September 5, 2023 • 52 mins
This week on JOY, we have one of Craig’s classiest friends, the beloved American actress Wendie Malick. Wendie, amongst other things, is the voice of Beatrice Horseman, the mother of BoJack on Netflix's animated psychological comedy/drama, BoJack Horseman. Listen to these two catch up with one another and talk life, work and so much more. enJOY!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
My name is Craig Ferguson. This podcast is called Joy.
It's not Rocket Science. I talk to people I like
about their pursuit of happiness. Here's Wendy Malick, a beloved
American actress who, amongst other things, is the voice of
O Jack Horsefleso.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
She's one of my classier friends. Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hey, I haven't seen you since I was the Owl
House on the Disney Channel.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Or did you catch it before it ended? Did it
end sadly? Yes, it was canceled. I think Disney got
nervous because we had a girl kissing a girl on
that show.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
That's some of my favorite stuff is girl.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Why did they not want that because Disney could use that,
could they?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Well? I think Disney could could branch out a little more.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
As you are, are they making any money?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think they've lost money recently, have they really?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I think they could probably lose a little bit and
be okay. I was just talking to someone of that
this morning. Like, you're famously immensely wealthy, right, I don't
have a castle? Well, the castle I live in, to
be fair, it.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Needs to be totally replumbed.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well no, well yeah they do. But also you know
you couldn't get an apartment in New York.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
For the price of my castle.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well that's true.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, so it's not.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
A lot of space there in Scotland.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, I like a lot of like very people. You
live in a land, though, how many how much land
do you have?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Your fifty acres?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
That's plenty, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's a lot for here, although it's almost entirely unusable,
very very steep up and down?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Is it fiery? Do you get fires near your house?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Is it fiery? It's it's vulnerable to fires? Yeah, because
we abut the state park. Okay, so we have a
lot of fuel out there, and our nearest neighbor is
a quarter mile away.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So yeah, have you been affected by the fires.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Of course, I think everybody here is. And you've got
horses too, do I make Do you have a horse transport?
Thing have a horse? We have a two horse trailer,
which doesn't do you much good if you have four
horses and a donkey.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Now do you have four horses and a donkey? Or
three horses?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Now we have three? I forgot okay.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Because I thought, wait a minute, you told me.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
We have three and a half animals. And you've always
been a horsey person. No, No, I mean I lived
in New York for seventeen years before I moved here,
and as a kid, I did those trail rides where
the only time you go fast is when you're on
the way back to the bar. Yeah, they're barely a
person in front of you.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
It's kind of in the Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So when you see people you walk up the hills,
you see people in the bike, they're just like that.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You can dress it up, but you can't teach him
how to ride. No. I didn't start until I was
forty when I moved to to Panga.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
First of all, I'm surprised to hear that you're over forty,
and also.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, I'm older than you are. No, you have to
show me some respect.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Really, are you? You know me? I'm not going to
ask you, but you're nobody thinks.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So, I think so. No, I am definitely in my
third act, well into my third act.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Do you worry about it?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I know, but I but worry is something that you
do you even if you there is nothing to do, like.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I That's why I keep busy, so I don't have
time to, like, you know, worry too much.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You do like you go out and clean the horses
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That's part of it.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, my wife does that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well. I hate to meet your wife.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah you do.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I think that shoveling ship is a very relaxing zen exercise.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, I've never found it particularly appealing whenever I've had
to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Do you have dogs as well? Yes?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
What kind of dogs?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Now?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
We have a shepherd. I think she's a what does
she called the melt malono? Yeah, yeah, Melani. She's a
rescue but she's like a greyhound shepherd mixed. She's really fast,
has a long, thin tail, really long legs. Yeah, kind
of like you, A little bit kind of like me. Actually,
we do look alike a picture later.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Normally, I mean, I would never say you wear a melon.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Wow. But if I had the long face, yeah I was.
If I was, you know, looking for a voice of
a Malon, wir would be me and a cartoon I
was doing, I'd be like, I wonder if Wendy's available,
because she's got totally doing I think I should. Yeah,
So have you been doing a lot of that cartoon
voicey stuff? Yeah? Did you have very a very sexy voice? Yeah,
(05:07):
I do, Yeah, you do right now.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Sexy voice. It's it's low.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Actually. Lauras Sandracomo years ago said, did you ever do
you know voiceovers or do cartoons stuff like that? And
and I thought, you know, I did some commercials when
I was starting out in New York and figured, well,
I don't have to do those anymore. I think I'm
going to bag it. And she said, no, you really should.
They're really kind of fun. And I got this great
Cadillac commercial right out of the box and started doing
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animated stuff and I love it. I love to just
work with my voice. Yeah, it's nice. I like doing it.
I mean some of it is just a lot of
screaming and stupid.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
When they call it walla when you have to go.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I don't really to bring people in to do your own. No,
I don't. But some of them are way more fun
than others. I mean, for me, BoJack Horse and I
played his mother. I know that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
To me, that's the greatest animated series.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think it's so brilliant and the art direction is
so insanely good, and you can watch them three or
four times and see new stuff. It's so densely animated
and gorgeous and funny and heartbreaking. And they gave me
this amazing thing to do in the last season where
you found out why I was such a witch.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, you were evil. You were an evil character.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And I had a horrible childhood.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, and you personally didn't have a horrible.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
No, I had a really good one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's weird that you would become a performer and a
successful performer and have a happy childhood. I don't think
that's common.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Betty White did. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But when Betty, I mean Betty who we both knew
and loved.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
But when Betty was a child, you know, it was
a different time. There were like they'd just come up
with a wheel.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
They just they just came up with television, that's for sure.
Well they actually hadn't, because I remember right, and she
was doing radio still in theater before TV predated television.
That's true.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I met because I was so sad.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, obviously when Betty passed, it was very sad.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
But she loved you too, Oh, I ado order.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
You know, she was the first person I worked with
when I came to Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You're kidding.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, she had just come off the Golden Palace, which
was the one after.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
The Golden Girls.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
God I missed that.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, it wasn't the was the worst thing she did,
because the worst thing she did was the one she
did after the Golden Palace.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
It was a show called Maybe This Time Maybe it
was Me, Betty White, Marie Osmond.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Oh my, yeah, but you know.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
What, you know, in my wildest dreams, I can't imagine
that cast.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You know. Actually, both of those women, I loved them
both and I still do. They were both great to me.
They were both fabulous. Marie had some personal stuff that
I don't connect to in the same way religiony wise,
but religion, Yeah, religion. It's very earthy, kind of like
funny person. And Betty, of course is that's forcing it.
How long did you guys do Hot in Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I think it was six years.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
God, that was a great show to do.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It was such a gift and so utterly unexpected. Yeah,
you know, for well, you realize you look around in
how many series are anchored by women over fifty? Yeah,
I guess, and we were like fifty sixty ninety Yeah,
so pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It was the best smelling set I've ever been out
of my life.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
There was that kind of when you.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Like there was lavender near Betty and then there was
the more exotic perfumes.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It was you in Valerie Dan.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Mine was Egyptian must oh.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I know you are Egyptian, right, or you are Egyptian
heritage a quarter that I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Have you been to Egypt? No? And I was invited
by my grandfather, but he was a Pentecostal minister and
way too strict, so I didn't go with him, right,
But I do need to. I've been to Africa many times.
But never to Egypt. I'd like to go to Perhaps
we could go together, maybe we'll go.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well, Megan is the name of the women I'm married to,
so I've heard right. So Meghan and I were talking
about maybe doing a Nile cruise.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I know, I think that would be really fascinating.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Does this fact you go down then Isle and you
kind of see the pyramids and stuff, but you're still
on your own.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Little bit can touch you or talk to you.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, I see, exact quite like that. I'm not good
at mixing. I.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Craig Ferguson will be hitting the road again this summer
and fall, bringing the Fancy Rascal Tour to your region.
For tickets and full list of tour dates, go to
my website, the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Come see me live or don't so listen. You started
out in Buffalo, is that right? You're from Buffalo, which
is almost Canadian? Are you okay with that?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Okay? Oh yeah? Did you go up to Canada every summer?
Were you? Summer? We had a summer house on Lake Erie.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
See, so you were well Ontario?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
You're well, no, no, no, I grew up in a very
middle class family my grandparents. My grandfather did quite well
and was able to retire early.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And they built this is the Pentecostal No, no, no, this is
the fun.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
One, right. He had a hotel and restaurants, okay, And
they built that house the year I was born on
the beach and it was three sides of it were
a Carolinian forest and the front was was just sand
dunes going down to this beautiful beach and the water
was right there. And uh, do you have siblings, Yeah,
a brother and a sister.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
So you guys were just swallows and amazons around.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Oh, you could just you could just be free all
day and play. And the woods. My mother always called
it a cathedral of trees, and that to this day
is kind of my church. Trees.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
So you're not a Pentecostal, Coptic Christian or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I'm a nature advocate.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Are you religious?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
So no? No, but I would say spiritual.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, no, I just I rejected all of it for years.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
But as I get older, I found myself hedging my
bets a little more.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So do you go to church? I built one near
the castle.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
There was an old building in the place where I
live in Scotland and it was derelict and during the lockdown,
I did an event to do so I thought, I
think that was a church, and I'm going to put
it back.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
So I went on YouTube and there's.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Very much I'm not religious at all, but I thought,
you know, it probably should be a church if there's
a if there was an old estate like this.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So I put it back and I you know, pain
do you go in and meditate?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And I do.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm not churchy, but I like, I don't invite other
people in. But I bought church pews from a place that,
you know, salvage yard.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The guys that were delivering it said, this isn't a bar.
I went no, I said, we've never delivered church pews
to a church before. They usually take them out of
churches and put them in bars. But I'd bought them
and I put them in and it looks just like
a little Scottish church.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I go, do you have stained glass windows?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
No, we're we're from a different flavor where stained glass
windows are.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
That's probably a little too.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, it's a little it's like, yeah, it's a little
imagery wise.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I mean they do it in Protestant churches.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
They do, and actually I don't, but I will be
honest with you. I have ordered some the but just
tiny little ones like window pantes. It's not a giant
it's a tiny wee building pews.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Like a chapel. Yeah, oh no, I think you don't
think of doing that? In you what I do? If
I may share it with you, Yes, that's why I'm here. Yeah.
Have you ever been to Big Sir? Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I have.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Okay, we we did a retreat there, a tai Chi retreat.
