July 31, 2025 • 14 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Denise Richards is going through what seems to be a
gnarly brutal divorce, and she had a bad divorce with
Charlie Sheen, and she seems to be very resilient, a
hard worker, and she just always goes back to work,
like she really is a girl that does love, not
to love. She comes from hard work. She's a Midwestern girl,
close with her dad. I think he lived with her.
(00:35):
She's had her fair share of drama and hardship in relationships.
Her picker is definitely defective like mine. But we have
to take responsibility.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
For our part.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And if we are choosing or staying in a relationship
with someone who's really problematic, then we have to do
the work and do the thing be and look at
ourselves and maybe take like a really long hard look
and time out from relationships.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And it's hard.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I've been in nothing for seven months. It's the first
time I think in my adult life, I think since
high school, Like I really don't think I've ever gone
seven months without anything. And it's been great because you
really start to get in touch with yourself and be
comfortable alone. And there are allegations of abuse. Apparently this
(01:33):
man was caught on camera saying he was gonna crush
her hand, or he spoke to her in a way
that other people found extremely alarming. Like it's just like
it was a tone and no one's on his side.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I hate this.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
He's trying to use what happened on TV and the show,
which did happen. But things that happened on a show
are in a vacuum, meaning like it's even if it's even, yeah,
it all did happen, but it's just like a dirty
trick to oh, use what's on the show. Okay, well
on the show, you said I'm gonna crush your hand.
So on the show she had a jacket on upside
(02:06):
down on the Housewives, like and maybe she was buzziness,
but like he's weaponizing that and trying to sort of
get the audience to feel some compassion for him, and
like dancing around any version of abuse, like there is
no gray area with abuse, emotional abuse, physical abuse, Like
(02:27):
there's no gray area with abuse, and people do go
down a bad road in toxic relationships. Like people do
get into toxic relationships and they can't get out and
they blame themselves, like it is like a mind trick
it's not just like something intellectual, like why didn't you
get out?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It's like why did you have an affair? Why did
you do this? Like things are layered? Why did you
stay so long?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Why this? Like why everything?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Like it's impossible, Like I've been emotionally abused, horrendously emotionally
abused and tortured, and you do feel like there's no
way out. You're never gonna get out of it. You can't.
It's not even that you can't see straight. There are
times that like you actually can't get out of it
for reasons that other people may never know. Someone could
(03:19):
have threatened you as a public person. They could have threatened.
They'd say some other secret they have on you, some
other thing, some financial issue, some thing mistake you made
went out. Like people are very scary, and people are
very scared. So I have no idea what went on.
I know Denise, I respect Denise. I like Denise.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I know more than the average person, but I really
don't care because she's a public person, she's been through
a horrible divorce, she's got daughters. And I'm not saying
that Denise Richards is a perfect person any more than
I'm saying that I'm a perfect person. Let me tell
you what I'm really saying. What I'm really saying is
(04:02):
I grew up in a house with problematic parents, to
say the least, and I mean drugs, guns, mafia, very
serious physical abuse. Okay, I had two insane parents. But
there is no excuse, Like there's a different type of person,
(04:25):
and there's a switch that goes off, and a psychotic,
sick control person that abuses a woman, that lays his
hand on a woman, that touches a woman, that says
abusive things to a woman. And it's very often, and
no one's talked about this. It's often a beautiful woman.
It's often a man who's a loser. It's often a
man who's a loser, who's overshot the mark in going
(04:51):
out with dating or marrying a beautiful woman, but who's fragile,
who life has taken a little bit of a bite
out of, who life is beaten up a little bit.
Denise has got some wounds, she's got some war wounds.
Just because she's pretty and successful and strong doesn't mean
she's really really strong in every way. Like I relate
(05:13):
to that, and you thought, like, you're marrying some regular
person who loves you so much because he's like an
awe shooks charming kind of nice guy, right, and charming
is a red flag. And her guy seems super charming,
like just that nice normal guy.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I like him.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He's a cool guy, you know, that type of guy,
good looking and this and all this shit they talked about. Right,
But she's Denise Richards. She's the bond girl. She's beautiful,
she's successful, she's made money. She was married to Charlie Sheen,
the highest paid actor on television, maybe in history, but
certainly at the time. So like a guy like that
can pray on a woman like that and then him
(05:48):
feel insecure because it's not about him. He's a plus one. Okay,
So she's the breadwinner, she's the opportunity, she gets the invite.
He's the fucking plus one everywhere. He's Denise Richard's husband.
