Jim Cramer

On getting rich and being in the public eye.

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
I am a natural food chef. I went to culinary
school for Food and Healing in New York around two
thousand one, and I went to a school that's no
longer there. I didn't realize that, but it's called natural Gourmet.
It wasn't really all vegetarian. There was a week of
meat and chicken, but it was largely vegetarian and health
conscious cooking for people who have food allergies, food intolerances, diabetes,

(00:37):
cancer prevention foods. This was way ahead of its time too.
Back in the day, I was very interested in food
and healing, long before the world of plant based foods
and everything being organic and being a natural food chef,
long before wheat egg and dairy free and gluten free
and celiac. That was not really a conversation back then

(01:01):
at all. Soy milk was an alternative and that was
really it, and some people would eat tofu. But this
world of beyond and impossible burgers and plant based foods
has really grown exponentially. Anyway, back then, I ate raw
for a year, which is also very advanced. Being eating
raw doesn't mean like eating raw meat and chicken, although
some crazy people do that. It means a raw food

(01:22):
diet where nothing is cooked over a hundred and I
think it's like eight eight degrees. People differ on the degrees.
People cook foods in a dehydrator specific type ovens to
non cook these foods, people soak grains so then you
can eat them. They're soft enough to eat. And it's
raw nuts, not roasted nuts, and it's um, it's live,

(01:45):
and it makes sense to me like they're live foods.
But once you come off of a juice cleans or
juice fast, you're supposed to start and break your fast,
which is as important as the fast itself with live foods,
And to me, it makes sense when you cook for
your kids, if you're making broccoli, you'd rather be fresh.
It's as close to alive as possible. And then if

(02:05):
you flash steam it and it's still bright green versus
being like mushy and gray green like when we were kids,
it seems to me that it makes sense that it's
more alive with nutrients. And the same thing like I
never understand why someone would grill romaine, lettuce or peaches.
It's just like a natural live fruit. So I cringe
when I see people grill lettuce. I cringe myse people,
grilled peaches. You can go on and on, and it's

(02:28):
not that easy to always eat a row foods diet.
But I did it for like a year, and I'm
very knowledgeable about this, so probably about twice a year. Definitely,
once I'll just feel a little sluggish. I may not
be sleeping well, my skin like, it's not about breaking out,
but it may just feel little dull, not alive, and
I'll do a cleanse, a juice cleanse, which I just did,
and I will definitely do another rant on that, because

(02:51):
I know you're gonna want to hear about my juice
cleans and detoxing um. But I did a juice cleanse,
and then I often, after the juice cleans, decide to
go vegan, but not in an obsessive way where if
there was chicken broth in some food soup based I
would freak out. I'm just not that obsessive about that
type of stuff. But I'll do vegan to see how

(03:12):
it makes me feel. And I don't really do a
lot of dairy, so even in the morning, if I'll
do almond milk or some sort of alternative milk, I
often have that tickle and that congestion and it's really irritating,
like you're blowing your nose. You wake up, your nose
is dry. I don't know if any of you know
that and have that experience. And it's not sinuses and
it's not allergies, and it's just whatever it is, and
it's maddening to me. So lens and then maybe something

(03:34):
like going vegan is an interesting thing because once you
go off a cleanse, you're almost doing like an elimination diet,
where if you add back in let's say it's steak,
and you just feel really tired or really gross and
you've been eating nothing, no animal, then you know that
maybe it's the stake. If you simply that, just initially,
just add back in. Let's pretend it's dairy and you
start to feel sniffley, then you'll kind of be able

(03:55):
to see. The point is where you do a cleanse,
it's like a blank canvas, so you can individually see
how does caffeine affect my body, How does sugar affect
my body? How does alcohol affect my body? So it's
a great way to have a blank slate to be experimental.
So I decided to quote unquote go vegan, and it
has to have been like a month now, and it

(04:16):
can be annoying. Your stomach can get like sort of
like you know, like gas paints because you're going to
a restaurant. They have nothing that's vegan except for like vegetables.
You get like a side of this vegetable, a salad.
It's redundant. You just want to be eating the New
York Strip steak, and you know you're telling everybody no butter,
which you should do anyway. Saute with olive oil. That's fine,
but I will say that you sort of feel full

