October 15, 2025 • 14 mins
A look back at the best advice for breaking up, breaking off, and breaking out!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
So there's something I thought of recently. I don't know
where I was talking about this to someone. I don't
know if it was in therapy or there was somewhere
that I was talking about this. But there's a dynamic
that isn't discussed that much that goes on in divorce.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We had a podcast called Divorce. It exploded. It was
millions of Yews crazy. It just was a little bit
flying too close to the sun for me having gone
through an excruciating time and then talking about it, and
then my mother passed away and I was going through
a breakup. It was just like a lot to.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Unload.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
But there are concepts of divorce that I think should
be discussed because it was such a topic that people
were devouring. And one topic is if there's a contentious
divorce or break up, and let's say one person jilted
the other, or the other person hasn't gotten over one person,
(01:08):
or they've been hurt either during their relationship or during
the divorce, and there's a child involved the parent.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
This happened with me.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh I was doing an interview the other day for
this podcast, and someone asked me about my relationship with
my real father and there was a resentment towards me
that was completely unwarranted and irrational because it started at
a time when I was like five years old, I
was living with my real father. Because the story goes,
(01:41):
and I always say the story goes because people tell
their kids things. And I said to this guy that
I grew up in a house of liars, So don't
I never know what exactly is true and what's not true,
but what the story went that my mother, And not
until you're an age where you're going through real life
things like divorce, et cetera, do you start to understand
(02:02):
the messages that were being sent to you as a kid.
So the story went that, and it tracks that my
mother and father broke up and that she wanted to
be in New York. He moved to California. I was
with him in California because he said he wouldn't support
me or pay for me unless I was living with him. Now,
(02:25):
I don't know what money she did or didn't have
to pay for divorce lawyers. I don't know what the
system was like back then. It certainly wasn't like it
is now. And I do know that for years, I
don't think he really paid child support.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I do know that.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So I was living with him and I missed her.
I didn't want to be there with him. It was
a very wild sort of drugs and the seventies and
young women and just like a racetrack lifestyle. And her
lifestyle was horrendous too, But I wanted. A kid wants
(02:58):
to be with their mother often for whatever reason. I
I missed her and wanted to be with her, and
I did go back to her, I think at like five.
So I then didn't really have anything to do with him,
and saw him once when I was thirteen, and he
the resentment of me had already started, like he's sort
of I remember him saying he was throwing his hands
(03:18):
up with the situation.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
There was a time.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Where he reached out when I was thirteen, wanted to
see each other, and then I was supposed to go
visit him.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Actually no, this was seven. When I was seven, I
was supposed to go visit him.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And because he was so successful and he didn't, I
had I had a high fever. My mother wouldn't let
me get on the plane because he didn't get me
a first class ticket. It was almost like she was
looking for an excuse so she wouldn't let me get
on the plane. And he then later said he was
washing his hands with the whole situation, which I remember,
and it meant to me with me and for years,
(03:52):
even when I reconnected with him later in college, when
he tried to sort of pursue me once I needed
him or wanted for him to be my father, try
to like in stuff like she a pet father at
water and like I'm gonna have a father At eighteen
or twenty or whatever old I was, he was kind
of resentful of me, and I used to try to
get something from him, and like he would withhold emotions
(04:13):
and like be sort of manipulative with me until till
he died. He was just he just he didn't care
for me, and he would he just was mean to me,
to be honest, And it really always felt like I
was my mother to him, even though I'm not like
my mother in many ways, but I think I was
my mother to him, and I think many in many divorces,
(04:35):
and it's not discussed enough, a parent resents the child
because they remind them of the ex Let's say that,
like you get divorced from a woman and she and
the daughter are very very close, and.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know, you.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Can't stand the mother. If the mother and the daughter
do a lot of things together and the daughter really
looks up to and loves the mother, and let's say,
you in subtle ways, you know, try to allude to
the mother not being great or said bad things to
the kid about the mother, but it didn't work. You know,
there's like some resentment that lies there. And I just
think it's a dynamic that needs to be watched. And
(05:14):
I also think it's a dynamic that's extremely toxic and
that should be mitigated or eliminated at all costs. And
I just think the kids are put in the middle
in ways that aren't always discussed. So I think there's
just a dynamic where parents resent the child or a son,
(05:34):
like a mother with the son if the son is
really into sports and wants to do everything the father
wants to do, and the mother feels left out and
she can't stand the father and she starts to see
that her son is reminding her or acting more like
the father. That's going to be challenging. So and it
doesn't mean that someone can't remind you of someone that
you hate and still be a good person. It just
means that it probably would be triggering. You know you
(05:56):
just even if someone looks like someone that would be hard.
