June 18, 2024 • 53 mins
Meet Kate Micucci, an American actress, comedian, and musician who is half of the musical comedy duo Garfunkel and Oates. Kate talks about Hollywood, family life, mental health and her experience with postpartum depression, splitting her life between LA and NYC and much more. She fills Craig in on what her experience micro dosing mushrooms has been like and closes the episode with amazing airplane story. Tune in and EnJOY!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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this podcast is Joy. I talk to interest in people
about what brings them happiness. Do you know who's on
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the podcast today? Well, of course you do, because it's
written down, but I'm going to do the introduction anyway.
My guest today is Kate mccuchi. She's part of Carfunklin Oats.
She's the Oats. And if you don't know who they
are or what she does, and if you listen to
the podcast or watch the podcast, you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Will find out.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
On this podcast. My only real is that I only
talk to people I want to talk to.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So apparently that's you.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh yeah, because thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You were doing that very funny thing, the garfunkeln Yeach thing.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Which are you guys still doing that?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We haven't been for a little bit. We're right now
working on other projects, like our separate projects. But I
am sure we'll get back to it. I feel like
it'll be really interesting because now we're both moms, and
I feel like that'll be a whole other turn in
a cool way. Probably sure.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I mean, look, you.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Grew up, you know, you grew into something else. I mean,
I think we were just talking about this. If I
have two boys, you have.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
One one boy. Yees four, he's four. That's lovely. That's
actually a good time.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, it's lovely because they're kind of a little bit
better and pre school yet.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, he's in preschool. He just had his first school play.
Oh my gosh, it was so he was a bird.
I was it was he? Yeah, I love I've really
been having like I did not do great with the
baby phase. I didn't realize this is there's just nothing
to do other than try to like feed it is
just a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It's a lot of work and nothing coming back in,
no gargles.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And once they start talking though, oh my gosh, I've
been having like really like I love two, I love three.
I've been having such a great time. Four is getting
a little tricky because he's he's getting smarter, like, you know,
not everything. He doesn't believe everything, so uh.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, but also they they but they still watched the
same movie over and over again and stuff like you
put him down on Ratty walk Away.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah, my kid is he he doesn't sit long because
then he wants to play whatever he's seeing, which is
kind of cool, but it's like a lot of pretend
of whatever we just watched.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But do you know a lot of people, because you
do a lot of animated movies, do you do you
know a lot of you?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Is he watching anything that you're in?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've showed him some Scooby Doo. I
feel like maybe I should try that again now that
he's a little bit older. But yeah, he'll know like, oh,
I'll say, hey, that's me or that's my friend or
you know, uh, but yeah, my friend. Claudia is a
voice on Bluey and so that's been a very big deal.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But no, I haven't been in the world of young
kid yeah for a while.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So blue is.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
That that's like the one, right, Like that's like everybody
is talking about it, right, but it's for a good reason.
It's actually a really really amazing showy Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
See, I don't know. I mean, here's the thing. Did
you ever get into music for your kid?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
You mean like playing music or.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well, obviously you play music, but do you play kids
music to your kid or growing up music?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I play growing up music mostly choice, Yeah, and I
even't I put out a kid's album which wasn't like,
you know, the songs that I write that like come
from me, like are just maybe very kid centered, even
though I wouldn't like I'd say half the songs that
on the album we're not written for children, but they
just were, yes, yeah, and then the other half were
written specifically. But but yeah, so I I you know,
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I play him. I have played him those songs and
he played. I do a show at the Bob Baker
Marionette Theater and mikey uh plays along. He plays the
whole show, an hour of him. He doesn't actually play
the guitar but he's got the guitar, but so yeah,
so I guess that's kind of kids music that he
does know. But I am you know, I just like
to show him cool songs like you know, and he
really is into like Broadway and stuff like well because
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of what I played. Well.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But here's the thing, though, what were you into when
you were a kid?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Broadway? Like big time and you know the Disney musicals
of course, which I guess also kind of aligned with
Broadway and Billy.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Have you ever done Broadway?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
No? But I want to someday. That's my dream do Broadway? Yeah?
Have you done it Broadway? No?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I've been to Broadway, yeah, a couple of shows, but
I haven't done anything.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I did the West End in London, the Rocky Horror Show.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Oh you did? Oh that's fun. How was it?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, eight shows a week for a year, dancing
in high heels. It's a it's a it's a job, Harvard,
Yeah it is. What kind of Broadway shows do you like?
Do you like the kind of the Wickeds and all
that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Is that your thing?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I mean all of it. I love the big spectacles.
I love the smaller you know, like small like you know,
a play with three people. I love all of it.
I'm such a nerd for all of it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Was that your thing when you were in school? Was
you a theater nerd? Was that the thing?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I've always been a theater nerd. I wasn't in a
lot of shows. I didn't. I was really shy in school.
The fact that I've become an actress is I think
surprising to anybody that knew me before.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I was.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You were in Jersey, right, I am from New Jersey
and then grew up mostly in Pennsylvania, and then I
went to a tiny school, like a little art school
in Pennsylvania that was only a two year school. I
thought I was going to be a toy designer, and
so I was going to school.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Was it a tiny school, as know, a little people
are just a tightest school because you were quite small.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And both things. No, it was like probably a thousand kids.
It was really a small school in a very small town.
But it had a great art program.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
What did you do then? Did you do performance art?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
No? I was doing fine art at the time.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Ah yeah, So what were you painting?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Mostly painting and getting into sculpture, and then through sculpture
started making puppets. And I was really into Julie Taymore.
You know, she did The Lion Can and I'd seen
a show she started. Yeah, she said, she's done a
bunch of movies, and I really got into the way
she makes puppets. And I was trying to like do
that on my own, kind of like learning from books
and things, and uh. And then I thought, oh, maybe
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I do want to perform. That's like my secret wish,
you know. But I didn't want to tell anyone. It
felt very like I think I was embarrassed to say
that I wanted to be an actor, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
No, I understand that I felt the same way because
I wasn't your Your family background was nothing like that.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
No. I mean, my my parents were exposed my brother
and I to the arts a lot, and we were
you know, we were in the school plays and things
like that. And both my brother and I competed with
classical piano, so that was. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So here's what I'm thinking, Like classical piano, you still
play piano.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I do, but I lost I've lost the chops, but
I still play it and I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Classical piano and sculpting. Mm hmm that's both.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
They're both very specific people I've met in my life
classical pianists and sculptors, and they're quite similar.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Really, how so I feel like.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I want to say this without being judgmental, but they
can be quite difficult personalities.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Interesting kind of emotionally it's tortured too much. Yeah, it
maybe a little too much, but certainly shut down is
the vibe that I've.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Got over again. Interesting, you don't seem that way at all.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Well, I wouldn't say i'm either. I mean, I love,
like I dabble and like now, I mean, the only
thing I sculpt is like when I go to the beach,
but I am kind of I was able to like
take a block and make something out of it, and
that was to me really fun. Yeah, and I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Was that is it Henry Muir who said to make
a sculpture of a cop you got a big lump
of marble.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And just cut away all the bits that aren't cot.
He was pretty good at that. Sculptures were kind of
weird look at it.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
That's cool though.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Did you study different artists in the sense that, like
where were you drawn?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Were you drawing it? Stuff? Like Andy Murror? You drawn
abstract stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
When you drawing, I was very much into just doing
like realistic at that time, like you know, and and
oil painting and like you know, just trying to make
I was more in the real like trying to make
it look as real as possible, and which is the
opposite of what I make now. But it's just and
But sometimes I think, oh, I should kind of go
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back to that, it would be fun, But I always
just end up doing these more like cartoony. I don't
know if it's a matter of the time I have
to make things now, which is why you.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Have a young child. So you're going to be working
mostly in macaronio, yes for a while.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, I feel like I my time is limited, so
I I go go go when I draw or paint
and uh, and so the things I make are quicker,
but I feel like it's really fun to just kind
of So.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
How did it go from? Like what did your parents did?
For eleven?
Speaker 4 (09:12):
My mom is a piano teacher, although I did not
take lessons from my mom. I went to a very
strict woman who she was from Germany. She was a
wonderful lady, Missus Smith. I was very scared of Missus
Smith's growing up, and she was just the most wonderful lady.
But I and I owe so much to her. But
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I would get stomach aches before every lesson because I
was like, I hope I did it right. I hope
you did it right. My mom was teaching piano to
pay for our lessons, basically, and so she would also
sit with us during practice and you know where she'd
be like cooking in the kitchen, going count out loud
or you know, and that wasn't right. Do it again, Like, yeah,
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he's an electrician, but my dad is very creative and
he's just got a real creative I think he is
an artist, there's no doubt, but he so I think,
you know, we were always like doing very creative things
around the house and he would make you know, he
would make toys with us, which I guess maybe partly
why I wanted to do toy design.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
But you know, is that what you finished when you
were doing our school? Did you finishing toy design?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Kind of railed I was gonna go to f I
T in New York, which at the time was the
only toy design program in the country.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Oh, the fashion, the Fashion Institute. Yeah, sorry, and uh,
and then but I was very shy, and I went
and looked at the school and I just was like,
I don't know if I'm ready to go to New
York City, even though I grew up ninety minutes from there.
I was just like, I don't know. And then I
was putting myself through college, which is, you know, very expensive.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Did you have a job.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I was small jobs here and there, and then a
lot of financial aid and figuring it out. I never
did that. I'm not that coordinated. I felt like, I mean,
I don't know that I'd be the guy. I guess
I could wait tables. I was always I always taught.
I taught piano myself to make money, or baby sat
aton and I taught art also to a little.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Kids, babysat and you still went ahead and had a baby.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Anything like the amount of time from babysitting to actually
it was a good gap. But yeah, I just kind
of I put myself through school. I wasn't sure if
f I t going to New York was the right move.
So I went to Hawaii and I lived with my
aunt and uncle for three months. And what did you do?
I I didn't. I'm very I was very good. I
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don't know what good means. I mean now like whatever,
I don't, I don't do I don't smoke only because
I'm crazy on MARYL I don't do well.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
No, it's not that old the drugs, but marijuana was
the one that actually had the worst effect on me.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I'm not good on it. Yeah, I ate it. I
don't like it either. I like I like mushrooms, but
I've only done a few. I was micro dosing mushrooms.
Here I'm getting sidetracked.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
But no, no, that's quite interesting because I want you
to tell me what micro dosing is because I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I don't really understand it either. I had really bad
postpartum depression after having it said really that and it
was it was also during lockdown during the pandemic, so
it was kind of extra looking back, I don't know what,
you know, where there was probably both the depression from
you know, having.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
What does it feel like postpartum depression? Because I mean,
I know that it's it's a real problem for a
lot of women, and it's not really talked about much.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
A little more now, but it is more and more.
But I think I have this theory that it's such
a terrible thing to go through that when you're out
of it, it's almost like I don't even think.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I don't want to talk about it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I was talking to a friend of mine who's a playwright,
and she she had it as well, and I was like,
when I was in it, I was like, Oh, I
want to make art about this, or I want to
make a book about this, or maybe a book of
cartoons about this or something. But then the minute I
felt good again, I was like, I don't want to
think about it. And I think that has that happens
to people like where it's like, I mean, there are
some amazing books about it, thankful, but.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
What form does it take though, because like I've heard
stories like women like have thoughts about.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Heart and their baby.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, weird and shameful thought to cope with and stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I mean yeah? And I think a lot of times
I understand I feel like those horrible news stories we
read about, you know, bad things happening. I can go
I now see like, oh that woman was dealing with
postpart Like sure, I was very fortunate that I was
not in you know I didn't want to. Well, this
was the thing I went to. I knew something was
wrong because I just couldn't stop crying, like just deep sadness.