(04:38):
from all this food you're reading, but not really full.
And sometimes I do the vegan quote unquote junk food thing,
like the frozen faux wings or whatever. If there's a
food that's not like from the earth and not natural
and is an ingredients, you can pronounce it's junk food
even if it's vegetarian, even if it's vegan. But I
really wanted to stick to it, so I said, Paul,

(05:00):
I've been doing this for three weeks, and you tell
me if there's anything different, because there's a steak on
this menu and I want to buy there's lobster and
bacon and blue cheese and avocado and egg on that
lobster cob that I'm crying over. So somebody needs to
tell me something besides that I'm not congested, which I
haven't been too so I don't you know, So I
just stay on this thing whatever. This thing isn't forever

(05:20):
how long? And I love animals, and I wish I
could say it's only about the animals, but and it
really is, because I get freaked out when I see
when I just think about the animals, and the dairy
is supposed to be even worse. And that's sort of
a more humane conversation for another time. And I do
think about that, and then the hypocrisy because I do
have leather, and so there's a whole conflict with that
whole conversation, and we can have that conversation for another

(05:42):
day also, But as far as I like not having
the congestion, and Paul said, skin looks really good, and
now I have good skin, I don't break out, but
he's like, I don't know, it just looks like more alive,
you look more youthful, You just look fresh. And he
said it to me a couple of times on FaceTime
from Boston, like you look young right now, and someone
else said that to me. Now, I've also been sleeping
very well lately, but I think that's also as a

(06:03):
result of this. I wasn't in the beginning, but now
I'm kidding my stride and I'm having very deep, clean sleep.
Imagine if I also didn't drink alcohol, which definitely hasn't
been happening, but not been drinking a ton. So today
I get my makeup done by my makeup artist because
I had day oppressed, and he says, your skin is amazing.
I'm like, well, I had a facial last week. He's like, yeah,
but you always you know, I've seen you before since

(06:25):
you had a facial. So he said, no, what's going on.
You didn't change your skin products. I'm like, no, not
at all. He said it must be the vegan thing.
So I have to say, if the animal cruelty thing
is not your motivation, maybe think about trying it just
for decongestion. Skin, sleep youthfulness sort of makes you think
more about drinking water. So I'm kind of I'm gonna

(06:48):
keep documenting how I feel. What do you think have
you ever thought about a vegan lifestyle? My guest today
is Jim Kramer, host of Mad Money on CNBC, where
he helps viewers navigate the confusing world of Wall Street investing.

(07:09):
He's a former hedge fund manager, as well as an
author and a co founder of the street dot Com. Today,
we talk about why you need to embrace low points
to grow, the importance of taking a break for joyous creativity,
how you need to be relentless when starting your business,
and why getting comfortable with projection helps you succeed. I
love talking with Jim, and I think you're gonna love

(07:30):
this episode. He is very interesting, very unique, and he
has a lot to say. Hi, Hi, how are you good? Okay,
So how's your day today? I mean, just its jordinary

(07:51):
because it's joted. Last night at this U mere our
restaurant where I was dining with some friends, and I
got very, very exciting because ever real lies. I am
now two days from vacation, my first vacation of the year,
and I am so excited because we all need time
off if we're gonna do great. A lot of people

(08:11):
feel like the secret is to never take vacation totally wrong,
and you must you if you believe in that, you
must you must agree with me because there's a lot
of strivers self made thousand aires want to be self
made millionaires like you who think that the secret is
never taking time off. It's just the opposite. By the way,
it's so funny that you say that, because I always

(08:32):
say when you relax and you sit back and you retreat,
that's when the good ideas come. Like when you give
yourself a space, that's when you declutter your mind and
you get the good ideas. This is so, and I'll
tell you something else. But then I am absolutely convinced
that the week before you go on vacation is the
week when you start questioning your self existent should I

(08:53):
be doing this? Am I doing the right thing? I'm
really tired of what I'm doing. No, you're tired of
being tired that who you are, and you will be
so fired up that you will do the best stuff
you've ever done. Well. I heard that Serena Williams said
that to her husband because she used the metaphor about
being a professional athlete that you need to let your
muscles rest in order to perform. So for someone like you,

(09:15):
who's on all the time and so high energy and
has to be analytical and in the weeds. You literally
have to be in the weeds. But I would imagine
you some you have to take yourself out to get
the macro perspective. You're in the micro perspective with individual
stocks and investments, but then don't you have to get
to the macro perspective of the state of the world
and what trends are and the highs and the lows.

