November 14, 2024 • 38 mins
Celebrity hairstylist, entrepreneur, and distractingly handsome man Chris Appleton on living authentically, seeking MORE, and, of course, hair extensions.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
You know that scene. We're just going this is a
cold open, so we're on, but you could whatever. Wait
remember crazy stupid love. When she looks at him, she's like,
what the fuck are you like? You look photoshopped. This
is not a real person. I have to cancel. I
can't do this. This is not I don't I can't
do this. Okay, So, Chris Appleton, I want you to
know that I was a few minutes late because I
(00:33):
was having hair extensions taken out for the first time
of my life. I tried hair extensions a couple of
months ago and eyelash extensions. I guess I just needed
to be extended because I was going to do an
unprecedented social kind of couple of weeks. I'm not a
very social person, especially like in you know, public events,
(00:55):
and I had a bunch of shit. So I was like,
let me try it. And I would say that would
you not agree that it has to be damaging to
your hair? Right? By and large, it's not great for
your hair.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Which once did you have in.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Fancy fancy people's celebrity hair extension people? Yes, carrot in.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Being good, they're the most natural. It caused the most
tension on that hair.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So yeah, I mean unfortunately, you put it in and
you're like, oh, we're doing to have all this out,
and then you get used to it and you take
it out and you're like, I've got no hair.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So yeah, I mean, well, what's.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Funny is I have more than I thought in the
shower it felt small. But I've been also on a
hair journey, which I want to talk to you about,
Like I'm really I had a dermatologist tell me that
it's the exact same rate for women over fifty as
men losing their hair, but women will not talk about it.
So I think it's something that at some point we're
going to talk about you. But I think it's the
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shame of it should be reduced because oh yeah, women
don't talk about it. They really don't.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
No, I mean a lot of women have like find
it hair, And honestly, like that's why I started working
with conservations. It was so interesting would work with these
really strong, confident women like.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
All breakers, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I was like a little nervous and stuff, and they
would come in and they had this cancer and the
hardest thing for them was losing their head. Because I
felt like I've lost my identity that I can't go
out so used to work. Wow, so powerful And that
was like such a moment for me where I was like, Wow,
like hair really is so valuable, Like it really is
part of the way people look on the way they
present themselves. And I think women say to me though
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the role WI who's the breast?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And wow?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, it was very proud. Wow two I am you know?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And wow is the name of your brand, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah? Color?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I've been working with Color and been a part of
that for the last six years, which has been really
fun because as an entrepreneur, it was really nice to
be able to build with a brand because no one
ready knew who they were before and it's just starting out.
Everyone knew they had a powder, but to be able
to build it to what it is now and see
everyone use it, it's been a great process.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Oh what happened in the beginning? They you were just
kind of working together in a promotional aspect, and then
you took equity or something or like they were an
existing brand that needed a little jolt and a little language,
a little communication.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Whose brand it is?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
She had John Frida, She sold it for a phenomenal
amount of money and you know, she's had a great success,
and then she loved sort of you know, haircuts and
wanting to do her own brand. So it just kind
of stopped it as I joined because I was actually
met with like a really equative deal for a bigger company,
which would have been the easier.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Route to go through. But I kind of just liked
the underdog.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I like, I like being building a brand, well being.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
A part of it, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And you know, like we made amazing products that have
changed the game in haircats.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So it's been really amazing to Bet. I'm very proud
of it.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
So she's the It was basically like when someone is
a skincare line but they want to have a dermatologist attached.
So it was the entrepreneur and the famous hairstyles. You
got together and you have equity and it's like your
brand also your partners.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I have all of that, But I think it's
the time. I don't think that once. The famous head
works very interesting. She's particular.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
She kind of reminds me of the double worst Prada,
like you know, kind of melch. She's very hardcore and
a lot of she said she had a lot of
books presented to her, but at the time, mine was
the first time that kind of made a stop and go, Okay,
this guy works outside of the box. And you know,
I think she liked that. So it just all kind
of we kind of work. We just thought. What's her name, Gail,
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Gail Veterci.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Gail Vetterci. So do you consider yourself a business person
and an entrepreneur in addition to creative or is the
business more her because often artists are not great business people.
Often chefs think they are, and then they get into
trouble with intellectual property and trademark and law. And not
to say that they're not intelligent, it's just left with brain,
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right brain, and not everyone's good at everything.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
No, I think I've always been very aware of what's
going on around me. I've been lucky enough to work
with some amazing people, the creative businesses.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I've seen these businesses be built from.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
The beginning, and I've always just been like a sponge
back when I was in Fashional week, I would watch
and I'd look at like, who is the main hair
startist here?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Why is he or she the main hair stylist? About them?
How do they handle themselves?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
How I just I've always been like the points and
absorbent information and obviously working with the people who got
to work with it's been phenomenal because I've watched that
to and No, I've always been very lucative about making
a business and being an entrepreneur in the space. And
the one thing I've noticed people just love to put
them in a box. And I think hopefully I've built
well broke down a few doors of trying to kind
of work outside of that and say, okay, it's okay
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to hair started, it's also okay to you know, work
with whoever jay Loo or Kim, but also be able
to help Miss Jones the those to the cell one
every week and make it relatable. So trying to break
it down and make it more relatable. But outside of that,
you know, there's been great things done in fashion and
I've been excited about that. But people always want to
put you back in a box and career people love
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just to put you.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
W the rints, the thing, No, that's funny for you
because of hair But yes, having been on Housewives, I
mean I created the fastest growing liquor brand in liquor
history at the time, and also invented the skinny margarita
as one of ten businesses and have made more money
on the other businesses than the margarita, and people still
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want to keep putting me in. First it was the
Housewives box forever, which I'm still in the corner of
that box. And then it's like, all I've ever done
is invent a cocktail, which I've done, you know, four
hundred million dollars in relief work around the world. So
you got to just keep pushing through and also make
sure you know, for you you are still doing hair.
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So that's even harder in the sense that for someone
who doesn't know who you are, they're going to think, oh,
just the hairstylist over there, as if I was still
on the Housewives, like I have left there, So there
is a separation. Not that there's anything wrong with being
on the Housewives or being a hairstylist, but people reduce
your entire life to one thing.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, and it being in a bigger business, which is,
you know, just overtied to the bubble.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But I mean, I'm proud of what I've come from.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And it's interesting how people go, oh, we were Slepty's
that's a successful now It's always amazes me how people
abuse success, because honestly, I wake up more days than
not feeling insecure about what I'm doing or at sure
or having doubts, and people all of a sudden things
you've got it all sorted and all figured out.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I see that too. And I will say this if
for someone who's an entrepreneur, even if they make a
lot of money, if they haven't had the one big
hit where you get the big pile, it's hard to
accumulate wealth. It's hard to be like at that point
where you're not worried about something, and people don't realize
that because it's staff, it's taxes, it's you know, there's
just a lot of stuff that goes into it. So
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people read numbers and they just think, oh, he makes
this much money. You know. Like I'm friends with Christopher Buckle.
I know he's like a normal person. He does Mariah's
makeup and he does everybody and he's still like a
normal guy, like living in a neighborhood and he's got
his thoughts about bills and what things cost, and like
I know, you know, Scott Barnes reaching out to me
to send me his makeup brushes. He's pimp and too.
(08:08):
I mean, he's j Lo's makeup guy. But to me,
he's a guy who's like just trying to make a
dollar and fifteen cents in his business. So I see
that from both sides, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, Yeah, And obviously like social media, love it or
hate it, that's a part of the world.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well, we're definitely going to get Yeah, we're going to
get into that for sure. So I didn't know you
have two children from a previous marriage and you're still
close with your ex and it's a woman.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, we were never married, but we were together for
nine years.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So how has sexuality played a role or in your
life or being put in a box? And could you
easily be with a woman as much as a man.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I think he's sort of interest in the sexuality was.
I didn't realize how much of the big deal it was.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It was funny.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I just saw some beyond about Seawn Menders like sort
of saying about sexuality and is still bigger in it
out I didn't coming out old later on in life.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I was twenty six.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It was incredibly difficult because her two kids by the
partner I've been with for like nine years I thought
I had it all figured out. Everyone else also thought
I had it figured out. So when you were all
of a sudden then changing the record, you know, people
are like, well, you must have always known, and I
didn't realize I did. But at school, you know, you
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trace it back, and I like to be very aware,
and I started to not make the same mistake.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Twice.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I was bullied quite a bit of school and be
abused to sales gay because I did hair. Hair was
the first sort of time I felt good at something.