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And I said to my doctor, I need I need help.
And and so I went to UH specialist that specialized
in postpartum. She asked me all these questions and uh
and then she said I. She said, oh, do you
want to harm your baby? I said, no, that is
not something in my mind. I'm just very deeply, deeply
sad like everything. Like I was washing bottles on the
sink and I was crying because they were drowning, like
(13:57):
like it was just irrational thoughts. Yeah, and so and
she said, oh, no, you just have the baby blues.
It'll go away. And I was I remember thinking in
my gut like no, yeah. I remember thinking that's not right,
that isn't the right thing. But I was also so like,
you're kind of just like down, you know, like I
kind of like, oh okay. So I walked out of
there with just that advice, which was not anything, and
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then we went into lockdown with the pandemic two days later.
And so I never I should have sought out help
through you know, something online or something. But I was
just it was so much happening at once, you know,
the world, so it was odd. It was bad timing,
but I as far as me getting the right help
and being able to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So what I did you get out of it?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I did brain spotting, which is that, and that was
over zoom because of the pandemic, and it took me
a year, over a year to get myself to get help.
But then it's where you look. It's it's similar to E. M.
D R, which which is more but it's something it
(15:06):
has something to do with rewiring the brain. But it's
all visual. And so I'd be like looking at the
wall and listening to these this music and headphones, and
then the therapist over zoom would say, Okay, now I
want you to think about this, think through this. Now,
put your eyes a little to the left. And I
don't know how. It sounds like magic or something, but
somehow by looking at spots on the wall and listening
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to this thing and walking through my thoughts, somehow it
rewired the kind of traumatic experiences that I was had
dealt with, you know, with having babe. It was a
traumatic birth. All these things and so I kind of
walked through all the bad stuff. And I remember the
therapist saying that if if you do it right, and
it really like if you get it, you know, if
you take to it, it'll be like six sessions and
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then you'll feel good. And it was. It was six
and maybe her saying that as part of it, but
it really was six sessions. It was so helpful. And
that and then I started microdosing mushrooms and I.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Can't quite what is a microds of mushrooms because for me,
the only thing I took mushrooms was like.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
In a pub.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, and I bought them from a guy that looked
like Charles Manson, and that's probably not.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
My Yeah, No, I mean it's it's such a small amount,
and I feel like it's the thing that everybody's doing
these days, but that you don't get high, you don't
even really feel, you don't feel it. It's just a
it's just each day. I would do it. I do
a tiny dose every three days, and for some reason
it kind of works as a like depression or something. Yeah,
(16:34):
and uh, and so I did that for a few months,
and that I think that coupled with the brain spotting
really kind of lifted me out of whatever was dealing.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Had you ever done therapy before that?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Had you ever experienced like because I look the reason
I bring up, I've done all of that, and I
know a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Of performers and fight most people I know are performers.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, and it feels like that it's quite common for
folks like us to get kind of trapped and dark
alleyways a little bit in your head.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Did you get it before the baby?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I mean, I think even as far as depression goes,
or I've been very lucky. I've gone to therapy, you know,
throughout the years here and there with different people. It's
almost like dating, like trying to find the right person
that understand yeahship and definitely, So I think I was
getting better at going like I don't know that this
person's for me, and then finding the right person for
a while, or you know, when I made the switch
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once I met the woman who was going to help
me with the postpartum that I've stuck with her. But
but I feel like, yeah, I don't know, I feel
overall I'm very fortunate. I found that I usually am
a pretty uperson. So I think that's why when that
took me down, and I had I've had moments, of course,
like in any person. But yeah, but that was like
(17:47):
a dark, dark place to go. But but then you know, luckily,
I think truly it is weird to say, but mushrooms
helped a lot.
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Speaker 1 (18:11):
Say you out there, you know what, People take drugs
because they makes them feel better. Yeah, and I sometimes
wonder if we don't and the way to and the
desire to save people from the terrible dangers that you
forget to go. Well, they take them because they're not
feeling good.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, you know, like I I have.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
A friend of mine right now who I'm trying to
talk to her about his alcohol intake. And he said,
I realized I was self medicating with alcohol. I said, well,
if alcohol is the medicine, what do you think the
illness says, because there's an illness called alcoholism, that alcohol
is kind of the medicine for alcoholism.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
But it kills you yep.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You know, so there's another there's other medicines for it.
I just wonder if it's kind of like it's a
funny thing, the old the old brain, especially if you
go through a huge physical.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Trauma like having a baby.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And you said, like the baby was it wasn't an
easy time either, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It was.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
It was. It was an emergency sea section, and the
minute he was born, his lung got torn. I think
it was a mistake on the and looking back, it's
so hard to know exactly what happened. But because of
the sea section, they needed to get the goo out
of like if if you know, and so when they
did that, I think from what I was told, they
did too hard you know, the goo, yeah, the medical
(19:38):
So when they did that, they tore his lung and
so he ended up in the nick you and thankfully
it all worked out and it healed itself, but they
were talking to us about surgery, you know, in the
scheme of things. He was there for four days. It
wasn't you know, but it was still traumatic and so
there was that you know, that beginning that was just
so kind of rough, you know, rough start. But anyway,
(19:58):
I yeah, so I therapy was very, very help I'm
pro therapy. I think anybody talking to somebody that has
no attachment to the people in your life is like
super helpful.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, I totally agree. I never really understood why people
feel threatened by it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, like you should talk to your priest and you go,
well therapy. Do you have a religious faith? Is there
something that you or anything like that?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
You know. I feel like I'm a spiritual person. I'm
very open to anything, and I love like I I
grew up like Catholic light, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Any turns into Jesus, but.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
It's just like Christmas and Easter Catholic Like, okay, we'll go.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I did. I did my like I did my communion
and then I came around for the confirmation and I
was like I'm not into this and my parents. That's cool.
But but there's parts of it, like I like the music.
I love the music in church, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, yeah, ceremony is great. Yeah, that's another way of
bringing people in. That's what you want, right.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I feel like there's there's little bits of things that
I think I can take from different religions and be like,
oh that's cool, Like I yeah, I've dabbled in Nietzsure
and Buddhism as well, and I feel like that's been
really you know, whenever I actually go and stick with
it for a while, it's pretty amazing talk to.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Me about that, because I haven't been much about that.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
To be honest. It's like I feel like I've sort
of done my own thing for a while. Like I
used to babysit for this family who was very into it,
and they would have meetings at their house and I
would just go and then I just Buddhist.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I don't even know what Buddhist meeting would do. I
mean just like meditate, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well kind of you go around and talk about what
you're chanting for or how your week's going. And it
was a small little group and then everyone would chant
for like an hour. And at first I was like, oh,
I don't know that that, like I just moved here.
I was like, that feels very like California in LA
or something. And then I started to do it and
I loved it, and it was great and very helpful
at a time when I was like, you know, twenty
(21:52):
four and trying to figure out my life.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Is that when you age, you came here.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I moved out here when I was twenty one, and
then I graduated two years later. If you had met
me at twenty one, you would have thought I was fourteen.
I looked so little. I hadn't I was like I
had never dated. I was like, didn't know how to
drive on a freeway. I was and were you safe?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But who was looking after you?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I was living in a hotel near the airport, but
it was with all the transfer students. They then they
took all that. I went to Loyal and Marymount University.
Oh yeah, so didn't go to learn how to be
a toy designer. I decided to go to Loyal and
marry Mount instead. And that's when I was living in
the hotel, which was super fun, and I didn't have
a car, at a skateboard. It was like just if
you met me, I would have thought it was very little.
(22:37):
So then I graduated, very lost, trying to figure out
how to make money, kind of wanted to do acting,
not sure how to get into it. And then I
start chanting with this family and it was it brought good.
I don't know, it was just very nice and it
felt like centering. No, but I've been wanting to get
back to it. So who knows, maybe I'll starting Yeah, yeah, righty.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
To chat.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I always got a little embarrassed with that kind of
thing as well, when like if you're in a yoga
class or something, when they start doing things, I'm like,
all right, knock it off, i gotta go.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, I know that feeling. Yeah, I kind of stopped
going to the meetings for that. Say. I was like,
you know, I'll just do my own thing.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, I don't mind being quiet. Yeah, you know,
like if everybody's quiet. Have you ever do you know
much about the Quakers?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
No, tell me you know. The Quakers I'm quite interested in.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I don't know an awful lot about it, but I'm
beginning to kind of sniff around it a little bit,
just because I'm fascinated by all these things.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I don't have a religious affiliation.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But I but the Quaker thing kind of interests me
because they have meetings like AA meetings and stuff like that,
but they you can just go to a Quaker meeting
and not say anything, and it's for an hour or something,
and if nobody says it and that's it, you'll just
sit quietly in the circle. Then I feel like there
might be a lot of information in that. Somehow it
(23:54):
feels cool to me somehow, And I don't know why.
I mean, I don't know if you have to have
words for it. So right now, if you ask me
right now, what are you'd say? I'm thinking about becoming
a quake for a while. But your Oats, your Oats
and Garfunkel. Yeah, the the idea of Garfunkel and Oates
(24:17):
was like taking the two secondary people from Simon Garfunkel
and Hall of Oates.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Right then we became great friends with John Oates. In fact,
I love him, Yeah, pretty crazy after fifty years or
a long time. Yeah, which it's kind of hard to
imagine because.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What's even the point.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I don't know. I don't really I have no idea,
but I do know John. I love John. He's such
a wonderful guy. He is a great, great guy, and
he's been always so supportive of us. You know, we
started Garfunkler Notes, and very soon after this is my
Space days. He he wrote us on MySpace message and
he said, you owe me a beer for using my name,
(24:55):
so when I come to your next show, you know,
And then we were like what, So we got so excited,
and then Ricky and I ended up opening for him
when he was doing some solo stuff and Agora Hills.
It was so fun.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
So he is when he's Oats? Does he just go
out as Oats?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah? He played a couple of hollow songs, but he
also did a lot of his solo I.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Think it must be this is a thing because you've
been in a double aight. I've never been in a
double act. It's a weird kind of relationship to be in.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I think it's like a marriage. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I've talked to a lot of different people who have
been in them, and sometimes it's not so much fun
and it goes through I mean, are you guys friends?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah? Oh you we're definitely friends. And I feel like, yeah,
I feel like that that those touring years that we
had like bonded us for friends. And we also made
a TV show. It was only one season, but I've
had so.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Many TV shows.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Something that you know that would maybe like tear you
apart in some way. No, it made us so together,
like we we you know, we have so much life
experience together.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I feel like you come together. What did you mean
we met.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Just through mutual friends? We were both going to acting
class at Leslie Khan at the time. This is like
early maybe like two thousand and four, two thousand and five,
and I knew you know when you meet someone and
you like have this feeling almost like dating, where you're like,
I'm going to know this person. When I first met Ricky,
I had that feeling. I was like almost like a dizzy,
like this person's going to be important in my life.