(09:36):
I think that when I step aside from the day
to day grind, I find out what's going on away
from me in a way that is joyous. I mean,
we will probably be talking. I can envision being with
my fabulous mother and father in law and then asking
me about what I think about Biden and the environment,

(09:57):
and I will say I don't know. I mean, I'll
tell you this box of so and so, no being
saving trees, getting the ocean clean. Things I really care
about that I don't think about because they seem to
not be important to my day to day but are
so important to the earth and you and I know
we have to do something about. My question is what

(10:17):
is your personal relationship to money, Like growing up, how
did you financially grow up? Did you have money noise anxieties?
Your parents have money, noise, anxiety. They's still a work ethic.
You have to make money and be successful. What is
your background and relationship with money? I think there was
a clock. It was one of those old fashioned clocks,

(10:39):
little rounded thing was on the bureau in my parents bed,
and it was a war zone. It was a war
zone because there was a ten underneath it or five.
My father, when he left the five knew that he
couldn't make ends. Me and my mom would have to
buy chop sterling for every night, or hot dogs. The
ten meant that we could have steak in chicken. In

(11:00):
the battle over the five versus the ten was horrendous.
One every day we heard it. It depressed us, but
we realized what it was about. It was about my
father coming home having sold no boxes and bags. He
was selling, He sold games, he sold carpet, then he
sold boxes and bags for retailers. And when he came

(11:21):
home and went right into his bedroom and slammed the door,
my mother would say, go do your homework, and we
would say what happened, and she would just say, go
do your homework. And that meant that my father had
no sales. And when we watched Death of a salesman
as a family with late v Jacob. It was embarrassing

(11:43):
because he had the same route that my father had,
the exact same route, and just to be shut out,
to come home and have nothing that day, nothing to
bring home the five star Philadelphia bulletin, but no worders
meant the five er was gonna be underneath the clock
and the war would start again and again and again. Wow.

(12:05):
So that's like real serious motivation. So you kind of
had no choice but to go make money. You're in
a figure out a way. I said, that's it. I
am not gonna let this happen to me. I have
a single minded goal to be rich. The point that
my mother was repulsed. My mother, mother was dying of
cancer in she said, who have you? What have you become?

(12:29):
You're an artist, you were a writer. Who are you?
Who are you at Goldman Sex? Who are you to
talk about how much money you made at the dinner table?
What's happened to you? And I said, Mom, I'm not
fighting over the five or ten. I don't want to
fight over the five or ten. Wow. So but so
so many people want to be rich. So you went

(12:51):
to a good school, You went to Harvard, So you
were smart. So somebody wants to be rich, how do
you tell people to go do it? And I don't
mean what you do for a living, but is the
mindset and the journey and the approach. All right? My
father was a salesman, and I said, I want to
get rich. I had lived in my car. That was
an unfortunate time when I was a homicide reporter. We

(13:13):
can go there, but where I really realized I need
to get rich. But I I envisioned myself on a
trading desk initially when I went to Goldman Sacks after
Harvard Law. And then I realized, now I'm gonna be
like my dad. I'm gonna be a salesperson, but I'm
gonna be successful as a salesperson. Not to show my
dad was still alive. It was still alive at the

(13:34):
time that he didn't know what he was doing. But
to show him that he put me on the right path.
I just figured out how to do it. I read
every one of those books about how to be a salesperson,
every one of those those seal belt books, and they
just told you how to have confidence. I've had Deale
Carnegie for having say, um, I how to have confidence,
how to cold call, how to not be rejected, how

(13:56):
to not feel rejected, how to make it so that
when you said absolutely not, that meant maybe. Um. And
then I taught sales at Goldman and sales is being relentless. Uh.
There was a character Bud Fox in movie Wall Street.
The person who did the movie interviewed me extensively. I
brought flowers to the secretaries who were the gatekeepers. I

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endlessly flattered people when I found out their birthdays. I
was relentless. You could not turn me down, and I
got the order. So it was all about getting the order.
And then later on I taught it, and then I managed.
I managed the money because I had knocked on enough doors.
And then you know, when I saw I would go
to town small towns, uh binghamton Um, you know, towns

(14:43):
like Chemung, Chamung County where you know, you know, because
where Mark Twain lived, and I would go and look
at the obituaries in the local paper, see who died,
who might have been wealthy, and wait a few weeks
and then called wow to manage the money. Here's what's interesting,

