November 11, 2025 • 17 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
So I want to say something about birthdays, which is
I typically don't like my birthday. The lower the expectation,
the less I act like it's my birthday, the better.
But there has to be some version of a reflection
otherwise than it's more depressing because it's like it didn't
even happen.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So it's a weird dance.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And it's not that I'm self involved, and who gives
a shit that it's my birthday? Like I don't love
many holidays. I just find it to be this build
up and was it what you expected?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And are you in a relationship? And are you not?
And what's the meaning?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
And it's really just a whole thing, And many people
do understand. And the crash out for me is really
only on my birthday. People think it's when I'm eating
seafood in a hotel room, or when I'm dancing hip
hop on the way to a date and a sexy outfit,
none of these or eating cottage cheese or food on
my face, none of these things are the crash out.
The crash out is in fact my birthday. That is,
(01:11):
when at some point it happened for me, It was
the day before my birthday. This time, I slept twice
during the day. I was a fucking zombie. I just
felt depressed and weird. I was reflecting on a past relationship.
I was even contemplating getting back together with a past relationship.
(01:34):
And I corrected myself because I think that moments of
vulnerability and reflection and meaning and holidays can fuck around
with us, and I think that that is risky and
tricky business. If you know yourself and you're somewhat like that,
you need a low lift, like you need just to
(01:57):
do something, but not try to do everything. You're not
to try to hit a home run. You're supposed to
go easy, give yourself grace, be rested, do something meaningful.
My birthday meaning was getting in bed with my daughter
this morning before she went to school. Her alarm went off.
She likes to keep snoozing it, and we laid together
and had the most beautiful snuggle, Like to me, that's
(02:20):
my rose, that's my birthday. Just a snuggle with my
child because we've been butting heads about different things and
there's something that's going on in her life that she's
a little upset about and it's ultimately upsetting me.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And we've been.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Bickering and just to crawl into bed with her this
morning and her to say, it's your special day, Mama,
it's your special day, and then me to lay with
her was like all that I really need.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's all that I really need.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I just want to go out to dinner with her
and just love her and just be with her, and
like that's what I need.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I have my person. You know.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It doesn't mean I don't want to be in a relationship.
It doesn't mean I'm not being intentional about that. It
means that this is where I am right now, and
I'm okay. It's an okay, it's an okay birthday. It's
also a milestone birthday. But I also don't give a
shit about that stuff I've said before. Age is not
(03:11):
just a number, it's a fact. So it's a lot
of reflecting, a lot of connecting. And I could be
a little bit of a curmudgeon about it, meaning I'm like,
everyone wants to send me a cake and flowers and stuff,
and I'm like, just spend it on your kids, spend
it on yourself, don't spend it on me.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't need it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I have everything I could possibly want in my life.
So like spend it on yourself. But I love you guys,
and all of you who message me and are so supportive.
That means so much to me. I can't explain it.
It's like the little things. It's and then what I
spent the whole morning doing. To be honest, everybody that
(03:53):
wished me a happy birthday, I asked them for their
birthday so I could put it in the calendar because
I end up feeling guilty for people wishing me a
happy birthday. And I ended up going through gifts to
give a gift to Laney, who used to work with
me because she's still in New York and I'm going
to see her my former sort of housekeeper life partner,
and gifts for Brynn's friends because it's birthdays coming up.
(04:13):
I love gift giving. I'm not as good at gift
receiving someone that i've been dating. Literally brought over eight
gifts last night in a cake and I opened two
of the gifts. And I'm going little by little throughout
the day because I'm not the best gift getter.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
But I.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Want gifts because I don't want to feel like nothing happened.
So anyway it sounds narcissistic and self involved. I'm just
explaining a dynamic. I'm totally fine, totally happy. It's ultimately
just a day, but should be treated a little differently.
But I wanted to come on here even though I
thought I wouldn't, because I wanted to spend it with you,
And as it pertains to someone that I thought.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I might revisit, we really can't go backwards.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know. There are reasons that we end with people,
and we sometimes gaslight ourselves. I love that word into thinking.
