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December 11, 2025 15 mins

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Okay, so let's talk about settling. I really want to
talk about settling in relationships because I want to say
something so graciously and in a classy, respectful manner. Anytime
that I've left a relationship where it doesn't feel right

(00:34):
in my body at that time, I later thank myself
and it's gone deeper and deeper. Okay. So it could
be leaving an engagement, leaving a marriage, it could be
a number of things. But I just want to tell
you that recently I've been saying to myself, I am
so grateful for having the courage to walk away from

(00:57):
things that don't work for me. So that could be work,
That could be friendships. That could be business deals that
just crush your soul. That could be confronting a boss
or not accepting less than what you deserve. That could
be a relationship where you're just like I am doing
it's good. It could be very good. Now if it's bad,

(01:19):
that's not even a discussion. But it could be good
to very good. But if it doesn't fit feel right
in your body, you know, when you eat something it
doesn't agree with you. You may not get violently ill,
but it doesn't agree with you or you're constantly thinking
about it, you know, when you're fidgeting in an outfit
or just like you don't love it so you don't
live for it. Put it the fuck down, take it
off if you don't. If you're not, like you have
to like convince yourself and people around you. You know,

(01:40):
when you put something on, you're like, this is it?
Game over story in film at eleven. That's what a
relationship should be like. And if you're not feeling that now,
it doesn't mean that you're not gonna go through issues
and work through things, but like it has to be
coming out of your pores. How right a relationship is
for you. You have to know from the depths of
your being if a relationship is right for you, and

(02:02):
if it's not, you cannot stay because of fear your age,
you're too old, you're never gonna meet someone, or this
person is so great, or they treat you so well,
or they're rich or they're generous, or they're a doctor,
or your parents like them, or your friends like them,
or they fit in, or your kids are still home
and they're not off at college yet, or you have
a good friend group and it's gonna break up. The
friend group. All of these things do not matter. Okay

(02:24):
if you don't know, yes, it's no, because this is
the most important part of this. Once you jump, you fly,
and then you find what you really need. And if
you are stuck in the wrong thing, you're never gonna
find the right thing, and not until you find the
right thing or you're gonna say, oh my god, thank
you so much for having the courage to walk out
of something that it's harder to walk out of something

(02:46):
that's like very good because you're almost there. But we
are winners. We go all the way. We take that
ball into the end zone. We don't eat average food
mid we don't go on mid vacations. I'd rather stay
home go on a mid or shitty vacation. I'd rather
stay home than stay in a shitty room. I don't
want to go somewhere and feel grosser than I do

(03:06):
at home, Like I want to go somewhere and be elevated.
I don't want to eat out if it's not gonna
be better than but I could look at home. I
don't want that. I don't need to go to a
hip restaurant with shift food. Do it or don't. That's
part of what I was saying about my Halloween costume.
You know, like do it or don't you going to Halloween.
Let's go to the Hidi Gloon party. Let's do it,
Let's get dressed, let's turn it out, let's have fun,
and let's go home. Like that's it. I don't want

(03:28):
to do medium. I don't want mediocre. I don't want
mid in any category. Not food, not sex, not man,
not woman, not friend, not job, not travel, not experience,
not staff, not team around you. We do all stars,
we do Hall of Fame. We're not like that tipsy

(03:48):
demere trend. It's like we're not like the other girlies.
We don't do average. We don't do mid. We do elite.
We do do it or don't and do it well
or don't do it at all. So that's something that
I think is really important in relationships. I think we

(04:17):
tend to self sabotage in relationships when we're really happier,
when it's going really well, when we get scared. If
you ever started dating someone and you like them so
much that you have anxiety because you're like over your
skis and you're like having anxiety, you're sabotaging that is
a dangerous place to be, and that's a place when
you have to calm down. Take several deep breaths. Do
not text anything, Do not email anything. Write an email

(04:40):
to yourself or to the person and put it in
drafts and just save it. Do not send. You need
to wait six hours before sending because we tend to
get anxiety and want to blow things up because they're
too good. Especially if you grow up in a fucked
up house, especially if you're used to chaos is your norm,

(05:00):
it's going to be very hard for you to have
peace and be happy. There also will be situations where
you are incapable of being loved. You are not porous,
you are not open, you're not available, and that's a
hard thing to access. And also trust yourself, because if
you're not open and porous and accessible, it may be