What if you can't stand someone they cheated on you,
whatever they did, they fucked you over, and then your
kid looks exactly like them. I just don't hear anyone
talk about that enough, so I thought of it during
this interview. So, if you're dating and you're going through
(06:25):
a breakup, okay, if you're going through any sort of breakup.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
A lot of people are asking me about breakups. It's
a new year.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
People stayed with people through the holidays, which is a
big thing. You don't want to deal with it around Thanksgiving,
but then oh it's Christmas. Then you don't want to
be alone on New Year's Eve. Now it's fucking New Year.
The world's been coming to an end. January is forty
two months long. It's insane. It's like January ninety ninth.
And now people are like, wait, I am still in
the same relationship and I'm going through a breakup.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
People talk all the time about dating. I talk about it.
We don't talk about breaking up and juice fast. For example,
getting into a juice fast, you should ease into a
gew fast. Then you go hard and when you come
off of it, you're not supposed to just drink a
martini and have a cheeseburger, otherwise you end up in
the hospital. So you have to have a mode, a
modus operandi for breaking up. One thing is if you
(07:13):
ultimately really know that you're not going to be with
this person, which is impossible because you could intellectually know
you're not going to be with someone but emotionally miss
them and want the fix. So what you ultimately really
have to do is detox from them. And there are
many different ways. Some people get off the drug going
cold turkey, some people need to take a little hit
(07:34):
or do the methadone clinic. Okay, so you have to
be honest with yourself. But in neither of those situations
is it ever good to go back and binge on
the drug and take the drug. So we can go
through a whole thing about this, because we're always talking
about dating. But what I would say is there's a
discipline to it, just in the way that there's a
discipline to being healthy. So if a relationship wasn't working
(07:56):
for you, whether somebody breaks up with you or you
break up with them, and you can break up with
someone and also have a goal in mind. You can
break up with someone you can know they're not right
with you for you, but you need to get off
the sauce somehow, and you're not ready to fully go
cold turkey, so you can somehow maintain some connection. Let's
say they reach out to You can smile, you can
put a thumbs up, you can put a heart on it.
(08:17):
You're kind of like taking the smallest hit. It's like
micro dosing the person. But you're not giving them anything.
You're not moving it forward. You're not telling them you
love them, you're not calling them, you're not telling them
you miss them.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You're just sort of in their ether.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And that gives you time to get off the sauce
and get like most of it out of your system.
So then a, either you can get to the point
where they're fully out of your system. B. Because they're
fully out of your system, they're freaking out that you're
not missing them and that you're able to do this
because invariably they probably think you can't handle it without them,
and they're running the same game that you are. They
(08:50):
may be out having sex to medicate, they could be
partying to medicate. They could be crying, they could be
doing the same thing. They could be playing a game.
You don't fucking know. But you have to detox, and
you can have two things going on at the same
time where by way of you detoxing from the person,
they are also freaking out because they can't believe you
(09:13):
don't need the drug.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And if you go.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Take a hit off the pipe, they then know you
need the drug. They've got you hooked, they know you're
going to come back for more. They've got a little
dime bag waiting for you. So just know that that
you could be a strategist by also going you know,
not not breaking the diet, not going on the sauce,
but also you're being an emotional strategist where you're helping
(09:37):
yourself because you're getting off of it. Other people would
just believe in in cold turkey, some people would believe
go if the other person, If you love someone, you
set them free, if if it was meant to be,
they'll come back to you and like it doesn't matter.
You don't have to overthink everything and you don't have
to be like, wait, well I didn't call them, so
maybe they don't know I love them, or they don't
know I miss them. You know, if someone wants to
be with you, they're going to fucking show you. If
someone shows you who they are or what they want
(10:01):
or what they don't want or how they feel, bah
leave them.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The other thing is when you're in this phase, they
don't get to like have you for like pen pal
talks like, they don't get to be like, oh hey
did you go? Oh thought of you and send a
picture then you send something back, because that's a hit.
