December 17, 2025 • 16 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
I did Alex Cooper's podcast. Now, I met her twice
because I did her tour, and I was impressed by
her backstage work ethic on something as seemingly superficial as
social media, but it's literally a massive part of her business.
It promotes her podcast, and she's very good at it,
and she's a regular poster and it's part of her
(00:33):
business model. And so backstage on one of those shows,
we don't have the exact same process. But since day
one of doing this, I've never seen someone more like
minded than myself in social media posted in the way
they approach it, not all day every day, but in
(00:54):
the moment of the creativity, of the execution, of the
perfectionism of how it's going to be done, of the
she's really driving the way it's going down for the
most part. But it was game met game, and I
recognized her gangster and I liked it. Okay, that said,
watching clips on the internet, she's a podcaster. She's done
(01:15):
very well for herself. She must be business savvy. She
seems to have a good work ethic. She's thorough. She's
literally interviewed Michelle Obama, she's interviewed with Kim Kardashian and
Charlie's Throne and many many people.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But so have other people.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And I've been interviewed by many of these other people
that are like the shows, the talk shows, the podcasts, etc.
And in many cases the interview is good. Sometimes it's fun,
Sometimes it's light and bright. Sometimes it's popcorn, sometimes it's
junk food, and often it's enjoyable. I could talk to
a wall. But in the case of Alex Cooper, in
(01:51):
watching just clips on social media, which is all I
had seen, she could make it look easy, like it's
not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's not that hard, you know. She's like more fluffy.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Like there's certain fluffy interviews over the years, Like you're
gonna go in and talk about a miscarriage. You might
anecdotally discuss it with Ellen, but that was not where
you went to do that. You might talk about a
new book or laugh at her, or I did talk
about relief because she's interested in it, But that's not
where you're gonna get like the deep, hard hitting interview.
You're not gonna talk to Andy Cohen about your divorce.
(02:20):
You might have to because you're on the Housewives, but
like it's fluffy junk food journalism. You're not gonna do
a sit down like meaningful what used to be Matt
Law or Katie Kuric interview with Andy Cohen and watch
What Happens Live. That's when you talk about you know,
your tit that popped out at a cocktail party, or
who you slept with, or your fraud charges, because they're
fodder for.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You know, good television.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So in going to Alex Cooper, I didn't really prepare
for it, and I don't think ahead about what I'm
going to be asked or what I want to say
or promote. In that case, I literally went in with
a blank screen. As a side note, she was interested
in dating, and it turned into like twelve minutes which
ended up being about my dating concept, which ended up
being a fuck and fire drow and I left there
(03:01):
to have to like figure out a strategy to get
something up and running with this dating concept by the
time her interview aired, which was two weeks later, and
Bloomberg had asked me to talk about it, and so
now I was fucking under the gun. And I hired
one of the massive, massive, multi billion dollar app company coos.
He had been at two of these So anyway, I've
(03:23):
got my game teed up, but still it's very much
a startup and it's nascent stage. I don't know exactly
what it is or it's going to be. But because
of Alex Cooper, the Oprah Winfrey of the younger generation,
of the younger female generation, I caught up, but I digress.
So Alex Cooper interviews me, and I'm thinking it's going
to be like deep interview light you know, Okay, what
(03:45):
happened was very different. What happened which made me want
to close down this podcast and like never do it again,
because I have fun with you guys. When I've interviewed
I'm gonna get to the point. This is all the
four play I've interviewed Matthew McConaughey and Hillary Clinton, and
it's gotten no more downloads than when I talk to
you about my bra. So like I enjoy sitting down
(04:07):
and just emoting and ranting and telling you things that
I'm going through or opining on things that matter and
don't matter, or pop culture or bullshit or discounts or
dating or your vagina or whatever. Like this is just
what I like. This is who I am. I don't
want to feel shackled by a podcast. I said that
on the Toast when I was like, wait, this is
like her main flagship store and I have a different
(04:29):
flagship store. She's great at it, and like I was
impressed by the way she interviewed. I'm talking about when
I was on the Toast, but that's not my day
to day because I don't like to be sitting down.
I don't like cards, I don't like to be shackled.