That guy a very common thing that isn't crystallized, condensed
(06:08):
and described this way. It is not highlighted and talked about.
Is a strong, beautiful woman who makes money and is
the earner getting with that guy who doesn't make quite
as much money but seems super supportive, gonna be a
great teammate, a great plus one. I'm gonna travel with you,
(06:29):
go to your events, babe. I'm gonna help you, Babe.
I'm here for you. Ends up helping you, being partners
with you. You decide to give them things, do things
for them. You want them to feel included, you want
them to feel valued. You don't want them to feel marginalized.
You try to get them jobs. Okay, I've been there.
Does it sound familiar. That guy, because he feels powerless
(06:50):
in comparison to that woman, he will try to find
ways to exert his power. It is a very common
thing with the moneyed spouse being a woman power women.
Men don't want to be manni's. They can pretend they do.
And even if it's only the woman that knows that
she's got the money, that she's got, the power that
she's got, the relevance that she's ultimately paying the credit card,
(07:11):
they will find another way to rise up. They're not
relevant anymore, they're not earning anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They feel useless. I make a lot more money than them.
I have not.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Been with a man who makes more money than I do.
And it's a problem. And there was a weird thing
going around online saying that an X of mine owned
my house in Greenwich, Like, no one has ever owned
one of my homes, and no one has ever owned
one of my homes, and likely no one ever will.
(07:46):
Shees on my feet.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I bought them. I depend on me, period. I'll give
a shit.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
If they're an astrophysicist, an astronaut, they have a Nobel
Peace Prize.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I don't care it doesn't work. Sorry, not sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
They will rise up and find a way, or they'll
feel deeply insecure.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I'm dumbing it down, dimming my light.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That guy is the type of guy that could very
well rise up because he wants to exert his power.
Someone once said to me, now you're gonna see what
I was like on the basketball court. I'm gonna ruin
your life.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
A guy like that wants to show Denise Richards who's
really fucking boss, And you'd think, like, why why would she?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I mean, why would she tolerate? I don't know what's
going on in her life.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I don't know what's going on with her security, with
her choices, with her journey, but I know that a.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Guy like that, I'm not saying that guy. I don't
know him.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I don't know what happened. I've met him. I'm watching
what you guys are watching a guy like that.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I know that guy.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I know that guy, mister charming, former big time fucking
athlete who's a hot shot. But now he's in a
relationship and he's not the big guy. He's not the
big man on campus Denise richards is. And how does
he exert his power and control?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
How because I've been there, So I don't know what
exactly happened, but I'm team Denise. I meet these men
(09:34):
that are interested in me, and they have married way younger.
They got to the witching hour of their age, like
they're getting into their sixties or at fifties sixties.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
They're insecure.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They've exercised no version of their emotional intelligence or evolution,
and so they want to impress the other guys. They
need the flex, they need a reason to have left
their naggy, boring marriage, as they see it. Then they
go with the hot young piece in some way. Right,
It's never like someone that you're like, dude, I get it.
It's always someone who's like a poor man's model, you know,
(10:08):
what I mean, like she's like in her forties. Now
she wants to have a kid, and he's gonna give
her a kid, and he's going back in. He wants
to fucking off himself, and his ex wife is laughing
in his face because he's like changing shitty diapers. And
then he gets to be a certain age. Then he's
in his sixties, and then he chose on the way
in to indulge his insecurity, meaning on the way in,
he was like, I need a hot piece because I'm insecurity.
(10:30):
I need to feel better and I need that plus
one and I need to bang my chest and all
that stuff. But what he didn't think of is on
the way out, because now he's in his sixties, he's
gonna be in his seventies. He's gonna be drooling soon.
And it looks weird, and he feels crinkly and old
and doey and pasty, and women overall look better than
he does. And his ex wife found a way to
fucking glow up and show his ass. And now he's
(10:52):
with like some some like you know, local non main
market catalog mind back in the day, and now he's
with that girl and he looks like a wrinkly, fucking
bag of raisins. And now he feels insecure because he's aware,
he's not stupid, he knows what it looks like. He
also feels a little withered the music. She doesn't understand
(11:15):
that he likes. But that's been happening for a while.
But now it's really a big deal because now he's
not dragging his ass out to the club to try
to pretend he's cool. Now the machine is giving in.
He's exhausted, the wheels have come off. She knows who
he is. He's not pretending anymore. He's got her, he's
got her on the financial program, but he knows he
can't keep up. And he knows people think she's hot
(11:36):
on some level, and he knows he like you know,
he's not moving as quickly. He's not feeling his spry,
and he feels like a wrinkly old bag of powdered donuts.