That's taking a small hit. You can get by. They
can get by too. They will never need to know
or feel what it's like to be without you. And
(10:27):
so that's again something that helps you emotionally, but it's
also a strategy, meaning what you're gonna it's the cow
and the milk, Like you're gonna give them the banter,
which equals what a lot of a relationship is. A
lot of times people miss each other because of the companionship,
because of the best friendship. It's the cigarette you took
a hit off of all day. It's like a tick.
You just talk to this person, you called them, you
(10:48):
sent them pictures. They would just like you picked up
the phone to call them, You send them emojis, you
send them videos, you inside jokes like, that's a lot,
day and day out. It's not like you're just missing
like the sex. Maybe on a Saturday night when you're wasted,
you're missing the sex because you're horny or something, or
you're lonely and you're hitting Sunday scaries. That happens, but
day and day out, it's kind of the habit. So
(11:08):
if you give them a hit off the pipe, they're
getting the cat. You know why, by the cow they
have to feel like, and why would you give them
just some of you. It's a rose. It has petals
and thorns. They're gonna have to take the thorns with
the petals because giving them the little hits all day
long and the cuteness about you and you're being a friend,
that's the petals without the thorns. They're taking an a
(11:29):
la carte menu. They're walking in and going I want
this and that, but I don't want the rest, and
you're just sitting there giving it to them. It's almost
like an emotional booty call. It really actually is like
an emotional booty call. They text you and want you
just to say something back is the equivalent of like,
hey want to hook up later. I want to meet
up later. You get weak, you just want the hit,
you want to see them, you want to get laid.
(11:49):
You'll go, You'll feel lower the next day. So the
same thing happens emotionally. You want to take a little hit.
It makes you feel worse after. It makes you feel
worse after you have a scratch you on it, itch
you fucking ride it through like a sugar craving, like
a like like someone who needs to go to a meeting.
You talk to a therapist, you talk to a friend,
(12:09):
you take a nap, you watch a movie, you organize
your closet, you go do something, you cook something, you
hug your kid, you watch, you do whatever the fuck
it it is you need to do instead of sitting there.
You know, and sometimes sitting there is okay. Like let's
say you're laying down and you're going to bed, or
you're meditating to avoid thinking about something means you're not
massaging it and working it through. If you have a calm,
(12:31):
clear mind, you can work through and really logically be
like is this what I ultimately want? Or am I
wanting this because it's like a gamification of the system,
because it's just like I miss something. Is this how
I want to live? Is what it was? How I
want to feel when we were together, when we were apart,
Like what is it all entail? What was I in?
And do I want to do that again? And do
(12:51):
I want to do that again for the right reasons?
And if I take a hit and I go back
in now, I'm gonna have to go through detox all
over again. So you better make sure that the other
person is giving you exactly what you want to go
back otherwise it's the definition of insanity. Why would you
go back to the same thing that you felt bad
in because you're scared, because you're scared of being alone.
(13:13):
Absolutely not. You got through the bad peer. You got
to go all the way through because otherwise you go
right back, right back, and you'll have the shakes and
the sweats, and you got to go through detoks all
over again. Because while people will evolve, some people don't change.
And the only people that change are people that drastically
want to change that come and say like I am
(13:34):
scared straight, I fucked up. I love you. I can't
imagine life without you. How can I change? What can
we do If someone isn't there, they're not worth your time,
because then you're gonna be dragging them. You're gonna be
pulling them. It's like pulling a sled. So I just
think that I talked about my divorce a lot. I've
(13:55):
talked about dating a lot. We can talk about breaking up.
It doesn't have to be so drastic into just getting
together and falling in love or getting a vicious, brutal divorce.
We can talk in the middle about what it's like
to just go through a breakup, and it's really really
fucking hard, and fear gets in the way of truth.
Fear is literally like when people our shit, I'll be alone.
(14:17):
I'm no one's ever gonna treat me that way. I'm
never gonna find somebody again, et cetera. So that's what
I have to say about that. So we're adding breakups
into the talk about makeups and dating.
