December 13, 2022 • 19 mins
Plastic surgery… the who, what, where, when, why, and how much? Bethenny goes into full-on honesty mode on the subject matter but…stops short of naming names. Or does she?!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
I want to talk about plastic surgeons. This is important.
I did the plastic surgeon shop. I did a plastic
surgery hall. I did the meet and greet, I did
it all. I'm not going to name names right now,
but I'm going to name types of doctors, and we're
going into it. First. I went to the guy who
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has become a hot shot doctor. The reputation is they're
just churning and burning and doing many, many, many procedures.
Now there are specialists. So there's a guy that years
ago did a lit I did did a boob lift.
I always had bigger boobs even growing up, and they
were just they just were like hanging early because they
were just big and gravity means they're gonna hang. Um.
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So I years ago got a lift from a man
named Dr Baker. He was expensive. It was very expensive,
like people could be getting them for six thousand, five thousand,
eight thousand, and I guess there's some sort of formula,
and it's for plastic surgery. Like facelifts, it's five It
can be up to five times cheaper in Florida, which
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isn't even a cheap place, but New York is the
most expensive. Okay, l A is probably a very close second.
But I think New York is the most expensive, and
I think everybody really goes to New York, so um,
and the prices are going to astound you. So the
boobs were like fourteen thousand back then, but I know
people could get them for three five, six eight. That
was like the best. And you're not really trying to
funk around with things like this, so uh, you know,
(01:42):
it is what it is. Um. So that was a
boob guy. Now it doesn't mean he's not a plastic surgeon,
doesn't do lightbo suction and other things. I guess that
was a boob guy. There's a housewife who's um was
on Miami and I guess they're getting a divorce. The
Hackstein and that guy he has he just sold like
he has like a fifty million dollar house on Star
and in Miami. He's a boom guy in Miami. So
(02:02):
he's just booming it up. He's booming it all day long.
There was a guy years ago, Dr Diamond, and you
could tell his nose jobs. He was the nose guy.
The first guy was like the guy that everyone says
like he's gotten really popular. He's done many housewives and
he's churning and burning. Okay, And I went to this
person and this person was um, you know, hip and
(02:22):
cool and UM came in for me. Many of these
people came in on that day for me, was their
day off or that not the day they're doing surgery,
but very nice and complimentary and um. Many of them
told me, you just chronologically looking at your face, your
face looks forty eight years old, and that between forty
eight and fifty two fifty three is when the optimal
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time is if you want to do some sort of
version of a lift. Now, I've had friends who have
done their eyes. They get that they have that droopy
eye syndrome. It could be hooded eyes or just their
eyes are drooping, or they have extra skin they're sagging.
I don't have that issue. That's one problem. Another problem
my friends have had is that neck like a turkey neck. Okay,
I don't. I have a little bit of that. I mean,
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I am of a certain age, but I don't. That's
not like a problem for me. It's not the thing
that's bothering me. Where these two women or these several
women have had One woman I know had an eye issue,
another woman a drew by I issue. Another woman is
saggy skin, eye issue. One friend the turkey neck, another
the jowls bothered her. This is gravity. Your skin is
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falling on your face. So while you may say to
somebody they don't need something, or you hear about all
these people getting something done, in many cases the argument
is that these are things to do. They are locking
the door before you get robbed. You don't have to
agree with any of this. You could think it's ridiculous.
I'm just going to talk you through it. The forty
eight fifty three is about you are getting older. Your
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skin will fall, You'll lose elasticity and collagen and actually
fat in your face, and you will get that sort
of hollow it's right near your dimples, like it's a
hollow in your face because everything's coming down. That's why
the gel's form, because the skin is coming down. That's
why the turkey neck happens, because the skin is coming down.
And presumably if you start with that eye problem, that
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skin is coming down also. So those are popular things,
and um some people go in they really want a
big change, like they tell the doctor. Some people want
nobody to notice anything. It's just like you've got a
good night's sleep. Some people want to look ten years younger.
Other people want to look ten times better, but not younger,
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because many people look good, but they look done. They
look like they've had something, and that, to me is
not good. But some people really want that as the
as the plastic surgeons told me, l a look the
Beverly Hills, Look, the Upper east Side. Look. It's a look.
You know the look. You've seen it. It's shiny, it's plastic.