(05:22):
because you're with the wrong person. With the right person,
you will want to open up with the right person.
You will want to check yourself because you will want
to do the work because it's so worth it, because
the stakes are so high. Like if you meet someone
that's incredible and you know they are so well matched
to you and you are so compatible, that's when you
really have to pull your shit together, and that's when

(05:43):
you have to check yourself. And that's like when you're
going to the Olympics, you're preparing for the big race,
you're preparing for you know, your college entry exams or whatever.
The most important thing is you are not fucking around.
You're not making mistakes. You're not you know, getting drunk
and doing drunk dialing or just like you know, self
destructing and doing stupid things and saying things. You're gonna

(06:05):
check yourself before you wreck yourself. When you see that
something is really good for you and could really like
change your life, you're not going to fuck it up.
You are going to collect, get organized, be intentional, and
do the work. So if something usually when something's really
good and people are really connected and everything's great, that's

(06:26):
when they wouldn't do therapy. That's when they think they've
got it going good. But everything has the new car
smell and little cracks become craters. And when the car
has the new car smell, that's when you start doing
the work. That's when you get the self help book.
That's when you talk to your partner about self help.
That's when you check in with your partner. That's when
you do therapy on yourself and eventually hopefully with them.

(06:47):
I am not above if I'm really into someone. I'm
not above early on, if they're in the same page,
once every couple of months talking to a therapist or
once a month, because you want to lock the door
before you get robbed. And there could be different dynamics.
If you're an adult and you have kids and you're blending,
that would be a situation where you might want to

(07:07):
get a professional involved, okay, because that's something that takes
you know, finessing, and you don't want to do damage
in the beginning that you can undo. Or if you're
in a long distance relationship, let's say, and there's certain
you get in your head and there's a certain you know,
there are certain tools and a skill set you need
to navigate. That's a time when you would be proactive

(07:28):
and intentional. So I think it's important to make an
effort and be intentional when the stakes are high, and
you know when they're high, when you're like, wow, this
could really be it. And I know myself and I
know my tendencies, and I know my habits, and I
know my ways, and I know that history repeats itself,
and I know that. I start to get anxious attachment

(07:51):
to someone. I start to get anxiety. I start to
get in my head. I make up scenarios, I start
to obsess, I start to fixate. I start to get
overly knee, I start to get overly distant. I start
to want to make the other person jealous. I start
to like when they're jealous. I start to be jealous.
Whatever your noise is, you have it, and you keep
doing it over and over. And when you first get

(08:12):
in the relationship, you don't think you're going to do
it over and over because it's got the new car smell.
And then all of a sudden, one day you hit
a brick wall and you go back to your ways,
and you convince yourself, and you call your friends and
your crowdsource because you want all your friends to validate
and reinforce what you're saying, which is a terrible idea.
Do not go taking advice from your friends. Take advice

(08:34):
from professionals. Or you could have a certain friend or
a colleague or someone that you already know has excellent judgment.
Doesn't always tell you what you want to hear is
going to tell you the unpopular thing is going to
be like your local affordable therapist. That's a different model,
but it's not your friend that every day you just
call it a complaint and they validate everything you say,

(08:54):
and they don't. They just want to make you feel good,
or they just like are someone that allows you to
hear yourself talk, don't do that. There's a lot to navigate,
and as we get older, there are so many dynamics.

(09:20):
So I have a dating theory and a relation to
theory and a marriage theory, and it might help frame things.
I think that in partnerships, one partner is a rescue dog. Well, no,
that's not true. You can have two rescue dogs together.
You can have two breeder dogs together. But I think
that people are either a breeder dog or a rescue dog.
You either grew up in the Drew Barrymore School of parenting,

(09:40):
which is an extreme don't get me wrong. And I
grew up I went to the Drew Barrymore School of Childhood,
and or you were like in a family that was together.
And of course every family has its issues. But like
you have a safe, secure attachment program, you believe that
people can have a good relationship. You've witnessed good relationships,
you have some foundation, you are not a mess, and

(10:01):
you don't like you've seen normal constructs that other people
have never even witnessed, like for me, seeing like a
normal relationship in a family environment, a stable relationship, non drama,
non drugs, non abuse, non alcohol, non psychological abuse, non gambling,
you know, non underage going to night clubs like just

(10:25):
I've seen action. I've seen just debauchery. And so for me,
chaos was the norm. Action was the norm. So being
in something stable and peaceful, or seeing someone or being
with someone who's normal and stable and peaceful is strange.
It's an alien concept. It's like putting something strange into
your bloodstream that it doesn't that it rejects. So I'm