(26:22):
Like I got really excited. And then we kind of
met so I had known her a little bit through there,
and then we had a mutual friend in Doug Benson, right,
and so we both just ended up at Doug show
and ended up hanging out afterward, and then that really solidified, like, oh,
we're going to be friends. And so we were friends
for about a year before before you started working. Yeah,
and then when we started, Ricky had an idea for
(26:42):
a short and she wanted to turn it into a musical, right,
and so we wrote a couple of songs and it
just like you know, when something clicks, it's just right.
We just had this like beginning that felt so exciting
and like just kind of almost like not that it
was out of our hands, but it felt like, Wow,
we're doing something and things are happening, and no thing.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Out of your hands is a good way.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
But it's there's that Youngian thing of like the collective
unconscious is feeding wherever you're doing.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, you kind of can't deny the universe when all
of a sudden things are happening.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's like you get to hold the phone for a minute.
It's yeah, it's kind of interesting. I love that idea
in that environment when you were when you guys met,
because I feel like your generation of performers is I've
said this on the show before to people of your
generation of performers, but you seem to be a little
more collegiate than than.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
When I was coming through There was it was a
little more kind of.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Rivalry and back bite and kind of right, kind of
a little more swimming with sharksy uh huh, Am I
wrong about that To have an idealized version of four
you guys think.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I think like there was there was a really like
it's almost not you can't really know about it till
the moment has passed. But in that moment of like
those early days of UCB and and all of these warmers,
when I think about like you know who we were
with and who and also who was so supportive of us.
I mean, I think and that group is still still exists,
but like the early days before, he's one of the
(28:12):
people that brought everyone together. And yeah, Sarah Silverman was like,
you know, so supportive. Like there were so many women
that were like come on, like like cheering us on,
which was very cool. And yeah we were, I mean
we're definitely kind of a little bit in the right
place at the right time, but also working our butts
off at the same time. You know, when you're young,
(28:32):
so much fun. Yeah, like there was nothing else I'd
want to do, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I remember it was.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It was it a party environment as well, were you
guys like I mean, I guess you said, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
That's like the craziest. Like as far as uh, Ricky
and I on the road, we'd always joke with people.
People would always be like, hey, you want to come
out afterward, and we'd like, we're going to place Solitaire
on our iPads. Oh thank you. But there was something
about conserving energy and you know, being good for the
next day. But we're neither of us are are you know,
like party years at all?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Oh, I think that's quite interesting. I remember talking to Kristin.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Channon with I love her, She's great, right, and she
had and there's a Broadway Oh my god, loyalty for you,
And I remember talking to her about it. She's I mean,
she's very open and very lovely person, and she was
talking about I was talking to her about her life
off of the stage. Yeah, and she said something that's
always kind of stuck with me, which was.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
What I do requires rest.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I was like, oh, okay, So when I'm hanging around
a hotel room like a slob all day before I
go on stage, I'm like, what I do requires rest.
I got to feel like I got some energy for this.
I got to focus on it when I go and
do it. Is that that's the kind of the way
you felt on.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Tour, definitely. I Mean there was so much just like
like just chilling before the show because and in the
early days when we were just kind of building our
audience and we were doing two shows and I two
shows Friday, two show Saturday, meet and greets in between,
and then one show Sunday, and that's like by Monday.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I still do that.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You do. It's a lot. It kind of does require
you to just stay in your hotel during the day
and watch bad movies on TV.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And what's bad about it? As well as you?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I mean, I just came from San Francisco and it
was a beautiful weekend and I love San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It was sunny all day, but I.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Was doing two shows at nighttime, and I was like,
if I go out and do it, these shows are
going to suck because I'm going to tie. Totally understand
that I really want to go out, but I really
better know. But of course I'm almost sixty two years old,
so I really have to hold it down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
But it's about protecting protecting yourself and your energy and
also being there for your audience, you know. So yeah,
never should you should never feel guilt about staying in
your hotel.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I won't, And coming from a Catholic, I think is
you shouldn't feel good with guilt. Of course you are.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
It was programmed down airly. It's like you're a original Sino.
Right away, before you even go here, you were in trouble.
So what happened when did you spend a lot of
that time? Was that when you met your husband or
did you guys get together later on or.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I met my husband well, I mean we were Ricky
and I were touring for gosh, I don't know how
many years. I don't even I couldn't even tell you,
probably two thousand and nine to you know, eighteen. But
I met my husband in twenty and seventeen. We just
met on an app.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It's a very like blind no tell me about it,
because that all like I've been with my wife for
you know, way before apps and even smartphones. I think
almost the the but we that whole thing passed me by. Yeah,
I'm very glad to say. Actually, I think I worry
about that as I look at like my own son's
(31:47):
growing up, and I think that's how people meet.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
It is how people.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, and did you have a little profile.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
And oh yeah, well I had never done the app thing.
But then Rya came along, which is like the hot.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That Riya's the like you've got to be good looking,
a rich is that I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
It's I think it's I don't know how it works.
Even it's changed a bit, but at the time it
was like, oh, it's kind of this exclusive thing or
if you're an actor, or you know, like.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Oh, you're famous, you can go on and then it
won't be nobody's going to like take your thing and
embarrass you on Twitter.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
But yeah, I think that was the idea. I don't know, yeah,
and so I felt like, okay, I could try this.
That sounds exciting and I loved it. I had a
great time on that up and then you know, and
I would kind of like go on a bunch of
dates and then kind of like take a break from
it and go back. But I think like maybe a
year into being on the app, I met Jake, my husband,
and I was his first Riot date, and I remember saying,
(32:42):
I am sorry, like if you want to keep dating,
you should because there's like, you know, there's but but no,
we got serious pretty quickly. We moved in together very
quickly and got a dog, and you know, got married
a year into a year to the day of meeting,
we got married. But I was also, that's pretty good. Yeah,
(33:03):
I mean it was I dated a lot, and it
was you know, it's that cliche like, oh no, this
feels right. And I also, you know, he he knew
I wanted to have a kid, and so we're like, okay,
like clock is to you know, the cliche, every cliche
of that is.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It's only biology.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I mean, it's it's not it's not I mean, was
it that think Sarah silver And says it's rather lovely.
We're all just chemical, sweetie. Yeah, I mean, and you know,
if your clock is taking it really is. It's a
real thing. I mean it's like it sounds kind of sexist,
but is it, you know, I mean what it's were
you when your your baby was born.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
I was just a few months shy of forty, so
so yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It's fine, but it's it's I guess in terms of
human history.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, totally. I would have had a grand kid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well I look at that now.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I mean like here in la I was sixty two,
I could still be having care yeah no, But in
Scotland I'm grandpa.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I mean, it's it's a different thing.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
It is, and it's you know, I think our town
is definitely you know, everybody delays there there having a
family for their dreams, you know, I think, you know,
so I among my friends, I was one of the
first to have a kid of my friends, like my age,
which you know was probably way late for the compared
to the friends in my hometown.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Right, yeah, no, I get it.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
The thing is though about because the the real lesson
I think of.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I mean, I was thirty nine, so the same as
as you when my first kid was born.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
When he came along, it didn't happen right away, but
within six months I realized that the movie that I
had been in up until that point was all about me. Yep,
And suddenly there had been a change, and now I
was an extra in the movie that I used to
be starring at.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
It's really hard, isn't it. It's a change, especially if
you have the look I don't. I think I'm cursed
with too much of an ego.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
But it's bad. I mean, it's as bad as anybody has.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Everyone is an ego, everyone, and I guess I was
like I resisted it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, how was it for you?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
I think, well that and then the world stopped at
the same time, so it was a weird. It was like, okay, well,
nobody else was really doing anything right now except for
Zoom shows. Like it was like I didn't feel like
I was missing out. Oh god, doing comedy on Zoom.
Oh you can't. It was the worst I was like,
are they laughing? But then, but I think it's harder
(35:33):
to have kids when you're older for a lot of reasons.
But it's like I I got to experience like kind
of being this free person doing whatever I wanted really
like for a long time. I think people who have
kids when they're younger, for good or bad, like it's
just that's just part of their life then where it's
like whoa, whoa. I was just totally free.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
No, it comes another way because like my wife is
twenty years younger than me.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
So she was much younger when.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
She had right, she was much younger.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
And so what happened was that like now our youngest
is thirteen, okay, and he's kind of like doing what
teenage is doing, kind of pulling away a little bit.
I mean he's still you know, but he's pulling away
a little bit. And now she's in this position of
having been dealing with young because when she met, I
had a When we met, I had a three year
old okay, right, and so she I was like, you know,
(36:25):
here's your minivan.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
You know you're in her your eye, I don't have
time for this.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
She jumped in.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, she was like I'm in, let's go, and we're
still together. And then ten years later we had another baby,
and or nine years later we had another baby, and
actually six years later we had another baby.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
But so she's been dealing with that for a long time.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
But now she's, you know, in her forties, and now
she has some time.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
How is is it exciting?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I think it is.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
But I think it's it's like change, even if you
want it, it's tricky, you know, I mean, it's tricky.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It's a weird adjustment.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Yeah. Yeah, And I feel like I'm still trying to
figure out. I don't know if I ever will like
how how to like schedule my day and then still
be able to pick up my kid at school, Like
it's just there. The time is so limited.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It is. But and also just when you get used
to it changes again.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah yeah right.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
But was it changes?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
The law of God's mind and resistance to it is
the source of all pain?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
How do you do with professional ambition and the torment
of that given if desire is suffering, do you do
you feel fulfilled as an artist? Or is that because
at least a very strange place for that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
It is, and I feel like, I mean, we're at
a point right now where I think everyone's kind of
in this uh like question mark. Yeah. And but I
I love making. I feel like my fulfillment comes from
even making something small. And then I get excited like
if I if I write a song or if I
paint a picture, Like I it doesn't take much to
(38:08):
get me excited about creating. Like I just naturally create
a lot of things right when I'm like, you know,
like I said, in that dark time, I wasn't making
too much. But but like when I'm feeling good and
I'm making things, like I just get I'm happy. You know,
it's like it. And so I mean, there is the
matter of paying the bills. You know, I'm someone who's
you know, I've been fortunate that I can make a
(38:30):
living as an actor. But it's not you know, I'm
not it's a it's a day job. You know, I'm working.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Ideas about what.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
I remember going back home and running into a kid
from high school and he was like, Hey, you must
live in Malibu in a mansion, and I was like, no,
but I live in an apartment in Hollywood and I
have a roommate who lives.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
In Malibu and imagine people who work in the executive
position exactly.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
But I but I will say, like, it's, uh, it's
really for me. I you know, I just like creating things.
