November 24, 2022 • 12 mins
Bethenny recalls bridges she’s burned which includes dumping a drink on a woman at a party in the Hamptons and the career fallout that followed it.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Burning bridges. Now, listen up here, just don't do it.
And when I say sometimes you really really want to
burn the house down and you want to get that
point and you want to do it or you want
to say it, and I'm telling you something, you don't
(00:29):
realize when you are and when you aren't burning bridges. Okay,
so let's put it this way. Money Court is coming
out on CNBC. I know that I'm on it. The
trailers are out, We're getting billboards, busses, taxis. It's an
amazing show with myself and Kevin O'Leary. It's binding arbitration.
We settle high stakes business disputes. They have to listen
(00:51):
to us. It's an amazing show. You're gonna love it.
It's no on CNBC. It's phenomenal. I'm not even kidding.
It's my most favorite project I've ever done. And mostly
so in addition to Rewives, my new podcast where I
break down the housewives with a really interesting guest, I'm
doing things that I want to do now. I am
doing what I love. I've walked away from so much
(01:14):
money for so many things that made me feel bad
about myself, so I'm really happy. So I wanted this project,
and it's not the highest ever been paid in my career.
It's just a project I really wanted to do and
it's so good and I just can't tell you how
good it is. It's really wonderful. And Kevin felt the
same way. I thought I was gonna hate him or
kill him, and it was the opposite. It was great.
So I was having dinner with one of the highest
(01:35):
up at CNBC. Now, CNBC is part of NBC Universal,
which owns also E Now and Bravo and all this
other stuff. Now, CNBC is its own entity and they
can make their own decisions and they have a high
They have the definitely wealthiest audience on television, which I
did not know, so it's perfect. It's like a business show.
So that person said to me that before doing this
(01:58):
show and casting me, which you know, I'm a producer
on the show too, that they went to the powers
that be at Bravo to see if there were any
landlines there. Now. Number one, it could be that I'm
just an absolute nightmare to work with and I'm late
every time I do drugs on set, whatever the hell
someone wants to say. Number two, it could be that
(02:19):
I really pissed people off. And when I left The Housewives,
it wasn't that fun for Bravo because they found it
out really close to shooting. But I thought that I
was going to shoot the season they on The Housewives
the last my last season, they cast some I suggested
someone someone came through me for the show because I
(02:40):
thought I was going to be on the show. When
we are waiting for the next season, we are always
the dummies that never know anything. Like I go into
a normal show like CNBC Money Court, I know exactly
what I'm walking into and who was going to be there.
Housewives of the Talent has literally no power. So you
are about to start shooting in a couple of weeks
and you don't know who you're shooting. If you don't
know who the cast is, it's totally under wraps. Okay,
(03:02):
no problem. Now, I had earned my stripes after all
the years there, and I was definitely under different rules
and made different money than everybody else. That is just
a fact. But the person that I recommended for the
show was cast into the show and nobody told me.
So I found out and thought, what the funk, Like
I'm the one who suggested her like I suggested this person.
(03:24):
So you think the Bravo or the production company will
come back and say, oh, yeah, we're going with this person.
But no, it's all under wraps because of the cast
and the whole thing. But I felt I didn't love that.
No big deal. Then something else stupid like that happened.
And then because of a contract term, which I'll tell
on rewives, there was something that I wouldn't budge on.
It was totally in principle, and I also was looking
(03:46):
for a reason to leave. I really just wanted to leave.
I wouldn't budge on it, and Bravo wouldn't budge and
I said, they said this, we're not budging on that.
And I said, okay, is it best and final, which
is a term in business meaning like that's it now.
You never do best in fine unless you're willing to walk,
because you will say to sounding, okay, I'm offering you
two thousand dollars for this piece of art, best and final,
(04:07):
and then if you really would have given two thousand,
you look like an idiot and you have no credibility.