I was dyslexic, so I was always told I didn't
fit into the group. You know, I was always kind
of not quite understanding what they're wrong about because I
was here as a dyslexic. You just absorbing information in
a different way. So when I got my hands on now,
I did my mom's hair when when I was like
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nine years old, it was the first time I remember
should have booked in the mirror, and I was like,
oh wow, you get to meet people feel something, and
I fucking love that. I love that you get to
make people feel and react. And I remember the first
day and someone I was like, I want to do this.
People walked in one way with a hair tied backs
all this down, but they walked out. It only made
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me start a blowout. But they felt like every fucker
was even if they weren't. And I was like, wow,
this is what I want to do. This is like
a superpower.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But there were so many straight hairstylists.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, exactly, And I never was sort of too focused
on sexuality. But people of school was like eighting was
always mentioned and as a kid, you just don't want
to be different. I already felt different because I was
I did hair, so no one else was. I had
a job when I was like you, no one else
had a job. You know, I was pretty photos on
my craft and so I was, I guess, just determined
to prove everyone wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But so much that I did myself just just this,
and you know, I buried it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And it wasn't until I kind of experienced it at
twenty six that I was like, also just down through
it as long as as well as everyone else. The
difficult thing is then your heart and people around you
that you know you've committed to, and you feel that
you people feel like they know you, and you feel
like you know them, and all of a sudden you're
telling the story, which you're also trying to figure out.
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So it was really hard for a few years, it
was really difficult to you know.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's interesting because I was recently thinking about something and
I was recently I'm happier than I have than I
can ever remember. A lot of things happened. I went
through a breakup and my mother passed away, and like
I emerged victorious in my life in a way that
everyone notices, Like people see me and it's recognizable. It's wild,
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And I will say that I will I have said recently,
like I'm really proud of myself for some of the
changes that I've made, and because they were hard to make,
because it takes courage to leave something that isn't that
is good, but that might just not be great, and
you feel sort of like, what's wrong with me? Like
something must be wrong with me? What am I pushing
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the novelo? But I think I'm supposed to have perfection?
But I've said on my dating podcast, if you don't know, yes,
it's no. So I'm relating that to what you're saying
at a much more massive scale. But like you didn't
have a shitty life, you weren't tortured. You just were
probably feeling like something massive was missing and not complete
and like you had to like make that courageous jump
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and choice.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, totally, And it sounds cheesy, but honestly, there's there's
so much power in like living authentically and being authentically yourself.
And I think once I let dog the deal and
the shame of it or my whole life changed, you know,
everything changed. It was amazing how much grew and changed
when I was things that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It weren't even related to your relationship or sexuality, just
because the energy. Because when you jump, you fly, like
if you have the if you have the inclination to
jump in your body. It's not something you can be
logical about itself, something you can discuss with some It's
not on a piece of paper. You have to just
jump by yourself. It's like anything else, like being an entrepreneur.
You're alone in that. Like that's one of the things
I do believe. So I could have easily stayed in
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a situation where which was really good, but like I
jumped and I flew, So you certainly jumped and you swored,
so okay, So I read that you your big, your big,
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big break was the Christina Aguilera and the Voice. You
had been working with Rita Aura and you had done
X Factor that was in the UK. I guess, yeah, yeah,
and then Christina Aguilera was was a critical moment.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
The first time I was in the UK, I'd kind
of done the Star wom thing. I started the Star
Warm and I said what else does that? Started to
do fashion Week, which led me to the editorial magazines,
and then that kind of led into celebrity. Just always
wanting to learn more. I was working with Rita Aura
and I was just social media.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It started. I was just posting my work, just stuff
I was proud of.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And I actually got a call from j Loo's team
and they were like it was an email actually, and
they said Jennifer Oo Buzzy is doing a Vegas tour
and she looked beauty and I was like.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Wow, I just ignored it, ignored the email. I thought
it was like yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I just thought it was like a jong, you know
whatever emails. And then a few weeks later I've got
another email and I was like, oh cool, I have
a chee. I'm just Chris from Western you know, you know,
Hollywood and Leicester and northern England.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It was a big gap in between it all. Yeah,
and it kind of just got me thinking to like, well,
maybe there's more.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
So I actually left London a week later. I packed
two suitcases out and fully furnished apartment. I gave up
with everything, actually, but I moved just on the off
chance that it was going to work. And I moved
to America and I didn't do anything for the first
three months to start all the money, and then eventually
I got a call from Christina Gallera team, which was great,
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but then I kind of had this daunting realization that
she's Christine agurol Arap.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
She's like a huge, fucking popped.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Up and the I think the small man syndrome where
you're just like, I'm just Chris that loves doing there
and makes people feel good kicked in. Anyway, I turned
to the boys. Three hours a glam, the make up,
all this went in and I was sitting outside, you know,
ready to do my thing. I had a few looks
in my.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Head and I went by and I was like, all right,
we go. We said up. Two hours. Another hour went
by and I was like, well, maybe, you know, maybe
she's got someone in there.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Already and I'm going to touches or I wasn't quite
sure what don but you have to sit there for
two hours, Thanks Diety. It was really yes, And twenty
minutes before the live so shows, she called me into
a trader.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Oh shit.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
In my head, I'm like, you know, have great hair,
it will be beautiful, and I'm probably just going to
touch it up because what else is that it's having
twenty minutes? Right, If anyone's ever had bleached out, then
they know that it's not done and it's not beautiful.
And it was, you know, ready to be done. And
so I was like, okay, you know, I thought we
should look great with this wing. I was like, if
you've tried a wig and she's like, yeah, I tried
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breaks out I like them, And I'm like, okay, cool,
I should have liked why would you? So I did
that thing that had Vessus do where they start like
they just kind of moved the hair around, just pulling
it around in different positions, and I remember thinking to myself, fuck.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Like what am I doing? Like I can't come on
this far? What am I going to do? Just like
hip hop now?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And it was this wonderfuling moment where it was like
time to stop. It was it was the weirdest things
that have happened to me. It's the only times have
happened to me.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
But it was like Kate, who is actually the mother
of my kids and we're still best friends.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
She spoke to me on the way and I was
very nervous and she said, Chris, if you don't make
this work, you're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
To come home. That's it, you know, And it was
like her voice, you know. I was like, if I
don't make this work on that.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
By that point, it was probably fifteen minutes left, and
I was like, you know what, even try to go
on my week? So grapp them out the bag and
put one on and she was like, oh, oh well
and the style of stops over and she was like,
well I like it, and she's like, okay, do it.
So I put this, went on ahead, left the hairline out.
It was like a Hollywood way off. She went on
a linstock and I remember sitting there taking looking screen
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hope I seem I it stood and then she came
off and she stood there and she just looked over
at me and she went, everyone likes you. We and
it was in that moment I knew like I'd done it,
and it was the one defining moment in my whole
career where I realized, like, if I do me, Because
I have spent my whole life since the age thirteen,
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I was thirty at that point, learning my craft, I
knew what would look good.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I felt really compliment about it, and.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I was like, well if I don't at least try,
if I walk away not trying to be me and
do me, then I'll kick myself forever.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
So I think we all have those moments where we
doubt ourselves. It doesn't matter how much success or money
or whatever it is in life you experience. We're all
human beings and we all feel the fear sometimes and
sometimes it just takes over and it can be paralyzing.
And in that moment, it.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Really wasn't just fucked around with her hair, and she
would have gone out looking like shit or I do now.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I mean, that's the pros play hurt. Pros play hurt,
Like that's when when the shit hits the fan. For me,
I don't hold the steering wheel too tight, but I
don't let go. You have to just be like move
right through it. You know. But by the way I've
been it's weird. I've been thinking about wigs lately. I
can I do you have wigs? Can I buy a wig?
Can you suggest a wig that would be good for me,
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like to have fun with, like a Bang's or something
like a look I would like to have. I would
like to try a wig. I'm wearing one for Halloween.
I'll show you that, but like, I would like to
try when that doesn't have to be like glued on
and all that crazy stuff, like I hate that anyway.
That's just a side note. So I love that you're
still friends with your ex. What was her feeling? Did
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she feel like less than when you were, like, oh,
by the way, we've been together nine years and I'm gay,
or was just it moved through something positive?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I think, you know, it's an interesting I saw this
video and I posted it a couple of weeks that
where I'm on a photo. It's the first fight tissue
I did, and she was there at the time, and
I remember I actually made me tearful because I just
looked so live and free and so happy to be there,
and it made me really emotional that I ran her
and I was like she was there and she's something
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about I remember that fact. She remember through like ten
thousand witches, and it was just incredibly stressful, where I
was like, you know, she's liked, well, are you emotional?
