October 23, 2025 • 26 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Okay, so many things to discuss.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
First and foremost, let's discuss Actually, I want to discuss
how absolutely stunning Kim Kardashian looked at the All's Fair.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
TV show premiere. That's it. I don't really have like
nothing further. You're on her.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I just she looked crisp beautiful, elegant. It just was
a wonderful look. I guess it was vintage or some Chaparrelli. Maybe, No,
it's new Chaparrelli. I don't even I don't even know
who Chaparrelli is, except for I keep hearing people wearing
Chaparrelli and it's like a big deal. I don't know
if it's new or old. I just know she looked amazing. Okay, Now,
let's also talk about Kim Kardashian and Skim's launching the
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Bush underwear. It's underwear with the bush on it. Now,
if Kim Kardashian urinates in a glass and sells it,
she could make millions of dollars on that. Anything they
do is going to clickbait succeed. But I do believe
that being an entrepreneur is about longevity, and ideas are
about longevity. There's a difference in being successful in business
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and being a billionaire. There's a difference in her swag.
Now it's like she it's old money versus new money.
I'm not saying she's old money, because she's not, but
it's the way an old money versus a new money
person acts like she's like any fucking questions, Like when
she's taught she was not this way five years ago.
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When she's interviewed on a red carpet, there's a relaxation.
When she's interviewed with Alex Cooper, there's a relaxation and
a confidence and a security in her voice, like I
have apps afusolutely nothing to prove, and I'm doing exactly
what I want, when I want, how I want, and
I just find that interesting. Success will do that to
a person. Success will do that to a person, and
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it might make you nicer, calmer, less desperate because you're there,
you did it, you made it, nothing to prove, there's
an essence, there's a shift now their business has exploded.
No one needs to tell the Kardashians how to make money,
but I think it works for her from a macro perspective, clickbait,
(02:18):
rage bait, just like immediate attention bait is not a
viable long term play. Skims is amazing and has revolutionized
the undergarments industry. I am not taking any flowers away
from them. I just feel like I felt it with
this candle smells like my vagina a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I guess maybe I don't even know how I feel.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Like I get it, and then it becomes a good
gag gift, and I guess the Bush underwear or something
for curiosity or also a gag gift or right before Halloween.
I guess You're allowed to do whatever you want to do, obviously,
and any brand does whatever they want to do and
it's doing well, so like you can't tell somebody what
was wrong when they're crushing it in the name of money,
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like Sidney Sweeney and the American Eagle ad like that
enraged people and they spiked in sales. But that really
shouldn't have enraged people because they didn't really do anything wrong.
She's hot, pretty and she was selling jeans. What her
politics is is none of anyone's business. And if she's
pretty and doing a pun on words about having good jeans,
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like everyone went crazy, Okay, but people have also gone
crazy about the Bush under where it makes me uncomfortable.
I just don't like it. But then again, I don't
have to buy it. Some people don't like only fans
and you don't have to watch it. But what I
guess what I'm getting at overall, is there a situation where,
like a person like her or Gwyneth Paltrow was so
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wealthy that people then are sort of mad at them.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
For like.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Just knowing that they can fuck around with an audience
and just make money off of it. Like does that
sustain It probably doesn't. It probably doesn't even actually matter.
You know, it probably doesn't actually even matter because so
far it worked. And it's not like they're saying that
like a big hairy bush underwear is something you need
to keep in your wardrobe forever. I think that they
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should have had it be a rose bush, so it's
like your bush smells like roses. But anyway, I just
thought that was just a crazy thing that people thought.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I guess I keep.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
We're in the land of like click bait, rage bait,
shocking marketing ideas that are meant to like trigger people
to get them to just react and buy. And I
think that that is because attention is the new oil.
My COO sent me an article or something quoting someone
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saying attention is the new oil, and I think that's
what I'm getting at Attention is the new oil. So
just you're jumping up and down, setting yourself on fire
because someone has to pay attention to you because it's
so hard to pay attention. Even though Skims is doing well,
there's probably some data saying that a lot of people
are buying it on Amazon or after the tariffs thing,
people were showing where everything was made, and they were
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showing literally exactly where Skims are made, Lululemon are made,
and so maybe it's just you can't survive on just
good products, good quality, good normal innovation of marketing. You
have to come up with crazy things. So this guy
sent people an ATV to promote blankets, and like people
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got mad, Like I think it was poppy that sent
maybe a mixing brands, but somebody sent like a whole wardrobe,
like a whole closet to people's homes and people were
mad because you're sending that stuff and it's a waste
of money, and influencers are so rich, but these things
all get press coverage, and that's what anybody wants you're
trying to buy for attention. So you can't just do
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the run of the mill marketing plan.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
You have to do something. You have to really like
shock and awe people. So's that's what the real message is.
I guess it's National Kim Kardashian Day because also I
saw Kim Kardashian on Call Her Daddy, and I did
not think for me that the Kamala interview landed.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I just don't think that.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I think that it for Kamala, it wasn't necessarily something
that would move the needle. I said this, I got
like panned and criticized for saying it, and I meant it.