And everybody does that, And that's totally what happens all
the time with the Housewives and they're negotiating. So I
was looking for a reason to leave because I know,
based on past Bravo seasons and how they negotiate that
when we were finally up and shooting, if I wasn't filming,
the production company would have pressured the network and said
(04:30):
we need fucking Bethany and they would have folded on
that term because that always happens for me, because it's
never something unreasonable, and then it would have happened. But
I just was looking for a reason to leave. I
just was. And I said, we said it's the best
and final. They said best and final. I said to
my lawyerous call again, say from the head of legal,
is it best and final? And they said it's best.
They said yes, And I said, flip the switch. I
(04:52):
have a I'm writing something up, I'm posting a picture,
and I'm out. So we posted and we left and
the head of Bravo I spoke to and they said
to me, you know, you could have called me. You
should have called me, and I said, you know, I don't.
I'm not. I'm not a baby where like I'm playing
games with lawyers, like if you have the head of leaders,
senior vice president legal or the head of legal. But
(05:12):
it was like a high high up legal person says
best and final, that's your lawyer, that's your representative. Like
they speak to you, they speak to their their they're
brought you know, like my lawyers don't just half cocked
to go say things to people that are not in
my behalf. And I said, yeah, I went through the yeah,
we we talked to you lawyers multiple times, went back
and forth. The point is it wasn't that fun for Bravo.
(05:35):
But I did not burn the house down, meaning I
left after I got confirmation for my lawyers. There lawyer's
my lawyers. There lawyers, my lawyers. Their lawyers talk to
my bubb as is talked to my business managers, made
a decision talk to Paul. Left. Years later when I'm
doing a CNBC show which is owned by the same property,
(05:58):
and the CNBC person asked, Bravo, are there any problems
because we're putting Bethany in the show. While I may
not be their favorite person for that move, it was
just business. It's it was just business. Ironically, it is
very personal. That's why I have a book called Businesses Personal.
But it was fair business. It wasn't burning some bridge,
and it was just that I left and it wasn't
(06:21):
that fun. Sometimes it's not that fun for them and me.
So years later they did not stay to c NBC
Run Don't Walk. They said, no, no problem, which is
how I ended up being on the c NBC show
that I love. The point is, and I have more
specific examples. You just don't know what's coming around the
bend and who knows who and who knows what and
(06:42):
who's connected, and you didn't even think that they were.
And you're like, well, that's not gonna happen, but you
and you know the other way too. Oh. I had
an incident where I poured a drink on some insufferable
women in the Hampton said Steven uh Stevens Steven's talkhouse.
And the woman's one of the women's husband ins And
that wasn't even the woman that was the most agreed,
just her husband. He ended up working for Trump. He
(07:04):
left Goldman. Goldman had done the first series of of
funding for Serious Radio. The girl who used to be
an executive producer at Today's Show was working there and
she every day I was like, we just we want you.
Every day you could talk to anybody, we would like
to have a show with you every day, but that
would have entailed before COVID that I went into Serious
(07:25):
radio every day. I said, I don't. I couldn't. I
can't give you that time. I couldn't do it. I
couldn't go to Arames every day if you paid me,
I don't have the time. So they were all but
begging me to do it. After the after the drink toss,
Serious went cold. They went Cold Play because that was
a Cold Play concert. Cold cold, like I funked with
the wrong person and that and and that just went
(07:48):
cold and thank god. But by the way, here I
am on. I heart thrilled, and so it's a trajectory
that I'm thrilled about. But I'm just saying, like, you
do something, you curse someone out, you're rude on a plane,
you do something you never know who's watching, who they know.
It's just you just gotta hold your tongue and your
actions and be careful how you operate. Because I wasn't
(08:11):
shoddy in the way that I left Housewives, it just
wasn't that popular. My daughter makes fun of me for
(08:31):
many reasons, one being that she'll come home and I'll say,
did she get a compliment on your jeans? Said, She's
like no, I'm like wash, Like people don't compliment, like
what talking about? But still every time she wear something
super cute, she's got the style, like she's got this
natural style. She could buy a two dollar shirt and
everyone's obsessed. Okay, so some days, like some big days,
(08:53):
I'll be like, no, there's no I'll bully her too.
