Lisa Loeb

First podcast of the new year. I hope you stay. I missed you. And what a coincidence my guest is the lovely Lisa Loeb, a singer-songwriter, musician, author and actress. What can't she do?! EnJOY!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now.
It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid
it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing
on a stage, telling comedy words. Come and see me,
buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and
see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones.

(00:21):
I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but
you should at least know what's happening, and it is.
The tour kicks off late September and goes through the
end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at
the Craig Ferguson Show dot Com slash tour. They're available
at the Craig Ferguson show dot Com slash tour or
at your local outlet in your region. My name is

(00:45):
Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I
talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness.
My guest today is some when I first met thirty
years ago, Bord. She's very, very talented, and very clever
and very funny. I always enjoy talking to her and

(01:08):
I always enjoyed listening to her, and I invite you
to do that right now. Join my guest today, Lisa. Look, everybody,
do you know what I'm very happy about Lisa, And
I'm going to tell you this right now. We both

(01:28):
look exactly the same as we did when we first met.
Well you do, actually, which is kind of I've kind
of got a little squiggly around the edges, but you
look exactly the same. You're still the youthful songstress that
I don't know if you remember this. We first met
when I was doing the Drew Carey Show. Do you
remember that when you were right?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
And I got to be a guitar player? I mean
I am one, but I got to play myself. I've
been seeing that on socials lately. Some of the people
I forgot were on there, like Slash, Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Wall was there, Joe Watsh and I became pals after that. Cool.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I've met him a couple of times, but we didn't
actually become like friends yet.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I remember when we met him.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
We met him someplace, my husband and I and I said,
oh my gosh, this is so cool. We get to
meet you, and He's like yeah, right, or he was
like yeah, We're like, yeah, it is cool to meet you.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
He's very, very fun. Once I was doing a I
got a job doing a working on it. As a
long story, but I got a job working doing a
script with Mick Jagger, and so I had to leave
the Drew Carey Show and go and be on tour
with Rolling Stones for a little bit. And everybody was saying, oh,
say tell Mike. I said Hi, Tell Mike. I said Hi.
And then Joe was there and he said tell Mike.

(02:43):
I said Hi, and I went, oh, yeah, you actually
mean tail make. I said like like, yeah, yeah, I've
known him for years. That's so cool.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I didn't know you, did you? What happened with the
Did anything happen with the Rolling Stones? Mick Jagger thing?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Meccad the idea for a screenplay, and I had written
a movie that he liked, so then uh, he go
he hired me to write this movie and I wrote
two drafts of it, and then I go fired and
the movie never goes made. But that happens.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
He's taller than I thought. He's taller than I thought.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
We have told you. I always thought he was Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I know exactly, but but he's taller though, like I've
met him once and then I also had a sighting
of him. I met him in the studio once I
was visiting. Dawn was the producer and uh yeah yeah,
and he he was like he had been working with
Mick Jagger a lot, I guess, or he was in
the studio. So he was like, let's go out there,
and like we knock on the door. We're like, is
he in there? And we're our ears to the door,

(03:43):
although you can't hear anything because it's a really huge studio,
you know, with like the super doors. But anyway, we're
trying to listen and he wasn't there. So we opened
the door and he was in there with what's his
name from Eurythmics, Dave Stewart who he was working with.
And I was trying to be cool, so I first
introduced myself to like the guy working at pro Tools
on the computer and the other assistant and then like

(04:03):
the third assistant, and I was just going around the room.
I wasn't trying to prioritize Mick Jagger and Dave Stuart.
But then I got to make Jagger and he was
he was what I'm five two, so everybody seems you
know taller.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Well.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
See, this is an interesting lesson and perspective because the
first time I met Mick Jagger, i met him I
had to fly to Istambul because they were doing the
bridges to Babylon too. It oh yeah, And I met
him there and I was very tired of jet like
by the time I met him. And he opened it
a tail room door and he was so riddle that
I said, oh, you're adorable. And I very much regretted

(04:37):
saying that right away. But and you said it to
a thing you said it to Yeah, I said it
out loud, like like I still done the job.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
What are we thinking?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I don't know. I think sometimes when you meet super
famous people and they've been super famous since a long since,
like you were a kid, then it's hard to compute,
you know what I mean, Like you're super fa and
it's I'm very comfortable talking with you because I've talked
to you lots of different times over the years. And
if you meet people who were famous when you were

(05:07):
a kid, it's a different thing.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
I did that recently. Who did I talk to? And
I walked up to them and I said, gosh, who
was it? I have to remember. I said, oh my gosh,
you're so cute. Can I squish your face?

Speaker 1 (05:17):
And it was.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Somebody like, what am I squishing? Something like squishing their
face with my hands?

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Who was that? I don't think I'm going to say, Robert,
but you.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I also and I can't remember this.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I can't remember if I met you first, or if
my parents somehow met you first backstage and one of
your shows in Dallas. I may have been on your
show once and then maybe connected you guys, I don't know,
and then I was on your show again. I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I don't really remember the order, but I do remember
your parents, because people's parents come and see me. Yeah,
to this day, it's a thing. I was doing a
meet and greet after a show, like a couple of
weeks ago, and this lady with a very familiar face
said to me, do you know my my son is
an actor? And I went, I know it was your
son's name, and she said Wess and I looked at

(06:06):
her visit with you're Wes Bentley's mom. She went, yeah,
have you heard of my son? My son? But she
was it was very lovely, but she really Wes Bentley
really looks like it's mom, Oh my god, that's all
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
That's so amazing. It's you just you never know who
you're going to meet. I'm trying to look to see
on my phone who I met, who I squished their face,
And I was like, I can't believe that was like
the first Oh, I know it was.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
It was a music festival. It was this huge music festival.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
And the last minute I was playing there with my
band like a couple of months ago, and at the
last minute, they said, oh, hey, do you want to
co host this cooking segment right before you play with
this you know TV chef and Jason ahwa is the
kid from American Pie.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
This kid Jason Isaacs, No I want to say.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'll tell you and uh. And I had never met
him before and I was like, oh, uh, I'm terrible
with names. That's another really, Oh, Jason Biggs, this guy
showing you you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, I do know what you mean. I know Jason Biggs,
and he would be okay with you. This question is
faint that guy?