You I didn't. I mean I'd had a little training
that I didn't really know what I was doing. But
a year ago Thanksgiving, we went for a tai chi
retreat class thing with this Chinese master and one of
the things we did was this morning salutation to the sunrise,
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and we'd all gather on this cliff and watch the
sun and come up behind the mountain. And he taught
us just some basic moves of welcoming the day. And
it's a it's a gratitude ritual. So I now do
that every morning, do you really? I do it when
I want my dog first thing, and when I'm out
just looking at the mountains and the beauty and I
(13:29):
sort of say thank you, and I take in energy
that I need and send out healing or forgiveness or
peace or whatever it is I want to sort of
send into the world and then gratitude for what remains,
including my own body. Well, it's not quite what it
used to be.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I don't know. I look.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I know that it's not allowed to comment on people's appearance,
but yours is spectacular. So you may say that, yeah,
well then it is, though I mean, but I.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Mean things like you know, arthritis and you know the
I don't have a lot of cartilage, stuff like that.
It's just part of the deal.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, you because you started out, you were a model.
When you started, right you were doing modeling. Were you
very self conscious? Because whenever I've talked to Megan, my
wife did modeling when she was young as well. And
she's still young obviously but always always forever young. Yeah,
but she's quite she's very critical of herself.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Are you like that?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I certainly was when I started, because I knew what
my good side was. I just was, you know, very
self conscious about how to stand, how to move. You know,
my smile is crooked, which I'm really aware of. I
think there was a time. It's probably during dream On,
which was in nineteen ninety. I think we shot the
pilot right where I went from being the straight woman
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for Brian ben Ben to being a real character actress,
like I was a neurotic psychologist and they found out
I was funny and they let me run with it.
And that was a huge gift because I didn't have
to be per effect. I didn't have to be angreen
new like and I never really was. I was always
sort of the.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Did you feel like? It was an overused word. But
the environment for models, I think is very tough. But
I don't know what it's like because I'm not a
modal and I never have beened. But whenever I talked
to male or female people who have done it, it's
a very kind of abusive almost environment that people are
so mean to do.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, and it's you know, there's nothing to back up this.
This is kind of what you've got to offer. So
no matter how interesting you are talented in other ways,
it really is all about your face and your body.
And when that's all you have to go on, you
can really lose your mind.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I think, yeah, I think, so, did you lose your mind?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
When you were doing no, because I never started. I
mean I went to New York to act after college
and I was making like seventy five dollars a week
and having to waitress on the side, right, And someone
came up to me in Times Square and asked me
if I'd ever modeled, and I, wow, I've done that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay, I think I think someone said that to me
once in Times Square and it went very.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Badly, and it was for a different kind of magazine.
He said, you should come meet. Well, I mean you
I wish I did. And I just took five years
because I wanted to travel. I have huge wander lust
and I couldn't afford to do it until I became
a model. So then I ended up living in Paris
for a year and I went all over the world
shooting because I got ten in a day because of
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the Egyptian and I had a blast. But I knew
it was just for temporary, that I was going to
go back and go back to acting, which I did
in when I was thirty.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Right, So, because I guess model, it's kind of that
kind of thing to describe, and then certainly your career
is over as a model of.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
It I mean, there are models out there that have
been doing it for twenty five years and they look amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I think, no, it's a little different. I think you.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I mean you could model. You could do a modeling
campaign right now.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Road Hard and put Away No, although that is.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
A good name for a brand.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I think road Hard.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
You can put them away wet, they'll come out the next.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Day to the great.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So you went back to did you come to LA
after that then? Or you used to go back to me?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I went back to New York and was there until well,
my ex husband and I we had a place in
the village and were there from eighty two to eighty nine,
I guess, And we're going back and forth a lot.
He's a screenwriter. But then I got a job here
and a series, my first one in No Actually it
was called Trauma Center Doctor Bridget Blaine.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh my god, I waste I see Trauma Center. Is
they don't make enough of that kind of thing anymore?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Or maybe the time I had a mask on so
it was all about the eyes. Reminded me of all
the all the nurses during the pandemic who all got
those eyelashes because that's the only thing they had to
do in the morning to sort of get ready for
the day out. Strange by the way it was after
the pandemic. You'd be you'd have worked with people, well
(18:03):
you didn't work during the pandemic. That you probably don't know.
But I would see the same people every day on
sets and in the medical the people who would test you,
and I knew them all by their eyes. But then
every once in a while you'd be outside and somebody
would take their mask off, and it was just so shocking.
It was like potato head. Sometimes it didn't match.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Or it was like someone taking their pants off or
something like.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
It was shocked.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So I saw the full faced, nose, lips, everything. No,
it was a revolution, Yeah, no, it was. It was
weird how it quickly went. And that's if you wore masks.
Some people didn't wear them because they didn't believe.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Do you want to go down that road? You have
a lot of touchers. I don't think i've ever seen
your arms before.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Well, I used to mask them up when I was
on hout in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Because it wasn't appropriate for the housekeeper. Nobody when you're
in drag, it wouldn't have worked.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, I did do some drag working missus. Doubtfire, that's right.
I think that would get me in trouble, now, wouldn't it.
Or people are angry at drag queens or I'm not
a drag queen. But I did my best, and certainly
they were drag queens were charming, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I did my very best.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I always felt, and I've had to in my life
dress up as a lady for various different roles, and
whenever I dress up as a lady, I look more
like a guy.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
It's a very.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Reverse You wouldn't transition.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, no, no, it's not for me.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Fabulous hair though, thank you? And so have you ever
dre you? I think could maybe did drag queen? Well,
I think you could pull off androgeny a little bit.
I mean, you're very totally.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I totally do.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I mean I love to wear men suiting and.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, I think that would be a good look for you.
Did you play around with that when you were younger,
like they.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Well, my best friend was a boy until I was twelve,
Johnny Proseski, and we used to play John and Mary
Pioneer family, and we each had little baby guns and
stuff from we used to Yeah, wow, we slept out
in a ford together and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I was actually going a bit later.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I was thinking in New York, like, but you went
to twelve years old with Johnny as a pioneer family.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
That's good. Did you guys have children or no?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
No, we didn't have a children. It wasn't about the sex.
It was all.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
About did you have children as a pioneer family.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
No? No, no kids. We didn't have time because we
were too busy defending our fort oh.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Against imaginary invaders. Okay, I got it. So you came
out to La and you started working here, and the
dream on was that what was the name of your
character in Trauma Center again?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Bridget Blane? Bridget Blane, I see, I proad they know
some Bridge of Plaines, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
A lot of I've had some Bridget Plane jobs over
the years as well.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I think it was pretty silly, but it was my first,
you know, I think it g gig and I was
very excited.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I thought, La, when was this be the eighties.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Ninetees, nineteen ninety, I think nineteen eighty. I think I
got that job in eighty four, eighty five something like that, because.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I remember La and I moved here in the mid nineties,
and I always thought Ellie was for a town as
big as it was kind of like sleepy in an
old way. It was quiet, and then certainly people who
were working were they all went home at eight.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
O'clock at night or it's such an early town. Yeah, yeah,
it really is. I mean there's there is a sector
of LA that is the clubs and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yeah, but they're not working.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
They're not working too. They don't have to get up
the next morning.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
They're not going to the set.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But it's not like New York where you can go
out to dinner at ten o'clock.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
And no, I can't do that now anyway. I get
I get acid reflux if Yeah. I sat next to
a very attractive women at a wedding about six months
ago and we were just chatting and I said, oh,
it's so funny, like back of the day, we would
have both had drugs as she went yeah, and then
she brought acid tablets and I had a tablet we
(21:52):
both had. We both had stuff for asid reflux. But
you know, tit moves on.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Oh no, I have friends who say, do you want
to do a blue hair dinner? Tonight at five.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Thirty, five thirty.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I love it. Well, I need to have four hours
before I lie down or.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Um yeah, yeah no. And it's also here, I think
you're much more in tune with nature, so you get
up when the sun gets comes up. And out there
in the Santa Monica Mountains.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
The Santamonica Mountains, Yeah, it's lovely out there.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's beautiful. No, it's I call it my nearest barrowing place.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Don't you hate the commune coming in though? Did you
drive yourself?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah? I like to drive. Yeah, no, I think if
you live in a because you know, one of my
joys is oh yeah, that's right, Oh thanks pal. Yeah.
One of my favorite things is finding music and blasting it,
which is why I don't like people to be in
the car with me very often, right because I listened
to it pretty loud. Do you listen to me? A
(22:53):
very eclectic taste. But right now I'm listening to this song,
this sting song, she Walks upon the Earth. It's a
little bit of a also rhythm. It's some Brazilian guy
I think wrote it. But that's my latest addition to
my playlist. And when I'm driving and I hear a
great song that just brings me so much joy. I
can't tell you so. I love to drive and listen
to music.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
But you're quite solitary. Then it seems to me that
you quite like your own company. You're out there doing
slow Kung Fu in the morning, and then you're just
you in the malinoir and then you like to drive
in your own.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I like to drive it on my own, but then
I like to get to the place where I get
to hang out with people I like, and then I
get to go and play. When I arrive.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Does it still hold like acting is still fun?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Then it's still playing? Absolutely? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I
don't want to ever stop. I don't think I could
do what you did and go off for two years
and live in a castle where it rains every day.
I don't think I could do that.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Well, you'd end up building the church.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Is what happens. Is you're building a time I become
a nun.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
You never know you'd be a great nun.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I played a nun in a movie, and yeah, it
was called what was it called?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Because I think I've seen that movie, because I think
I've seen you as aenough big.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Show who was a big wrestler in the w W
really a wrestling non movie. He was he was in
an orphan. She was an oversized orphan, right, and I was.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It was the Rock. It was the Rock, isn't It.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Wasn't the Rock, but it was. His name was Big Show.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
That was his name was a big show, Big Show.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, And uh, I just don't need to go any further.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But no, I think you played the nun in the
orphanage the Big Show was an orphan and then went
on to wrestle.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
You didn't see the movie.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I missed that. You know.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I have to say I have done movies I haven't
seen and I have no interest in seeing.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I know, well and and maybe I'll just want to
see my scene. But that's enough. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
When sometimes when you be honest, when you get a script,
you just look at your lines and go yeah, yeah,
I do that time. So I was very surprised, especially
with voiceover stuff. When I did the How To Train
Your Dragon movies. I went to the premiere, I was like,
this is really good.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Oh you had no idea what the story.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I just it was like me going.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
And then I was like, oh, this is a good movie.
I'm really pleased.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, because usually, with the exception of Hot in Cleveland
and a couple of other things, mostly what I'm in
his garbage?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Do you think that so? Did you have aspirations to
do something a little meteor? Yeah? I think so. At
the beginning, did you ever do like, were you ever
classically trained or no? No, no, no, nothing like that, But.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I kind of I think at the beginning, before I
knew how the sausage was made, I was like, Oh,
I want to really act, like, really do some serious acting.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Then you meet some serious actors, they go, this guy's
a fucking dick.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I can't take this.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
There's like people like, you know, squinting into the l
and that quizzical look and being very worried about it.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Very Oh. There's a lot of that, especially for men.