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It can be jokery. Here's another thing. If you decide
you're going to do it, do it right. Do not
cheap out on this. If you can't afford to do it,
it's better to not do it. Okay, don't cheap out
on something important. Do a lot of research. My friend
found somebody for twenty thousand dollars, including the overnight stay,
to do a facelift. Other people have paid a hundred
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and fifty dollars in New York and got the exact
same result. It doesn't mean that expensive is better because
the most expensive person I saw I found to be
not the best, and I have reasons why. So that's
one thing. This is just not something to go on
a money saving expedition for and you have to think
about what your goals are. One person, because my only
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thing that really bothers me about my face is the
line going under my nose across when you smile. There's
a big line. And one person said, if I do
a liplift that sounded fine liplift grade, that it would
be gone. Another person said that it would be partially
gone if they did a liplift, but they wouldn't do
a liplift on me because you will look very different.
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And I know a friend who did a up lift
and it kind of lips. You lifts your lip off
and then you're going to see more of your teeth,
if that's something that you care about. But like like
everything else, your lip is drooping too, it's falling. So
the third person said that they that they would not
even do a liplift and that a lip lift wouldn't
even do anything for that line, that there's nothing that
can be done for that line. So one person said
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that line would go away with a liplift. The second
person said it would only go away partially and that
they wouldn't do it because you look very different. The
third doctor said, nothing will ever take away that line. So,
and guess what, I believed every person, every single thing
they said. This is why it's complicated, and you have
to do your research, and you have to really look
up reviews and talk to other people because this is frightening.
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You're sucking around with your face. Okay, so one person
said to me, and it was almost three it was
like three hundred thousand dollars to do what they wanted
you to do. Okay, you needed a lip lift, you
needed something up top by your eyes, you needed something
at the bottom, all of these things when you weren't
even sure you needed anything. Second of all, it makes
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sense that you're supposed to take care of yourself and
locked the door before you get robbed. What was also
indicated to me by many people is that earlier is better.
Someone very famous in this industry said to me, everyone
has done something. You are late, not pressuring me, just
saying they're all lying and you're not even at the
beginning of this. Because I thought, oh, I'm not sixty five,
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so I'm at the beginning of this. I am not
at the beginning of this. Forty eight to fifty two
is the optimal time to do something, because when you
get into your sixties, it will last less time. I've
heard this from many people. So if you do something
between forty eight and fifty two on the average, or
with a face that looks forty eight fifty two on
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the average, it should last like fifteen years, and some
people say that they could last forever. I had an
excellent lift that I overpaid for and I have had
it for fifteen years and I and everything looks great.
I wouldn't change a thing. So if you get it
done in your sixties, this is also a general's but
more often than not, it will only last seven years
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because you've come in a little bit late into the process.
And there's also a lot more to do. There's a
lot more to cut. So these are things to think
about if you don't you know, just to think about,
if you want to think about it, if you want
to be educated. I went one time last year or
two years ago just to get educated, to hear what
they had to say, and didn't do anything. I'm not
against this. I'm not saying I'm doing something, but I
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wanted to hear so the first person gave me the
full fledged liplift. I think the droopiness that the next thing,
all of it, I was going to come out perfect.
I'm sure I was going to be a living doll,
but no one would notice. L O L. That's a
person that one of my very famous friends said, Hell, no,
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funked up my friend's face. That's a person that I
saw someone's work and didn't like and was a little nervous.
But then have another friend that went to them that
looks amazing. So that's a situation where it's either that
my friend who went to them and looks amaze sing
dodged a bullet um the other person wanted all that
crazy look. I don't know, but here's another thing that
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I heard from these doctors. If they are doing work
on some bad work you've had before, they can only
work with what they've already what's coming in there. That's scary.
Now you've gone for the cheapo job and now you
get Now it's like anything else. You buy something shitty
and then you go in and you end up spending
the money to get the real thing. You eat something
you didn't really want to eat because you were trying
to like not eat the real, good quality thing or
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eat the thing you really wanted. Then you've eatn the
shitty thing and then you go back and eat the real,
good quality thing. So the point is, if you're going
to do something, fucking do it right and research, because
what you don't want is to go into a doctor.
They've got to clean up an old mess, and no
matter how good they are, it's gonna look like shit.