I was like, I don't know. I just I remember him.
I remember that, like I was straight, I had two kids.
I thought I had it all figured out. And she's like,
you know, it was really hard because I think you
had to mourn a part of someone that you had
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to let go. That's interesting, honest, it was incredibly support him.
But at the why I find it and why I
was told as a kid that gay was wrong and
like gay man, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's not a good thing. It doesn't fit into the box.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
But neither the relationships, which I like even as much
like that, a relationship doesn't have to be defined in
only one way, Like you have this like marriage with
this woman now like your life partners, you have kids together,
So you have you have two kids in her twenties.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Right, Yeah, kids is nineteen, but he's twenty one. And yeah,
I mean they're amazing, and my one goal in life
was always bring them. I think it basically you can
do as a parent is to give them an experience
outside of their hometown, like unless the way I grew up.
You know, people kind of grow up, they get married,
they have kids, and it's kind of like the formula,
you know, put them to see the world and see
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what's out there. And they moved to LA two years ago,
and then I've been having a great time because he's
doing social media. So now Bill is at college and
their liveing their best lives. As a dad, I'm so
proud that I could just give them opportunities and give
them an overview in life.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And if they want to go in there.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
And make the most of it, great, and if they
want to go home, that's also fine too. But I
just want to give them the opportunity to see the world.
I mean, I remember as a kid, I was like
six years old. I remember looking outside the window. It
was northern England, gray, rainy, cold, and I remember just thinking, like,
there's God be more to life than this. I was
one of five kids who as the middle kid. My
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brother's like boy things, my sisters like go so I
was kind of in the middle. To me hair, even
being interested in creative stuff, I didn't fit in academically,
and I always just remember this to finding moment where
I was like this gotn't be more than this. God
be like like color, you know. So I think I
just try and bring that to every more Funny.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Because my daughter came into my class my room last night,
and we had this conversation about school and like this
class that is very challenging and should she take the
less challenging one, and the school says, but then that
might mean she wouldn't get into an Ivy League school.
And we're now thinking about years. She's fourteen years to come.
And my philosophy is it should you should be experiencing
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some discomfort but not pain like That's what I said
to her. I said, you have to decide you should
be experiencing discomfort and not pain. But if you're going
to be like getting a D in this advanced over
your SKIS class versus an A and the other one,
I also want like my thing with her, I said,
I said to her last night, I said, I'm not
telling you not to go to college. I would like
you to go because there are a number of reasons
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and I would like to see what you want to
do eventually. But I said I didn't need to go
to college, Like I for what I am doing and
the amount I went into the classes, it was a
waste of money and I would try to jam all
my classes into one day. And the reason I'm telling
you this is just that, like it's not a one
size fits all, and I think it's important to like
speak to them in that way versus just like at
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them about what you think they're supposed to be doing.
And like you're saying, you're teeing up a menu. Here's
an ALI card, men, you'd pick what you want. We'll
see you know. I mean, I'm gonna I snap the
leash if she's getting off course and is disrespectful in
any way. I'm very strict. She has a very experiential life,
like I imagine your kids do too. They've seen things
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that other kids haven't. But I'm not like super into spoiling,
but I agree with that, like it's such a great
canvas to watch your kids and just give them exposure
and ultimately let them decide. So I basically told Teeter
up to decide herself. I was like, here's the menu,
you can decide if you want to switch those classes.
I'm just telling you, yeah, maybe because of this one class,
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you won't be able to go to a school that
you dream of going to if you care. But also
she's like, but I do charity. I volunteer on the weekends.
I'm like, yeah, that's all gonna matter too. It's just
like try to explain versus talk at totally.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And I would say like, unfortunately, like the hardest times
of my life have been the most defining, and I
think you just have to experience that. I think hard
times are good, try things of life, and like a
lot of people try to avoid them, and I think
they just avoid it and it will always touch a
leverly different ways. I generally believe that the best thing
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you can do is just to go right through it
and come out all the same.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And that can be painful, but.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That's how you learn to go through it later. Like
I thrive a little. That's why I thrive on haters.
It doesn't it's not that I like haters. I'm not
a sicko. But like someone comes in with nasty like
I know either, I'm like, hi, I go, thank you
for being here and engaging and putting money into my
bank account by being here, like I could be the
big It's cunt. That ever walked the earth because I
I'm like great, like you can't. I'm uninsultable, I'm unembarrassable.
(24:06):
I don't care. But I think it's because of that essence,
like I've come from such an abuse life. Oh my god,
my childhood was psychotic. So it's like, what are you
gonna do? You're gonna throw something at me, Like it's okay,
whatever it is, you know. So I it's almost like
a challenge to get something hard, like what do you
(24:26):
Let's go throw it at me, you know, throw it
at me. Even I remember going on Shark Tank and
it was like, well, this is gonna be really challenging
the producers that these are like real entrepreneurs. I'm like, okay,
I think I am too, Like let's go Mark Cuban,
let's go Kevin o'larry hit me, let's see, you know.
And they're all people, and I'm as smart as they
are in certain ways and not in others. Like so
(24:48):
I'm a very push through and I'm also as a
parent the Tough Shit program like my I'm like, Brin,
you're not with that. Life is not being wrapped in
bubble wrap. Everything's not supposed to work.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Oh you know, so those hard times make you make
you who you are, and it makes you it's a
better person. I won't change any of the hard time
and I'm actually I'm putting something together now that will
help people for the future, like you know, be able
to relate to some of them and cook through the
other side. Just life's challenging and it's always branch you
(25:18):
and you know it's it's I just think it's interesting
for people to share their stories, and it's interesting when
people think people are successful. How I think it's great
to be able to use your voice, to be able
to help other people to like, yeah, that's all finances,
it's just about we're all fucking surviving it.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
But these are the options.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
These are the these are the challenges I was faced with,
and these that the you know, these are the choices
I made, which you know, so.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You've become a you know, a name on your own,
not unlike the stars on Dancing with the Stars are
sometimes more famous than the people that are actually the
celebrities on there, So you've worked with so many different people.
Do celebrities sometimes get a little itchy or you know,
cagey when the hairstyles is becoming as, if not more
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recognizable than them, Like is there an energy I've seen it?
I just want to know what your opinion is of it.
In general, I will stay.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I think like the people I've worked with have been
incredibly supported, like Kim for example, is you know, incredibly
supportive me and my career and has been fundamentally part
of it. And I don't think there's I've never experienced that,
and I don't I don't think that people that I've
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worked with have been in that way.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Like all boats rise with the tide, we still work together.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I mean, you know, I'm maybe not available for every
single thing. When I'm available for the big stuff and
we make it up. It's it's just a creation, you know.
It's just I think I'm a great relationship with my clients.
I friendship.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
By the way, it's so critical, like I see that
by getting you know, I don't get glam nearly as
much as many of your clients. But like you know,
you're sitting there, you're tired, you're in a mood. You
you know, you're stressed out, there's a lot, you're talking
to your kids, you're on the business calls. You cannot
be in glam and not be operating your life and
your business. It's too much time to not be multitasking.
(27:26):
So it's such an intimate relationship. But I mean Roblow
is married to his makeup artist. A many I think
Patrick Dempsey is too. Like it's very intimate, you know,
and it's uh and it requires being loyal, and it
requires being honest, and it's hard to tell an artist
sometimes when you didn't love something. And for me, like
after when I go to the event, after I'll text
(27:46):
and be like, I think that concealer was a little this,
or I looked at that, and I would because it
informs the next time, and everybody wants to know, you know,
and it's you're in a very competitive space because someone
could have their hair done by someone in a different
climate at a different time, and like you think it's
good on that day. Your hair is just good on
that day, and then you know the other person feels
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bad it didn't looks. I mean, it's a very hard business.
It's extremely competitive and very personal.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
But I think you have to let go of like
I think there's an up room for everyone, and I
generally believe that like your talent or your dedication, whatever
it is you do can I always tried to think
about I remember when I was in the sell on,
if I was charging like one hundred dollars for a
haircut and the past next to me was I'll be like, well,
why would that come to me and not the past
and next to me we both charge the same critch
(28:37):
going from an appointment free, And I always tried to
focus on what it is I was offering, like I've
never been that kind of guy that will sit down
and be what we're doing today, same as usual, because
I instantly cut step off like I would always be.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Like who do you want to be? Like what's your
ultimate like goal? Like who do you? Who do you admire?
