December 3, 2025 • 12 mins
She who makes the gold makes the rules—Just ask Jennifer Aniston. PS: Please find out if Jennifer used to hang out at Soup Plantation!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Another thing about work.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Partnerships, lawyers, agents, real estate agents, contractors, designers, construction.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Admit what you don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I run into so many business problems because people are
so either insecure or paranoid or think they're going to
get fired or in fear and have to prove that
they know everything, that they act like they know everything,
like you're doing a deal and they just have answers
for everything. You're doing this, and they have answers for everything.
You're traveling somewhere. They have to act like they know everything.
You're designing something. Nobody knows everything, and don't ever assume
(00:48):
anyone's smarter than you. And I like to be surrounded
by people, whether it's the president of my company, an
agent or representative, a doctor, that will say what they
don't know. Of course they should know many things, but
they will say what they don't know. A lawyer like I, listen,
I haven't seen this before. We will figure it out together.
I don't exactly understand this, what do you think? Or
(01:09):
let's all crowdsource and I'll be then we can have
a workshop and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Because most times I'll be like, right, listen, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Call three people, and it could literally be I'm calling
Mark Cuban, I'm calling this big powerhouse, I'm calling Steve Cohen,
I'm calling you know some of my powerhouse women that
I know, and I'm gonna ask and I'm in a
crowdsource and I'll get back to you and we're gonna
figure it out. Or I'm gonna call this lawyer, or
I'm gonna call this class action lawyer, or i'm gonna
call this one. I'm gonna call this intellectual property. I'll
fucking figure it out. If you don't know, you better
(01:37):
act somebody, Okay, do not act like you know everything.
It's immature, it's insecure, and it's for losers. And as
we get into dating sometimes this guy was this guy
on social who gives dating advice. He basically text his
own back immediately and said like, I'm not gonna play
games and I'm gonna text you back right away because
of blah blah blah. And I put in his comments.
(01:57):
I was like, dude, you don't need to say all that.
You need to be all that. Like if someone texts
you in a weird way and they are not responsive
or they seem like it could take like twenty four hours,
Like I had a guy that had his cadences to
text and then like you won't hear from him again.
You'll respond, you may not hear from him for twenty
four hours, could be eight hours, could be the next day,
and they'll.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Be like, oh, hey, sorry, was that my kids? Whatever?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's like, really, you don't have fingers. You're a successful person.
I know how successful youyre, because it wouldn't be fucking
going out with you if you weren't successful. But you
don't have fingers in a telephone. Like fuck, you're a
fucking loser.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So I don't care. I dismiss those people because they're
fucking losers.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I text back right away because I'm a grown
ass woman who text back right away. I'm not gonna
go if you go jump off a bridge, I'm not
jumping off if you go after a moron, I'm not
acting like a moron. A text right away because I'm
secure and I'm a grown ass woman, and obviously we'll
get to where we need to get to. Meaning if
I text right away and you go every time four days,
you're never gonna hear from me again anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And I'm like, yeah, anybody got time for this. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And again this is because this person is used to
dealing with thirty five year olds. We've talked about that before.
So here's what goes on with the thirty five year
old or the young women. And here's what goes on
why women need to work for their own money. Why
you need to have financial independence. I don't give a
shit about any of you that are going to be
like it's a valuable job to be a stay at
(03:16):
home mom, because it is.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I know that. I agree with that. It's not just
a lie.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It is harder to be a mom and manage multiple
children than it is to work and be an entrepreneur.
I know all that. All this is true. It is gnarly,
it is hardcore. It is a dance. It is organizational hell.
It is insufferable. It's very difficult to run a household,
to cook, to clean, to have children, to do the costumes,
(03:41):
to do it all, to be a wife, to have
sex look good, asked and answered. And it's not just
a pat like bullshit check the box thing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I know that. Here's what I also know.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Women need to be financially independent so they have options.
Something goes sideway. Someone dies as you were married to
was lying to you about your finances, or you're just
not good at them and you didn't understand them. Somebody
loses their jobs, someone gets hit by a car, something happens,
God forbid, there's a medical issue, and you guys need fine,
you need money, and it's not enough because you weren't
(04:14):
planning for this. Something happens, somebody gets arrested. You need
to defend them. Things happen in life that costs money
that you didn't plan for. If I've done ten renovations
and I know that every single one had unforeseen costs
in something that was locked in life has unforseeable costs,
So you must plan for a disaster.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
But guess what else? Guess what else?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
If you're dating and you don't have money, and you
see the shiny objects and you hear about a great guy.