So that's scary. Okay. So the first guy was a
little bit more of a hot shot, does a lot
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of this and seemed more like, let's do it all.
The second guy, which was what very recommended to me
as the air mes of these guys, was actually, you know,
took me into a very private space. It seemed very
professional in private, even from within the office, and um,
I had to wait like ten minutes. Paul came with
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me and really really just seemed like they knew the
most of anybody. I can't even explain. There was a
calmness to them. And it wasn't just that they said,
I don't want it to look like you've had anything done,
because everybody's gonna say the same thing. They want natural,
They're all gonna say the same thing. This person, though,
thought it was a terrible idea for me to get
a liplift for that line, said that it's going to
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be you will look very different. And you are on TV,
you're forward facing. You know, remember when Jennifer Gray got
her nose done the girl from Dirty Dancing and it
was like drastic, or you've seen Nicole Kiman or Meg
Ryan and just that all this work was drastic and
you don't even know what was done. And to me
more and all these people, um, some of the Kardashians,
Like he said, you've you got a lip lift to
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fix that line, which is the only thing bothering you.
It could look very different. You know, this is not
supposed to be done, so you're supposed to look perfect.
Maybe it's just a little bit of like preventative sagging.
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So um, he just seemed very mature, not in an
old way where he just seemed like he knew what
he was doing and there was a confidence to him.
And they're speaking your language, they understand your needs. Then
I met another person that I thought was lovely sweet.
It seemed like almost a junior version of this other
very professional person, likely less expensive because the second person
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was was literally a third of the price of the
hot shot person who wanted me to do the whole
menu was a third of the price, still a fortune
a fortune, but the third person, I believe is arguably
is less expensive and seemed like a very very fine option,
could be excellent, would do great work. There were a
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lot of people around the office, and I didn't feel
the privacy that I would desire, Meaning if I were
to do something like this, I don't want to be
part of a coffee clutch. I know in any office,
people are gonna talk, and they're gonna know them coming
in there, and it's not going to be a secret
because I'm telling you about it. But I don't want
to feel like I'm walking into like a group, you know,
water cooler conversation with a bunch of people that work
in office. So Paul noted that he's like I. It
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seemed a little more juvenile. It seemed like we're it
was a little more collegiate, and he didn't like that
aspect of it. We want sort of the down the
hall into the private office, come through the back tour experience.
That's what he wanted for me, even though we know
everybody's gonna know, and I'm gonna tell everybody, but on
my own fucking terms. I just felt a little uncomfortable,
but was perfectly good. And then again my friend and
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I haven't seen her in a while since she had
it done, so I'll have to comment later. But she
got it done for about a fifth of the price
of these quotes, and she looks good. The point is,
it's very confusing. The one thing, and I will tell
you this. One of the people the last time I
went to look two years ago, said did you ever
have filler? And I had had it one time uptown UM.
I had had filler because I had gotten my job
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botox to reduce it, which takes is a gradual process.
It's not just in one day. But then my I
had that hollow thing I was telling you about, and
so my dermatologists said that I should put some filler
in UM. And I did find no problem. It was
very light, it didn't matter. I don't remember noticing it.
Who cares. I think I bruised. But they the plastic
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surgeon had seen that I had had once said filler.
He said, it's firm. I guess it never goes away
or it stays there. That's scary, but I guess it
just stays there or forever. I don't know. You can't
see it. I don't have it in It was like
a long time ago. It's gone down, but I guess
two years ago he had seen it. What they all
say is botox is no problem. You could do botox.
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So the cows come home. That filler is not good.
I don't know why they said. They said the strings,
there's like a Merrionette thing. I know, Sonya was public
about doing it, like they put a bunch of strings
in your face to pull it up. They all said
that was bullshit. They said all therapy they said that
was bullshit. They said that the filler, which is a
lot of that Hollywood you see, that looks like, you know,
shiny like round high chipmunk cheekbones, which also can be
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a lift. But that look that like jokery look, and
that like glossy like high cheekbone look, which I have.
None of This um is all from all that filler
ship and that string ship and that old therapy ship.
And they all said that ship is bad. Don't do
that ship. So while everybody had a different opinion about
everything and what you should do and what you shouldn't do,
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and how much it costs and whatever. Every one person
wants you to go to an oxygen tank and a
hyperbaric champ chamber and stay in a hotel next door
and do appeal. And everybody's a different program, believe me.