No way you didn't get I'll buy or something. I'm like,
there's no way you didn't get a compliment today on
that because they're like these amazing pants that have like
crystals all over them there blue, and you found them
in a French flea market. And I'm like there's no way.
And she's like I did a couple of people and
then they're like really cool sneakers. I'm like, you definitely
(09:14):
got boy compliments. Say you were wearing Jordan's and her
orange and red, and she's like, yes, a couple. I'm like,
what did they say? Like I don't ask her like
how is school? How is your homework? She could literally
be getting zeros and she could be getting D minuses,
But I'm like, but she's getting a pluses in her outfits,
and I'm like, listen to me, what were the compliments?
Tell me what did the boys say? I don't know.
I'm like, I want to know exactly. I don't know
(09:36):
people like you skirt? Yes? What what did they say?
Word for word? I'm in a housewife scene with her.
We all the tape. What did they say? So so
she'll tell me later. She'm like, somebody liked my something.
I'm like, see. So then she she laughed. She's like, well,
you didn't ask me my test. I'm like, how is
your test? So then she were we were we She
(09:59):
reminded me. She's like used to toward me about my
lunch box. So I used to put like little stickers
on it said like have a great day. And I
found these little cute cocktail napkins. I had like these
little puns on them, like do not with a doughnut,
like donut miss me too much today? Or like an
olives like I'll of you. I'm making this up with
like stuff like that, with cute like pictures. I was
(10:19):
so excited. It's like save the napkins because I didn't
know where I got them. And I play like one
napkin in a day, and you know you're amazing. You
smile on the sandwich every day, And like, I still
have some of those stickers now because I thought they
were so amazing that I didn't want to waste them all.
And now I still have them because I gonna start
making sandwiches for like Paul or somebody because I don't
have another kid, and maybe I'll just start sending my
assistant like stickers and say you're great. So I should
(10:41):
have used more than but anyway, and I just I
wouldn't do like the perfect cut off the crust where
it looks like a Japanese chef did it with like
a Santuco knife. I just like cut the sandwich in
half and wrapped it. And if we had like Tresha
travel pasta the night before or pizza or something great,
I would um put it like I would put it
into my grave right before she went to school and
(11:02):
cover it with foil and make like wanted to be
at least like lukewarm, not freezing cold over lunch. And
I made an effort, and she'd have uh, cheesecake, lollypop
cake pops and whatever. So I used to say to her,
so your mind me the other day to be like, wait,
what did anyone say about your luck? She's like nothing,
so I spent did you have the like did you
have a great lunch? Like because I wanted to know.
(11:23):
It's like I wanted to have a bad I wanted
to have better lunch than anybody else. Um, I wasn't
doing peanut and jelly. My mother was like the snob
who like, well, now we know where I got it from?
Who who? Just peanut butter and jelly was just beneath us.
I had like a nice turkey sandwich and the fruit.
And at my house we had the cold cuts and
and and you know, reveal parmesan, but not the crap.
We didn't have Captain crunch. We had life cereal so
(11:45):
um that I remember that little girl. So with Brin
was kind of halfway between. On the days I was lazy,
she'd get the peanut butter you know, sandwich and stuff
like that. But then I would always try to if
I did the boring lazy thing in the middle, like
the peanut butter sandwich, I'd try to like decorate it
on the sides of a bunch of other ships, like
here's a bad of chips, a little cake pop trying
to make myself a better mother by giving you all
the ship on the side, so she told me. Recently,
she said, used to ask me, what do people think
(12:06):
about my lunch? No one talks about their lunch, Like
what loser she go to school? What do you mean?
I totally coveted the neighbor's lunch when I was a kid,
or commented on show me. She hurt me the other
day and she said to me, your lunches weren't even
the best. She said, they were like just they were
like average. You'd give her like average lunches. They weren't
(12:26):
even the best. I was like those thoughts shots fired.