And if it's you know, creating things with friends, making
little cartoons, like that's where I'm not great at putting
it out there in the world to figure out, Okay,
how do I turn this little book I made into
some you know, like I'm trying to be better at that, right,
But the joy of making something is like, I don't know,
(39:21):
I'm very fulfilled by it. So and I guess in
a way that's lucky because I'm not you know, obviously,
I love acting and I love you know, when I
get a job and I get to be on set,
it's so much fun. But you know those things sometimes
can be months apart from each other for me.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, me too. I mean, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I was just talking to skol Akerman about this because
I asked him if he did any act. He said
maybe once a year, yeah, And I said, I'm the same,
And we both admit it's because it's about as much
as we can.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
It's like it's a stranger time.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
It's weird though as well, because I can't acting in
particular an odd one for me.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I have a trouble. It's taking it serious.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I feel like, and you were on a show like
in the in the in my mind, what was such
a great time for sitcoms and Drew Carey shows so great?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And it was it was It was such fun to
do it. Yeah, but it also.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Was really boring, was it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
And it was really fun.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
And if I remember it the way that you know,
sometimes I remember it's being really fun, but remember how
it actually was. It was really boring a lot of
the time. And because it's acting, there's a lot of
waiting around.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Yeah, there is that.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I wrote three four movies. Wow, I was doing that time.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Because there's so much downtime.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, it's just in my trailer and there wasn't Instagram,
so I couldn't film my day.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
With great But you actually wrote movies instead.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
That's another thing I was talking to Scott about that
that I wonder how much art is not getting past
the starting point because of social media.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
I think about that for myself all the time. Wow,
what what I have made with the time I have scrolled?
I don't like it's it's kind of messed up to
even think about, like, you know, but I think everybody
it's you know, it's that it is another drug. It's like, oh,
it's time to fight the power.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Though, I think I think that we have to stop
saying that it's cool, and we have to stop saying that.
We have to stop participating in our own demise.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
It's garbage. It's a fucking toilet wall, and we got
to stop.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
We gotta fight the fucking is tiny a little more
punk rock with that ship, Yeah, put it down and
pick up a fucking analog something, a paint brush.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
I literally just bought three new paint brushes today, just like.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, I'm excited that I need you fighting the power
fight back.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
I think, uh yeah, I try to do a thing
where it's like the posting Ghost, where it's like I
put it up, but then I don't look at it
anything else. But of course I'm not.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I'm not creatd I think that's kind of like saying,
if you're an alcoholic, I'll just one, or I'll just
have a shandy, or you know, I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I don't think it's possible, not for me. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I've tried it and I can. And the thing is,
I feel like the addictive nature of social media. I
don't know if it's late for you, but I think
it might be the most addictive thing I've come across.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
Yeah, I mean, we're fucking Instagram, man, I mean Jesus, Yeah,
with that thing.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
It will just suck ours out of your day.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
And and it's, uh, you know, you see people on
the streets, it's like, uh, you know, we're all kind
of just looking at this thing in our hand, and
it's you know, it's it's and you know what else
trips me out is then the ads that pop up.
We're like, I was just talking about that. Does that happen?
I don't know, are you?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Are you a conspiracy theorist? A little bit?
Speaker 4 (42:44):
I mean I think they're fun. I don't. I don't
know that. I like, yeah, I love to hear about
I don't know, I don't know who's listening but to
this No, no, I mean to our phones. But uh yeah.
The weirdest one for me was that I was I
juggling oranges by a pool and then a friend of mine,
(43:04):
can I just tull you?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Why were you juggingling oranges by a pool? Was it
something to do with entertaining children.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
No, it was just that there was an orange tree
by a pool. And then I was like, let me
juggle as one would. And then and then maybe five
minutes later, our friend goes, oh, my gosh, and he
shows us an ad and it's a it was a
bowl of oranges sitting by a pool, and we were like,
what what is that? Like, maybe it's coincidence, but it's
not coincidence. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
It's not coincidence. I can't believe. That's just not Paul.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, I think that. But you know in nineteen eighty four,
in the book nineteen eighty four when they talk about
the Tailey screens and they're everywhere.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
And I think, no, we just volunteered for it.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
They don't even have to put up screens to observe us.
We we observe ourselves. We walk around tailing on each
other all the time. I wonder about you. You escaped
this just I think. But young performers coming up now,
when they make mistakes, ever, it's forever.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
It is, and it's I don't I don't know. I
feel for that, Like I feel like, yeah, it's a
scary thing and putting, you know, putting thoughts out there,
putting jokes out there, like the freedom of that feels
it feels very scary, you know too much.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
It's like whenever there were good TV shows, I think
they always had good producers and a good producer.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Like I had a really good producer in late night.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
His name was Peter Lasally and he had like produced
Johnny Carson for thirty four Wow, and he did David
Letterman's transition over to CBS from NBC and all that,
and so he was he was a great producer.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
And not for what. He didn't tell me what to do,
You tell me what not to do.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Like I would say, a joke has a great joke,
and it's a great joke, but you want to do it? Yeah,
that's going to be he said. He had this phrase
which I loved. I think people on social media, me
and b I don't post anything on generic bullshit, but.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
He would always say there's always another joke. There's always
another joke.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
And I get angry at him because I didn't want
that to be true.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I wanted like to find that, you know, to be
more kind.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Of like I'm an artist. This is pure and you go, well,
if you're an nurist then it's pure, then you probably
wouldn't be working at CVS. Yeah, life, you know, you're
it's like you're working on a TV show and it's
kind of it's kind of strange. Do you do you
censor yourself?
Speaker 4 (45:40):
You know, I don't know that. I I don't need to.
I mean, I guess the thing I feel like what
we're my my place of making things, especially like you know,
the things I'll post these days is like I'll I'll
do a painting and I'll like speed it up, you know, right,
it's you know, there's nothing that I don't think any
one's gonna get mad about. Who knows, I mean people
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get mad about everything.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Well, here's the thing, it's all a matter of time.
And say you post the picture like you do a
painting of a boat. Yeah right, So here's a boat
on the water and you speed up. It's a nice
picture of a boat on the warrants, it's oil on cabins,
it's beautiful. But unbeknownst to you, a news story has
just broke about a boat that sank.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, people were drowned, and now.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Your boat picture goes up has nothing to do with you,
but now you're an insensitive monster.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
Yeah that I mean I've seen versions of that yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Times all the time. Yeah, and it's like, but that's
not what I was doing. But because the zeitgeist has
it's a headless monster.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
It just yeah, it goes everywhere. So I'm trying to
bring back your depression.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Oh gosh, oh no, I feel like I get Yeah,
I'm gonna knock on my head and say, like, currently
that stuff that you're talking about, like it's I don't
think about it too much when posting, only because it
feels like what I'm you know, like it's mostly my
paintings or a song or something, you know, like a
(47:14):
song about my dogs, you know, but it's I feel like, yeah,
it's it's scary. I don't know what kind of dog
do you have. I don't know she we we adopted her.
I'm guessing a Maltese Ish thing. She's very sweet.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
I think that's a good answer.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah, if you.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
I mean, I know what the dogs I have, but
it's only because we always have these dogs.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 2 (47:37):
The German?
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Oh, those are very smart dogs.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
They're very smart, really smart.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, like you you can leave the house and say
I'll be back about six.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
They'll understand.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
It's just something light. No carbs.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
You have more than one, I have two and a
jack Russell. And do they how do they hang? Are
they okay?
Speaker 1 (47:56):
The Germans march up and down and the jack Russell
drinks too much. Stereotypes for where they're from.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
No, gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Shepherds are very kind of like it's time to go
to bad. The kids are letting a little like nudge
of them.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Oh that's so sweet, they know.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, it's kind of like, no, go over here. Yeah,
it's time for sleeping. And the jack Russell's are like,
let's all go fucking and they're kind of the pogues
of the dog. Well, but I do love it is
that you have a little dog. It's a little and
a little kid.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
And a little kid, and the little kid could care
less about the little dog. But the little dog wants
to protect our kids, so like she's she's like his guardian.
And even to your point of like really knowing what's up.
Like when he was little, she she would come up
and put her paw in my head and just wake
me up in the middle of the night. And she
would know that Mikey was hungry before I knew. Yeah,
(48:52):
very in tune. A sweet sweet dog.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
It is your dog.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
We think maybe nine or ten at this point. Yeah,
but yeah, she's she's a Yeah. I could tell she
she always wants to go with me wherever, but she
just right in my bed. No, she has a type
of dog that sits in a back like we fly
with her and no one ever knows. I mean, obviously
I still for her to fly, but like nobody would
ever know. Yeah. Well, actually I just got that perk
(49:20):
through jet Blue. So if I fly Jet Blue, no,
I don't have to be that's a fun thing.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I don't know because when I see people carrying their
dogs on the plane, I'm like, I assume that the
dog flies for free.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
It's usually like seventy five dollars or it doesn't get
a seat. But I but I fly Jet Blue mostly,
and so I got the dog perk. That's really exciting.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
The mint jet Blue where you get a single seat
on your own.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
I used to, but now with with a kid, we
just we do the three to three across in it.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, but that's the great thing about once you're a family,
that you don't have to go first class or try.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
And you just have a ro you're in first But yes,
mint Is I always loved Have you done the flight?
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Every parent does that pass through this thing where your
baby is the baby that's ruining the flight for everybody else.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
I'm gonna knock on. No, we know it happened.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Really yeah, well maybe not.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
He's four, but he's always been a great wire, like
we've been so lucky. Do you want to hear about
a crazy flight that I just had though? Sure, this
is a crazy story. We were visiting my aunt and uncle.
They live in Hawaii, that's where I was back in
the day, and they had never met Mikey, and so
we went over. There was a couple of weeks ago,
and on our flight back, we'd maybe twenty minutes out
of We just took off from ConA, heading to LA
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and I'm on my computer doing work, and my son
is sleeping and Jake is sleeping, and then all of
a sudden, I smell gas and I look to the
person across the row from me, and he looks at
me and he goes, do you smell that? And I said, yeah,
you tell someone right away, and you hear people going,
I smell proping, I smell propane, and so I wake
up Jake and he hits the little like ding thing,
(50:55):
you know, and we hear the flight attendants are in
their seats for safety, and I'm right away, I'm but why,
But it's because we had just taken off like twenty
minutes prior. But they said, if it's an emergency, hit
it again. So hits it again and you see their
face as they come down the aisle and smell the
same propane. And the flight attendant was like, you know,
the good news is we're not that far from Hawaii
(51:15):
if we need to turn around. And I'm thinking turn
it around, like this can't be right, like something, and
I'm panicking, and I'm looking at my son, who's just
so sweet and sleeping, and I'm like, oh my gosh,
like we're over the ocean. What's going to happen? And
then I see she rushes to the phone to talk
to the pilot, and then she comes back and says,
everything's looking good on there end. If the smell doesn't
(51:37):
dissipate in five minutes, we'll reassess. And I am freaking out,
And then probably four minutes into it, We're all kind
of everyone's quiet and freaking out. But then it's like, wait,
the smell is going away. And then the pilot gets
on the speaker and says, for everyone who is concerned
about the smell of propane, it was a fruit. And
(51:58):
I'm like, there is no way that was a fruit.
By the way, we had to go through two different
fruit screenings.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
So of course, no way it was the fruit.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
Turns out it was a fruit called a durian. Did
you know somebody so these I looked it up. I
felt less crazy once I looked it up. It's caused
other flights to be delayed in things because it can
smell like propane. It can smell like a lot of
bad things. But it's illegal in some countries because it
smells so bad. And somebody got their fruit through two
fruit screenings and decided it was time to eat a
(52:28):
durian while on our flight.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
And are the people that wear short but bringing on
that that's a rage.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
It was so wild. I mean, I did feel a
little crazy because I went through so many emotions within
those you know, eight minutes, but it was it was
really scary, And it turns out it was a fruit. Yeah,
well all's well, that ends well yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
It's been lovely talking to.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
You, so much fun to talk to you. I feel
like we just kind of wandered around, but it was
really fun.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Thanks for having me lovely, Thanks for being here.