(15:09):
because I talked about this so much. Here for people
who want to figure their way out. What's interesting is
that every person who's successful, no one's bringing up bells
and whistles or new things or Instagram or filters or
any bullshit. Everybody brings up old school hard work. You're
talking about Dale Carnegie. You're talking about stuff that fifty

(15:31):
years ago. If you if your dad had taken five
courses and done sales in a different way, he would
have been rich. So you're taught. Everybody. Everybody has these
tools that you're talking about, which are just set yourself
up for success. And what I always say is everybody's accessible.
You can find a way to get to somebody. It's
the way that you do it. If you're talking about
the flowers the birthday for me, it was cookies. For me,

(15:51):
it's connecting, follow up email, finding way in through the garage.
So I like what you're saying because it's comforting two people,
and to me to tell people you could be sixty
five and be successful. Now. You don't have to be
a young kid who's a gen Z or a millennial
that you knows all these tricks, because tricks will not
make you. Tricks might get you in the door, Tricks

(16:12):
might be getting on TV. But you will not be
really successful unless you have these old school principles. So
I appreciate you saying that, because that's what people need
to hear, and it's the truth. But then you've come
up with things brilliant, things skinny, brilliant, but it's an
extension of how hard you were. It was not something

(16:34):
that you woke up and said, I've got it, Eureka.
How many Mark Circer works other I don't even if
you want to be Mark Circer wroop, although I found
a lighter side of them. Believe it or not, it
is absolutely great to be a SANBC disruptor where you
have come up with something that basically makes something else
just say irrelevant, obsoleted. But how about just getting up

(16:55):
really early, setting the alarm early, practicing, looking in the
mirror about how you're going to handle the jetten, and
just doing it with a smile, Start on the thirty
floor of a thirty story building, and knock on every
door that had anything like equity, anything like lt D.
I didn't invent a thing, you executed. You executed. You

(17:16):
brought up Mark Zuckerberg. And let's pretend that the wink
of us twins did have that idea, why the way
I live next door to me that they're really nice,
but they didn't execute the way he did. He's Mark Zuckerberg.
So like the Skinny Girl MARGARITEA was a great idea,
don't get it twisted. It was a great idea, but
it was the execution. Five. If I gave that idea away,
who cares? It was the execution. I almost failed fifty times.

(17:38):
We didn't have glass, we didn't have a gove like.
It was a pain in the ass, but I had
to just jam it through. Like you're talking, I didn't stop.
I was relentless. So you're talking about old school principles.
It wasn't that I had the best graphic designer to
put up a post. We didn't even post then. So
that's interesting. So you're, um, you've obviously had successes and

(17:58):
you've definitely had failures. So what has been your biggest
success and your biggest failure, your biggest hit, and your
biggest shame in your career? Okay, that's good, that's good.
My biggest failure in life. I remember Karen asking me
what was my worldview? Uh? And I didn't know what
worldview meant? And she said, idiot, what do you think

(18:21):
is gonna happen over the six and nine months? I said,
how do I know? She just watch your job, got
envision and then you can pick stocks for six to
nine months. But if you don't have a world view,
you're clueless. I don't want to deal with someone clueless.
And she used to leave me things in research, like
page twenty nine. It would say, meet me at uh

(18:42):
Texarcana tonight. Well, you know, when you're young and in love,
it's dying. Oh white wow. But you had the capability
to listen to know what you didn't know. In business,
you need to know what you know and know what
you don't know. I mean, there's so much that I
don't know, and I don't know that I have a
big world view either. I know what I know, but
I look around for other people. I just do what

(19:03):
I know. Are you secretive about your own personal investments? Like?
Do you? In other words? You know when I was
a kid, I grew up at the race track, and
if I because I had had a family of horse trainers,
and if I would go up to the betting window,
people would want to bet when I was betting, so
and that's a responsibility and obviously you're telling people, but
are there's some things you keep for yourself because they're
risky or you don't want to tell people. Are you

(19:25):
totally transparent about how you're investing? How does that work?
I'm totally transparent because I'm not allowed to invest. I
can't own anything, so yeah, I mean you're not allowed
to invest in anything. Personally. I never, I've never thought
of that. Sorry if that makes me stupid, I literally
know it's okay. Most people think that I'm secretly investing.
If you don't listen to John Stewart, you thought I
was secretly, Oh no, I literally never. I don't know