I think that the Kim Kardashian interview landed hard. And again,
it's politics and pop culture, and it makes sense why
one would work on Call Her Daddy. And I totally
think that Alex Cooper was brilliant to have Kamala on
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and Kim Kardashian. But I think that Call Her Daddy
and Kim doing Call Her Daddy humanized her in a
way that other places don't. And she seemed very likable
and very nice and very sweet and patient and thorough
and her answers seemed like they were honest, and there
was one thing that she said. I just watched clips,
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but like asking if men are intimidated by her, and
she said, my person wouldn't be. That indicates to me
that she either has somebody she's really interested in who
she already knows isn't or you know, she's just had
that expectation, or that's what she's manifesting, because she's damn
fucking right. And I talk about it all the time.
I've had people dim my light. I've had people intimidated
by me, people who tell me it's all too much,
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people who tell me they feel bad about what they've
got going on because how much I have going on
that I feel self conscious about how much money I
have or make or what I'm doing. So I try
to like temper it and take it down for them,
and like, none of that works. And she's basically saying
by saying my person isn't or wouldn't be, that she's
not gonna ever make She's not going to ever work
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with someone who's not going to be able to handle
her circus. And you know what, someone can handle her circus,
Someone can and would want to handle her circus. Can
we trust that person? Unclear? I go through the same thing.
But can she be with someone who can't handle her program?
Absolutely not. That will not work. We do what or
we don't. We go or we stay home. We go
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big or we go home. We do not date down.
We do not make something meet us where we're at,
unless it's a partnership, meaning there's compromise and sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That's normal.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But you're not gonna be an a student and try
to be a c student for some dope you're dating.
You're not gonna be hot, but try to make yourself
look like shit for some less attractive guy you're dating.
You're not gonna hide that you like to spend her
like nice things because you're dating some broke ass, fucking loser,
some scrub.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You're not gonna.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You're not gonna say someone can't handle me and they're intimidated,
because no, your person isn't. That was a brilliant thing
she said, really just and she didn't fucking hesitate or stutter.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It wasn't a line.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
She just knew in her body, which leads me to
believe there's someone in her life that she's being super
low key about. Like some major private equity guy or
business guy. She said it too quickly that I think
there's somebody that she's dating. It was just too quick.
She knows who a person is because but maybe should not.
Either way, it doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Go for yours.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I am so beaten down and I have not exercised
in a week. And I was in Paris whooping it up.
Then I went to Vegas whooping it up. Then I
went to New York whooping it up. I'm falling asleep
as I sit here because I'm just thinking, like I
really can't do it. I really can't do this work schedule.
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And then also go out and have a couple of
drinks like it just I'm the type of person that
goes activation nation, like full on life of the party.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Fine, let's have drink, let's go out, and let's do
all the things.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And then it's a burst and then I try to nest,
but it takes a minute before I can like flip
the sleeping switch. Does this make any sense? Are any
of you people that get really activated? So, like I
remember this from when I was on Skating with the
Stars or when I was on the Apprentice. I'd be
up days on end, waking up in the middle of
the night because I wasn't in a good clip, because
I was in activation mode, meaning I had just been
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doing so many things, and even though I was working
hard and not sleeping, you're not tired, you're on fumes.
Let's say you're mourning something, or let's say you just
met someone you're all excited. Or let's say you've got
an incredible business opportunity, or let's say you just do
a live tour. Did stand up like I can't decompress.
I will get more and more activated, and then goes
the opposite too, not until I've started to sleep, like
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laying on a couch, fell asleep, a little, fell asleep again,
to another show, then at night while I was watching TV,
and then you start to like melt into it. And
then I burst sleep. I burst work and activation and
then I burst sleep. And it's not that balanced, and
I don't love it. I don't burst exercise like that,
but I do realize that I have to be exercising
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to stay to be able to sleep. So I'm having
a very rough time because I have this dating idea
and businesses explode and travels exploding, and I'm in rare
air and everything's amazing, but it's taking a toll on me,
and I need to fucking stop the ride. I want
someone to come and like zap me with a tranquilizer.
That's what I actually want. So if you're.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Interested in that, here I am.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Sleep is a major topic, whether it's melatonin or magnesium
or edibles that are into gona make you sleep? Or
are you taking ambient or kalanapin, or do you take
xanax or valium or you know, what do you do
when you can't sleep? Like what's your thing? First of all,
I'm just gonna say I think ambient is the devil.
(11:35):
I think it's literally the worst. You couldn't pay me
to take it, zolpidem ambient. There's another one with L
like lunesta.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Immediately No, I just find that also to be like toxic.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I don't believe in like farm up drugs unless you
really need them.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's just like toxic.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Anytime you have to go take painkillers or something, you're
constantated like it's just like I've seen too many bad
things and it just psychologically seems like pills are okay
because they're like in a medicine, little bottle, and it's
just it's just a nightmare. So anyway, what is your
opinion and what are your methods on sleep? For me,
if I let me tell you how my sleep patterns go.
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If I'm in a good rhythm for sleeping, my digestion
is better, my skin is better, I'm not as dehydrated.
I'm sleeping through the night. I even if it's six
seven hours, it's from night to morning. I'm not waking
up in the middle of the night and then not
being able to get back. I'm not usually drinking at night,
which it disrupts sleep. Usually when I'm exercising, it's better. Okay,
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So we know all these things. So for me, if
I'm activated, So let's say I've got there's a disaster
and I'm working on relief work. Let's say I am
dating someone new. Let's say I have a new business idea.