He's super rich, he's a prince, he's a mogul, he's
a finance guy.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
He's just rich. He's a doctor, he's got a nice car. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It changes the way you act when you feel like
they're running the show because they've got the money. Because
guess what, he or she who makes the gold makes
the rules. You gotta really understand this is for the
moms that have the young daughters, and this is for
the young daughters. He who makes the gold makes the rules.
And there's a dynamic because I see it all the
time with the girls, like panting and waiting around for
(05:14):
the gift. I just heard from someone the other day
that said, like the girl would like every time they
were going on a date, tell the guy to meet
her a store so he could buy her stuff. Like
girls are like gasping and guess what else I've been
the girl, the broke girl hoping not only that someone
would pay the bill, that someone would buy me something.
I'm in a store, you're sort of hinting, you're sort
of hoping, you're sort of looking, and you feel like
(05:34):
a desperado. And they can feel it and they know it,
and it gives them the power. And then it gives
them the power in the dating dynamic. With the texting,
you're texting back more often and they don't have to
because they have the power.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They're the ones running the show.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
They can tell you to be ready in an hour
or tomorrow, or where they're going or where we're going
on vacation. Why because they run the fucking show, and
there's a power struggle, and it ends up being resentment
on all sides. The guy doesn't resent the girl because
he doesn't respect the fact that he just says, bark
and you bark, sit and you sit, run and you run.
And it also becomes boring because the guy wants somebody
to talk to. And if your whole identity is just
(06:10):
buying shit and you sit with the girls and talk
about recipes and shopping, it gets real boring, real fast.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So be a woman who.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Has your own money, and guess what, don't spend it.
If you fucking think that with any of the men
that I date, I spend money on the date or
on the things, you're gravely mistaken. But guess what, I
don't need them for the things, and I can buy
anything I want. And because of that, I don't want anything,
because I know I can. Half the thing is when
you can't afford it, you kind of want someone else
to get it for you. When you have the money
(06:39):
and you can afford it, you really don't give a shit.
As I've said sixty five times, I've gotten rid of
like seventy percent of my stuff. I buy shoes on
fucking Amazon and then give them to the person that's
like you know, at the hotel because I no longer
need the flex of the super expensive things to make
me feel secure, So I definitely don't need anybody else
to buy me the shit. Once you have your own money,
you can afford it.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You calm down.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's like the money noise. It's like food noise, but
it's money noise. It calms down, takes a while, but
you have it. No One else is in control. So
when the rich guys that I am thinking off the
top of my head text me and they're big baller
shop callers, okay, could make your life. We're talking yachts, planes, trains, automobiles.
They will text and ask you something and then like
(07:20):
you won't hear from them for a day or two.
You'll be like, you're fucking in your mind. You're like
nobody can and they're in shock that I couldn't care less.
There's no like I'll give a one word answer because
I don't care. But I can tell you that if
I was thirty seven, broke and needed a guy for anything,
I would be panicked. I would have anxiety. I would
wonder why they're not texting me, I'd think, oh my god,
(07:42):
is this my Is this the one that's gonna take
care of me? Is this the one that's gonna save me? Well,
guess what, I saved myself. I don't need any of that.
So be that girl. And then if you decide you
want to stay at home, great, you have a skill set,
you have a nest egg, do whatever the fuck you want,
but have options. Options are always good on a menu
(08:04):
on a vacation, for business and for your financial security.
So I was the other day waking up and I
(08:26):
was thinking about Jennifer Aniston. There's no reason why I
was thinking about Jennifer Aniston, and how I don't know her.
I met her once for one second. She's successful, she's
an actress.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
She was married to Brad Pitt.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
She has had an extraordinary career in the sense that
she is exceptionally famous and more than other people, not
unlike me, actually in ways more than other people. On
her show, which was an iconic show, but it was
still the one show, and she hasn't had anything else
be as iconic as that show. But like she's the one,
it's more well known, and she's Jennifer Anniston, it's just
(09:03):
she's an A list star, and she's gotten to be
an a list star by wearing her hat the same
way every single time and the strapless sheath dress, and
she's got her own just like way about her. And
she has been in relationships and married and never had
a kid and is not married and is about my age.
I remember once seeing her as a struggling actress before
(09:25):
she was famous at Sue Plantation. If I ever run
into her, I'm going to just say, will you can someone?
