April 8, 2025 • 49 mins
Meet Adam Carolla, radio personality, comedian, actor and podcaster. You probably know him from his podcast/talk show The Adam Carolla Show as well as his show Loveline with Dr. Drew. I hope you enJOY!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is me, Craig Ferguson. I'm inviting you to come
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on the road, My DearS. My name is Craig Ferguson.
The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to
interest in people about what brings them happiness. My guest
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today everyone is a gentleman who is outspoken. He knows
what he thinks, and he's not afraid to tell you
what he thinks. He's going to tell you right now.
He is the singular Corolla Enjoy all right. So we
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very briefly were talking about the right age to complain.
I feel like I'm sixty two. I'm going to be
sixty three very soon. And I think that's now I
can really start to complain. I can get people off
my lawn. I can say that young people are rooting
the world, and my hip harps and all three of
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those things are maybe true.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, But the problem is is we've now enacted as
sort of demographic for complaint, which is, if you're heterosexual,
male and you have money, and you're over six foot
and you're white, then who are you to complain? Which
is I feel like I don't want that taken away
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from me just because of the color of my skin
or just because of my bank account. I feel like
complaining is you know, maybe not uniquely American, but maybe
we've we've perfected the art of it. And I like
the notion of having all these things going for me
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and still complaining, Like I feel like it should give
hope to other people that even with all the privilege
and all the money and all the luxury, I still
can't complain.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, I think that it's not. First of all, I
take I take issue with the fact there's a uniquely
American skill.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
No, I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Now, I say, I think we've perfected it, but I don't.
It's not it's it's worldwide but we may have put
you know, like cinema. You know, everyone's got it, but
we just we just perfected it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, I see even then, I don't know, Adam. I mean,
what about the Italians. You're you're Italian people. The Italians
do some pretty good Let's be honest. It's just what
you're talking about is that you're aware of it because
you're in America. But if you were in Italy, you'd
be like, hey, what's the coming a go? I we
got some pretty good cinema.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, but I think this is a this is an
argument where you go, well, what about this great film?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
What about Fellini? Or what about this great film out
of Paris?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That all true, but but volume wise, I think I
think we're the heavyweight champion.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I think here's where the where the agreement is that
we in America have made a business of complaining that
cannot be matched for sheared size and money and uh
just the volume and scope of complaints. It makes everyone
else just look like specialists.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
All right, that's fair enough. So listen, I was looking
at uh, you know that thing when you have someone
on the show and you haven't told to them for
a while, so you google them. I don't know if
you still do that.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I did.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I googled you just before I come on, and I
and what I didn't know. And I've been aware of
you for a very long time. You and I have
bumped into each other on campus a few times over
the years. But I had no idea. And maybe this
is no true, maybe this is internet. You were a
boxer and a pretty good one too.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I was a trainer and a boxer, and a pretty
good one from a technician standpoint. But I wasn't ever
ranked or anything anything like that. I was just an
amateur guy. But I did. I did do it for
a lip. I did teach it as a as a
trainer for a living for a period of time.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Did you teach these Hollywood women with the mets? Did
you go like Beverly Hills housewives and just let them
head the mets and tell them how powerfully were Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well I what I did technically is I ran class
is for the Hollywood women and their you know, lawyer
husbands or producer husbands. And then I had some private
students where I ran the myths for them as well.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And I worked in.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
A place called Bodies in Motion, which had a couple
of locations around Los Angeles in the day, and I
worked at the one in Old Town Pasadena, which I
built actually because the guy told me, if I built
the place, then I built it out. It was already
a structure, you know, then I could teach there. So
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I wanted to teach there because I was a carpenter.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
That I think that's very booch that you're a carpenter
and a books. I've never in my whenever, I like,
I've never full but I did books and training to
stay in shape, probably like lawyers and Hollywood ladies, and
I've never been in the kind of shape them in
when I was spa in and heading the bag and
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running every day. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, it is. It's a it's a good workout. It's
kind of a sport mixed with the workout. And you
can you can. It's kind of nice about it is
you can skip rope for ten minutes and that's its
own thing. And then you could go shadow box in
front of the mirror for ten minutes and that's its
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own thing. And then you could hit the heavy bag
for ten minutes and that's its own thing, and then
you could spa for ten minutes and that's and you
could hit the focus paths, you know, so you can
kind of move around versus sit on a rowing machine
for an hour, yeah, or a treadmill for half an
hour or whatever. That's super repetitive part of working out,
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which gets really taxing. You can you know, when you're
skipping rope and you're being miserable, you go, oh, in
another four minutes, I'll be able to put the gloves
on and hit the heavy bag and that'll be better,
and you can keep going from station to station. Still
do that, well, My hands are so screwed up from
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so much boxing and so much carpentry that it's it's
really difficult. But what I do almost on a daily
basis is a shadow box, and shadow boxing is actually
probably better than hitting the heavy bag in terms of
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technique because you're forced to kind of work your technique.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Sometimes when people get.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
On a heavy bag that just kind of wail on it, yeah,
which isn't really technique. It's just kind of you getting
out aggression or trying to thump it as hard as
you can. I would I would say that most people
who wanted to get better at boxing. If they just
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really worked on skipping rope and really worked on shadow boxing,
they would get much better versus you know, sparring and
hitting the heavy bag.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well, I think it's too late for me now. I
think it's sixty two. I should just like maybe go
for a walk and have a coffee.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'll tell you one thing I discovered recently, you know,
semi recently about I'm with you going for a walk.
I got, I got a weighted vest I got. I
did that, dude, Oh you did that, dude. Yeah, And
it's amazing. You go for a walk, and especially if
there's an incline. Man, if there's a hill by your
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house or something, put that twenty five pound vest on
hike up the hill. It'll be a walk and a workout.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I was doing a show once, like a comedy show,
and I had to wear a fat suit, like a
really heavy fat suit for this like bet and the show.
And because of the way it was, I was wearing
the fat suit all day. And I thought this would
be a great like workout thing for somebody because not
only is it is it like really a lot to
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carry around, but when you take it off, the day.
It's like you're before and after picture. You get used
to yourself being really heavy. Then you just take it
off and so it motivates you and sweats the ship. Yeah,
that's what I think. The the weighted vest is a
bit like but maybe it should be dressed up a
little bit so you look more portly.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, maybe they'll make a weighted vest with stretch marks.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think. I think that might be the way to go.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
That's my idea in case anyone wants to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, I think that I own it now because it's
this is.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, well you suggested it.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I suggested it, so now I own it. So I'll
take it on Shark tank or something.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
How did you.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Get into doing boxing? Was it because you went You
went to school in Hollywood? Right? Was it tough? It
was that? What it was was it self defense.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
No, I went to school in North Holly, which is
like not Hollywood at all. It's just North Hollywood, you know,
it's kind of the valley like Yeah, yeah, No, I wasn't.
I was kind of the captain of the football team,
so I wasn't really picked on or anything. I was
picked on by my own jock friends and we picked
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on each other. But we didn't really get picked on
outside of our friendship.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
We just had I had very aggressive.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Friends who just did horrible things to me physically, but
but there were friends, you know. So No, it wasn't
out of a sense of self defense. It was more
like I did. I played football for a long time,
and then at some point I couldn't play football anymore,
and I wanted to do something that had some physicality
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to it, you know, a contact sport so to speak.
You know, because football it was a lot of fun,
hitting people and getting into it with people and just
the physicality of football. I liked it, but I couldn't
really play football at that level anymore. So boxing seemed
like a physical thing to do that was like sort
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of a contact sport.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
And that's kind of when I took it up.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Are you still the fun of it? Do you follow it?
Do you watch the fighters coming up?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And yeah, I watch it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I mean, a UFC is probably a little more exciting
than boxing, but I enjoy boxing as well.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And it's nice to see the UFC guys really coming
to their own in terms of technique with their hands,
because at the beginning they were kind of sloppy and
now they're getting pretty tight. And it just over the
last decade they've really cleaned up their form. You know,
in the in the hands world.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I've never really watched the UFC fight. Now I'm aware
of a biolays. I was always a bit of a
snob about it because I just liked the fight that.
You know, that box is all technique and to watch
guys who are so gifted and so fast that but
you know what, I should watch UFC a little bit.
It seems like it's a whole circus now as well.
