May 20, 2025 • 11 mins
Ben and JLo having the classiest breakup ever. Meghan and Harry are doing something... else.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
So Megan and Harry have been doing media tours lately.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I think hers might be for her jam and she
went on her best friend's podcast. I didn't listen to.
I don't listen to podcasts, but I think a one clip.
And Harry's been doing a press tour. I don't know
what it's for. But he sat down with the BBC
to talk about the fact that the family won't speak
to him and that he wants to reconcile. And the
(00:39):
definition of the problem is him doing the interview in
the first place. You can't like put your hand for like,
go a way, come back, come here, go away, like
meaning if you want to reconcile with the royal family,
going on a British talk show now you're in your
own house, it doesn't seem like a great way to
do it. And the thing about it is, you know,
everybody's said like they're prior it, but then they're doing
(01:01):
all this public stuff. The energy is that Harry's regretting
going too far with it. Now he's in so deep
it feels like he has to keep going. The problem
is going to be that there's not going to be
any more juice to get from this lemon like we
know it all, so you can't keep capitalizing off of
(01:23):
this institution. And the thing is, Megan got in some
kind of like public trouble for using HRH Her Royal
Highness on a note to a friend, which is a title.
And I was talking about titles because titles do matter
to people. They don't matter to me, but they matter
to people. In corporate America, people could not get a
financial raise, but they could get a title raise, and
(01:45):
it makes them feel seen, which is why you have
to appreciate people and let them know when they're doing
a good job, because oftentimes you know you're just telling
them what to do and giving direction and to stop
down and thank someone and giving someone a title bump.
For many corporate people work and when you leave an
institution or a firm or corporation, you don't get to
keep the title, so they don't do the work. So
(02:07):
that's why they got the title taken away. It's a
working title. I didn't realize this for them. It's a
title for working royals, so they're not working anymore. And
you can't sit down at a dinner party and be like,
I'm the director of communications at Yahoo. If like you
lost that job, like you don't get to keep using
that title, and that's what a title is. It's also
only been like two years, so it's not like she's
(02:27):
keeping the title because her kids have known her as
that their whole life, or she's keeping a name because
she was married to someone. I bring up the Countess
because she was married to the count for fifteen years.
It's also a brand, and Megan's using it as a brand.
But Oprah asked her about using her platforms to build
a brand, and she's saying no, But she's monetizing things
that she's wearing. She puts up links so you can
(02:48):
buy them, and she makes a lot of money doing that,
So she's monetizing the brand. So she should just say
I'm keeping the title I married a prince. This is
the brand now because I don't think it's illegal to
use it. They've just said that they don't want her
to use it. So you gotta lean in or lean out.
You jumped. They're not taking you back. You gotta go
fucking all in and be like, Hi, this is my brand.
(03:09):
HRH is my brand. This is her Royal Highness. I
don't think you can get sued for that. I don't know,
but like, lean all the fuck. Here's my jam. It's
royal jam. This is a royal sweater. You get to
click a link and buy it. This is royal everything,
Royal jelly, this is royal jelly.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
These are royal pants. This is it.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
She should start selling crowns at this point, like just
lean in, sell princess wants be a princess, and get
in and lean all the way into it. Because NAIs
can't leave the two paces out of the jar. The
only way to go back is to take a monetary
number and be on a gag order, sign an NBA,
say to them, we'll never talk about you guys again.
They wouldn't pay more than that, and these two wouldn't
(03:48):
take more than that because they earn money off of
the story. But for how long I don't know how
long you can keep talking about the same topic. And
they're too far away from it for it to be relevant,
Like it's a current story, like this happened recently at
the wedding, it's a long time ago. So they could
probably be successful if they just like leaned all the
way in. But he still seems to want to reconcile.
(04:11):
It doesn't make sense though, to sit down and do
a media interview, which is the exact and very reason
that your family has excommunicated you from the church. So
if Harry and Meghan want to reconcile, they would have
to say, like, we are not working royals. We will
not discuss this ever again. We would like just you
(04:33):
guys to say that we get to keep our titles,
but we won't use them, or like just for whatever reason,
someone would care, but we and we will take some
cash and we will never speak of this again. We're
going to move forward and announce that we are building
a brand individual brands and we are open for business.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
But like, you can't do both. And that's just the thing.
It has nothing to do with the two of them.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
They are attractive, they seem nice enough, They probably are
charming and liked and like they're getting caught in the
rip tide because they're in between wanting to be royals
and wanting to be celebrities. And it's not landing for
either because real celebrities, celebrity celebrities like George Clooney and
Amal and David Beckham and his wife no longer speak
(05:15):
to them anymore because they're not fucking around with their
relationship with the royals. You think David Beckham is fucking
around with the monarchy when he's British, and so is
she immediately now, immediately now and George Clooney and Amal
and she does like international like human rights law, like
is in a human rights attorney, Like I don't think
she's fucking with the monarchy either, and why would he.