A lot of yeallow, looks like it's going to rain,
looks like yeah, a lot of mumbley.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I'd like to do a Western.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I would like to I would too, I'd love to
do we could do Pioneering Family.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Okay, let's think about let's Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
No, I'm not I'm not sensing a huge deal of
enthusiasm for.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
No, no, no, I'd love to. I mean I can
ride still, right, and I should do it. Do you
know Bill Shatner he was on Hot in Cleveland. Of course,
he was his gallery's neighbor, I think, right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Bill didn't start riding horses till he was fifty.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, well I was forty. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I think that's why he's still healthy and you know,
around healthy. Esh well, not in his brain, but I
think he'd be the first to admit it. He's fucking crazy.
Yeah yeah, yeah, he's crazy and angry, but it's a
lot of fun if you get in the right side.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah. Yeah, he is fun. Yeah he has He's Canadian.
A lot of Canadians are fun, you know, people say people.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Say that.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Enrico calling Tony Okay, have you ever like interviewed him
one of the most hilarious, brilliant, fabulous He was on
Just Shoot Me with Me. He was the bald guy,
the photographer. Oh yeah, yes, amazing, amazing actor and a
fabulous human. Jim Carrey, Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, Mike Myers. So that proves your Pat O'Hara.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Catherine O'Hara is great.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Did she ever known in Cleveland. Mm hmm yeah on
Cleveland to me seemed like it was. It was a
really good place to meet people that you were in
Oh no, no, no stars.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I remember Kay was there one day. I was like
and he said, could I have a selfie with you?
I was like, yes, you got George Kay.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
My favorite was when when Carol Burnett came and she
played my mother and I'd grown up you know, watching
her show, and.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Which was that?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Because funny woman Jews? Were you drawn to comedy right away?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah? Yeah. My favorite thing that brings me great joy,
thank you for doing that, is when you get to
dive into something that's really well written and you get
to be human with all of that that that entails.
So I think Fraser did it really well right. Fraser
(28:25):
was a comedy where they also allowed for people to
go into a dark place and to have a serious
moment that was earned and it didn't have to always
end on some sort of yucky, you know, sticky laughter,
which a lot of very It was a really smart
group of writers.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And uh, yeah, they're rebooting that. I think they're going
to make a new Fraser.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, but it's not anything like nobody from Kelsey's the
only one in it, James. No, No, it's not nor
Perry nor David so uh yeah. But that was a
fun one to work on. But I'm I'm working right
now on an Apple TV show, shrinking. Have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I've not seen it yet, But is that the one
with Harrison Ford and Jason Siegel.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
You probably know Jessica Miller, who's so great. He was
on The Daily Show. She was a correspondent. I don't know,
but I do know Jason hilarious woman. I play Harrison's neurologist,
nice and we end up having a thing Harrison Ford.
Uh huh, that's all right, it's all right. And it
(29:31):
was so much fun to work with him, for one thing,
because he's a doll.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
He was on the Late Night Show. He was a
lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
He's really great. Yeah he's like real curmudgeingly, but he's
actually really fun.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah, it's that funny thing.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Very and I told him he was like an old
he was like my favorite old pair of jeans. And
that's the highest compliment I could pay a man. But
that show allows you to go into some darker places.
It's the same people who did Ted Lazo and you know,
which is just a wonderful It just sort of the
whole spectrum of human behavior, and so people can find
(30:04):
joy and sorrow and all of it. And as actors,
getting a chance to play in that kind of a
playground is much more gratifying than just join stray comedy.
If there's no underlying thing, you earn your laps much
more when you let people in to see your vulnerability.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Well, I think that that draws me more than just stick.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
But the idea of even even this podcast was all
about I hate the word podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
It feels like, I know, let's find a different word.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Radio conversation, radio program, this radio program that goes on
computers and phones. Now, the whole idea behind these conversations
that is that I wanted to talk to people, not
necessarily about joy, but that had a positive impact on me.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
People I liked.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Oh really, is that why you invited me? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I like you.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I don't want to invite people if I don't know them,
like you, I know, because we work together, and I
liked you, and I still like you even although when
you come in you said, oh, you've gained a few
pounds and the uh, And I still want.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's only because I care about you.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yes, I know, because I speak La and you've gained
a few pounds.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Means, my god, what.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
The fuck is deer in the rain in Scotland.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
God, you've been sitting in Scotland eating pies magis.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I don't eat the high as much.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You invited me once to my husband. I were going
to be in England, and you said, if you come
up to Scotland if fedure some magas from Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Well, and that remains open.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
You can never eat eggs vegetation anymore. Yeah, but I
would have some of your salmon if it's fresh.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh yeah, I got about of salmon. But I tell
you what Mick Sweden's vegetarian agis. Oh yeah, you may
make that face, but I'm telling you it's great.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But see, I don't like any of that plant based
stuff that's supposed to taste like meat.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
It's not meant to taste like me.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's vegetarian hagis, and it predates plant based stuff. Even
although it's plant based, it predates plants, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
It's made of dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It's dinosaury, which counts. Yeah, it's Prestride, Dinosaury. It's it's
vegetarian haggis from Xsweens and Edinburgh's delicious.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Now how about I just come and we have salmon.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah, you can have salmon as well.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's the church and you can go to the I'll
show you the church that you'd be very You'd be like,
this isn't a church a building?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
The church?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
It's the church.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I love that. Yeah. No, it's a chapel.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
No, chapel sounds a little Oh it's bigger than a
chap No, no, no, no, it's it's small. I mean
it's about the size of maybe the rumor in right now,
that's a chapel. Is that a chapel? Right, it's a
little chapel, man, And you can go and do the
chap You don't get married in there now. But the
thing is, I used to be quite atheistic.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I'm not atheistic anymore. Are you an atheist?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I don't think so. I think I still believe there
is some greater thing and something I love. My daughter
is in Europe right now and she keeps just randomly
running into people she knows from like boarding school. I
mean she's twenty one and she three times has run
into people in Paris, in Amsterdam that's very cool, which
(33:26):
I just love. And she said, can you believe it?
And I said, you know, I really do think there's
a master plan to all of this. I don't think
these things are accidents. I think that a lot of this,
a lot of this is an unfolding script that's already
been written.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I think that that's right, and I think that you
can choose to believe it.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
It's almost like you can choose to be positive.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, you can choose to believe, or you can dismiss
it as it's all random and chaotic, which is they're
both equally unprovable.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, so you might as well. I mean that.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I remember I was talking to a friend of mine
who's very devout, I suppose, and he said, look, if
I get to the other side after all of this
and somebody or nothing happens, or somebody says, no, you
got it totally wrong, what does it matter. I had
a good time, I liked it made me feel better,
and I kind of I'm impressed by that. Also, the idea,
(34:22):
because atheism is so didactic and religious as a stance,
and it's fundamentalism.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I don't do well with that, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And also you're saying Einstein wrong, Socrates is wrong, Isaac
Newton wrong, Planto wrong.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And on that note, I told you I lost my
mom about three weeks agow very sorry at ninety four.
She had a great run, and she was ready there
at the end of she said to my brother. At
one point she looked up and said, oh, you kids
are so darling to be here. I know you have
lives of your own, and I'm sorry it's taking me
so long to die.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
She was, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
But when she finally left, same thing happened with my dad.
He waited for us. But I realized that. And if
you've ever been around I've never been around a person
when they actually passed, but I've been around many many
animals that we've had to put down over the years,
and the second they go, the energy just goes wosh. Yeah,
(35:20):
because energy doesn't die. So whatever that soul or that
spirit is, that that is in all of us, that
continues somewhere somehow how I don't know, but it isn't
a complete end of everything that was that person, no,
or that that creature. I think that's right.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I think also whenever you talk, particularly with atheists, who
are you know, it's kind of like people who are
really into weed.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I'm like, shut up about your atheism and your fucking weed.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Shut up. I don't mind you having't it. Just keep
the stank of me. And do you smoke a little
weed on occasion?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Well you don't smell of it, So well done.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I'm just oh, very rarely. Yeah, but I do like
I like a little chocolate at night, dark chocolate.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You were going to see pod or something like.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
A little acid on weekends? Me?
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Did you ever get into that? Did you ever get
druggy for any length of time?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Sure? Really? Oh? Yeah, cocaine, I suppose No, I never
liked coke. I'm wired enough. I like things that are chill.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
You like the base.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I did love I love tripping when I was in college.
Really yeah. Oh it was so much fun for a
group of people that you knew and trusted, and it
was really really fascinating and mind blowing. And I'm kind of.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Great, quite surprised to hear you say that that that
you were into psychedelics. That would you get so you
do it properly. You set together, we're all going to
take this.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yes, the same yah with people that we loved, and
we always could be in nature outside and uh, total
trust thing. And yeah, I know it was quite wonderful,
but it just takes way too long to come back
down from when.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
You laugh and then it's day three.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Well, and having just these amazing epiphanies you know.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, what epiphanies did you have?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Oh? I just yes, I do. Remember. It was kind
of the same thing I had first thought about when
I was sitting on the we used to sleep on
the beach at that place in Canada, my summer rouge,
and I remember being a kid and looking up at
the stars and thinking, so, I wonder what is beyond
what I can see, and what's beyond that, and that
whole concept of infinity, which is like so mind boxing,
(37:30):
but the whole idea that we are just this tiny
little speck in this giant universe among other universes. And
there was something about all of that that I think
has informed my adulthood and realizing that there is something
else going on here that we can't quite fully comprehend,
(37:52):
and not just about the small stuff too much.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I think that that it's very helpful in that regard.
I mean, if I have a belief in a deity
or a god, and I'm like you, there's something it's
not all normal. And I can't imagine that that deity,
that enormity would be worried about what I would wear when,
(38:25):
and who I would love and what you should read? Yeah,
and what words I say out loud, like if one's
got an F in the front or something. It's like,
I don't get all the the pressure of all that.
That's a people thing, I think, is not a god thing.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Now, And I think this whole kind of extremist sort
of positioning on who you should love, yeah, and what
you should read.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
And it's a real throwback all that.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
It is a throwback. It seems like we're going back
into like the Stone agers.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's just not It's funny because I think about that.
You have a daughter who's twenty one. I have a
son who's the same age, twenty one. That generation are
much maligned by people of our generation. I was calling
them woke and calling them names basically because they believe
in a different way. And I fell into that trap
(39:21):
a little bit myself. But because I work in humor
and so I'm like.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
I should be able to say what I want.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Then I know I get yelled at about pronouns.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, well, you know, if you change the reals that fast,
you got to give me a chance to catch out.