It was one thing and some circumstances have changed and
it could be different and I don't know. And also
it's what I said to you before. If you're a
(05:16):
woman and a man, isn't hardcore pursuing you immediately? No
one man that's been pursuing me, it's like he wants
to sort of see me every month, Like that is
one thing at a certain age that you're gonna be
like I don't need to be with you every day
and you to be coming over here and me seeing
(05:36):
you every day like we're twenty five and what are
we ordering in in Netflix and chill every night? But
also like if you're a man and you're successful, and
you can, you know, are retired and you could do
what you want, like I don't really need to like
have you making me a convenience like seeing me when
you can? So I'm absolutely not interested in that. And
(05:57):
also at this age, it's very different age and stage,
it's difficult to understand what to look for.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Are you looking for a life.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Partner that you're going to be amazing that you grow
old with, who's just going to be loving and supportive
and a good guy. Are you looking for someone that
is amazing in bed and takes care of you that way?
Are you looking for someone to take care of you financially?
I am not, but I'm also not looking to take
care of someone financially. Are you looking for logic just
like a good friend that you can spend your life with.
(06:26):
It's just an interesting thing because I just don't know
that many people who have really hit it right, and
that's why many people are alone and choose. Many people
choose to be alone. I want for my daughter the
family dynamic. I want it for myself. So I'm trying
to be very open, but not open so much that
(06:49):
I allow myself to be chosen and not be the
chooser so, but I do know that I'm not going backwards,
and I do know that I'm not doing the majority
of the lift. I'll meet someone halfway. I'll be a partner,
just like in business, but I'm not doing the majority
of the lift, particularly with it as it pertains to
(07:10):
a woman and a man, like I just believe that
men should pursue. I do. If you're a lesbian or
you're gay, then that's going to be a different dynamic.
But I'm saying for a heterosexual dynamic for me and
the people that are signing up with this dating concept,
I believe that you should be pursued. So I was
(07:32):
trying to go backwards and fit a square into a circle.
And I think it's partially because it's rough out there
and it's scary, and you don't know whether or not
you should keep swimming to shore or go back to
where you started, a place that you really didn't want
to be, because you wouldn't have started swimming to shore
if you were so happy. So in those cases, if
(07:54):
you go back, you know, each time, and those like
shipwreck shows or movie or in Yellowjackets or whatever it is,
they're constantly trying to get off this island and get
back home. And it happened with Tom Hanks in Castaway
and then something happens or there's a hole in the boat,
and you get discouraged and you go back, but like
(08:17):
you don't want to be back. You just started to
give up. So don't give up your happiness. That's why
I was talking about Jennifer Aniston and the guy Jim
Curtis that I have met in my life and briefly knew.
I was happy she didn't have a child. She didn't
have a child on her own. She didn't want to
do that. I suppose she didn't stay married. She's a
beautiful woman. She's a wealthy, successful Hollywood actress. She could
(08:40):
have just grabbed somebody, but she waited until her time
was right, or she decided when her time was right,
like a man does, whatever it is. I think I
talked about it because I wanted it to be hopeful
for all of you, if that's what you want. So
that's what I have to say about that. So today
(09:13):
is my birthday, and it's my mother's birthday. I was
born on my mother's birthday. On this podcast, I cried
on the internet after she died. I just sat down,
I poured it out, I gave it to you. I
connected with you, I shared it with you. A lot
of things that were difficult. I was born in my
mother's twentieth birthday. Think about being twenty and having a child.