And they're still all making money and they're probably making
million a year, so don't worry. Um. But everybody said
that the filler ship is bad, that you're chasing youth.
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The filler is because you just want to chase youth
and not do this plastic surgery stuff. So that's another
level of bad. And you know, I'd rather just age
gracefully and do nothing then look like a fucking filled clown.
So it seems to be that botox if you choose
to do it, well, you know, which I will do
like once or twice a year if I remember, is
good and also preventative, and that all that other ship
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that doctors are trying to sell you is not going
to get you where you need to get because your
skin is still going to fault, and that it's going
to look fake and that it's bullshit. So that was
my plastic surgery tour. Um. I'm not sure what I'm
going to do, but I believe that at some point
I will do something. I don't know what and I
don't know how, but I do I agree that I
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look like forty eight years old in my actual features
and face. Um, people always are telling you, you know,
oh god, she's getting old. She got older. Yeah, I'm
getting older. There is a clock right now. I think
it's I think I'm older than when we started this podcast,
to be honest, so I am aging. I just wanted
to do to know that. I went on a fact
finding mission. And if you do want to do something thing,
you should probably do it between forty and fifty three
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because it's all coming down. So if you do know
and you don't have to do anything, and people look
totally beautiful and um, like my fiance's mother is old,
you know, older, and she looks gorgeous and she's never
had anything done. There are certain people that haven't had
anything done look amazing. Because you're allowed to have a face,
you're allowed to age, you're allowed to have wrinkles. I'm
just saying, if there's something that bothers you, and mine
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is that line over my lip, and I can't even
control that anyway, So whatever that means to you. Filler
in the lip is to have a bigger lip. That's
a little different than filler in the face. I guess
if you want a bigger lip, then that's your own choice. Um,
And the lip lift will show more of your teeth
and be a lip lift. I mean, if you you're
allowed to also want, like we put makeup on and
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we put a hot pink, you know, nails on, you're
allowed to want a little bit of a worked look.
That woman, Hakstein, who is married to the plastic surgeon,
has had everything done and you can see it. But
like that, you know, she looks worked, but it looks pretty,
and maybe she looks older because she's had work. My
assistant says, when she sees someone that looks like they've
obviously had plastic surgery, they just automatically look older to
her because they've had something done. And I know women
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in their sixties who look amazing. Their skin looks like
a porcelain doll, but they still look older because they
look like they've had something done. So Lisa Hackstein is
a great example of someone who's probably been open about
her work. I think she looks like a doll, but
like other people think that looks worked. Some people like
Erica Jayne looks like a doll. Different people look like
a doll. But I kind of don't mind that look.
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It just doesn't look good on me. Other people, like
the Kim Zulziac type people or these glamoramas, they look
like a doll. But like that's a look and you
are allowed to have, like a big, bulbous vpl. I
think it's called b b L or something. Ass and
curves and long extensions and nails and a thing. It's
just that it's going to look like a look, and
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that's something you have to want. Some girls can pull
off that doll look and look amazing, so that lip
lift is gonna get I would look and I don't
think it's who I am as a person walking around
in pajamas and show you my black circles and my
do my own hair. My own fiance gets his hair
cut by one person who'll only go to I'm like
I said to him last night, you're fucking going to
a specialized hairdresser. I literally do my own hair color.
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But in my house, I'll let anyone cut my hair,
so I don't seem like the one who needs to
look like a perfect doll. It just would seem a
little off brand, not just publicly inside my own body.
So you can fucking do it up Lisa Renist style
if you want. That's your own big you know, Collagen
lip look. And you know she's got the cheeks and
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the whole thing, and there's a look there that's totally fine.
It's a very Housewives look. The Beverly Hills look has
become the Housewives look and there's nothing wrong with that.
It just looks done. And me being in that pool
adjacent makes me notice it more too, where I'm like,
wait a second, I'm the only one who wasn't done anything.
I haven't done. I know they've all done plastic surgery
and I haven't done it. Um, So it's about your goals.
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What do you want? And yeah, you that filler look,
that Collagen look, you want that look look, go for
the look. So just know what you want before you
go in there.
I want to talk about plastic surgeons. This is important.
