September 28, 2023 • 22 mins
The whole world is talking about it. The topic of course is Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce. But you won’t find a more honest and explosive angle than a Bethenny rant! Find out what she really thinks.
Plus, Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner’s divorce drama and Bethenny opens up about her own failures.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Taylor Swift. How fascinating that Taylor Swift has not only
moved the needle, but a seismic shift in the football
world NFL and they're all happy to have her. Has
there been somebody with this Has there been somebody with
this level of impact in decades since the Beatles? And
(00:36):
I say that because also she's beloved, so some people
have a tremendous impact. But they're polarizing. I mean, she's beloved,
and the NFL is about America, and she's America's sweetheart,
and her going to the Kansas City Chiefs game and
dating a football player that everyone is saying she has
(00:56):
put on the map, every woman, that is, except for
everyone who's a football fan. And it's very polarizing, and
there's a big debate because men are getting pissed off
that women are saying that Taylor put him on the map.
And I'm sitting here fighting battles when I realized that
he was and he is a successful football player, and
football fans alike across America know that. But football is
(01:19):
very American, Taylor is very American and very global. She
is an international megastar. Her rise is stratospheric. So while
It's a touching story that people say that Travis was
a gargantuan football star because he won two Super Bowl rings.
(01:40):
I get that, but Taylor Swift is next level shit. Well,
NBC and Bravo have strengthened workplace conditions for talent, and
(02:00):
a letter written by one of the heads at NBC,
Francis Barrick, who used to be one of the heads
of Bravo. She wrote a letter that was either leaked
or that people just found. I think it might have
been leaked, but said that they're going to strengthen their
(02:20):
practices surrounding alcohol consumption workplace conditions. They said that as
always people will meet with a psychologist before, during, and after.
That's never been the case. No one's ever met with
a psychologist before, during, or after. That has to be
a new implemented policy. And I did hear that. I
(02:40):
did hear from a very very good factual source that
already on Housewives, they've really shifted the practices because of
the reality reckoning. Now we get to different dumb dums
in the Bravo sphere that are saying that alcohol was
never forced on talent. First of all, the bravosphere is
(03:02):
very big and there are many different types of shows.
That's like saying that every single restaurant in New York
City has the same policies, because there are so many
different production companies and so many different budgets and so
many different shows. So while Housewives is one big franchise
and it seems like one big entity, it's not. It's
(03:22):
a bunch of different individual franchises. Actually, the Housewives overall, well,
the Housewives overall is a franchise and each city is
a franchise e. So each city as a franchise ee,
I e. Atlanta, Potomac, New York, and so on, Miami,
they're franchisees. Each franchisee operates their business in a different manner.
(03:46):
So one production company runs New York. They could be
doing things one way, and they could be making their
lattes one way, and another franchisee is running Atlanta, and
it's an entirely different person with an entirely different budget,
with entirely different circumstances in a different city, and they're
running it differently. And every production company, and I've worked
(04:08):
with many of them, runs their operation differently. So for
the dumb dums saying that overall buy and large, they
were never forced to drink. Well, they may never have
been forced to drink. And no one's ever poured alcohol
down anyone's throat that I've seen. But I have seen
women drink eight to ten cocktails and the producers are
(04:29):
right there ordering alcohol for every single night. And I've
seen producers spare no expense at giving everybody the a
la carte list of all the alcohol they want and
never intervening in how much they drink. So, when you
have people under very very stressful conditions, like cameras on
(04:50):
for all hours of the day, like conflict, like verbal abuse,
like arguing, like a medium that celebrates you're always winning
in your always losing, meaning someone's always winning, someone's always losing,
someone's always getting killed, someone's always being killed. So therefore,
what sounds like a great idea grabbing a drink? Why
(05:10):
you're activated, you are heightened, your nervous system is at
a ten, your nerves are shot, and you're thirsty because
you're dehydrated. So an alcoholic beverage always seems like a
great idea, but is it? So? While the dumb dums
want to say, yeah, no, alcohol wasn't forced on people
(05:32):
it's something that is very much nurtured, welcomed, celebrated, honored,
and also rewarded. You get wasted, you get fucked up,
you do a crazy thing, the scene does well, the
ratings are good, you get renewed like that's how the
thing works. So don't fucking bullshit a bullshitter that ran
(05:55):
the game better than anyone's ever run the game. So
and I left twice. Anybody fired speaking on matters about
the Housewives is disgruntled and probably doesn't even know how
the real game works because they never had any real
power or any kind of position. And I think it's
(06:17):
to a I've applauded the fact that, by whatever means
were necessary, that the Bravo sphere has put it into
the universe that they're tightening up workplace conditions, because if
there wasn't if everything I said didn't exist, why would
there be a need to tighten it up. Because Bethany
(06:39):
Frankel decided I had it was beside that I was
forced to be reckoned with all of a sudden, Now
a multi billion dollar public company is going to issue
a letter and a public statement saying that they're going
to change their policies on alcohol and workplace conditions because
I said it, Yeah, there must have been a problem.