It's huge. It's kind of like, did you get into
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it early on? Yeah, I mean I liked boxing. I
liked the combat sports. You know, I was working in
that world a little bit. I mean I was working,
you know, I was always training and then working as
a trainer and stuff. So I was always kind of
you know, in that world, if there is going to
be a fight, someone will invite you over.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Hey, we're going to watch the fight. You know.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's a kind of a it's a little fraternity of
you know, you work with guys that are trainers. You're
training guys who like boxing. A fight comes up, inevitably,
they say, I'm having people over come over Friday, we'll
watch the fight, you know, so you get sort of,
you know, kissed into it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Because that's who you're working with, you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
About in the world of sports radio and radio and
like podcast and I think of you as being one
of the real kind of oujis of this game, like
you kind of is one of the guys that started
the podcast world, weren't you.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I was one of the earlier podcasters. There were others,
but there were very few back then.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I kind of what I will.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Take credit for is not for podcasting, but for sort
of starting the business model of podcasting, of getting advertisers
and kind of formatting it in a way which isn't
really anything new. It's just the old radio format. But
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sort of taking podcasting and kind of turning it into
a business is something I'll take some credit for. And
also the live podcast. I started doing a live or
doing live podcasting fifteen years ago, more than fifteen years ago.
And now everyone does a live podcast. But when I
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did it, no one knew what it was. They didn't
the people in the audience didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It's such an odd thing because it's kind of the
dominant strain of of for people like you and I
do know, isn't it. It's kind of like it used
to be, kind of like a sight hustle, and no,
it's it's the main thing I can't imagine. I mean,
this podcast is you know I do with iHeartRadio, but
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I can't see me, you know, doing that forever. It
doesn't seeven make any sense. You could just put it
up on YouTube and you're done.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, you know YouTube.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And the visual component of podcasting is turned into something
that wasn't anything when I start. Nobody really needed to
see you podcasts. They just need to hear you podcasts.
I still am a little confused as to why they
need to see you podcast but for some reason it's
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turned into a large aspect of podcasting, which to me
I'm a little sad about because I really like the
notion of speaking and you putting earbuds in and going
for a hike and just listening to what I'm saying
versus you know, sitting on your phone waiting at an
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airport watching what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, I think also as well, because it is the
funes that do it. I think that it's it's weirdly
less intimate, because I always thought like radio is really
kind of an intimate thing as a listener. It really
feels like, you know, you're you're much more involved in
it somehow, which is weird because you've not seeing it.
And then the other thing is I think now, is
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that and I know this has happened to you that, uh,
there's such a hunger in the in the zeitgeis that
in the media for any kind of controversy or clickbait
or or something that will spike somebody else's a little
little headline that they'll take a tiny piece of what
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you're saying and make it sound different to what you
were actually saying in order to create a problem. And
I think it. Do you think it's kind of you're
kind of more of a setting duck than you used
to be. Does that bother you at all?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It doesn't bother me. But I have a unique gene
of not being that concerned about what people say about
me or think about me, even as long as I
feel like I know what I feel about me. I
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don't mean some bullshit about in my heart. I just
mean like, there are things I will say that are
that are deeply unpopular and get the ire of a
lot of people. But if if it's the truth, then
it's the truth, you know. So I look at myself
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as a doctor and I'm just telling you you have
cancer and you don't want to hear that, and I've
ruined your day and now you're weeping, and maybe you're
angry at me. And my feeling is is I am
sorry to present you with this information, but that's my
job and that's my field of expertise and you should
know about it. And now at some point you're angry
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at me, and I don't know what I I don't
have anything to do with that. I'm just presenting you
with what happens to be the truth. And I've I've
done it, you know, on the air, and I've done it.
I've had it happen socially as well, where you know,
I had a whole table of friends turn on me
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while eating brunch, about ten people because I just told
them the truth about a certain topic, a subject we're
talking about, and they all started, you know, yelling at me,
and they got they got angry at me, and I
just told them, look, I'm sorry if you guys can't
handle whatever this thing is that I happen to know about.
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But I'm just telling you and that's your business, and
yes I will be. I will ruin this brunch and
I will be the least popular person at this table,
but that's not going to prevent me from telling you
the truth and what I know about it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
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Just click it and play it and it's free.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I can't look.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm not going to come round your husband and show
you how to do it. If you can't do it,
then you can't have it. But if you can figure
it out, it's yours. Do you ever get angry if
someone tells you something and you profoundly disagree with it?
Does that ever make you meant? I?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, I mean there's for me. It's a kind of
a yes. I'll answer that.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
When Governor Gavin Newsom was sitting in here years ago,
over a decade ago, and I was telling him that
homeless people were basically drug addicts and or people with
huge psychological disorders or both, and that's who was sleeping
on the street, and that's what we need to focus on.
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And he told me the real picture of homelessness was
a mother who was divorced, who had a full time job,
who's got kicked out of her house because she got
divorced or something, and had two kids and worked full
time minimum wage.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I said, that's that's not it at all.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It's what I'm talking about, and then I got angry
at him because he's made the problem worse by not
listening to what the truth was about homeless So, yes,
I will get angry at these people because they're exacerbating
problems and they're actually they're making the problems worse, you know,
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So yeah, I guess I'll be that way. I've always
been pragmatic and just told people, here's what you need
to do, and but you know a sort of micro macro,
like I used to be a carpenter and I went
to my mom's very tiny house years and years ago,
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and she said she was going to remodel the bathroom,
and I said, uh, all right, and I went and
kind of looked at the space, and I said, you
need to make sure you frame in a pocket door,
sliding pocket door here when you're framing this out, because
if you open the door, it's just going to cut
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off the hallway, and if the door swings in, it's
just going to hit the sink that's on the inside
the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
So make sure you get a pocket door.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
She said, all right, And then I came back like
six months later, and I looked at it and she
didn't have a pocket door. And I opened the door
and it opened and smacked my stepdad in the ass,
who was standing at the sink. And I just thought, Okay,
why didn't you listen to me? Why didn't you do
what I told you to do? By the way, not
for me, for you, this would have been so much better.
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But most people don't. Most people don't. But here's what I.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Think that the head lane of that particular morality tailors do.
You didn't see your mom for six months, there's your problem.
If you had been there as the construction work was
going on, you could have said, way, wait, we have
to put a polka door in but because you neglected
your mother for six months, so really you're to blame.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You know what, I got to find a mirror to
be fair, could have been three months. And also I
could have met her for brunch two times in that
that hero play that showed up at her house.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Brunch is a meal that comes up for you quite
a lot, which is interesting because I think of you
as a very kind of butch, straight down the lang guy,
and brunch, let's be honest, is America's only openly gay meal.
So I find that it's it's an interesting mix for you.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I don't subscribe to that statement that you just made
about openly gay brunch. And I'll tell you why. You're
old enough to remember a book, a very popular best seller,
uh from the seventies called men Don't Eat Keishe?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
There?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah that real men, Real men don't eat keishe? I
will file that under brunch, which is hell Yeah, I
eat keish. It's eggs, it's ham, it's in a pastry shell.
It's delightful. What does that mean? Real men don't eat keishe?
You know what I'm saying. It's there's bacon, cheese, eggs,
and it's in a pis shell what I love a pie.
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I love bacon, I love cheese, and I love eggs.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So we're even come off with real men don't.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Eat keiche I love. I would eat keishe during brunch happily.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Wait, so so you eat keys at lunchtime brunch, I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
We eat keiche I would eat the I would eat
the food that real men don't eat at the only
openly gay meal of the day.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Did you just come out to me?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Is that what happen? Not intentionally, but yeah, practically.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Under nineteen seventies rules, you just that's what you just
It's funny because it really is is an odd thing
because I mean, I don't want to kind of bang
on about cancel culture and the way things have.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Changed a lot, because I feel like, you know, I
feel like I talked about it too much. But it
does seem interesting to me that you and I will
laugh at hardships. So not just you and I, people
will laugh at a hardships and stuff that offends me.
I find it quite funny stuff that offends me. I
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kind of seek out comedy that offends me. But that's
very that's kind of very different. Now it's a different taste.
I think, well, I gotta wonder.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I think there's I think it depends how you feel
about yourself in that. I feel secure about myself in that.
I think there's a couple of things going on. And
it was weird. So I think it was yesterday somebody
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wrote me a tweet and all paraphrase, but it said, like,
when did you become some sort of diarrhea tampon that
just absorbs all the diarrhea around you and sucking up
to your billionaire friends who make fun of you behind
your back?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
When did you become this? And I just wrote two
thousand and nine? But it was funny to me.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It was funny to me, And then I thought to myself,
this guy just wrote the most vile thing he could
think of he could summon about me, and I thought
it was funny. Now why did I think it was funny.