(05:37):
He's like the Carrie Grant, he lived in Italy, Like
there's just no upside. So those friends that are celebrities
have left. I think they have friends in Montecieto, the Oprah's,
the Kim Kardashian, But you don't see Oprah talking about
this that much anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So I'm saying they're not royals anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
They have to like lean into celebrity like reality show
honestly speaking, like lean in, grab the bag.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Alec Balwin did it. He did a reality show. I'm
saying he's not a royal.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
But you're not a royal either anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Like I mean, we all, you know, pull our pants
down at some point, Like that's just what happens at
some point, you know, if you need to believe me.
If I didn't have a bunch of other opportunities and
not make the kind of money that i'd make, I'd
go right back to trash reality TV.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I don't need to. I do very well.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
But if I needed to pay for my bills or
whatever it was, or my nut was so big, believe me,
I would dance on a table.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So if they want the money they want to smash
and grab.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's not going to be through the Royal Angle, and
it's probably not going to be through dining out on
the Royal Angle because we ate that meal. We're sick
of it. We don't want to hear it anymore. Stop,
you can't sell pass the point. Yes, we already know.
We know, we know what happened.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
We got it. It was terrible, the plate, the frog more,
it's all terrible, we know it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
We gotta do something new, We got to do something
new and ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Leaning into the.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Joke, because if they're printing the money, who cares? Their
kids are fine, the fine, her mom's fine. They could
do what they want and lean in, lean in. So
(07:21):
I was listening to Ben Affleck reflect on his relationship
with Jennifer Lopez. I want to shout out the elegant breakup.
Every breakup that I've ever had is ultimately an elegant,
classy breakup, except for one. I was married years ago.
(07:41):
Never peep from him. I have been engaged, never peep.
I still speak to many ex'es. I think how you
go into a job or a relationship is how you
should leave. And I think an elegant breakup is a
reflection of the person in the relationship or at the job.
I really do like I still speak to former assistants
(08:03):
and people I worked with years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I just think that's critical.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You can't burn the house down, do a barn burner
in a relationship, either or in the workplace. And Ben
Affleck has been on a press tour, I think presumably
marketing a film, and obviously his relationship with Jennifer Lopez
has come up, and he has the kindest things to
say about her, and they have an amicable relationship. And
(08:27):
it's interesting because she was in a relationship with someone
else with kids and her kids, but that relationship was
severed and the relationship with the kids and Ben his
kids and her and the kids still have a relationship,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
My exes have relationships with my daughter if she's been
in their life, one passed away. But that is a
class act, and that's a reflection upon who we choose.
And I like that he speaks highly of Jennifer, and
he he does say that the breakdown of the relationship
is because he ultimately is an introvert and he likes
(09:09):
his privacy and she ultimately is an extrovert from a
public standpoint. And as I've said earlier on this podcast,
she really packed a lot into the beginning.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And I also get that.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I've been on reality TV in a relationship when everything's
going good and it's high. It's addictive, you know, and
it's hard to slow things down. It just all seems
like a good idea, and you crash and burn. I
was in a relationship where we were madly obsessed with
each other and we got physically ill because we were
so excited that the endorphins are going, the adrenaline's going,
(09:42):
and he actually remember getting bronchitis, and you burn out
because in the beginning, everything sounds like a good idea.
So while we sit and look, it's looking like wait,
she's in Europe. With him on a boat, with him
doing multiple shows, doing a documentary, doing another document she
was excited, she's addicted to love.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's kind of what her documentary about.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And I kind of have to say, we can sit
in judgment from afar, but I kind of get how
it could happen. And you can't ask a dog to
be a cat. You can't ask an introvert who suffers
from addiction to like be so activated and hold on tight.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
That's hard.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And you can't ask an extrovert to become someone who
wants to just be home all the time and wants
to quiet. It's a fundamental difference. Yes, could he be
more fun and more extroverted, which we saw that maybe
he just didn't like going to all those events, which
I get. I've been in those relationships. Yes, could she
chill out and does she like to sometimes?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But you have to really understand who each person fundamentally
is in a relationship. So I've talked before about attachment styles.
Finding out what someone's attachment style is them being honest
about it. And another thing that is a key thing
is a personality test, Like what is someone's personality type
and does it vibe with you. Everything sounds good in
(10:59):
the beginning, and everything's good in the honeymoon stage, but
how do you layer in a life with someone else
who is fundamentally different? And it's very hard when you
love someone who's fundamentally different.