I like to be completely unbridled and free. So I
sit down with Alex Cooper and I think I'm like
crying in minutes. I don't know why she started out
(04:49):
with the way she started out, and I don't know
why she asked the thing that she asked, but I
like feel myself getting emotional minutes into this interview with
Alex Cooper. The cute like blonde from Boston with blue eyes.
It's in a sweat and I'm like, what the fuck
is going on? And there were many questions that she
didn't ask me that I would have thought someone would
have asked me. She really couldn't have given a shit
(05:09):
about like housewives, gossip, or a lot of things. I
would have thought that she would ask like, she didn't
go for clickbait, like there will be clickbait. She's not stupid,
she will find in mind clickbait. But she didn't go
to catch me in something, and she didn't go to
like get me to say something that would make you
feel uncomfortable. I'll watch what Happens live where you're like
(05:30):
under your covers and have to like live it for
four days because it was something said out of context,
or got you to say something bad about someone that
you had no issue with, but now you do have
an issue with them because you just answered her question
completely honestly, And he would never get in trouble for
the bait of making you trash someone else. And yet
here this woman wasn't trying at all to bait you.
She just had a natural curiosity for my life and
(05:52):
my life story. And because she didn't try to bait me,
and because we were having a real meaningful conversation, she
got more out of me then maybe anybody ever has.
Like it was an actual interview. I was so guard down.
(06:19):
Am I slightly worried that I'll say something like I
invented the skinny margarita, which I did, or I started
the monetization of reality TV on the Housewives, even before
you know, shows like The Kardashians, which I did, and
I don't need like a bunch of like, oh, she
thinks she's a second coming and all the shit because
of the way that some of the questions were asked.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Maybe, but who cares?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Like I sat down and most importantly, I enjoyed myself
and I was emotionally and mentally challenged. I had to
actually sit down and process and go deep. But it
could have gone on for ten hours. I really enjoyed it,
as did she. Like we were deep, we were in
the pocket, as they say, we were in the zone,
in the hole.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It was vibing.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And now I don't know if what comes out in
the world when you watch it is something when you
see the clips, you're gonna think is like, oh, she's
just a cute like you know interviewer, but like she's
not blah blah blah. I've been interviewed by Chelsea Handler,
Howard Stern, Jay Leno, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, Matt Lower,
Katie Couric, Lara Spencer, everyone, Like. I can't really think
(07:20):
of many people that I haven't been interviewed by this
bitch is good in a different way. She was as
good as Howard Stern. You know, there are many great interviews,
and she's entertaining and it's great, and her shock value
is wonderful. This woman deserves her flowers. Like I literally
at the end said, like, I don't even want to
go back to my podcast. I do because I love
you guys, and I love talking to you guys, but
(07:41):
like it's a different level, Like it's okay, Alex Cooper
to her podcast is what I was to housewives. Yes
there are other people with podcasts, and yes, other podcasts
are wonderful, but like she is fucking Michael Jordan and
then there's everybody else. For my purview, I don't do listen.
I haven't been on the one with the three guys SmartLess,
(08:04):
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I haven't been on Joe Rogan, you know, But.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I can't wait to be on and do a comparison
because I'm not a dummy and I know a good interviewer.
So either she was in the pocket that day with
me because the subject matter she related to, or she
just is in the pocket and makes it look easy.
And by the way, having been on Ellen twenty five times.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Literally, that's not easy either.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
She made it look easy running around in the games
and it's next and come up and laughing and surprises
and jumping out of the box. It's not an easy
thing to do. It's not an easy thing to do.
But this is a different breed and a different animal,
and I respected it and I'm giving her her flowers.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I really really am.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And for me, I used to make jokes about me
as a creator and say it's a garage band. It
is no longer a garage band. It is very much
a real business sometimes with you guys. In the best
possible way, I feel like this is just a garage band.
It's like my own little, you know, garage band. It's
the way that I need to and love to do it.
I don't love sitting down being shackled with I'm supposed
to ask someone get things. I'm supposed to get clickbait,
(09:03):
I'm supposed to get clicked on. It's like, I just
like talking to you guys and bullshitting. That's what I like.