Let's say I've been traveling. Let's say I go out
and I do a live show somewhere, or when I
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used to be on Watch Mappens Live or do the reunion,
or I I go do the Call Her Daddy's show
or whatever. I get activated by activation, like something that's
very activating. Makes me activated. Something that means engaging or
connecting or i idating, if that's a word, activates me.
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So I go on these bursts. So I went, and
I would like to have fun, and that's the problem.
So I go to Paris and I go out one
night with my friends and people from Loreel and like,
now we're out too really late. So it's fun and
I'm having a great time, and there are a lot
of stories to be told. It's activated. I'm drinking alcohol.
I don't have a good night sleep. The next day,
I don't sleep that well. But then I have to
go to a fashion show in Paris, and then that's activating.
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But you have hair and makeup on, so you glue
yourself together and you look okay, and then you're like, okay,
pros play hurt. I have to get on the plane tomorrow.
I'll sleep the whole plane ride. Then you don't. You
just scrap like an hour or two. Then you come
back from Paris, you have jet lag and like you're
waking up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Or you're not sleeping through the night.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Then you have to go to Vegas because you're doing
this and that all these things that sound good on paper.
Then you're doing the Call Her Daddy show and you're activated.
Things are going well, work is going well, you're dating,
you're you're looking good.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Like it's all activating.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And it's kind of maddening because I when activated, even
if I'm exhausted, even if during the day I'm exhausted,
I can't come down. I stay on fumes for a while.
And so like this weekend, I knew that Tuesday I
had to go to LA which means we're entering a
new activation mode, a new activation zone. And I just
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got off of the Paris Vegas, New York tour. So
I was like, no, I need to reset. How am
I going to recalibrate? So it was Saturday, and I
went to the beach for the day and I couldn't
see One of the days I was doing the podcast
here with you, I like, I was like, fell asleep
while doing it. But I was like a zombie. I
could just I was like, I'm not a person. I've
not been sleeping and it's a nightmare. So even when
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I know that I have the time to sleep, meaning Okay,
it's Friday night, I'm going to bed and I'm gonna
get a good night's sleep, and I'm gonna sleep late,
and I'm waking up at three in the morning for
like the day, and I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And it's just because your mind is activated, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Like in that case, it was because I went out
and had a martini and a glass of wine because
I was on a date and I was all excited,
and I went home and I stayed up late because
I'm taxing the person. And then in the middle of
the night, I woke up at three in the morning
and it's like not making sense because I'm fucking tired.
So then Saturday, after the beach, I booked myself an
hour and a half massage. I always know that there's
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going to be some catalyst, something that's going to break
the cycle and take me down, like take this big
manic horse down. So Saturday, I booked myself a ninety
minute massage. Halfway through it, my brain, I think, starts
to stop. I pass out. I come out of the
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massage on like a zombie, trying to watch TV. Later,
I fall asleep five times. I sleep through the entire
I sleep through the night till three o'clock woke up
for an hour, took something, did a go back, slept
till nine o'clock in the morning yesterday, then all day
was trying to watch TV. Slept like fifteen times, then
went to bed and like fell asleep at nine thirty.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Slept till this morning at six o'clock in the morning.
Like it's the opposite of what was just happening.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It's almost like a bear that like hibernates and then
is fully let's go, or a camel that like stores
up on water.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I burst for.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
A while, and then all of a sudden that massage
took a pin in it and let all the air
out of it, and now I'm on like the recalibrate
the heel of the nervous system, the take it down
a notch, and it's it's it's I'm grateful for it
because even though I wish it was more on the
day to day and more balanced versus like having a
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fucking binge of non sleep and then now a binge
of sleep, I'll take it like I need it. At
least I know that if I'm going to have a
no sleep burst, that I will eventually at some point
crash and like go down hard. I went down really
fucking hard. So I just want to know about your
relationship to sleep, because this is what happened to me
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on the Apprentice. I was on the Apprentice and I
was exhausted. I was sleeping one hour a night maximum,
and I was manic with the tasks and the ideas
and execution, and I didn't sleep. And people were falling
asleep and sleeping well because they knew they had to
for the task the next day.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
My mind was flying. Same thing with Dancing with the Stars.
That's why I didn't want to do Dancing with the
Stars the hundred times they've asked me. I don't want
to be in la like freaking out, panicking, thinking like
I just at this age, at this stage, I just
don't want like the manic feeling I'm trying. You try
to keep the levels down as much. There are exceptions,
and relief work is an exception. But even then, like
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I try to not go on the ride, and the
thing is, alcohol is not good for that ride. That
ride is hard enough, and the lack of sleep is
bad enough that when you add alcohol to it, when
you add the night with my friends in Paris, that
I went out and party. When you add the date recently,
when you add Vegas going out and party, like, it's
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just it sucks because you want to be young and
have fun, but we have to pick our spots. Like, truthfully,
that tour would have been much easier had I end
up in drinking.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
It just added a layer that was not necessary.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So I'm really trying to not do that because it
really just fucks you. It's why I created mingle mocktails,
Like you need a mocktail to like mingle mood. It
gives you like an altered an altered state. It does
alter your mood, but you're not going to feel like
shit the next day. It's honestly, alcohol, sugar, meat, stimulants
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and activation and your phone and all these things really
contribute to your sleep. Like you could give me as
much magnesium as you want, as much edibles, whatever you want.