So Megan and Harry have been doing media tours lately.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I think hers might be for her jam and she
went on her best friend's podcast. I didn't listen to.
I don't listen to podcasts, but I think a one clip.
And Harry's been doing a press tour. I don't know
what it's for. But he sat down with the BBC
to talk about the fact that the family won't speak
to him and that he wants to reconcile. And the
(00:39):
definition of the problem is him doing the interview in
the first place. You can't like put your hand for like,
go a way, come back, come here, go away, like
meaning if you want to reconcile with the royal family,
going on a British talk show now you're in your
own house, it doesn't seem like a great way to
do it. And the thing about it is, you know,
everybody's said like they're prior it, but then they're doing
(01:01):
all this public stuff. The energy is that Harry's regretting
going too far with it. Now he's in so deep
it feels like he has to keep going. The problem
is going to be that there's not going to be
any more juice to get from this lemon like we
know it all, so you can't keep capitalizing off of
(01:23):
this institution. And the thing is, Megan got in some
kind of like public trouble for using HRH Her Royal
Highness on a note to a friend, which is a title.
And I was talking about titles because titles do matter
to people. They don't matter to me, but they matter
to people. In corporate America, people could not get a
financial raise, but they could get a title raise, and
(01:45):
it makes them feel seen, which is why you have
to appreciate people and let them know when they're doing
a good job, because oftentimes you know you're just telling
them what to do and giving direction and to stop
down and thank someone and giving someone a title bump.
For many corporate people work and when you leave an
institution or a firm or corporation, you don't get to
keep the title, so they don't do the work. So
(02:07):
that's why they got the title taken away. It's a
working title. I didn't realize this for them. It's a
title for working royals, so they're not working anymore. And
you can't sit down at a dinner party and be like,
I'm the director of communications at Yahoo. If like you
lost that job, like you don't get to keep using
that title, and that's what a title is. It's also
only been like two years, so it's not like she's
(02:27):
keeping the title because her kids have known her as
that their whole life, or she's keeping a name because
she was married to someone. I bring up the Countess
because she was married to the count for fifteen years.
It's also a brand, and Megan's using it as a brand.
But Oprah asked her about using her platforms to build
a brand, and she's saying no, But she's monetizing things
that she's wearing. She puts up links so you can
(02:48):
buy them, and she makes a lot of money doing that,
So she's monetizing the brand. So she should just say
I'm keeping the title I married a prince. This is
the brand now because I don't think it's illegal to
use it. They've just said that they don't want her
to use it. So you gotta lean in or lean out.
You jumped. They're not taking you back. You gotta go
fucking all in and be like, Hi, this is my brand.
(03:09):
HRH is my brand. This is her Royal Highness. I
don't think you can get sued for that. I don't know,
but like, lean all the fuck. Here's my jam. It's
royal jam. This is a royal sweater. You get to
click a link and buy it. This is royal everything,
Royal jelly, this is royal jelly.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
These are royal pants. This is it.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
She should start selling crowns at this point, like just
lean in, sell princess wants be a princess, and get
in and lean all the way into it. Because NAIs
can't leave the two paces out of the jar. The
only way to go back is to take a monetary
number and be on a gag order, sign an NBA,
say to them, we'll never talk about you guys again.
They wouldn't pay more than that, and these two wouldn't
(03:48):
take more than that because they earn money off of
the story. But for how long I don't know how
long you can keep talking about the same topic. And
they're too far away from it for it to be relevant,
Like it's a current story, like this happened recently at
the wedding, it's a long time ago. So they could
probably be successful if they just like leaned all the
way in. But he still seems to want to reconcile.
(04:11):
It doesn't make sense though, to sit down and do
a media interview, which is the exact and very reason
that your family has excommunicated you from the church. So
if Harry and Meghan want to reconcile, they would have
to say, like, we are not working royals. We will
not discuss this ever again. We would like just you
(04:33):
guys to say that we get to keep our titles,
but we won't use them, or like just for whatever reason,
someone would care, but we and we will take some
cash and we will never speak of this again. We're
going to move forward and announce that we are building
a brand individual brands and we are open for business.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
But like, you can't do both. And that's just the thing.
It has nothing to do with the two of them.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
They are attractive, they seem nice enough, They probably are
charming and liked and like they're getting caught in the
rip tide because they're in between wanting to be royals
and wanting to be celebrities. And it's not landing for
either because real celebrities, celebrity celebrities like George Clooney and
Amal and David Beckham and his wife no longer speak
(05:15):
to them anymore because they're not fucking around with their
relationship with the royals. You think David Beckham is fucking
around with the monarchy when he's British, and so is
she immediately now, immediately now and George Clooney and Amal
and she does like international like human rights law, like
is in a human rights attorney, Like I don't think
she's fucking with the monarchy either, and why would he.