So there's something I thought of recently. I don't know
where I was talking about this to someone. I don't
know if it was in therapy or there was somewhere
that I was talking about this. But there's a dynamic
that isn't discussed that much that goes on in divorce.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We had a podcast called Divorce. It exploded. It was
millions of Yews crazy. It just was a little bit
flying too close to the sun for me having gone
through an excruciating time and then talking about it, and
then my mother passed away and I was going through
a breakup. It was just like a lot to.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Unload.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
But there are concepts of divorce that I think should
be discussed because it was such a topic that people
were devouring. And one topic is if there's a contentious
divorce or break up, and let's say one person jilted
the other, or the other person hasn't gotten over one person,
(01:08):
or they've been hurt either during their relationship or during
the divorce, and there's a child involved the parent.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
This happened with me.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh I was doing an interview the other day for
this podcast, and someone asked me about my relationship with
my real father and there was a resentment towards me
that was completely unwarranted and irrational because it started at
a time when I was like five years old, I
was living with my real father. Because the story goes,
(01:41):
and I always say the story goes because people tell
their kids things. And I said to this guy that
I grew up in a house of liars, So don't
I never know what exactly is true and what's not true,
but what the story went that my mother, And not
until you're an age where you're going through real life
things like divorce, et cetera, do you start to understand
(02:02):
the messages that were being sent to you as a kid.
So the story went that, and it tracks that my
mother and father broke up and that she wanted to
be in New York. He moved to California. I was
with him in California because he said he wouldn't support
me or pay for me unless I was living with him. Now,
(02:25):
I don't know what money she did or didn't have
to pay for divorce lawyers. I don't know what the
system was like back then. It certainly wasn't like it
is now. And I do know that for years, I
don't think he really paid child support.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I do know that.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So I was living with him and I missed her.
I didn't want to be there with him. It was
a very wild sort of drugs and the seventies and
young women and just like a racetrack lifestyle. And her
lifestyle was horrendous too, But I wanted. A kid wants
(02:58):
to be with their mother often for whatever reason. I
I missed her and wanted to be with her, and
I did go back to her, I think at like five.
So I then didn't really have anything to do with him,
and saw him once when I was thirteen, and he
the resentment of me had already started, like he's sort
of I remember him saying he was throwing his hands
(03:18):
up with the situation.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
There was a time.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Where he reached out when I was thirteen, wanted to
see each other, and then I was supposed to go
visit him.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Actually no, this was seven. When I was seven, I
was supposed to go visit him.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And because he was so successful and he didn't, I
had I had a high fever. My mother wouldn't let
me get on the plane because he didn't get me
a first class ticket. It was almost like she was
looking for an excuse so she wouldn't let me get
on the plane. And he then later said he was
washing his hands with the whole situation, which I remember,
and it meant to me with me and for years,
(03:52):
even when I reconnected with him later in college, when
he tried to sort of pursue me once I needed
him or wanted for him to be my father, try
to like in stuff like she a pet father at
water and like I'm gonna have a father At eighteen
or twenty or whatever old I was, he was kind
of resentful of me, and I used to try to
get something from him, and like he would withhold emotions
(04:13):
and like be sort of manipulative with me until till
he died. He was just he just he didn't care
for me, and he would he just was mean to me,
to be honest, And it really always felt like I
was my mother to him, even though I'm not like
my mother in many ways, but I think I was
my mother to him, and I think many in many divorces,
(04:35):
and it's not discussed enough, a parent resents the child
because they remind them of the ex Let's say that,
like you get divorced from a woman and she and
the daughter are very very close, and.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know, you.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Can't stand the mother. If the mother and the daughter
do a lot of things together and the daughter really
looks up to and loves the mother, and let's say,
you in subtle ways, you know, try to allude to
the mother not being great or said bad things to
the kid about the mother, but it didn't work. You know,
there's like some resentment that lies there. And I just
think it's a dynamic that needs to be watched. And
(05:14):
I also think it's a dynamic that's extremely toxic and
that should be mitigated or eliminated at all costs. And
I just think the kids are put in the middle
in ways that aren't always discussed. So I think there's
just a dynamic where parents resent the child or a son,
(05:34):
like a mother with the son if the son is
really into sports and wants to do everything the father
wants to do, and the mother feels left out and
she can't stand the father and she starts to see
that her son is reminding her or acting more like
the father. That's going to be challenging. So and it
doesn't mean that someone can't remind you of someone that
you hate and still be a good person. It just
means that it probably would be triggering. You know you
(05:56):
just even if someone looks like someone that would be hard.
