September 12, 2023 • 8 mins
Bethenny has never been one to side with an opinion just because it's the popular one.
Find out where she lands on the recent criticism of megastars like Beyonce and Jessica Simpson.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Celeb daughters. So Blue Ivy people were really praising during
the Beyonce concert, and it was terrible because when it
first started, when the tour first started, people were actually
making fun of Blue Ivy's singing an eleven year old,
and it really really bothered me. And I thought about
just the pressure and what it means to be Blue
(00:34):
Ivy to be a young girl on stage with your
mom an icon, what a small idol, And it's beautiful
for her mom to share that with her, but it
must be a tremendous amount of pressure, like it's just
getting on that road so early. And I wonder about it,
like my daughter doesn't really kind of want to be
(00:59):
in the end tainment industry in that way, like maybe
something cute, you know, we're gonna do a little podcast
together or conversation, but very very brief. The pressure for
an eleven year old to be up on stage, it
kind of has to be in your blood or something
she really asked to want to do, or something Beyonce
knew that Beyonce probably wanted to do at that age.
And if you kind of get a child used to
(01:23):
that young, they'll get a head start. It's just it's
a dance. When I was young, I wanted that kind
of thing, But it also does take away a little
bit of your innocence, and my daughter really loves being
a kid and her innocence. And I just I think
about a couple of things, like I live for Beyonce.
It's funny because Beyonce's tour hasn't gotten the same like
(01:46):
cult status as Taylor Swift's. And I went to Tailor
Shifts because I was invited. I definitely would have gone
to Beyonce's if I were invited. I just it didn't
come up. But I just had been moved by a
child that age up on stage with that kind of
public attention and scrutiny and schedule and lights and all
(02:08):
of it. I mean, it's rare air. So it's just
it's interesting to me, Like I don't know exactly what
I think about it. I think it's wild and beautiful
and amazing, and she's such a beautiful, inspirational young girl.
But I think about it being difficult to have an
actual innocent childhood while doing that, And I'm sure she
goes back to having her normal childhood, but she has
mega stars as parents. It may just be what she
(02:30):
know is not unlike Northwest. You know that's not She
stands near the met gala to watch her mom go in.
It's just a different life, and some kids are more
attracted to that than others. My daughter's not attracted to that.
Then I think about people really trolling Jessica Simpson when
her daughter was wearing a croptop. Who's also eleven and
kids are wearing crop tops, and I don't I don't
(02:53):
like people judging moms and like maybe in maybe maybe
I wouldn't put my daughter in a crop top or
put my daughter up on stage. I don't like this
judgment when it comes to a tween who's going to
see it or hear about it. It's so pure and
(03:15):
innocent and fleeting being a child, and that being scrutinized
is risky business to me. So that brings up the
question of the parents, even in the entertainment industry, myself,
including your children in being public. So I do remember
(03:37):
being young and wanting to kind of be an actress
an audition, and my mom didn't help me with that
in any way, and I used to be so intrigued
by it, but no one was going to drive me
into the city to go look at these auditions that
I'd see in magazines, and I just was really fascinated
by it, and I was interested, but I had no
vehicle to get there. Now, my daughter doesn't have any
real interest in that. She does some tiktoks, not a lot.
(04:00):
She does some fun, cute beauty reviews because she's seen
me do them, and she does them on her own.
I don't certainly don't say to her, you should sit
down and do some beauty reviews. But she has fun
and someone dons there are some cute bracelets, and I
control how much she gets, Like free stuff comes for her,
and I put it in a certain box, and I'll
give her treats along the way. I make her give
rid to something if she gets something new. But I'm
not gonna make my kid be like a spoiled child
(04:23):
that's exposed to all this just because I'm her mom,
Meaning I worked all these years to be successful and
for someone to send me a box of free stuff
that I don't really even care about. But I'm not
going to just hand her every free beauty product or
bracelet that she gets because she's my daughter and because
they want to either get to me or they just
want her to post about it or she's famous or whatever,
(04:43):
and she's marginally famous. So I think about the Jessica
Simpson and the Beyonce situations, and I think about public scrutiny,
and I definitely wouldn't want that for Brinn. Somebody said
to Brinn in her comments, oh, tell your mom to
stop talking about this stuff, because it was like about
the Raquel stuff, and other mama bears came in and said, like,
(05:04):
get out of there. She's a thirteen year old kid.