I mean, but I think the thing is my son
said to me, well, what do you want to say
that you're not getting llowed to say? I said, well, nothing,
I guess, but I should be allowed to say what
I said. You can't say what you want, But what
do you want to say that it's so injectionable?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
I went, I don't think there is anything.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
But I think it's fear of getting older for a
lot of people. I think the idea of calling younger
people names is because as you're afraid.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Well, and I think and I remember going back to
when Obama won the election and my mother, who was
a lovely person and doesn't have a mean or racist
bone in her body, but she actually was thinking about
voting for him. But she said, I'd never vote for Hillary.
But my dad got to her and she ended up
voting for Hillary. No oh oh, oh, oh, she went
(40:22):
the other way. Yeah, she went the other way. But afterwards,
when Obama won, she said, you must be very happy.
She knew I had gone out and canvassed and worked
hard for him, and she said, well, I guess it's
just hard for me because I don't recognize this country
anymore because she was so accustomed to it being run
by people who looked like her father, who were old,
(40:45):
white guys. And I think it was just such a change,
and she was worried that. And it was when we
had the House and the Senate and Obama, you know,
that brief period of time, and she said, I just
want there to be more of a balance, and I
feel like everything is changing so fast I can't keep up.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I think that's what age feels like sometimes. Yeah, I
think your mother is accurate in the sense of the
sensation of it. But if you think back to your
Pentecostal grandfather and how your life in Paris when you
were a young woman, how different and terrifying that would
have been to him. I think watching the youth is
(41:23):
frightening because they don't need you.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I think that, And at the same time, that's exactly
what you hope for, exactly.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
It's it's the weird thing.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
It's like when I look at, you know, as my
younger son is only twelve and he needs me, but
not as much as he needed me five years ago,
and five years from now is going to need me
even less, you know, And it's unnerving a little. I
think on societal level as well, Like America of course
is changing, It is changing. Everything changes all the time,
(41:52):
and I think that there is an idea that people
have that it always gets better, and I don't.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Know if that's true.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
We don't know, do we No.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Are you a student of history at all?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
And do you little yeah, little yeah, like looking at
the circular way that history unfolds, that we go too
far in one direction and then in another and then
find our balance again, you know. I think in terms
of the environmental stuff, that's the part that is the
most chilling for me, because we don't have time to
dick around with this stuff anymore, we don't.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I think that the environmental stuff fascinates me because it's
such an emotional thing.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
See.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I have a feeling that Americans in particular, but really
everyone in the world, but particularly Americans, are not political
at all.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
They're emotional.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
And I think that the argument for in climate change
right now is very high on everyone's emotional level. But
I think it's also an engineering problem, and I think
that that's a little different. And what I mean is,
I'm like, I'm not in any way saying that one
of this, because of course it exists. But I think
you must add to the emotion the engineering challenge of this.
(43:06):
And I'll tell you what I mean by it. In
the early nineteen hundreds, there was a lot of fear
in Victorian England, particularly in London, that if they didn't
solve the horse problem, that London was actually going to
be under about twenty foot of horseship by fifty years.
And of course the engineering thing changed, and you know,
(43:28):
it's the whack a moll. We're not worried about horseship,
but now we're worried about fossil fuels, and so yes,
the emotion drives the engineering, but there's also the engineering.
I think there has to be. It's not just stopping
carbon emissions, is what I'm saying. It's like, we have
to do something to reverse the problem in the first place.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I agree with you, but I think that it is
now at the level where it is changing so rapidly,
and we are such pigs in this country in terms
of our consumption. I mean, the States is the worst offender.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Is it really I didn't.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Pila definitely.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, And you look at Africa, who I think. I
think it's like five percent of the pollution comes from
the entire continent of Africa, you know, and they're probably
going to have the hardest. This will impact them the
most drastically.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Are you very involved in that world?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Do you?
Speaker 4 (44:27):
What do you do with them?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I mean, how does an individual do that? I mean,
because I find it hard to believe that if I
put you know, plastic in one container and you know,
vegetables in another, that it will help Africa.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Does it work?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
So I'm on the Environmental Media Association board. We just
had a Climate and Impact summit last week. It was
a three day thing where different people who are trying
to work on ways of solving this and a youth
board which we also have, sort of come together and
figure out positive steps you can take, you know, going forward.
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But what it seems to always boil down to is consumption,
and we are such huge consumers here and breaking that
kind of addiction is going to be the biggest challenge.
Like I have to say, if somebody told me, Okay,
you're not gonna be able to drive anymore, You're going
to have to take mass transit. What am I going
to do about my music?
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Well, I guess I'm going to have to put my
earbuts in just blasted that way. I'm being facetious. But
I was sitting the other day when it was pouring rain.
I was going to come and see you, and it
was just way too crazy in story and thinking, God,
how blessed am I to be sitting in this cozy
house with a fire going, and I'm dry and safe
and warm, And there are so many people who are
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not in this situation or it's either too fucking hot
or it's too freezing cold, and it's they don't have
any options. And we have so many options. But it's
going to take those of us who do have those
options to just sort of lead the charge if we're
going to fundamentally change the way this is going in
the direction we're going in.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
It's interesting because I of course agree with you, and
I think that a law, I think probably the majority
of people would agree with you. I think that there
is an emotional distrust out there of the system and
how to do it. I think a lot of people
have lost faith and because there is no real news
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outlet that you can trust like.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
None, like I don't. I still I still find NPR comforting,
all right.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I don't listen to enough NPR, but I like the
idea of you being out there in the rainy house
for the fire going and NPR.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
I still listen to the BBC.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't hold with the BBC anymore.
I mean, I think the journalism.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Is great, but they've let you do.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
But they've let me down a couple of times, and
I'm like, no, that's not what happened, or why didn't
you report on that? Or you know, it's like there
is subject to pressure from outside horses as everyone else.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
You know, what we might need an alien invasion.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
That would certainly bring us all together.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yeah, something that unifies you to realize you really do
share this planet.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
Or maybe a giant comet.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Or a giant commet, you know, asteroid.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Like asteroid, big asteroid coming towards that.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
It be not an invasion, but the aliens come, but
they're far more wise wiser than we are. Yeah. Yeah,
you know, like e T or did you ever see
the Day of the Earth stood still? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (47:34):
Of course, which one corp like Klattultu Metico. Yeah, now
you're talking the Brian the original one, right, That was
Michael Rennie.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Michael Rannie, not Brian Rennie. I think Brian Rennie was
the guy that does.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Let Go with like I was.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I don't remember being in a nut film Michael Ranni
and then Kenna Reeves did the remake of it.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yeah, no, you can't rent that movie.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Although if you've got a chance of doing anything good,
it's with Kenny's really Yeah, I'm a big fan, are you?
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Yeah? I am. Well I should probably revisit him because
I fell out.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Of in what movie one?
Speaker 3 (48:15):
I don't know. I just I found him not so interesting.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
You have to have you seen the John Wick movies. No,
they're awesome.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Okay, they're like a dark.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
Tom Cruise movie, like bad, violent, scary.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
That's why I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, I can't imagine that it's your thing, you know what.
It's not really my thing either. But I watched one
and I thought, oh, you know what, that's awesome. I'm
going to watch that.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
I get it's like a guy thing.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Yeah, it's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
I know. I remember somebody in New York years ago,
who was a writer on Saturday Night Live in the
early days, printed cards saying violence is not entertainment. I'm
kind of I'm sort of a subscriber with that. So
I don't watch violent things. I get that, but I
think it is Saturday Life.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Well.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Also, it's kind of like the gunfight scene or Star
Wars or you know what I mean. It's like violences
and entertainment, you know, Three Stooges. Even in Marks Brought.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
There's something about the violence that's kind of silly and
fun and fantastical, and something about the real terrifying. And
I don't know. I mean, I'm just speaking for myself,
because perhaps that can put some people off and make
them a little more wary of doing that. But we
are such a violent society right now in this country
(49:33):
that I don't know that it's good to glorify that.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Oh I suppose you're right.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Does it desensitize you to violence?
Speaker 4 (49:42):
I suppose it does?
Speaker 3 (49:43):
I think so?
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Yeah, I think so. I think they had to do that.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Do you remember do you remember did you ever see
the movie Alan Ladd was a George Stevens movie? All right,
George Stevens, Yeah, but it was the first Western where
he said, I want real gun on fire. I want
to hear how loud it is. And when it was
first screened in the in the theaters, people said, turn
that way down, it's way too loud. They said, no,
(50:08):
that's the sound of a real gun going off. And
when they punch somebody, you really heard the punch and
you saw the guy go down hard, and it was
it was important. Shane Shane, Shane, you know what.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
I have seen that movie a lot.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
He wanted people to understand that this was real, that
it's not just a boom boom boom boom. You know,
it's uh that that guns kill and punch is hurt.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I remember seeing that when I was a kid in
the Rockford Files the first time, when Jim Gardner would
punch somebody, they go ow ow.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
His hand was sort of everything and it was kind
of cartoony.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
But I remember thinking, because I was, you know, I
get into some scrapes and I was a kid, and
I remember.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Really really hard.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah, you don't just get up and do it again
and then run after the guy after you've had that. No,
I still see these things. Occasionally I'll catch something and
it'll be a guy getting the shit beat out of
them and he gets up and runs after the one
who did it.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Well, you know what, that's also true when people get
drunk in movies. They don't feel that well, they get
I'm really drunk, and then then they say, but we
have to go and do this and go okay, and
they kind of shake it off like that's the arena.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
Apparently that's the adrenaline.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
It's like two months in fucking rehab to stop being
drunk nasty.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
So listen as we get onto that, just very briefly.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
You never because we talked about you taking the bass
notes and the psychedelics.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
But it never drew you in. You never got into
a problem with any of it.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Oh no, no, I actually I think I'm blessed with
moderation and.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You are a very temperate person emotionally, I think. But
I've never been married to you, so I don't.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Well that's true. Yeah, no, I would say, I say,
that's that's kind of I think that's how I'm wired.
So I enjoyed it. But it never interfered with you know,
school or work or anything like that. Admirable, and I'd
like to drink, but you know, not long access. Do
you like to drink Scotch in the winter when it's
really cold, You would really enjoy Scotland. Apart from the
(52:07):
hag Gus, I'm more of a Martini person, but I.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Okay, all right, well also they drink Martini's.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
So you and your husband come to Scotland and we'll
feed you some salmon and whiskey, and you can go to.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
The re church and the Wee Church and you go
to the we church. Sounds like a plan.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
All right, Thanks for coming back.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
It's my joy to be here. See.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
I love that you're so professional.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
I'm just trying to help.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
No, it's all right.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
I like you.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
I think you two.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
That's why we did this.