Nothing is more decompressing than controlling yourself from alcohol, from
meat and sugar and stimulants and coffee and chocolate, and like,
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you gotta just take care of yourself. It's really hard,
but you gotta. All right, let's talk about the mainstream media.
Let's talk about the mainstream media. And Taylor Swift at
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the same time. So there are two different things I
want to discuss. Number One, Taylor Swift released in an album.
Please don't get mad at me if I don't know
all the details. Actually fuck off. If you get mad
at me because I don't know all the details, you're
a loser. So do get mad at me. So Taylor Swift,
I think is launching a movie and or an album.
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And this is the thing. I wouldn't know this if
it weren't for the rabid social media fighting and the
polarization of Taylor Swift. Like that should be an album.
The polarization. It should just be called polarization because I
don't know what the fuck is going on. But like
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people are fighting over whether someone likes it doesn't like it,
Like there's outrage about liking it and then not liking
it and then fighting with each other, like you have
to seriously need to get laid paid a hobby. Something
has to go on in your life if you are
arguing with people the way that people argued about presidential candidates,
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and it was wrong when they argued this way about
presidential candidates. It was wrong when there was this divisiveness
and polarization about presidential candidates, but that affects like your paycheck,
your health, your life, your welfare, your parents, your social security,
your mortgage, like the economy, your kids' education, war, nuclear bombs,
Like it's a pretty important decision who you vote for.
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And that was also so divisive, and people were tearing
each other apart.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So forgive me if people tearing.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Each other apart over a musical artist is preposterous to me,
and like, get your fucking life together.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, So compound that with the fact that.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
The mainstream media wrote about my opinion on this, so
on social media, I said what I believe to be true,
which is, if you want to buy someone's album, buy
their merch, buy into their life, go to their shows,
be entertained by them, love them, be happy for them,
Be excited that they are in a relationship, excited they're
getting married. Love everything they wear, do, eat, taste, think,
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breathe want, sing, opine great, live your life, enjoy. If
you don't want to buy the person's work, then don't
you get to eat chocolate or vanilla. You could go
to McDonald's or Burger King. You could drink coke or
doctor pepper. Your choice, but to make it your entire personality,
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to like be doing deep dark debates about this seems
to me insane. You know, you could have an opinion
drive by opinion.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I didn't like it great, but like people are like
badgering each other and making it their whole life and
just like getting mad about it or being mean about it.
Like it's just not that deep either way, Like my
thing was, like, I don't think about it that much.
I think she's she's talented, her lyrics are good, her
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show was good, she worked hard. I'm happy for someone
who's in a relationship and happy, and I definitely want
people to find love. I think that's the ultimate inspirational act,
like showing other people that you're finding true love and
not with ulterior motives and you name it. I think
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it's great, okay to have a whole dating concept. But
the mainstream media wrote it about this post I did,
and totally like clickbait manipulated people like clickbait false information,
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and I've seen that before, but like so stupidly egregious
where none of this matters, there are no stakes to it.
So I basically said, but I just said to you,
but what the mainstream media put all over headlights is
that I came after Taylor Swift's fans telling them to
get a hobby for being passionate about Taylor Swift. That
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is not true. That is not what I said. I
swung the pendulum both ways, and you can like me
or hey me. I don't care, and I would tell
you if I did say that, I wouldn't care. But
I didn't say that at all. And I bring this
up because the mainstream media is so dangerous because it
doesn't matter what I think about an album that I
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wouldn't have even known about, would it not for the
psychos that are like debating and badgering and trolling and
bulling each other over it. But what does matter is
when you are voting for education, military, the economy made,
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you know, philanthropy, relief work, like how a company works
and what you're going to do with your children based
on what they eat, how you sleep, medicine, how you live,
what you buy. That's when it gets irresponsible. So for
a headline to indicate that I said something that I
absolutely didn't, it's not dangerous, but it is dangerous in
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what it means. It means I'm certainly not the I'm
not the exception. I'm not the one time that the
media decided to like clickbait saying something that's not true
at all. And I find that to be really egregious
and dangerous because I find that people, many people don't
read the newspaper and don't watch the news many people,
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most people, if they even watch any news information on
social media, they get most of their news and information
from snippets. It just like flashes by. It's like subliminal advertising.
There's so many things I see on social media. I
don't even really realize I saw it, just like I
was scrolling through and I know more than I even
know that I know, and I didn't see anything about it.
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Meaning I know what dances were like and what costumes
people wore on Dancing with the Stars. I know that
they caught the arsonists like for the California fires, but
I didn't see that in the news.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
It was just like a flash drive by.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I know about clogs that are viral and sandwiches that
are popular because.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Of just like a quick snippet.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So it's very dangerous when we are watching mainstream media
through these clickbait sound bites and like believing it to
be true.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I think it's really reckless.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I think there has to be a level of accuracy
to headlines. You can't manipulate and misinform people with clickbait headlines.
There has to be some guardrails to that. I just
think it's wildly irresponsible.