Just can the internet just ask her? Did she use
to go to sup Plantation? Because I'm pretty sure it
was her, And she had a look like she looked
like a Hollywood actress before she was, and I always
remembered her, and like later when she became her, I
was like, I think I used to see that girl
a supe Plantation. I just need someone to ask her.
(09:48):
So I wonder if the Internet tries to impose on No,
I don't wonder. I know like she probably got to
a point in her life where she was like, I
don't think I want this anymore. If she wanted to
have kids, she could have had a kid on her own.
She didn't want to have a kid, she didn't want
to be married. And I'm finding that there are so
many women my age who it's not that they can't,
(10:10):
they don't want to, and society for different reasons. They're younger,
they don't know like, oh wow, it's weird, weird she
never had a kid, weird she never got married. It's
not weird, it's what she wanted. And also, like or
people her own age that are married, they either are
so happy they can't imagine she doesn't want what they have,
(10:32):
they're so bored they want company, or they're miserable and
they just like want to act like it's the only
thing going. And I'm not saying she's happy, and I'm
not saying she's unhappy. I'm just saying for some reason,
she came up as someone who's done it her way,
and I know that she could have gotten married and
could have had a kid. And the headline is that
like the world and the internet imposes what they think
(10:56):
people should have to be happy. And I think, I
bet she just is living the life that she wants
to live. And they are women that I meet my
age all the time that are like, I don't want
someone fucking with my peace, like I don't want it.
It's very popular for everyone to impose what they think
we should want. I'm not there yet.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I'm not saying I don't want it, but the thought
has occurred to me. The thought has occurred.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
To me, like I find myself now in the ozembic
of dating, where it's like I don't know the appaths,
I don't care. Yes, I went out with a really
nice guy on Friday, successful, beyond your wildest dreams, tall, funny,
nice whatever. Has text he wants to get together again,
but he's not frothing, just like a normal text exchange.
(11:42):
And to say that I'm not frothing, I've finally gotten
to the anti frothing stage. I don't really care. I
don't even really care if I like you do, I
not care. Like the days of like getting fixated, obsessed,
like And that's the thing that's where a lot of
people are our age. And so if there's there are
women who are dating people my age, ish, you gotta
know that the person my age doesn't really give a fuck.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
They really don't. They just don't give a fuck,
Another thing about work.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Partnerships, lawyers, agents, real estate agents, contractors, designers, construction.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Admit what you don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I run into so many business problems because people are
so either insecure or paranoid or think they're going to
get fired or in fear and have to prove that
they know everything, that they act like they know everything,
like you're doing a deal and they just have answers
for everything. You're doing this, and they have answers for everything.
You're traveling somewhere. They have to act like they know everything.
You're designing something. Nobody knows everything, and don't ever assume
(00:48):
anyone's smarter than you. And I like to be surrounded
by people, whether it's the president of my company, an
agent or representative, a doctor, that will say what they
don't know. Of course they should know many things, but
they will say what they don't know. A lawyer like I, listen,
I haven't seen this before. We will figure it out together.
I don't exactly understand this, what do you think? Or
(01:09):
let's all crowdsource and I'll be then we can have
a workshop and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Because most times I'll be like, right, listen, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Call three people, and it could literally be I'm calling
Mark Cuban, I'm calling this big powerhouse, I'm calling Steve Cohen,
I'm calling you know some of my powerhouse women that
I know, and I'm gonna ask and I'm in a
crowdsource and I'll get back to you and we're gonna
figure it out. Or I'm gonna call this lawyer, or
I'm gonna call this class action lawyer, or i'm gonna
call this one. I'm gonna call this intellectual property. I'll
fucking figure it out. If you don't know, you better
(01:37):
act somebody, Okay, do not act like you know everything.
It's immature, it's insecure, and it's for losers. And as
we get into dating sometimes this guy was this guy
on social who gives dating advice. He basically text his
own back immediately and said like, I'm not gonna play
games and I'm gonna text you back right away because
of blah blah blah. And I put in his comments.
(01:57):
I was like, dude, you don't need to say all that.
You need to be all that. Like if someone texts
you in a weird way and they are not responsive
or they seem like it could take like twenty four hours,
Like I had a guy that had his cadences to
text and then like you won't hear from him again.
You'll respond, you may not hear from him for twenty
four hours, could be eight hours, could be the next day,
and they'll.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Be like, oh, hey, sorry, was that my kids? Whatever?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's like, really, you don't have fingers. You're a successful person.