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah he doesn't really.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I didn't know he did cooking segments.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, he does cooking segments.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I think he had a cooking something something I
don't know, and I had a cooking show on Food
Network as well, and it was really fun. It's a
very fun thing to do to cook on Do you
still do that?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Do you still do all the cook and stuff? I do?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean in real life, I do.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I think I do, although my kids lately they're like, uh,
chicken tika masala again. I'm like, I'm you know, I'm
trying hard. I'm a human. I'm not just like a mom.
I'm a human. I'm trying really hard to make food.
I think it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
So funny to me because I hear you say, you know,
you talk to your kids and you're a mom. But
to me, you're like, you know, you're twenty eight years old,
and I I see you in the Drew Carry Show.
It's like, I think of my sale. I'm like, I'm
forty two and my kids are just little. But that's
not true any know. My kids have grown up and
I think I'm an asshole.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
You're the worst person ever, right, Yeah, I feel like
clavely in Los Angeles. I've definitely felt things shifting, and
it may be because I'm wearing black sweats a lot,
just a nice black sweatpants. I always feel like Oprah
Winfrey at some point said, don't leave your house looking like,
I don't know what like. You need to be basically
put together. So I'm put together, like black sweats, sneakers,

(08:32):
black T shirt, and a lot of salespeople lately when
I'm with my kids are like, mom, hy mom. They
call me mom, like at Verizon car Mom, Yeah, mom,
what do you think of that?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm the mom. I mean I am.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
You know, once I was standing with one of my
boys at Galson's. You know, Gelson's right near my house,
right near your house, right, So where are you at?
Which one were you in here? Well, at that time
it was the one just like on the top, like
the bottom of beach, would that area? Yeah? Right, So
I'm at the Gelson's and I was standing with my
oldest son, who at the time I think was about fifteen. Yeah,

(09:08):
And we were standing there and I saw this girl
look at him as she was going by, and then
she just went by. She looked at him and she
went by, and I went, oh my god, something just happened.
Somebody just saw It wasn't a guy with his kid.
She saw a guy with his dad. It was I
wasn't the guy anymore. It was like he was the

(09:29):
guy and I was the appendage. And I was like,
oh man, that is a shift. But it is, you know,
it's just there. It happens. It's the natural order of things.
Well is it your kids now?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I was just about to ask you that my kids
are My daughter just turned fifteen, she's in ninth grade,
and my son is twelve.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
How about you see that's well I'm a little further
down the line.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well maybe I waited a long time.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, I did. Two, I did too, id a long
time in between. My oldest is twenty three, okay, and
my youngest is thirteen.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Oh wow yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
But Scottish people are like, you know, there's big orchids
in the jungle that just explode every ten years and
everything around them gets pregnant. That's what Scottish people do.
They have sex once every ten years. They have to
go to their home planet like spot and then that's
how they make So I have My boys are almost
ten years apart, nine and a half years apart, which
I think is it works for them. Like my wife

(10:26):
always says, It's like you have a Kirk and a Spock,
but you better have the Spock first, because if you
have the Kirk first, you won't have any other. You
gotta spoke then Kirk. And that's what we got you.
They nerd to your wife's nerd.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
She's like to talk about, okaying, we have Star Wars
wallpaper in our bathroom. That's a different star show.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I have.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I've got two very unique, different kids. Although when they
were younger, my son was on the taller side and
people used to think they were twins, but not. And
now my daughter is taller than I am, and my
son just yesterday stood next to me and he's a
tiny bit taller than I am. I think I knew
at some point I was going to be looking up
at them and pointing my finger saying it's time for bed.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
You get to bed.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
You have to behave yourself and don't smoke cigarette. And
now my parents used to say make sure. My mom
would say make sure you come home at eleven, but
be real quiet because we're going to be asleep. I
was like, mm, yeah, I'll be home at eleven, Yeah, I'll.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Be I was. I came in at eleven. But you
guys were asleep.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
You are sleeping, so you didn't know.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, well you are a wild kid. You are not wild.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
When I was not a wild I was.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
I was.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I was a very studious kid. I was a kid
who had a million different things that I love to do.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I was.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I was a dancer and an actor and a had
I was a DJ on the radio, and I would
I DJ parties. I'm carry in all these big creates
of records. I did a lot of extracurriculars, acting in
musical theater and theater and music. But I did I
did you spain though? That was when DJ's put records

(12:07):
on and then gave O private. It was like a
soft cup but in the eighties, and like I'd play
like a deep cut from Duran Duran, and we'd played
like the Chauffeur instead of just Hungry like the Wolf,
which we danced to with the dance troupe at the
boys school. And I was right in the front row
and my friends who were in bands with me were
right in the front row at this boys school where
we were dancing with our dance troupe from the girls'

(12:29):
school to Hungry like the wolf wearing leotards and tatters
and rags, and I thought, you know what, I can't
be in the dance troup anymore doing these sexy dances
at the boys' school.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
This is not I can't do this.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
It sounds like a recipe for disaster. It was just
not girls from the girls school dance from the boys
of the boys school.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, I was just it was I had to stop.
I just had to focus on writing music and getting
out of there. But I also, you know, I went
to Spain one summer between what was it sophomore and
junior year. I lived in Quenca. It was a little
town called Quenca, a few hours outside of Madrid, and
it had a famous museums called.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Lassas call Godas, and.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
We lived with families and we legally drank beer and
rode on the back of motorcycles, little scooters and motorcycles, and.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
It was so European. I was so European.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
So when I came back from Spain, I was way
more European than I had been before I left for Spain.
And my friends and I love to go see bands
play and we would sneak out, and you know, I
wasn't I wasn't getting caught. I wasn't terrible, but I
wasn't getting caught either.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well, you grew up in Dallas, the right in Dallas,
and do you see some pretty big acts coming through there?
Oh yeah, you were a kid.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
We saw everybody.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
We saw it.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, I don't know why, I keep thinking. I was
thinking dire Straights. You know, the police goes to the
machine tour we saw. I remember seeing Grace Jones at
this place called the Start Club, and I also remember
that might have been after high school.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
And then I remember seeing what's the band name used
in me?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Right round baby, right at the same place. You had
to go see them at the Start Club, this club
that we probably shouldn't have been in. We were probably underage,
but we would sneak in. And it was the first
time I was like, wait, there's no band. He's singing
with the microphone and I can hear the music, but
there's no musicians. And I realized that that is a track.