I'm not saying, oh, I'm so secure, nothing affects me.
I'm just saying I found it amusing, and so I wrote,
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I just wrote back, two thousand and nine is when
I began becoming that diarrhea absorbing diarrhea, right, And so
I wasn't bothered by it at all I kind of
I kind of like it, and people will say to
me things, so you won't do this, or you're that,
or you just you know, you're only famous because you've
sucked off Jimmy Kimmel or whatever. But I know what
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I did, I understand what I do. Or some retis
people go, you know, you're the least funny person on
the planet. I'm like, have you met my stepdad John,
I can't be the least you know, so I mean second,
top five maybe unfunniest people in planet. So it doesn't
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really work. But then I also realize a lot of
this I think is born of some sort of insecurity.
And I'm not a boastful person, but I'm I'm horribly secure.
I am very secure. But it's only because I have
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a sort of track record of achievement and I do
a lot of things, and I achieve in many different
departments of life, and I understand it. It's like, I
really think part of what we're missing is a skill set.
I really do believe the base of my sanity is
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having a trade like being a carpenter actually physically tangibly
knowing how to build a house. There's something about that
that gives you a security, like a base, like I
totally understand a skill, you have a field of expertise.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I think that's totally right. I mean I don't have that,
and I kind of wish I did, but I but
I understand it from a point of view is I'll
tell you something I did very similar that when I
started in Late Night in two thousand and five. That
because of it, because I had I had to sign
a very punitive deal with CBS and and so I
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wasn't allowed to do anything at all on television unless
I got their permission. So they kind of owned me
for everything, like can do a movie, can do a
radio show, can do a commercial, can do anything unless
I got their permission to do it. The only one
thing they allowed me to do was live stand up.
Live stand up. They weren't interested in and it didn't
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bother them, and I could go and do that. And
I had done that, you know, as a kid, and
I had done that start now, so that was the
closest thing I had to a trade. And as time
went on in Late Night, I always stayed going and
doing stand up because I felt like it was the
thing I could fall back on. You know the way
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you're describing having a trade that it was my autonomy
if you like it, you know what I mean. It's like,
if everything does, I can do this.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
A trade isn't necessarily plumber or carpenter. You know, stand
up is a trade. Being a pilot is a trade.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Being a certified accountant is a trade. You know, there's
you know, I'm saying, a field of expertise, yes, which
could be I think could be sculptor really.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, it's you know, I think that's a very difficult game.
Aaron eleven on this, I'll just sculpt a couple of
things to the end of the month and maybe a little.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
No, I'm not talking about a financial I'm not approaching
it from a financial Oh askact. I'm saying there are
a lot of people that are certified pilots, right, but
they don't get paid as a professional airline pilot. They
fly private planes on the weekends or whatever. But they're pilots.
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They can operate a helicopter or something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I'm one of them.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I can fly an airplane. Oh you can't, Okay, Yeah,
I have a license. Yep.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
That's a field of expertise that you have that other
people don't have, and it gives you a kind of
a base, you know, Like I'm calling it a confidence,
for lack of a better term, but it's sort of steady.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Understand.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I don't know, speaking a second language, playing the stand
up base, you know what I mean, just things you
can do.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And I think the.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
More that you have, the more secure you are, because
if you think about the people that are sort of
melting down at town hall meetings and screaming as loud
as they can and sort of going out of their mind,
you couldn't imagine them having a pilot's license, could you.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And you couldn't.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Imagine them being a skilled electrician like a journeyman electrician
or something like you really can't or sitting down at
the piano and playing chopine, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I mean like having.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
These base sort of skills I do think is a
foundation for sanity.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I think you're absolutely right, And you know what, it's
kind of it occurs to me as you say, run
about twenty sixteen and the election cycle in twenty sixteen,
I made a decision that I was never again in
stand up going to discuss any politics. I'm not going
to do any politics at.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
All, none, And.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
It was an experiment, first of all to see if
I could do it, and then secondly to give myself
a break. And I think what it does is that
it allows you to go into a thought process that
is not part of the noise that's going all the time.
And I think what you're describing is right, Like if
you're flying an airplane or building a house, or applying
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yourself to the area of expertise you're talking about, you know,
thinking about all the things that make you mind, you're
concentrating on something else. And I think I think that
that's what it is. I think you're I think you're right.
It's it's an odd thing too. Do you think that's
what the noise is? That you know, the kind of
hyperbolic nature of everybody talking to each other on social
(32:24):
media and everyone getting you know, on fire with everything
all the time, is because that's all they think about.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, oh, absolutely absolutely know that. When you are well,
I mean it's it's tied to this sort of lack
of physical.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Existence that we've gone into.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That you used to work on a farm and you
used to chop wood, you'd be in a logging camp
you know, you just have to get up and go
do something thing physical men and women. You know, women
would go milk the cow, collect the eggs, you know,
start the fire and you know, cook the whatever like whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
They did everything.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Everyone sort of had a task, you know, and people
were you know, that's how they got paid. And then
at some point everyone moved indoors and start getting in
the cubicles and lots of air conditioning, and they start
staring at the computer screen and they become very sedentary.
And while they did a task, the task was sort
(33:33):
of endless and never had a beginning, a middle, and
an end.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
It's this kind of data entry, you know, just the
next piece of data to enter. You know, when you
build a when you build a barn, at some point
you step back and you look at that barn and
you think to yourself, I built that barn, and it's
done now, and then you move on. But we removed
that from about ninety percent of the populace, and people's
(34:03):
minds started turning on themselves.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
They don't really do that.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I worked with blue collar guys always and they never
They just think in a pragmatic way.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
And also.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
They don't have any issues with things, like they don't
have dietary restrictions. I would just go I'm going on
a lunch run, and they'd go, all right, boss, And
then I wouldn't even tell them where I was going,
you know, and I would just come back with, you know,
ten hamburgers and ten fries or ten burritos and ten tacos,
(34:39):
you know, or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
None of them had any.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Issues with gluten or allergies or something upset their stomach,
or there was nothing.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
They just just ate whatever it ate.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And then you just got back up and you went
to work, and no one said a word, and there
were no rules, and there's no restrictions.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I think, and I think there's also the idea that
everyone wants to appear smart and and if if you're indignant,
it can make you feel like you're smart. I always
thought that about comedy comes in for that, even if
you just look at the way comedy is treated like
it's a very rare thing for a comedy, a comedy
(35:19):
thing that when an oscar or a golden globe or
any of that, because because comedy, it's not kind of
the thought is done by the person who's performing it.
But not necessarily the perfon that's absorbing it. And I
think that you know, if you make people laugh, they
don't feel clever. But if you make them think, you know,
(35:42):
if you kind of like massage them or make them
kind of being angry as well. You know, anger is
I think, or being indignant or being outraged feels like
I'm clever. I notice things that other people don't know,
so therefore I'm better. And to kind of boost your
confidence because you don't have your carpentry or pilot's license
or whatever the hell, has something else to kind of
(36:05):
bolster you. So the indignance is the kind of the
airst's skill, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, I it's also I think there's a lot of
virtue signaling too, which is they care more than you care.
You don't, right, okay, going with the indigenous people or
the climate or whatever's going on, and they care, you know.
So Trump is an existential threat and he's going to
(36:34):
attack democracy and they're going to fight Trump, whereas you're going.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
To sit back and watch SportsCenter.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
So if you sort of went back historically and you want,
you know, Hitler was rising to power and one group
of people were going to fight Hitler and the other
group were going to a pub to have a beer.
You'd go, well, who was the more noble person, And
that's equation. You need to go, well, a person who
obviously was going to go fight Hitler. That's that's who
(37:04):
the real hero would have been in this equation. So
I think there's some of that because they announce here's
what's going on. You know, there's an existential threat against
humanity and it's known as climate change, and they're going
to fight it, you know, or whatever it is, that
whatever the subject is, they're going to fight about it,
(37:25):
and sort of de facto, if you're not fighting about
it or fighting for it, then you're sort of complicit
in this thing. Whether it's climate or Hitler or whatever,
whatever the subject is. You're sort of on the side
of the evil or or the Big Company or Monsanto
or Trump or Hitler or whatever it is, and so
(37:48):
you're sort of de facto for it and they are
against it, which makes them the hero in this equation.