(19:48):
this world that openly. And when I buy a house,
I tell people, and you know, I am happy to
tell people because I'd like to think that I know
what's right. But I don't want anyone think that I
take advantage of my show to make any so I
don't earn anything. Well, this is fascinating. You think you
would have made more money in the market or in
television if if you had, if they were, you know,

(20:09):
too much more money in there. That's what I think.
That's so interesting. Never be able to even come nearer
but I used to make every year. Then why did you?
Why do you love doing the television so much? If
it's got so much risk, personal, public scrutiny, risk, and
you wanted to be rich that was your goal. That's
so interesting to make. I got rich. I got to
where I had. I promised my mom on a deathbed

(20:31):
that when I got there, i'd stopped and go be
an artist, Go be a writer. And I write every night.
I write about seven thousand words at night. I do it.
My mom would have loved it. She would have said, Jimmy,
Jimmy got to where he had to go with the money,
and he went back to who he really was, which
was an entertainer who tries to get people to own
stocks and learn how to do it. I fulfilled my

(20:53):
father's vision of making a killing, and then I fulfilled
my mother's vision of once I had made the killing,
of doing something good, given money away, being really societal
and trying to change things. At this point, it's E S.
G is holding feet c CEOs to the fire. What
are you doing about the environment, What are you doing
for quality? What are you doing from inclusion? So I've

(21:14):
satisfied both my mom. Okay, do you still get nervous
about things you're telling people to invest in and like
the roses and the thorns, like the things that are
gonna work at aren't And what percentage? What percentage do
you right and wrong? Well, you know, I have taken
big themes, and my biggest theme is I created an
acronym called fang and I have urged everyone since Facebook

(21:37):
came public and went to eighteen to own Facebook, tone
Amazon for since I don't know, for seventeen years, to
own Netflix when I first watched Netflix and it was
just gets tone. Google the day came public at eighty
eight to recommend Apple a five. And those are my
core principal stocks. And I returned to them and returned

(21:58):
to them, and people say they're boring, Jim, That's all
you do is return to them. I say, go to
hell the right and then periodically all of others like
in video that really are terrific, and then I'll make
forward right now. Then I'll make a lot of mistakes.
But the fact is is that my core stocks, Uh,
if you bet against me, you were crushed always the
little people on Twitter, so oh, I took the other
side of a Kramer said their chowder heads and sunshine nothings,

(22:22):
And I don't mind calling them out because I'm from
Philadelphia and I just don't care. I come right back
at you, just like everybody in Philly. We come right
back at you. So don't you dare come into our zone?
Don't you dare? Is your investment style, if your personal
investments that would be conservative or aggressive? Oh? Conservative? I
mean I'm I I think that give it my age.

(22:45):
I can't afford to be aggressive anymore. It's too risky.
I got a wife, I've got kids, I've got responsibilities.
I don't want them. I don't want to make it
so that they have so much money that they don't
they don't look. I want them to fight over the
fifth year of the hundred, over the under the clock,
not the five or the ten. But I want them
all to work hard, and I want them all to

(23:06):
to realize and get the pride of work. But I
also meant at the age where it would really be silly.
As I used to tell people at Goldman Sacks, you
only need to get rich ones. That's so true. And
where where are you on shorting stocks in your mind?
Like as a principle, is that don't is that that
in the don't pass line? I mean, look at this
game stop. If you had shorted that, you wiped out AMC.

(23:29):
Now now it's shorting is too risky for for the
people who who watched my show, But what about just
any person? Just no, you're not a fan of shorting
stocks because it's unlimited losses and it's arrogance to some degree.
You think you're smart in the market, and there are
things obviously that are frauds, but you better have your
your you better really have it down. And for my audience,

(23:49):
that's too hard. It's not fair. Okay, what percentage are
you lucky? We're percentage smart? Well, first of all, it's
better to be lucky than good. Okay, but what are you? Oprah?
Once they asked me to come on her show and
talk about how lucky it was. And I get up
between three thirty four every day to study, and I
studied to a webin at night in between shows. I

(24:13):
do it so I can be better than everybody else.
I can't always, but my homework is my craft, and
my craft gives me confidence, and my confidence makes me
be a lot more right than well, it's amazing and
people must come up to you on the street forgetting
just being famous, telling you their personal stories about I
invested this in this and I bought a house or
love it, Oh you do love it. It It happens a