I mustn't have made it up. So the reckoning is real,
(07:00):
and it's not easy to ruffle feathers. It's really not
easy to do the right thing. It's not easy to
have a voice. And it's so much so that so
far that I know of three reality talent personalities have
(07:21):
come forward and wanted to publicly share their story with
me on this podcast, and all three of them, all
three of them have been blocked, banned, strongly discouraged from
associating with me, saying that they will be unemployable if
they align with the reality reckoning in any way. And
(07:43):
I am the reckoning, So that's number one. Two production
people have told me that they also have been told
in no uncertain terms that they can't work with me
or they won't work in the reality that's on the
production side. So so far, it's been five people that in
(08:04):
one way or another Bravo has said they cannot come
on this show or they cannot work in any area
of production with me. Now I don't care, because the
people in power, meaning the people at studios, running agencies,
running the industry, the people at SAG after the people
in the media. They all know that I'm right, and
(08:26):
they are all on the right side of history, and
they all know that I'm doing the right thing. That
are being moved around the board, and they're nervous because
they don't want to fuck around with their livelihood. And
it's not unlike any other industry when people are told
to shut the fuck up and be quiet. You're a
camera person, you are a sound person, you are a producer.
(08:47):
You saw shit go down, but you need to work.
In a time when there's a big strike and actors
can't work and people on scripted programs can't work, you
are grabbing every job you can. And even though you
know it's fucked up and you're watching what's gone down,
you don't want to fuck around the realm either, because
it's providing you your meal ticket. And it's why Candy
(09:10):
and Erica Jane and other people have said it doesn't
affect them because they can handle themselves. Like I said,
I'm sure people you know before me too, were walking
around offices where people said nice tits, and these women said, oh,
it didn't affect me because I can handle myself. I
worked at the Today Show during that era before the
Matt Lower fall out, I can handle myself. It didn't
(09:32):
happen to me, so I'm not going to say anything
because i don't want to lose my job. Well, that
reckoning was real, Black Lives Matter was real, and the
reality reckoning is real too. So those people making these
big statements are basically just saying I want to protect
my own paycheck and therefore I'm kissing the ring when
they all know that everything I've said and everything that
I'm doing is entirely correct. It just is correct. And
(09:54):
I also want to bring up other people in the
whole reality sphere that want to bring up my failures.
(10:15):
So I've had many business failures. I've had show failures,
I've had product failures, and I've had some failures that
I'm glad were failures because I didn't want to do them.
Those are the most fun failures, like the ones where
are like you kind of get out of jail free
because you don't have to continue with it. And I've
had ones where I should want to do it and
I've backed out where I've been making so much money,
(10:38):
not on leaving reality TV. You're making so much money,
but you want to back out, or you have a
production deal, but you just don't want to do the
things you're supposed to do, and you don't want to
be partners with the person you're supposed to be partners with,
so you find a way to get a loophole to
get out of the deal. And without failures, you can't
have success because failure. That's the case law for sick successes.
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The only way to succeed is by using all the
examples of what you did wrong in your failures and
what you did right in your successes, and using that
in future cases. It's why I'm so successful but overall,
and it happens a lot in the in the reality
TV space where people want to comment and say that
(11:23):
I've had so many failures. I have a podcast that
has astronomical success, incredible downloads like next Level. I have
a mocktail that's crushing it, a beautiful, gorgeous wine I created.
I invented a category in cocktails. Every single low calorie
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cocktail that you see is because of me. Every ready
to drink cocktail that you see is because of me.