I did the plastic surgeon shop. I did a plastic
surgery hall. I did the meet and greet, I did
it all. I'm not going to name names right now,
but I'm going to name types of doctors, and we're
going into it. First. I went to the guy who
(00:35):
has become a hot shot doctor. The reputation is they're
just churning and burning and doing many, many, many procedures.
Now there are specialists. So there's a guy that years
ago did a lit I did did a boob lift.
I always had bigger boobs even growing up, and they
were just they just were like hanging early because they
were just big and gravity means they're gonna hang. Um.
(00:57):
So I years ago got a lift from a man
named Dr Baker. He was expensive. It was very expensive,
like people could be getting them for six thousand, five thousand,
eight thousand, and I guess there's some sort of formula,
and it's for plastic surgery. Like facelifts, it's five It
can be up to five times cheaper in Florida, which
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isn't even a cheap place, but New York is the
most expensive. Okay, l A is probably a very close second.
But I think New York is the most expensive, and
I think everybody really goes to New York, so um,
and the prices are going to astound you. So the
boobs were like fourteen thousand back then, but I know
people could get them for three five, six eight. That
was like the best. And you're not really trying to
funk around with things like this, so uh, you know,
(01:42):
it is what it is. Um. So that was a
boob guy. Now it doesn't mean he's not a plastic surgeon,
doesn't do lightbo suction and other things. I guess that
was a boob guy. There's a housewife who's um was
on Miami and I guess they're getting a divorce. The
Hackstein and that guy he has he just sold like
he has like a fifty million dollar house on Star
and in Miami. He's a boom guy in Miami. So
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he's just booming it up. He's booming it all day long.
There was a guy years ago, Dr Diamond, and you
could tell his nose jobs. He was the nose guy.
The first guy was like the guy that everyone says
like he's gotten really popular. He's done many housewives and
he's churning and burning. Okay, And I went to this
person and this person was um, you know, hip and
(02:22):
cool and UM came in for me. Many of these
people came in on that day for me, was their
day off or that not the day they're doing surgery,
but very nice and complimentary and um. Many of them
told me, you just chronologically looking at your face, your
face looks forty eight years old, and that between forty
eight and fifty two fifty three is when the optimal
(02:45):
time is if you want to do some sort of
version of a lift. Now, I've had friends who have
done their eyes. They get that they have that droopy
eye syndrome. It could be hooded eyes or just their
eyes are drooping, or they have extra skin they're sagging.
I don't have that issue. That's one problem. Another problem
my friends have had is that neck like a turkey neck. Okay,
I don't. I have a little bit of that. I mean,
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I am of a certain age, but I don't. That's
not like a problem for me. It's not the thing
that's bothering me. Where these two women or these several
women have had One woman I know had an eye issue,
another woman a drew by I issue. Another woman is
saggy skin, eye issue. One friend the turkey neck, another
the jowls bothered her. This is gravity. Your skin is
(03:26):
falling on your face. So while you may say to
somebody they don't need something, or you hear about all
these people getting something done, in many cases the argument
is that these are things to do. They are locking
the door before you get robbed. You don't have to
agree with any of this. You could think it's ridiculous.
I'm just going to talk you through it. The forty
eight fifty three is about you are getting older. Your
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skin will fall, You'll lose elasticity and collagen and actually
fat in your face, and you will get that sort
of hollow it's right near your dimples, like it's a
hollow in your face because everything's coming down. That's why
the gel's form, because the skin is coming down. That's
why the turkey neck happens, because the skin is coming down.
And presumably if you start with that eye problem, that
(04:09):
skin is coming down also. So those are popular things,
and um some people go in they really want a
big change, like they tell the doctor. Some people want
nobody to notice anything. It's just like you've got a
good night's sleep. Some people want to look ten years younger.
Other people want to look ten times better, but not younger,
(04:30):
because many people look good, but they look done. They
look like they've had something, and that, to me is
not good. But some people really want that as the
as the plastic surgeons told me, l a look the
Beverly Hills, Look, the Upper east Side. Look. It's a look.
You know the look. You've seen it. It's shiny, it's plastic.