What hells do you aspire to have?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And people It's really interesting how people really can form
to being told what they should do, and that they
would tell me like, oh, I love this star, but
I know I can't have that, and I'd be like,
why who told you?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And because my hair doesn't do that? If we could
make it do it.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
You know, we were just talk about opening up the options,
and you know, I had a really great client base
in the salon that was really loyal and they spent
way more money than they had, but they just love
the experience that people fucking saw them, that someone looked
at them and could see them and they weren't just
another person in Yeah, people, that's the key.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Like when I my clients, like I still do the
same as what I.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Did when I did it to my moment nine years old,
I generally want them to look like that's great. I
love making people look good, but when you feel good
is when the whole magic happens. I can make you
look great and everyone in the room would say, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I love your hair.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
You are just not on a red cope and you
just aren't feeling it like it didn't feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I know it's nice. You's just totally we agree to
agree totally. It's so wait, that's something I just was
gonna say. Oh. Fun fact, the first time I ever
had my makeup professionally done like for a photoshoot was
Mario for the cover of Social Life magazine. And I
cannot find this image online. I doubt he has it,
but maybe he does because it was very early in
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his career too. This is pre Kardashian's and it was spectacular,
like it was unbelievable. But there was something I was
just gonna tell you that I forgot what the hell
it was. We were just talking about that, we're talking
about Yeah, So he was the first person to ever Oh,
I know what it is. Social media. That's what I
really wanted to get into because for some reason, this
era of mine, in this recent accidental influencer era that
(30:40):
literally came out of nowhere. And the more I admit
how little I know about any of the shit because
I don't know anything, the more it is it is awakened.
But such a responsibility to talk about who did the hair,
who did the makeup, who designed the costume for Halloween?
Because I've literally changed people's lives. I've changed businesses like
(31:01):
small cake makers, little like like biscotee, people in queens
like I had no idea. I mean, I've sold millions
of dollars of shit. I've sold hundreds of thousands dollars
a chicken salad. I mean, it's insane. So the responsibility
to like really want to help each other and the
community of social media has been unbelievable. Look, you noticed,
(31:24):
I would never think that you would have seen or
noticed some anecdotal thing that I mentioned your name in
you did said somebody you mentioned you you jumped on
the demure trend, And I was really referring to that
influencer who was freaking out that someone had trademarked it.
And I was giving it like a business twist to
crystallize it because I have a lot of experience there
(31:45):
and I mentioned you. I literally today they were like, wait,
he liked whatever, and I go, I don't see it
on this page, and they sent me the video. He
fucking saw that. It's crazy that you saw that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
And the thing is that's what's so interesting people like,
you know, maybe stopping in the street and they'll be like, oh,
yes that I always it makes me stop when I
have to kind of click into it and oh if
you can't buy on social media, because you forget these
real people that are invested in you and in your
life and they feel like they know you. You know,
because when you do these videos or when you're putting
(32:15):
out this content, I don't really think too much about
it or they just just being me, but you forget
that people really get invested in that.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
People react to it, and you know.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I've had a list celebrities teams tell me that their
person saw this video like and they either loved it
or hurt their film, Like what like you just yeah,
it's a massive megaphone. It's much bigger than traditional tepession.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I was in like just a kid with a dream
and I lived in less than Northern England and j
Lo's sent me an email. I mean, that shows you
the power of social media. Like she was in Hollywood,
I was in less than Northern England. That doesn't show
you the power of social media and how it can
change your whole world. And all I was doing was
portraying my story, putting my story out there and be
(32:59):
more related to it, you know. And I've just tried
to continue that to the point I'm at now. But
now I'm in a place where I want to help
more people and made more people feel a part of it.
And like I said, that's what I'm working on now,
so people can feel like they can part it and
you don't have to be, you know, a a less
celebrity to love them your best, you know everyone well respectfully.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Celebrity has I mean, Hollywood has transformed into a shell
of its former self. Celebrity has transformed into a shell
of its former self. Television, traditional television network television is
a dinosaur and streamers are on the I mean a
cable is like just an older person's dinosaur. So people
will say, like when you come back on TV. I'm like,
(33:41):
I'm on TV right now. Just put on your social media.
This is the fucking show. This is the fucking show.
I've been offered every single TV show you could imagine
for all kinds of money. I'm like, i gotta get
stuck for four months, like glued to what you guys
want me to do. I'm in my pajamas this morning
getting a million views on a coffee maker. When the
lord's work, Chris, You're not the only one who does
(34:02):
the lord's work. I do the lord's work every day,
you know, with chicken, salad of coffee and chanel.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Nobody. It's like it's powerful and people relate to that.
I think what people love about it is the relatability.
People love that it's real. People love you know, you're funny.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I mean, you're entertaining, You're like dancing, you're doing sounds,
You're you're in the game, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
But like people used to see celebrity, that's like over
here and you know, real people over here. But I
think now there's been a transition where people go all right, well,
I know that's not how real hair, so tell me.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Before it was like we don't.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I know, It's what I've been talking and I will.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Say that's what Kim was amazing at or she crazy
through skims.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
She was the first lesson that was like in the
mirror and everyone got what really bits like me stell
you like like I have, this is what I did,
And I think people related to that, and that's why
it's so successful. Like you can't just pump your face
against a picture of a product and go by this.
You know, people want to know why how they betweens,
And that's what I've talked to fit in between of
Sarah or you don't look like Jay Love, but you
don't look like the delieper or Kim or whoever is
(35:10):
that this is how you can break it down to everyone.
And also the audience now wants that. They're like, tell
me what's to buy? Tell me how to get this law?
What do I need? You know?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah? Yeah, no no matter what. Like her work ethic
is a rage. She's in that closet with all those laws.
I mean, that's exhausting alone, just every day, and then
all the other ten thousand things. Yeah, no, one hundred percent.
Pimping ain't easy. And there's an authenticity that traditional celebrity
is struggling with having in the modern day. So it's
(35:40):
a very interesting time for places like California and the
entertainment industry and your business. Wow, what's your birthday? That's
the last thing I wanted. I'm just curious when.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
You're a everyone if I tell you what if, it
matters to me. But because everyone's always like, well.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Let me get well, well, I'm going to get yes
that it's well, no, I don't know. I mean, you're
not a Scorpio, are you?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
No Gemini?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I would never have guessed it, So then there is
no beating to anything. Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed it.
I wouldn't guessed it. But I'm not great at that.
I just I don't know. I got some scorpio energy
from you, but maybe oh really, yeah, just some of
the things you've said very much aligned with how I feel.
I could talk you. It's weird. I could talk to
you for I'm a Scorpio. My birthday is Monday coming
(36:27):
up Monday, So I want to meet you sometime. I
think you're so amazing and so interesting and like, what
a great story.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I would love to Yeah, I'd love to do that.
I mean, I think it's just it's it's a small world.
I'm sure perhaps across, but I think, what's so interested
in anything whatever?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
With these people?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
You know, get obsessed with, you know, people being known
or fameless or whatever it is. But I feel like
there's such a disconnect from like the relatability of what
it feels like for the real person to just look
and feel the best. So like you can in a
piece of that, but you can make them laugh, or
you can tell them a story they can relate to,
or you know. I just think it's it's powerful to
(37:06):
be able to make everyone and then looking filled up
there you like, it's.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
A connection you want to connect.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's universal, it has no boundaries like what I do.
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It doesn't looking and feeling good. Everyone can relate to
thatself now and it's very powerful, and a lot of
people are not seeing a lot of people are not
seeing it every day, Like they go to work and
they're not recognized. They're just another person, and I think
someone when they're actually like seeing like the really blossom.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
It's so true, and it's myself twenty six, cleaning my life.
I didn't see myself. I didn't let myself see myself,
and it wasn't someone said to me, you're allowed to
see yourself, You're allowed to be that past it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
And you don't have to feel guilty. My whole fucking life.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
My whole life literally changed, you know, three sixty and
I never want to be back in those changes.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Why oh you an apology for like leading with your appearance.
I just was shocked. I was like, oh wow, I
know I decided so sorry. It's the least interesting thing
about you is what you look like, but to start
it was a little jarring. So it's so great to
meet you. And if I can ever help you in
any way whatsoever with your business or whatever you've got
going on. It sounds like you're doing an amazing job.