(14:22):
He's singing to a track. But that was fun. But
I saw so many bands play. Oh my gosh, it
was amazing. I loved it.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I did the low of that too. I saw everybody. Man,
I saw a boy in the Little Tour. I saw Queen,
I saw the four oh before before What Before a
Night in the All Price. I saw them on the
Sheer Heart type. I was like a young guy, I'm
sixty two years old.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I'm like a hard I'm close years old, that's so close.
I was at Live Aid in London. I happened to
be studying acting that summer in London at the National
Youth Theater of Great Britain, making an American musical. I
don't know why they had his doing an American musical,
but anyway, I said, you know, there's this big show
coming through called Live Aid.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
And I got a couple of friends with me to
go on the tube.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
I'm so British now and to go to get We
bought tickets and we went and we saw, we were there.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
We saw all of everybody, Bowie.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
And Thomas Dolby playing with Bowie, which not Thomas Dolby. Yeah,
Thomas Dolby played with Bowie on that show. Which I
saw was that she blinded me with science. That was
right flat Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Wait, who else did you see? Who else did you see?

Speaker 1 (15:30):
I saw the Pistols, I saw the.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
Stranglers, so the damn the so the I mean like
some yeah, I saw that's amazing with Lamy.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Oh me, yeah, I saw Hope when with Lamy when
I I think I was my first concert actually when
I was thirteen. I saw Hope when when they were
playing cellver Machine and they used to have a dancer
called Stasia who is a lady who would dance with
her and she would take her tollpof And we were
thirteen year old boys and we would see Stacia dancing

(16:06):
with her tollpoff.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
It was you loved music, you loved going to see music.
I loved music like old boys of that age. I
loved Stasia as well. She was I don't think that's
allowed now. I think that would be frowned upon and modern. Well,
it depends on who's doing it. So who's doing it,
It depends on who. It depends on who decides to

(16:27):
do it. You know, if the artist decides it may
be different. I want to go see Billie Eilish yet
last night with my daughter. Oh yeah, yeah, it was amazing.
It was amazing. Actually I've never seen and I saw,
you know, not to necessarily compare them, but they're two
big arena shows. I saw Taylor Swift a few, you
know in this last Eras tour, which was amazing and beautiful,

(16:49):
and I saw I've seen Pink and it's amazing. But
the lighting it was so unique. I've never seen anything
like that. It's very intense. But she kept her clothes on,
for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, I think that's okay.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I mean, if she had decided not to, it probably
also would have been okay.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
But she would have had to decide. I think that's good. Well,
I think I don't know who who was deciding for anything.
I think a lot of people when I saw Halt
when when I was thirteen, I wasn't but I think
a lot of people were on very powerful narcotics at
that point in their lives, and their decision making process
may have been impaired. The drugs were deciding, the drugs

(17:28):
were decided. It's funny that it's a real I mean,
quite seriously, though, it's a trap for young musicians, or
used to be. It seems to be that young musicians
now are a little more ambitious and work focused, career
focused than they used to be. Is that true? Do
you think?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I think in some ways I think they are, and
I think they understand this concept that they're going to
have many jobs.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
It used to be.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I'm sure it was the same with you, you know,
being in entertainment and comedy and acting and writing. You
didn't want to say, like, oh, and I'm also I
wor at this store, or I also created this idea,
or I also teach or you know. Now kids do
a lot of different things, Like they might be teaching
and then they're in their band, or they might have
a real job and then they also have an entertainment job,

(18:13):
and it's not taboo. But I think back in those days,
you wanted to do one thing, or you weren't serious.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
You know, you were a diletant, that's right, Yeah, you
were a tourist if you were fully committed to it.
I don't know, man, it seems such a funny thing
because I came up being, you know, I was a drummer,
so I always kind of thought that was going to
be my life. I would just be in bands my
whole life, and then I would probably die when I
was twenty five, which I think if I stayed drumming

(18:39):
that that's possibly.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
But wait, what kind of music were you playing?

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I was playing punk rock, music, okay, which was that genre.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
I've heard of that genre.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
It's a genre that was popular amongst the young folks
when I was young, and it was very forgiving of
the lifestyle I had at the time, so it fit
right into my leisure activities to be amongst punk rock artists.
It worked really well for me. But I don't think
it has any real longevity about it, as I don't

(19:15):
know if there are even punk rock bands around.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
But now they're like, yeah, the guys that I know
who are in more of the kind of punky bands,
it's more of a sound than a lifestyle. It's you know,
it's more like the emotion and the sound. And some
of the guys I know who are in the more
punk bands, they are straight edge. They call it straight edge.
You know, they're super sober, very pro sober. I am
not straight edge. I just don't drink very much. I

(19:40):
never get around to it, and I just am too busy.
Every once in a while, I keep trying to drink
champagne more and then I'm really tired the next day
because I had champagne.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
And so that's fabulous.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, it's kind of like it's not that's all my
friends and I used to make up. When the new
year came around, we tried to make some kind of
a promise based on a rhyme with the number like
in twenty twenty. Well it wasn't a rhyme, but I
was like, in twenty twenty, I'm going to see people
in person because like vision like twenty twenty. And then
that was the year of the COVID, so like starting

(20:20):
in nineteen ninety four. I remember my friend Amy and
I said more in ninety four, which was like more drinking,
and we just never got back around to it yet.
That was the thirty years ago, twenty four. I tried
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well five, let me drink until I'm not alive. Yeah,
well then that might be too much.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's a lot of words and I don't want to do.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
But I remember once I bumped you in. I think
it might have been even in Dallas airport, maybe Danver
or something.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yes, that's right, if you were Denver maybe because maybe
those great stores like Fudge.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I don't remember the I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
I'm thinking of Denver like this. They've got a really
good airport with like bookstores and Fudge. I feel like
last time I've been there. The last couple of times,
they've been doing construction. But maybe that's the Atlanta or Atlanta.
Was it Atlanta where you can get second Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I remember because you were walking through looking very romantic
and clever, and your guitar was strapped to your back,
and I was like, oh my god, look at that girls.
She's so great. She kind of like just lives her
fucking life, man. And I was so impressed by how
you were just like traveling from one place and going
to another place and living the vagabond life and playing music.