But the problem with this equation is I haven't signed
off on the premise, you know what I'm saying, I
if I, if I do think this person is Hitler,
(38:09):
then I'm going to help you fight against them. But
that's where the that's where the rift is, I think,
which is what they're doing versus what what I'm doing.
Like Newsom declared that it was the noble mother of
iie that was homeless, and he's going to do something
about it.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
But I think it's junkies.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
So he is more noble than I if that's what
he's going to go do something about. But my problem
is is that I know that's not what the problem is,
and he's not going to fix anything, and thus he
hasn't because he hasn't identified the problem.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
So that's where the chasm is.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
You have a toy of the idea of going into
politics yourself, get into a proper no.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I mean, my problem is is I have a lot
of pragmatic ideas and I'll give you. I'll give you
for instance, and this part of the politics I would do.
Like I was at a party at Mark Geragus, the
attorney's house, who knows a lot of politicians and judges
and those kind of people. And I think Mark introduced
(39:24):
me to some guy who said he was, you know,
a district selectman or something in this area, and I
said to him, you know where I work on the
street behind me, there's lots of people dumping garbage, dumping
construction materials, busted out stucco and drywalls, stuff like that.
(39:49):
He said, yeah, I know, I know that's a problem.
We have to go in there and clean it up
all the time. It's people dump it back there. I said, yeah,
do you know why they dump it? He said not
really no. I said, well, the dump cost one hundred
and eighty bucks. That's why they dump it there. And
he goes yeah, okay, And I go, who's doing the dumping?
(40:14):
He goes, eh, I don't really know. I said, poor
Mexicans who do all the construction work out here. They're
going to pay one hundred and eighty bucks to go
to dispose of it the right way because they're on
a real tight budget. And they can come here for
free on a Sunday night and just dump it in
two minutes and leave. He goes, oh, yeah, yeah, because
(40:35):
you know, these are poor Mexicans who do all the
construction work out here. So I go, there's a home
depot literally up the street.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
He goes, yeah. I go, why don't you have a
guy handing out.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Leaflets in English and in Spanish that say you can
dump for free at the dump that's you know down
the street.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
This is a coupon you don't have.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
They're not going to charge you one hundred and eighty
bucks and when you go over there to dump it,
they'll give you a twelve pack at Takati. And he goes, yeah,
that's that's a good idea. That's a good idea. And
then about a half hour later at the party, the
guy circled back to me and he said, what was
(41:21):
that idea you had again about the dumping? And I said,
oh man, this is why we're at where we're at.
Just let's figure out what's motivating people and let's fix it.
You don't have to judge, you just fix it. Who
is doing the dumping construction guys, how do we know
it's all stucco and drywall and bust it out, demo
(41:43):
out stuff. Who's doing it? The super poor guys should
do the demo work. They do the hauling, you know,
the haul garbage. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Good?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
How much is the dump? It's too expensive for these
guys because they give a bid. The bid is like,
I'll do it all for a thousand bucks. All right,
they want to peel off two hundred more bucks out
of that and hand it to the city.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Why isn't it dump free?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Make it free if you don't want them to dump
everything on the side of mulhalland then make the dump free.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
How do we get the word out?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Go to the home depot and have it on a
sign in Spanish, hand out flyers at the home depot.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
That's where they shop.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
It's very hard to argue with that as a solution
because I'm trying to find some way to kind of
be responsible and kind of say, but wait a minute,
but I kind of can you know, it's like it?
It does make sense. I think the thing with government
and why probably you don't go into it is you
describe it. It's just the frustration of getting anything done
(42:46):
because it's not really what they I don't know that
they fucking care about getting anything.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Now their process In certain places they do, but in
Los Angeles they're all just process people. They want to
have a meeting. We would have a meeting about this point.
I'd be called culturally insensitive. At some point it would
be explained to me why it's not gonna work, we
take a vote, I would lose the vote, and then
I would get angry, and then I'd yell, all right,
(43:11):
fuck you clean up your garbage in the street for
the rest of your life.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
I don't give a fuck, and then I would.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Leave that it seems a place any to to let
it go. I think you're right. I think it's just
it's a long job. I don't under I don't know
how anyone could go into politics. I just don't fucking
know what anyone could do it.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well, you could, I'll tell you what you could do.
And I've been because I've been really drilling down on
this a lot lately, and I talked to doctor Drew
about it a lot. There are people who want to
do things and then they're process people. And I know
it because my mom was a process person, my dad
(43:53):
was a process person. They wanted to sit and talk
about things, but they never really wanted to get up
and go make a run and buy materials and start
the project. They wanted to discuss the project, you know
what I'm saying. And there's a lot of people that
all process people, probably percentage wise more women than men,
(44:15):
but there's plenty of men that are processed people as well.
And so if you inhabit the La City Council or
whatever the city council is, if you fill it with process.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
People, then you're gonna get a lot. And we're gonna
need to.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Do a report on and we have a we have
a committee that's going to discuss this and we're gonna
make Meanwhile, five years goes by and we have twice
as many homeless as we had when you started the
first meeting, and nothing ever really happens, but it's a
long discussion about it. Those are processed people, and they
(44:53):
get attracted to politics. Now there are nonprocessed people. Like
we had a mayoral race a few years ago. We
had Rick Caruso. He's a commercial builder. So commercial builders
are like, hurry, what's going on? Hurry, hurry, hurry. You know,
like when Trump spoke to Karen Bass, he was like,
(45:14):
let's go clean up those fires. Now, people need to
do it themselves. They want to start tonight.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Tonight.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
He's yelling and she's going whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down,
safety safety. So that's a commercial builder talking to a
process person. So we elected a process person, not a
commercial builder who's like all the commercial builder goes, is,
(45:40):
we aren't the foundation guys done informing's done. Where's the concrete.
Where's the concrete guys? We got to start framing. We
got to get to pour in before we start framing.
It's everything is hurry, hurry, what's next. But we we
like process people here where we sit and have a
discussion about things.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
And my mom would have liked it that way. She
liked the.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Process and the processes people are good because they give
very soothing speeches and discussions. But the problem is is
at some point you got to fix the potholes and
fill the reservoirs and that kind of stuff. And that's
not the work of a process person. That's the work
of the commercial builder person. And then so what happens
(46:29):
is is the commercial builder person becomes an annoyance to
the process person because because they come in and they go,
what's going on? And here, come on, let's go, let's go,
and the process perd goes slow down, slow down, we
want to keep it safe. Now, the process person doesn't
say I'm a process person, I'm never going to do anything.
(46:49):
They go, I want to get it done as bad
as you do. But we got to take our time,
do this safely. We've got to make sure get the
right permits, do the testing, check the soil, slow it down.
And then five years goes by and nothing's happened. And
that's kind of la is kind of a process person thing.
(47:13):
That's that's what we do. We talk about things, but
we don't really do that that much.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
You know. It's the truth. It's like it's in show business.
It's in the television business, is in the movie business.
It's a it's a lot of even when they do
do something, they want to check before they pull the
trigger on what they've done. You have to get a
focus group on a movie you've already made. You have
to say.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
They have so many meetings, I know, and it never
comes out the other end, and they always it's funny.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
They always go, could we just get together?
Speaker 2 (47:46):
And I go, I already told you whatever this or that,
it's we're done, you know, yeah, but we want to
get together one more time.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
It's always funny they'll do. They'll even do stuff, you know,
from shooting stuff. We're all gonna meet in the lobby
at six thirty in the morning and the van is
picking us up at seven and I go, well, why
don't I just be down there at seven? Well, we
all want to get down the lobby at six thirty
(48:15):
and make sure we're all there.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
I'll go. When's the van showing up? Seven?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
All right, I'll be down at seven. We're meeting at
six thirty. Okay, I don't know what you're doing. I'll
be there at seven. We're getting into the van, right, yeah,
where's the van ting? The van's taking us to the set. Okay,
So i'll be down at seven. I won't be down
at six. We're all meeting at six thirty.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
You guys get done there at six thirty. Get me
a kiche that my keiche be hoo, and I'll eat
it in the van on.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
The way to the zet Ana Mimosa.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
All Right, we gotta go because we'll be completed about
people talking too much and I've been talking too much.
But it's lovely to catch up with you again, Adam.
You're always a breath of fresh air. Continue success in.