Every celebrity brand that's really successful in the cocktail space
is because of me I have. I am more successful
now than at my my top dollar day on Housewives.
I make more money now than I ever have since
the very beginning. So the reason for that is because
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of my failures. All of my failures have been sewn
into this incredible success quilt. And you won't find a
very successful entrepreneur who hasn't had so many failures. You know,
Ask Mark Cuban, Ask Kim Kardashian, Ask any very successful person,
any billionaire. They've had probably as many failures as successes.
(12:29):
And it's part of it because when the stakes were
not as high, they learned the lessons that when the
stakes became high they could utilize. Kim Kardashian had a
failed credit card and failed probably I think a hair
product or tanning product, quick trim, diet. You know what,
she didn't make those mistakes. Now we're in the big
leagues with skims and with makeup, So fuck around with
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quick trim and fuck around with whatever tanning and credit
card because now we're in the big leagues where she's
playing with real, big girl billionaire money and you don't
want to fuck now. But she has all the case
law of all those years and all the case law
of any failures, her sisters and her mother. I don't
know where Kylie's swim is anymore. I don't know where
Chris Jenner's cleaning products are. You know why it doesn't
fucking matter because I know where Kylie's lip kit is,
(13:15):
and so many housewives want to talk about my failures. Oh,
she had a show that didn't get picked up. That's
the reason for the reality reckoning. First of all, false,
I walked away from the show. I had a show
that Bravo wanted about the suburbs that I walked away from.
(13:37):
It's all coming out. I have all the receipts, but
I just want to illustrate that people run their mouths
off and they don't know what they're talking about. And
failure is critical to success. Just remember that when you
feel like you're failing, and you feel like you're thinking
about all the things you fucked up and did wrong,
or even just one failure, and that that's going to
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define you, shift upside down. It's just case law. It's
something that happened that is an amazing and valuable lesson,
and whatever it was, it won't happen again. And whatever
you learned during that experience, it won't happen again. And
whatever happened during your successes, you'll make sure to double down.
It's very important to embrace your failures and also to
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embrace others' failures too. Does it me and Anderson Cooper's
not successful because he had a failed talk show? Does
it mean he hasn't accomplished anything in his career? Does
it mean anything that Kim Kardashian was working with quick trim?
Does that mean anything today? I don't think. So you
got to hit It takes a long time, and you
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got to kiss a lot of frogs before it becomes
a prince. But only dummies call out other people's failures
as if it defines them. The Sophie Turner and Joe
Jonas drama is interesting. The mistake that we're all making
(15:04):
is reading the media as if their tea leaves, as
if they say anything. Because Joe Jonas said something about
Sophie as a parent right now, First we thought, oh,
she was an absentee parent. Then it became the Queen
of the North is the queen, and he's really the
absentee parent, and he's trying to paint turn a bad
light as his PR team went first. Then it goes
(15:27):
to she wants to take the kids to the UK
because that was the deal that they have, and then
it goes to he's illegally keeping them in States, and
it's back and forth, and it's back and forth, and
it's basically a terrible game because they will keep hitting
the ball back and forth, like any divorce, like any
non celebrity divorce, the ball keeps getting hit back and forth.
The last person who hit it thought they got the
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last laugh. Then it comes back even stronger on the
person who just hit it. You think you hit the ball,
you got a clean shot. Fucking's going to come back
and whack you in the face. It will go on.
It's a breeding ground for gossip until the thing is
locked and settled and shut down until everything is done,
the divorce is final. This is how much money this
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person's paying, This is where the kids are gonna live now,
and then everyone shut the fuck up. It's the muck
right now, and the muck is terrible. The only thing
I will say is the last time I've seen a
situation where one parent wants to have the kids move
to another country was with Kelly Rutherford and her ex husband,
the woman from Gossip Girl, and in the beginning, everybody
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was really team Kelly and thought it was all Kelly,
and he seemed like a monster because he had done
something wrong or illegal or something with business, and she
wanted the kids to be here. And we will never
know the full details, but all we will know is
that the kids were living in the US and somehow,
somehow those children moved to France and Kelly Rutherford every
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week had to be on an airplane back and forth
flying coach to see her kids because it was sucking
up all of her money and she had spent all
her money on lawyers trying to get her kids. And
her kids live in France with the dad. So they
took the kids away from a mother because of some
fucking around that was going on. And I don't know
what it was, but you cannot play around in matters
of divorce. You can't get cute, you can't try to
play to the court of public opinion like Kanye did,
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and you cannot fuck around with the real court. So
the two of these, Sophie and Joe, are doing it
wrong because it will only damage the whole situation. Then
they both have to find a way to align, and
it will be very challenging for her to get those
kids moved to another country, even if that was some
sort of an arrangement, because he can say that that
arrangement was made because that he agreed that the kids
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would live in the UK, because he thought they were
going to stay together, And like, there's just so many subplots.