(21:49):
I was very jealous. I'm very impressed at the same
time because I think by then, you're.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
On your book tour. That's right, you're on your book tour.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
That's right. I was selling. I was selling a book,
which you know, you got to write books. That's a thing.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, that's hard to write books.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I just read it, but it's not a long it's
a children's book, but I'm waiting to hear back from
a publisher.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
You go into that a little bit with the music
as well, though, haven't you been doing like the recent
thing with.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Fin for twenty years or more? I have been making
children's music. I can't believe it. I know somebody said
she just got into children's music. It was in some
Billboard thing, and I was like, well, it was cool
to be in the company of John Legend who just
made a children's record, a really beautiful children a great
children's record. But I was like, I think I've been
doing this for twenty years now. Let me see you.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Never doing it before you had your own kids.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Oh way before. I didn't even know about kids. I didn't.
I wasn't really, it was, oh my gosh, twenty one
years ago. I put out that record, the first kids record.
I was asked by Barnes and Noble. It was like
a cool opportunity, like a neat business thing. They said, well,
you do a record that's different from your regular records,
and we'll sell it exclusively at Barnes and Noble.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
And I thought that was great.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
You know, it's hard to sell things and how people
know about them, and I thought that was great.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
I love books, bookstores.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
And so I made they.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
We ended up deciding to make a children's record as
my thing that was different, And really it was because
I'm a nostalgic person and I liked my childhood and
I wanted to sort of live inside that world and
make music like the kind of things we listened to,
or I listened to when I was little. There was
a lot of music that sounded like seventies soft pop

(23:37):
and summer camp songs and grown up songs that you
couldn't tell if they were for grown ups or kids,
you know, like the like I'd watch this TV show
Fernwood Tonight, or the Sonny and Share Show, things that
were like funny and whimsical and.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Weird, and the old Sesame Street.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I wanted to make stuff like that, So I started
making kids records, and I had Kids Day.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
A really great version of Big Rock Candy.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, that's my friend Liz, just like that was my
first kids record. So my friend Liz I was produced
the record. Elizabeth Mitchell. She was my freshman roommate. We
had a band together for six years in college, like
a regular band. We had a band in college and beyond,
and then we went our separate directions and she was
in a she is in it like an indie rock band.
Her husband was in a punk band. And she also

(24:26):
made kids music, very well known kids music, and she's
so good at it. And I asked if she would
make this record with me. So we made that first
record together and she she you know, we did it
at their studio, and she's so good at making songs
like that.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
So that was the first kids record. But I had
no that's a that's a weird.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Song, Big Rock Candy Moon, because I always think that's
laced with such terrible sadness and weirdness about it, you know,
because it's like a hubu kind of you know, hopeful
song about it. It's going to be all right, don't worry,
you know.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's somebody's dog is going to die. Yeah, the fire
will go out. But it's so sad. I love that.
That that really longing sad, you know. Yeah, it's the
dream and the sky like right before the person dies.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah. Have you ever been to Scandinavia? Yes? Have you
been to Stockholm?

Speaker 6 (25:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I have? Have you been to the Children's Museum in Stockholm?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
No, I have to go back.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I went to go see The Titanic, the movie, and
I came out I hadn't seen it. I saw it
like two years after it came out in Stockholm. And
we came out at like eleven at night and it
was still light up still light.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah. Wait, the children and Stockholm is one of the
saddest places I have ever been in my life. It
is so so traumatizing. Why they have a children's story
in Sweden. I don't even want to talk about how
sad it is, but it's basically about a couple of
brothers who starved to death and how it's dreadful. But

(26:00):
they're very fond of it in Sweden. And they've got
a little train that takes you around all the puppets
as I was going to all those puppets and little things,
and then you go around and then at the end
of everybody's dead. You're like, what hell is people? And
then you talk to Swedish people like, oh, yeah, it's
very beautiful museum, Like what's wrong with your people? He's dead?

(26:23):
They're like, yes, it's odd, but you know, this is live.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
I think about Sweden a lot because that was the
first place I was. We stated at a hotel called
the Leidmar Hotel a couple of times and it was
very it was very Scandinavian.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
It was like, you know, being at Ikia. They do
that like a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And I remember I was like, you know what I
like they had the king sized bed but with two
separate coverless, two separate comforters, so you can have your
own covers, you own.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Space, and a king sized bed.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I love that. I think that's because they are nude.
Law Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Maybe the snow like they go on the snow nude
and then they do long distance that skiing. They were
going to take me cross country skiing. They promised me
blueberry soup. I never got it.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, you know, probably for the best. And I think
that's what the people died of in the museum. They
died of blueberry soup poisoning. But they have marvelous thighs
because of their because of the cross country skating. And
I felt short. I was short. I was.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
All the women now that I knew, were very tall,
and the men were shorter. Yeah that is true over that,
but handsome, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, short handsome men who you know, if they make
it through childhood, lived a rifle d age.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
With nice thies. Yeah, beautiful thighs.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I heard that on the Today Show. It's all about
the thigh meat. That's what they said on the Today
Show one summer. But the shorts were getting shorter for
men then, and the guy. The stylist was like, it's
all about the thigh meat this year. I was like,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I can't believe that a person would say.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I know, it's awesome, unlike the Today Show it was good.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, I feel like I feel like that's an unusual
choice of words to describe a human's legs. But well,
you know what, thy me is fine. I work on
my own fi me. But did you when you had
your on kids so, did it changed the kid's music
for you? Did? Because yes, you know, yeah, I thought

