November 3, 2022 • 17 mins
Bethenny’s turning a new leaf with Harry and Meghan, but she does have some feedback for their PR strategy. Releasing a tell-all memoir after asking for privacy? As a marketing guru, Bethenny says to never mix messages.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
So I've said publicly that I don't want to talk
about people that I don't think are good role models
and that I think shouldn't be given a platform, shouldn't
be promoted, And so I've I've kind of been doing
a cleanse of things that I don't find to be
(00:32):
healthy in media and in my personal life and just
overall most importantly, I could talk about things I don't like,
and then I'm part of the problem. So by making
my statement about not feeding the beast and not wanting
to talk about things that I don't think should be
talked about or people who should be role models my
my personal model, I just unfollowed a media outline for
(00:54):
talking about something I don't think that should be talked
about endlessly. Um. So I've talked in the past about
the royal family, and I personally, from what I've seen,
I don't think any of these people are bad people,
Like I really really don't. If I think about if
(01:14):
I met Harry and if I met Megan, what I
think that they were nice people, kind people. I probably would.
I mean, I know that we've read conflicting reports, but
I don't think they're bad, diabolical people that shouldn't be
in any position of power or fame or role models.
I really don't think that. And over a year ago
(01:34):
I said something that UM was definitely polarizing. And then
a couple of months ago I talked about, you know,
when everyone was talking about the Royal family, and UM,
I think because I've been on social media more, I'm
seeing things more that I don't usually see. So I
guess I've been talking about them more. And I got
a little full, to be honest, UM, and I thought about, oh,
I don't talk about certain people anymore because I don't
(01:55):
want to give them any air or oxygen. But I
don't like, I don't have a problem talking about certain
members of the royal family because I don't think they're
actually bad people. I don't think. I don't think it's
a bad thing that Harry should be in a position
of fame or um influence. He seems like he cares,
he seems like it was a good son, he seems
like a good husband and father, a nice person, etcetera.
(02:16):
And I said in a Bethany Frankel type of way,
which the way you say something is important. And I've
made that error in the past, where because I you know,
I can be snarky and I have a quick wit,
and so I'll say something because it's the funnier way
to say it. It just comes rolls off my tongue.
It always has, and you know, and it's never ever planned.
(02:38):
That's what's crazy. No one never believes that. But I
ask Andy Cohen if it's ever planned. It's just what
comes out of my mouth. But when I said, I've
said about Megan that she has a challenge, let's say
it in a way that I should say things that
are constructive. I've said she has a challenging way of
making a good decision. That's not the way I said it,
but I'm saying way are Sometimes I feel like she
(03:02):
can't they can't get out of their own way. It
feels like they left the royal family and and it's
this is about all of us, Like this is about
all of us and having to like you want to
get your word, and you want to say a thing,
and you can want to make it better, and let's
say this and that will make it better and then
they're gonna like me, and then they're gonna really understand me,
you know, And you you bury yourself or It could
be a girl waiting for a person a guy to
(03:22):
call and being stereotypical, but waiting for someone to call,
and then you say something and then you're like, oh,
but let me just say this to cover it up,
and it'll be different, like this bat will make them
text me back or like hey just saw something, I
want to see you, And then they still don't text
you back, and now you're burying yourself even deeper. And
what I believe is that they wanted to leave the
royal family for whatever reasons are true or not true.
They wanted to leave. They weren't happy there, for paparazzi reasons,
(03:42):
for privacy reasons, for other reasons that I don't know,
um too much pressure, who knows right? And then they
every word you say has consequences, so we all have
to think about what we're saying. So if you're saying
we want a more private life or quote unquote norm
or we don't want to be hounded or you know whatever,
and then your vocal, then people are saying, wait, you
(04:05):
wanted privacy, okay, or we want to be you know,
be private. But then you're moving into Tyler Perry's house
and that seems like it's contradictory, and I'm not debating
what people believe or don't believe, because I think that
sometimes the way that I say things can be polarizing,
and they we're not able to have the actual conversation
because you're just hearing the shock value of what I'm saying,
and I don't want to do that anymore, likes I'm
not compassionate, etcetera. So I think that they departed and
(04:30):
then wanted to be the humanitarian philanthropists for you know,
use their use their power for good not evil, and
kept sort of doing things to talk about it and
making deals to make it financially sound for them. So
they were secure because they weren't being supported anymore. And
it was tempting to just like, you know, I've been
through I was through the most horrible divorce you've ever
(04:52):
you could ever even imagine, and I kept my mouth
shop but did I want like to just wait, but
I just want to say because what he that's not
what happened, Like you want to get it out, But
I've controlled myself because you're just adding gasoline to a fire.