(24:34):
lot right up to me last night at dinner saying
that she had basically I made a ton of money
watching watching the show, wanted to thank me, and it's
very grateful. Just had done quite well in life by
watching the show, and I was thrilled. I get a
lot more of those, and I get people who like
the people who hide beyond whatever silly moniker they have

(24:57):
on Twitter, who say I am an idiot because I
recommended Apple and I went from one. So yeah, I'm
proud of that. I've made a lot of people out
of money. And you could say, well, it's anecdotal, but
after sixteen years it's empirical, or I wouldn't be one
right in the hook. No one's been able to really
duplicate it, which is really interesting because everything is a remix.

(25:20):
So what is your personal family life like and how
do you try to be present in that and be
so connected to what you're doing, and how does it
all fit have a split family. I think it's been
as good as it can be. Obviously, nobody gets married
to get divorced. We all went together to St. Lucian

(25:40):
for Christmas vacation. I had a great time my ex wife,
my wife, her ex husband, their kids, my kids, they're
significant others, and it was an amazing time, a time
where we do things together. This is our third time
doing it. And uh, you want everyone to get along.

(26:01):
You can't always because obviously there were reasons why you
got divorced. But I would say one of my four
or five best friends is my wife's ex husband. Wow,
that's nice. I think he's a sensational guy. Bill. Oh,
you're current your's your second marriage and your current wife's
ex husband. And so you're good at blending. You're good

(26:22):
at blending, you're good at into personal relationships. It sounds well, yeah,
how can you not be? Bill is fantastic, And um,
I remember our we had a we had at our wedding.
My sister said, look at those two. Those two are
having the greatest time. I want to meet them. I've
never seen my sol. I'll bring him over. And she
said to Bill, she said, wow, you are having the

(26:43):
best time. What's your relation? Why are you here? And
Bill said, oh, I'm the d my boy. That's my
ex wife out there. And my sister said, you're at
your ex wife wedding and he said, I wouldn't miss
it for the world. That's beautiful. So you're doing something right.

(27:03):
How much to their kids love that. I'm hoping to
go voting with him this weekend. I just got my
wife and new whaler. Uh we go out Father's Day
for our son, who loves that. I do call him
our I know he's my stepson, but I love him
to death. I love his sister to death. They are
the greatest. They treat me so well. It always gives

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me puts me a smile on my face. I want
my kids. You know my kids are you know, they're
not as as contibual. Um, but they had a great
time on the on the trip, and I own a
couple of restaurants and they both like to go by
the restaurants, which is fantastic. But my my oldest teaches
English and Madrid, so you don't get to see him
nearly as much as i'd like. Well, um, I've had

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many different people on here that are very successful. Well,
the metric here or the sort of filter is to
have started from the bottom and be here in your
own non traditional way. Uh. And I'm really proud of
the people because it's like I've kept it really tight.
I want like people with stories like yours. But I
also ask these very successful people who are often married

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or in relationships with other successful people. So we talk
about successful relationships. So just because your divorce doesn't mean
you're not you know, you don't have to have a
successful relationship. So what does a successful relationship require? Does
it require along leash? Does it require total acceptance? Does
it require Uh? If it's important to you, it's important
to me. What are your what's your prescription for that?

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If you have one? Obviously that's in love. But there's
that goes without saying space space age. I never sold
my house, She never sold her house. Monday nights and
Thursday nights are nights with my kids or with my
butts always since the day we met? Interesting and when
was that? How long ago is that? To this? Five? Okay?

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He Um is with her girlfriends. She has her group.
I love them. I have my group, she loves them.
But I have my time and she has her time.
We are never on top of each other. We are
people who give the other person the opportunity to lead
their lives as they were before, as they always wanted.

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And when you take that out of the equation, they're like, hey,
I don't get to spend any time X or go
to the ball game. Why your love life is is
enhanced from mattath Okay, I want to say something to you.
This is the secret that no one talks about. This
is the secret that no one's telling young people getting
married because I'm now asking every person on here who's

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successful and has a major career, So that makes it
more challenging because they're divided. And I'm telling you this
this long leash and space concept where there are different quadrants.
So I'm with my daughter, then I'm with my fiance alone,
then we're all together with all the kids, and then
he's buying himself with his Like there's quadrants and it's

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a dirty secret that no one wants to say. People
need space because when you get together, you become one person.
You're almost codependent. What are we doing? What are we
doing for dinner? What are we doing this weekend? And
you feel like it's wrong if you don't want to
do something, and you want the other person to be
what you want them to be. I'm if you're with
somebody who's the boring one and you're the crazy one,
you look at them like, why are you boring? I

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can go find excitement on my own, with my own
other quadrants. So what you're saying is super important and
no one talks about it. My wife loves to go
to Quog little town, uh long On and I garden there.
I love it. It's terrific. I love the Philadelphia Eagles,
you know what I mean. I just love them like always.