It's good to check in with you. Let's do it
again soon.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I hope. So my friend, take care, Thanks buddy, Thanks
ding you too.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
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He is the singular Corolla Enjoy all right. So we
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very briefly were talking about the right age to complain.
I feel like I'm sixty two. I'm going to be
sixty three very soon. And I think that's now I
can really start to complain. I can get people off
my lawn. I can say that young people are rooting
the world, and my hip harps and all three of
(01:32):
those things are maybe true.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, But the problem is is we've now enacted as
sort of demographic for complaint, which is, if you're heterosexual,
male and you have money, and you're over six foot
and you're white, then who are you to complain? Which
is I feel like I don't want that taken away
(01:56):
from me just because of the color of my skin
or just because of my bank account. I feel like
complaining is you know, maybe not uniquely American, but maybe
we've we've perfected the art of it. And I like
the notion of having all these things going for me
(02:17):
and still complaining, Like I feel like it should give
hope to other people that even with all the privilege
and all the money and all the luxury, I still
can't complain.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, I think that it's not. First of all, I
take I take issue with the fact there's a uniquely
American skill.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
No, I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Now, I say, I think we've perfected it, but I don't.
It's not it's it's worldwide but we may have put
you know, like cinema. You know, everyone's got it, but
we just we just perfected it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, I see even then, I don't know, Adam. I mean,
what about the Italians. You're you're Italian people. The Italians
do some pretty good Let's be honest. It's just what
you're talking about is that you're aware of it because
you're in America. But if you were in Italy, you'd
be like, hey, what's the coming a go? I we
got some pretty good cinema.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, but I think this is a this is an
argument where you go, well, what about this great film?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
What about Fellini? Or what about this great film out
of Paris?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That all true, but but volume wise, I think I
think we're the heavyweight champion.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I think here's where the where the agreement is that
we in America have made a business of complaining that
cannot be matched for sheared size and money and uh
just the volume and scope of complaints. It makes everyone
else just look like specialists.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
All right, that's fair enough. So listen, I was looking
at uh, you know that thing when you have someone
on the show and you haven't told to them for
a while, so you google them. I don't know if
you still do that.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I did.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I googled you just before I come on, and I
and what I didn't know. And I've been aware of
you for a very long time. You and I have
bumped into each other on campus a few times over
the years. But I had no idea. And maybe this
is no true, maybe this is internet. You were a
boxer and a pretty good one too.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I was a trainer and a boxer, and a pretty
good one from a technician standpoint. But I wasn't ever
ranked or anything anything like that. I was just an
amateur guy. But I did. I did do it for
a lip. I did teach it as a as a
trainer for a living for a period of time.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Did you teach these Hollywood women with the mets? Did
you go like Beverly Hills housewives and just let them
head the mets and tell them how powerfully were Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well I what I did technically is I ran class
is for the Hollywood women and their you know, lawyer
husbands or producer husbands. And then I had some private
students where I ran the myths for them as well.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And I worked in.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
A place called Bodies in Motion, which had a couple
of locations around Los Angeles in the day, and I
worked at the one in Old Town Pasadena, which I
built actually because the guy told me, if I built
the place, then I built it out. It was already
a structure, you know, then I could teach there. So
(05:37):
I wanted to teach there because I was a carpenter.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
That I think that's very booch that you're a carpenter
and a books. I've never in my whenever, I like,
I've never full but I did books and training to
stay in shape, probably like lawyers and Hollywood ladies, and
I've never been in the kind of shape them in
when I was spa in and heading the bag and
(06:01):
running every day. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, it is. It's a it's a good workout. It's
kind of a sport mixed with the workout. And you
can you can. It's kind of nice about it is
you can skip rope for ten minutes and that's its
own thing. And then you could go shadow box in
front of the mirror for ten minutes and that's its
(06:24):
own thing. And then you could hit the heavy bag
for ten minutes and that's its own thing, and then
you could spa for ten minutes and that's and you
could hit the focus paths, you know, so you can
kind of move around versus sit on a rowing machine
for an hour, yeah, or a treadmill for half an
hour or whatever. That's super repetitive part of working out,
(06:45):
which gets really taxing. You can you know, when you're
skipping rope and you're being miserable, you go, oh, in
another four minutes, I'll be able to put the gloves
on and hit the heavy bag and that'll be better,
and you can keep going from station to station. Still
do that, well, My hands are so screwed up from
(07:05):
so much boxing and so much carpentry that it's it's
really difficult. But what I do almost on a daily
basis is a shadow box, and shadow boxing is actually
probably better than hitting the heavy bag in terms of
(07:26):
technique because you're forced to kind of work your technique.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Sometimes when people get.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
On a heavy bag that just kind of wail on it, yeah,
which isn't really technique. It's just kind of you getting
out aggression or trying to thump it as hard as
you can. I would I would say that most people
who wanted to get better at boxing. If they just
(07:54):
really worked on skipping rope and really worked on shadow boxing,
they would get much better versus you know, sparring and
hitting the heavy bag.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well, I think it's too late for me now. I
think it's sixty two. I should just like maybe go
for a walk and have a coffee.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'll tell you one thing I discovered recently, you know,
semi recently about I'm with you going for a walk.
I got, I got a weighted vest I got. I
did that, dude, Oh you did that, dude. Yeah, And
it's amazing. You go for a walk, and especially if
there's an incline. Man, if there's a hill by your
(08:33):
house or something, put that twenty five pound vest on
hike up the hill. It'll be a walk and a workout.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I was doing a show once, like a comedy show,
and I had to wear a fat suit, like a
really heavy fat suit for this like bet and the show.
And because of the way it was, I was wearing
the fat suit all day. And I thought this would
be a great like workout thing for somebody because not
only is it is it like really a lot to
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carry around, but when you take it off, the day.
It's like you're before and after picture. You get used
to yourself being really heavy. Then you just take it
off and so it motivates you and sweats the ship. Yeah,
that's what I think. The the weighted vest is a
bit like but maybe it should be dressed up a
little bit so you look more portly.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, maybe they'll make a weighted vest with stretch marks.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think. I think that might be the way to go.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
That's my idea in case anyone wants to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, I think that I own it now because it's
this is.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, well you suggested it.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I suggested it, so now I own it. So I'll
take it on Shark tank or something.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
How did you.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Get into doing boxing? Was it because you went You
went to school in Hollywood? Right? Was it tough? It
was that? What it was was it self defense.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
No, I went to school in North Holly, which is
like not Hollywood at all. It's just North Hollywood, you know,
it's kind of the valley like Yeah, yeah, No, I wasn't.
I was kind of the captain of the football team,
so I wasn't really picked on or anything. I was
picked on by my own jock friends and we picked
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on each other. But we didn't really get picked on
outside of our friendship.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
We just had I had very aggressive.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Friends who just did horrible things to me physically, but
but there were friends, you know. So No, it wasn't
out of a sense of self defense. It was more
like I did. I played football for a long time,
and then at some point I couldn't play football anymore,
and I wanted to do something that had some physicality
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to it, you know, a contact sport so to speak.
You know, because football it was a lot of fun,
hitting people and getting into it with people and just
the physicality of football. I liked it, but I couldn't
really play football at that level anymore. So boxing seemed
like a physical thing to do that was like sort
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of a contact sport.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
And that's kind of when I took it up.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Are you still the fun of it? Do you follow it?
Do you watch the fighters coming up?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And yeah, I watch it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I mean, a UFC is probably a little more exciting
than boxing, but I enjoy boxing as well.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And it's nice to see the UFC guys really coming
to their own in terms of technique with their hands,
because at the beginning they were kind of sloppy and
now they're getting pretty tight. And it just over the
last decade they've really cleaned up their form. You know,
in the in the hands world.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I've never really watched the UFC fight. Now I'm aware
of a biolays. I was always a bit of a
snob about it because I just liked the fight that.
You know, that box is all technique and to watch
guys who are so gifted and so fast that but
you know what, I should watch UFC a little bit.
It seems like it's a whole circus now as well.