I've experienced it myself. Believe me, I've experienced it myself. Specifically,
I was going to do a talk show in LA
and the reason we didn't do the talk show in
LA was because I think I think that there was
(18:02):
a fear that then what if, the what if my
daughter would then have to live in LA. I don't
want to get into details about my own stuff right now,
because it's not really about me. I'm just saying take
it from someone who knows. The Sophie and Joe thing
is a mess, and when you're dealing with international custody,
it can get real gnarly. And just look at Kelly Rutherford.
Look at Kelly Rutherford. She does not have custody of
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her children. They live in France and she lives in
New York. That sounds like excruciating torture. So these two
need to tread lightly because just because everybody on TikTok
says you're a queen of the North or he's King
of the South doesn't mean dog, doesn't mean shit. They
just have to be quiet, tell their representatives to shut
the fuck up, settle, and then they can make all
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their You knows, it's just got to try to keep
everything private as possible as possible. It's so tempting, it's
so tempting. It's just fuel. It's literally gasoline on the fire.
Joe is saying, saying that it's misleading that he was
withholding the daughter's passports. Yes, there are things that go on,
like one year I'm supposed to hold the passports, another
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year my ex is supposed to hold the passports. That
comes out in a custody agreement, who's holding the passports.
Think about it. Say you've got a terrible contentious situation
and you're just worried that the ex is gonna like
not want you to make your flight and like pretend
that they don't have the passports at the last minute,
and you get anxiety about things you think you'd never
get anxiety about passports or a tremendous source of anxiety,
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and the average person thinks, what the fuck? So no
one's gonna keep the passports. I've had weeks go by
where you're still emailing. Can I get the passports? Can
I have the passport? Can I have her passport? You're
just worried. It's like wanting to know where passports are
is a very big thing. So he's saying it's misleading.
Maybe for whatever reason, he was nervous that she was
gonna take the passports and take the kids to the UK.
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I'm playing devil's advocate. I don't know either of them.
I don't know the situation. I just know the dynamics
that can exist. It's not easy, and everything sounds it's
like a good idea when you're in love. And it's
why you have to have a pre nup and a
post nup if necessary. You've gotta get the shit organized.
And everybody only focuses about the money and a prenup.
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It's always about the money. No one does a custody prenup. Okay, Joe,
we have kids. What happens, Let's write the prenup now
for the custody. Where would the kids live if we
broke up. What kind of schools would the kids go
to if we broke up? You know, that's why decision
making is more important than custody time. Everybody in divorce
thinks the custody time is the most important thing because
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the baby's young and you just want to be with
your baby. That's not the important part. Your kid's thirteen
is having emotional issues. Your kid's sixteen is doing drugs,
your kid has anxiety, your kid has asthma. Can't live
in an area where you can't breathe. One parent's gonna
have to make a fucking decision. That's why decision making
is most important. So it matters with Sophie and Joe
is going to be who gets decision making. But decision
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making does not include what state or country a kid
lives in. That's like a bigger custody issue. That's a
major custody issue. That is not like you get decision
making and you get to decide that the kid's now
going to live in UK. Decision making means education, medical,
like those types of decisions like will the kid go
to camp? Religion is something too that has to be
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worked out in the beginning. You could be dating someone,
you could be engaged with someone. It sounds great. Sure,
I'll come with you to church sometimes. Yes, you can
come with me to temple. Yay, And it's all cute.
Because you're in love, you'll do anything. Then you're married.
You don't want your kid to go to temple because
you want them to raise Christian or you say it's
okay that they were baptized Christian. That's okay, but you
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don't want your kid going to church every Sunday. Maybe
you don't want that, maybe they don't want that. Maybe
you want your kids to be able to go to
the high holidays if they're Jewish. What are the things
that matter? Lay this shit out ahead of time. It
is not cute, it is not romantic, and it is
not sexy, but it is entirely necessary. Otherwise, don't get married.