(04:50):
It can be jokery. Here's another thing. If you decide
you're going to do it, do it right. Do not
cheap out on this. If you can't afford to do it,
it's better to not do it. Okay, don't cheap out
on something important. Do a lot of research. My friend
found somebody for twenty thousand dollars, including the overnight stay,
to do a facelift. Other people have paid a hundred
(05:14):
and fifty dollars in New York and got the exact
same result. It doesn't mean that expensive is better because
the most expensive person I saw I found to be
not the best, and I have reasons why. So that's
one thing. This is just not something to go on
a money saving expedition for and you have to think
about what your goals are. One person, because my only
(05:37):
thing that really bothers me about my face is the
line going under my nose across when you smile. There's
a big line. And one person said, if I do
a liplift that sounded fine liplift grade, that it would
be gone. Another person said that it would be partially
gone if they did a liplift, but they wouldn't do
a liplift on me because you will look very different.
(05:58):
And I know a friend who did a up lift
and it kind of lips. You lifts your lip off
and then you're going to see more of your teeth,
if that's something that you care about. But like like
everything else, your lip is drooping too, it's falling. So
the third person said that they that they would not
even do a liplift and that a lip lift wouldn't
even do anything for that line, that there's nothing that
can be done for that line. So one person said
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that line would go away with a liplift. The second
person said it would only go away partially and that
they wouldn't do it because you look very different. The
third doctor said, nothing will ever take away that line. So,
and guess what, I believed every person, every single thing
they said. This is why it's complicated, and you have
to do your research, and you have to really look
up reviews and talk to other people because this is frightening.
(06:41):
You're sucking around with your face. Okay, so one person
said to me, and it was almost three it was
like three hundred thousand dollars to do what they wanted
you to do. Okay, you needed a lip lift, you
needed something up top by your eyes, you needed something
at the bottom, all of these things when you weren't
even sure you needed anything. Second of all, it makes
(07:01):
sense that you're supposed to take care of yourself and
locked the door before you get robbed. What was also
indicated to me by many people is that earlier is better.
Someone very famous in this industry said to me, everyone
has done something. You are late, not pressuring me, just
saying they're all lying and you're not even at the
beginning of this. Because I thought, oh, I'm not sixty five,
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so I'm at the beginning of this. I am not
at the beginning of this. Forty eight to fifty two
is the optimal time to do something, because when you
get into your sixties, it will last less time. I've
heard this from many people. So if you do something
between forty eight and fifty two on the average, or
with a face that looks forty eight fifty two on
(07:43):
the average, it should last like fifteen years, and some
people say that they could last forever. I had an
excellent lift that I overpaid for and I have had
it for fifteen years and I and everything looks great.
I wouldn't change a thing. So if you get it
done in your sixties, this is also a general's but
more often than not, it will only last seven years
(08:04):
because you've come in a little bit late into the process.
And there's also a lot more to do. There's a
lot more to cut. So these are things to think
about if you don't you know, just to think about,
if you want to think about it, if you want
to be educated. I went one time last year or
two years ago just to get educated, to hear what
they had to say, and didn't do anything. I'm not
against this. I'm not saying I'm doing something, but I
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wanted to hear so the first person gave me the
full fledged liplift. I think the droopiness that the next thing,
all of it, I was going to come out perfect.
I'm sure I was going to be a living doll,
but no one would notice. L O L. That's a
person that one of my very famous friends said, Hell, no,
(08:46):
funked up my friend's face. That's a person that I
saw someone's work and didn't like and was a little nervous.
But then have another friend that went to them that
looks amazing. So that's a situation where it's either that
my friend who went to them and looks amaze sing
dodged a bullet um the other person wanted all that
crazy look. I don't know, but here's another thing that
(09:07):
I heard from these doctors. If they are doing work
on some bad work you've had before, they can only
work with what they've already what's coming in there. That's scary.
Now you've gone for the cheapo job and now you
get Now it's like anything else. You buy something shitty
and then you go in and you end up spending
the money to get the real thing. You eat something
you didn't really want to eat because you were trying
to like not eat the real, good quality thing or
(09:29):
eat the thing you really wanted. Then you've eatn the
shitty thing and then you go back and eat the real,
good quality thing. So the point is, if you're going
to do something, fucking do it right and research, because
what you don't want is to go into a doctor.
They've got to clean up an old mess, and no
matter how good they are, it's gonna look like shit.
So that's scary. Okay. So the first guy was a
little bit more of a hot shot, does a lot
(09:50):
of this and seemed more like, let's do it all.