Do not be commenting in her, you know, as an
adult to a child on these matters. Someone else wanted
her to reach out to them because they wanted to
send her something. So like, I've got my mom army
that's in there helping me be the mama cub and
swat away weirdos. But when you put your child up
on stage for millions to see, does that mean that
(05:29):
they're open to a different level of speculation scrutiny and
just being a public figure, it's the same thing. I guess.
It's putting your kid as a child actor. It's just
the Beyonce stage. Someone said to me recently, Oh no,
not to me. Charlemagne said on his podcast that Beyonce
can't go to certain restaurants because it will cause a riot.
(05:52):
So now her daughter is like of that level fame
by association. So are these kids ready for that? You know?
Was Macaulay Culkin and was Michael Jackson? And were these
child stars ready for that? It's just something to think about.
I just was moved by watching Blue Ivy performing on
(06:15):
a stage and it's a stage of billions because it's
all over the world. People are going to watch that,
and then people criticizing her singing, and then I thought
about the Jessica Simpson and the halftop and criticizing that
Jessica lets her wear that, and I just thought about
that whole mix bag, and I would not be That's
not for me. Like I'll dip my toe and let
Brynn have a little bit of public forward facing stuff
(06:37):
and some tiktoks and things with me, But like that,
there's a line. I just think being young is so fleeting,
so precious, so pure, so short, and I want her
to have a child to like a pure kid childhood.
And once you break that seal and once you open
that like Justin Bieber did not have a normal childhood.
(06:58):
He was uber famous as a kid, and you can't
put that toothpaste back in the tube. You can't. Once
you open Pandora's box, can't close it back up. So
fame is an interesting, tricky thing, and as adults we
have a difficult time handling it. We can't handle it
for kids, so they've got to now handle it. And
it's just an additional thing that happens on reality TV too.
(07:21):
Look at the kids on Jersey Housewives or Kim and
KROI like people Kim Zolziak's daughters. They're older now, but
the reason people feel so comfortable criticizing them about their
hair or their filters or their handbags is because they
walked into this fame young and they've just been known
(07:41):
for all this time. So it's definitely something. On The Housewives,
I don't think that Gigi and Bella would be as
big as they are if they weren't Yolanda's kids on
The Housewives. Lisa Rena's kids too, their models and they
started out young. So just tell me to think about
for me,
Celeb daughters. So Blue Ivy people were really praising during
the Beyonce concert, and it was terrible because when it
first started, when the tour first started, people were actually
making fun of Blue Ivy's singing an eleven year old,
and it really really bothered me. And I thought about
just the pressure and what it means to be Blue
(00:34):
Ivy to be a young girl on stage with your
mom an icon, what a small idol, And it's beautiful
for her mom to share that with her, but it
must be a tremendous amount of pressure, like it's just
getting on that road so early. And I wonder about it,
like my daughter doesn't really kind of want to be
(00:59):
in the end tainment industry in that way, like maybe
something cute, you know, we're gonna do a little podcast
together or conversation, but very very brief. The pressure for
an eleven year old to be up on stage, it
kind of has to be in your blood or something
she really asked to want to do, or something Beyonce
knew that Beyonce probably wanted to do at that age.
And if you kind of get a child used to
(01:23):
that young, they'll get a head start. It's just it's
a dance. When I was young, I wanted that kind
of thing, But it also does take away a little
bit of your innocence, and my daughter really loves being
a kid and her innocence. And I just I think
about a couple of things, like I live for Beyonce.
It's funny because Beyonce's tour hasn't gotten the same like
(01:46):
cult status as Taylor Swift's. And I went to Tailor
Shifts because I was invited. I definitely would have gone
to Beyonce's if I were invited. I just it didn't
come up. But I just had been moved by a
child that age up on stage with that kind of
public attention and scrutiny and schedule and lights and all
(02:08):
of it. I mean, it's rare air. So it's just
it's interesting to me, Like I don't know exactly what
I think about it. I think it's wild and beautiful
and amazing, and she's such a beautiful, inspirational young girl.
But I think about it being difficult to have an
actual innocent childhood while doing that, And I'm sure she
goes back to having her normal childhood, but she has
mega stars as parents. It may just be what she
(02:30):
know is not unlike Northwest. You know that's not She
stands near the met gala to watch her mom go in.
It's just a different life, and some kids are more
attracted to that than others. My daughter's not attracted to that.