Taylor Swift. How fascinating that Taylor Swift has not only
moved the needle, but a seismic shift in the football
world NFL and they're all happy to have her. Has
there been somebody with this Has there been somebody with
this level of impact in decades since the Beatles? And
(00:36):
I say that because also she's beloved, so some people
have a tremendous impact. But they're polarizing. I mean, she's beloved,
and the NFL is about America, and she's America's sweetheart,
and her going to the Kansas City Chiefs game and
dating a football player that everyone is saying she has
(00:56):
put on the map, every woman, that is, except for
everyone who's a football fan. And it's very polarizing, and
there's a big debate because men are getting pissed off
that women are saying that Taylor put him on the map.
And I'm sitting here fighting battles when I realized that
he was and he is a successful football player, and
football fans alike across America know that. But football is
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very American, Taylor is very American and very global. She
is an international megastar. Her rise is stratospheric. So while
It's a touching story that people say that Travis was
a gargantuan football star because he won two Super Bowl rings.
(01:40):
I get that, but Taylor Swift is next level shit. Well,
NBC and Bravo have strengthened workplace conditions for talent, and
(02:00):
a letter written by one of the heads at NBC,
Francis Barrick, who used to be one of the heads
of Bravo. She wrote a letter that was either leaked
or that people just found. I think it might have
been leaked, but said that they're going to strengthen their
(02:20):
practices surrounding alcohol consumption workplace conditions. They said that as
always people will meet with a psychologist before, during, and after.
That's never been the case. No one's ever met with
a psychologist before, during, or after. That has to be
a new implemented policy. And I did hear that. I
(02:40):
did hear from a very very good factual source that
already on Housewives, they've really shifted the practices because of
the reality reckoning. Now we get to different dumb dums
in the Bravo sphere that are saying that alcohol was
never forced on talent. First of all, the bravosphere is
(03:02):
very big and there are many different types of shows.
That's like saying that every single restaurant in New York
City has the same policies, because there are so many
different production companies and so many different budgets and so
many different shows. So while Housewives is one big franchise
and it seems like one big entity, it's not. It's
(03:22):
a bunch of different individual franchises. Actually, the Housewives overall, well,
the Housewives overall is a franchise and each city is
a franchise e. So each city as a franchise ee,
I e. Atlanta, Potomac, New York, and so on, Miami,
they're franchisees. Each franchisee operates their business in a different manner.
(03:46):
So one production company runs New York. They could be
doing things one way, and they could be making their
lattes one way, and another franchisee is running Atlanta, and
it's an entirely different person with an entirely different budget,
with entirely different circumstances in a different city, and they're
running it differently. And every production company, and I've worked
(04:08):
with many of them, runs their operation differently. So for
the dumb dums saying that overall buy and large, they
were never forced to drink. Well, they may never have
been forced to drink. And no one's ever poured alcohol
down anyone's throat that I've seen. But I have seen
women drink eight to ten cocktails and the producers are
(04:29):
right there ordering alcohol for every single night. And I've
seen producers spare no expense at giving everybody the a
la carte list of all the alcohol they want and
never intervening in how much they drink. So, when you
have people under very very stressful conditions, like cameras on
(04:50):
for all hours of the day, like conflict, like verbal abuse,
like arguing, like a medium that celebrates you're always winning
in your always losing, meaning someone's always winning, someone's always losing,
someone's always getting killed, someone's always being killed. So therefore,
what sounds like a great idea grabbing a drink? Why
(05:10):
you're activated, you are heightened, your nervous system is at
a ten, your nerves are shot, and you're thirsty because
you're dehydrated. So an alcoholic beverage always seems like a
great idea, but is it? So? While the dumb dums
want to say, yeah, no, alcohol wasn't forced on people
(05:32):
it's something that is very much nurtured, welcomed, celebrated, honored,
and also rewarded. You get wasted, you get fucked up,
you do a crazy thing, the scene does well, the
ratings are good, you get renewed like that's how the
thing works. So don't fucking bullshit a bullshitter that ran
(05:55):
the game better than anyone's ever run the game. So
and I left twice. Anybody fired speaking on matters about
the Housewives is disgruntled and probably doesn't even know how
the real game works because they never had any real
power or any kind of position. And I think it's
(06:17):
to a I've applauded the fact that, by whatever means
were necessary, that the Bravo sphere has put it into
the universe that they're tightening up workplace conditions, because if
there wasn't if everything I said didn't exist, why would
there be a need to tighten it up. Because Bethany
(06:39):
Frankel decided I had it was beside that I was
forced to be reckoned with all of a sudden, Now
a multi billion dollar public company is going to issue
a letter and a public statement saying that they're going
to change their policies on alcohol and workplace conditions because
I said it, Yeah, there must have been a problem.