The Fancy Rascal Tour is just me, Craig Ferguson. I'm
the only performer. There's no opener. How are you going
to do that, Craig, Well, I'll suck for the first
twenty minutes and charge myself a grant so we get
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
My name is Craig Ferguson. This podcast is called Joy.
It's not Rocket Science. I talk to people I like
about their pursuit of happiness. Here's Wendy Malick, a beloved
American actress who, amongst other things, is the voice of
O Jack Horsefleso.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
She's one of my classier friends. Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hey, I haven't seen you since I was the Owl
House on the Disney Channel.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Or did you catch it before it ended? Did it
end sadly? Yes, it was canceled. I think Disney got
nervous because we had a girl kissing a girl on
that show.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
That's some of my favorite stuff is girl.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Why did they not want that because Disney could use that,
could they?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Well? I think Disney could could branch out a little more.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
As you are, are they making any money?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think they've lost money recently, have they really?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I think they could probably lose a little bit and
be okay. I was just talking to someone of that
this morning. Like, you're famously immensely wealthy, right, I don't
have a castle? Well, the castle I live in, to
be fair, it.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Needs to be totally replumbed.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well no, well yeah they do. But also you know
you couldn't get an apartment in New York.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
For the price of my castle.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well that's true.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, so it's not.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
A lot of space there in Scotland.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, I like a lot of like very people. You
live in a land, though, how many how much land
do you have?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Your fifty acres?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
That's plenty, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's a lot for here, although it's almost entirely unusable,
very very steep up and down?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Is it fiery? Do you get fires near your house?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Is it fiery? It's it's vulnerable to fires? Yeah, because
we abut the state park. Okay, so we have a
lot of fuel out there, and our nearest neighbor is
a quarter mile away.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So yeah, have you been affected by the fires.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Of course, I think everybody here is. And you've got
horses too, do I make Do you have a horse transport?
Thing have a horse? We have a two horse trailer,
which doesn't do you much good if you have four
horses and a donkey.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Now do you have four horses and a donkey? Or
three horses?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Now we have three? I forgot okay.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Because I thought, wait a minute, you told me.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
We have three and a half animals. And you've always
been a horsey person. No, No, I mean I lived
in New York for seventeen years before I moved here,
and as a kid, I did those trail rides where
the only time you go fast is when you're on
the way back to the bar. Yeah, they're barely a
person in front of you.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
It's kind of in the Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So when you see people you walk up the hills,
you see people in the bike, they're just like that.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You can dress it up, but you can't teach him
how to ride. No. I didn't start until I was
forty when I moved to to Panga.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
First of all, I'm surprised to hear that you're over forty,
and also.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, I'm older than you are. No, you have to
show me some respect.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Really, are you? You know me? I'm not going to
ask you, but you're nobody thinks.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So, I think so. No, I am definitely in my
third act, well into my third act.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Do you worry about it?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I know, but I but worry is something that you
do you even if you there is nothing to do, like.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I That's why I keep busy, so I don't have
time to, like, you know, worry too much.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You do like you go out and clean the horses
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That's part of it.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, my wife does that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well. I hate to meet your wife.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah you do.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I think that shoveling ship is a very relaxing zen exercise.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, I've never found it particularly appealing whenever I've had
to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Do you have dogs as well? Yes?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
What kind of dogs?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Now?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
We have a shepherd. I think she's a what does
she called the melt malono? Yeah, yeah, Melani. She's a
rescue but she's like a greyhound shepherd mixed. She's really fast,
has a long, thin tail, really long legs. Yeah, kind
of like you, A little bit kind of like me. Actually,
we do look alike a picture later.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Normally, I mean, I would never say you wear a melon.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Wow. But if I had the long face, yeah I was.
If I was, you know, looking for a voice of
a Malon, wir would be me and a cartoon I
was doing, I'd be like, I wonder if Wendy's available,
because she's got totally doing I think I should. Yeah,
So have you been doing a lot of that cartoon
voicey stuff? Yeah? Did you have very a very sexy voice? Yeah,
(05:07):
I do, Yeah, you do right now.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Sexy voice. It's it's low.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Actually. Lauras Sandracomo years ago said, did you ever do
you know voiceovers or do cartoons stuff like that? And
and I thought, you know, I did some commercials when
I was starting out in New York and figured, well,
I don't have to do those anymore. I think I'm
going to bag it. And she said, no, you really should.
They're really kind of fun. And I got this great
Cadillac commercial right out of the box and started doing
(05:34):
animated stuff and I love it. I love to just
work with my voice. Yeah, it's nice. I like doing it.
I mean some of it is just a lot of
screaming and stupid.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
When they call it walla when you have to go.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I don't really to bring people in to do your own. No,
I don't. But some of them are way more fun
than others. I mean, for me, BoJack Horse and I
played his mother. I know that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
To me, that's the greatest animated series.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think it's so brilliant and the art direction is
so insanely good, and you can watch them three or
four times and see new stuff. It's so densely animated
and gorgeous and funny and heartbreaking. And they gave me
this amazing thing to do in the last season where
you found out why I was such a witch.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, you were evil. You were an evil character.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And I had a horrible childhood.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, and you personally didn't have a horrible.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
No, I had a really good one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's weird that you would become a performer and a
successful performer and have a happy childhood. I don't think
that's common.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Betty White did. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But when Betty, I mean Betty who we both knew
and loved.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
But when Betty was a child, you know, it was
a different time. There were like they'd just come up
with a wheel.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
They just they just came up with television, that's for sure.
Well they actually hadn't, because I remember right, and she
was doing radio still in theater before TV predated television.
That's true.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I met because I was so sad.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, obviously when Betty passed, it was very sad.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
But she loved you too, Oh, I ado order.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
You know, she was the first person I worked with
when I came to Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You're kidding.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, she had just come off the Golden Palace, which
was the one after.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
The Golden Girls.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
God I missed that.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, it wasn't the was the worst thing she did,
because the worst thing she did was the one she
did after the Golden Palace.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
It was a show called Maybe This Time Maybe it
was Me, Betty White, Marie Osmond.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Oh my, yeah, but you know.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
What, you know, in my wildest dreams, I can't imagine
that cast.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You know. Actually, both of those women, I loved them
both and I still do. They were both great to me.
They were both fabulous. Marie had some personal stuff that
I don't connect to in the same way religiony wise,
but religion, Yeah, religion. It's very earthy, kind of like
funny person. And Betty, of course is that's forcing it.
How long did you guys do Hot in Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I think it was six years.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
God, that was a great show to do.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It was such a gift and so utterly unexpected. Yeah,
you know, for well, you realize you look around in
how many series are anchored by women over fifty? Yeah,
I guess, and we were like fifty sixty ninety Yeah,
so pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It was the best smelling set I've ever been out
of my life.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
There was that kind of when you.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Like there was lavender near Betty and then there was
the more exotic perfumes.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It was you in Valerie Dan.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Mine was Egyptian must oh.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I know you are Egyptian, right, or you are Egyptian
heritage a quarter that I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Have you been to Egypt? No? And I was invited
by my grandfather, but he was a Pentecostal minister and
way too strict, so I didn't go with him, right,
But I do need to. I've been to Africa many times.
But never to Egypt. I'd like to go to Perhaps
we could go together, maybe we'll go.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well, Megan is the name of the women I'm married to,
so I've heard right. So Meghan and I were talking
about maybe doing a Nile cruise.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I know, I think that would be really fascinating.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Does this fact you go down then Isle and you
kind of see the pyramids and stuff, but you're still
on your own.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Little bit can touch you or talk to you.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, I see, exact quite like that. I'm not good
at mixing. I.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Craig Ferguson will be hitting the road again this summer
and fall, bringing the Fancy Rascal Tour to your region.
For tickets and full list of tour dates, go to
my website, the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Come see me live or don't so listen. You started
out in Buffalo, is that right? You're from Buffalo, which
is almost Canadian? Are you okay with that?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Okay? Oh yeah? Did you go up to Canada every summer?
Were you? Summer? We had a summer house on Lake Erie.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
See, so you were well Ontario?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
You're well, no, no, no, I grew up in a very
middle class family my grandparents. My grandfather did quite well
and was able to retire early.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And they built this is the Pentecostal No, no, no, this is
the fun.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
One, right. He had a hotel and restaurants, okay, And
they built that house the year I was born on
the beach and it was three sides of it were
a Carolinian forest and the front was was just sand
dunes going down to this beautiful beach and the water
was right there. And uh, do you have siblings, Yeah,
a brother and a sister.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
So you guys were just swallows and amazons around.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Oh, you could just you could just be free all
day and play. And the woods. My mother always called
it a cathedral of trees, and that to this day
is kind of my church. Trees.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
So you're not a Pentecostal, Coptic Christian or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I'm a nature advocate.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Are you religious?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
So no? No, but I would say spiritual.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, no, I just I rejected all of it for years.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
But as I get older, I found myself hedging my
bets a little more.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So do you go to church? I built one near
the castle.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
There was an old building in the place where I
live in Scotland and it was derelict and during the lockdown,
I did an event to do so I thought, I
think that was a church, and I'm going to put
it back.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
So I went on YouTube and there's.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Very much I'm not religious at all, but I thought,
you know, it probably should be a church if there's
a if there was an old estate like this.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So I put it back and I you know, pain
do you go in and meditate?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And I do.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm not churchy, but I like, I don't invite other
people in. But I bought church pews from a place that,
you know, salvage yard.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The guys that were delivering it said, this isn't a bar.
I went no, I said, we've never delivered church pews
to a church before. They usually take them out of
churches and put them in bars. But I'd bought them
and I put them in and it looks just like
a little Scottish church.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I go, do you have stained glass windows?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
No, we're we're from a different flavor where stained glass
windows are.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
That's probably a little too.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, it's a little it's like, yeah, it's a little
imagery wise.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I mean they do it in Protestant churches.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
They do, and actually I don't, but I will be
honest with you. I have ordered some the but just
tiny little ones like window pantes. It's not a giant
it's a tiny wee building pews.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Like a chapel. Yeah, oh no, I think you don't
think of doing that? In you what I do? If
I may share it with you, Yes, that's why I'm here. Yeah.
Have you ever been to Big Sir? Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I have.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Okay, we we did a retreat there, a tai Chi retreat.