And by them constantly having a new thing to say
about something either the plight and by the way, for
(05:13):
people who believe every single thing that they say, and
that's totally fine if you do. I said that they
are incapable of making a good decision because they want
to just get their words out so badly. They want
to get their message out, their content out, their moves out,
their business decision. So it's like, let's throw it all in.
We've left it was terrible, it was racist, it was abusive,
(05:38):
it was horrible. Let's talk about then let's talk about
how we've been treated and how we're not you know,
we can't get security and we can't pay for that.
Then let's talk about what our kids have or haven't gotten.
Then let's do a show. Let's get a deal. Let's
get a multimillion dollar deal for a book. Let's get
a multimillion dollar deal for a show. Let's get a
(05:58):
multimillion dollar deal for a podcast. Let's jam it all.
Let's throw it all in the pot, strike while the
iron's hot. Let's get a book deal, Let's mention it all,
Let's get it all at one time. Then let's talk
about the shows we used to do and how we
were demoralized and we were objectified and like you're jamming
all this stuff into a big stew and it's a
big pot of shit. That's the problem. It's a big stew.
(06:20):
I'm not even going to discuss anymore what I personally think.
I don't know them, let's be honest. So I've talked
about the media decisions, and I still firmly believe they
have not made good decisions. And they're not being advised well,
or they're not taking advice. They're not advising each other well,
or they don't take each other's advice, or they don't
listen to each other's advice, or they're afraid to give
each other advice. But there are two kids alone in
(06:41):
a world, and they're making bad decisions, scrambling in circles.
And I know people that have been asked to work
for them, and I know people that have been asked
to do pr for them, and they're running in circles.
And like I said, we're throw let's we got a
big pot. Throw the podcast in. Okay, yeah, throw a
docuseries and it's not a reality show, it's a docuseries.
Throw that into throw I'm talking about by you. I'm
(07:01):
gonna ask him if I can play a princess at
at a party that should be about something else. Throw
that in the pot. Let's go with Oprah. Let's talk
to Opra. Let's talk about all the bad things that
happen to us. Let's do that. Let's do another interview,
Let's do an Article's do a vanity fair cover. Let's
do it news we cover. Let's do a puppet show.
Let's have a bake sale. Let's you know, doing only
fans account Like, throw it on the goddamn pot and
(07:22):
you get a pot of ship. And anybody who has
a good, successful career picks their spots one thing at
a time. Build the flavors. Start with the olive oil
and the garlic. Put some salt and pepper on the bottom.
You don't have put the salt on the top, and
you have like plain sauce with salt on the top. No,
build it from the bottom. Then the youngion. Sweat those onions.
(07:45):
Then put your tomatoes in. Then put you know, steep
your basil in that oil, and then put that into
it's got the basil flavor. Then let's layer the flavors,
not just throw a bunch of ship in a pot.
Put a tomato and onion, garlic, clothes, the pot and
what do you get a pot of ship? So you
(08:15):
have to be strategic in your business decisions. And I'm
shame on me for not messaging things properly because I
just go for the this one kid funk up anything,
you know, I say my thing, and I'm not really
getting at the point because it's too like explosive to
really get to the point in the message, which is
we have to be strategic. We have to play chess
and not checkers. I've been saying that for a long time.