Then I think about people really trolling Jessica Simpson when
her daughter was wearing a croptop. Who's also eleven and
kids are wearing crop tops, and I don't I don't
(02:53):
like people judging moms and like maybe in maybe maybe
I wouldn't put my daughter in a crop top or
put my daughter up on stage. I don't like this
judgment when it comes to a tween who's going to
see it or hear about it. It's so pure and
(03:15):
innocent and fleeting being a child, and that being scrutinized
is risky business to me. So that brings up the
question of the parents, even in the entertainment industry, myself,
including your children in being public. So I do remember
(03:37):
being young and wanting to kind of be an actress
an audition, and my mom didn't help me with that
in any way, and I used to be so intrigued
by it, but no one was going to drive me
into the city to go look at these auditions that
I'd see in magazines, and I just was really fascinated
by it, and I was interested, but I had no
vehicle to get there. Now, my daughter doesn't have any
real interest in that. She does some tiktoks, not a lot.
(04:00):
She does some fun, cute beauty reviews because she's seen
me do them, and she does them on her own.
I don't certainly don't say to her, you should sit
down and do some beauty reviews. But she has fun
and someone dons there are some cute bracelets, and I
control how much she gets, Like free stuff comes for her,
and I put it in a certain box, and I'll
give her treats along the way. I make her give
rid to something if she gets something new. But I'm
not gonna make my kid be like a spoiled child
(04:23):
that's exposed to all this just because I'm her mom,
Meaning I worked all these years to be successful and
for someone to send me a box of free stuff
that I don't really even care about. But I'm not
going to just hand her every free beauty product or
bracelet that she gets because she's my daughter and because
they want to either get to me or they just
want her to post about it or she's famous or whatever,
(04:43):
and she's marginally famous. So I think about the Jessica
Simpson and the Beyonce situations, and I think about public scrutiny,
and I definitely wouldn't want that for Brinn. Somebody said
to Brinn in her comments, oh, tell your mom to
stop talking about this stuff, because it was like about
the Raquel stuff, and other mama bears came in and said, like,
(05:04):
get out of there. She's a thirteen year old kid.
Do not be commenting in her, you know, as an
adult to a child on these matters. Someone else wanted
her to reach out to them because they wanted to
send her something. So like, I've got my mom army
that's in there helping me be the mama cub and
swat away weirdos. But when you put your child up
on stage for millions to see, does that mean that
(05:29):
they're open to a different level of speculation scrutiny and
just being a public figure, it's the same thing. I guess.
It's putting your kid as a child actor. It's just
the Beyonce stage. Someone said to me recently, Oh no,
not to me. Charlemagne said on his podcast that Beyonce
can't go to certain restaurants because it will cause a riot.
(05:52):
So now her daughter is like of that level fame
by association. So are these kids ready for that? You know?
Was Macaulay Culkin and was Michael Jackson? And were these
child stars ready for that? It's just something to think about.
I just was moved by watching Blue Ivy performing on
(06:15):
a stage and it's a stage of billions because it's
all over the world. People are going to watch that,
and then people criticizing her singing, and then I thought
about the Jessica Simpson and the halftop and criticizing that
Jessica lets her wear that, and I just thought about
that whole mix bag, and I would not be That's
not for me. Like I'll dip my toe and let
Brynn have a little bit of public forward facing stuff
(06:37):
and some tiktoks and things with me, But like that,
there's a line. I just think being young is so fleeting,
so precious, so pure, so short, and I want her
to have a child to like a pure kid childhood.
And once you break that seal and once you open
that like Justin Bieber did not have a normal childhood.
(06:58):
He was uber famous as a kid, and you can't
put that toothpaste back in the tube. You can't. Once
you open Pandora's box, can't close it back up. So
fame is an interesting, tricky thing, and as adults we
have a difficult time handling it. We can't handle it
for kids, so they've got to now handle it. And
it's just an additional thing that happens on reality TV too.
(07:21):
Look at the kids on Jersey Housewives or Kim and
KROI like people Kim Zolziak's daughters. They're older now, but
the reason people feel so comfortable criticizing them about their
hair or their filters or their handbags is because they
walked into this fame young and they've just been known
(07:41):
for all this time. So it's definitely something. On The Housewives,
I don't think that Gigi and Bella would be as
big as they are if they weren't Yolanda's kids on
The Housewives. Lisa Rena's kids too, their models and they
started out young. So just tell me to think about
for me,
Host
Bethenny Frankel
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