But I'm here and it's I'm so grateful for this conversation.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Thanks Mader, I appreciate it. Let's get a luxious as
bad
You know that scene. We're just going this is a
cold open, so we're on, but you could whatever. Wait
remember crazy stupid love. When she looks at him, she's like,
what the fuck are you like? You look photoshopped. This
is not a real person. I have to cancel. I
can't do this. This is not I don't I can't
do this. Okay, So, Chris Appleton, I want you to
know that I was a few minutes late because I
(00:33):
was having hair extensions taken out for the first time
of my life. I tried hair extensions a couple of
months ago and eyelash extensions. I guess I just needed
to be extended because I was going to do an
unprecedented social kind of couple of weeks. I'm not a
very social person, especially like in you know, public events,
(00:55):
and I had a bunch of shit. So I was like,
let me try it. And I would say that would
you not agree that it has to be damaging to
your hair? Right? By and large, it's not great for
your hair.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Which once did you have in.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Fancy fancy people's celebrity hair extension people? Yes, carrot in.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Being good, they're the most natural. It caused the most
tension on that hair.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So yeah, I mean unfortunately, you put it in and
you're like, oh, we're doing to have all this out,
and then you get used to it and you take
it out and you're like, I've got no hair.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So yeah, I mean, well, what's.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Funny is I have more than I thought in the
shower it felt small. But I've been also on a
hair journey, which I want to talk to you about,
Like I'm really I had a dermatologist tell me that
it's the exact same rate for women over fifty as
men losing their hair, but women will not talk about it.
So I think it's something that at some point we're
going to talk about you. But I think it's the
(01:47):
shame of it should be reduced because oh yeah, women
don't talk about it. They really don't.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
No, I mean a lot of women have like find
it hair, And honestly, like that's why I started working
with conservations. It was so interesting would work with these
really strong, confident women like.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
All breakers, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I was like a little nervous and stuff, and they
would come in and they had this cancer and the
hardest thing for them was losing their head. Because I
felt like I've lost my identity that I can't go
out so used to work. Wow, so powerful And that
was like such a moment for me where I was like, Wow,
like hair really is so valuable, Like it really is
part of the way people look on the way they
present themselves. And I think women say to me though
(02:25):
the role WI who's the breast?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And wow?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, it was very proud. Wow two I am you know?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And wow is the name of your brand, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah? Color?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I've been working with Color and been a part of
that for the last six years, which has been really
fun because as an entrepreneur, it was really nice to
be able to build with a brand because no one
ready knew who they were before and it's just starting out.
Everyone knew they had a powder, but to be able
to build it to what it is now and see
everyone use it, it's been a great process.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Oh what happened in the beginning? They you were just
kind of working together in a promotional aspect, and then
you took equity or something or like they were an
existing brand that needed a little jolt and a little language,
a little communication.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Whose brand it is?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
She had John Frida, She sold it for a phenomenal
amount of money and you know, she's had a great success,
and then she loved sort of you know, haircuts and
wanting to do her own brand. So it just kind
of stopped it as I joined because I was actually
met with like a really equative deal for a bigger company,
which would have been the easier.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Route to go through. But I kind of just liked
the underdog.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I like, I like being building a brand, well being.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
A part of it, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And you know, like we made amazing products that have
changed the game in haircats.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So it's been really amazing to Bet. I'm very proud
of it.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
So she's the It was basically like when someone is
a skincare line but they want to have a dermatologist attached.
So it was the entrepreneur and the famous hairstyles. You
got together and you have equity and it's like your
brand also your partners.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I have all of that, But I think it's
the time. I don't think that once. The famous head
works very interesting. She's particular.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
She kind of reminds me of the double worst Prada,
like you know, kind of melch. She's very hardcore and
a lot of she said she had a lot of
books presented to her, but at the time, mine was
the first time that kind of made a stop and go, Okay,
this guy works outside of the box. And you know,
I think she liked that. So it just all kind
of we kind of work. We just thought. What's her name, Gail,
(04:25):
Gail Veterci.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Gail Vetterci. So do you consider yourself a business person
and an entrepreneur in addition to creative or is the
business more her because often artists are not great business people.
Often chefs think they are, and then they get into
trouble with intellectual property and trademark and law. And not
to say that they're not intelligent, it's just left with brain,
(04:49):
right brain, and not everyone's good at everything.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
No, I think I've always been very aware of what's
going on around me. I've been lucky enough to work
with some amazing people, the creative businesses.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I've seen these businesses be built from.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
The beginning, and I've always just been like a sponge
back when I was in Fashional week, I would watch
and I'd look at like, who is the main hair
startist here?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Why is he or she the main hair stylist? About them?
How do they handle themselves?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
How I just I've always been like the points and
absorbent information and obviously working with the people who got
to work with it's been phenomenal because I've watched that
to and No, I've always been very lucative about making
a business and being an entrepreneur in the space. And
the one thing I've noticed people just love to put
them in a box. And I think hopefully I've built
well broke down a few doors of trying to kind
of work outside of that and say, okay, it's okay
(05:35):
to hair started, it's also okay to you know, work
with whoever jay Loo or Kim, but also be able
to help Miss Jones the those to the cell one
every week and make it relatable. So trying to break
it down and make it more relatable. But outside of that,
you know, there's been great things done in fashion and
I've been excited about that. But people always want to
put you back in a box and career people love
(05:58):
just to put you.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
W the rints, the thing, No, that's funny for you
because of hair But yes, having been on Housewives, I
mean I created the fastest growing liquor brand in liquor
history at the time, and also invented the skinny margarita
as one of ten businesses and have made more money
on the other businesses than the margarita, and people still
(06:19):
want to keep putting me in. First it was the
Housewives box forever, which I'm still in the corner of
that box. And then it's like, all I've ever done
is invent a cocktail, which I've done, you know, four
hundred million dollars in relief work around the world. So
you got to just keep pushing through and also make
sure you know, for you you are still doing hair.
(06:40):
So that's even harder in the sense that for someone
who doesn't know who you are, they're going to think, oh,
just the hairstylist over there, as if I was still
on the Housewives, like I have left there, So there
is a separation. Not that there's anything wrong with being
on the Housewives or being a hairstylist, but people reduce
your entire life to one thing.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, and it being in a bigger business, which is,
you know, just overtied to the bubble.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But I mean, I'm proud of what I've come from.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And it's interesting how people go, oh, we were Slepty's
that's a successful now It's always amazes me how people
abuse success, because honestly, I wake up more days than
not feeling insecure about what I'm doing or at sure
or having doubts, and people all of a sudden things
you've got it all sorted and all figured out.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I see that too. And I will say this if
for someone who's an entrepreneur, even if they make a
lot of money, if they haven't had the one big
hit where you get the big pile, it's hard to
accumulate wealth. It's hard to be like at that point
where you're not worried about something, and people don't realize
that because it's staff, it's taxes, it's you know, there's
just a lot of stuff that goes into it. So
(07:48):
people read numbers and they just think, oh, he makes
this much money. You know. Like I'm friends with Christopher Buckle.
I know he's like a normal person. He does Mariah's
makeup and he does everybody and he's still like a
normal guy, like living in a neighborhood and he's got
his thoughts about bills and what things cost, and like
I know, you know, Scott Barnes reaching out to me
to send me his makeup brushes. He's pimp and too.
(08:08):
I mean, he's j Lo's makeup guy. But to me,
he's a guy who's like just trying to make a
dollar and fifteen cents in his business. So I see
that from both sides, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, Yeah, And obviously like social media, love it or
hate it, that's a part of the world.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well, we're definitely going to get Yeah, we're going to
get into that for sure. So I didn't know you
have two children from a previous marriage and you're still
close with your ex and it's a woman.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, we were never married, but we were together for
nine years.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So how has sexuality played a role or in your
life or being put in a box? And could you
easily be with a woman as much as a man.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I think he's sort of interest in the sexuality was.
I didn't realize how much of the big deal it was.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It was funny.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I just saw some beyond about Seawn Menders like sort
of saying about sexuality and is still bigger in it
out I didn't coming out old later on in life.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I was twenty six.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It was incredibly difficult because her two kids by the
partner I've been with for like nine years I thought
I had it all figured out. Everyone else also thought
I had it figured out. So when you were all
of a sudden then changing the record, you know, people
are like, well, you must have always known, and I
didn't realize I did. But at school, you know, you
(09:26):
trace it back, and I like to be very aware,
and I started to not make the same mistake.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Twice.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I was bullied quite a bit of school and be
abused to sales gay because I did hair. Hair was
the first sort of time I felt good at something.