I know how successful youyre, because it wouldn't be fucking
going out with you if you weren't successful. But you
don't have fingers in a telephone. Like fuck, you're a
fucking loser.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So I don't care. I dismiss those people because they're
fucking losers.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I text back right away because I'm a grown
ass woman who text back right away. I'm not gonna
go if you go jump off a bridge, I'm not
jumping off if you go after a moron, I'm not
acting like a moron. A text right away because I'm
secure and I'm a grown ass woman, and obviously we'll
get to where we need to get to. Meaning if
I text right away and you go every time four days,
you're never gonna hear from me again anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And I'm like, yeah, anybody got time for this. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And again this is because this person is used to
dealing with thirty five year olds. We've talked about that before.
So here's what goes on with the thirty five year
old or the young women. And here's what goes on
why women need to work for their own money. Why
you need to have financial independence. I don't give a
shit about any of you that are going to be
like it's a valuable job to be a stay at
(03:16):
home mom, because it is.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I know that. I agree with that. It's not just
a lie.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It is harder to be a mom and manage multiple
children than it is to work and be an entrepreneur.
I know all that. All this is true. It is gnarly,
it is hardcore. It is a dance. It is organizational hell.
It is insufferable. It's very difficult to run a household,
to cook, to clean, to have children, to do the costumes,
(03:41):
to do it all, to be a wife, to have
sex look good, asked and answered. And it's not just
a pat like bullshit check the box thing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I know that. Here's what I also know.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Women need to be financially independent so they have options.
Something goes sideway. Someone dies as you were married to
was lying to you about your finances, or you're just
not good at them and you didn't understand them. Somebody
loses their jobs, someone gets hit by a car, something happens,
God forbid, there's a medical issue, and you guys need fine,
you need money, and it's not enough because you weren't
(04:14):
planning for this. Something happens, somebody gets arrested. You need
to defend them. Things happen in life that costs money
that you didn't plan for. If I've done ten renovations
and I know that every single one had unforeseen costs
in something that was locked in life has unforseeable costs,
So you must plan for a disaster.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
But guess what else? Guess what else?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
If you're dating and you don't have money, and you
see the shiny objects and you hear about a great guy.
He's super rich, he's a prince, he's a mogul, he's
a finance guy.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
He's just rich. He's a doctor, he's got a nice car. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It changes the way you act when you feel like
they're running the show because they've got the money. Because
guess what, he or she who makes the gold makes
the rules. You gotta really understand this is for the
moms that have the young daughters, and this is for
the young daughters. He who makes the gold makes the rules.
And there's a dynamic because I see it all the
time with the girls, like panting and waiting around for
(05:14):
the gift. I just heard from someone the other day
that said, like the girl would like every time they
were going on a date, tell the guy to meet
her a store so he could buy her stuff. Like
girls are like gasping and guess what else I've been
the girl, the broke girl hoping not only that someone
would pay the bill, that someone would buy me something.
I'm in a store, you're sort of hinting, you're sort
of hoping, you're sort of looking, and you feel like
(05:34):
a desperado. And they can feel it and they know it,
and it gives them the power. And then it gives
them the power in the dating dynamic. With the texting,
you're texting back more often and they don't have to
because they have the power.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They're the ones running the show.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
They can tell you to be ready in an hour
or tomorrow, or where they're going or where we're going
on vacation. Why because they run the fucking show, and
there's a power struggle, and it ends up being resentment
on all sides. The guy doesn't resent the girl because
he doesn't respect the fact that he just says, bark
and you bark, sit and you sit, run and you run.
And it also becomes boring because the guy wants somebody
to talk to. And if your whole identity is just
(06:10):
buying shit and you sit with the girls and talk
about recipes and shopping, it gets real boring, real fast.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So be a woman who.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Has your own money, and guess what, don't spend it.
If you fucking think that with any of the men
that I date, I spend money on the date or
on the things, you're gravely mistaken. But guess what, I
don't need them for the things, and I can buy
anything I want. And because of that, I don't want anything,
because I know I can. Half the thing is when
you can't afford it, you kind of want someone else
to get it for you. When you have the money
(06:39):
and you can afford it, you really don't give a shit.