And now he's insecure. And I say, nobody gets out
without paying the bills. So you want to leave your
wife and fucking complain about her nagging, no problem, but
(11:57):
you will pay on the back end. And the back
end is when we need. The rider dies like on
The back end is when you know you want your
original wife who may have nagged you, but she's gonna
be a better diaper changer when you need your diaper
change and colostomy bad change. So I'm just saying, nobody
gets out without paying the bill. And Mary Younger is
(12:19):
something you have to think of as a long term
play because it doesn't look cute. There are men that
I used to think were hot, handsome, successful, older than me, distinguished.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I was a little too young. They were a little
too savvy, rich, mature. They look like fucking porridge. Now, okay,
I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. They're
the same guy, and they married women much younger than
I am. Wouldn't touch them. They aged like rotten milk
(12:51):
couples that I love or respect. Portcha and Ellen. I
saw a video with them in the car the other day.
They've been together eighteen years, through the entertainment industry, through
Porsche coming out, by being with Ellen, through being canceled
through a talk show, through being a lesbian on television,
through breaking barriers. Shout out to Ellen and Porsche are
(13:11):
being added to my relationship pile. You're gonna be shocked
by this next one too. Megan and Harry seem.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
To be ride or die for each other.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I have never agreed with the people that have said, oh,
she'll go be out or upgrade or whatever like who knows,
but like I haven't, they have been ride or die
for each other. Ultimately, That's what Whila Simpson, the Duke
of Windsor who gave up the throne for Wallace Simpson,
That's what that was. Like.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
It's a ride or die. I respect a ride or
die couple. I respect it. I respect a ride or
die couple.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I also respect like a Callista Flockhart and Harrison Ford,
like a chose to be private couple. Oh, Ryan Gosling
and Eva Mendez stop it, stop it now, beautiful specimen
creatures in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And it's like.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
My ungodly couple dinner is Pash and Becks Amal and George,
Ryan and Eva. Like I'm not even gonna put. I
can't even put. I mean Jay Z and Beyonce. Fine, Okay,
I gotta do it.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I gotta do it. I fucking gotta do it. But like.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Iconic like next level, right, like next level? Oh and
William and and by the way, William and Kate Yes,
Denise Richards is going through what seems to be a
gnarly brutal divorce, and she had a bad divorce with
Charlie Sheen, and she seems to be very resilient, a
hard worker, and she just always goes back to work,
like she really is a girl that does love, not
to love. She comes from hard work. She's a Midwestern girl,
close with her dad. I think he lived with her.
(00:35):
She's had her fair share of drama and hardship in relationships.
Her picker is definitely defective like mine. But we have
to take responsibility.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
For our part.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And if we are choosing or staying in a relationship
with someone who's really problematic, then we have to do
the work and do the thing be and look at
ourselves and maybe take like a really long hard look
and time out from relationships.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And it's hard.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I've been in nothing for seven months. It's the first
time I think in my adult life, I think since
high school, Like I really don't think I've ever gone
seven months without anything. And it's been great because you
really start to get in touch with yourself and be
comfortable alone. And there are allegations of abuse. Apparently this
(01:33):
man was caught on camera saying he was gonna crush
her hand, or he spoke to her in a way
that other people found extremely alarming. Like it's just like
it was a tone and no one's on his side.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I hate this.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
He's trying to use what happened on TV and the show,
which did happen. But things that happened on a show
are in a vacuum, meaning like it's even if it's even, yeah,
it all did happen, but it's just like a dirty
trick to oh, use what's on the show. Okay, well
on the show, you said I'm gonna crush your hand.
So on the show she had a jacket on upside
(02:06):
down on the Housewives, like and maybe she was buzziness,
but like he's weaponizing that and trying to sort of
get the audience to feel some compassion for him, and
like dancing around any version of abuse, like there is
no gray area with abuse, emotional abuse, physical abuse, Like
(02:27):
there's no gray area with abuse, and people do go
down a bad road in toxic relationships. Like people do
get into toxic relationships and they can't get out and
they blame themselves, like it is like a mind trick
it's not just like something intellectual, like why didn't you
get out?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It's like why did you have an affair? Why did
you do this? Like things are layered? Why did you
stay so long?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Why this? Like why everything?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Like it's impossible, Like I've been emotionally abused, horrendously emotionally
abused and tortured, and you do feel like there's no
way out. You're never gonna get out of it. You can't.