It's huge. It's kind of like, did you get into
(12:13):
it early on? Yeah, I mean I liked boxing. I
liked the combat sports. You know, I was working in
that world a little bit. I mean I was working,
you know, I was always training and then working as
a trainer and stuff. So I was always kind of
you know, in that world, if there is going to
be a fight, someone will invite you over.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Hey, we're going to watch the fight. You know.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's a kind of a it's a little fraternity of
you know, you work with guys that are trainers. You're
training guys who like boxing. A fight comes up, inevitably,
they say, I'm having people over come over Friday, we'll
watch the fight, you know, so you get sort of,
you know, kissed into it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Because that's who you're working with, you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
About in the world of sports radio and radio and
like podcast and I think of you as being one
of the real kind of oujis of this game, like
you kind of is one of the guys that started
the podcast world, weren't you.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I was one of the earlier podcasters. There were others,
but there were very few back then.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I kind of what I will.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Take credit for is not for podcasting, but for sort
of starting the business model of podcasting, of getting advertisers
and kind of formatting it in a way which isn't
really anything new. It's just the old radio format. But
(13:52):
sort of taking podcasting and kind of turning it into
a business is something I'll take some credit for. And
also the live podcast. I started doing a live or
doing live podcasting fifteen years ago, more than fifteen years ago.
And now everyone does a live podcast. But when I
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did it, no one knew what it was. They didn't
the people in the audience didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It's such an odd thing because it's kind of the
dominant strain of of for people like you and I
do know, isn't it. It's kind of like it used
to be, kind of like a sight hustle, and no,
it's it's the main thing I can't imagine. I mean,
this podcast is you know I do with iHeartRadio, but
(14:42):
I can't see me, you know, doing that forever. It
doesn't seeven make any sense. You could just put it
up on YouTube and you're done.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, you know YouTube.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And the visual component of podcasting is turned into something
that wasn't anything when I start. Nobody really needed to
see you podcasts. They just need to hear you podcasts.
I still am a little confused as to why they
need to see you podcast but for some reason it's
(15:13):
turned into a large aspect of podcasting, which to me
I'm a little sad about because I really like the
notion of speaking and you putting earbuds in and going
for a hike and just listening to what I'm saying
versus you know, sitting on your phone waiting at an
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airport watching what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, I think also as well, because it is the
funes that do it. I think that it's it's weirdly
less intimate, because I always thought like radio is really
kind of an intimate thing as a listener. It really
feels like, you know, you're you're much more involved in
it somehow, which is weird because you've not seeing it.
And then the other thing is I think now, is
(16:00):
that and I know this has happened to you that, uh,
there's such a hunger in the in the zeitgeis that
in the media for any kind of controversy or clickbait
or or something that will spike somebody else's a little
little headline that they'll take a tiny piece of what
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you're saying and make it sound different to what you
were actually saying in order to create a problem. And
I think it. Do you think it's kind of you're
kind of more of a setting duck than you used
to be. Does that bother you at all?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It doesn't bother me. But I have a unique gene
of not being that concerned about what people say about
me or think about me, even as long as I
feel like I know what I feel about me. I
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don't mean some bullshit about in my heart. I just
mean like, there are things I will say that are
that are deeply unpopular and get the ire of a
lot of people. But if if it's the truth, then
it's the truth, you know. So I look at myself
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as a doctor and I'm just telling you you have
cancer and you don't want to hear that, and I've
ruined your day and now you're weeping, and maybe you're
angry at me. And my feeling is is I am
sorry to present you with this information, but that's my
job and that's my field of expertise and you should
know about it. And now at some point you're angry
(17:42):
at me, and I don't know what I I don't
have anything to do with that. I'm just presenting you
with what happens to be the truth. And I've I've
done it, you know, on the air, and I've done it.
I've had it happen socially as well, where you know,
I had a whole table of friends turn on me
(18:05):
while eating brunch, about ten people because I just told
them the truth about a certain topic, a subject we're
talking about, and they all started, you know, yelling at me,
and they got they got angry at me, and I
just told them, look, I'm sorry if you guys can't
handle whatever this thing is that I happen to know about.
(18:26):
But I'm just telling you and that's your business, and
yes I will be. I will ruin this brunch and
I will be the least popular person at this table,
but that's not going to prevent me from telling you
the truth and what I know about it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Hello, this is Greig Ferguson, and I want to let
you know I have a brand new stand up company, Spatial,
out now on YouTube. It's called I'm So Happy, and
I would be so happy if you checked it out
to what's just basically just go to my YouTube channel
at the Greig Vergison Show and is this right there?
Just click it and play it and it's free.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I can't look.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm not going to come round your husband and show
you how to do it. If you can't do it,
then you can't have it. But if you can figure
it out, it's yours. Do you ever get angry if
someone tells you something and you profoundly disagree with it?
Does that ever make you meant? I?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, I mean there's for me. It's a kind of
a yes. I'll answer that.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
When Governor Gavin Newsom was sitting in here years ago,
over a decade ago, and I was telling him that
homeless people were basically drug addicts and or people with
huge psychological disorders or both, and that's who was sleeping
on the street, and that's what we need to focus on.
(19:59):
And he told me the real picture of homelessness was
a mother who was divorced, who had a full time job,
who's got kicked out of her house because she got
divorced or something, and had two kids and worked full
time minimum wage.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I said, that's that's not it at all.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It's what I'm talking about, and then I got angry
at him because he's made the problem worse by not
listening to what the truth was about homeless So, yes,
I will get angry at these people because they're exacerbating
problems and they're actually they're making the problems worse, you know,
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So yeah, I guess I'll be that way. I've always
been pragmatic and just told people, here's what you need
to do, and but you know a sort of micro macro,
like I used to be a carpenter and I went
to my mom's very tiny house years and years ago,
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and she said she was going to remodel the bathroom,
and I said, uh, all right, and I went and
kind of looked at the space, and I said, you
need to make sure you frame in a pocket door,
sliding pocket door here when you're framing this out, because
if you open the door, it's just going to cut
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off the hallway, and if the door swings in, it's
just going to hit the sink that's on the inside
the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
So make sure you get a pocket door.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
She said, all right, And then I came back like
six months later, and I looked at it and she
didn't have a pocket door. And I opened the door
and it opened and smacked my stepdad in the ass,
who was standing at the sink. And I just thought, Okay,
why didn't you listen to me? Why didn't you do
what I told you to do? By the way, not
for me, for you, this would have been so much better.
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But most people don't. Most people don't. But here's what I.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Think that the head lane of that particular morality tailors do.
You didn't see your mom for six months, there's your problem.
If you had been there as the construction work was
going on, you could have said, way, wait, we have
to put a polka door in but because you neglected
your mother for six months, so really you're to blame.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You know what, I got to find a mirror to
be fair, could have been three months. And also I
could have met her for brunch two times in that
that hero play that showed up at her house.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Brunch is a meal that comes up for you quite
a lot, which is interesting because I think of you
as a very kind of butch, straight down the lang guy,
and brunch, let's be honest, is America's only openly gay meal.
So I find that it's it's an interesting mix for you.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I don't subscribe to that statement that you just made
about openly gay brunch. And I'll tell you why. You're
old enough to remember a book, a very popular best seller,
uh from the seventies called men Don't Eat Keishe?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
There?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah that real men, Real men don't eat keishe? I
will file that under brunch, which is hell Yeah, I
eat keish. It's eggs, it's ham, it's in a pastry shell.
It's delightful. What does that mean? Real men don't eat keishe?
You know what I'm saying. It's there's bacon, cheese, eggs,
and it's in a pis shell what I love a pie.
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I love bacon, I love cheese, and I love eggs.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So we're even come off with real men don't.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Eat keiche I love. I would eat keishe during brunch happily.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Wait, so so you eat keys at lunchtime brunch, I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
We eat keiche I would eat the I would eat
the food that real men don't eat at the only
openly gay meal of the day.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Did you just come out to me?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Is that what happen? Not intentionally, but yeah, practically.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Under nineteen seventies rules, you just that's what you just
It's funny because it really is is an odd thing
because I mean, I don't want to kind of bang
on about cancel culture and the way things have.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Changed a lot, because I feel like, you know, I
feel like I talked about it too much. But it
does seem interesting to me that you and I will
laugh at hardships. So not just you and I, people
will laugh at a hardships and stuff that offends me.
I find it quite funny stuff that offends me. I
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kind of seek out comedy that offends me. But that's
very that's kind of very different. Now it's a different taste.
I think, well, I gotta wonder.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I think there's I think it depends how you feel
about yourself in that. I feel secure about myself in that.
I think there's a couple of things going on. And
it was weird. So I think it was yesterday somebody
(25:17):
wrote me a tweet and all paraphrase, but it said, like,
when did you become some sort of diarrhea tampon that
just absorbs all the diarrhea around you and sucking up
to your billionaire friends who make fun of you behind
your back?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
When did you become this? And I just wrote two
thousand and nine? But it was funny to me.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It was funny to me, And then I thought to myself,
this guy just wrote the most vile thing he could
think of he could summon about me, and I thought
it was funny. Now why did I think it was funny.