So that's what it is, Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I've been wanting to talk about people who are.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Having another chapter or creating a new chapter, like I've
watched Lisa Rinna and be in fashion Week and her
daughters or models and her wardrobe change drastically on the Housewives,
and she evolved into something different, and I think she's
done different campaigns and she goes to Paris and wears
like big, very avant garde, elaborate, very it's fashion, it's
(09:32):
cauture honey clothes, and I think that's good. I think
it's nice for someone to have their next chapter and
do things that they're interested in. And maybe it started
as a hobby and then she gets to monetize it,
or it's just a passion project, or you know, like myself,
you get to be of a certain age and just
like redefine what you're doing because maybe you've made some money,
(09:53):
or maybe your kids are grown, or you're just more
creative because you're not as goal oriented, and then differ
and things come. I don't know if this is a
real career or if this is just a hobby, but
it seems like she's probably going to make some money
on it or at least have a great time doing
it. It seems like Derinda is djaying. I haven't seen her, actually,
dj I've just seen her like with the headphones on
(10:15):
and maybe at events or talking about it or but
I like, good for her, like go on, like these
are people who made it onto Housewives and this is
the next chapter. And I love that it's different because
Melissa is still on the show, but her is a
Sprinkle Cookies. But that's different because she's still on the show.
(10:43):
So people are criticizing the met gala because it's evolving,
it's changing, and someone was liked, has it jumped the shark?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I'm like, what's shark? No, they always criticized it.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
They criticized it because it's some Carl Lagerfeld theme and
I guess either he was racist or there was some
problem with him.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Every year it's new thing that gets criticized, the theme,
the people, the hosts, every past but yet every year
everyone's watching and it gets bigger and bigger. Okay, everyone
wants to criticize Anna Winter or she's a fucking HBI
C and she's moved on from Vogue, And at that point,
Lauren Sanchez was I think on the cover of Vogue,
and I think that they might be friends or I'm
(11:21):
sure Lauren and Jeff have donated in some way, and
people criticize that. I don't know what the hell people
think Vogue is, but it's a for profit institution and
there are very few things that are preserved in whatever
they started as. And if this was preserved in what
it started as, the met galowis people in just nice gowns.
Tom Ford didn't like when it became pomp and circumstance,
(11:41):
when it became costumes, but that's what it is now,
that's evolution. Housewives started with me in a freaking hand
me down cashmeir sweater and no makeup. Now it's people
wearing ABCDFG head to toe and like full costumes to
go nowhere.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No one had glam when I was coming.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Up, like glam a big crazy disruption, and now it's
like there's never kno glam, and now there's never not
stylists and like, that's evolution. So the meccala like every
other fucking thing in the world, like crumble cookies, like
Starbucks having food. Now, like everything that has ever existed
for a profit, the mechcala has evolved. Okay, Lauren Sanchez
(12:20):
was on the cover. People had a big problem with it. Okay,
why why she's now well known. Okay, Oh, where did
she come from? She just married someone wealthy. Okay, well,
Kim Kardashian started with a sex tape.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Guess what.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Let's not take away from her and her family that
they are the Kennedy's and they're fucking gangsters, and they're
making tons of money and are moving markets and are
creating influence and have power.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Like it or not, that's a fact. These are facts. Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
They're moving product and influence in this country. They've got
television shows, They've got scripted television shows with big name
brands like Hulu and Ryan Murphy.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Okay, so get on or get out of the way.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So Laurence Sanchez married Jeff Bezos, one of the most
powerful wealthy men in the world, and they glowed each
other up.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
That was a merger. That was like Kim and Kanye.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
When the sum was greater than its parts, like George
and Amal, when the sum is greater than its parts,
like David Beckham and Victoria, when the sum was greater
than its parts, Blake Lively and Ryan some greater than parts.
Like it or don't, it's a fact. These are facts.
So she marries Jeff she has her own program. He's
got his own program. He's an icon, he's a mogul.
(13:32):
She likes fashion. Okay, she wasn't a fashionista before. Neither
was Kim Kardashian. Kanye leveled up her fashion game. Neither
was Lisa, Rinna, Erika, Jane and the Housewives leveled her
fashion game up. People are allowed to have been something different. Okay,
So Laurence into fashion. Now she can afford different fashion.