(10:47):
like a rescue dog because someone could do something that
would be normal, and I would see it as a
fight or flight. I would see it as trauma. Someone
could not text you back for thirty minutes, and I
could think the world's coming to an end, where someone
else would have a normal rational thought that like someone
might be in, you know, in an appointment, and that's
just a dumb example. But breeder dogs walk in with
secure attachment history. They've seen good relationships. They know that

(11:12):
it's possible. It's not like an island that they see
that they have no idea how to swim to. They
have faith in the process. They think they could be
in love. They know how to treat someone nicely. They
don't need for there to be action and drama and
a problem all the time. They aren't deeply anxiety ridden
in insecure. They could be insecure. They could be jealous,
but they might not have the same issues and noise.

(11:34):
And the thing is, if someone identifies what they are
and shares it with the other person, it can help
in the relationship because you know when someone's doing something
it has nothing to do with you. If a breeder
dog starts shaking, like I have a special needs dog smalls,
he shakes for no reason. He's a rescue His mom
is going to be euthanized. He shakes for no reason.
He's a disaster. He's a mess. He has five nervous

(11:54):
breakdowns a day. He's scared of water, his own shadow.
He'll have two nervous breakdowns a day to start shaking
and panicking. No things happened, like he's a fucking wreck. Okay,
Biggie is just like super well adjusted. I could bring
him on a plane. Small's tongue comes out like one
of those frogs that has like that tongue that comes
out to like get flies. I'm, you know, not a mess,
but like normal. I tell people I'm a squirrel. I

(12:17):
don't trust. So you come near me and maybe I'll
come with you to get like some of the food.
But you make a little weird move. I'm running up
that fucking tree. So like I'm like a rescue dog.
You cannot explain why a rescue dog you come near
them and they shake and they run away, or whether
they won't let you put a leash on, or whe
they won't let you give him a bath, or some
weird thing triggers them, like a treat or something. You
don't know. They're a rescue dog. They've been fucked up.

(12:37):
They have a fucked up child, a a fucked up past.
Someone abused them. Someone asks who hurt you? I'm like,
where do you want? Where do I sign up for?
Telling you? You want the list who hurt me? Who
didn't hurt me. I've seen my mother get the shit
beaten out of her with a phone I've seen people
do drugs. I've had my mother get beaten up and
then heard sex fifteen minutes later. Crazy shit. I've been

(12:58):
to nightclub since I was thirteen years doing drugs, doing
everything that's wrong, everything that your kid is not supposed
to be doing. Taking the train into New York City
at fourteen years old, getting myself to fourteenth Streets, to
the Palladium, to area, to the tunnel to save the robot. Like,
none of this is normal. I have a fourteen year
old in my house, Like what, So the thing is,
I'm a fucking rescue dog. So to communicate with a partner.

(13:21):
If I'm in a relationship with a breeder dog, I
have to let the breeder dog know I don't act
like a normal person. So understand that one of us
is going to have to be sane. One of us
has to be the rock. I'm not the rock. I'm
the fucking peacock. I'm the star. I'm entertaining, I'm hilarious,
I'm loyal, I'll be good to you, I'll do everything

(13:42):
for you. I am the most fun person you've ever met.
No two days will ever be the same. You will
have a life of laughter and excitement and adventure and
joy and fucking ride or die, and loyalty and hard work,
and you will learn things you never learn. No one's
ever been more efficient. I don't. No one's ever been
or like. I am highly functional. I am super organized.

(14:03):
I can get ten things done to your one. I
will always be ahead of you, smarter, faster, quicker. But
I'm a fucking disaster. So you need to know that
you're gonna have to be the rational saying rock here.
So do you want that job or don't you? And
also you have to be interesting, because you can't be
a fucking boring doormat. That's gonna be the rock. You
have to be fun and ready to go. So know

(14:27):
if you're the rescue dog or the breeder dog, communicate
about it. And two rescue dogs can be together, and
a rescue dog and a breeder dog can be together.
But you just have to communicate. It's an important thing.
And you know who you are. Maybe you're right down
the middle, Maybe you're a part maybe you're a mixed breed,
you're part rescue, part reader. I don't think you can
be part breader, part rescue, but I once did get

(14:48):
a dog from it. Was like a rescue dog, but
I got it from like a rescue dog store, so
it was like safe, but it wasn't a purebred, so
you decide for yourself. You are welcome, have a great day.
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