I'm not saying, oh, I'm so secure, nothing affects me.
I'm just saying I found it amusing, and so I wrote,
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I just wrote back, two thousand and nine is when
I began becoming that diarrhea absorbing diarrhea, right, And so
I wasn't bothered by it at all I kind of
I kind of like it, and people will say to
me things, so you won't do this, or you're that,
or you just you know, you're only famous because you've
sucked off Jimmy Kimmel or whatever. But I know what
(26:32):
I did, I understand what I do. Or some retis
people go, you know, you're the least funny person on
the planet. I'm like, have you met my stepdad John,
I can't be the least you know, so I mean second,
top five maybe unfunniest people in planet. So it doesn't
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really work. But then I also realize a lot of
this I think is born of some sort of insecurity.
And I'm not a boastful person, but I'm I'm horribly secure.
I am very secure. But it's only because I have
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a sort of track record of achievement and I do
a lot of things, and I achieve in many different
departments of life, and I understand it. It's like, I
really think part of what we're missing is a skill set.
I really do believe the base of my sanity is
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having a trade like being a carpenter actually physically tangibly
knowing how to build a house. There's something about that
that gives you a security, like a base, like I
totally understand a skill, you have a field of expertise.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I think that's totally right. I mean I don't have that,
and I kind of wish I did, but I but
I understand it from a point of view is I'll
tell you something I did very similar that when I
started in Late Night in two thousand and five. That
because of it, because I had I had to sign
a very punitive deal with CBS and and so I
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wasn't allowed to do anything at all on television unless
I got their permission. So they kind of owned me
for everything, like can do a movie, can do a
radio show, can do a commercial, can do anything unless
I got their permission to do it. The only one
thing they allowed me to do was live stand up.
Live stand up. They weren't interested in and it didn't
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bother them, and I could go and do that. And
I had done that, you know, as a kid, and
I had done that start now, so that was the
closest thing I had to a trade. And as time
went on in Late Night, I always stayed going and
doing stand up because I felt like it was the
thing I could fall back on. You know the way
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you're describing having a trade that it was my autonomy
if you like it, you know what I mean. It's like,
if everything does, I can do this.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
A trade isn't necessarily plumber or carpenter. You know, stand
up is a trade. Being a pilot is a trade.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Being a certified accountant is a trade. You know, there's
you know, I'm saying, a field of expertise, yes, which
could be I think could be sculptor really.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, it's you know, I think that's a very difficult game.
Aaron eleven on this, I'll just sculpt a couple of
things to the end of the month and maybe a little.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
No, I'm not talking about a financial I'm not approaching
it from a financial Oh askact. I'm saying there are
a lot of people that are certified pilots, right, but
they don't get paid as a professional airline pilot. They
fly private planes on the weekends or whatever. But they're pilots.
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They can operate a helicopter or something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I'm one of them.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I can fly an airplane. Oh you can't, Okay, Yeah,
I have a license. Yep.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
That's a field of expertise that you have that other
people don't have, and it gives you a kind of
a base, you know, Like I'm calling it a confidence,
for lack of a better term, but it's sort of steady.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Understand.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I don't know, speaking a second language, playing the stand
up base, you know what I mean, just things you
can do.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And I think the.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
More that you have, the more secure you are, because
if you think about the people that are sort of
melting down at town hall meetings and screaming as loud
as they can and sort of going out of their mind,
you couldn't imagine them having a pilot's license, could you.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And you couldn't.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Imagine them being a skilled electrician like a journeyman electrician
or something like you really can't or sitting down at
the piano and playing chopine, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I mean like having.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
These base sort of skills I do think is a
foundation for sanity.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I think you're absolutely right, And you know what, it's
kind of it occurs to me as you say, run
about twenty sixteen and the election cycle in twenty sixteen,
I made a decision that I was never again in
stand up going to discuss any politics. I'm not going
to do any politics at.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
All, none, And.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
It was an experiment, first of all to see if
I could do it, and then secondly to give myself
a break. And I think what it does is that
it allows you to go into a thought process that
is not part of the noise that's going all the time.
And I think what you're describing is right, Like if
you're flying an airplane or building a house, or applying
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yourself to the area of expertise you're talking about, you know,
thinking about all the things that make you mind, you're
concentrating on something else. And I think I think that
that's what it is. I think you're I think you're right.
It's it's an odd thing too. Do you think that's
what the noise is? That you know, the kind of
hyperbolic nature of everybody talking to each other on social
(32:24):
media and everyone getting you know, on fire with everything
all the time, is because that's all they think about.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, oh, absolutely absolutely know that. When you are well,
I mean it's it's tied to this sort of lack
of physical.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Existence that we've gone into.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That you used to work on a farm and you
used to chop wood, you'd be in a logging camp
you know, you just have to get up and go
do something thing physical men and women. You know, women
would go milk the cow, collect the eggs, you know,
start the fire and you know, cook the whatever like whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
They did everything.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Everyone sort of had a task, you know, and people
were you know, that's how they got paid. And then
at some point everyone moved indoors and start getting in
the cubicles and lots of air conditioning, and they start
staring at the computer screen and they become very sedentary.
And while they did a task, the task was sort
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of endless and never had a beginning, a middle, and
an end.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
It's this kind of data entry, you know, just the
next piece of data to enter. You know, when you
build a when you build a barn, at some point
you step back and you look at that barn and
you think to yourself, I built that barn, and it's
done now, and then you move on. But we removed
that from about ninety percent of the populace, and people's
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minds started turning on themselves.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
They don't really do that.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I worked with blue collar guys always and they never
They just think in a pragmatic way.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
And also.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
They don't have any issues with things, like they don't
have dietary restrictions. I would just go I'm going on
a lunch run, and they'd go, all right, boss, And
then I wouldn't even tell them where I was going,
you know, and I would just come back with, you know,
ten hamburgers and ten fries or ten burritos and ten tacos,
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you know, or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
None of them had any.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Issues with gluten or allergies or something upset their stomach,
or there was nothing.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
They just just ate whatever it ate.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And then you just got back up and you went
to work, and no one said a word, and there
were no rules, and there's no restrictions.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I think, and I think there's also the idea that
everyone wants to appear smart and and if if you're indignant,
it can make you feel like you're smart. I always
thought that about comedy comes in for that, even if
you just look at the way comedy is treated like
it's a very rare thing for a comedy, a comedy
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thing that when an oscar or a golden globe or
any of that, because because comedy, it's not kind of
the thought is done by the person who's performing it.
But not necessarily the perfon that's absorbing it. And I
think that you know, if you make people laugh, they
don't feel clever. But if you make them think, you know,
(35:42):
if you kind of like massage them or make them
kind of being angry as well. You know, anger is
I think, or being indignant or being outraged feels like
I'm clever. I notice things that other people don't know,
so therefore I'm better. And to kind of boost your
confidence because you don't have your carpentry or pilot's license
or whatever the hell, has something else to kind of
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bolster you. So the indignance is the kind of the
airst's skill, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, I it's also I think there's a lot of
virtue signaling too, which is they care more than you care.
You don't, right, okay, going with the indigenous people or
the climate or whatever's going on, and they care, you know.
So Trump is an existential threat and he's going to
(36:34):
attack democracy and they're going to fight Trump, whereas you're going.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
To sit back and watch SportsCenter.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
So if you sort of went back historically and you want,
you know, Hitler was rising to power and one group
of people were going to fight Hitler and the other
group were going to a pub to have a beer.
You'd go, well, who was the more noble person, And
that's equation. You need to go, well, a person who
obviously was going to go fight Hitler. That's that's who
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the real hero would have been in this equation. So
I think there's some of that because they announce here's
what's going on. You know, there's an existential threat against
humanity and it's known as climate change, and they're going
to fight it, you know, or whatever it is, that
whatever the subject is, they're going to fight about it,
(37:25):
and sort of de facto, if you're not fighting about
it or fighting for it, then you're sort of complicit
in this thing. Whether it's climate or Hitler or whatever,
whatever the subject is. You're sort of on the side
of the evil or or the Big Company or Monsanto
or Trump or Hitler or whatever it is, and so
(37:48):
you're sort of de facto for it and they are
against it, which makes them the hero in this equation.