Okay, so many things to discuss.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
First and foremost, let's discuss Actually, I want to discuss
how absolutely stunning Kim Kardashian looked at the All's Fair.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
TV show premiere. That's it. I don't really have like
nothing further. You're on her.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I just she looked crisp beautiful, elegant. It just was
a wonderful look. I guess it was vintage or some Chaparrelli. Maybe, No,
it's new Chaparrelli. I don't even I don't even know
who Chaparrelli is, except for I keep hearing people wearing
Chaparrelli and it's like a big deal. I don't know
if it's new or old. I just know she looked amazing. Okay, Now,
let's also talk about Kim Kardashian and Skim's launching the
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Bush underwear. It's underwear with the bush on it. Now,
if Kim Kardashian urinates in a glass and sells it,
she could make millions of dollars on that. Anything they
do is going to clickbait succeed. But I do believe
that being an entrepreneur is about longevity, and ideas are
about longevity. There's a difference in being successful in business
(01:14):
and being a billionaire. There's a difference in her swag.
Now it's like she it's old money versus new money.
I'm not saying she's old money, because she's not, but
it's the way an old money versus a new money
person acts like she's like any fucking questions, Like when
she's taught she was not this way five years ago.
(01:34):
When she's interviewed on a red carpet, there's a relaxation.
When she's interviewed with Alex Cooper, there's a relaxation and
a confidence and a security in her voice, like I
have apps afusolutely nothing to prove, and I'm doing exactly
what I want, when I want, how I want, and
I just find that interesting. Success will do that to
a person. Success will do that to a person, and
(01:57):
it might make you nicer, calmer, less desperate because you're there,
you did it, you made it, nothing to prove, there's
an essence, there's a shift now their business has exploded.
No one needs to tell the Kardashians how to make money,
but I think it works for her from a macro perspective, clickbait,
(02:18):
rage bait, just like immediate attention bait is not a
viable long term play. Skims is amazing and has revolutionized
the undergarments industry. I am not taking any flowers away
from them. I just feel like I felt it with
this candle smells like my vagina a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I guess maybe I don't even know how I feel.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Like I get it, and then it becomes a good
gag gift, and I guess the Bush underwear or something
for curiosity or also a gag gift or right before Halloween.
I guess You're allowed to do whatever you want to do, obviously,
and any brand does whatever they want to do and
it's doing well, so like you can't tell somebody what
was wrong when they're crushing it in the name of money,
(03:05):
like Sidney Sweeney and the American Eagle ad like that
enraged people and they spiked in sales. But that really
shouldn't have enraged people because they didn't really do anything wrong.
She's hot, pretty and she was selling jeans. What her
politics is is none of anyone's business. And if she's
pretty and doing a pun on words about having good jeans,
(03:25):
like everyone went crazy, Okay, but people have also gone
crazy about the Bush under where it makes me uncomfortable.
I just don't like it. But then again, I don't
have to buy it. Some people don't like only fans
and you don't have to watch it. But what I
guess what I'm getting at overall, is there a situation where,
like a person like her or Gwyneth Paltrow was so
(03:45):
wealthy that people then are sort of mad at them.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
For like.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Just knowing that they can fuck around with an audience
and just make money off of it. Like does that
sustain It probably doesn't. It probably doesn't even actually matter.
You know, it probably doesn't actually even matter because so
far it worked. And it's not like they're saying that
like a big hairy bush underwear is something you need
to keep in your wardrobe forever. I think that they
(04:13):
should have had it be a rose bush, so it's
like your bush smells like roses. But anyway, I just
thought that was just a crazy thing that people thought.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I guess I keep.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
We're in the land of like click bait, rage bait,
shocking marketing ideas that are meant to like trigger people
to get them to just react and buy. And I
think that that is because attention is the new oil.
My COO sent me an article or something quoting someone
(04:43):
saying attention is the new oil, and I think that's
what I'm getting at Attention is the new oil. So
just you're jumping up and down, setting yourself on fire
because someone has to pay attention to you because it's
so hard to pay attention. Even though Skims is doing well,
there's probably some data saying that a lot of people
are buying it on Amazon or after the tariffs thing,
people were showing where everything was made, and they were
(05:06):
showing literally exactly where Skims are made, Lululemon are made,
and so maybe it's just you can't survive on just
good products, good quality, good normal innovation of marketing. You
have to come up with crazy things. So this guy
sent people an ATV to promote blankets, and like people
(05:27):
got mad, Like I think it was poppy that sent
maybe a mixing brands, but somebody sent like a whole wardrobe,
like a whole closet to people's homes and people were
mad because you're sending that stuff and it's a waste
of money, and influencers are so rich, but these things
all get press coverage, and that's what anybody wants you're
trying to buy for attention. So you can't just do
(05:48):
the run of the mill marketing plan.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
You have to do something. You have to really like
shock and awe people. So's that's what the real message is.
I guess it's National Kim Kardashian Day because also I
saw Kim Kardashian on Call Her Daddy, and I did
not think for me that the Kamala interview landed.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I just don't think that.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I think that it for Kamala, it wasn't necessarily something
that would move the needle. I said this, I got
like panned and criticized for saying it, and I meant it.
I think that the Kim Kardashian interview landed hard. And again,
it's politics and pop culture, and it makes sense why
one would work on Call Her Daddy. And I totally
think that Alex Cooper was brilliant to have Kamala on
(06:33):
and Kim Kardashian. But I think that Call Her Daddy
and Kim doing Call Her Daddy humanized her in a
way that other places don't. And she seemed very likable
and very nice and very sweet and patient and thorough
and her answers seemed like they were honest, and there
was one thing that she said. I just watched clips,
(06:56):
but like asking if men are intimidated by her, and
she said, my person wouldn't be. That indicates to me
that she either has somebody she's really interested in who
she already knows isn't or you know, she's just had
that expectation, or that's what she's manifesting, because she's damn
fucking right. And I talk about it all the time.