(09:34):
Many of you know that from either your parents or
some of you have that, but it's not common and
it's hard to even fathom that in five years from
now my daughter would be a mother. So I was
born on my mother's birthday, not ready to be a mother,
and not fit to be a mother, not a fit mother,
not a role model in ninety nine point nine percent
of the ways. But I believe that somehow that is
(09:57):
embedded in my birthday experience. It's just like I'm connected
to her, and she passed away, and she was the
most complicated, challenging relationship of my life. And my hair
is standing up on my arms, and I want to
be so different than her in so many ways, and
there are many ways that I am like her, and
I also respect some of who she was like from
(10:22):
superficial from a superficial aspect to the fact that she
looked like Michelle Feifer and she had that like blue
convertible Mercedes that I just bought and renovated, to being
super smart, really sharp, like really good at trivia, to
be having a sharp tongue and aggressive, and to the
nostalgia of her to like the Angelie perfume commercials, the
(10:43):
Capri skinny cigarettes, the Virginia slims, the tab.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That era.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Like she is a reflection of that era. I don't
know how many of you had like a seventies eighties
mom and how quintessentially your mom was a seventies eighties
New York mom. But for me, it's all the music,
like the music native New Yorker. My mother was a
city woman. She had gay friends, like all kinds of
(11:09):
gay friends and kaftans, long before people were having gay
friends in kaftans. You know, in high school there were
people that I now realized definitely were gay men and women,
but like they're just when I was in high school,
like no one was out, like no one was not
even accepting. It wasn't even that no one accepted anyone.
Gay people just did not even It just wasn't on
(11:32):
the menu. So that was my But my mother had
get gay hairdresser friends and was going to Studio fifty
four and like wearing all the sheet clothing and had
very few pieces of a layah and chainlink and like
just she was a vibe. She was a fucking seventies
eighties vibe, a disaster, a mess, an alcoholic, a beliemic,
(11:55):
like all the things I mean. But you know that
was the that was like think of. But that was
the generation of no seatbelts, smoke while you're pregnant, drink
while you're pregnant, open the fucking back door, let your
kids out. You'll see him at eight o'clock at night.
Parents that did not work were with their kids less
than parents now that work a full time job because
(12:17):
it was smoke a cigarette, have a glass of wine,
let your kids out the back door, Pray for the
best free range parenting. See you on the weekend, and
still won't see you. I just have to talk about
work from home again because I'm looking to get canceled.
So I did a show with Kevin O'Leary and we
battled and we debated about work from home. Now, people
(12:38):
haven't been on all sides of this. I've talked to
major CEOs running major companies, and most of those like
sort of very successful, wealthy, old school CEOs don't love
the full work from home concept. They don't love it.
I don't love it. Martha Stewart doesn't love it. But
we're old dogs, right, and maybe like young people really
do love it. Many people that work with me are more,
(13:00):
are productive, they get so much done, they want to
be with their families, They're happier, they have more balance.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I'm going to push back, and I'm going to say
one thing, creativity does die a little bit with collaboration
if you're in a business that requires collaboration and connectivity.
For me, maybe people are more productive, but I don't
know overall with work, if people are necessarily more work
happy and fulfilled in work, which is part of life.
(13:30):
And the reason I say this is I have these
silos and these people that work with me, that work
in slack channels and texts and zooms and you know,
WhatsApps and and all this, and yes, they get a
lot done, and I have a very successful business, but
I'm craving connectivity. I don't want my people here every
single day. I definitely don't at all because I'm one
(13:52):
of these people too. I'm the work from home person too.
I always was, but I'm not looking to go into
any office and put an outfit on and do that.
I'm not looking to drive their drive home. I'm not
looking to do that. But I am looking to spend
some time with people that I work with and them
to spend time with each other and everyone east in
New York and in Florida, to all be together sometimes,
(14:12):
whether it's a group dinner, a retreat, a cocktail, a laugh,
Like you get suffocated in like these little spaces. And
I do have people that come in like maybe one
or two hours a week to do certain things that
I have to do, other people that are here more often,
but it's just not that connective. And I feel like
people must be somewhat more lonely in this work from
home life must be somewhat so Anyway, I'm not saying
(14:36):
I want to change it, because I live it more
than anyone, But I am saying there's something to what
an X of mine used to refer to as the
raw raw shit in business, Like how is everyone getting together?