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the podcast today? Well, of course you do, because it's
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My guest today is Kate mccuchi. She's part of Carfunklin Oats.
She's the Oats. And if you don't know who they
are or what she does, and if you listen to
the podcast or watch the podcast, you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Will find out.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
On this podcast. My only real is that I only
talk to people I want to talk to.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So apparently that's you.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh yeah, because thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You were doing that very funny thing, the garfunkeln Yeach thing.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Which are you guys still doing that?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We haven't been for a little bit. We're right now
working on other projects, like our separate projects. But I
am sure we'll get back to it. I feel like
it'll be really interesting because now we're both moms, and
I feel like that'll be a whole other turn in
a cool way. Probably sure.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I mean, look, you.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Grew up, you know, you grew into something else. I mean,
I think we were just talking about this. If I
have two boys, you have.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
One one boy. Yees four, he's four. That's lovely. That's
actually a good time.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, it's lovely because they're kind of a little bit
better and pre school yet.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, he's in preschool. He just had his first school play.
Oh my gosh, it was so he was a bird.
I was it was he? Yeah, I love I've really
been having like I did not do great with the
baby phase. I didn't realize this is there's just nothing
to do other than try to like feed it is
just a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It's a lot of work and nothing coming back in,
no gargles.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And once they start talking though, oh my gosh, I've
been having like really like I love two, I love three.
I've been having such a great time. Four is getting
a little tricky because he's he's getting smarter, like, you know,
not everything. He doesn't believe everything, so uh.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, but also they they but they still watched the
same movie over and over again and stuff like you
put him down on Ratty walk Away.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah, my kid is he he doesn't sit long because
then he wants to play whatever he's seeing, which is
kind of cool, but it's like a lot of pretend
of whatever we just watched.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But do you know a lot of people, because you
do a lot of animated movies, do you do you
know a lot of you?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Is he watching anything that you're in?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've showed him some Scooby Doo. I
feel like maybe I should try that again now that
he's a little bit older. But yeah, he'll know like, oh,
I'll say, hey, that's me or that's my friend or
you know, uh, but yeah, my friend. Claudia is a
voice on Bluey and so that's been a very big deal.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But no, I haven't been in the world of young
kid yeah for a while.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So blue is.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
That that's like the one, right, Like that's like everybody
is talking about it, right, but it's for a good reason.
It's actually a really really amazing showy Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
See, I don't know. I mean, here's the thing. Did
you ever get into music for your kid?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
You mean like playing music or.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well, obviously you play music, but do you play kids
music to your kid or growing up music?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I play growing up music mostly choice, Yeah, and I
even't I put out a kid's album which wasn't like,
you know, the songs that I write that like come
from me, like are just maybe very kid centered, even
though I wouldn't like I'd say half the songs that
on the album we're not written for children, but they
just were, yes, yeah, and then the other half were
written specifically. But but yeah, so I I you know,
(04:09):
I play him. I have played him those songs and
he played. I do a show at the Bob Baker
Marionette Theater and mikey uh plays along. He plays the
whole show, an hour of him. He doesn't actually play
the guitar but he's got the guitar, but so yeah,
so I guess that's kind of kids music that he
does know. But I am you know, I just like
to show him cool songs like you know, and he
really is into like Broadway and stuff like well because
(04:30):
of what I played. Well.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But here's the thing, though, what were you into when
you were a kid?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Broadway? Like big time and you know the Disney musicals
of course, which I guess also kind of aligned with
Broadway and Billy.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Have you ever done Broadway?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
No? But I want to someday. That's my dream do Broadway? Yeah?
Have you done it Broadway? No?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I've been to Broadway, yeah, a couple of shows, but
I haven't done anything.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I did the West End in London, the Rocky Horror Show.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Oh you did? Oh that's fun. How was it?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, eight shows a week for a year, dancing
in high heels. It's a it's a it's a job, Harvard,
Yeah it is. What kind of Broadway shows do you like?
Do you like the kind of the Wickeds and all
that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Is that your thing?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I mean all of it. I love the big spectacles.
I love the smaller you know, like small like you know,
a play with three people. I love all of it.
I'm such a nerd for all of it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Was that your thing when you were in school? Was
you a theater nerd? Was that the thing?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I've always been a theater nerd. I wasn't in a
lot of shows. I didn't. I was really shy in school.
The fact that I've become an actress is I think
surprising to anybody that knew me before.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I was.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You were in Jersey, right, I am from New Jersey
and then grew up mostly in Pennsylvania, and then I
went to a tiny school, like a little art school
in Pennsylvania that was only a two year school. I
thought I was going to be a toy designer, and
so I was going to school.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Was it a tiny school, as know, a little people
are just a tightest school because you were quite small.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And both things. No, it was like probably a thousand kids.
It was really a small school in a very small town.
But it had a great art program.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
What did you do then? Did you do performance art?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
No? I was doing fine art at the time.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Ah yeah, So what were you painting?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Mostly painting and getting into sculpture, and then through sculpture
started making puppets. And I was really into Julie Taymore.
You know, she did The Lion Can and I'd seen
a show she started. Yeah, she said, she's done a
bunch of movies, and I really got into the way
she makes puppets. And I was trying to like do
that on my own, kind of like learning from books
and things, and uh. And then I thought, oh, maybe
(06:34):
I do want to perform. That's like my secret wish,
you know. But I didn't want to tell anyone. It
felt very like I think I was embarrassed to say
that I wanted to be an actor, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
No, I understand that I felt the same way because
I wasn't your Your family background was nothing like that.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
No. I mean, my my parents were exposed my brother
and I to the arts a lot, and we were
you know, we were in the school plays and things
like that. And both my brother and I competed with
classical piano, so that was. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So here's what I'm thinking, Like classical piano, you still
play piano.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I do, but I lost I've lost the chops, but
I still play it and I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Classical piano and sculpting. Mm hmm that's both.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
They're both very specific people I've met in my life
classical pianists and sculptors, and they're quite similar.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Really, how so I feel like.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I want to say this without being judgmental, but they
can be quite difficult personalities.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Interesting kind of emotionally it's tortured too much. Yeah, it
maybe a little too much, but certainly shut down is
the vibe that I've.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Got over again. Interesting, you don't seem that way at all.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Well, I wouldn't say i'm either. I mean, I love,
like I dabble and like now, I mean, the only
thing I sculpt is like when I go to the beach,
but I am kind of I was able to like
take a block and make something out of it, and
that was to me really fun. Yeah, and I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Was that is it Henry Muir who said to make
a sculpture of a cop you got a big lump
of marble.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And just cut away all the bits that aren't cot.
He was pretty good at that. Sculptures were kind of
weird look at it.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
That's cool though.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Did you study different artists in the sense that, like
where were you drawn?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Were you drawing it? Stuff? Like Andy Murror? You drawn
abstract stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
When you drawing, I was very much into just doing
like realistic at that time, like you know, and and
oil painting and like you know, just trying to make
I was more in the real like trying to make
it look as real as possible, and which is the
opposite of what I make now. But it's just and
But sometimes I think, oh, I should kind of go
(08:42):
back to that, it would be fun, But I always
just end up doing these more like cartoony. I don't
know if it's a matter of the time I have
to make things now, which is why you.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Have a young child. So you're going to be working
mostly in macaronio, yes for a while.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, I feel like I my time is limited, so
I I go go go when I draw or paint
and uh, and so the things I make are quicker,
but I feel like it's really fun to just kind
of So.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
How did it go from? Like what did your parents did?
For eleven?
Speaker 4 (09:12):
My mom is a piano teacher, although I did not
take lessons from my mom. I went to a very
strict woman who she was from Germany. She was a
wonderful lady, Missus Smith. I was very scared of Missus
Smith's growing up, and she was just the most wonderful lady.
But I and I owe so much to her. But
(09:32):
I would get stomach aches before every lesson because I
was like, I hope I did it right. I hope
you did it right. My mom was teaching piano to
pay for our lessons, basically, and so she would also
sit with us during practice and you know where she'd
be like cooking in the kitchen, going count out loud
or you know, and that wasn't right. Do it again, Like, yeah,
(09:52):
he's an electrician, but my dad is very creative and
he's just got a real creative I think he is
an artist, there's no doubt, but he so I think,
you know, we were always like doing very creative things
around the house and he would make you know, he
would make toys with us, which I guess maybe partly
why I wanted to do toy design.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
But you know, is that what you finished when you
were doing our school? Did you finishing toy design?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Kind of railed I was gonna go to f I
T in New York, which at the time was the
only toy design program in the country.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Oh, the fashion, the Fashion Institute. Yeah, sorry, and uh,
and then but I was very shy, and I went
and looked at the school and I just was like,
I don't know if I'm ready to go to New
York City, even though I grew up ninety minutes from there.
I was just like, I don't know. And then I
was putting myself through college, which is, you know, very expensive.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Did you have a job.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I was small jobs here and there, and then a
lot of financial aid and figuring it out. I never
did that. I'm not that coordinated. I felt like, I mean,
I don't know that I'd be the guy. I guess
I could wait tables. I was always I always taught.
I taught piano myself to make money, or baby sat
aton and I taught art also to a little.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Kids, babysat and you still went ahead and had a baby.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Anything like the amount of time from babysitting to actually
it was a good gap. But yeah, I just kind
of I put myself through school. I wasn't sure if
f I t going to New York was the right move.
So I went to Hawaii and I lived with my
aunt and uncle for three months. And what did you do?
I I didn't. I'm very I was very good. I
(11:33):
don't know what good means. I mean now like whatever,
I don't, I don't do I don't smoke only because
I'm crazy on MARYL I don't do well.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
No, it's not that old the drugs, but marijuana was
the one that actually had the worst effect on me.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I'm not good on it. Yeah, I ate it. I
don't like it either. I like I like mushrooms, but
I've only done a few. I was micro dosing mushrooms.
Here I'm getting sidetracked.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
But no, no, that's quite interesting because I want you
to tell me what micro dosing is because I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I don't really understand it either. I had really bad
postpartum depression after having it said really that and it
was it was also during lockdown during the pandemic, so
it was kind of extra looking back, I don't know what,
you know, where there was probably both the depression from
you know, having.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
What does it feel like postpartum depression? Because I mean,
I know that it's it's a real problem for a
lot of women, and it's not really talked about much.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
A little more now, but it is more and more.
But I think I have this theory that it's such
a terrible thing to go through that when you're out
of it, it's almost like I don't even think.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I don't want to talk about it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I was talking to a friend of mine who's a playwright,
and she she had it as well, and I was like,
when I was in it, I was like, Oh, I
want to make art about this, or I want to
make a book about this, or maybe a book of
cartoons about this or something. But then the minute I
felt good again, I was like, I don't want to
think about it. And I think that has that happens
to people like where it's like, I mean, there are
some amazing books about it, thankful, but.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
What form does it take though, because like I've heard
stories like women like have thoughts about.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Heart and their baby.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, weird and shameful thought to cope with and stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I mean yeah? And I think a lot of times
I understand I feel like those horrible news stories we
read about, you know, bad things happening. I can go
I now see like, oh that woman was dealing with
postpart Like sure, I was very fortunate that I was
not in you know I didn't want to. Well, this
was the thing I went to. I knew something was
wrong because I just couldn't stop crying, like just deep sadness.