I've had people dim my light. I've had people intimidated
by me, people who tell me it's all too much,
(07:17):
people who tell me they feel bad about what they've
got going on because how much I have going on
that I feel self conscious about how much money I
have or make or what I'm doing. So I try
to like temper it and take it down for them,
and like, none of that works. And she's basically saying
by saying my person isn't or wouldn't be, that she's
not gonna ever make She's not going to ever work
(07:37):
with someone who's not going to be able to handle
her circus. And you know what, someone can handle her circus,
Someone can and would want to handle her circus. Can
we trust that person? Unclear? I go through the same thing.
But can she be with someone who can't handle her program?
Absolutely not. That will not work. We do what or
we don't. We go or we stay home. We go
(07:58):
big or we go home. We do not date down.
We do not make something meet us where we're at,
unless it's a partnership, meaning there's compromise and sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That's normal.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But you're not gonna be an a student and try
to be a c student for some dope you're dating.
You're not gonna be hot, but try to make yourself
look like shit for some less attractive guy you're dating.
You're not gonna hide that you like to spend her
like nice things because you're dating some broke ass, fucking loser,
some scrub.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You're not gonna.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You're not gonna say someone can't handle me and they're intimidated,
because no, your person isn't. That was a brilliant thing
she said, really just and she didn't fucking hesitate or stutter.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It wasn't a line.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
She just knew in her body, which leads me to
believe there's someone in her life that she's being super
low key about. Like some major private equity guy or
business guy. She said it too quickly that I think
there's somebody that she's dating. It was just too quick.
She knows who a person is because but maybe should not.
Either way, it doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Go for yours.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I am so beaten down and I have not exercised
in a week. And I was in Paris whooping it up.
Then I went to Vegas whooping it up. Then I
went to New York whooping it up. I'm falling asleep
as I sit here because I'm just thinking, like I
really can't do it. I really can't do this work schedule.
(09:35):
And then also go out and have a couple of
drinks like it just I'm the type of person that
goes activation nation, like full on life of the party.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Fine, let's have drink, let's go out, and let's do
all the things.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And then it's a burst and then I try to nest,
but it takes a minute before I can like flip
the sleeping switch. Does this make any sense? Are any
of you people that get really activated? So, like I
remember this from when I was on Skating with the
Stars or when I was on the Apprentice. I'd be
up days on end, waking up in the middle of
the night because I wasn't in a good clip, because
I was in activation mode, meaning I had just been
(10:07):
doing so many things, and even though I was working
hard and not sleeping, you're not tired, you're on fumes.
Let's say you're mourning something, or let's say you just
met someone you're all excited. Or let's say you've got
an incredible business opportunity, or let's say you just do
a live tour. Did stand up like I can't decompress.
I will get more and more activated, and then goes
the opposite too, not until I've started to sleep, like
(10:30):
laying on a couch, fell asleep, a little, fell asleep again,
to another show, then at night while I was watching TV,
and then you start to like melt into it. And
then I burst sleep. I burst work and activation and
then I burst sleep. And it's not that balanced, and
I don't love it. I don't burst exercise like that,
but I do realize that I have to be exercising
(10:50):
to stay to be able to sleep. So I'm having
a very rough time because I have this dating idea
and businesses explode and travels exploding, and I'm in rare
air and everything's amazing, but it's taking a toll on me,
and I need to fucking stop the ride. I want
someone to come and like zap me with a tranquilizer.
That's what I actually want. So if you're.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Interested in that, here I am.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Sleep is a major topic, whether it's melatonin or magnesium
or edibles that are into gona make you sleep? Or
are you taking ambient or kalanapin, or do you take
xanax or valium or you know, what do you do
when you can't sleep? Like what's your thing? First of all,
I'm just gonna say I think ambient is the devil.
(11:35):
I think it's literally the worst. You couldn't pay me
to take it, zolpidem ambient. There's another one with L
like lunesta.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Immediately No, I just find that also to be like toxic.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I don't believe in like farm up drugs unless you
really need them.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's just like toxic.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Anytime you have to go take painkillers or something, you're
constantated like it's just like I've seen too many bad
things and it just psychologically seems like pills are okay
because they're like in a medicine, little bottle, and it's
just it's just a nightmare. So anyway, what is your
opinion and what are your methods on sleep? For me,
if I let me tell you how my sleep patterns go.
(12:13):
If I'm in a good rhythm for sleeping, my digestion
is better, my skin is better, I'm not as dehydrated.
I'm sleeping through the night. I even if it's six
seven hours, it's from night to morning. I'm not waking
up in the middle of the night and then not
being able to get back. I'm not usually drinking at night,
which it disrupts sleep. Usually when I'm exercising, it's better. Okay,
(12:35):
So we know all these things. So for me, if
I'm activated, So let's say I've got there's a disaster
and I'm working on relief work. Let's say I am
dating someone new. Let's say I have a new business idea.