How are you taking people on a team dinner, how
you know? Things like that. I just think I want
more like connectivity, I want more collaboration more. I know,
(15:00):
not that it can be a little more like soul crushing,
doing certain creative things and trying to explain to my
team how to help me be more creative because I'm
not with them as much, They're not getting to know
me as much. When I go on business trips and
I'm with people that I work with, like we laugh
a lot. They get to see what I eat, how
I'm crazy, how I'm fun, how I want to go dance,
(15:21):
I want to have a cocktail, How I'm like a
little kid at work. I seem like I'm just like,
you know, all business, all work and no play, you know,
and I'm not that at all.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So anyway, just food for thought.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I don't know how this is all going to evolve,
but I would like to keep exploring being more open
and having my team with each other more and myself
with them. And I need to do more of the
raw rush it. Do the raw rush it, have the
holiday dinner, do the team dinner. Do the Danielle who
works with me does like cookie making, parties with the team,
(15:55):
brace slip making, like they collaborate, they hang out.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I don't know that I'm I'm jealous because I'm not
that girl, but I'm jealous that she is that person,
like that she can do that. I think it's important
for us to connect. I think social media has made
it that everyone's face is down at their phone. People
don't meet people in bars anymore. People are only on apps,
people are only swiping. Like the human connection, the human
(16:21):
interaction is dying as we know it, and I think
that is.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
A little bit soul crushing.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I am going to put on my caviar pajamas the
plight of having too much caviar. I'm going to open
the biggest tan of caveo that's in my fridge that
I must use up, and I'm gonna just shovel it
in like a fucking unhinged animal, seafood boil in my
hotel room style. It's about to go down. The crash
(16:53):
out is happening soon. Oh and the red velvet cake.
My suitor sent me a red velvet cake last night
and it was beautiful and just to all my gifts
that I'm going to go open. I love you, guys.
I am happy, I am healthy, I am grateful, and
I'm grateful for you.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So happy birthday to myself. Bye.
So I want to say something about birthdays, which is
I typically don't like my birthday. The lower the expectation,
the less I act like it's my birthday, the better.
But there has to be some version of a reflection
otherwise than it's more depressing because it's like it didn't
even happen.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So it's a weird dance.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And it's not that I'm self involved, and who gives
a shit that it's my birthday? Like I don't love
many holidays. I just find it to be this build
up and was it what you expected?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And are you in a relationship? And are you not?
And what's the meaning?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
And it's really just a whole thing, And many people
do understand. And the crash out for me is really
only on my birthday. People think it's when I'm eating
seafood in a hotel room, or when I'm dancing hip
hop on the way to a date and a sexy outfit,
none of these or eating cottage cheese or food on
my face, none of these things are the crash out.
The crash out is in fact my birthday. That is,
(01:11):
when at some point it happened for me, It was
the day before my birthday. This time, I slept twice
during the day. I was a fucking zombie. I just
felt depressed and weird. I was reflecting on a past relationship.
I was even contemplating getting back together with a past relationship.
(01:34):
And I corrected myself because I think that moments of
vulnerability and reflection and meaning and holidays can fuck around
with us, and I think that that is risky and
tricky business. If you know yourself and you're somewhat like that,
you need a low lift, like you need just to
(01:57):
do something, but not try to do everything. You're not
to try to hit a home run. You're supposed to
go easy, give yourself grace, be rested, do something meaningful.
My birthday meaning was getting in bed with my daughter
this morning before she went to school. Her alarm went off.
She likes to keep snoozing it, and we laid together
and had the most beautiful snuggle, Like to me, that's
(02:20):
my rose, that's my birthday. Just a snuggle with my
child because we've been butting heads about different things and
there's something that's going on in her life that she's
a little upset about and it's ultimately upsetting me.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And we've been.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Bickering and just to crawl into bed with her this
morning and her to say, it's your special day, Mama,
it's your special day, and then me to lay with
her was like all that I really need.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's all that I really need.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I just want to go out to dinner with her
and just love her and just be with her, and
like that's what I need.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I have my person. You know.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It doesn't mean I don't want to be in a relationship.