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I mean, it doesn't matter. And I go to those
games and no one's gonna stop me. I never missed
the game. She gets to go to Quog. I get
to go to my games. I love it when she goes.
But if she doesn't, I understand. And I'm with my
I'm with my friends, and that space is so important.
Everyone told me i'd sell my house. Everyone told her

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she she would sell her house. We kept our houses.
We know where to go and we have I mean, look,
everyone's going to say, well, this is ridiculous, but it's true.
We don't fight. Well no, but Jamie, uh Jamie Simonov
who created the ring told me they don't think about
the optics of their relationship. They don't think about what

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it's supposed to be, whether she's traveling, he's traveling. So
that's what you're saying. So I literally, I'm going to
write this whole recipe book on this successful relationship thing
because I think I'm onto something here. I'm learning so
much and it's all different. It's as non traditional as
the way that you came up in business and as
how you make your limits. Oh, you have to do it.
I cannot wait to see my wife on Tuesday night.

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I don't get to see your mind tonight. But if
she ground you, if she ground you into being with her,
you would not feel that same way. It would feel
like an albatross. And I get what you're saying completely.
So I love this. This is good. This is amazing.
Take away. We went to a dinner uh and Mark
Bennie Ops. It was a terrific businessman built salesforce. Uh.

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It was late lunch and we had to go around
the room and it was all his board and a
lot of famous people including say Tony Robbins was there,
you know. I mean, guys, it's more people, and they
went around the room and had to say what they were,
and uh, they we're all, I mean, there wasn't this
person that wasn't a Titan. And they get to my
wife and my wife says, I'm the CEO of this

(32:33):
guy and she points to me. Brought the house down,
but true, he's the CEO of me. And she pencils
me in to be with friends on Monday night and
Thursday night. Fascinating. You're amazing. We've had some great people
on here, you Hallary Clinton, Chelsea Handler, Matthew McConaughey. People show.

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I mean, it's blowout. So I'm honored to be in
your show. It's just total blowout. Thank you. I know.
I'm trying to keep it like lean and and on
brand And if you know anybody who you think is
should appropriate to be on the show. You know, we've
even had but it's not all famous people. We've had
the guy from General Catalyst, people that you would know
of that other people wouldn't know. The guy who created Kind,

(33:17):
Daniel Lebski, so, oh my god. Kind. The CFO was
that we hand the department. Uh, my wife lost real
estate and the CFO was from Kind and I said,
pay let us, please, let them pay us in kind.
I want stock and said, no, you don't do that,
it's real estate. I didn't know. I want chair, so
I want points in kind. She said, Now he really

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doesn't want to do that. What a company? Crazy? But
I mean crazy. So if you know anybody, throw them
over here. If you've somebody who's start, you know, I'm
molling right now. I know what you mean. Titans like
you just said, tighten your shows about people having within
themselves success well, and and everybody likes coming on here

(33:59):
because I don't. I'm not asking you to talk. You
can talk whatever you want. I'm not asking about scandal.
I'm not trying to got you. I want to understand
who you are, how you did it, how you think,
what your father said, what your mother said, which you
really It's just a real conversation. So I'm obsessed with this.
I love it. So if you think of anybody, let
me know. But you were amazing and your time is
obviously so valuable, and I hope you have the best vacation. Well,

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thank you for coming on and have the best time
on your vacation, and say hello to your family the best.
Thank you so much. Awesome, great, that was Jim Kramer.
That was interesting, that was different, That was telling I
love guests who are willing to completely reveal themselves, tell

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personal information, insight just to help you. I thought it
was really a special conversation. And I just every day
I learned something here and I just sit down, I'm like,
all right, what's this conversation going to actually be like?
And then it goes on this journey and I end
up really becoming alive and just electrifi. So it always

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motivates my day to have his awesome conversations. Thank you
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