(28:24):
it much. It changed a lot. It changed so much.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Because I started off writing, I made a few a
handful of records. I made the record with Liz, which
had a lot of songs like Big Rock, Candy Mountain,
and some original songs. And then I wasn't sure if
I was making more kids music, but I just I
was getting a lot of people asking me, what's your
next kids record? And I made a summer camp songs
record called Camp Lisa, which also inspired a kid's musical
an off Broadway show. And I loved Summer Camp and

(28:49):
we wrote all these songs, like the Disappointing Pancake that
was inspired by on top of spaghetti like a long
inanimate food object, adventure song, all these songs and I
love them so much, and they had all these words.
And then I made songs for moving and Shaken, which
was also a book, and Silly Songs, which was also
a book. And then I actually had kids who were

(29:10):
old enough to talk, and they and I started playing
more kids concerts, and it turned out kids don't really
want to hear a lot of songs with a lot
of words that they don't know. I was filling in
the set with songs like the ABC's and Twinkle Twinkle,
Little Star, and they were like grown ups. They were
kind of like, finally something I know, Like finally something

(29:30):
I can listen to and sing along to, Like all
those other songs you're playing, they're just kidding. So I
made like alphabet like I started making nursery rhymes and
alphabet songs and things like that the kids actually wanted
to hear.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
And then I decided to do it.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I got to that with my kids when they might
be giants, that those kids album Super Cool, which were Yeah,
my kids listened to your stuff, and they listened to
them they might be giants because I wouldn't let them
listen to like regular really yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Clankety plunk, Yeah, you listen to the real music's yeah,
unless it's on, unless it's like hilariously on purpose. But yeah,
my kids listened to you know, they loved. My son
would cry. It's either my son or my daughter would
cry if I didn't play them September by Earth Wind
and Fire if I changed the station now like put
it back on. You know, they wanted to hear real.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
My youngest was like that about Atmospheres by Joy Division,
So yeah, you're like, really okay.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
And also, if you could turn back time to the
good dog Chase, who's that? When mom must say it's
they loved uh?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
And food Fighters and uh, you know all right, I
thought you were saying, if I could turn back.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
I'm listening to shares autobiography right now.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
It's so good. Which did she read her autobiography?

Speaker 2 (30:57):
She does the entrances. I'm not going to read this.
I've got she she had dyslexia. She said, I'm not
going to I can't do a Share voice. But she
said she wasn't going to read it. And she has
other people. And then I'm a little confused because one
of the people who's reading it has a very slow
reading of her book, so I speed it up because
I'm like, I can't wait for the pauses. And the
other person is either Share or what I thought it

(31:17):
was was the woman who played Share in the movie
who sounds like Share. Remember there was like a Share
biopic at some point a long time ago, and this
woman sounds like Share or it is Sharon.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I was confused. I thought Cher said she wasn't going
to read it herself.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, you know that's the thing about Share though. She
I mean, she's Ziggs when we zag. She may have
said I'm not going to read it, She's going to
read it, but she shared she can do what she wants.
You ever met Sha, I have, and I cried.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
I met both two of my childhood, childhood people that
I loved so much, my childhood music heroes. I met
Cher and Olivia Newton John the same day at a
music festival, and I just the teer, I like, I
have a tear in my I was I.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Can't believe it. I couldn't believe it. Share was so cool.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
She had such crazy outfits, and she did a cover
of Jimmy Hendricks Heye Joe and her outfits. When I
was a kid, we dressed our barbies up as Sunny
and Share, especially Share and Alton John.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's so funny because these Have.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
You met her before?

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Have you spoken to her to share? Yeah? Yeah, I
met Scher once years and years ago. I was doing
this dumb music show in the UK and I was
hosting it, and for some reason, she agreed to do
this little sit down interview thing. I could barely speak
because you know, I'd never this before. I did Late Night.

(32:41):
I mean, but the thing I did Late Night, I
was so jaded. Not may everybody, it didn't matter, but
this was I was like, I think it was like
twenty seven or something, and I met Sher and she
was she was very very kind. That's the only thing
I remember that she was like. She was helpful, and
I think I think it was because I so non
threatening of an individual. She was very kind and very

(33:05):
patient and helped the interview happen. But I don't know
where that interview is now or where it was, but
she was I just remember being really lovely and gracious.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
What was that like though, in the nineties, Like that
was in the nineties, right or late eighties, nineties.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, yeah, it would be early nineties.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, in the nineties, I felt like there was a
lot of coolness from the journalists and the TV people,
you know, trying to be cool like cool music people. True,
So how did that feel from your end being an
interviewer back then? Like I feel like when you were
a late night talk show host, you have a sense
of humor and you can kind of nudge people and
because you have a funny and you can joke around

(33:44):
with them and give them a hard time, but it's kind.
You know, it's kind. You're doing it to be kind
and funny. But back then, when you're interviewing at people
and you're a music person, we're trying to be cool.
Like how did that work? Especially when you meet somebody
that you're a fan of, like trying to be cool
but also doing your job but also trying not to
be too into anything because you're.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Cool, Like, how did that feel?

Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's a youth thing. It's funny. I talked to you know,
the film critic Ao Scott at New York Times, So
I've talked to him about that because he used to
say when he was young, if he saw a bad
movie when he was young, he would take it as
a personal affront, like he would get so angry if
he saw a bad movie and he looks back on
it now and think, hell was wrong with me. And

(34:31):
I feel a little bit like that about my attitude
back then when I was when I was younger, that
I thought I was so I don't know, important, or
or I was very It's not that I was aggressive
with anyone, because I wasn't. But I think I thought
I was cooler than everybody else. And now I think

(34:53):
by the time you get to about mid thirties, you
realize you're nowhere near as cool as many of the
people you talk And then when you but the time
you have your own children, do you really cool at all?