I mustn't have made it up. So the reckoning is real,
(07:00):
and it's not easy to ruffle feathers. It's really not
easy to do the right thing. It's not easy to
have a voice. And it's so much so that so
far that I know of three reality talent personalities have
(07:21):
come forward and wanted to publicly share their story with
me on this podcast, and all three of them, all
three of them have been blocked, banned, strongly discouraged from
associating with me, saying that they will be unemployable if
they align with the reality reckoning in any way. And
(07:43):
I am the reckoning, So that's number one. Two production
people have told me that they also have been told
in no uncertain terms that they can't work with me
or they won't work in the reality that's on the
production side. So so far, it's been five people that in
(08:04):
one way or another Bravo has said they cannot come
on this show or they cannot work in any area
of production with me. Now I don't care, because the
people in power, meaning the people at studios, running agencies,
running the industry, the people at SAG after the people
in the media. They all know that I'm right, and
(08:26):
they are all on the right side of history, and
they all know that I'm doing the right thing. That
are being moved around the board, and they're nervous because
they don't want to fuck around with their livelihood. And
it's not unlike any other industry when people are told
to shut the fuck up and be quiet. You're a
camera person, you are a sound person, you are a producer.
(08:47):
You saw shit go down, but you need to work.
In a time when there's a big strike and actors
can't work and people on scripted programs can't work, you
are grabbing every job you can. And even though you
know it's fucked up and you're watching what's gone down,
you don't want to fuck around the realm either, because
it's providing you your meal ticket. And it's why Candy
(09:10):
and Erica Jane and other people have said it doesn't
affect them because they can handle themselves. Like I said,
I'm sure people you know before me too, were walking
around offices where people said nice tits, and these women said, oh,
it didn't affect me because I can handle myself. I
worked at the Today Show during that era before the
Matt Lower fall out, I can handle myself. It didn't
(09:32):
happen to me, so I'm not going to say anything
because i don't want to lose my job. Well, that
reckoning was real, Black Lives Matter was real, and the
reality reckoning is real too. So those people making these
big statements are basically just saying I want to protect
my own paycheck and therefore I'm kissing the ring when
they all know that everything I've said and everything that
I'm doing is entirely correct. It just is correct. And
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I also want to bring up other people in the
whole reality sphere that want to bring up my failures.
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So I've had many business failures. I've had show failures,
I've had product failures, and I've had some failures that
I'm glad were failures because I didn't want to do them.
Those are the most fun failures, like the ones where
are like you kind of get out of jail free
because you don't have to continue with it. And I've
had ones where I should want to do it and
I've backed out where I've been making so much money,
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not on leaving reality TV. You're making so much money,
but you want to back out, or you have a
production deal, but you just don't want to do the
things you're supposed to do, and you don't want to
be partners with the person you're supposed to be partners with,
so you find a way to get a loophole to
get out of the deal. And without failures, you can't
have success because failure. That's the case law for sick successes.
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The only way to succeed is by using all the
examples of what you did wrong in your failures and
what you did right in your successes, and using that
in future cases. It's why I'm so successful but overall,
and it happens a lot in the in the reality
TV space where people want to comment and say that
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I've had so many failures. I have a podcast that
has astronomical success, incredible downloads like next Level. I have
a mocktail that's crushing it, a beautiful, gorgeous wine I created.
I invented a category in cocktails. Every single low calorie
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cocktail that you see is because of me. Every ready
to drink cocktail that you see is because of me.
Every celebrity brand that's really successful in the cocktail space
is because of me I have. I am more successful
now than at my my top dollar day on Housewives.