It doesn't mean I'm not being intentional about that. It
means that this is where I am right now, and
I'm okay. It's an okay, it's an okay birthday. It's
also a milestone birthday. But I also don't give a
shit about that stuff I've said before. Age is not
(03:11):
just a number, it's a fact. So it's a lot
of reflecting, a lot of connecting. And I could be
a little bit of a curmudgeon about it, meaning I'm like,
everyone wants to send me a cake and flowers and stuff,
and I'm like, just spend it on your kids, spend
it on yourself, don't spend it on me.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't need it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I have everything I could possibly want in my life.
So like spend it on yourself. But I love you guys,
and all of you who message me and are so supportive.
That means so much to me. I can't explain it.
It's like the little things. It's and then what I
spent the whole morning doing. To be honest, everybody that
(03:53):
wished me a happy birthday, I asked them for their
birthday so I could put it in the calendar because
I end up feeling guilty for people wishing me a
happy birthday. And I ended up going through gifts to
give a gift to Laney, who used to work with
me because she's still in New York and I'm going
to see her my former sort of housekeeper life partner,
and gifts for Brynn's friends because it's birthdays coming up.
(04:13):
I love gift giving. I'm not as good at gift
receiving someone that i've been dating. Literally brought over eight
gifts last night in a cake and I opened two
of the gifts. And I'm going little by little throughout
the day because I'm not the best gift getter.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
But I.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Want gifts because I don't want to feel like nothing happened.
So anyway it sounds narcissistic and self involved. I'm just
explaining a dynamic. I'm totally fine, totally happy. It's ultimately
just a day, but should be treated a little differently.
But I wanted to come on here even though I
thought I wouldn't, because I wanted to spend it with you,
And as it pertains to someone that I thought.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I might revisit, we really can't go backwards.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know. There are reasons that we end with people,
and we sometimes gaslight ourselves. I love that word into thinking.
It was one thing and some circumstances have changed and
it could be different and I don't know. And also
it's what I said to you before. If you're a
(05:16):
woman and a man, isn't hardcore pursuing you immediately? No
one man that's been pursuing me, it's like he wants
to sort of see me every month, Like that is
one thing at a certain age that you're gonna be
like I don't need to be with you every day
and you to be coming over here and me seeing
(05:36):
you every day like we're twenty five and what are
we ordering in in Netflix and chill every night? But
also like if you're a man and you're successful, and
you can, you know, are retired and you could do
what you want, like I don't really need to like
have you making me a convenience like seeing me when
you can? So I'm absolutely not interested in that. And
(05:57):
also at this age, it's very different age and stage,
it's difficult to understand what to look for.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Are you looking for a life.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Partner that you're going to be amazing that you grow
old with, who's just going to be loving and supportive
and a good guy. Are you looking for someone that
is amazing in bed and takes care of you that way?
Are you looking for someone to take care of you financially?
I am not, but I'm also not looking to take
care of someone financially. Are you looking for logic just
like a good friend that you can spend your life with.
(06:26):
It's just an interesting thing because I just don't know
that many people who have really hit it right, and
that's why many people are alone and choose. Many people
choose to be alone. I want for my daughter the
family dynamic. I want it for myself. So I'm trying
to be very open, but not open so much that
(06:49):
I allow myself to be chosen and not be the
chooser so, but I do know that I'm not going backwards,
and I do know that I'm not doing the majority
of the lift. I'll meet someone halfway. I'll be a partner,
just like in business, but I'm not doing the majority
of the lift, particularly with it as it pertains to
(07:10):
a woman and a man, like I just believe that
men should pursue. I do. If you're a lesbian or
you're gay, then that's going to be a different dynamic.
But I'm saying for a heterosexual dynamic for me and
the people that are signing up with this dating concept,
I believe that you should be pursued. So I was
(07:32):
trying to go backwards and fit a square into a circle.