Speaker 2 (35:03):
And then after that you're just like, Oh, you don't care.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
You just don't. It's not it's not a concern, it's
not on your mind.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
It really isn't. It kind of becomes something else. I
think it becomes about I have a very good friend
who has a similar art and a similar job to you.
Do you know Katie Tonstall? Oh? Yeah, she's great, right.
So Katie and I have very good friends. And I
watched Katie sometimes play, and I just love to watch
her play. I just love to watch her like, yeah,

(35:35):
lose herself in the thing. And I feel the same
way about actors that I enjoy, or actors and musicians
or even or comedians or painters. Even if you look
at a painting and you can kind of forget about
who's doing it and just enjoy what it is. Yeah,
I think that's fabulous. I think that the art becomes

(35:58):
more important than the art to me as I get older.
It's like just the actual the sensation of it, particularly
now as well if it's live. Oh yeah, I'm very
analogue friendly now, I don't. I keep saying that my
kids put the phone down. Put the phone down. Put
the phone down, because let's allow your memory to remember

(36:19):
it rather than the phone. Yeah, you know, why would
you trust your the phone will remember it properly? But
that's not the best way to remember things. Sometimes maybe
it's better to remember them through the haze of you know,
something else, like actually human memory, yeah, rather than I
need a little bit of both though, because like I've
been recently going through all my old photo albums and

(36:40):
finally starting to have them digitized, you know, so that
I can easily also now because with social media and
connecting with fans.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
It's a fun and.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Easy way to to you know, have things to talk
about and share memories. It's fun to say like, oh
my gosh, I m to share look at this picture.
This is so cool. But but at this and like
last night at the at the Billie Eilish concert, it
was it was stunning visually, it was stunning, and also
her voice and the music even they had so much

(37:10):
bass and some of the songs you could feel your
body rattling in this in this big arena, you know,
and a lot of people have their phones out to
try to capture the pictures and uh on money, and
I wanted to capture it. Back then, I was like
why I did exactly what you said. I just sat
and I just took it in but here. But finally,

(37:30):
at one point I did take a picture because it
was sweet. It was she brought her brother Phineas up
for a couple of songs and it was just so sweet,
like the two siblings and the mom I know was
sitting across the arena and I was like, this is
so sweet. I want to remember at all that I
was there, because I will go through my phone and
find photos.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
I'm like, oh my gosh, that's right, that happened.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
But you're right.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Also, I spend the majority of my time either stressed
about my kids being on devices or I get there's
a million things that are interesting on the phone. But
also I'm like, I am, I'm letting their brains rot,
Like I'm not what's going on. They need to sit
and they think this is stand in line and look
at the post office for a while, or you know,
one of those things.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
It's funny though, I mean, I think one of the
weird things about being the parent of children that are
getting order is you start to worry about someone else's
use of phones, or someone else's drug and take or
someone else's alcohol youth. It's like, I've worried about my own,
you know, kind of adult behavior since since I was

(38:39):
a kid. But now you have to worry about you know,
you know, everything has phantdoel in it. Ohll that's really scary.
Oh my god, I don't remember when you were a kid.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
That's the other thing that's strange is like seeing, you know,
my daughter get to an age that I remember I
was a person when I was fourteen fifteen, I was
a person and I'm still really good friends with my
friends from that age group, Like, we're still really really
good friends. So if I don't remember something, my friend
will tell me, like we still remember conversations we had
when we were fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. It's do you remember

(39:12):
yourself when you were that age, Like, do you remember
being I do?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I do. I mean, I don't remember it very fondly.
I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't the happiest time in
my life. My early adult life was not something I
look back on with the particular.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, I read your book. I read your book. Yeah
you did, Yeah I did. Now that i'm thinking about it,
I did read it, of course I did.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I'm going to read it again.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Did you read it? Can I get it on autio?
I did read it, and you tell me it again?

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, I did you read your book?

Speaker 3 (39:44):
My book?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
My book is not out yet. I've got two books
that are just read it. It's short, hopefully it'll be out,
and I don't even know if it'll be. It's a
kid's book, so it'll be short.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
But well, well you write, I know it's a biography.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I was thinking about it at some point, but I'm
so private. I don't, you know, one of myself. I've
got siblings, they don't I don't need to tell their stories.
But at one point I was thinking of telling a
story through food and eating and food.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
So that's a pretty nice That's a nice way of
doing it because people connect in November. Things like that, Yeah,
a good way. Like if I was doing the autobiography now,
I look back on it. Weirdly enough, I kind of
looked at it fairly recently, the one I wrote when
we met on the Bookdore, which is about ten years ago,
so I'm saying more. And I looked at it recently.
Someone that i'd brought it to a show for me

(40:35):
signed and I kind of looked at a couple of
pages and I was like, I don't know if I
would put it like that now. I don't know if
I would be quite so unguarded about that now, because
I don't know. I feel like information you have to
be more careful about it now. You don't feel it
can be you know, I don't know. I just don't,
especially about other people. I would talk about other people

(40:58):
as much. I think that's unfair, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
I know I wanted to do a TV show or
even well, I guess it would be perfect for a
YouTube thing. I had the idea before YouTube was really
a thing. But I meet so many really interesting musicians
who are in other people's bands, you know, who play
in these amazing bands, and I thought it'd be so
cool to have these guys, you know, talk to them
and talk to them about their experiences and just they

(41:21):
have crazy stories. But then I was like, but they're
not exactly their stories to tell, you know, But I
don't know, I don't know how that works. Like I
was reading Barbara Streisand's book I had. I was listening
to it. I've listened to about, I don't know, fifteen
hours of it. It's like a forty hour book, right,
And then I realized she was going so in depth

(41:41):
on all the movies that she directed or that she
had been a part of, and I realized I needed
to go back and watch some of those movies. If
she's going to go, you know, go that in depth.
I want to be able to know what she's talking
about and also not have a spoiler. But anyway, she
talks about people, a lot of people, and you know,
she's like completely honest. Also, Henry Winkler, I just read