It's not even that you can't see straight. There are
times that like you actually can't get out of it
for reasons that other people may never know. Someone could
(03:19):
have threatened you as a public person. They could have threatened.
They'd say some other secret they have on you, some
other thing, some financial issue, some thing mistake you made
went out. Like people are very scary, and people are
very scared. So I have no idea what went on.
I know Denise, I respect Denise. I like Denise.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I know more than the average person, but I really
don't care because she's a public person, she's been through
a horrible divorce, she's got daughters. And I'm not saying
that Denise Richards is a perfect person any more than
I'm saying that I'm a perfect person. Let me tell
you what I'm really saying. What I'm really saying is
(04:02):
I grew up in a house with problematic parents, to
say the least, and I mean drugs, guns, mafia, very
serious physical abuse. Okay, I had two insane parents. But
there is no excuse, Like there's a different type of person,
(04:25):
and there's a switch that goes off, and a psychotic,
sick control person that abuses a woman, that lays his
hand on a woman, that touches a woman, that says
abusive things to a woman. And it's very often, and
no one's talked about this. It's often a beautiful woman.
It's often a man who's a loser. It's often a
man who's a loser, who's overshot the mark in going
(04:51):
out with dating or marrying a beautiful woman, but who's fragile,
who life has taken a little bit of a bite
out of, who life is beaten up a little bit.
Denise has got some wounds, she's got some war wounds.
Just because she's pretty and successful and strong doesn't mean
she's really really strong in every way. Like I relate
(05:13):
to that, and you thought, like, you're marrying some regular
person who loves you so much because he's like an
awe shooks charming kind of nice guy, right, and charming
is a red flag. And her guy seems super charming,
like just that nice normal guy.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I like him.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He's a cool guy, you know, that type of guy,
good looking and this and all this shit they talked about. Right,
But she's Denise Richards. She's the bond girl. She's beautiful,
she's successful, she's made money. She was married to Charlie Sheen,
the highest paid actor on television, maybe in history, but
certainly at the time. So like a guy like that
can pray on a woman like that and then him
(05:48):
feel insecure because it's not about him. He's a plus one. Okay,
So she's the breadwinner, she's the opportunity, she gets the invite.
He's the fucking plus one everywhere. He's Denise Richard's husband.
That guy a very common thing that isn't crystallized, condensed
(06:08):
and described this way. It is not highlighted and talked about.
Is a strong, beautiful woman who makes money and is
the earner getting with that guy who doesn't make quite
as much money but seems super supportive, gonna be a
great teammate, a great plus one. I'm gonna travel with you,
(06:29):
go to your events, babe. I'm gonna help you, Babe.
I'm here for you. Ends up helping you, being partners
with you. You decide to give them things, do things
for them. You want them to feel included, you want
them to feel valued. You don't want them to feel marginalized.
You try to get them jobs. Okay, I've been there.
Does it sound familiar. That guy, because he feels powerless
(06:50):
in comparison to that woman, he will try to find
ways to exert his power. It is a very common
thing with the moneyed spouse being a woman power women.
Men don't want to be manni's. They can pretend they do.
And even if it's only the woman that knows that
she's got the money, that she's got, the power that
she's got, the relevance that she's ultimately paying the credit card,
(07:11):
they will find another way to rise up. They're not
relevant anymore, they're not earning anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They feel useless. I make a lot more money than them.
I have not.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Been with a man who makes more money than I do.
And it's a problem. And there was a weird thing
going around online saying that an X of mine owned
my house in Greenwich, Like, no one has ever owned
one of my homes, and no one has ever owned
one of my homes, and likely no one ever will.
(07:46):
Shees on my feet.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I bought them. I depend on me, period. I'll give
a shit.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
If they're an astrophysicist, an astronaut, they have a Nobel
Peace Prize.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I don't care it doesn't work. Sorry, not sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
They will rise up and find a way, or they'll
feel deeply insecure.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I'm dumbing it down, dimming my light.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That guy is the type of guy that could very
well rise up because he wants to exert his power.
Someone once said to me, now you're gonna see what
I was like on the basketball court. I'm gonna ruin
your life.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
A guy like that wants to show Denise Richards who's
really fucking boss, And you'd think, like, why why would she?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I mean, why would she tolerate? I don't know what's
going on in her life.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I don't know what's going on with her security, with
her choices, with her journey, but I know that a.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Guy like that, I'm not saying that guy. I don't
know him.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I don't know what happened. I've met him. I'm watching
what you guys are watching a guy like that.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I know that guy.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I know that guy, mister charming, former big time fucking
athlete who's a hot shot. But now he's in a
relationship and he's not the big guy. He's not the
big man on campus Denise richards is. And how does
he exert his power and control?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
How because I've been there, So I don't know what
exactly happened, but I'm team Denise. I meet these men
(09:34):
that are interested in me, and they have married way younger.