(08:36):
It's been very said lately a lot, but I've been
saying that for a long time in many books, and
you have to be playing the board one step at
a time. I if I wanted to leave, I probably
would have waited a little bit longer. But let's pretend
I wouldn't couldn't wait, I would have left, and I
would have gone quiet. I would have been just quiet,
(08:57):
let the dust settle, be quiet. The allure was so
great there, that was such popular because it was a
lure like you were like, what's it like? What are
they like? What's he like? What's the relationship like? Oh
my god, they rose chicken together, they watched TV. There
was a veil, there was an allure that everybody was into.
And then they left and it was like, oh my god.
And you know, you've got like this sort of envisioning
like Carol and Bessett Kennedy and like this aloofness and
(09:20):
a quietness, and you know even jfk Jr. Like we
we just want to like be in sort of on
the up west side, riding in the park and like
being cool but not getting a lot of attention. And
it made them more interesting and just more alluring. And
and and if they had sat quiet, we wouldn't have
We would have forgotten about it. We would have talked
about it a little, and then we would have been
(09:40):
like once in a while we'd see something or some
event or some little announcement or something. Oh yeah, by
the way, throwing the humanitarian events. Let's go to Uvaldi,
let's get on stage and at a world conference to
throw all the pot and the ship in the pot.
But I would have left, and then I would have
made You got to make an exit to make an entrance.
They never made exit. You never you made an exit
(10:02):
from one You went from one expensive building to another,
expensive building. Like you never made an exit, Lauren Michael
said to me, you have to make an exit to
make an enterence. Old school pr for me was when
I was announcing that first book, Naturally Thin, when I
was a nobody. It was like, say nothing about anything,
and then say that one thing, then go quiet, then
say the next thing. Like you didn't say you had
a book until the day you had the book. Here's
(10:24):
the book. It's right here and you can buy it
right now. You weren't droning on about it forever the
book that this, Stay quiet, then come out hit him
with your best motherfucking shut. Okay, but you went from
one expensive building over there, you flew, flew across the pond,
went into another expensive building, Tyler Perry's as went into
another expensive fifteen million dollar house next to Ellen and Oprah,
(10:45):
the most relatable neighborhood, you know, next to Ellen Oprah
Ashton Kutcher, which is obviously the most relatable building in
our neighborhood in the world. And like, just stay fucking tight,
keep it tight right, sit back, and then make an entrance.
Do it a Mall Looney style. The bitch is not
fucking playing around. She comes out, she has to say something.
She's fighting for a cause, it is heard. She comes back,
(11:08):
she goes into a little hole. She comes out, she's
wearing a sick whatever else that she's wearing she's going,
or whatever fashion event she's going. She and George little chuck,
a little cuteness, a little whatever. Go back in your
fucking hole. They're not stupid, they're old school. But when
you come out and you're throwing all this motherfuckering ship
in the pot, no one can taste any of the flavors.
It's a pile of mush. We don't know what we're eating.
What are we eating? A book, a podcast, a TV show,
(11:30):
a world summit, like a security issue, an abuse like
by a family, like a game show? Like what else
do we have we can throw in this? Spot Less
is more? Pick your spots, play check play chess, be
aware of the pieces. Something could come up em if
the play checkers sometimes be aware. But keep it, you know,
(11:54):
listen for somebody, for somebody who was in the royal
family for even a minute. You need to know that
fucking chessboard and who's king and who's queen and how
it all works. So that's all I think I think
they could be the nicest, best, most honorable, amazing people
in the world. And I said that they are not
(12:14):
exactly terrific in their decision making. And I stand by
that we need to choose why, how, and what we're saying.
We need to know when, we need to know who, what, where,
why and how of what we're saying and what we're showing.
And you know, timing is everything. So all of that,
which is why I call it a rant. That's a rant.
(12:36):
All of that is to get to the point that
Harry's new book is coming out and it's called Spare.
You could have named it share because that's or over share.
That is not I'm just going to come out and
say it. Someone is under review at whatever company put
(12:57):
that book out right now, Like, that's not good name
for a book for that person. If you're a bowler
and you just you've had an amazing career but just
been shy of greatness, I can see it. Spare, You're
not you know, it's not strike. It's a spare. Spare
says to me. I want to hear what it says
(13:17):
to you. Spare says to me, spare air, woe is me?