But the problem with this equation is I haven't signed
off on the premise, you know what I'm saying, I
if I, if I do think this person is Hitler,
(38:09):
then I'm going to help you fight against them. But
that's where the that's where the rift is, I think,
which is what they're doing versus what what I'm doing.
Like Newsom declared that it was the noble mother of
iie that was homeless, and he's going to do something
about it.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
But I think it's junkies.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
So he is more noble than I if that's what
he's going to go do something about. But my problem
is is that I know that's not what the problem is,
and he's not going to fix anything, and thus he
hasn't because he hasn't identified the problem.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
So that's where the chasm is.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
You have a toy of the idea of going into
politics yourself, get into a proper no.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I mean, my problem is is I have a lot
of pragmatic ideas and I'll give you. I'll give you
for instance, and this part of the politics I would do.
Like I was at a party at Mark Geragus, the
attorney's house, who knows a lot of politicians and judges
and those kind of people. And I think Mark introduced
(39:24):
me to some guy who said he was, you know,
a district selectman or something in this area, and I
said to him, you know where I work on the
street behind me, there's lots of people dumping garbage, dumping
construction materials, busted out stucco and drywalls, stuff like that.
(39:49):
He said, yeah, I know, I know that's a problem.
We have to go in there and clean it up
all the time. It's people dump it back there. I said, yeah,
do you know why they dump it? He said not
really no. I said, well, the dump cost one hundred
and eighty bucks. That's why they dump it there. And
he goes yeah, okay, And I go, who's doing the dumping?
(40:14):
He goes, eh, I don't really know. I said, poor
Mexicans who do all the construction work out here. They're
going to pay one hundred and eighty bucks to go
to dispose of it the right way because they're on
a real tight budget. And they can come here for
free on a Sunday night and just dump it in
two minutes and leave. He goes, oh, yeah, yeah, because
(40:35):
you know, these are poor Mexicans who do all the
construction work out here. So I go, there's a home
depot literally up the street.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
He goes, yeah. I go, why don't you have a
guy handing out.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Leaflets in English and in Spanish that say you can
dump for free at the dump that's you know down
the street.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
This is a coupon you don't have.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
They're not going to charge you one hundred and eighty
bucks and when you go over there to dump it,
they'll give you a twelve pack at Takati. And he goes, yeah,
that's that's a good idea. That's a good idea. And
then about a half hour later at the party, the
guy circled back to me and he said, what was
(41:21):
that idea you had again about the dumping? And I said,
oh man, this is why we're at where we're at.
Just let's figure out what's motivating people and let's fix it.
You don't have to judge, you just fix it. Who
is doing the dumping construction guys, how do we know
it's all stucco and drywall and bust it out, demo
(41:43):
out stuff. Who's doing it? The super poor guys should
do the demo work. They do the hauling, you know,
the haul garbage. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Good?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
How much is the dump? It's too expensive for these
guys because they give a bid. The bid is like,
I'll do it all for a thousand bucks. All right,
they want to peel off two hundred more bucks out
of that and hand it to the city.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Why isn't it dump free?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Make it free if you don't want them to dump
everything on the side of mulhalland then make the dump free.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
How do we get the word out?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Go to the home depot and have it on a
sign in Spanish, hand out flyers at the home depot.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
That's where they shop.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
It's very hard to argue with that as a solution
because I'm trying to find some way to kind of
be responsible and kind of say, but wait a minute,
but I kind of can you know, it's like it?
It does make sense. I think the thing with government
and why probably you don't go into it is you
describe it. It's just the frustration of getting anything done
(42:46):
because it's not really what they I don't know that
they fucking care about getting anything.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Now their process In certain places they do, but in
Los Angeles they're all just process people. They want to
have a meeting. We would have a meeting about this point.
I'd be called culturally insensitive. At some point it would
be explained to me why it's not gonna work, we
take a vote, I would lose the vote, and then
I would get angry, and then I'd yell, all right,
(43:11):
fuck you clean up your garbage in the street for
the rest of your life.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
I don't give a fuck, and then I would.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Leave that it seems a place any to to let
it go. I think you're right. I think it's just
it's a long job. I don't under I don't know
how anyone could go into politics. I just don't fucking
know what anyone could do it.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well, you could, I'll tell you what you could do.
And I've been because I've been really drilling down on
this a lot lately, and I talked to doctor Drew
about it a lot. There are people who want to
do things and then they're process people. And I know
it because my mom was a process person, my dad
(43:53):
was a process person. They wanted to sit and talk
about things, but they never really wanted to get up
and go make a run and buy materials and start
the project. They wanted to discuss the project, you know
what I'm saying. And there's a lot of people that
all process people, probably percentage wise more women than men,
(44:15):
but there's plenty of men that are processed people as well.
And so if you inhabit the La City Council or
whatever the city council is, if you fill it with process.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
People, then you're gonna get a lot. And we're gonna
need to.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Do a report on and we have a we have
a committee that's going to discuss this and we're gonna
make Meanwhile, five years goes by and we have twice
as many homeless as we had when you started the
first meeting, and nothing ever really happens, but it's a
long discussion about it. Those are processed people, and they
(44:53):
get attracted to politics. Now there are nonprocessed people. Like
we had a mayoral race a few years ago. We
had Rick Caruso. He's a commercial builder. So commercial builders
are like, hurry, what's going on? Hurry, hurry, hurry. You know,
like when Trump spoke to Karen Bass, he was like,
(45:14):
let's go clean up those fires. Now, people need to
do it themselves. They want to start tonight.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Tonight.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
He's yelling and she's going whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down,
safety safety. So that's a commercial builder talking to a
process person. So we elected a process person, not a
commercial builder who's like all the commercial builder goes, is,
(45:40):
we aren't the foundation guys done informing's done. Where's the concrete.
Where's the concrete guys? We got to start framing. We
got to get to pour in before we start framing.
It's everything is hurry, hurry, what's next. But we we
like process people here where we sit and have a
discussion about things.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
And my mom would have liked it that way. She
liked the.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Process and the processes people are good because they give
very soothing speeches and discussions. But the problem is is
at some point you got to fix the potholes and
fill the reservoirs and that kind of stuff. And that's
not the work of a process person. That's the work
of the commercial builder person. And then so what happens
(46:29):
is is the commercial builder person becomes an annoyance to
the process person because because they come in and they go,
what's going on? And here, come on, let's go, let's go,
and the process perd goes slow down, slow down, we
want to keep it safe. Now, the process person doesn't
say I'm a process person, I'm never going to do anything.
(46:49):
They go, I want to get it done as bad
as you do. But we got to take our time,
do this safely. We've got to make sure get the
right permits, do the testing, check the soil, slow it down.
And then five years goes by and nothing's happened. And
that's kind of la is kind of a process person thing.
(47:13):
That's that's what we do. We talk about things, but
we don't really do that that much.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
You know. It's the truth. It's like it's in show business.
It's in the television business, is in the movie business.
It's a it's a lot of even when they do
do something, they want to check before they pull the
trigger on what they've done. You have to get a
focus group on a movie you've already made. You have
to say.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
They have so many meetings, I know, and it never
comes out the other end, and they always it's funny.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
They always go, could we just get together?
Speaker 2 (47:46):
And I go, I already told you whatever this or that,
it's we're done, you know, yeah, but we want to
get together one more time.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
It's always funny they'll do. They'll even do stuff, you know,
from shooting stuff. We're all gonna meet in the lobby
at six thirty in the morning and the van is
picking us up at seven and I go, well, why
don't I just be down there at seven? Well, we
all want to get down the lobby at six thirty
(48:15):
and make sure we're all there.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
I'll go. When's the van showing up? Seven?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
All right, I'll be down at seven. We're meeting at
six thirty. Okay, I don't know what you're doing. I'll
be there at seven. We're getting into the van, right, yeah,
where's the van ting? The van's taking us to the set. Okay,
So i'll be down at seven. I won't be down
at six. We're all meeting at six thirty.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
You guys get done there at six thirty. Get me
a kiche that my keiche be hoo, and I'll eat
it in the van on.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
The way to the zet Ana Mimosa.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
All Right, we gotta go because we'll be completed about
people talking too much and I've been talking too much.
But it's lovely to catch up with you again, Adam.
You're always a breath of fresh air. Continue success in.
It's good to check in with you. Let's do it
again soon.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I hope. So my friend, take care, Thanks buddy, Thanks
ding you too.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Bye
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