Your fucking little bitch, I mean, what a fucking little
bit
Burning bridges. Now, listen up here, just don't do it.
And when I say sometimes you really really want to
burn the house down and you want to get that
point and you want to do it or you want
to say it, and I'm telling you something, you don't
(00:29):
realize when you are and when you aren't burning bridges. Okay,
so let's put it this way. Money Court is coming
out on CNBC. I know that I'm on it. The
trailers are out, We're getting billboards, busses, taxis. It's an
amazing show with myself and Kevin O'Leary. It's binding arbitration.
We settle high stakes business disputes. They have to listen
(00:51):
to us. It's an amazing show. You're gonna love it.
It's no on CNBC. It's phenomenal. I'm not even kidding.
It's my most favorite project I've ever done. And mostly
so in addition to Rewives, my new podcast where I
break down the housewives with a really interesting guest, I'm
doing things that I want to do now. I am
doing what I love. I've walked away from so much
(01:14):
money for so many things that made me feel bad
about myself, so I'm really happy. So I wanted this project,
and it's not the highest ever been paid in my career.
It's just a project I really wanted to do and
it's so good and I just can't tell you how
good it is. It's really wonderful. And Kevin felt the
same way. I thought I was gonna hate him or
kill him, and it was the opposite. It was great.
So I was having dinner with one of the highest
(01:35):
up at CNBC. Now, CNBC is part of NBC Universal,
which owns also E Now and Bravo and all this
other stuff. Now, CNBC is its own entity and they
can make their own decisions and they have a high
They have the definitely wealthiest audience on television, which I
did not know, so it's perfect. It's like a business show.
So that person said to me that before doing this
(01:58):
show and casting me, which you know, I'm a producer
on the show too, that they went to the powers
that be at Bravo to see if there were any
landlines there. Now. Number one, it could be that I'm
just an absolute nightmare to work with and I'm late
every time I do drugs on set, whatever the hell
someone wants to say. Number two, it could be that
(02:19):
I really pissed people off. And when I left The Housewives,
it wasn't that fun for Bravo because they found it
out really close to shooting. But I thought that I
was going to shoot the season they on The Housewives
the last my last season, they cast some I suggested
someone someone came through me for the show because I
(02:40):
thought I was going to be on the show. When
we are waiting for the next season, we are always
the dummies that never know anything. Like I go into
a normal show like CNBC Money Court, I know exactly
what I'm walking into and who was going to be there.
Housewives of the Talent has literally no power. So you
are about to start shooting in a couple of weeks
and you don't know who you're shooting. If you don't
know who the cast is, it's totally under wraps. Okay,
(03:02):
no problem. Now, I had earned my stripes after all
the years there, and I was definitely under different rules
and made different money than everybody else. That is just
a fact. But the person that I recommended for the
show was cast into the show and nobody told me.
So I found out and thought, what the funk, Like
I'm the one who suggested her like I suggested this person.
(03:24):
So you think the Bravo or the production company will
come back and say, oh, yeah, we're going with this person.
But no, it's all under wraps because of the cast
and the whole thing. But I felt I didn't love that.
No big deal. Then something else stupid like that happened.
And then because of a contract term, which I'll tell
on rewives, there was something that I wouldn't budge on.
It was totally in principle, and I also was looking
(03:46):
for a reason to leave. I really just wanted to leave.
I wouldn't budge on it, and Bravo wouldn't budge and
I said, they said this, we're not budging on that.
And I said, okay, is it best and final, which
is a term in business meaning like that's it now.
You never do best in fine unless you're willing to walk,
because you will say to sounding, okay, I'm offering you
two thousand dollars for this piece of art, best and final,
(04:07):
and then if you really would have given two thousand,
you look like an idiot and you have no credibility.