(42:01):
his autobiography.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Oh he's the greatest, and I listened to him.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
I listened to him. Yeah, I met him once. I
was very excited about that.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Oh he's the nicest, nicest man. He is. What a diamond.
I mean, people still say to Henry, you know he Fansie,
which is like fifty years ago, and he'll still he'll
still go a and be nice to.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Hear him tell that story about his I didn't know
he was a Juilliard trained actor, you know, I didn't.
I just liked him, and you know, he was this
guy from Fansie. He was FANSI But but yeah, to
watch his career, to hear about his ups and downs
and and and for him to still have that kindness
but still have an edge. He has an edge. Not

(42:45):
he's not like an edgy guy, like he's not going
to be mean to you on an airplane, but like
he's smart.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
He's very smart and very very quick mind and a
lovely man. He I remember when we had to send
something over to his house when we were doing late night.
We had to send some form over to his house
for some firm to sign and we sent a pa
over and the PA came back after be over and
he said, Winkler gave me a sandwich. He said, got

(43:11):
to the house and his family we're all having sandwiches,
and he said, come on in and have a sandwich.
And they gave the shift a sandwich next to him.
And it's always kind of stuck with me. It was like,
there's absolutely nothing in it for Henry Winkler to gave
a pa sandwich. But they had some sandwiches and they
were nice. But I just know it just seemed very nice.
I love that. I've always liked Henry. I always thought
he was such a lovely man. But your is an

(43:31):
interesting point with Henry, because Henry had a very specific,
huge entry into his career. Yes, when when he did
the Phonsie and you had that must be thirty years
years ago.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, you kidding me, since that song there is really
nineteen ninety four, I know, but it was a huge krind.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
It must have been a huge gear shift for you
for being you know, you're a young girl at that
a young woman, you're like Baily mid twenties and then
suddenly twenty five.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yeah, it was you know, it didn't feel if. On
one hand, it felt like a big change because it
was I mean, having a song on the radio, will
you hear your you know, hearing your music come through
the radio with those DJs, you know, with the compression
on their voice like.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Lis Alone blahah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
And also being in the context of other people you
think of as being pop stars, you know, Mariah Carey
and I don't know, I always did I'm writing carry
and I was a singer songwriter in New York with
a band and we'd play. But I don't know if
you had the same thing. But I had been working
on it for so long, you know, I felt like
I had been I'd been writing songs since I was
a little kid. I'd been writing like real songs since

(44:43):
I was in eighth grade or ninth grade. And then
I started writing on guitar and I'd play my songs
in assembly. And then my friend and I had that
band in college, my friend Liz Mitchell, and we had
a great following and we recorded our music and there
were some record companies getting interested in college, and so
it was like step by step by step, you know,

(45:03):
going along to get to the place where the song
ended up on the radio. In retrospect, it was a
huge thing in retrospect, like the fact that Ethan Hawk,
you know, passed the song along and they actually put
it in the movie.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
That's that's rare when things actually happen, I know. And
and then it actually got played on the radio, and
then we actually made a music video and it actually
became popular, and that it's amazing playing that, Yeah, I do.
I mean, I there's a lot of other songs like that.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
It's funny. I played. I went on tour.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I did a few weeks with Lyle Lovett recently, like
in May, and we did the thing where we both
sit on stage and we talk and we hang out
and then we play music, kind of like if we
both just took a guitar out and started playing a song.
But one of the shows and you never had a
set list, he'd play a song and talk and we'd
talk and I'd play a song. And I had a
list of songs that I wanted to remember to play

(45:57):
because I'll just forget song.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I don't know. I need some reminders.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I got a call from the promoter the next day
saying that they were disappointed I hadn't played my song Stay.
I played like nine songs that night. I totally forgot, like,
there's so many other songs that I could play it. Yeah,
but I do love playing it because people want to
hear it.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
I don't dislike it.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I like it, and it definitely is a regular kind
of one of my songs. It's not some people get
hit songs that are really outside of what they want
to play, and they're like, oh, I can't believe I
have to play that song. I don't mind playing it.
I like it, And because now it has so much
history attached to it and people have a really nostalgic
feeling about it, I enjoy playing it. That's really It's

(46:41):
amazing to be in that circle of me singing a
ton of people singing with me.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
On that song.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
But it's not like my favorite song to sing. But
I'm also happy to do it.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
I think also it's a sign of maturity and an
artist when you make peace with early success. You know,
I remember, you know, circling back to you know what
I told you when I worked with Mike Jagger years ago.
But you know they were singing, you know, Sympathy for
the Devil and satisfaction and these songs were, you know,

(47:16):
thirty years old at that pointeh, you know. And and
I said, you ever get sick of playing them? And
he went, now, because you when when you go out,
it's magical. I'm happy that it has become part of,
you know, everything we did. And I I kind of

(47:37):
love that he said, But there was a time when
I didn't want to sing it, you know. And I
think that that's you feel like you have to escape
who you were before so that you don't get caught, right,
you know. But I think that then you realize you're
not caught. It's just who you were then and who
you were then it's part of who you are now.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
And yeah, you have to do it all basically because
you have to feed your own soul and feed yourself.
It's funny I was talking to I was at this
event yesterday for an organization called Best Buddies, and Nikky
six from Motley Crue was there. We were talking and
I was like, oh, I got to get back together
with this guy, like we really I hadn't met him before,

(48:16):
but we had a really nice conversation and part of
it was about this kind of thing, you know, about
writing music and how hard it is, and how writing
songs and lyrics and music it's so hard, but we
still love doing it and continuing to try to get
better at it. And but and how funny it is,
how how much pressure you put on yourself to like
write new songs. But when you go play these concerts,

(48:37):
people just want to hear what they know. You know,
even as musicians ourselves were like, oh no, you know,
don't play a news song.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Oh got it?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Like people are getting You're most excited as a musician
to play those songs, and then the audience is going
to get beer. And so you have to be really
tricky the way you put the songs in. And on
one hand, it's kind of like a like a backup plan,
like or this case scenario, I play all the songs
that people already know, even though it's like from twenty
five thirty years ago, or even some of the songs