As I've said sixty five times, I've gotten rid of
like seventy percent of my stuff. I buy shoes on
fucking Amazon and then give them to the person that's
like you know, at the hotel because I no longer
need the flex of the super expensive things to make
me feel secure, So I definitely don't need anybody else
to buy me the shit. Once you have your own money,
you can afford it.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You calm down.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's like the money noise. It's like food noise, but
it's money noise. It calms down, takes a while, but
you have it. No One else is in control. So
when the rich guys that I am thinking off the
top of my head text me and they're big baller
shop callers, okay, could make your life. We're talking yachts, planes, trains, automobiles.
They will text and ask you something and then like
(07:20):
you won't hear from them for a day or two.
You'll be like, you're fucking in your mind. You're like
nobody can and they're in shock that I couldn't care less.
There's no like I'll give a one word answer because
I don't care. But I can tell you that if
I was thirty seven, broke and needed a guy for anything,
I would be panicked. I would have anxiety. I would
wonder why they're not texting me, I'd think, oh my god,
(07:42):
is this my Is this the one that's gonna take
care of me? Is this the one that's gonna save me? Well,
guess what, I saved myself. I don't need any of that.
So be that girl. And then if you decide you
want to stay at home, great, you have a skill set,
you have a nest egg, do whatever the fuck you want,
but have options. Options are always good on a menu
(08:04):
on a vacation, for business and for your financial security.
So I was the other day waking up and I
(08:26):
was thinking about Jennifer Aniston. There's no reason why I
was thinking about Jennifer Aniston, and how I don't know her.
I met her once for one second. She's successful, she's
an actress.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
She was married to Brad Pitt.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
She has had an extraordinary career in the sense that
she is exceptionally famous and more than other people, not
unlike me, actually in ways more than other people. On
her show, which was an iconic show, but it was
still the one show, and she hasn't had anything else
be as iconic as that show. But like she's the one,
it's more well known, and she's Jennifer Anniston, it's just
(09:03):
she's an A list star, and she's gotten to be
an a list star by wearing her hat the same
way every single time and the strapless sheath dress, and
she's got her own just like way about her. And
she has been in relationships and married and never had
a kid and is not married and is about my age.
I remember once seeing her as a struggling actress before
(09:25):
she was famous at Sue Plantation. If I ever run
into her, I'm going to just say, will you can someone?
Just can the internet just ask her? Did she use
to go to sup Plantation? Because I'm pretty sure it
was her, And she had a look like she looked
like a Hollywood actress before she was, and I always
remembered her, and like later when she became her, I
was like, I think I used to see that girl
a supe Plantation. I just need someone to ask her.
(09:48):
So I wonder if the Internet tries to impose on No,
I don't wonder. I know like she probably got to
a point in her life where she was like, I
don't think I want this anymore. If she wanted to
have kids, she could have had a kid on her own.
She didn't want to have a kid, she didn't want
to be married. And I'm finding that there are so
many women my age who it's not that they can't,
(10:10):
they don't want to, and society for different reasons. They're younger,
they don't know like, oh wow, it's weird, weird she
never had a kid, weird she never got married. It's
not weird, it's what she wanted. And also, like or
people her own age that are married, they either are
so happy they can't imagine she doesn't want what they have,
(10:32):
they're so bored they want company, or they're miserable and
they just like want to act like it's the only
thing going. And I'm not saying she's happy, and I'm
not saying she's unhappy. I'm just saying for some reason,
she came up as someone who's done it her way,
and I know that she could have gotten married and
could have had a kid. And the headline is that
like the world and the internet imposes what they think
(10:56):
people should have to be happy. And I think, I
bet she just is living the life that she wants
to live. And they are women that I meet my
age all the time that are like, I don't want
someone fucking with my peace, like I don't want it.
It's very popular for everyone to impose what they think
we should want. I'm not there yet.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I'm not saying I don't want it, but the thought
has occurred to me. The thought has occurred.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
To me, like I find myself now in the ozembic
of dating, where it's like I don't know the appaths,
I don't care. Yes, I went out with a really
nice guy on Friday, successful, beyond your wildest dreams, tall, funny,
nice whatever. Has text he wants to get together again,
but he's not frothing, just like a normal text exchange.
(11:42):
And to say that I'm not frothing, I've finally gotten
to the anti frothing stage. I don't really care. I
don't even really care if I like you do, I
not care. Like the days of like getting fixated, obsessed,
like And that's the thing that's where a lot of
people are our age. And so if there's there are
women who are dating people my age, ish, you gotta
know that the person my age doesn't really give a fuck.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
They really don't. They just don't give a fuck,
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Bethenny Frankel
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