I was dyslexic, so I was always told I didn't
fit into the group. You know, I was always kind
of not quite understanding what they're wrong about because I
was here as a dyslexic. You just absorbing information in
a different way. So when I got my hands on now,
I did my mom's hair when when I was like
(09:52):
nine years old, it was the first time I remember
should have booked in the mirror, and I was like,
oh wow, you get to meet people feel something, and
I fucking love that. I love that you get to
make people feel and react. And I remember the first
day and someone I was like, I want to do this.
People walked in one way with a hair tied backs
all this down, but they walked out. It only made
(10:13):
me start a blowout. But they felt like every fucker
was even if they weren't. And I was like, wow,
this is what I want to do. This is like
a superpower.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But there were so many straight hairstylists.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, exactly, And I never was sort of too focused
on sexuality. But people of school was like eighting was
always mentioned and as a kid, you just don't want
to be different. I already felt different because I was
I did hair, so no one else was. I had
a job when I was like you, no one else
had a job. You know, I was pretty photos on
my craft and so I was, I guess, just determined
to prove everyone wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But so much that I did myself just just this,
and you know, I buried it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And it wasn't until I kind of experienced it at
twenty six that I was like, also just down through
it as long as as well as everyone else. The
difficult thing is then your heart and people around you
that you know you've committed to, and you feel that
you people feel like they know you, and you feel
like you know them, and all of a sudden you're
telling the story, which you're also trying to figure out.
(11:10):
So it was really hard for a few years, it
was really difficult to you know.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's interesting because I was recently thinking about something and
I was recently I'm happier than I have than I
can ever remember. A lot of things happened. I went
through a breakup and my mother passed away, and like
I emerged victorious in my life in a way that
everyone notices, Like people see me and it's recognizable. It's wild,
(11:35):
And I will say that I will I have said recently,
like I'm really proud of myself for some of the
changes that I've made, and because they were hard to make,
because it takes courage to leave something that isn't that
is good, but that might just not be great, and
you feel sort of like, what's wrong with me? Like
something must be wrong with me? What am I pushing
(11:56):
the novelo? But I think I'm supposed to have perfection?
But I've said on my dating podcast, if you don't know, yes,
it's no. So I'm relating that to what you're saying
at a much more massive scale. But like you didn't
have a shitty life, you weren't tortured. You just were
probably feeling like something massive was missing and not complete
and like you had to like make that courageous jump
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and choice.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, totally, And it sounds cheesy, but honestly, there's there's
so much power in like living authentically and being authentically yourself.
And I think once I let dog the deal and
the shame of it or my whole life changed, you know,
everything changed. It was amazing how much grew and changed
when I was things that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It weren't even related to your relationship or sexuality, just
because the energy. Because when you jump, you fly, like
if you have the if you have the inclination to
jump in your body. It's not something you can be
logical about itself, something you can discuss with some It's
not on a piece of paper. You have to just
jump by yourself. It's like anything else, like being an entrepreneur.
You're alone in that. Like that's one of the things
I do believe. So I could have easily stayed in
(12:59):
a situation where which was really good, but like I
jumped and I flew, So you certainly jumped and you swored,
so okay, So I read that you your big, your big,
(13:20):
big break was the Christina Aguilera and the Voice. You
had been working with Rita Aura and you had done
X Factor that was in the UK. I guess, yeah, yeah,
and then Christina Aguilera was was a critical moment.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
The first time I was in the UK, I'd kind
of done the Star wom thing. I started the Star
Warm and I said what else does that? Started to
do fashion Week, which led me to the editorial magazines,
and then that kind of led into celebrity. Just always
wanting to learn more. I was working with Rita Aura
and I was just social media.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It started. I was just posting my work, just stuff
I was proud of.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And I actually got a call from j Loo's team
and they were like it was an email actually, and
they said Jennifer Oo Buzzy is doing a Vegas tour
and she looked beauty and I was like.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Wow, I just ignored it, ignored the email. I thought
it was like yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I just thought it was like a jong, you know
whatever emails. And then a few weeks later I've got
another email and I was like, oh cool, I have
a chee. I'm just Chris from Western you know, you know,
Hollywood and Leicester and northern England.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It was a big gap in between it all. Yeah,
and it kind of just got me thinking to like, well,
maybe there's more.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
So I actually left London a week later. I packed
two suitcases out and fully furnished apartment. I gave up
with everything, actually, but I moved just on the off
chance that it was going to work. And I moved
to America and I didn't do anything for the first
three months to start all the money, and then eventually
I got a call from Christina Gallera team, which was great,
(14:48):
but then I kind of had this daunting realization that
she's Christine agurol Arap.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
She's like a huge, fucking popped.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Up and the I think the small man syndrome where
you're just like, I'm just Chris that loves doing there
and makes people feel good kicked in. Anyway, I turned
to the boys. Three hours a glam, the make up,
all this went in and I was sitting outside, you know,
ready to do my thing. I had a few looks
in my.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Head and I went by and I was like, all right,
we go. We said up. Two hours. Another hour went
by and I was like, well, maybe, you know, maybe
she's got someone in there.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Already and I'm going to touches or I wasn't quite
sure what don but you have to sit there for
two hours, Thanks Diety. It was really yes, And twenty
minutes before the live so shows, she called me into
a trader.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Oh shit.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
In my head, I'm like, you know, have great hair,
it will be beautiful, and I'm probably just going to
touch it up because what else is that it's having
twenty minutes? Right, If anyone's ever had bleached out, then
they know that it's not done and it's not beautiful.
And it was, you know, ready to be done. And
so I was like, okay, you know, I thought we
should look great with this wing. I was like, if
you've tried a wig and she's like, yeah, I tried
(15:57):
breaks out I like them, And I'm like, okay, cool,
I should have liked why would you? So I did
that thing that had Vessus do where they start like
they just kind of moved the hair around, just pulling
it around in different positions, and I remember thinking to myself, fuck.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Like what am I doing? Like I can't come on
this far? What am I going to do? Just like
hip hop now?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And it was this wonderfuling moment where it was like
time to stop. It was it was the weirdest things
that have happened to me. It's the only times have
happened to me.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
But it was like Kate, who is actually the mother
of my kids and we're still best friends.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
She spoke to me on the way and I was
very nervous and she said, Chris, if you don't make
this work, you're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
To come home. That's it, you know, And it was
like her voice, you know. I was like, if I
don't make this work on that.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
By that point, it was probably fifteen minutes left, and
I was like, you know what, even try to go
on my week? So grapp them out the bag and
put one on and she was like, oh, oh well
and the style of stops over and she was like,
well I like it, and she's like, okay, do it.
So I put this, went on ahead, left the hairline out.
It was like a Hollywood way off. She went on
a linstock and I remember sitting there taking looking screen
(17:00):
hope I seem I it stood and then she came
off and she stood there and she just looked over
at me and she went, everyone likes you. We and
it was in that moment I knew like I'd done it,
and it was the one defining moment in my whole
career where I realized, like, if I do me, Because
I have spent my whole life since the age thirteen,
(17:20):
I was thirty at that point, learning my craft, I
knew what would look good.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I felt really compliment about it, and.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I was like, well if I don't at least try,
if I walk away not trying to be me and
do me, then I'll kick myself forever.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
So I think we all have those moments where we
doubt ourselves. It doesn't matter how much success or money
or whatever it is in life you experience. We're all
human beings and we all feel the fear sometimes and
sometimes it just takes over and it can be paralyzing.
And in that moment, it.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Really wasn't just fucked around with her hair, and she
would have gone out looking like shit or I do now.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I mean, that's the pros play hurt. Pros play hurt,
Like that's when when the shit hits the fan. For me,
I don't hold the steering wheel too tight, but I
don't let go. You have to just be like move
right through it. You know. But by the way I've
been it's weird. I've been thinking about wigs lately. I
can I do you have wigs? Can I buy a wig?
Can you suggest a wig that would be good for me,
(18:16):
like to have fun with, like a Bang's or something
like a look I would like to have. I would
like to try a wig. I'm wearing one for Halloween.
I'll show you that, but like, I would like to
try when that doesn't have to be like glued on
and all that crazy stuff, like I hate that anyway.
That's just a side note. So I love that you're
still friends with your ex. What was her feeling? Did
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she feel like less than when you were, like, oh,
by the way, we've been together nine years and I'm gay,
or was just it moved through something positive?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I think, you know, it's an interesting I saw this
video and I posted it a couple of weeks that
where I'm on a photo. It's the first fight tissue
I did, and she was there at the time, and
I remember I actually made me tearful because I just
looked so live and free and so happy to be there,
and it made me really emotional that I ran her
and I was like she was there and she's something
(19:08):
about I remember that fact. She remember through like ten
thousand witches, and it was just incredibly stressful, where I
was like, you know, she's liked, well, are you emotional?
