March 19, 2024 • 10 mins
The latest celebrity fashion attempts, including underwear as pants: Are they hip, horrid or here to stay?
Plus, a name once associated as the poster girl for scandal gets a shot at redemption...and, deleted social media posts and what’s really behind them!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
When did everyone start wearing underwear as pants? Now, don't
get me wrong, I like when people are wearing sexy outfits.
I mean, Megan Fox has rocked that like none other.
I mean, we've got the j lo Versace dress and
we had Elizabeth Hurley safety Pin Versace dress. Like I'm
(00:34):
all for looking hot. I just don't know when underwear
became pants. This like briefs with tights.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Look and.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Gaga I saw years ago at Mark Burnett's house and
she was wearing a white T shirt and I believe
she was wearing fishnets and she was wearing like underwear
as pants or a bodysuit, and she nailed it and
she landed it. I'm sure it's something Madonna did years ago.
In fact, I think I remember it probably like in
a course it, you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Know, one piece body suit.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But like some people are unicorns and can land it,
Madonna can land it. Gaga landed it and sort of
started it. From my perspective, the first person I ever
saw do that was Lady Gaga. And you are fashion
experts and will correct me and tell me you know
the cave woman that first started this trend.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I don't know for a fact.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I just know that the first human being that I
ever saw wearing stockings and briefs as pants or the
bottom portion of an outfit was Lady Gaga at Mark
Burnett's house and it landed and she looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And it's very her.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But like non Lady Gaga type people that are now
wearing it, it just looks very forced.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
This is the thing about fashion, and I just really
want to talk about it because Anna Wintour wears the
same necklaces, you know, more than once, and she's had
the same.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Hairstyle, and she dresses.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
She has beautiful clothes, but she's not performative in the
way she's dressing. It's not like a circus. She's not
sort of just trying to show how fashionable she is.
And she's the most influential person in fashion, not even
one of she is the most influential person in fashion.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And I always bring.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
This up because Tom Ford said that he didn't like
when people wear like his whole outfit that you saw
on the runway, and you see a lot of this
type of stuff on Housewives, where like everyone's wearing the
whole entire outfit and all the letters and everything and
sometimes it lands and overall like so sometimes you'll see
forced fashion in different areas, and you do see it
(02:54):
at the Metcal Like I don't like when fashion is thirsty,
like when it's like, Hi, I have a stylist, I
want shock value. I'm wearing this because I need attention
to me. Fashion is kind of it looks like it's
part of who you are, and maybe at one point
someone changed your style, like years ago, Nicole Ritchie's style
(03:18):
was changed maybe by Rachel Zoe, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And the Olsen Twins also, like they evolved into what
their style was and they've stuck to it. There was
a moment when Victoria Beckham was no longer a Spice Girl,
but she was Victoria Beckham and that was her style.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And yes, along the way it's evolved since then.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But I never feel with Victoria Beckham, or with Nicole
Ritchie or with the Olsen Twins like it's forced.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Like the most forestyle go is like someone dressing Haley Bieber,
but it lands. I think she actually probably has worn
underwears pants too, and it lands. It doesn't land on everyone,
and I can't really tell why. I think that when
I feel that a person's style is really an extension
of who they are, it lands like I know that
(04:07):
Blake Lively doesn't have a stylist, but maybe she does
work with designers, and maybe she does have a stylist.
Sometimes I think they've said she picks her own clothes,
but of course she's offered the best stuff, But it
just it feels like an extension of herself. It doesn't
feel like when she gets dressed, she's dressing in a costume.
So to me, dressing like you're in a costume is
(04:32):
not fashion. And I don't think that when Gaga's wearing
fishnets and her underwear's pants and a white T shirt,
that she's dressing like she's.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
In a costume.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And even when she's like really getting dressed up to
sing with Tony Bennett, I still don't think she's dressing
like she's in a costume. It feels like an extension
of herself. Even though she's Stephanie and Gaga's another persona,
they're kind of one and certain.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
People, I just feel like it's a costume.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And what's funny is j Lo I even feel like
it's an extension of herself. She's Johnny from the Block.
I sometimes it's like over the top, and you know,
but it still kind of feels like when she's dressing,
it's some version of an extension of herself. When somebody
feels like they have just put on something to get attention,
(05:22):
to be performative, and that looks like a costume, then
I don't think that it's fashion.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
What do you think.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Monica Lewinsky has a campaign with Reformation. What a brilliant
marketing idea. How amazing for Monica Lewinsky? The name Reformation
like it's chef's kiss.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Has there ever been a great her collaboration? And how
about somebody waiting for their moment, like sitting back and
one day saying it's time now.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And this is outrageous.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And she looks amazing, and what has she been through
in her life and what has she been defined by?
And it's about encouraging people to vote, and she looks
so serious and she looks elegant, and she's a grown woman.