(13:37):
And I said to my doctor, I need I need help.
And and so I went to UH specialist that specialized
in postpartum. She asked me all these questions and uh
and then she said I. She said, oh, do you
want to harm your baby? I said, no, that is
not something in my mind. I'm just very deeply, deeply
sad like everything. Like I was washing bottles on the
sink and I was crying because they were drowning, like
(13:57):
like it was just irrational thoughts. Yeah, and so and
she said, oh, no, you just have the baby blues.
It'll go away. And I was I remember thinking in
my gut like no, yeah. I remember thinking that's not right,
that isn't the right thing. But I was also so like,
you're kind of just like down, you know, like I
kind of like, oh okay. So I walked out of
there with just that advice, which was not anything, and
(14:23):
then we went into lockdown with the pandemic two days later.
And so I never I should have sought out help
through you know, something online or something. But I was
just it was so much happening at once, you know,
the world, so it was odd. It was bad timing,
but I as far as me getting the right help
and being able to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So what I did you get out of it?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I did brain spotting, which is that, and that was
over zoom because of the pandemic, and it took me
a year, over a year to get myself to get help.
But then it's where you look. It's it's similar to E. M.
D R, which which is more but it's something it
(15:06):
has something to do with rewiring the brain. But it's
all visual. And so I'd be like looking at the
wall and listening to these this music and headphones, and
then the therapist over zoom would say, Okay, now I
want you to think about this, think through this. Now,
put your eyes a little to the left. And I
don't know how. It sounds like magic or something, but
somehow by looking at spots on the wall and listening
(15:28):
to this thing and walking through my thoughts, somehow it
rewired the kind of traumatic experiences that I was had
dealt with, you know, with having babe. It was a
traumatic birth. All these things and so I kind of
walked through all the bad stuff. And I remember the
therapist saying that if if you do it right, and
it really like if you get it, you know, if
you take to it, it'll be like six sessions and
(15:50):
then you'll feel good. And it was. It was six
and maybe her saying that as part of it, but
it really was six sessions. It was so helpful. And
that and then I started microdosing mushrooms and I.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Can't quite what is a microds of mushrooms because for me,
the only thing I took mushrooms was like.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
In a pub.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, and I bought them from a guy that looked
like Charles Manson, and that's probably not.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
My Yeah, No, I mean it's it's such a small amount,
and I feel like it's the thing that everybody's doing
these days, but that you don't get high, you don't
even really feel, you don't feel it. It's just a
it's just each day. I would do it. I do
a tiny dose every three days, and for some reason
it kind of works as a like depression or something. Yeah,
(16:34):
and uh, and so I did that for a few months,
and that I think that coupled with the brain spotting
really kind of lifted me out of whatever was dealing.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Had you ever done therapy before that?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Had you ever experienced like because I look the reason
I bring up, I've done all of that, and I
know a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Of performers and fight most people I know are performers.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, and it feels like that it's quite common for
folks like us to get kind of trapped and dark
alleyways a little bit in your head.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Did you get it before the baby?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I mean, I think even as far as depression goes,
or I've been very lucky. I've gone to therapy, you know,
throughout the years here and there with different people. It's
almost like dating, like trying to find the right person
that understand yeahship and definitely, So I think I was
getting better at going like I don't know that this
person's for me, and then finding the right person for
a while, or you know, when I made the switch
(17:23):
once I met the woman who was going to help
me with the postpartum that I've stuck with her. But
but I feel like, yeah, I don't know, I feel
overall I'm very fortunate. I found that I usually am
a pretty uperson. So I think that's why when that
took me down, and I had I've had moments, of course,
like in any person. But yeah, but that was like
(17:47):
a dark, dark place to go. But but then you know, luckily,
I think truly it is weird to say, but mushrooms
helped a lot.
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Speaker 1 (18:11):
Say you out there, you know what, People take drugs
because they makes them feel better. Yeah, and I sometimes
wonder if we don't and the way to and the
desire to save people from the terrible dangers that you
forget to go. Well, they take them because they're not
feeling good.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, you know, like I I have.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
A friend of mine right now who I'm trying to
talk to her about his alcohol intake. And he said,
I realized I was self medicating with alcohol. I said, well,
if alcohol is the medicine, what do you think the
illness says, because there's an illness called alcoholism, that alcohol
is kind of the medicine for alcoholism.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
But it kills you yep.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You know, so there's another there's other medicines for it.
I just wonder if it's kind of like it's a
funny thing, the old the old brain, especially if you
go through a huge physical.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Trauma like having a baby.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And you said, like the baby was it wasn't an
easy time either, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It was.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
It was. It was an emergency sea section, and the
minute he was born, his lung got torn. I think
it was a mistake on the and looking back, it's
so hard to know exactly what happened. But because of
the sea section, they needed to get the goo out
of like if if you know, and so when they
did that, I think from what I was told, they
did too hard you know, the goo, yeah, the medical
(19:38):
So when they did that, they tore his lung and
so he ended up in the nick you and thankfully
it all worked out and it healed itself, but they
were talking to us about surgery, you know, in the
scheme of things. He was there for four days. It
wasn't you know, but it was still traumatic and so
there was that you know, that beginning that was just
so kind of rough, you know, rough start. But anyway,
(19:58):
I yeah, so I therapy was very, very help I'm
pro therapy. I think anybody talking to somebody that has
no attachment to the people in your life is like
super helpful.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, I totally agree. I never really understood why people
feel threatened by it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, like you should talk to your priest and you go,
well therapy. Do you have a religious faith? Is there
something that you or anything like that?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
You know. I feel like I'm a spiritual person. I'm
very open to anything, and I love like I I
grew up like Catholic light, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Any turns into Jesus, but.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
It's just like Christmas and Easter Catholic Like, okay, we'll go.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I did. I did my like I did my communion
and then I came around for the confirmation and I
was like I'm not into this and my parents. That's cool.
But but there's parts of it, like I like the music.
I love the music in church, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, yeah, ceremony is great. Yeah, that's another way of
bringing people in. That's what you want, right.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I feel like there's there's little bits of things that
I think I can take from different religions and be like,
oh that's cool, Like I yeah, I've dabbled in Nietzsure
and Buddhism as well, and I feel like that's been
really you know, whenever I actually go and stick with
it for a while, it's pretty amazing talk to.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Me about that, because I haven't been much about that.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
To be honest. It's like I feel like I've sort
of done my own thing for a while. Like I
used to babysit for this family who was very into it,
and they would have meetings at their house and I
would just go and then I just Buddhist.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I don't even know what Buddhist meeting would do. I
mean just like meditate, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well kind of you go around and talk about what
you're chanting for or how your week's going. And it
was a small little group and then everyone would chant
for like an hour. And at first I was like, oh,
I don't know that that, like I just moved here.
I was like, that feels very like California in LA
or something. And then I started to do it and
I loved it, and it was great and very helpful
at a time when I was like, you know, twenty
(21:52):
four and trying to figure out my life.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Is that when you age, you came here.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I moved out here when I was twenty one, and
then I graduated two years later. If you had met
me at twenty one, you would have thought I was fourteen.
I looked so little. I hadn't I was like I
had never dated. I was like, didn't know how to
drive on a freeway. I was and were you safe?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But who was looking after you?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I was living in a hotel near the airport, but
it was with all the transfer students. They then they
took all that. I went to Loyal and Marymount University.
Oh yeah, so didn't go to learn how to be
a toy designer. I decided to go to Loyal and
marry Mount instead. And that's when I was living in
the hotel, which was super fun, and I didn't have
a car, at a skateboard. It was like just if
you met me, I would have thought it was very little.
(22:37):
So then I graduated, very lost, trying to figure out
how to make money, kind of wanted to do acting,
not sure how to get into it. And then I
start chanting with this family and it was it brought good.
I don't know, it was just very nice and it
felt like centering. No, but I've been wanting to get
back to it. So who knows, maybe I'll starting Yeah, yeah, righty.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
To chat.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I always got a little embarrassed with that kind of
thing as well, when like if you're in a yoga
class or something, when they start doing things, I'm like,
all right, knock it off, i gotta go.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, I know that feeling. Yeah, I kind of stopped
going to the meetings for that. Say. I was like,
you know, I'll just do my own thing.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, I don't mind being quiet. Yeah, you know,
like if everybody's quiet. Have you ever do you know
much about the Quakers?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
No, tell me you know. The Quakers I'm quite interested in.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I don't know an awful lot about it, but I'm
beginning to kind of sniff around it a little bit,
just because I'm fascinated by all these things.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I don't have a religious affiliation.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But I but the Quaker thing kind of interests me
because they have meetings like AA meetings and stuff like that,
but they you can just go to a Quaker meeting
and not say anything, and it's for an hour or something,
and if nobody says it and that's it, you'll just
sit quietly in the circle. Then I feel like there
might be a lot of information in that. Somehow it
(23:54):
feels cool to me somehow, And I don't know why.
I mean, I don't know if you have to have
words for it. So right now, if you ask me
right now, what are you'd say? I'm thinking about becoming
a quake for a while. But your Oats, your Oats
and Garfunkel. Yeah, the the idea of Garfunkel and Oates
(24:17):
was like taking the two secondary people from Simon Garfunkel
and Hall of Oates.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Right then we became great friends with John Oates. In fact,
I love him, Yeah, pretty crazy after fifty years or
a long time. Yeah, which it's kind of hard to
imagine because.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What's even the point.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I don't know. I don't really I have no idea,
but I do know John. I love John. He's such
a wonderful guy. He is a great, great guy, and
he's been always so supportive of us. You know, we
started Garfunkler Notes, and very soon after this is my
Space days. He he wrote us on MySpace message and
he said, you owe me a beer for using my name,
(24:55):
so when I come to your next show, you know,
And then we were like what, So we got so excited,
and then Ricky and I ended up opening for him
when he was doing some solo stuff and Agora Hills.
It was so fun.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
So he is when he's Oats? Does he just go
out as Oats?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah? He played a couple of hollow songs, but he
also did a lot of his solo I.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Think it must be this is a thing because you've
been in a double aight. I've never been in a
double act. It's a weird kind of relationship to be in.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I think it's like a marriage. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I've talked to a lot of different people who have
been in them, and sometimes it's not so much fun
and it goes through I mean, are you guys friends?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah? Oh you we're definitely friends. And I feel like, yeah,
I feel like that that those touring years that we
had like bonded us for friends. And we also made
a TV show. It was only one season, but I've
had so.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Many TV shows.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Something that you know that would maybe like tear you
apart in some way. No, it made us so together,
like we we you know, we have so much life
experience together.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I feel like you come together. What did you mean
we met.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Just through mutual friends? We were both going to acting
class at Leslie Khan at the time. This is like
early maybe like two thousand and four, two thousand and five,
and I knew you know when you meet someone and
you like have this feeling almost like dating, where you're like,
I'm going to know this person. When I first met Ricky,
I had that feeling. I was like almost like a dizzy,
like this person's going to be important in my life.