I make more money now than I ever have since
the very beginning. So the reason for that is because
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of my failures. All of my failures have been sewn
into this incredible success quilt. And you won't find a
very successful entrepreneur who hasn't had so many failures. You know,
Ask Mark Cuban, Ask Kim Kardashian, Ask any very successful person,
any billionaire. They've had probably as many failures as successes.
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And it's part of it because when the stakes were
not as high, they learned the lessons that when the
stakes became high they could utilize. Kim Kardashian had a
failed credit card and failed probably I think a hair
product or tanning product, quick trim, diet. You know what,
she didn't make those mistakes. Now we're in the big
leagues with skims and with makeup, So fuck around with
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quick trim and fuck around with whatever tanning and credit
card because now we're in the big leagues where she's
playing with real, big girl billionaire money and you don't
want to fuck now. But she has all the case
law of all those years and all the case law
of any failures, her sisters and her mother. I don't
know where Kylie's swim is anymore. I don't know where
Chris Jenner's cleaning products are. You know why it doesn't
fucking matter because I know where Kylie's lip kit is,
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and so many housewives want to talk about my failures. Oh,
she had a show that didn't get picked up. That's
the reason for the reality reckoning. First of all, false,
I walked away from the show. I had a show
that Bravo wanted about the suburbs that I walked away from.
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It's all coming out. I have all the receipts, but
I just want to illustrate that people run their mouths
off and they don't know what they're talking about. And
failure is critical to success. Just remember that when you
feel like you're failing, and you feel like you're thinking
about all the things you fucked up and did wrong,
or even just one failure, and that that's going to
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define you, shift upside down. It's just case law. It's
something that happened that is an amazing and valuable lesson,
and whatever it was, it won't happen again. And whatever
you learned during that experience, it won't happen again. And
whatever happened during your successes, you'll make sure to double down.
It's very important to embrace your failures and also to
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embrace others' failures too. Does it me and Anderson Cooper's
not successful because he had a failed talk show? Does
it mean he hasn't accomplished anything in his career? Does
it mean anything that Kim Kardashian was working with quick trim?
Does that mean anything today? I don't think. So you
got to hit It takes a long time, and you
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got to kiss a lot of frogs before it becomes
a prince. But only dummies call out other people's failures
as if it defines them. The Sophie Turner and Joe
Jonas drama is interesting. The mistake that we're all making
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is reading the media as if their tea leaves, as
if they say anything. Because Joe Jonas said something about
Sophie as a parent right now, First we thought, oh,
she was an absentee parent. Then it became the Queen
of the North is the queen, and he's really the
absentee parent, and he's trying to paint turn a bad
light as his PR team went first. Then it goes
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to she wants to take the kids to the UK
because that was the deal that they have, and then
it goes to he's illegally keeping them in States, and
it's back and forth, and it's back and forth, and
it's basically a terrible game because they will keep hitting
the ball back and forth, like any divorce, like any
non celebrity divorce, the ball keeps getting hit back and forth.
The last person who hit it thought they got the
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last laugh. Then it comes back even stronger on the
person who just hit it. You think you hit the ball,
you got a clean shot. Fucking's going to come back
and whack you in the face. It will go on.
It's a breeding ground for gossip until the thing is
locked and settled and shut down until everything is done,
the divorce is final. This is how much money this
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person's paying, This is where the kids are gonna live now,
and then everyone shut the fuck up. It's the muck
right now, and the muck is terrible. The only thing
I will say is the last time I've seen a
situation where one parent wants to have the kids move
to another country was with Kelly Rutherford and her ex husband,
the woman from Gossip Girl, and in the beginning, everybody
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was really team Kelly and thought it was all Kelly,
and he seemed like a monster because he had done
something wrong or illegal or something with business, and she
wanted the kids to be here. And we will never
know the full details, but all we will know is
that the kids were living in the US and somehow,
somehow those children moved to France and Kelly Rutherford every
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week had to be on an airplane back and forth
flying coach to see her kids because it was sucking
up all of her money and she had spent all
her money on lawyers trying to get her kids. And
her kids live in France with the dad. So they
took the kids away from a mother because of some
fucking around that was going on. And I don't know
what it was, but you cannot play around in matters
of divorce. You can't get cute, you can't try to
play to the court of public opinion like Kanye did,
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and you cannot fuck around with the real court. So
the two of these, Sophie and Joe, are doing it
wrong because it will only damage the whole situation. Then
they both have to find a way to align, and
it will be very challenging for her to get those
kids moved to another country, even if that was some
sort of an arrangement, because he can say that that
arrangement was made because that he agreed that the kids
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would live in the UK, because he thought they were
going to stay together, And like, there's just so many subplots.