I am sure she's married. I don't know if she
has kids. I have to look it all up. It
doesn't even matter to me, And it doesn't matter to
(06:32):
me because I want her to have whatever happy life
that she wants to have. I was once at Andy
Cohen's house at his Christmas party and she came with Anderson,
and back then she was still probably, you know, not
sure of herself and like it wasn't what it is now.
And it's just amazing that during the era of cancelation,
(06:56):
she's having a full renewal and she looks spectacle. And
I just remember her in that interview years ago with
that lip color that everybody wanted to know what it was,
and I don't remember what it is. Reformation unbelievable, brilliant, brilliant,
Like the two greatest marketing campaigns of twenty twenty four
(07:17):
are dunkin Donuts and ben Affleck and Reformation and Monica
Lewinsky Beyond. Let's talk about deleting tweets, Instagram posts and
(07:38):
deleting tiktoks, and let's talk about turning off comments. So
people write about deleting posts as if it's bad, like, oh,
where's that post you know trolling you, where's that post
you did?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh, I see you took that post down, which be like.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
You educating someone that something they've just said is wrong,
and they say, oh, I wish I didn't say that,
or sorry I said that that way, or you know what,
it's probably better we don't discuss this right now, or
maybe we should save this for another time, or you
know what, I said it, I'm not gonna harp on it.
(08:23):
We don't need to live in that, because that's what
taking a post down means. You may put a post
up that you kind of want up for a minute,
but you don't want it to live there forever. I've
done that, and you may want You may put a
post up and then you're like, oh god, I didn't
think of this what that would mean, And you might
want to take it down because you've educated yourself. Or
you might put a post up and you're about to
(08:44):
get into like a whole fight. You're like, I'm not
really going to move for a fight right now. Everybody
wants to hold everybody to everything forever.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
There are things that famous people have done.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
People today want to identify Kim Kardashian as someone who
was in a tape.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Kim Kardashian is.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
A billionaire mogul, actress, fashion e STU, reality star, business mogul.
She's a private equity business like, so she did a
sex tape years ago, hip hit Parae like, that's like
she wants to delete that tweet. She doesn't want that
to define her. And I just think that's fucked up
(09:24):
that people want to hold people to things that they've
done or said. Why is everybody being so bound to
everything they've ever done? And also why can't someone just
do what they want to do? So I think that's
an interesting thing. Oh so people will talk about turning
your comments off. I haven't done that that often. I
don't mind a comments section, but I've done it. Why
(09:47):
aren't we allowed to do that too? If you hear
a bunch of people screaming at each other or screaming
at you, aren't you gonna say I'm not having this
conversation right now because.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
People want to have you killed. So you are like,
I don't want to listen to that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
In your real life you would' listen to that, So
why would you listen to that on social media?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's how I feel. That's a ramp
When did everyone start wearing underwear as pants? Now, don't
get me wrong, I like when people are wearing sexy outfits.
I mean, Megan Fox has rocked that like none other.
I mean, we've got the j lo Versace dress and
we had Elizabeth Hurley safety Pin Versace dress. Like I'm
(00:34):
all for looking hot. I just don't know when underwear
became pants. This like briefs with tights.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Look and.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Gaga I saw years ago at Mark Burnett's house and
she was wearing a white T shirt and I believe
she was wearing fishnets and she was wearing like underwear
as pants or a bodysuit, and she nailed it and
she landed it. I'm sure it's something Madonna did years ago.
In fact, I think I remember it probably like in
a course it, you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Know, one piece body suit.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But like some people are unicorns and can land it,
Madonna can land it. Gaga landed it and sort of
started it. From my perspective, the first person I ever
saw do that was Lady Gaga. And you are fashion
experts and will correct me and tell me you know
the cave woman that first started this trend.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I don't know for a fact.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I just know that the first human being that I
ever saw wearing stockings and briefs as pants or the
bottom portion of an outfit was Lady Gaga at Mark
Burnett's house and it landed and she looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And it's very her.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But like non Lady Gaga type people that are now
wearing it, it just looks very forced.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
This is the thing about fashion, and I just really
want to talk about it because Anna Wintour wears the
same necklaces, you know, more than once, and she's had
the same.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Hairstyle, and she dresses.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
She has beautiful clothes, but she's not performative in the
way she's dressing. It's not like a circus. She's not
sort of just trying to show how fashionable she is.
And she's the most influential person in fashion, not even
one of she is the most influential person in fashion.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And I always bring.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
This up because Tom Ford said that he didn't like
when people wear like his whole outfit that you saw
on the runway, and you see a lot of this
type of stuff on Housewives, where like everyone's wearing the
whole entire outfit and all the letters and everything and
sometimes it lands and overall like so sometimes you'll see
forced fashion in different areas, and you do see it
(02:54):
at the Metcal Like I don't like when fashion is thirsty,
like when it's like, Hi, I have a stylist, I
want shock value. I'm wearing this because I need attention
to me. Fashion is kind of it looks like it's
part of who you are, and maybe at one point
someone changed your style, like years ago, Nicole Ritchie's style
(03:18):
was changed maybe by Rachel Zoe, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And the Olsen Twins also, like they evolved into what
their style was and they've stuck to it. There was
a moment when Victoria Beckham was no longer a Spice Girl,
but she was Victoria Beckham and that was her style.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And yes, along the way it's evolved since then.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But I never feel with Victoria Beckham, or with Nicole
Ritchie or with the Olsen Twins like it's forced.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Like the most forestyle go is like someone dressing Haley Bieber,
but it lands. I think she actually probably has worn
underwears pants too, and it lands. It doesn't land on everyone,
and I can't really tell why. I think that when
I feel that a person's style is really an extension
of who they are, it lands like I know that
(04:07):
Blake Lively doesn't have a stylist, but maybe she does
work with designers, and maybe she does have a stylist.