The second guy, which was what very recommended to me
as the air mes of these guys, was actually, you know,
took me into a very private space. It seemed very
professional in private, even from within the office, and um,
I had to wait like ten minutes. Paul came with
(10:11):
me and really really just seemed like they knew the
most of anybody. I can't even explain. There was a
calmness to them. And it wasn't just that they said,
I don't want it to look like you've had anything done,
because everybody's gonna say the same thing. They want natural,
They're all gonna say the same thing. This person, though,
thought it was a terrible idea for me to get
a liplift for that line, said that it's going to
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be you will look very different. And you are on TV,
you're forward facing. You know, remember when Jennifer Gray got
her nose done the girl from Dirty Dancing and it
was like drastic, or you've seen Nicole Kiman or Meg
Ryan and just that all this work was drastic and
you don't even know what was done. And to me
more and all these people, um, some of the Kardashians,
Like he said, you've you got a lip lift to
(10:55):
fix that line, which is the only thing bothering you.
It could look very different. You know, this is not
supposed to be done, so you're supposed to look perfect.
Maybe it's just a little bit of like preventative sagging.
(11:18):
So um, he just seemed very mature, not in an
old way where he just seemed like he knew what
he was doing and there was a confidence to him.
And they're speaking your language, they understand your needs. Then
I met another person that I thought was lovely sweet.
It seemed like almost a junior version of this other
very professional person, likely less expensive because the second person
(11:39):
was was literally a third of the price of the
hot shot person who wanted me to do the whole
menu was a third of the price, still a fortune
a fortune, but the third person, I believe is arguably
is less expensive and seemed like a very very fine option,
could be excellent, would do great work. There were a
(12:02):
lot of people around the office, and I didn't feel
the privacy that I would desire, Meaning if I were
to do something like this, I don't want to be
part of a coffee clutch. I know in any office,
people are gonna talk, and they're gonna know them coming
in there, and it's not going to be a secret
because I'm telling you about it. But I don't want
to feel like I'm walking into like a group, you know,
water cooler conversation with a bunch of people that work
in office. So Paul noted that he's like I. It
(12:22):
seemed a little more juvenile. It seemed like we're it
was a little more collegiate, and he didn't like that
aspect of it. We want sort of the down the
hall into the private office, come through the back tour experience.
That's what he wanted for me, even though we know
everybody's gonna know, and I'm gonna tell everybody, but on
my own fucking terms. I just felt a little uncomfortable,
but was perfectly good. And then again my friend and
(12:43):
I haven't seen her in a while since she had
it done, so I'll have to comment later. But she
got it done for about a fifth of the price
of these quotes, and she looks good. The point is,
it's very confusing. The one thing, and I will tell
you this. One of the people the last time I
went to look two years ago, said did you ever
have filler? And I had had it one time uptown UM.
I had had filler because I had gotten my job
(13:05):
botox to reduce it, which takes is a gradual process.
It's not just in one day. But then my I
had that hollow thing I was telling you about, and
so my dermatologists said that I should put some filler
in UM. And I did find no problem. It was
very light, it didn't matter. I don't remember noticing it.
Who cares. I think I bruised. But they the plastic
(13:26):
surgeon had seen that I had had once said filler.
He said, it's firm. I guess it never goes away
or it stays there. That's scary, but I guess it
just stays there or forever. I don't know. You can't
see it. I don't have it in It was like
a long time ago. It's gone down, but I guess
two years ago he had seen it. What they all
say is botox is no problem. You could do botox.
(13:47):
So the cows come home. That filler is not good.
I don't know why they said. They said the strings,
there's like a Merrionette thing. I know, Sonya was public
about doing it, like they put a bunch of strings
in your face to pull it up. They all said
that was bullshit. They said all therapy they said that
was bullshit. They said that the filler, which is a
lot of that Hollywood you see, that looks like, you know,
shiny like round high chipmunk cheekbones, which also can be
(14:13):
a lift. But that look that like jokery look, and
that like glossy like high cheekbone look, which I have.
None of This um is all from all that filler
ship and that string ship and that old therapy ship.
And they all said that ship is bad. Don't do
that ship. So while everybody had a different opinion about
everything and what you should do and what you shouldn't do,
(14:33):
and how much it costs and whatever. Every one person
wants you to go to an oxygen tank and a
hyperbaric champ chamber and stay in a hotel next door
and do appeal. And everybody's a different program, believe me.