Now she can go to Paris Fashion Week. Now it's
(13:52):
a trained art. No one was born out of the
vagina with a stylist.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
All these people in Hollywood have stylists anyway, So it's
bullshit or it's not like it's fashion, but it's fashion
that's trained, taught, bought, sought and styled. So Laurence Sanchez
marries Jeff, she's in Vogue. People are I guess why?
No one knows, who cares? Who's anyone? Who is anyone?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So now she's on the cover and now she and
Jeff are hosting the Metala.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Good they'll find a way to level it up and
donate it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Where is the core preserved original sour dough starter culture?
Everyone's trying to preserve Charlie d'milia or the other one,
Addison Ray or Charlie Demilia. They were at the Mechala.
They're influencers. That's a new era, that's a new genre.
So guess what coming from Hollywood being married to one
(14:48):
of the most powerful, successful, brilliant tech people in the
world and then hosting the metch gala. Okay, Kim Kardashian
and the bar that she didn't pass the bar? JFK Junior.
I think a couple of times didn't pass the bar.
Who cares? I could not get through the online real
estate exam. Okay, some people think I'm very smart. Mark
(15:12):
Cuban like is quoted as being like she's one of
the great marketing geniuses. Like Kevin O'Leary would say I'm smart.
The head of CIA would saym smart. Jeff Bezos, I
had dinner with him. I said a couple of things.
He would probably say, I'm smart. Okay, I'm not sure.
I think I'm relatively smart.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I'm very smart in certain ways. Okay, I could not
get through the quizzes at the end of the real
estate exam online. I was frustrated. I would fail. I
would go back, they would tell you the answer, I'd
go back and fail again.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I stopped. I quit.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I couldn't get a real estate exam, which would save
me so much money, because I've flipped so many properties. Literally,
during the pandemic, I moved like six properties. I have
done a lot of real estate for a normal person,
for like a normal civilian, I could not so. Kim
Kardashian smart, has been smart, has good work ethic. People
say she's nice, she shows up on time, She's very
(16:05):
fucking successful. I don't care if she doesn't pass the
bar a hundred times. I don't know that the bar
is an indication of intelligence any more than that real
estate exam is. Because I hated it and I failed
the quizzes, and I never went back like I hated it.
I did Alex Cooper's podcast. Now, I met her twice
because I did her tour, and I was impressed by
her backstage work ethic on something as seemingly superficial as
social media, but it's literally a massive part of her business.
It promotes her podcast, and she's very good at it,
and she's a regular poster and it's part of her
(00:33):
business model. And so backstage on one of those shows,
we don't have the exact same process. But since day
one of doing this, I've never seen someone more like
minded than myself in social media posted in the way
they approach it, not all day every day, but in
(00:54):
the moment of the creativity, of the execution, of the
perfectionism of how it's going to be done, of the
she's really driving the way it's going down for the
most part. But it was game met game, and I
recognized her gangster and I liked it. Okay, that said,
watching clips on the internet, she's a podcaster. She's done
(01:15):
very well for herself. She must be business savvy. She
seems to have a good work ethic. She's thorough. She's
literally interviewed Michelle Obama, she's interviewed with Kim Kardashian and
Charlie's Throne and many many people.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But so have other people.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And I've been interviewed by many of these other people
that are like the shows, the talk shows, the podcasts, etc.
And in many cases the interview is good. Sometimes it's fun,
Sometimes it's light and bright. Sometimes it's popcorn, sometimes it's
junk food, and often it's enjoyable. I could talk to
a wall. But in the case of Alex Cooper, in
(01:51):
watching just clips on social media, which is all I
had seen, she could make it look easy, like it's
not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's not that hard, you know. She's like more fluffy.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Like there's certain fluffy interviews over the years, Like you're
gonna go in and talk about a miscarriage. You might
anecdotally discuss it with Ellen, but that was not where
you went to do that. You might talk about a
new book or laugh at her, or I did talk
about relief because she's interested in it, But that's not
where you're gonna get like the deep, hard hitting interview.
You're not gonna talk to Andy Cohen about your divorce.