I've experienced it myself. Believe me, I've experienced it myself. Specifically,
I was going to do a talk show in LA
and the reason we didn't do the talk show in
LA was because I think I think that there was
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a fear that then what if, the what if my
daughter would then have to live in LA. I don't
want to get into details about my own stuff right now,
because it's not really about me. I'm just saying take
it from someone who knows. The Sophie and Joe thing
is a mess, and when you're dealing with international custody,
it can get real gnarly. And just look at Kelly Rutherford.
Look at Kelly Rutherford. She does not have custody of
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her children. They live in France and she lives in
New York. That sounds like excruciating torture. So these two
need to tread lightly because just because everybody on TikTok
says you're a queen of the North or he's King
of the South doesn't mean dog, doesn't mean shit. They
just have to be quiet, tell their representatives to shut
the fuck up, settle, and then they can make all
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their You knows, it's just got to try to keep
everything private as possible as possible. It's so tempting, it's
so tempting. It's just fuel. It's literally gasoline on the fire.
Joe is saying, saying that it's misleading that he was
withholding the daughter's passports. Yes, there are things that go on,
like one year I'm supposed to hold the passports, another
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year my ex is supposed to hold the passports. That
comes out in a custody agreement, who's holding the passports.
Think about it. Say you've got a terrible contentious situation
and you're just worried that the ex is gonna like
not want you to make your flight and like pretend
that they don't have the passports at the last minute,
and you get anxiety about things you think you'd never
get anxiety about passports or a tremendous source of anxiety,
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and the average person thinks, what the fuck? So no
one's gonna keep the passports. I've had weeks go by
where you're still emailing. Can I get the passports? Can
I have the passport? Can I have her passport? You're
just worried. It's like wanting to know where passports are
is a very big thing. So he's saying it's misleading.
Maybe for whatever reason, he was nervous that she was
gonna take the passports and take the kids to the UK.
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I'm playing devil's advocate. I don't know either of them.
I don't know the situation. I just know the dynamics
that can exist. It's not easy, and everything sounds it's
like a good idea when you're in love. And it's
why you have to have a pre nup and a
post nup if necessary. You've gotta get the shit organized.
And everybody only focuses about the money and a prenup.
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It's always about the money. No one does a custody prenup. Okay, Joe,
we have kids. What happens, Let's write the prenup now
for the custody. Where would the kids live if we
broke up. What kind of schools would the kids go
to if we broke up? You know, that's why decision
making is more important than custody time. Everybody in divorce
thinks the custody time is the most important thing because
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the baby's young and you just want to be with
your baby. That's not the important part. Your kid's thirteen
is having emotional issues. Your kid's sixteen is doing drugs,
your kid has anxiety, your kid has asthma. Can't live
in an area where you can't breathe. One parent's gonna
have to make a fucking decision. That's why decision making
is most important. So it matters with Sophie and Joe
is going to be who gets decision making. But decision
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making does not include what state or country a kid
lives in. That's like a bigger custody issue. That's a
major custody issue. That is not like you get decision
making and you get to decide that the kid's now
going to live in UK. Decision making means education, medical,
like those types of decisions like will the kid go
to camp? Religion is something too that has to be
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worked out in the beginning. You could be dating someone,
you could be engaged with someone. It sounds great. Sure,
I'll come with you to church sometimes. Yes, you can
come with me to temple. Yay, And it's all cute.
Because you're in love, you'll do anything. Then you're married.
You don't want your kid to go to temple because
you want them to raise Christian or you say it's
okay that they were baptized Christian. That's okay, but you
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don't want your kid going to church every Sunday. Maybe
you don't want that, maybe they don't want that. Maybe
you want your kids to be able to go to
the high holidays if they're Jewish. What are the things
that matter? Lay this shit out ahead of time. It
is not cute, it is not romantic, and it is
not sexy, but it is entirely necessary. Otherwise, don't get married.
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