You I didn't. I mean I'd had a little training
that I didn't really know what I was doing. But
a year ago Thanksgiving, we went for a tai chi
retreat class thing with this Chinese master and one of
the things we did was this morning salutation to the sunrise,
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and we'd all gather on this cliff and watch the
sun and come up behind the mountain. And he taught
us just some basic moves of welcoming the day. And
it's a it's a gratitude ritual. So I now do
that every morning, do you really? I do it when
I want my dog first thing, and when I'm out
just looking at the mountains and the beauty and I
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sort of say thank you, and I take in energy
that I need and send out healing or forgiveness or
peace or whatever it is I want to sort of
send into the world and then gratitude for what remains,
including my own body. Well, it's not quite what it
used to be.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I don't know. I look.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I know that it's not allowed to comment on people's appearance,
but yours is spectacular. So you may say that, yeah,
well then it is, though I mean, but I.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Mean things like you know, arthritis and you know the
I don't have a lot of cartilage, stuff like that.
It's just part of the deal.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, you because you started out, you were a model.
When you started, right you were doing modeling. Were you
very self conscious? Because whenever I've talked to Megan, my
wife did modeling when she was young as well. And
she's still young obviously but always always forever young. Yeah,
but she's quite she's very critical of herself.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Are you like that?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I certainly was when I started, because I knew what
my good side was. I just was, you know, very
self conscious about how to stand, how to move. You know,
my smile is crooked, which I'm really aware of. I
think there was a time. It's probably during dream On,
which was in nineteen ninety. I think we shot the
pilot right where I went from being the straight woman
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for Brian ben Ben to being a real character actress,
like I was a neurotic psychologist and they found out
I was funny and they let me run with it.
And that was a huge gift because I didn't have
to be per effect. I didn't have to be angreen
new like and I never really was. I was always
sort of the.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Did you feel like? It was an overused word. But
the environment for models, I think is very tough. But
I don't know what it's like because I'm not a
modal and I never have beened. But whenever I talked
to male or female people who have done it, it's
a very kind of abusive almost environment that people are
so mean to do.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, and it's you know, there's nothing to back up this.
This is kind of what you've got to offer. So
no matter how interesting you are talented in other ways,
it really is all about your face and your body.
And when that's all you have to go on, you
can really lose your mind.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I think, yeah, I think, so, did you lose your mind?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
When you were doing no, because I never started. I
mean I went to New York to act after college
and I was making like seventy five dollars a week
and having to waitress on the side, right, And someone
came up to me in Times Square and asked me
if I'd ever modeled, and I, wow, I've done that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay, I think I think someone said that to me
once in Times Square and it went very.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Badly, and it was for a different kind of magazine.
He said, you should come meet. Well, I mean you
I wish I did. And I just took five years
because I wanted to travel. I have huge wander lust
and I couldn't afford to do it until I became
a model. So then I ended up living in Paris
for a year and I went all over the world
shooting because I got ten in a day because of
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the Egyptian and I had a blast. But I knew
it was just for temporary, that I was going to
go back and go back to acting, which I did
in when I was thirty.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Right, So, because I guess model, it's kind of that
kind of thing to describe, and then certainly your career
is over as a model of.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
It I mean, there are models out there that have
been doing it for twenty five years and they look amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I think, no, it's a little different. I think you.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I mean you could model. You could do a modeling
campaign right now.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Road Hard and put Away No, although that is.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
A good name for a brand.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I think road Hard.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
You can put them away wet, they'll come out the next.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Day to the great.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So you went back to did you come to LA
after that then? Or you used to go back to me?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I went back to New York and was there until well,
my ex husband and I we had a place in
the village and were there from eighty two to eighty nine,
I guess, And we're going back and forth a lot.
He's a screenwriter. But then I got a job here
and a series, my first one in No Actually it
was called Trauma Center Doctor Bridget Blaine.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh my god, I waste I see Trauma Center. Is
they don't make enough of that kind of thing anymore?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Or maybe the time I had a mask on so
it was all about the eyes. Reminded me of all
the all the nurses during the pandemic who all got
those eyelashes because that's the only thing they had to
do in the morning to sort of get ready for
the day out. Strange by the way it was after
the pandemic. You'd be you'd have worked with people, well
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you didn't work during the pandemic. That you probably don't know.
But I would see the same people every day on
sets and in the medical the people who would test you,
and I knew them all by their eyes. But then
every once in a while you'd be outside and somebody
would take their mask off, and it was just so shocking.
It was like potato head. Sometimes it didn't match.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Or it was like someone taking their pants off or
something like.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
It was shocked.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So I saw the full faced, nose, lips, everything. No,
it was a revolution, Yeah, no, it was. It was
weird how it quickly went. And that's if you wore masks.
Some people didn't wear them because they didn't believe.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Do you want to go down that road? You have
a lot of touchers. I don't think i've ever seen
your arms before.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Well, I used to mask them up when I was
on hout in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Because it wasn't appropriate for the housekeeper. Nobody when you're
in drag, it wouldn't have worked.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, I did do some drag working missus. Doubtfire, that's right.
I think that would get me in trouble, now, wouldn't it.
Or people are angry at drag queens or I'm not
a drag queen. But I did my best, and certainly
they were drag queens were charming, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I did my very best.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I always felt, and I've had to in my life
dress up as a lady for various different roles, and
whenever I dress up as a lady, I look more
like a guy.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
It's a very.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Reverse You wouldn't transition.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, no, no, it's not for me.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Fabulous hair though, thank you? And so have you ever
dre you? I think could maybe did drag queen? Well,
I think you could pull off androgeny a little bit.
I mean, you're very totally.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I totally do.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I mean I love to wear men suiting and.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, I think that would be a good look for you.
Did you play around with that when you were younger,
like they.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Well, my best friend was a boy until I was twelve,
Johnny Proseski, and we used to play John and Mary
Pioneer family, and we each had little baby guns and
stuff from we used to Yeah, wow, we slept out
in a ford together and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I was actually going a bit later.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I was thinking in New York, like, but you went
to twelve years old with Johnny as a pioneer family.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
That's good. Did you guys have children or no?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
No, we didn't have a children. It wasn't about the sex.
It was all.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
About did you have children as a pioneer family.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
No? No, no kids. We didn't have time because we
were too busy defending our fort oh.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Against imaginary invaders. Okay, I got it. So you came
out to La and you started working here, and the
dream on was that what was the name of your
character in Trauma Center again?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Bridget Blane? Bridget Blane, I see, I proad they know
some Bridge of Plaines, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
A lot of I've had some Bridget Plane jobs over
the years as well.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I think it was pretty silly, but it was my first,
you know, I think it g gig and I was
very excited.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I thought, La, when was this be the eighties.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Ninetees, nineteen ninety, I think nineteen eighty. I think I
got that job in eighty four, eighty five something like that, because.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I remember La and I moved here in the mid nineties,
and I always thought Ellie was for a town as
big as it was kind of like sleepy in an
old way. It was quiet, and then certainly people who
were working were they all went home at eight.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
O'clock at night or it's such an early town. Yeah, yeah,
it really is. I mean there's there is a sector
of LA that is the clubs and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yeah, but they're not working.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
They're not working too. They don't have to get up
the next morning.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
They're not going to the set.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But it's not like New York where you can go
out to dinner at ten o'clock.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
And no, I can't do that now anyway. I get
I get acid reflux if Yeah. I sat next to
a very attractive women at a wedding about six months
ago and we were just chatting and I said, oh,
it's so funny, like back of the day, we would
have both had drugs as she went yeah, and then
she brought acid tablets and I had a tablet we
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both had. We both had stuff for asid reflux. But
you know, tit moves on.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Oh no, I have friends who say, do you want
to do a blue hair dinner? Tonight at five.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Thirty, five thirty.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I love it. Well, I need to have four hours
before I lie down or.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Um yeah, yeah no. And it's also here, I think
you're much more in tune with nature, so you get
up when the sun gets comes up. And out there
in the Santa Monica Mountains.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
The Santamonica Mountains, Yeah, it's lovely out there.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's beautiful. No, it's I call it my nearest barrowing place.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Don't you hate the commune coming in though? Did you
drive yourself?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah? I like to drive. Yeah, no, I think if
you live in a because you know, one of my
joys is oh yeah, that's right, Oh thanks pal. Yeah.
One of my favorite things is finding music and blasting it,
which is why I don't like people to be in
the car with me very often, right because I listened
to it pretty loud. Do you listen to me? A
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very eclectic taste. But right now I'm listening to this song,
this sting song, she Walks upon the Earth. It's a
little bit of a also rhythm. It's some Brazilian guy
I think wrote it. But that's my latest addition to
my playlist. And when I'm driving and I hear a
great song that just brings me so much joy. I
can't tell you so. I love to drive and listen
to music.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
But you're quite solitary. Then it seems to me that
you quite like your own company. You're out there doing
slow Kung Fu in the morning, and then you're just
you in the malinoir and then you like to drive
in your own.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I like to drive it on my own, but then
I like to get to the place where I get
to hang out with people I like, and then I
get to go and play. When I arrive.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Does it still hold like acting is still fun?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Then it's still playing? Absolutely? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I
don't want to ever stop. I don't think I could
do what you did and go off for two years
and live in a castle where it rains every day.
I don't think I could do that.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Well, you'd end up building the church.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Is what happens. Is you're building a time I become
a nun.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
You never know you'd be a great nun.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I played a nun in a movie, and yeah, it
was called what was it called?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Because I think I've seen that movie, because I think
I've seen you as aenough big.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Show who was a big wrestler in the w W
really a wrestling non movie. He was he was in
an orphan. She was an oversized orphan, right, and I was.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It was the Rock. It was the Rock, isn't It.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Wasn't the Rock, but it was. His name was Big Show.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
That was his name was a big show, Big Show.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, And uh, I just don't need to go any further.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But no, I think you played the nun in the
orphanage the Big Show was an orphan and then went
on to wrestle.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
You didn't see the movie.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I missed that. You know.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I have to say I have done movies I haven't
seen and I have no interest in seeing.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I know, well and and maybe I'll just want to
see my scene. But that's enough. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
When sometimes when you be honest, when you get a script,
you just look at your lines and go yeah, yeah,
I do that time. So I was very surprised, especially
with voiceover stuff. When I did the How To Train
Your Dragon movies. I went to the premiere, I was like,
this is really good.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Oh you had no idea what the story.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I just it was like me going.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
And then I was like, oh, this is a good movie.
I'm really pleased.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, because usually, with the exception of Hot in Cleveland
and a couple of other things, mostly what I'm in
his garbage?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Do you think that so? Did you have aspirations to
do something a little meteor? Yeah? I think so. At
the beginning, did you ever do like, were you ever
classically trained or no? No, no, no, nothing like that, But.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I kind of I think at the beginning, before I
knew how the sausage was made, I was like, Oh,
I want to really act, like, really do some serious acting.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Then you meet some serious actors, they go, this guy's
a fucking dick.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I can't take this.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
There's like people like, you know, squinting into the l
and that quizzical look and being very worried about it.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Very Oh. There's a lot of that, especially for men.