(26:22):
Like I got really excited. And then we kind of
met so I had known her a little bit through there,
and then we had a mutual friend in Doug Benson, right,
and so we both just ended up at Doug show
and ended up hanging out afterward, and then that really solidified, like, oh,
we're going to be friends. And so we were friends
for about a year before before you started working. Yeah,
and then when we started, Ricky had an idea for
(26:42):
a short and she wanted to turn it into a musical, right,
and so we wrote a couple of songs and it
just like you know, when something clicks, it's just right.
We just had this like beginning that felt so exciting
and like just kind of almost like not that it
was out of our hands, but it felt like, Wow,
we're doing something and things are happening, and no thing.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Out of your hands is a good way.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
But it's there's that Youngian thing of like the collective
unconscious is feeding wherever you're doing.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, you kind of can't deny the universe when all
of a sudden things are happening.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's like you get to hold the phone for a minute.
It's yeah, it's kind of interesting. I love that idea
in that environment when you were when you guys met,
because I feel like your generation of performers is I've
said this on the show before to people of your
generation of performers, but you seem to be a little
more collegiate than than.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
When I was coming through There was it was a
little more kind of.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Rivalry and back bite and kind of right, kind of
a little more swimming with sharksy uh huh, Am I
wrong about that To have an idealized version of four
you guys think.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I think like there was there was a really like
it's almost not you can't really know about it till
the moment has passed. But in that moment of like
those early days of UCB and and all of these warmers,
when I think about like you know who we were
with and who and also who was so supportive of us.
I mean, I think and that group is still still exists,
but like the early days before, he's one of the
(28:12):
people that brought everyone together. And yeah, Sarah Silverman was like,
you know, so supportive. Like there were so many women
that were like come on, like like cheering us on,
which was very cool. And yeah we were, I mean
we're definitely kind of a little bit in the right
place at the right time, but also working our butts
off at the same time. You know, when you're young,
(28:32):
so much fun. Yeah, like there was nothing else I'd
want to do, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I remember it was.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It was it a party environment as well, were you
guys like I mean, I guess you said, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
That's like the craziest. Like as far as uh, Ricky
and I on the road, we'd always joke with people.
People would always be like, hey, you want to come
out afterward, and we'd like, we're going to place Solitaire
on our iPads. Oh thank you. But there was something
about conserving energy and you know, being good for the
next day. But we're neither of us are are you know,
like party years at all?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Oh, I think that's quite interesting. I remember talking to Kristin.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Channon with I love her, She's great, right, and she
had and there's a Broadway Oh my god, loyalty for you,
And I remember talking to her about it. She's I mean,
she's very open and very lovely person, and she was
talking about I was talking to her about her life
off of the stage. Yeah, and she said something that's
always kind of stuck with me, which was.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
What I do requires rest.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I was like, oh, okay, So when I'm hanging around
a hotel room like a slob all day before I
go on stage, I'm like, what I do requires rest.
I got to feel like I got some energy for this.
I got to focus on it when I go and
do it. Is that that's the kind of the way
you felt on.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Tour, definitely. I Mean there was so much just like
like just chilling before the show because and in the
early days when we were just kind of building our
audience and we were doing two shows and I two
shows Friday, two show Saturday, meet and greets in between,
and then one show Sunday, and that's like by Monday.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I still do that.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You do. It's a lot. It kind of does require
you to just stay in your hotel during the day
and watch bad movies on TV.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And what's bad about it? As well as you?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I mean, I just came from San Francisco and it
was a beautiful weekend and I love San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It was sunny all day, but I.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Was doing two shows at nighttime, and I was like,
if I go out and do it, these shows are
going to suck because I'm going to tie. Totally understand
that I really want to go out, but I really
better know. But of course I'm almost sixty two years old,
so I really have to hold it down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
But it's about protecting protecting yourself and your energy and
also being there for your audience, you know. So yeah,
never should you should never feel guilt about staying in
your hotel.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I won't, And coming from a Catholic, I think is
you shouldn't feel good with guilt. Of course you are.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
It was programmed down airly. It's like you're a original Sino.
Right away, before you even go here, you were in trouble.
So what happened when did you spend a lot of
that time? Was that when you met your husband or
did you guys get together later on or.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I met my husband well, I mean we were Ricky
and I were touring for gosh, I don't know how
many years. I don't even I couldn't even tell you,
probably two thousand and nine to you know, eighteen. But
I met my husband in twenty and seventeen. We just
met on an app.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It's a very like blind no tell me about it,
because that all like I've been with my wife for
you know, way before apps and even smartphones. I think
almost the the but we that whole thing passed me by. Yeah,
I'm very glad to say. Actually, I think I worry
about that as I look at like my own son's
(31:47):
growing up, and I think that's how people meet.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
It is how people.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, and did you have a little profile.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
And oh yeah, well I had never done the app thing.
But then Rya came along, which is like the hot.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That Riya's the like you've got to be good looking,
a rich is that I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
It's I think it's I don't know how it works.
Even it's changed a bit, but at the time it
was like, oh, it's kind of this exclusive thing or
if you're an actor, or you know, like.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Oh, you're famous, you can go on and then it
won't be nobody's going to like take your thing and
embarrass you on Twitter.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
But yeah, I think that was the idea. I don't know, yeah,
and so I felt like, okay, I could try this.
That sounds exciting and I loved it. I had a
great time on that up and then you know, and
I would kind of like go on a bunch of
dates and then kind of like take a break from
it and go back. But I think like maybe a
year into being on the app, I met Jake, my husband,
and I was his first Riot date, and I remember saying,
(32:42):
I am sorry, like if you want to keep dating,
you should because there's like, you know, there's but but no,
we got serious pretty quickly. We moved in together very
quickly and got a dog, and you know, got married
a year into a year to the day of meeting,
we got married. But I was also, that's pretty good. Yeah,
(33:03):
I mean it was I dated a lot, and it
was you know, it's that cliche like, oh no, this
feels right. And I also, you know, he he knew
I wanted to have a kid, and so we're like, okay,
like clock is to you know, the cliche, every cliche
of that is.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It's only biology.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I mean, it's it's not it's not I mean, was
it that think Sarah silver And says it's rather lovely.
We're all just chemical, sweetie. Yeah, I mean, and you know,
if your clock is taking it really is. It's a
real thing. I mean it's like it sounds kind of sexist,
but is it, you know, I mean what it's were
you when your your baby was born.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
I was just a few months shy of forty, so
so yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It's fine, but it's it's I guess in terms of
human history.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, totally. I would have had a grand kid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well I look at that now.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I mean like here in la I was sixty two,
I could still be having care yeah no, But in
Scotland I'm grandpa.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I mean, it's it's a different thing.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
It is, and it's you know, I think our town
is definitely you know, everybody delays there there having a
family for their dreams, you know, I think, you know,
so I among my friends, I was one of the
first to have a kid of my friends, like my age,
which you know was probably way late for the compared
to the friends in my hometown.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Right, yeah, no, I get it.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
The thing is though about because the the real lesson
I think of.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I mean, I was thirty nine, so the same as
as you when my first kid was born.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
When he came along, it didn't happen right away, but
within six months I realized that the movie that I
had been in up until that point was all about me. Yep,
And suddenly there had been a change, and now I
was an extra in the movie that I used to
be starring at.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
It's really hard, isn't it. It's a change, especially if
you have the look I don't. I think I'm cursed
with too much of an ego.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
But it's bad. I mean, it's as bad as anybody has.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Everyone is an ego, everyone, and I guess I was
like I resisted it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, how was it for you?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
I think, well that and then the world stopped at
the same time, so it was a weird. It was like, okay, well,
nobody else was really doing anything right now except for
Zoom shows. Like it was like I didn't feel like
I was missing out. Oh god, doing comedy on Zoom.
Oh you can't. It was the worst I was like,
are they laughing? But then, but I think it's harder
(35:33):
to have kids when you're older for a lot of reasons.
But it's like I I got to experience like kind
of being this free person doing whatever I wanted really
like for a long time. I think people who have
kids when they're younger, for good or bad, like it's
just that's just part of their life then where it's
like whoa, whoa. I was just totally free.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
No, it comes another way because like my wife is
twenty years younger than me.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
So she was much younger when.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
She had right, she was much younger.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
And so what happened was that like now our youngest
is thirteen, okay, and he's kind of like doing what
teenage is doing, kind of pulling away a little bit.
I mean he's still you know, but he's pulling away
a little bit. And now she's in this position of
having been dealing with young because when she met, I
had a When we met, I had a three year
old okay, right, and so she I was like, you know,
(36:25):
here's your minivan.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
You know you're in her your eye, I don't have
time for this.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
She jumped in.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, she was like I'm in, let's go, and we're
still together. And then ten years later we had another baby,
and or nine years later we had another baby, and
actually six years later we had another baby.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
But so she's been dealing with that for a long time.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
But now she's, you know, in her forties, and now
she has some time.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
How is is it exciting?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I think it is.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
But I think it's it's like change, even if you
want it, it's tricky, you know, I mean, it's tricky.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It's a weird adjustment.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Yeah. Yeah, And I feel like I'm still trying to
figure out. I don't know if I ever will like
how how to like schedule my day and then still
be able to pick up my kid at school, Like
it's just there. The time is so limited.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It is. But and also just when you get used
to it changes again.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah yeah right.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
But was it changes?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
The law of God's mind and resistance to it is
the source of all pain?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
How do you do with professional ambition and the torment
of that given if desire is suffering, do you do
you feel fulfilled as an artist? Or is that because
at least a very strange place for that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
It is, and I feel like, I mean, we're at
a point right now where I think everyone's kind of
in this uh like question mark. Yeah. And but I
I love making. I feel like my fulfillment comes from
even making something small. And then I get excited like
if I if I write a song or if I
paint a picture, Like I it doesn't take much to
(38:08):
get me excited about creating. Like I just naturally create
a lot of things right when I'm like, you know,
like I said, in that dark time, I wasn't making
too much. But but like when I'm feeling good and
I'm making things, like I just get I'm happy. You know,
it's like it. And so I mean, there is the
matter of paying the bills. You know, I'm someone who's
you know, I've been fortunate that I can make a
(38:30):
living as an actor. But it's not you know, I'm
not it's a it's a day job. You know, I'm working.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Ideas about what.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
I remember going back home and running into a kid
from high school and he was like, Hey, you must
live in Malibu in a mansion, and I was like, no,
but I live in an apartment in Hollywood and I
have a roommate who lives.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
In Malibu and imagine people who work in the executive
position exactly.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
But I but I will say, like, it's, uh, it's
really for me. I you know, I just like creating things.
And if it's you know, creating things with friends, making
little cartoons, like that's where I'm not great at putting
it out there in the world to figure out, Okay,
how do I turn this little book I made into
some you know, like I'm trying to be better at that, right,
But the joy of making something is like, I don't know,
(39:21):
I'm very fulfilled by it. So and I guess in
a way that's lucky because I'm not you know, obviously,
I love acting and I love you know, when I
get a job and I get to be on set,
it's so much fun. But you know those things sometimes
can be months apart from each other for me.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, me too. I mean, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I was just talking to skol Akerman about this because
I asked him if he did any act. He said
maybe once a year, yeah, And I said, I'm the same,
And we both admit it's because it's about as much
as we can.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
It's like it's a stranger time.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
It's weird though as well, because I can't acting in
particular an odd one for me.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I have a trouble. It's taking it serious.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I feel like, and you were on a show like
in the in the in my mind, what was such
a great time for sitcoms and Drew Carey shows so great?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And it was it was It was such fun to
do it. Yeah, but it also.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Was really boring, was it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
And it was really fun.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
And if I remember it the way that you know,
sometimes I remember it's being really fun, but remember how
it actually was. It was really boring a lot of
the time. And because it's acting, there's a lot of
waiting around.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Yeah, there is that.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I wrote three four movies. Wow, I was doing that time.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Because there's so much downtime.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, it's just in my trailer and there wasn't Instagram,
so I couldn't film my day.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
With great But you actually wrote movies instead.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
That's another thing I was talking to Scott about that
that I wonder how much art is not getting past
the starting point because of social media.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
I think about that for myself all the time. Wow,
what what I have made with the time I have scrolled?