They got to the witching hour of their age, like
they're getting into their sixties or at fifties sixties.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
They're insecure.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They've exercised no version of their emotional intelligence or evolution,
and so they want to impress the other guys. They
need the flex, they need a reason to have left
their naggy, boring marriage, as they see it. Then they
go with the hot young piece in some way. Right,
It's never like someone that you're like, dude, I get it.
It's always someone who's like a poor man's model, you know,
(10:08):
what I mean, like she's like in her forties. Now
she wants to have a kid, and he's gonna give
her a kid, and he's going back in. He wants
to fucking off himself, and his ex wife is laughing
in his face because he's like changing shitty diapers. And
then he gets to be a certain age. Then he's
in his sixties, and then he chose on the way
in to indulge his insecurity, meaning on the way in,
he was like, I need a hot piece because I'm insecurity.
(10:30):
I need to feel better and I need that plus
one and I need to bang my chest and all
that stuff. But what he didn't think of is on
the way out, because now he's in his sixties, he's
gonna be in his seventies. He's gonna be drooling soon.
And it looks weird, and he feels crinkly and old
and doey and pasty, and women overall look better than
he does. And his ex wife found a way to
fucking glow up and show his ass. And now he's
(10:52):
with like some some like you know, local non main
market catalog mind back in the day, and now he's
with that girl and he looks like a wrinkly, fucking
bag of raisins. And now he feels insecure because he's aware,
he's not stupid, he knows what it looks like. He
also feels a little withered the music. She doesn't understand
(11:15):
that he likes. But that's been happening for a while.
But now it's really a big deal because now he's
not dragging his ass out to the club to try
to pretend he's cool. Now the machine is giving in.
He's exhausted, the wheels have come off. She knows who
he is. He's not pretending anymore. He's got her, he's
got her on the financial program, but he knows he
can't keep up. And he knows people think she's hot
(11:36):
on some level, and he knows he like you know,
he's not moving as quickly. He's not feeling his spry,
and he feels like a wrinkly old bag of powdered donuts.
And now he's insecure. And I say, nobody gets out
without paying the bills. So you want to leave your
wife and fucking complain about her nagging, no problem, but
(11:57):
you will pay on the back end. And the back
end is when we need. The rider dies like on
The back end is when you know you want your
original wife who may have nagged you, but she's gonna
be a better diaper changer when you need your diaper
change and colostomy bad change. So I'm just saying, nobody
gets out without paying the bill. And Mary Younger is
(12:19):
something you have to think of as a long term
play because it doesn't look cute. There are men that
I used to think were hot, handsome, successful, older than me, distinguished.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I was a little too young. They were a little
too savvy, rich, mature. They look like fucking porridge. Now, okay,
I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. They're
the same guy, and they married women much younger than
I am. Wouldn't touch them. They aged like rotten milk
(12:51):
couples that I love or respect. Portcha and Ellen. I
saw a video with them in the car the other day.
They've been together eighteen years, through the entertainment industry, through
Porsche coming out, by being with Ellen, through being canceled
through a talk show, through being a lesbian on television,
through breaking barriers. Shout out to Ellen and Porsche are
(13:11):
being added to my relationship pile. You're gonna be shocked
by this next one too. Megan and Harry seem.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
To be ride or die for each other.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I have never agreed with the people that have said, oh,
she'll go be out or upgrade or whatever like who knows,
but like I haven't, they have been ride or die
for each other. Ultimately, That's what Whila Simpson, the Duke
of Windsor who gave up the throne for Wallace Simpson,
That's what that was. Like.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
It's a ride or die. I respect a ride or
die couple. I respect it. I respect a ride or
die couple.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I also respect like a Callista Flockhart and Harrison Ford,
like a chose to be private couple. Oh, Ryan Gosling
and Eva Mendez stop it, stop it now, beautiful specimen
creatures in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And it's like.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
My ungodly couple dinner is Pash and Becks Amal and George,
Ryan and Eva. Like I'm not even gonna put. I
can't even put. I mean Jay Z and Beyonce. Fine, Okay,
I gotta do it.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I gotta do it. I fucking gotta do it. But like.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Iconic like next level, right, like next level? Oh and
William and and by the way, William and Kate Yes,
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