(05:37):
He's like the Carrie Grant, he lived in Italy, Like
there's just no upside. So those friends that are celebrities
have left. I think they have friends in Montecieto, the Oprah's,
the Kim Kardashian, But you don't see Oprah talking about
this that much anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So I'm saying they're not royals anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
They have to like lean into celebrity like reality show
honestly speaking, like lean in, grab the bag.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Alec Balwin did it. He did a reality show. I'm
saying he's not a royal.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
But you're not a royal either anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Like I mean, we all, you know, pull our pants
down at some point, Like that's just what happens at
some point, you know, if you need to believe me.
If I didn't have a bunch of other opportunities and
not make the kind of money that i'd make, I'd
go right back to trash reality TV.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I don't need to. I do very well.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
But if I needed to pay for my bills or
whatever it was, or my nut was so big, believe me,
I would dance on a table.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So if they want the money they want to smash
and grab.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's not going to be through the Royal Angle, and
it's probably not going to be through dining out on
the Royal Angle because we ate that meal. We're sick
of it. We don't want to hear it anymore. Stop,
you can't sell pass the point. Yes, we already know.
We know, we know what happened.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
We got it. It was terrible, the plate, the frog more,
it's all terrible, we know it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
We gotta do something new, We got to do something
new and ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Leaning into the.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Joke, because if they're printing the money, who cares? Their
kids are fine, the fine, her mom's fine. They could
do what they want and lean in, lean in. So
(07:21):
I was listening to Ben Affleck reflect on his relationship
with Jennifer Lopez. I want to shout out the elegant breakup.
Every breakup that I've ever had is ultimately an elegant,
classy breakup, except for one. I was married years ago.
(07:41):
Never peep from him. I have been engaged, never peep.
I still speak to many ex'es. I think how you
go into a job or a relationship is how you
should leave. And I think an elegant breakup is a
reflection of the person in the relationship or at the job.
I really do like I still speak to former assistants
(08:03):
and people I worked with years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I just think that's critical.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You can't burn the house down, do a barn burner
in a relationship, either or in the workplace. And Ben
Affleck has been on a press tour, I think presumably
marketing a film, and obviously his relationship with Jennifer Lopez
has come up, and he has the kindest things to
say about her, and they have an amicable relationship. And
(08:27):
it's interesting because she was in a relationship with someone
else with kids and her kids, but that relationship was
severed and the relationship with the kids and Ben his
kids and her and the kids still have a relationship,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
My exes have relationships with my daughter if she's been
in their life, one passed away. But that is a
class act, and that's a reflection upon who we choose.
And I like that he speaks highly of Jennifer, and
he he does say that the breakdown of the relationship
is because he ultimately is an introvert and he likes
(09:09):
his privacy and she ultimately is an extrovert from a
public standpoint. And as I've said earlier on this podcast,
she really packed a lot into the beginning.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And I also get that.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I've been on reality TV in a relationship when everything's
going good and it's high. It's addictive, you know, and
it's hard to slow things down. It just all seems
like a good idea, and you crash and burn. I
was in a relationship where we were madly obsessed with
each other and we got physically ill because we were
so excited that the endorphins are going, the adrenaline's going,
(09:42):
and he actually remember getting bronchitis, and you burn out
because in the beginning, everything sounds like a good idea.
So while we sit and look, it's looking like wait,
she's in Europe. With him on a boat, with him
doing multiple shows, doing a documentary, doing another document she
was excited, she's addicted to love.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's kind of what her documentary about.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And I kind of have to say, we can sit
in judgment from afar, but I kind of get how
it could happen. And you can't ask a dog to
be a cat. You can't ask an introvert who suffers
from addiction to like be so activated and hold on tight.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
That's hard.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And you can't ask an extrovert to become someone who
wants to just be home all the time and wants
to quiet. It's a fundamental difference. Yes, could he be
more fun and more extroverted, which we saw that maybe
he just didn't like going to all those events, which
I get. I've been in those relationships. Yes, could she
chill out and does she like to sometimes?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But you have to really understand who each person fundamentally
is in a relationship. So I've talked before about attachment styles.
Finding out what someone's attachment style is them being honest
about it. And another thing that is a key thing
is a personality test, Like what is someone's personality type
and does it vibe with you. Everything sounds good in
(10:59):
the beginning, and everything's good in the honeymoon stage, but
how do you layer in a life with someone else
who is fundamentally different? And it's very hard when you
love someone who's fundamentally different.
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