I was like, I don't know. I just I remember him.
I remember that, like I was straight, I had two kids.
I thought I had it all figured out. And she's like,
you know, it was really hard because I think you
had to mourn a part of someone that you had
(19:30):
to let go. That's interesting, honest, it was incredibly support him.
But at the why I find it and why I
was told as a kid that gay was wrong and
like gay man, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's not a good thing. It doesn't fit into the box.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
But neither the relationships, which I like even as much
like that, a relationship doesn't have to be defined in
only one way, Like you have this like marriage with
this woman now like your life partners, you have kids together,
So you have you have two kids in her twenties.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Right, Yeah, kids is nineteen, but he's twenty one. And yeah,
I mean they're amazing, and my one goal in life
was always bring them. I think it basically you can
do as a parent is to give them an experience
outside of their hometown, like unless the way I grew up.
You know, people kind of grow up, they get married,
they have kids, and it's kind of like the formula,
you know, put them to see the world and see
(20:20):
what's out there. And they moved to LA two years ago,
and then I've been having a great time because he's
doing social media. So now Bill is at college and
their liveing their best lives. As a dad, I'm so
proud that I could just give them opportunities and give
them an overview in life.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And if they want to go in there.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
And make the most of it, great, and if they
want to go home, that's also fine too. But I
just want to give them the opportunity to see the world.
I mean, I remember as a kid, I was like
six years old. I remember looking outside the window. It
was northern England, gray, rainy, cold, and I remember just thinking, like,
there's God be more to life than this. I was
one of five kids who as the middle kid. My
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brother's like boy things, my sisters like go so I
was kind of in the middle. To me hair, even
being interested in creative stuff, I didn't fit in academically,
and I always just remember this to finding moment where
I was like this gotn't be more than this. God
be like like color, you know. So I think I
just try and bring that to every more Funny.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Because my daughter came into my class my room last night,
and we had this conversation about school and like this
class that is very challenging and should she take the
less challenging one, and the school says, but then that
might mean she wouldn't get into an Ivy League school.
And we're now thinking about years. She's fourteen years to come.
And my philosophy is it should you should be experiencing
(21:37):
some discomfort but not pain like That's what I said
to her. I said, you have to decide you should
be experiencing discomfort and not pain. But if you're going
to be like getting a D in this advanced over
your SKIS class versus an A and the other one,
I also want like my thing with her, I said,
I said to her last night, I said, I'm not
telling you not to go to college. I would like
you to go because there are a number of reasons
(21:58):
and I would like to see what you want to
do eventually. But I said I didn't need to go
to college, Like I for what I am doing and
the amount I went into the classes, it was a
waste of money and I would try to jam all
my classes into one day. And the reason I'm telling
you this is just that, like it's not a one
size fits all, and I think it's important to like
speak to them in that way versus just like at
(22:20):
them about what you think they're supposed to be doing.
And like you're saying, you're teeing up a menu. Here's
an ALI card, men, you'd pick what you want. We'll
see you know. I mean, I'm gonna I snap the
leash if she's getting off course and is disrespectful in
any way. I'm very strict. She has a very experiential life,
like I imagine your kids do too. They've seen things
(22:41):
that other kids haven't. But I'm not like super into spoiling,
but I agree with that, like it's such a great
canvas to watch your kids and just give them exposure
and ultimately let them decide. So I basically told Teeter
up to decide herself. I was like, here's the menu,
you can decide if you want to switch those classes.
I'm just telling you, yeah, maybe because of this one class,
(23:02):
you won't be able to go to a school that
you dream of going to if you care. But also
she's like, but I do charity. I volunteer on the weekends.
I'm like, yeah, that's all gonna matter too. It's just
like try to explain versus talk at totally.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And I would say like, unfortunately, like the hardest times
of my life have been the most defining, and I
think you just have to experience that. I think hard
times are good, try things of life, and like a
lot of people try to avoid them, and I think
they just avoid it and it will always touch a
leverly different ways. I generally believe that the best thing
(23:37):
you can do is just to go right through it
and come out all the same.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And that can be painful, but.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That's how you learn to go through it later. Like
I thrive a little. That's why I thrive on haters.
It doesn't it's not that I like haters. I'm not
a sicko. But like someone comes in with nasty like
I know either, I'm like, hi, I go, thank you
for being here and engaging and putting money into my
bank account by being here, like I could be the
big It's cunt. That ever walked the earth because I
I'm like great, like you can't. I'm uninsultable, I'm unembarrassable.
(24:06):
I don't care. But I think it's because of that essence,
like I've come from such an abuse life. Oh my god,
my childhood was psychotic. So it's like, what are you
gonna do? You're gonna throw something at me, Like it's okay,
whatever it is, you know. So I it's almost like
a challenge to get something hard, like what do you
(24:26):
Let's go throw it at me, you know, throw it
at me. Even I remember going on Shark Tank and
it was like, well, this is gonna be really challenging
the producers that these are like real entrepreneurs. I'm like, okay,
I think I am too, Like let's go Mark Cuban,
let's go Kevin o'larry hit me, let's see, you know.
And they're all people, and I'm as smart as they
are in certain ways and not in others. Like so
(24:48):
I'm a very push through and I'm also as a
parent the Tough Shit program like my I'm like, Brin,
you're not with that. Life is not being wrapped in
bubble wrap. Everything's not supposed to work.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Oh you know, so those hard times make you make
you who you are, and it makes you it's a
better person. I won't change any of the hard time
and I'm actually I'm putting something together now that will
help people for the future, like you know, be able
to relate to some of them and cook through the
other side. Just life's challenging and it's always branch you
(25:18):
and you know it's it's I just think it's interesting
for people to share their stories, and it's interesting when
people think people are successful. How I think it's great
to be able to use your voice, to be able
to help other people to like, yeah, that's all finances,
it's just about we're all fucking surviving it.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
But these are the options.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
These are the these are the challenges I was faced with,
and these that the you know, these are the choices
I made, which you know, so.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You've become a you know, a name on your own,
not unlike the stars on Dancing with the Stars are
sometimes more famous than the people that are actually the
celebrities on there, So you've worked with so many different people.
Do celebrities sometimes get a little itchy or you know,
cagey when the hairstyles is becoming as, if not more
(26:15):
recognizable than them, Like is there an energy I've seen it?
I just want to know what your opinion is of it.
In general, I will stay.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I think like the people I've worked with have been
incredibly supported, like Kim for example, is you know, incredibly
supportive me and my career and has been fundamentally part
of it. And I don't think there's I've never experienced that,
and I don't I don't think that people that I've
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worked with have been in that way.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Like all boats rise with the tide, we still work together.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I mean, you know, I'm maybe not available for every
single thing. When I'm available for the big stuff and
we make it up. It's it's just a creation, you know.
It's just I think I'm a great relationship with my clients.
I friendship.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
By the way, it's so critical, like I see that
by getting you know, I don't get glam nearly as
much as many of your clients. But like you know,
you're sitting there, you're tired, you're in a mood. You
you know, you're stressed out, there's a lot, you're talking
to your kids, you're on the business calls. You cannot
be in glam and not be operating your life and
your business. It's too much time to not be multitasking.
(27:26):
So it's such an intimate relationship. But I mean Roblow
is married to his makeup artist. A many I think
Patrick Dempsey is too. Like it's very intimate, you know,
and it's uh and it requires being loyal, and it
requires being honest, and it's hard to tell an artist
sometimes when you didn't love something. And for me, like
after when I go to the event, after I'll text
(27:46):
and be like, I think that concealer was a little this,
or I looked at that, and I would because it
informs the next time, and everybody wants to know, you know,
and it's you're in a very competitive space because someone
could have their hair done by someone in a different
climate at a different time, and like you think it's
good on that day. Your hair is just good on
that day, and then you know the other person feels
(28:08):
bad it didn't looks. I mean, it's a very hard business.
It's extremely competitive and very personal.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
But I think you have to let go of like
I think there's an up room for everyone, and I
generally believe that like your talent or your dedication, whatever
it is you do can I always tried to think
about I remember when I was in the sell on,
if I was charging like one hundred dollars for a
haircut and the past next to me was I'll be like, well,
why would that come to me and not the past
and next to me we both charge the same critch
(28:37):
going from an appointment free, And I always tried to
focus on what it is I was offering, like I've
never been that kind of guy that will sit down
and be what we're doing today, same as usual, because
I instantly cut step off like I would always be.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Like who do you want to be? Like what's your
ultimate like goal? Like who do you? Who do you admire?