And everybody does that, And that's totally what happens all
the time with the Housewives and they're negotiating. So I
was looking for a reason to leave because I know,
based on past Bravo seasons and how they negotiate that
when we were finally up and shooting, if I wasn't filming,
the production company would have pressured the network and said
(04:30):
we need fucking Bethany and they would have folded on
that term because that always happens for me, because it's
never something unreasonable, and then it would have happened. But
I just was looking for a reason to leave. I
just was. And I said, we said it's the best
and final. They said best and final. I said to
my lawyerous call again, say from the head of legal,
is it best and final? And they said it's best.
They said yes, And I said, flip the switch. I
(04:52):
have a I'm writing something up, I'm posting a picture,
and I'm out. So we posted and we left and
the head of Bravo I spoke to and they said
to me, you know, you could have called me. You
should have called me, and I said, you know, I don't.
I'm not. I'm not a baby where like I'm playing
games with lawyers, like if you have the head of leaders,
senior vice president legal or the head of legal. But
(05:12):
it was like a high high up legal person says
best and final, that's your lawyer, that's your representative. Like
they speak to you, they speak to their their they're
brought you know, like my lawyers don't just half cocked
to go say things to people that are not in
my behalf. And I said, yeah, I went through the yeah,
we we talked to you lawyers multiple times, went back
and forth. The point is it wasn't that fun for Bravo.
(05:35):
But I did not burn the house down, meaning I
left after I got confirmation for my lawyers. There lawyer's
my lawyers. There lawyers, my lawyers. Their lawyers talk to
my bubb as is talked to my business managers, made
a decision talk to Paul. Left. Years later when I'm
doing a CNBC show which is owned by the same property,
(05:58):
and the CNBC person asked, Bravo, are there any problems
because we're putting Bethany in the show. While I may
not be their favorite person for that move, it was
just business. It's it was just business. Ironically, it is
very personal. That's why I have a book called Businesses Personal.
But it was fair business. It wasn't burning some bridge,
and it was just that I left and it wasn't
(06:21):
that fun. Sometimes it's not that fun for them and me.
So years later they did not stay to c NBC
Run Don't Walk. They said, no, no problem, which is
how I ended up being on the c NBC show
that I love. The point is, and I have more
specific examples. You just don't know what's coming around the
bend and who knows who and who knows what and
(06:42):
who's connected, and you didn't even think that they were.
And you're like, well, that's not gonna happen, but you
and you know the other way too. Oh. I had
an incident where I poured a drink on some insufferable
women in the Hampton said Steven uh Stevens Steven's talkhouse.
And the woman's one of the women's husband ins And
that wasn't even the woman that was the most agreed,
just her husband. He ended up working for Trump. He
(07:04):
left Goldman. Goldman had done the first series of of
funding for Serious Radio. The girl who used to be
an executive producer at Today's Show was working there and
she every day I was like, we just we want you.
Every day you could talk to anybody, we would like
to have a show with you every day, but that
would have entailed before COVID that I went into Serious
(07:25):
radio every day. I said, I don't. I couldn't. I
can't give you that time. I couldn't do it. I
couldn't go to Arames every day if you paid me,
I don't have the time. So they were all but
begging me to do it. After the after the drink toss,
Serious went cold. They went Cold Play because that was
a Cold Play concert. Cold cold, like I funked with
the wrong person and that and and that just went
(07:48):
cold and thank god. But by the way, here I
am on. I heart thrilled, and so it's a trajectory
that I'm thrilled about. But I'm just saying, like, you
do something, you curse someone out, you're rude on a plane,
you do something you never know who's watching, who they know.
It's just you just gotta hold your tongue and your
actions and be careful how you operate. Because I wasn't
(08:11):
shoddy in the way that I left Housewives, it just
wasn't that popular. My daughter makes fun of me for
(08:31):
many reasons, one being that she'll come home and I'll say,
did she get a compliment on your jeans? Said, She's
like no, I'm like wash, Like people don't compliment, like
what talking about? But still every time she wear something
super cute, she's got the style, like she's got this
natural style. She could buy a two dollar shirt and
everyone's obsessed. Okay, so some days, like some big days,
(08:53):
I'll be like, no, there's no I'll bully her too.