Let's say I've been traveling. Let's say I go out
and I do a live show somewhere, or when I
(12:56):
used to be on Watch Mappens Live or do the reunion,
or I I go do the Call Her Daddy's show
or whatever. I get activated by activation, like something that's
very activating. Makes me activated. Something that means engaging or
connecting or i idating, if that's a word, activates me.
(13:19):
So I go on these bursts. So I went, and
I would like to have fun, and that's the problem.
So I go to Paris and I go out one
night with my friends and people from Loreel and like,
now we're out too really late. So it's fun and
I'm having a great time, and there are a lot
of stories to be told. It's activated. I'm drinking alcohol.
I don't have a good night sleep. The next day,
I don't sleep that well. But then I have to
go to a fashion show in Paris, and then that's activating.
(13:41):
But you have hair and makeup on, so you glue
yourself together and you look okay, and then you're like, okay,
pros play hurt. I have to get on the plane tomorrow.
I'll sleep the whole plane ride. Then you don't. You
just scrap like an hour or two. Then you come
back from Paris, you have jet lag and like you're
waking up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Or you're not sleeping through the night.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Then you have to go to Vegas because you're doing
this and that all these things that sound good on paper.
Then you're doing the Call Her Daddy show and you're activated.
Things are going well, work is going well, you're dating,
you're you're looking good.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Like it's all activating.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And it's kind of maddening because I when activated, even
if I'm exhausted, even if during the day I'm exhausted,
I can't come down. I stay on fumes for a while.
And so like this weekend, I knew that Tuesday I
had to go to LA which means we're entering a
new activation mode, a new activation zone. And I just
(14:33):
got off of the Paris Vegas, New York tour. So
I was like, no, I need to reset. How am
I going to recalibrate? So it was Saturday, and I
went to the beach for the day and I couldn't
see One of the days I was doing the podcast
here with you, I like, I was like, fell asleep
while doing it. But I was like a zombie. I
could just I was like, I'm not a person. I've
not been sleeping and it's a nightmare. So even when
(14:57):
I know that I have the time to sleep, meaning Okay,
it's Friday night, I'm going to bed and I'm gonna
get a good night's sleep, and I'm gonna sleep late,
and I'm waking up at three in the morning for
like the day, and I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And it's just because your mind is activated, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Like in that case, it was because I went out
and had a martini and a glass of wine because
I was on a date and I was all excited,
and I went home and I stayed up late because
I'm taxing the person. And then in the middle of
the night, I woke up at three in the morning
and it's like not making sense because I'm fucking tired.
So then Saturday, after the beach, I booked myself an
hour and a half massage. I always know that there's
(15:35):
going to be some catalyst, something that's going to break
the cycle and take me down, like take this big
manic horse down. So Saturday, I booked myself a ninety
minute massage. Halfway through it, my brain, I think, starts
to stop. I pass out. I come out of the
(15:58):
massage on like a zombie, trying to watch TV. Later,
I fall asleep five times. I sleep through the entire
I sleep through the night till three o'clock woke up
for an hour, took something, did a go back, slept
till nine o'clock in the morning yesterday, then all day
was trying to watch TV. Slept like fifteen times, then
went to bed and like fell asleep at nine thirty.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Slept till this morning at six o'clock in the morning.
Like it's the opposite of what was just happening.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It's almost like a bear that like hibernates and then
is fully let's go, or a camel that like stores
up on water.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I burst for.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
A while, and then all of a sudden that massage
took a pin in it and let all the air
out of it, and now I'm on like the recalibrate
the heel of the nervous system, the take it down
a notch, and it's it's it's I'm grateful for it
because even though I wish it was more on the
day to day and more balanced versus like having a
(16:55):
fucking binge of non sleep and then now a binge
of sleep, I'll take it like I need it. At
least I know that if I'm going to have a
no sleep burst, that I will eventually at some point
crash and like go down hard. I went down really
fucking hard. So I just want to know about your
relationship to sleep, because this is what happened to me
(17:16):
on the Apprentice. I was on the Apprentice and I
was exhausted. I was sleeping one hour a night maximum,
and I was manic with the tasks and the ideas
and execution, and I didn't sleep. And people were falling
asleep and sleeping well because they knew they had to
for the task the next day.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
My mind was flying. Same thing with Dancing with the Stars.
That's why I didn't want to do Dancing with the
Stars the hundred times they've asked me. I don't want
to be in la like freaking out, panicking, thinking like
I just at this age, at this stage, I just
don't want like the manic feeling I'm trying. You try
to keep the levels down as much. There are exceptions,
and relief work is an exception. But even then, like
(17:56):
I try to not go on the ride, and the
thing is, alcohol is not good for that ride. That
ride is hard enough, and the lack of sleep is
bad enough that when you add alcohol to it, when
you add the night with my friends in Paris, that
I went out and party. When you add the date recently,
when you add Vegas going out and party, like, it's
(18:16):
just it sucks because you want to be young and
have fun, but we have to pick our spots. Like, truthfully,
that tour would have been much easier had I end
up in drinking.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
It just added a layer that was not necessary.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So I'm really trying to not do that because it
really just fucks you. It's why I created mingle mocktails,
Like you need a mocktail to like mingle mood. It
gives you like an altered an altered state. It does
alter your mood, but you're not going to feel like
shit the next day. It's honestly, alcohol, sugar, meat, stimulants
(18:49):
and activation and your phone and all these things really
contribute to your sleep. Like you could give me as
much magnesium as you want, as much edibles, whatever you want.