I don't like it's it's kind of messed up to
even think about, like, you know, but I think everybody
it's you know, it's that it is another drug. It's like, oh,
it's time to fight the power.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Though, I think I think that we have to stop
saying that it's cool, and we have to stop saying that.
We have to stop participating in our own demise.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
It's garbage. It's a fucking toilet wall, and we got
to stop.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
We gotta fight the fucking is tiny a little more
punk rock with that ship, Yeah, put it down and
pick up a fucking analog something, a paint brush.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
I literally just bought three new paint brushes today, just like.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, I'm excited that I need you fighting the power
fight back.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
I think, uh yeah, I try to do a thing
where it's like the posting Ghost, where it's like I
put it up, but then I don't look at it
anything else. But of course I'm not.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I'm not creatd I think that's kind of like saying,
if you're an alcoholic, I'll just one, or I'll just
have a shandy, or you know, I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I don't think it's possible, not for me. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I've tried it and I can. And the thing is,
I feel like the addictive nature of social media. I
don't know if it's late for you, but I think
it might be the most addictive thing I've come across.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
Yeah, I mean, we're fucking Instagram, man, I mean Jesus, Yeah,
with that thing.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
It will just suck ours out of your day.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
And and it's, uh, you know, you see people on
the streets, it's like, uh, you know, we're all kind
of just looking at this thing in our hand, and
it's you know, it's it's and you know what else
trips me out is then the ads that pop up.
We're like, I was just talking about that. Does that happen?
I don't know, are you?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Are you a conspiracy theorist? A little bit?
Speaker 4 (42:44):
I mean I think they're fun. I don't. I don't
know that. I like, yeah, I love to hear about
I don't know, I don't know who's listening but to
this No, no, I mean to our phones. But uh yeah.
The weirdest one for me was that I was I
juggling oranges by a pool and then a friend of mine,
(43:04):
can I just tull you?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Why were you juggingling oranges by a pool? Was it
something to do with entertaining children.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
No, it was just that there was an orange tree
by a pool. And then I was like, let me
juggle as one would. And then and then maybe five
minutes later, our friend goes, oh, my gosh, and he
shows us an ad and it's a it was a
bowl of oranges sitting by a pool, and we were like,
what what is that? Like, maybe it's coincidence, but it's
not coincidence. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
It's not coincidence. I can't believe. That's just not Paul.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, I think that. But you know in nineteen eighty four,
in the book nineteen eighty four when they talk about
the Tailey screens and they're everywhere.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
And I think, no, we just volunteered for it.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
They don't even have to put up screens to observe us.
We we observe ourselves. We walk around tailing on each
other all the time. I wonder about you. You escaped
this just I think. But young performers coming up now,
when they make mistakes, ever, it's forever.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
It is, and it's I don't I don't know. I
feel for that, Like I feel like, yeah, it's a
scary thing and putting, you know, putting thoughts out there,
putting jokes out there, like the freedom of that feels
it feels very scary, you know too much.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
It's like whenever there were good TV shows, I think
they always had good producers and a good producer.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Like I had a really good producer in late night.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
His name was Peter Lasally and he had like produced
Johnny Carson for thirty four Wow, and he did David
Letterman's transition over to CBS from NBC and all that,
and so he was he was a great producer.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
And not for what. He didn't tell me what to do,
You tell me what not to do.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Like I would say, a joke has a great joke,
and it's a great joke, but you want to do it? Yeah,
that's going to be he said. He had this phrase
which I loved. I think people on social media, me
and b I don't post anything on generic bullshit, but.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
He would always say there's always another joke. There's always
another joke.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
And I get angry at him because I didn't want
that to be true.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I wanted like to find that, you know, to be
more kind.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Of like I'm an artist. This is pure and you go, well,
if you're an nurist then it's pure, then you probably
wouldn't be working at CVS. Yeah, life, you know, you're
it's like you're working on a TV show and it's
kind of it's kind of strange. Do you do you
censor yourself?
Speaker 4 (45:40):
You know, I don't know that. I I don't need to.
I mean, I guess the thing I feel like what
we're my my place of making things, especially like you know,
the things I'll post these days is like I'll I'll
do a painting and I'll like speed it up, you know, right,
it's you know, there's nothing that I don't think any
one's gonna get mad about. Who knows, I mean people
(46:02):
get mad about everything.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Well, here's the thing, it's all a matter of time.
And say you post the picture like you do a
painting of a boat. Yeah right, So here's a boat
on the water and you speed up. It's a nice
picture of a boat on the warrants, it's oil on cabins,
it's beautiful. But unbeknownst to you, a news story has
just broke about a boat that sank.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, people were drowned, and now.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Your boat picture goes up has nothing to do with you,
but now you're an insensitive monster.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
Yeah that I mean I've seen versions of that yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Times all the time. Yeah, and it's like, but that's
not what I was doing. But because the zeitgeist has
it's a headless monster.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
It just yeah, it goes everywhere. So I'm trying to
bring back your depression.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Oh gosh, oh no, I feel like I get Yeah,
I'm gonna knock on my head and say, like, currently
that stuff that you're talking about, like it's I don't
think about it too much when posting, only because it
feels like what I'm you know, like it's mostly my
paintings or a song or something, you know, like a
(47:14):
song about my dogs, you know, but it's I feel like, yeah,
it's it's scary. I don't know what kind of dog
do you have. I don't know she we we adopted her.
I'm guessing a Maltese Ish thing. She's very sweet.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
I think that's a good answer.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah, if you.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
I mean, I know what the dogs I have, but
it's only because we always have these dogs.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 2 (47:37):
The German?
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Oh, those are very smart dogs.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
They're very smart, really smart.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, like you you can leave the house and say
I'll be back about six.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
They'll understand.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
It's just something light. No carbs.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
You have more than one, I have two and a
jack Russell. And do they how do they hang? Are
they okay?
Speaker 1 (47:56):
The Germans march up and down and the jack Russell
drinks too much. Stereotypes for where they're from.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
No, gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Shepherds are very kind of like it's time to go
to bad. The kids are letting a little like nudge
of them.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Oh that's so sweet, they know.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, it's kind of like, no, go over here. Yeah,
it's time for sleeping. And the jack Russell's are like,
let's all go fucking and they're kind of the pogues
of the dog. Well, but I do love it is
that you have a little dog. It's a little and
a little kid.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
And a little kid, and the little kid could care
less about the little dog. But the little dog wants
to protect our kids, so like she's she's like his guardian.
And even to your point of like really knowing what's up.
Like when he was little, she she would come up
and put her paw in my head and just wake
me up in the middle of the night. And she
would know that Mikey was hungry before I knew. Yeah,
(48:52):
very in tune. A sweet sweet dog.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
It is your dog.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
We think maybe nine or ten at this point. Yeah,
but yeah, she's she's a Yeah. I could tell she
she always wants to go with me wherever, but she
just right in my bed. No, she has a type
of dog that sits in a back like we fly
with her and no one ever knows. I mean, obviously
I still for her to fly, but like nobody would
ever know. Yeah. Well, actually I just got that perk
(49:20):
through jet Blue. So if I fly Jet Blue, no,
I don't have to be that's a fun thing.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I don't know because when I see people carrying their
dogs on the plane, I'm like, I assume that the
dog flies for free.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
It's usually like seventy five dollars or it doesn't get
a seat. But I but I fly Jet Blue mostly,
and so I got the dog perk. That's really exciting.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
The mint jet Blue where you get a single seat
on your own.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
I used to, but now with with a kid, we
just we do the three to three across in it.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, but that's the great thing about once you're a family,
that you don't have to go first class or try.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
And you just have a ro you're in first But yes,
mint Is I always loved Have you done the flight?
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Every parent does that pass through this thing where your
baby is the baby that's ruining the flight for everybody else.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
I'm gonna knock on. No, we know it happened.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Really yeah, well maybe not.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
He's four, but he's always been a great wire, like
we've been so lucky. Do you want to hear about
a crazy flight that I just had though? Sure, this
is a crazy story. We were visiting my aunt and uncle.
They live in Hawaii, that's where I was back in
the day, and they had never met Mikey, and so
we went over. There was a couple of weeks ago,
and on our flight back, we'd maybe twenty minutes out
of We just took off from ConA, heading to LA
(50:33):
and I'm on my computer doing work, and my son
is sleeping and Jake is sleeping, and then all of
a sudden, I smell gas and I look to the
person across the row from me, and he looks at
me and he goes, do you smell that? And I said, yeah,
you tell someone right away, and you hear people going,
I smell proping, I smell propane, and so I wake
up Jake and he hits the little like ding thing,
(50:55):
you know, and we hear the flight attendants are in
their seats for safety, and I'm right away, I'm but why,
But it's because we had just taken off like twenty
minutes prior. But they said, if it's an emergency, hit
it again. So hits it again and you see their
face as they come down the aisle and smell the
same propane. And the flight attendant was like, you know,
the good news is we're not that far from Hawaii
(51:15):
if we need to turn around. And I'm thinking turn
it around, like this can't be right, like something, and
I'm panicking, and I'm looking at my son, who's just
so sweet and sleeping, and I'm like, oh my gosh,
like we're over the ocean. What's going to happen? And
then I see she rushes to the phone to talk
to the pilot, and then she comes back and says,
everything's looking good on there end. If the smell doesn't
(51:37):
dissipate in five minutes, we'll reassess. And I am freaking out,
And then probably four minutes into it, We're all kind
of everyone's quiet and freaking out. But then it's like, wait,
the smell is going away. And then the pilot gets
on the speaker and says, for everyone who is concerned
about the smell of propane, it was a fruit. And
(51:58):
I'm like, there is no way that was a fruit.
By the way, we had to go through two different
fruit screenings.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
So of course, no way it was the fruit.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
Turns out it was a fruit called a durian. Did
you know somebody so these I looked it up. I
felt less crazy once I looked it up. It's caused
other flights to be delayed in things because it can
smell like propane. It can smell like a lot of
bad things. But it's illegal in some countries because it
smells so bad. And somebody got their fruit through two
fruit screenings and decided it was time to eat a
(52:28):
durian while on our flight.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
And are the people that wear short but bringing on
that that's a rage.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
It was so wild. I mean, I did feel a
little crazy because I went through so many emotions within
those you know, eight minutes, but it was it was
really scary, And it turns out it was a fruit. Yeah,
well all's well, that ends well yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
It's been lovely talking to.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
You, so much fun to talk to you. I feel
like we just kind of wandered around, but it was
really fun.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Thanks for having me lovely, Thanks for being here.
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