A lot of yeallow, looks like it's going to rain,
looks like yeah, a lot of mumbley.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I'd like to do a Western.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I would like to I would too, I'd love to
do we could do Pioneering Family.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Okay, let's think about let's Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
No, I'm not I'm not sensing a huge deal of
enthusiasm for.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
No, no, no, I'd love to. I mean I can
ride still, right, and I should do it. Do you
know Bill Shatner he was on Hot in Cleveland. Of course,
he was his gallery's neighbor, I think, right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Bill didn't start riding horses till he was fifty.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, well I was forty. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I think that's why he's still healthy and you know,
around healthy. Esh well, not in his brain, but I
think he'd be the first to admit it. He's fucking crazy.
Yeah yeah, yeah, he's crazy and angry, but it's a
lot of fun if you get in the right side.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah. Yeah, he is fun. Yeah he has He's Canadian.
A lot of Canadians are fun, you know, people say people.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Say that.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Enrico calling Tony Okay, have you ever like interviewed him
one of the most hilarious, brilliant, fabulous He was on
Just Shoot Me with Me. He was the bald guy,
the photographer. Oh yeah, yes, amazing, amazing actor and a
fabulous human. Jim Carrey, Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, Mike Myers. So that proves your Pat O'Hara.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Catherine O'Hara is great.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Did she ever known in Cleveland. Mm hmm yeah on
Cleveland to me seemed like it was. It was a
really good place to meet people that you were in
Oh no, no, no stars.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I remember Kay was there one day. I was like
and he said, could I have a selfie with you?
I was like, yes, you got George Kay.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
My favorite was when when Carol Burnett came and she
played my mother and I'd grown up you know, watching
her show, and.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Which was that?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Because funny woman Jews? Were you drawn to comedy right away?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah? Yeah. My favorite thing that brings me great joy,
thank you for doing that, is when you get to
dive into something that's really well written and you get
to be human with all of that that that entails.
So I think Fraser did it really well right. Fraser
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was a comedy where they also allowed for people to
go into a dark place and to have a serious
moment that was earned and it didn't have to always
end on some sort of yucky, you know, sticky laughter,
which a lot of very It was a really smart
group of writers.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And uh, yeah, they're rebooting that. I think they're going
to make a new Fraser.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, but it's not anything like nobody from Kelsey's the
only one in it, James. No, No, it's not nor
Perry nor David so uh yeah. But that was a
fun one to work on. But I'm I'm working right
now on an Apple TV show, shrinking. Have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I've not seen it yet, But is that the one
with Harrison Ford and Jason Siegel.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
You probably know Jessica Miller, who's so great. He was
on The Daily Show. She was a correspondent. I don't know,
but I do know Jason hilarious woman. I play Harrison's neurologist,
nice and we end up having a thing Harrison Ford.
Uh huh, that's all right, it's all right. And it
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was so much fun to work with him, for one thing,
because he's a doll.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
He was on the Late Night Show. He was a
lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
He's really great. Yeah he's like real curmudgeingly, but he's
actually really fun.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah, it's that funny thing.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Very and I told him he was like an old
he was like my favorite old pair of jeans. And
that's the highest compliment I could pay a man. But
that show allows you to go into some darker places.
It's the same people who did Ted Lazo and you know,
which is just a wonderful It just sort of the
whole spectrum of human behavior, and so people can find
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joy and sorrow and all of it. And as actors,
getting a chance to play in that kind of a
playground is much more gratifying than just join stray comedy.
If there's no underlying thing, you earn your laps much
more when you let people in to see your vulnerability.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Well, I think that that draws me more than just stick.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
But the idea of even even this podcast was all
about I hate the word podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
It feels like, I know, let's find a different word.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Radio conversation, radio program, this radio program that goes on
computers and phones. Now, the whole idea behind these conversations
that is that I wanted to talk to people, not
necessarily about joy, but that had a positive impact on me.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
People I liked.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Oh really, is that why you invited me? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I like you.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I don't want to invite people if I don't know them,
like you, I know, because we work together, and I
liked you, and I still like you even although when
you come in you said, oh, you've gained a few
pounds and the uh, And I still want.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's only because I care about you.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yes, I know, because I speak La and you've gained
a few pounds.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Means, my god, what.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
The fuck is deer in the rain in Scotland.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
God, you've been sitting in Scotland eating pies magis.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I don't eat the high as much.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You invited me once to my husband. I were going
to be in England, and you said, if you come
up to Scotland if fedure some magas from Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Well, and that remains open.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
You can never eat eggs vegetation anymore. Yeah, but I
would have some of your salmon if it's fresh.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh yeah, I got about of salmon. But I tell
you what Mick Sweden's vegetarian agis. Oh yeah, you may
make that face, but I'm telling you it's great.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But see, I don't like any of that plant based
stuff that's supposed to taste like meat.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
It's not meant to taste like me.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's vegetarian hagis, and it predates plant based stuff. Even
although it's plant based, it predates plants, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
It's made of dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It's dinosaury, which counts. Yeah, it's Prestride, Dinosaury. It's it's
vegetarian haggis from Xsweens and Edinburgh's delicious.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Now how about I just come and we have salmon.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah, you can have salmon as well.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's the church and you can go to the I'll
show you the church that you'd be very You'd be like,
this isn't a church a building?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
The church?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
It's the church.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I love that. Yeah. No, it's a chapel.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
No, chapel sounds a little Oh it's bigger than a
chap No, no, no, no, it's it's small. I mean
it's about the size of maybe the rumor in right now,
that's a chapel. Is that a chapel? Right, it's a
little chapel, man, And you can go and do the
chap You don't get married in there now. But the
thing is, I used to be quite atheistic.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I'm not atheistic anymore. Are you an atheist?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I don't think so. I think I still believe there
is some greater thing and something I love. My daughter
is in Europe right now and she keeps just randomly
running into people she knows from like boarding school. I
mean she's twenty one and she three times has run
into people in Paris, in Amsterdam that's very cool, which
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I just love. And she said, can you believe it?
And I said, you know, I really do think there's
a master plan to all of this. I don't think
these things are accidents. I think that a lot of this,
a lot of this is an unfolding script that's already
been written.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I think that that's right, and I think that you
can choose to believe it.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
It's almost like you can choose to be positive.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, you can choose to believe, or you can dismiss
it as it's all random and chaotic, which is they're
both equally unprovable.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, so you might as well. I mean that.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I remember I was talking to a friend of mine
who's very devout, I suppose, and he said, look, if
I get to the other side after all of this
and somebody or nothing happens, or somebody says, no, you
got it totally wrong, what does it matter. I had
a good time, I liked it made me feel better,
and I kind of I'm impressed by that. Also, the idea,
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because atheism is so didactic and religious as a stance,
and it's fundamentalism.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I don't do well with that, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And also you're saying Einstein wrong, Socrates is wrong, Isaac
Newton wrong, Planto wrong.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And on that note, I told you I lost my
mom about three weeks agow very sorry at ninety four.
She had a great run, and she was ready there
at the end of she said to my brother. At
one point she looked up and said, oh, you kids
are so darling to be here. I know you have
lives of your own, and I'm sorry it's taking me
so long to die.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
She was, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
But when she finally left, same thing happened with my dad.
He waited for us. But I realized that. And if
you've ever been around I've never been around a person
when they actually passed, but I've been around many many
animals that we've had to put down over the years,
and the second they go, the energy just goes wosh. Yeah,
(35:20):
because energy doesn't die. So whatever that soul or that
spirit is, that that is in all of us, that
continues somewhere somehow how I don't know, but it isn't
a complete end of everything that was that person, no,
or that that creature. I think that's right.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I think also whenever you talk, particularly with atheists, who
are you know, it's kind of like people who are
really into weed.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I'm like, shut up about your atheism and your fucking weed.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Shut up. I don't mind you having't it. Just keep
the stank of me. And do you smoke a little
weed on occasion?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Well you don't smell of it, So well done.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I'm just oh, very rarely. Yeah, but I do like
I like a little chocolate at night, dark chocolate.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You were going to see pod or something like.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
A little acid on weekends? Me?
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Did you ever get into that? Did you ever get
druggy for any length of time?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Sure? Really? Oh? Yeah, cocaine, I suppose No, I never
liked coke. I'm wired enough. I like things that are chill.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
You like the base.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I did love I love tripping when I was in college.
Really yeah. Oh it was so much fun for a
group of people that you knew and trusted, and it
was really really fascinating and mind blowing. And I'm kind of.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Great, quite surprised to hear you say that that that
you were into psychedelics. That would you get so you
do it properly. You set together, we're all going to
take this.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yes, the same yah with people that we loved, and
we always could be in nature outside and uh, total
trust thing. And yeah, I know it was quite wonderful,
but it just takes way too long to come back
down from when.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
You laugh and then it's day three.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Well, and having just these amazing epiphanies you know.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, what epiphanies did you have?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Oh? I just yes, I do. Remember. It was kind
of the same thing I had first thought about when
I was sitting on the we used to sleep on
the beach at that place in Canada, my summer rouge,
and I remember being a kid and looking up at
the stars and thinking, so, I wonder what is beyond
what I can see, and what's beyond that, and that
whole concept of infinity, which is like so mind boxing,
(37:30):
but the whole idea that we are just this tiny
little speck in this giant universe among other universes. And
there was something about all of that that I think
has informed my adulthood and realizing that there is something
else going on here that we can't quite fully comprehend,
(37:52):
and not just about the small stuff too much.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I think that that it's very helpful in that regard.
I mean, if I have a belief in a deity
or a god, and I'm like you, there's something it's
not all normal. And I can't imagine that that deity,
that enormity would be worried about what I would wear when,
(38:25):
and who I would love and what you should read? Yeah,
and what words I say out loud, like if one's
got an F in the front or something. It's like,
I don't get all the the pressure of all that.
That's a people thing, I think, is not a god thing.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Now, And I think this whole kind of extremist sort
of positioning on who you should love, yeah, and what
you should read.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
And it's a real throwback all that.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
It is a throwback. It seems like we're going back
into like the Stone agers.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's just not It's funny because I think about that.
You have a daughter who's twenty one. I have a
son who's the same age, twenty one. That generation are
much maligned by people of our generation. I was calling
them woke and calling them names basically because they believe
in a different way. And I fell into that trap
(39:21):
a little bit myself. But because I work in humor
and so I'm like.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
I should be able to say what I want.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Then I know I get yelled at about pronouns.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, well, you know, if you change the reals that fast,
you got to give me a chance to catch out.