And I think it's partially because it's rough out there
and it's scary, and you don't know whether or not
you should keep swimming to shore or go back to
where you started, a place that you really didn't want
to be, because you wouldn't have started swimming to shore
if you were so happy. So in those cases, if
(07:54):
you go back, you know, each time, and those like
shipwreck shows or movie or in Yellowjackets or whatever it is,
they're constantly trying to get off this island and get
back home. And it happened with Tom Hanks in Castaway
and then something happens or there's a hole in the boat,
and you get discouraged and you go back, but like
(08:17):
you don't want to be back. You just started to
give up. So don't give up your happiness. That's why
I was talking about Jennifer Aniston and the guy Jim
Curtis that I have met in my life and briefly knew.
I was happy she didn't have a child. She didn't
have a child on her own. She didn't want to
do that. I suppose she didn't stay married. She's a
beautiful woman. She's a wealthy, successful Hollywood actress. She could
(08:40):
have just grabbed somebody, but she waited until her time
was right, or she decided when her time was right,
like a man does, whatever it is. I think I
talked about it because I wanted it to be hopeful
for all of you, if that's what you want. So
that's what I have to say about that. So today
(09:13):
is my birthday, and it's my mother's birthday. I was
born on my mother's birthday. On this podcast, I cried
on the internet after she died. I just sat down,
I poured it out, I gave it to you. I
connected with you, I shared it with you. A lot
of things that were difficult. I was born in my
mother's twentieth birthday. Think about being twenty and having a child.
(09:34):
Many of you know that from either your parents or
some of you have that, but it's not common and
it's hard to even fathom that in five years from
now my daughter would be a mother. So I was
born on my mother's birthday, not ready to be a mother,
and not fit to be a mother, not a fit mother,
not a role model in ninety nine point nine percent
of the ways. But I believe that somehow that is
(09:57):
embedded in my birthday experience. It's just like I'm connected
to her, and she passed away, and she was the
most complicated, challenging relationship of my life. And my hair
is standing up on my arms, and I want to
be so different than her in so many ways, and
there are many ways that I am like her, and
I also respect some of who she was like from
(10:22):
superficial from a superficial aspect to the fact that she
looked like Michelle Feifer and she had that like blue
convertible Mercedes that I just bought and renovated, to being
super smart, really sharp, like really good at trivia, to
be having a sharp tongue and aggressive, and to the
nostalgia of her to like the Angelie perfume commercials, the
(10:43):
Capri skinny cigarettes, the Virginia slims, the tab.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That era.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Like she is a reflection of that era. I don't
know how many of you had like a seventies eighties
mom and how quintessentially your mom was a seventies eighties
New York mom. But for me, it's all the music,
like the music native New Yorker. My mother was a
city woman. She had gay friends, like all kinds of
(11:09):
gay friends and kaftans, long before people were having gay
friends in kaftans. You know, in high school there were
people that I now realized definitely were gay men and women,
but like they're just when I was in high school,
like no one was out, like no one was not
even accepting. It wasn't even that no one accepted anyone.
Gay people just did not even It just wasn't on
(11:32):
the menu. So that was my But my mother had
get gay hairdresser friends and was going to Studio fifty
four and like wearing all the sheet clothing and had
very few pieces of a layah and chainlink and like
just she was a vibe. She was a fucking seventies
eighties vibe, a disaster, a mess, an alcoholic, a beliemic,
(11:55):
like all the things I mean. But you know that
was the that was like think of. But that was
the generation of no seatbelts, smoke while you're pregnant, drink
while you're pregnant, open the fucking back door, let your
kids out. You'll see him at eight o'clock at night.
Parents that did not work were with their kids less
than parents now that work a full time job because
(12:17):
it was smoke a cigarette, have a glass of wine,
let your kids out the back door, Pray for the
best free range parenting. See you on the weekend, and
still won't see you. I just have to talk about
work from home again because I'm looking to get canceled.