What hells do you aspire to have?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And people It's really interesting how people really can form
to being told what they should do, and that they
would tell me like, oh, I love this star, but
I know I can't have that, and I'd be like,
why who told you?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And because my hair doesn't do that? If we could
make it do it.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
You know, we were just talk about opening up the options,
and you know, I had a really great client base
in the salon that was really loyal and they spent
way more money than they had, but they just love
the experience that people fucking saw them, that someone looked
at them and could see them and they weren't just
another person in Yeah, people, that's the key.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Like when I my clients, like I still do the
same as what I.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Did when I did it to my moment nine years old,
I generally want them to look like that's great. I
love making people look good, but when you feel good
is when the whole magic happens. I can make you
look great and everyone in the room would say, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I love your hair.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
You are just not on a red cope and you
just aren't feeling it like it didn't feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I know it's nice. You's just totally we agree to
agree totally. It's so wait, that's something I just was
gonna say. Oh. Fun fact, the first time I ever
had my makeup professionally done like for a photoshoot was
Mario for the cover of Social Life magazine. And I
cannot find this image online. I doubt he has it,
but maybe he does because it was very early in
(30:17):
his career too. This is pre Kardashian's and it was spectacular,
like it was unbelievable. But there was something I was
just gonna tell you that I forgot what the hell
it was. We were just talking about that, we're talking
about Yeah, So he was the first person to ever Oh,
I know what it is. Social media. That's what I
really wanted to get into because for some reason, this
era of mine, in this recent accidental influencer era that
(30:40):
literally came out of nowhere. And the more I admit
how little I know about any of the shit because
I don't know anything, the more it is it is awakened.
But such a responsibility to talk about who did the hair,
who did the makeup, who designed the costume for Halloween?
Because I've literally changed people's lives. I've changed businesses like
(31:01):
small cake makers, little like like biscotee, people in queens
like I had no idea. I mean, I've sold millions
of dollars of shit. I've sold hundreds of thousands dollars
a chicken salad. I mean, it's insane. So the responsibility
to like really want to help each other and the
community of social media has been unbelievable. Look, you noticed,
(31:24):
I would never think that you would have seen or
noticed some anecdotal thing that I mentioned your name in
you did said somebody you mentioned you you jumped on
the demure trend, And I was really referring to that
influencer who was freaking out that someone had trademarked it.
And I was giving it like a business twist to
crystallize it because I have a lot of experience there
(31:45):
and I mentioned you. I literally today they were like, wait,
he liked whatever, and I go, I don't see it
on this page, and they sent me the video. He
fucking saw that. It's crazy that you saw that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
And the thing is that's what's so interesting people like,
you know, maybe stopping in the street and they'll be like, oh,
yes that I always it makes me stop when I
have to kind of click into it and oh if
you can't buy on social media, because you forget these
real people that are invested in you and in your
life and they feel like they know you. You know,
because when you do these videos or when you're putting
(32:15):
out this content, I don't really think too much about
it or they just just being me, but you forget
that people really get invested in that.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
People react to it, and you know.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I've had a list celebrities teams tell me that their
person saw this video like and they either loved it
or hurt their film, Like what like you just yeah,
it's a massive megaphone. It's much bigger than traditional tepession.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I was in like just a kid with a dream
and I lived in less than Northern England and j
Lo's sent me an email. I mean, that shows you
the power of social media. Like she was in Hollywood,
I was in less than Northern England. That doesn't show
you the power of social media and how it can
change your whole world. And all I was doing was
portraying my story, putting my story out there and be
(32:59):
more related to it, you know. And I've just tried
to continue that to the point I'm at now. But
now I'm in a place where I want to help
more people and made more people feel a part of it.
And like I said, that's what I'm working on now,
so people can feel like they can part it and
you don't have to be, you know, a a less
celebrity to love them your best, you know everyone well respectfully.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Celebrity has I mean, Hollywood has transformed into a shell
of its former self. Celebrity has transformed into a shell
of its former self. Television, traditional television network television is
a dinosaur and streamers are on the I mean a
cable is like just an older person's dinosaur. So people
will say, like when you come back on TV. I'm like,
(33:41):
I'm on TV right now. Just put on your social media.
This is the fucking show. This is the fucking show.
I've been offered every single TV show you could imagine
for all kinds of money. I'm like, i gotta get
stuck for four months, like glued to what you guys
want me to do. I'm in my pajamas this morning
getting a million views on a coffee maker. When the
lord's work, Chris, You're not the only one who does
(34:02):
the lord's work. I do the lord's work every day,
you know, with chicken, salad of coffee and chanel.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Nobody. It's like it's powerful and people relate to that.
I think what people love about it is the relatability.
People love that it's real. People love you know, you're funny.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I mean, you're entertaining, You're like dancing, you're doing sounds,
You're you're in the game, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
But like people used to see celebrity, that's like over
here and you know, real people over here. But I
think now there's been a transition where people go all right, well,
I know that's not how real hair, so tell me.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Before it was like we don't.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I know, It's what I've been talking and I will.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Say that's what Kim was amazing at or she crazy
through skims.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
She was the first lesson that was like in the
mirror and everyone got what really bits like me stell
you like like I have, this is what I did,
And I think people related to that, and that's why
it's so successful. Like you can't just pump your face
against a picture of a product and go by this.
You know, people want to know why how they betweens,
And that's what I've talked to fit in between of
Sarah or you don't look like Jay Love, but you
don't look like the delieper or Kim or whoever is
(35:10):
that this is how you can break it down to everyone.
And also the audience now wants that. They're like, tell
me what's to buy? Tell me how to get this law?
What do I need? You know?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah? Yeah, no no matter what. Like her work ethic
is a rage. She's in that closet with all those laws.
I mean, that's exhausting alone, just every day, and then
all the other ten thousand things. Yeah, no, one hundred percent.
Pimping ain't easy. And there's an authenticity that traditional celebrity
is struggling with having in the modern day. So it's
(35:40):
a very interesting time for places like California and the
entertainment industry and your business. Wow, what's your birthday? That's
the last thing I wanted. I'm just curious when.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
You're a everyone if I tell you what if, it
matters to me. But because everyone's always like, well.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Let me get well, well, I'm going to get yes
that it's well, no, I don't know. I mean, you're
not a Scorpio, are you?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
No Gemini?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I would never have guessed it, So then there is
no beating to anything. Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed it.
I wouldn't guessed it. But I'm not great at that.
I just I don't know. I got some scorpio energy
from you, but maybe oh really, yeah, just some of
the things you've said very much aligned with how I feel.
I could talk you. It's weird. I could talk to
you for I'm a Scorpio. My birthday is Monday coming
(36:27):
up Monday, So I want to meet you sometime. I
think you're so amazing and so interesting and like, what
a great story.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I would love to Yeah, I'd love to do that.
I mean, I think it's just it's it's a small world.
I'm sure perhaps across, but I think, what's so interested
in anything whatever?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
With these people?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
You know, get obsessed with, you know, people being known
or fameless or whatever it is. But I feel like
there's such a disconnect from like the relatability of what
it feels like for the real person to just look
and feel the best. So like you can in a
piece of that, but you can make them laugh, or
you can tell them a story they can relate to,
or you know. I just think it's it's powerful to
(37:06):
be able to make everyone and then looking filled up
there you like, it's.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
A connection you want to connect.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's universal, it has no boundaries like what I do.
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It doesn't looking and feeling good. Everyone can relate to
thatself now and it's very powerful, and a lot of
people are not seeing a lot of people are not
seeing it every day, Like they go to work and
they're not recognized. They're just another person, and I think
someone when they're actually like seeing like the really blossom.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
It's so true, and it's myself twenty six, cleaning my life.
I didn't see myself. I didn't let myself see myself,
and it wasn't someone said to me, you're allowed to
see yourself, You're allowed to be that past it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
And you don't have to feel guilty. My whole fucking life.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
My whole life literally changed, you know, three sixty and
I never want to be back in those changes.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Why oh you an apology for like leading with your appearance.
I just was shocked. I was like, oh wow, I
know I decided so sorry. It's the least interesting thing
about you is what you look like, but to start
it was a little jarring. So it's so great to
meet you. And if I can ever help you in
any way whatsoever with your business or whatever you've got
going on. It sounds like you're doing an amazing job.
But I'm here and it's I'm so grateful for this conversation.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Thanks Mader, I appreciate it. Let's get a luxious as
bad
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