(02:20):
You might have to because you're on the Housewives, but
like it's fluffy junk food journalism. You're not gonna do
a sit down like meaningful what used to be Matt
Law or Katie Kuric interview with Andy Cohen and watch
What Happens Live. That's when you talk about you know,
your tit that popped out at a cocktail party, or
who you slept with, or your fraud charges, because they're
fodder for.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You know, good television.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So in going to Alex Cooper, I didn't really prepare
for it, and I don't think ahead about what I'm
going to be asked or what I want to say
or promote. In that case, I literally went in with
a blank screen. As a side note, she was interested
in dating, and it turned into like twelve minutes which
ended up being about my dating concept, which ended up
being a fuck and fire drow and I left there
(03:01):
to have to like figure out a strategy to get
something up and running with this dating concept by the
time her interview aired, which was two weeks later, and
Bloomberg had asked me to talk about it, and so
now I was fucking under the gun. And I hired
one of the massive, massive, multi billion dollar app company coos.
He had been at two of these So anyway, I've
(03:23):
got my game teed up, but still it's very much
a startup and it's nascent stage. I don't know exactly
what it is or it's going to be. But because
of Alex Cooper, the Oprah Winfrey of the younger generation,
of the younger female generation, I caught up, but I digress.
So Alex Cooper interviews me, and I'm thinking it's going
to be like deep interview light you know, Okay, what
(03:45):
happened was very different. What happened which made me want
to close down this podcast and like never do it again,
because I have fun with you guys. When I've interviewed
I'm gonna get to the point. This is all the
four play I've interviewed Matthew McConaughey and Hillary Clinton, and
it's gotten no more downloads than when I talk to
you about my bra. So like I enjoy sitting down
(04:07):
and just emoting and ranting and telling you things that
I'm going through or opining on things that matter and
don't matter, or pop culture or bullshit or discounts or
dating or your vagina or whatever. Like this is just
what I like. This is who I am. I don't
want to feel shackled by a podcast. I said that
on the Toast when I was like, wait, this is
like her main flagship store and I have a different
(04:29):
flagship store. She's great at it, and like I was
impressed by the way she interviewed. I'm talking about when
I was on the Toast, but that's not my day
to day because I don't like to be sitting down.
I don't like cards, I don't like to be shackled.
I like to be completely unbridled and free. So I
sit down with Alex Cooper and I think I'm like
crying in minutes. I don't know why she started out
(04:49):
with the way she started out, and I don't know
why she asked the thing that she asked, but I
like feel myself getting emotional minutes into this interview with
Alex Cooper. The cute like blonde from Boston with blue eyes.
It's in a sweat and I'm like, what the fuck
is going on? And there were many questions that she
didn't ask me that I would have thought someone would
have asked me. She really couldn't have given a shit
(05:09):
about like housewives, gossip, or a lot of things. I
would have thought that she would ask like, she didn't
go for clickbait, like there will be clickbait. She's not stupid,
she will find in mind clickbait. But she didn't go
to catch me in something, and she didn't go to
like get me to say something that would make you
feel uncomfortable. I'll watch what Happens live where you're like
(05:30):
under your covers and have to like live it for
four days because it was something said out of context,
or got you to say something bad about someone that
you had no issue with, but now you do have
an issue with them because you just answered her question
completely honestly, And he would never get in trouble for
the bait of making you trash someone else. And yet
here this woman wasn't trying at all to bait you.
She just had a natural curiosity for my life and
(05:52):
my life story. And because she didn't try to bait me,
and because we were having a real meaningful conversation, she
got more out of me then maybe anybody ever has.
Like it was an actual interview. I was so guard down.
(06:19):
Am I slightly worried that I'll say something like I
invented the skinny margarita, which I did, or I started
the monetization of reality TV on the Housewives, even before
you know, shows like The Kardashians, which I did, and
I don't need like a bunch of like, oh, she
thinks she's a second coming and all the shit because
of the way that some of the questions were asked.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Maybe, but who cares?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Like I sat down and most importantly, I enjoyed myself
and I was emotionally and mentally challenged. I had to
actually sit down and process and go deep. But it
could have gone on for ten hours. I really enjoyed it,
as did she. Like we were deep, we were in
the pocket, as they say, we were in the zone,
in the hole.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It was vibing.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And now I don't know if what comes out in
the world when you watch it is something when you
see the clips, you're gonna think is like, oh, she's
just a cute like you know interviewer, but like she's
not blah blah blah. I've been interviewed by Chelsea Handler,
Howard Stern, Jay Leno, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, Matt Lower,
Katie Couric, Lara Spencer, everyone, Like. I can't really think
(07:20):
of many people that I haven't been interviewed by this
bitch is good in a different way. She was as
good as Howard Stern. You know, there are many great interviews,
and she's entertaining and it's great, and her shock value
is wonderful. This woman deserves her flowers. Like I literally
at the end said, like, I don't even want to
go back to my podcast. I do because I love
you guys, and I love talking to you guys, but
(07:41):
like it's a different level, Like it's okay, Alex Cooper
to her podcast is what I was to housewives. Yes
there are other people with podcasts, and yes, other podcasts
are wonderful, but like she is fucking Michael Jordan and
then there's everybody else. For my purview, I don't do listen.