Sometimes I think they've said she picks her own clothes,
but of course she's offered the best stuff, But it
just it feels like an extension of herself. It doesn't
feel like when she gets dressed, she's dressing in a costume.
So to me, dressing like you're in a costume is
(04:32):
not fashion. And I don't think that when Gaga's wearing
fishnets and her underwear's pants and a white T shirt,
that she's dressing like she's.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
In a costume.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And even when she's like really getting dressed up to
sing with Tony Bennett, I still don't think she's dressing
like she's in a costume. It feels like an extension
of herself. Even though she's Stephanie and Gaga's another persona,
they're kind of one and certain.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
People, I just feel like it's a costume.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And what's funny is j Lo I even feel like
it's an extension of herself. She's Johnny from the Block.
I sometimes it's like over the top, and you know,
but it still kind of feels like when she's dressing,
it's some version of an extension of herself. When somebody
feels like they have just put on something to get attention,
(05:22):
to be performative, and that looks like a costume, then
I don't think that it's fashion.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
What do you think.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Monica Lewinsky has a campaign with Reformation. What a brilliant
marketing idea. How amazing for Monica Lewinsky? The name Reformation
like it's chef's kiss.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Has there ever been a great her collaboration? And how
about somebody waiting for their moment, like sitting back and
one day saying it's time now.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And this is outrageous.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And she looks amazing, and what has she been through
in her life and what has she been defined by?
And it's about encouraging people to vote, and she looks
so serious and she looks elegant, and she's a grown woman.
I am sure she's married. I don't know if she
has kids. I have to look it all up. It
doesn't even matter to me, And it doesn't matter to
(06:32):
me because I want her to have whatever happy life
that she wants to have. I was once at Andy
Cohen's house at his Christmas party and she came with Anderson,
and back then she was still probably, you know, not
sure of herself and like it wasn't what it is now.
And it's just amazing that during the era of cancelation,
(06:56):
she's having a full renewal and she looks spectacle. And
I just remember her in that interview years ago with
that lip color that everybody wanted to know what it was,
and I don't remember what it is. Reformation unbelievable, brilliant, brilliant,
Like the two greatest marketing campaigns of twenty twenty four
(07:17):
are dunkin Donuts and ben Affleck and Reformation and Monica
Lewinsky Beyond. Let's talk about deleting tweets, Instagram posts and
(07:38):
deleting tiktoks, and let's talk about turning off comments. So
people write about deleting posts as if it's bad, like, oh,
where's that post you know trolling you, where's that post
you did?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh, I see you took that post down, which be like.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
You educating someone that something they've just said is wrong,
and they say, oh, I wish I didn't say that,
or sorry I said that that way, or you know what,
it's probably better we don't discuss this right now, or
maybe we should save this for another time, or you
know what, I said it, I'm not gonna harp on it.
(08:23):
We don't need to live in that, because that's what
taking a post down means. You may put a post
up that you kind of want up for a minute,
but you don't want it to live there forever. I've
done that, and you may want You may put a
post up and then you're like, oh god, I didn't
think of this what that would mean, And you might
want to take it down because you've educated yourself. Or
you might put a post up and you're about to
(08:44):
get into like a whole fight. You're like, I'm not
really going to move for a fight right now. Everybody
wants to hold everybody to everything forever.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
There are things that famous people have done.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
People today want to identify Kim Kardashian as someone who
was in a tape.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Kim Kardashian is.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
A billionaire mogul, actress, fashion e STU, reality star, business mogul.
She's a private equity business like, so she did a
sex tape years ago, hip hit Parae like, that's like
she wants to delete that tweet. She doesn't want that
to define her. And I just think that's fucked up
(09:24):
that people want to hold people to things that they've
done or said. Why is everybody being so bound to
everything they've ever done? And also why can't someone just
do what they want to do? So I think that's
an interesting thing. Oh so people will talk about turning
your comments off. I haven't done that that often. I
don't mind a comments section, but I've done it. Why
(09:47):
aren't we allowed to do that too? If you hear
a bunch of people screaming at each other or screaming
at you, aren't you gonna say I'm not having this
conversation right now because.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
People want to have you killed. So you are like,
I don't want to listen to that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
In your real life you would' listen to that, So
why would you listen to that on social media?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's how I feel. That's a ramp
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