Nothing is more decompressing than controlling yourself from alcohol, from
meat and sugar and stimulants and coffee and chocolate, and like,
(19:13):
you gotta just take care of yourself. It's really hard,
but you gotta. All right, let's talk about the mainstream media.
Let's talk about the mainstream media. And Taylor Swift at
(19:36):
the same time. So there are two different things I
want to discuss. Number One, Taylor Swift released in an album.
Please don't get mad at me if I don't know
all the details. Actually fuck off. If you get mad
at me because I don't know all the details, you're
a loser. So do get mad at me. So Taylor Swift,
I think is launching a movie and or an album.
(19:56):
And this is the thing. I wouldn't know this if
it weren't for the rabid social media fighting and the
polarization of Taylor Swift. Like that should be an album.
The polarization. It should just be called polarization because I
don't know what the fuck is going on. But like
(20:18):
people are fighting over whether someone likes it doesn't like it,
Like there's outrage about liking it and then not liking
it and then fighting with each other, like you have
to seriously need to get laid paid a hobby. Something
has to go on in your life if you are
arguing with people the way that people argued about presidential candidates,
(20:41):
and it was wrong when they argued this way about
presidential candidates. It was wrong when there was this divisiveness
and polarization about presidential candidates, but that affects like your paycheck,
your health, your life, your welfare, your parents, your social security,
your mortgage, like the economy, your kids' education, war, nuclear bombs,
Like it's a pretty important decision who you vote for.
(21:04):
And that was also so divisive, and people were tearing
each other apart.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So forgive me if people tearing.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Each other apart over a musical artist is preposterous to me,
and like, get your fucking life together.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, So compound that with the fact that.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
The mainstream media wrote about my opinion on this, so
on social media, I said what I believe to be true,
which is, if you want to buy someone's album, buy
their merch, buy into their life, go to their shows,
be entertained by them, love them, be happy for them,
Be excited that they are in a relationship, excited they're
getting married. Love everything they wear, do, eat, taste, think,
(21:49):
breathe want, sing, opine great, live your life, enjoy. If
you don't want to buy the person's work, then don't
you get to eat chocolate or vanilla. You could go
to McDonald's or Burger King. You could drink coke or
doctor pepper. Your choice, but to make it your entire personality,
(22:16):
to like be doing deep dark debates about this seems
to me insane. You know, you could have an opinion
drive by opinion.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I didn't like it great, but like people are like
badgering each other and making it their whole life and
just like getting mad about it or being mean about it.
Like it's just not that deep either way, Like my
thing was, like, I don't think about it that much.
I think she's she's talented, her lyrics are good, her
(22:45):
show was good, she worked hard. I'm happy for someone
who's in a relationship and happy, and I definitely want
people to find love. I think that's the ultimate inspirational act,
like showing other people that you're finding true love and
not with ulterior motives and you name it. I think
(23:06):
it's great, okay to have a whole dating concept. But
the mainstream media wrote it about this post I did,
and totally like clickbait manipulated people like clickbait false information,
(23:28):
and I've seen that before, but like so stupidly egregious
where none of this matters, there are no stakes to it.
So I basically said, but I just said to you,
but what the mainstream media put all over headlights is
that I came after Taylor Swift's fans telling them to
get a hobby for being passionate about Taylor Swift. That
(23:49):
is not true. That is not what I said. I
swung the pendulum both ways, and you can like me
or hey me. I don't care, and I would tell
you if I did say that, I wouldn't care. But
I didn't say that at all. And I bring this
up because the mainstream media is so dangerous because it
doesn't matter what I think about an album that I
(24:11):
wouldn't have even known about, would it not for the
psychos that are like debating and badgering and trolling and
bulling each other over it. But what does matter is
when you are voting for education, military, the economy made,
(24:32):
you know, philanthropy, relief work, like how a company works
and what you're going to do with your children based
on what they eat, how you sleep, medicine, how you live,
what you buy. That's when it gets irresponsible. So for
a headline to indicate that I said something that I
absolutely didn't, it's not dangerous, but it is dangerous in
(24:54):
what it means. It means I'm certainly not the I'm
not the exception. I'm not the one time that the
media decided to like clickbait saying something that's not true
at all. And I find that to be really egregious
and dangerous because I find that people, many people don't
read the newspaper and don't watch the news many people,
(25:17):
most people, if they even watch any news information on
social media, they get most of their news and information
from snippets. It just like flashes by. It's like subliminal advertising.
There's so many things I see on social media. I
don't even really realize I saw it, just like I
was scrolling through and I know more than I even
know that I know, and I didn't see anything about it.
(25:39):
Meaning I know what dances were like and what costumes
people wore on Dancing with the Stars. I know that
they caught the arsonists like for the California fires, but
I didn't see that in the news.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
It was just like a flash drive by.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I know about clogs that are viral and sandwiches that
are popular because.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Of just like a quick snippet.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So it's very dangerous when we are watching mainstream media
through these clickbait sound bites and like believing it to
be true.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I think it's really reckless.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I think there has to be a level of accuracy
to headlines. You can't manipulate and misinform people with clickbait headlines.
There has to be some guardrails to that. I just
think it's wildly irresponsible.
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Bethenny Frankel
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