(49:06):
I wrote in the eighties, and I put them on
my records and people still want to hear them.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
And that's that's fine.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I want to know that I'm the same way with
a lot of my favorite artists, So I just I
appreciate that. But then also you're like, but I also
want to play some of these new songs and hopefully
you'll like them too.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
But you know, it's an interesting because it's kind of
the poller opposite of what you've experienced as a stand
up comedian. I really, I really wish I could do
that joke again because now I could do much better.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
And I know, like, like, I have a question about
that well now, especially with cell phones, it's such a drag.
Like I again talking about Lyle Lovett. I opened for
him twenty five years ago and I saw him tell
these stories and I realized what a craft that was
and it's and I had this thing in my head
like I can never say the same thing. I can
never set up a song the same way. Everything always

(49:58):
has to be different. And I remember dwezel Zappa would say,
you know, his dad never played the same show and
all the solos were different. And I thought, you know,
I don't solo in my music. I just play songs.
But my soloing is my talking, like my banter, and
it's not going to be different. But then I started
realizing to create a story is so fun. But then
when you see the same people right in the audience,

(50:20):
and you finally figured out how to ride the audience
in the waves of the story and embellish it or whatever,
and there's the same people right in front or they
videotape it. You're like, like, how do you deal with that?
As a comedian? I think people want to hear that story.
They want to hear that.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
You can tell this. I feel like you can tell
the same story until it's being televised, until it's on
a special, or until it's until it's on the internet.
Then you can't do it again. And that's what I
that's my personal belief about it is that once I've
told it and it's been out there, which is annoying

(50:57):
because it's almost like if you recorded the song and
you can never play it, last terrible because you will.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
You get there and you get to that place where
you're like saying something that's just off the cuff, but
it's not.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Ah, but it's so good.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
And that's that's what's super straining about it, because I
look at material that this is a stand up paying
fifty twenty years ago and go, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Could really make that work a little bear now that
was actually a very good idea, but I didn't do
it properly, and I would like to do it properly now,
but you kind of can't because people know what's coming,
and that ruins that, that ruins what it is.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
It takes the melody away if they understand what it is.
Just just do it for people like over fifty five.
They will not remember.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
They will not they won't remember, you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, yeah, I say this all the time because I
keep thinking of this as the example. But like, I
met Barry Manilow at an event and I was so
excited and I got my picture taken with them, and
I love the song Mandy, and I just gushed and
I was so excited. And then I was going through
my photo albums, you know, a couple months later, and
there I was the first time I met Barry Manilo

(52:01):
for the first time in another photo from you know,
fifteen years ago. I had no recollection and it was
important to me. You know, it's weird to have something
very similar.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
I had this thing. Do you have you ever seen
the documentary Becoming spok.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I should be anyway, Yeah, he was, Actually I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, well I watched it. It was made by his son.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I think it's a beautiful though screening even I don't
know it's a gardeless stone.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
But I watched it, and then afterwards I said to
my wife, Gosh, what a lovely man. I really wish
I'd had him on the Late Night show. And we
looked up and he was on twice a thing.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
I know.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
That's that's why it's good to have friends around.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
I know.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
My friend Amy's like, remember that time we were in
that limo with Adam Sandler. He gave us a ride
and I was like, what tell me about that?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
What happened then?

Speaker 2 (53:04):
So yeah, I remember Paul Rudd was talking to you.
I'm like, he was what did he say? Like what happened?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
But that's the weird is, especially when I look at
like Late Night, I was like, ten years I did
that show, and people will like, I'll see footage from that,
like I am zero recollection of that conversation or even
that evening and I'm right there and it's me talking
and I'm like, I honestly don't remember. You know. It's
a little weird.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, I do an interview. I have a radio show,
a daily radio show on Sirius XM nineties on nine
and One of the things I added to it was
called Where They Are Now? And it's an interview segment
where I talk to people who you might know from
the nineties but they're still doing things today.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
And I was inspired by spinal Tap, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
And they're all sitting around the radio and their old
song comes on the radio. It might be like give
me some money or cups and cakes or something, and
they're all sitting around and they're all like enjoying it.
Exter on tour, it's so cool to hear their old song.
The DJ comes on and from the Where Are They
Now files, like I wonder if they're so alive, you know,
And they're just like on a tour promoting a current project.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
And that happens, you know, when you travel.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
You might sit next to somebody they're like, so are
you still didn't you used to be a musician? You're like,
I guess something like you're checking into a hotel and
your name is on the marquee across the street, and
then the young gals like, didn't you used to be
a musician? You're like, yeah, I still am, And there's
my name right there over on the marquee right like
I'm going with my guitar.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
You're at the airport.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
I'm going with my guitar to you know, Wisconsin, because
I'm plying.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
A show there.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
They're like, oh, that's so great. Good luck with that.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
But anyway, so I started a radio show thing called
where They Are Now, which is a take on where
Are They Now? And because it's a kinder way of saying, yes,
I know you're I know you from a certain material
from the nineties probably, but same, we play some reruns
and they're like, yeah, this week you're rerunning your interview

(54:58):
with so and so, and I'm like, why did I
talk to I got to talk to boys to men.
That's so cool and it's right there in the hard drive.
I had a great conversation with them, no recollection. I
researched them for hours.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
That's exactly what's going to happen to us now. Because
we're done.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
I'm not going to remember speaking.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
I remember I didn't stop eating fudge at the airport.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
And fudge Colorado and Dan for famous for its fudge
at the airport in the airport, Lisa, it's a delight
to see.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
I'm sorry that it's been so long, and very good
luck with the children's book. I hope it comes out. Yeah,
I hope it comes out. I have a feeling that
will work out fine. Yeah, you're delightful and please keep
doing your Thanks for being sure.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I hope to see you at Nelson's. Bring your coupon.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, well you know me. Scoutition, good day.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Thank you

Speaker 7 (56:00):
At two paper for two po