I haven't been on the one with the three guys SmartLess,
(08:04):
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I haven't been on Joe Rogan, you know, But.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I can't wait to be on and do a comparison
because I'm not a dummy and I know a good interviewer.
So either she was in the pocket that day with
me because the subject matter she related to, or she
just is in the pocket and makes it look easy.
And by the way, having been on Ellen twenty five times.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Literally, that's not easy either.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
She made it look easy running around in the games
and it's next and come up and laughing and surprises
and jumping out of the box. It's not an easy
thing to do. It's not an easy thing to do.
But this is a different breed and a different animal,
and I respected it and I'm giving her her flowers.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I really really am.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And for me, I used to make jokes about me
as a creator and say it's a garage band. It
is no longer a garage band. It is very much
a real business sometimes with you guys. In the best
possible way, I feel like this is just a garage band.
It's like my own little, you know, garage band. It's
the way that I need to and love to do it.
I don't love sitting down being shackled with I'm supposed
to ask someone get things. I'm supposed to get clickbait,
(09:03):
I'm supposed to get clicked on. It's like, I just
like talking to you guys and bullshitting. That's what I like.
So that's what it is, Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I've been wanting to talk about people who are.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Having another chapter or creating a new chapter, like I've
watched Lisa Rinna and be in fashion Week and her
daughters or models and her wardrobe change drastically on the Housewives,
and she evolved into something different, and I think she's
done different campaigns and she goes to Paris and wears
like big, very avant garde, elaborate, very it's fashion, it's
(09:32):
cauture honey clothes, and I think that's good. I think
it's nice for someone to have their next chapter and
do things that they're interested in. And maybe it started
as a hobby and then she gets to monetize it,
or it's just a passion project, or you know, like myself,
you get to be of a certain age and just
like redefine what you're doing because maybe you've made some money,
(09:53):
or maybe your kids are grown, or you're just more
creative because you're not as goal oriented, and then differ
and things come. I don't know if this is a
real career or if this is just a hobby, but
it seems like she's probably going to make some money
on it or at least have a great time doing
it. It seems like Derinda is djaying. I haven't seen her, actually,
dj I've just seen her like with the headphones on
(10:15):
and maybe at events or talking about it or but
I like, good for her, like go on, like these
are people who made it onto Housewives and this is
the next chapter. And I love that it's different because
Melissa is still on the show, but her is a
Sprinkle Cookies. But that's different because she's still on the show.
(10:43):
So people are criticizing the met gala because it's evolving,
it's changing, and someone was liked, has it jumped the shark?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I'm like, what's shark? No, they always criticized it.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
They criticized it because it's some Carl Lagerfeld theme and
I guess either he was racist or there was some
problem with him.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Every year it's new thing that gets criticized, the theme,
the people, the hosts, every past but yet every year
everyone's watching and it gets bigger and bigger. Okay, everyone
wants to criticize Anna Winter or she's a fucking HBI
C and she's moved on from Vogue, And at that point,
Lauren Sanchez was I think on the cover of Vogue,
and I think that they might be friends or I'm
(11:21):
sure Lauren and Jeff have donated in some way, and
people criticize that. I don't know what the hell people
think Vogue is, but it's a for profit institution and
there are very few things that are preserved in whatever
they started as. And if this was preserved in what
it started as, the met galowis people in just nice gowns.