No way you didn't get I'll buy or something. I'm like,
there's no way you didn't get a compliment today on
that because they're like these amazing pants that have like
crystals all over them there blue, and you found them
in a French flea market. And I'm like there's no way.
And she's like I did a couple of people and
then they're like really cool sneakers. I'm like, you definitely
(09:14):
got boy compliments. Say you were wearing Jordan's and her
orange and red, and she's like, yes, a couple. I'm like,
what did they say? Like I don't ask her like
how is school? How is your homework? She could literally
be getting zeros and she could be getting D minuses,
But I'm like, but she's getting a pluses in her outfits,
and I'm like, listen to me, what were the compliments?
Tell me what did the boys say? I don't know.
I'm like, I want to know exactly. I don't know
(09:36):
people like you skirt? Yes? What what did they say?
Word for word? I'm in a housewife scene with her.
We all the tape. What did they say? So so
she'll tell me later. She'm like, somebody liked my something.
I'm like, see. So then she she laughed. She's like, well,
you didn't ask me my test. I'm like, how is
your test? So then she were we were we She
(09:59):
reminded me. She's like used to toward me about my
lunch box. So I used to put like little stickers
on it said like have a great day. And I
found these little cute cocktail napkins. I had like these
little puns on them, like do not with a doughnut,
like donut miss me too much today? Or like an
olives like I'll of you. I'm making this up with
like stuff like that, with cute like pictures. I was
(10:19):
so excited. It's like save the napkins because I didn't
know where I got them. And I play like one
napkin in a day, and you know you're amazing. You
smile on the sandwich every day, And like, I still
have some of those stickers now because I thought they
were so amazing that I didn't want to waste them all.
And now I still have them because I gonna start
making sandwiches for like Paul or somebody because I don't
have another kid, and maybe I'll just start sending my
assistant like stickers and say you're great. So I should
(10:41):
have used more than but anyway, and I just I
wouldn't do like the perfect cut off the crust where
it looks like a Japanese chef did it with like
a Santuco knife. I just like cut the sandwich in
half and wrapped it. And if we had like Tresha
travel pasta the night before or pizza or something great,
I would um put it like I would put it
into my grave right before she went to school and
(11:02):
cover it with foil and make like wanted to be
at least like lukewarm, not freezing cold over lunch. And
I made an effort, and she'd have uh, cheesecake, lollypop
cake pops and whatever. So I used to say to her,
so your mind me the other day to be like, wait,
what did anyone say about your luck? She's like nothing,
so I spent did you have the like did you
have a great lunch? Like because I wanted to know.
(11:23):
It's like I wanted to have a bad I wanted
to have better lunch than anybody else. Um, I wasn't
doing peanut and jelly. My mother was like the snob
who like, well, now we know where I got it from?
Who who? Just peanut butter and jelly was just beneath us.
I had like a nice turkey sandwich and the fruit.
And at my house we had the cold cuts and
and and you know, reveal parmesan, but not the crap.
We didn't have Captain crunch. We had life cereal so
(11:45):
um that I remember that little girl. So with Brin
was kind of halfway between. On the days I was lazy,
she'd get the peanut butter you know, sandwich and stuff
like that. But then I would always try to if
I did the boring lazy thing in the middle, like
the peanut butter sandwich, I'd try to like decorate it
on the sides of a bunch of other ships, like
here's a bad of chips, a little cake pop trying
to make myself a better mother by giving you all
the ship on the side, so she told me. Recently,
she said, used to ask me, what do people think
(12:06):
about my lunch? No one talks about their lunch, Like
what loser she go to school? What do you mean?
I totally coveted the neighbor's lunch when I was a kid,
or commented on show me. She hurt me the other
day and she said to me, your lunches weren't even
the best. She said, they were like just they were
like average. You'd give her like average lunches. They weren't
(12:26):
even the best. I was like those thoughts shots fired.
Your fucking little bitch, I mean, what a fucking little
bit
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