What if you can't stand someone they cheated on you,
whatever they did, they fucked you over, and then your
kid looks exactly like them. I just don't hear anyone
talk about that enough, so I thought of it during
this interview. So, if you're dating and you're going through
(06:25):
a breakup, okay, if you're going through any sort of breakup.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
A lot of people are asking me about breakups. It's
a new year.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
People stayed with people through the holidays, which is a
big thing. You don't want to deal with it around Thanksgiving,
but then oh it's Christmas. Then you don't want to
be alone on New Year's Eve. Now it's fucking New Year.
The world's been coming to an end. January is forty
two months long. It's insane. It's like January ninety ninth.
And now people are like, wait, I am still in
the same relationship and I'm going through a breakup.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
People talk all the time about dating. I talk about it.
We don't talk about breaking up and juice fast. For example,
getting into a juice fast, you should ease into a
gew fast. Then you go hard and when you come
off of it, you're not supposed to just drink a
martini and have a cheeseburger, otherwise you end up in
the hospital. So you have to have a mode, a
modus operandi for breaking up. One thing is if you
(07:13):
ultimately really know that you're not going to be with
this person, which is impossible because you could intellectually know
you're not going to be with someone but emotionally miss
them and want the fix. So what you ultimately really
have to do is detox from them. And there are
many different ways. Some people get off the drug going
cold turkey, some people need to take a little hit
(07:34):
or do the methadone clinic. Okay, so you have to
be honest with yourself. But in neither of those situations
is it ever good to go back and binge on
the drug and take the drug. So we can go
through a whole thing about this, because we're always talking
about dating. But what I would say is there's a
discipline to it, just in the way that there's a
discipline to being healthy. So if a relationship wasn't working
(07:56):
for you, whether somebody breaks up with you or you
break up with them, and you can break up with
someone and also have a goal in mind. You can
break up with someone you can know they're not right
with you for you, but you need to get off
the sauce somehow, and you're not ready to fully go
cold turkey, so you can somehow maintain some connection. Let's
say they reach out to You can smile, you can
put a thumbs up, you can put a heart on it.
(08:17):
You're kind of like taking the smallest hit. It's like
micro dosing the person. But you're not giving them anything.
You're not moving it forward. You're not telling them you
love them, you're not calling them, you're not telling them
you miss them.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You're just sort of in their ether.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And that gives you time to get off the sauce
and get like most of it out of your system.
So then a, either you can get to the point
where they're fully out of your system. B. Because they're
fully out of your system, they're freaking out that you're
not missing them and that you're able to do this
because invariably they probably think you can't handle it without them,
and they're running the same game that you are. They
(08:50):
may be out having sex to medicate, they could be
partying to medicate. They could be crying, they could be
doing the same thing. They could be playing a game.
You don't fucking know. But you have to detox, and
you can have two things going on at the same
time where by way of you detoxing from the person,
they are also freaking out because they can't believe you
(09:13):
don't need the drug.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And if you go.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Take a hit off the pipe, they then know you
need the drug. They've got you hooked, they know you're
going to come back for more. They've got a little
dime bag waiting for you. So just know that that
you could be a strategist by also going you know,
not not breaking the diet, not going on the sauce,
but also you're being an emotional strategist where you're helping
(09:37):
yourself because you're getting off of it. Other people would
just believe in in cold turkey, some people would believe
go if the other person, If you love someone, you
set them free, if if it was meant to be,
they'll come back to you and like it doesn't matter.
You don't have to overthink everything and you don't have
to be like, wait, well I didn't call them, so
maybe they don't know I love them, or they don't
know I miss them. You know, if someone wants to
be with you, they're going to fucking show you. If
someone shows you who they are or what they want
(10:01):
or what they don't want or how they feel, bah
leave them.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The other thing is when you're in this phase, they
don't get to like have you for like pen pal
talks like, they don't get to be like, oh hey
did you go? Oh thought of you and send a
picture then you send something back, because that's a hit.