Tom Ford didn't like when it became pomp and circumstance,
(11:41):
when it became costumes, but that's what it is now,
that's evolution. Housewives started with me in a freaking hand
me down cashmeir sweater and no makeup. Now it's people
wearing ABCDFG head to toe and like full costumes to
go nowhere.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No one had glam when I was coming.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Up, like glam a big crazy disruption, and now it's
like there's never kno glam, and now there's never not
stylists and like, that's evolution. So the meccala like every
other fucking thing in the world, like crumble cookies, like
Starbucks having food. Now, like everything that has ever existed
for a profit, the mechcala has evolved. Okay, Lauren Sanchez
(12:20):
was on the cover. People had a big problem with it. Okay,
why why she's now well known. Okay, Oh, where did
she come from? She just married someone wealthy. Okay, well,
Kim Kardashian started with a sex tape.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Guess what.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Let's not take away from her and her family that
they are the Kennedy's and they're fucking gangsters, and they're
making tons of money and are moving markets and are
creating influence and have power.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Like it or not, that's a fact. These are facts. Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
They're moving product and influence in this country. They've got
television shows, They've got scripted television shows with big name
brands like Hulu and Ryan Murphy.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Okay, so get on or get out of the way.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So Laurence Sanchez married Jeff Bezos, one of the most
powerful wealthy men in the world, and they glowed each
other up.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
That was a merger. That was like Kim and Kanye.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
When the sum was greater than its parts, like George
and Amal, when the sum is greater than its parts,
like David Beckham and Victoria, when the sum was greater
than its parts, Blake Lively and Ryan some greater than parts.
Like it or don't, it's a fact. These are facts.
So she marries Jeff she has her own program. He's
got his own program. He's an icon, he's a mogul.
(13:32):
She likes fashion. Okay, she wasn't a fashionista before. Neither
was Kim Kardashian. Kanye leveled up her fashion game. Neither
was Lisa, Rinna, Erika, Jane and the Housewives leveled her
fashion game up. People are allowed to have been something different. Okay,
So Laurence into fashion. Now she can afford different fashion.
Now she can go to Paris Fashion Week. Now it's
(13:52):
a trained art. No one was born out of the
vagina with a stylist.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
All these people in Hollywood have stylists anyway, So it's
bullshit or it's not like it's fashion, but it's fashion
that's trained, taught, bought, sought and styled. So Laurence Sanchez
marries Jeff, she's in Vogue. People are I guess why?
No one knows, who cares? Who's anyone? Who is anyone?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So now she's on the cover and now she and
Jeff are hosting the Metala.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Good they'll find a way to level it up and
donate it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Where is the core preserved original sour dough starter culture?
Everyone's trying to preserve Charlie d'milia or the other one,
Addison Ray or Charlie Demilia. They were at the Mechala.
They're influencers. That's a new era, that's a new genre.
So guess what coming from Hollywood being married to one
(14:48):
of the most powerful, successful, brilliant tech people in the
world and then hosting the metch gala. Okay, Kim Kardashian
and the bar that she didn't pass the bar? JFK Junior.
I think a couple of times didn't pass the bar.
Who cares? I could not get through the online real
estate exam. Okay, some people think I'm very smart. Mark
(15:12):
Cuban like is quoted as being like she's one of
the great marketing geniuses. Like Kevin O'Leary would say I'm smart.
The head of CIA would saym smart. Jeff Bezos, I
had dinner with him. I said a couple of things.
He would probably say, I'm smart. Okay, I'm not sure.
I think I'm relatively smart.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I'm very smart in certain ways. Okay, I could not
get through the quizzes at the end of the real
estate exam online. I was frustrated. I would fail. I
would go back, they would tell you the answer, I'd
go back and fail again.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I stopped. I quit.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I couldn't get a real estate exam, which would save
me so much money, because I've flipped so many properties. Literally,
during the pandemic, I moved like six properties. I have
done a lot of real estate for a normal person,
for like a normal civilian, I could not so. Kim
Kardashian smart, has been smart, has good work ethic. People
say she's nice, she shows up on time, She's very
(16:05):
fucking successful. I don't care if she doesn't pass the
bar a hundred times. I don't know that the bar
is an indication of intelligence any more than that real
estate exam is. Because I hated it and I failed
the quizzes, and I never went back like I hated it.
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