So I did a show with Kevin O'Leary and we
battled and we debated about work from home. Now, people
(12:38):
haven't been on all sides of this. I've talked to
major CEOs running major companies, and most of those like
sort of very successful, wealthy, old school CEOs don't love
the full work from home concept. They don't love it.
I don't love it. Martha Stewart doesn't love it. But
we're old dogs, right, and maybe like young people really
do love it. Many people that work with me are more,
(13:00):
are productive, they get so much done, they want to
be with their families, They're happier, they have more balance.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I'm going to push back, and I'm going to say
one thing, creativity does die a little bit with collaboration
if you're in a business that requires collaboration and connectivity.
For me, maybe people are more productive, but I don't
know overall with work, if people are necessarily more work
happy and fulfilled in work, which is part of life.
(13:30):
And the reason I say this is I have these
silos and these people that work with me, that work
in slack channels and texts and zooms and you know,
WhatsApps and and all this, and yes, they get a
lot done, and I have a very successful business, but
I'm craving connectivity. I don't want my people here every
single day. I definitely don't at all because I'm one
(13:52):
of these people too. I'm the work from home person too.
I always was, but I'm not looking to go into
any office and put an outfit on and do that.
I'm not looking to drive their drive home. I'm not
looking to do that. But I am looking to spend
some time with people that I work with and them
to spend time with each other and everyone east in
New York and in Florida, to all be together sometimes,
(14:12):
whether it's a group dinner, a retreat, a cocktail, a laugh,
Like you get suffocated in like these little spaces. And
I do have people that come in like maybe one
or two hours a week to do certain things that
I have to do, other people that are here more often,
but it's just not that connective. And I feel like
people must be somewhat more lonely in this work from
home life must be somewhat so Anyway, I'm not saying
(14:36):
I want to change it, because I live it more
than anyone, But I am saying there's something to what
an X of mine used to refer to as the
raw raw shit in business, Like how is everyone getting together?
How are you taking people on a team dinner, how
you know? Things like that. I just think I want
more like connectivity, I want more collaboration more. I know,
(15:00):
not that it can be a little more like soul crushing,
doing certain creative things and trying to explain to my
team how to help me be more creative because I'm
not with them as much, They're not getting to know
me as much. When I go on business trips and
I'm with people that I work with, like we laugh
a lot. They get to see what I eat, how
I'm crazy, how I'm fun, how I want to go dance,
(15:21):
I want to have a cocktail, How I'm like a
little kid at work. I seem like I'm just like,
you know, all business, all work and no play, you know,
and I'm not that at all.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So anyway, just food for thought.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I don't know how this is all going to evolve,
but I would like to keep exploring being more open
and having my team with each other more and myself
with them. And I need to do more of the
raw rush it. Do the raw rush it, have the
holiday dinner, do the team dinner. Do the Danielle who
works with me does like cookie making, parties with the team,
(15:55):
brace slip making, like they collaborate, they hang out.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I don't know that I'm I'm jealous because I'm not
that girl, but I'm jealous that she is that person,
like that she can do that. I think it's important
for us to connect. I think social media has made
it that everyone's face is down at their phone. People
don't meet people in bars anymore. People are only on apps,
people are only swiping. Like the human connection, the human
(16:21):
interaction is dying as we know it, and I think
that is.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
A little bit soul crushing.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I am going to put on my caviar pajamas the
plight of having too much caviar. I'm going to open
the biggest tan of caveo that's in my fridge that
I must use up, and I'm gonna just shovel it
in like a fucking unhinged animal, seafood boil in my
hotel room style. It's about to go down. The crash
(16:53):
out is happening soon. Oh and the red velvet cake.
My suitor sent me a red velvet cake last night
and it was beautiful and just to all my gifts
that I'm going to go open. I love you, guys.
I am happy, I am healthy, I am grateful, and
I'm grateful for you.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So happy birthday to myself. Bye.
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Bethenny Frankel
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