That's taking a small hit. You can get by. They
can get by too. They will never need to know
or feel what it's like to be without you. And
(10:27):
so that's again something that helps you emotionally, but it's
also a strategy, meaning what you're gonna it's the cow
and the milk, Like you're gonna give them the banter,
which equals what a lot of a relationship is. A
lot of times people miss each other because of the companionship,
because of the best friendship. It's the cigarette you took
a hit off of all day. It's like a tick.
You just talk to this person, you called them, you
(10:48):
sent them pictures. They would just like you picked up
the phone to call them, You send them emojis, you
send them videos, you inside jokes like, that's a lot,
day and day out. It's not like you're just missing
like the sex. Maybe on a Saturday night when you're wasted,
you're missing the sex because you're horny or something, or
you're lonely and you're hitting Sunday scaries. That happens, but
day and day out, it's kind of the habit. So
(11:08):
if you give them a hit off the pipe, they're
getting the cat. You know why, by the cow they
have to feel like, and why would you give them
just some of you. It's a rose. It has petals
and thorns. They're gonna have to take the thorns with
the petals because giving them the little hits all day
long and the cuteness about you and you're being a friend,
that's the petals without the thorns. They're taking an a
(11:29):
la carte menu. They're walking in and going I want
this and that, but I don't want the rest, and
you're just sitting there giving it to them. It's almost
like an emotional booty call. It really actually is like
an emotional booty call. They text you and want you
just to say something back is the equivalent of like,
hey want to hook up later. I want to meet
up later. You get weak, you just want the hit,
you want to see them, you want to get laid.
(11:49):
You'll go, You'll feel lower the next day. So the
same thing happens emotionally. You want to take a little hit.
It makes you feel worse after. It makes you feel
worse after you have a scratch you on it, itch
you fucking ride it through like a sugar craving, like
a like like someone who needs to go to a meeting.
You talk to a therapist, you talk to a friend,
(12:09):
you take a nap, you watch a movie, you organize
your closet, you go do something, you cook something, you
hug your kid, you watch, you do whatever the fuck
it it is you need to do instead of sitting there.
You know, and sometimes sitting there is okay. Like let's
say you're laying down and you're going to bed, or
you're meditating to avoid thinking about something means you're not
massaging it and working it through. If you have a calm,
(12:31):
clear mind, you can work through and really logically be
like is this what I ultimately want? Or am I
wanting this because it's like a gamification of the system,
because it's just like I miss something. Is this how
I want to live? Is what it was? How I
want to feel when we were together, when we were apart,
Like what is it all entail? What was I in?
And do I want to do that again? And do
(12:51):
I want to do that again for the right reasons?
And if I take a hit and I go back
in now, I'm gonna have to go through detox all
over again. So you better make sure that the other
person is giving you exactly what you want to go
back otherwise it's the definition of insanity. Why would you
go back to the same thing that you felt bad
in because you're scared, because you're scared of being alone.
(13:13):
Absolutely not. You got through the bad peer. You got
to go all the way through because otherwise you go
right back, right back, and you'll have the shakes and
the sweats, and you got to go through detoks all
over again. Because while people will evolve, some people don't change.
And the only people that change are people that drastically
want to change that come and say like I am
(13:34):
scared straight, I fucked up. I love you. I can't
imagine life without you. How can I change? What can
we do If someone isn't there, they're not worth your time,
because then you're gonna be dragging them. You're gonna be
pulling them. It's like pulling a sled. So I just
think that I talked about my divorce a lot. I've
(13:55):
talked about dating a lot. We can talk about breaking up.
It doesn't have to be so drastic into just getting
together and falling in love or getting a vicious, brutal divorce.
We can talk in the middle about what it's like
to just go through a breakup, and it's really really
fucking hard, and fear gets in the way of truth.
Fear is literally like when people our shit, I'll be alone.
(14:17):
I'm no one's ever gonna treat me that way. I'm
never gonna find somebody again, et cetera. So that's what
I have to say about that. So we're adding breakups
into the talk about makeups and dating.
Host
Bethenny Frankel
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