I mean, but I think the thing is my son
said to me, well, what do you want to say
that you're not getting llowed to say? I said, well, nothing,
I guess, but I should be allowed to say what
I said. You can't say what you want, But what
do you want to say that it's so injectionable?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
I went, I don't think there is anything.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
But I think it's fear of getting older for a
lot of people. I think the idea of calling younger
people names is because as you're afraid.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Well, and I think and I remember going back to
when Obama won the election and my mother, who was
a lovely person and doesn't have a mean or racist
bone in her body, but she actually was thinking about
voting for him. But she said, I'd never vote for Hillary.
But my dad got to her and she ended up
voting for Hillary. No oh oh, oh, oh, she went
(40:22):
the other way. Yeah, she went the other way. But afterwards,
when Obama won, she said, you must be very happy.
She knew I had gone out and canvassed and worked
hard for him, and she said, well, I guess it's
just hard for me because I don't recognize this country
anymore because she was so accustomed to it being run
by people who looked like her father, who were old,
(40:45):
white guys. And I think it was just such a change,
and she was worried that. And it was when we
had the House and the Senate and Obama, you know,
that brief period of time, and she said, I just
want there to be more of a balance, and I
feel like everything is changing so fast I can't keep up.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I think that's what age feels like sometimes. Yeah, I
think your mother is accurate in the sense of the
sensation of it. But if you think back to your
Pentecostal grandfather and how your life in Paris when you
were a young woman, how different and terrifying that would
have been to him. I think watching the youth is
(41:23):
frightening because they don't need you.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I think that, And at the same time, that's exactly
what you hope for, exactly.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
It's it's the weird thing.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
It's like when I look at, you know, as my
younger son is only twelve and he needs me, but
not as much as he needed me five years ago,
and five years from now is going to need me
even less, you know, And it's unnerving a little. I
think on societal level as well, Like America of course
is changing, It is changing. Everything changes all the time,
(41:52):
and I think that there is an idea that people
have that it always gets better, and I don't.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Know if that's true.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
We don't know, do we No.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Are you a student of history at all?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
And do you little yeah, little yeah, like looking at
the circular way that history unfolds, that we go too
far in one direction and then in another and then
find our balance again, you know. I think in terms
of the environmental stuff, that's the part that is the
most chilling for me, because we don't have time to
dick around with this stuff anymore, we don't.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I think that the environmental stuff fascinates me because it's
such an emotional thing.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
See.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I have a feeling that Americans in particular, but really
everyone in the world, but particularly Americans, are not political
at all.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
They're emotional.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
And I think that the argument for in climate change
right now is very high on everyone's emotional level. But
I think it's also an engineering problem, and I think
that that's a little different. And what I mean is,
I'm like, I'm not in any way saying that one
of this, because of course it exists. But I think
you must add to the emotion the engineering challenge of this.
(43:06):
And I'll tell you what I mean by it. In
the early nineteen hundreds, there was a lot of fear
in Victorian England, particularly in London, that if they didn't
solve the horse problem, that London was actually going to
be under about twenty foot of horseship by fifty years.
And of course the engineering thing changed, and you know,
(43:28):
it's the whack a moll. We're not worried about horseship,
but now we're worried about fossil fuels, and so yes,
the emotion drives the engineering, but there's also the engineering.
I think there has to be. It's not just stopping
carbon emissions, is what I'm saying. It's like, we have
to do something to reverse the problem in the first place.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I agree with you, but I think that it is
now at the level where it is changing so rapidly,
and we are such pigs in this country in terms
of our consumption. I mean, the States is the worst offender.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Is it really I didn't.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Pila definitely.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, And you look at Africa, who I think. I
think it's like five percent of the pollution comes from
the entire continent of Africa, you know, and they're probably
going to have the hardest. This will impact them the
most drastically.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Are you very involved in that world?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Do you?
Speaker 4 (44:27):
What do you do with them?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I mean, how does an individual do that? I mean,
because I find it hard to believe that if I
put you know, plastic in one container and you know,
vegetables in another, that it will help Africa.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Does it work?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
So I'm on the Environmental Media Association board. We just
had a Climate and Impact summit last week. It was
a three day thing where different people who are trying
to work on ways of solving this and a youth
board which we also have, sort of come together and
figure out positive steps you can take, you know, going forward.
(45:01):
But what it seems to always boil down to is consumption,
and we are such huge consumers here and breaking that
kind of addiction is going to be the biggest challenge.
Like I have to say, if somebody told me, Okay,
you're not gonna be able to drive anymore, You're going
to have to take mass transit. What am I going
to do about my music?
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Well, I guess I'm going to have to put my
earbuts in just blasted that way. I'm being facetious. But
I was sitting the other day when it was pouring rain.
I was going to come and see you, and it
was just way too crazy in story and thinking, God,
how blessed am I to be sitting in this cozy
house with a fire going, and I'm dry and safe
and warm, And there are so many people who are
(45:41):
not in this situation or it's either too fucking hot
or it's too freezing cold, and it's they don't have
any options. And we have so many options. But it's
going to take those of us who do have those
options to just sort of lead the charge if we're
going to fundamentally change the way this is going in
the direction we're going in.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
It's interesting because I of course agree with you, and
I think that a law, I think probably the majority
of people would agree with you. I think that there
is an emotional distrust out there of the system and
how to do it. I think a lot of people
have lost faith and because there is no real news
(46:21):
outlet that you can trust like.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
None, like I don't. I still I still find NPR comforting,
all right.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I don't listen to enough NPR, but I like the
idea of you being out there in the rainy house
for the fire going and NPR.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
I still listen to the BBC.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't hold with the BBC anymore.
I mean, I think the journalism.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Is great, but they've let you do.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
But they've let me down a couple of times, and
I'm like, no, that's not what happened, or why didn't
you report on that? Or you know, it's like there
is subject to pressure from outside horses as everyone else.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
You know, what we might need an alien invasion.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
That would certainly bring us all together.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yeah, something that unifies you to realize you really do
share this planet.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
Or maybe a giant comet.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Or a giant commet, you know, asteroid.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Like asteroid, big asteroid coming towards that.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
It be not an invasion, but the aliens come, but
they're far more wise wiser than we are. Yeah. Yeah,
you know, like e T or did you ever see
the Day of the Earth stood still? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (47:34):
Of course, which one corp like Klattultu Metico. Yeah, now
you're talking the Brian the original one, right, That was
Michael Rennie.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Michael Rannie, not Brian Rennie. I think Brian Rennie was
the guy that does.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Let Go with like I was.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I don't remember being in a nut film Michael Ranni
and then Kenna Reeves did the remake of it.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yeah, no, you can't rent that movie.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Although if you've got a chance of doing anything good,
it's with Kenny's really Yeah, I'm a big fan, are you?
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Yeah? I am. Well I should probably revisit him because
I fell out.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Of in what movie one?
Speaker 3 (48:15):
I don't know. I just I found him not so interesting.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
You have to have you seen the John Wick movies. No,
they're awesome.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Okay, they're like a dark.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
Tom Cruise movie, like bad, violent, scary.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
That's why I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, I can't imagine that it's your thing, you know what.
It's not really my thing either. But I watched one
and I thought, oh, you know what, that's awesome. I'm
going to watch that.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
I get it's like a guy thing.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Yeah, it's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
I know. I remember somebody in New York years ago,
who was a writer on Saturday Night Live in the
early days, printed cards saying violence is not entertainment. I'm
kind of I'm sort of a subscriber with that. So
I don't watch violent things. I get that, but I
think it is Saturday Life.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Well.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Also, it's kind of like the gunfight scene or Star
Wars or you know what I mean. It's like violences
and entertainment, you know, Three Stooges. Even in Marks Brought.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
There's something about the violence that's kind of silly and
fun and fantastical, and something about the real terrifying. And
I don't know. I mean, I'm just speaking for myself,
because perhaps that can put some people off and make
them a little more wary of doing that. But we
are such a violent society right now in this country
(49:33):
that I don't know that it's good to glorify that.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Oh I suppose you're right.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Does it desensitize you to violence?
Speaker 4 (49:42):
I suppose it does?
Speaker 3 (49:43):
I think so?
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Yeah, I think so. I think they had to do that.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Do you remember do you remember did you ever see
the movie Alan Ladd was a George Stevens movie? All right,
George Stevens, Yeah, but it was the first Western where
he said, I want real gun on fire. I want
to hear how loud it is. And when it was
first screened in the in the theaters, people said, turn
that way down, it's way too loud. They said, no,
(50:08):
that's the sound of a real gun going off. And
when they punch somebody, you really heard the punch and
you saw the guy go down hard, and it was
it was important. Shane Shane, Shane, you know what.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
I have seen that movie a lot.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
He wanted people to understand that this was real, that
it's not just a boom boom boom boom. You know,
it's uh that that guns kill and punch is hurt.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I remember seeing that when I was a kid in
the Rockford Files the first time, when Jim Gardner would
punch somebody, they go ow ow.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
His hand was sort of everything and it was kind
of cartoony.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
But I remember thinking, because I was, you know, I
get into some scrapes and I was a kid, and
I remember.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Really really hard.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah, you don't just get up and do it again
and then run after the guy after you've had that. No,
I still see these things. Occasionally I'll catch something and
it'll be a guy getting the shit beat out of
them and he gets up and runs after the one
who did it.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Well, you know what, that's also true when people get
drunk in movies. They don't feel that well, they get
I'm really drunk, and then then they say, but we
have to go and do this and go okay, and
they kind of shake it off like that's the arena.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
Apparently that's the adrenaline.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
It's like two months in fucking rehab to stop being
drunk nasty.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
So listen as we get onto that, just very briefly.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
You never because we talked about you taking the bass
notes and the psychedelics.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
But it never drew you in. You never got into
a problem with any of it.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Oh no, no, I actually I think I'm blessed with
moderation and.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You are a very temperate person emotionally, I think. But
I've never been married to you, so I don't.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Well that's true. Yeah, no, I would say, I say,
that's that's kind of I think that's how I'm wired.
So I enjoyed it. But it never interfered with you know,
school or work or anything like that. Admirable, and I'd
like to drink, but you know, not long access. Do
you like to drink Scotch in the winter when it's
really cold, You would really enjoy Scotland. Apart from the
(52:07):
hag Gus, I'm more of a Martini person, but I.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Okay, all right, well also they drink Martini's.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
So you and your husband come to Scotland and we'll
feed you some salmon and whiskey, and you can go to.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
The re church and the Wee Church and you go
to the we church. Sounds like a plan.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
All right, Thanks for coming back.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
It's my joy to be here. See.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
I love that you're so professional.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
I'm just trying to help.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
No, it's all right.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
I like you.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
I think you two.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
That's why we did this.
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