And they're still all making money and they're probably making
million a year, so don't worry. Um. But everybody said
that the filler ship is bad, that you're chasing youth.
(14:55):
The filler is because you just want to chase youth
and not do this plastic surgery stuff. So that's another
level of bad. And you know, I'd rather just age
gracefully and do nothing then look like a fucking filled clown.
So it seems to be that botox if you choose
to do it, well, you know, which I will do
like once or twice a year if I remember, is
good and also preventative, and that all that other ship
(15:19):
that doctors are trying to sell you is not going
to get you where you need to get because your
skin is still going to fault, and that it's going
to look fake and that it's bullshit. So that was
my plastic surgery tour. Um. I'm not sure what I'm
going to do, but I believe that at some point
I will do something. I don't know what and I
don't know how, but I do I agree that I
(15:41):
look like forty eight years old in my actual features
and face. Um, people always are telling you, you know,
oh god, she's getting old. She got older. Yeah, I'm
getting older. There is a clock right now. I think
it's I think I'm older than when we started this podcast,
to be honest, so I am aging. I just wanted
to do to know that. I went on a fact
finding mission. And if you do want to do something thing,
you should probably do it between forty and fifty three
(16:03):
because it's all coming down. So if you do know
and you don't have to do anything, and people look
totally beautiful and um, like my fiance's mother is old,
you know, older, and she looks gorgeous and she's never
had anything done. There are certain people that haven't had
anything done look amazing. Because you're allowed to have a face,
you're allowed to age, you're allowed to have wrinkles. I'm
just saying, if there's something that bothers you, and mine
(16:24):
is that line over my lip, and I can't even
control that anyway, So whatever that means to you. Filler
in the lip is to have a bigger lip. That's
a little different than filler in the face. I guess
if you want a bigger lip, then that's your own choice. Um,
And the lip lift will show more of your teeth
and be a lip lift. I mean, if you you're
allowed to also want, like we put makeup on and
(16:45):
we put a hot pink, you know, nails on, you're
allowed to want a little bit of a worked look.
That woman, Hakstein, who is married to the plastic surgeon,
has had everything done and you can see it. But
like that, you know, she looks worked, but it looks pretty,
and maybe she looks older because she's had work. My
assistant says, when she sees someone that looks like they've
obviously had plastic surgery, they just automatically look older to
her because they've had something done. And I know women
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in their sixties who look amazing. Their skin looks like
a porcelain doll, but they still look older because they
look like they've had something done. So Lisa Hackstein is
a great example of someone who's probably been open about
her work. I think she looks like a doll, but
like other people think that looks worked. Some people like
Erica Jayne looks like a doll. Different people look like
a doll. But I kind of don't mind that look.
(17:27):
It just doesn't look good on me. Other people, like
the Kim Zulziac type people or these glamoramas, they look
like a doll. But like that's a look and you
are allowed to have, like a big, bulbous vpl. I
think it's called b b L or something. Ass and
curves and long extensions and nails and a thing. It's
just that it's going to look like a look, and
(17:48):
that's something you have to want. Some girls can pull
off that doll look and look amazing, so that lip
lift is gonna get I would look and I don't
think it's who I am as a person walking around
in pajamas and show you my black circles and my
do my own hair. My own fiance gets his hair
cut by one person who'll only go to I'm like
I said to him last night, you're fucking going to
a specialized hairdresser. I literally do my own hair color.
(18:11):
But in my house, I'll let anyone cut my hair,
so I don't seem like the one who needs to
look like a perfect doll. It just would seem a
little off brand, not just publicly inside my own body.
So you can fucking do it up Lisa Renist style
if you want. That's your own big you know, Collagen
lip look. And you know she's got the cheeks and
(18:33):
the whole thing, and there's a look there that's totally fine.
It's a very Housewives look. The Beverly Hills look has
become the Housewives look and there's nothing wrong with that.
It just looks done. And me being in that pool
adjacent makes me notice it more too, where I'm like,
wait a second, I'm the only one who wasn't done anything.
I haven't done. I know they've all done plastic surgery
and I haven't done it. Um, So it's about your goals.
(18:56):
What do you want? And yeah, you that filler look,
that Collagen look, you want that look look, go for
the look. So just know what you want before you
go in there.
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Bethenny Frankel
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