The extra air. You know, in families, it's terrible. They
they'll say, like, oh, they have a spare kid, because
it's a third kid. You know, God forbid something happens
if you only have you know, if you only have one.
I think it's if you only have one kid, God
forbid something happens you have none, Like it's a terrible
where it came from. But the spare it's first of all,
(13:40):
it doesn't have a good connotation. It's very woe is me.
No one wants to hear wealthy people, royal family members,
famous people, people in a position of power complain at all,
even if it's justified with Nobody wants to hear people
(14:02):
of Nobody wants to hear high profile people complain. And
the title spare says to me, woe is me. It's
just the bad may not even be with the contents
of the book. Say I have no idea, but I'm
a marketer. That is, I am a marketer and a
namer by a trade. And I'm sure I've made mistakes.
I don't remember um in naming things, I'm saying um.
(14:23):
Some would say skinny girl, because you know, of the
world is not about being skinny, but I named it
for a locality, Margarita, and I said what I said,
and I love the name because it's a great brand
and great. Um. That's a bad name. It could be
the best book, and it could be warm peace, it
could be the freaking Old Testament. It's a bad name.
(14:43):
I want to know what it says to other people.
To me, Spare says woe is Me? And all telling memoir.
It screams privacy. It really really does. Wow. I stand
by I don't stand by how I've said things. I
stand by I've said that I do not think that
(15:03):
these two are making good long term business decisions. They
are doing a smashing grab job. It's reminiscent of other
families in this country. This is a smashing grab right now. Actually,
we don't just say about the reminiscent of other families
in this country. This feels like a smashing grab job
when they could have played the long game. There is
(15:23):
money to be made in the immediate, but there's also
there is also it's just not the whole thing has
been played wrong, just playing checkers, with the royal family
taking the low hanging fruit. It's tempting to go on,
Oprah believe me. Believe me, there were people whould sell
their soul to the devil to go on Oprah. It's tempting,
but all these steps together, just say me, me, me, me, me,
(15:47):
me me No, no, no no no. I need it now.
I need it now. Though, and we're like, it seems
so so desperate and so clamoring versus calmly getting your
story out in due time, let the buttermilk. It will
come out. It will all come up, but one thing
at a time, time and slow and low barbecue. We
do not have to jam it all. I literally I'm
on like the It's like the fucking Jiffy lube of
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Megan and Harry. It's it's the I got it all.
It's been. I took it all. I got the appetizer you.
I've been served the order of the appetizer, the salad,
the soup, the entree, the palate cleanser. I didn't even
get a palate cleanser. Actually that's the problem. The dessert
and the after dinner liqure and a cigar. I've been
served all of it in one sitting of Harry and
(16:30):
Megan without any ability to digest it. It's just like,
give me all of it. I'm eating a book, a podcast,
I'm eating and All Tell All memoir, a podcast, an
Oprah interview. I can't even keep up. I'm eating it
all at once, and I'm full, and I'm sick. That's
the problem. We need to be fed in courses. I
would like I would like Harry and Megan to be
(16:53):
fed to me in in in courses if I could
possibly opt for that menu choice. I would like a
chef's tasting menu in twelve courses. I don't want to
eat all my food in one gobble, not a goat.
H
So I've said publicly that I don't want to talk
about people that I don't think are good role models
and that I think shouldn't be given a platform, shouldn't
be promoted, And so I've I've kind of been doing
a cleanse of things that I don't find to be
(00:32):
healthy in media and in my personal life and just
overall most importantly, I could talk about things I don't like,
and then I'm part of the problem. So by making
my statement about not feeding the beast and not wanting
to talk about things that I don't think should be
talked about or people who should be role models my
my personal model, I just unfollowed a media outline for
(00:54):
talking about something I don't think that should be talked
about endlessly. Um. So I've talked in the past about
the royal family, and I personally, from what I've seen,
I don't think any of these people are bad people,
Like I really really don't. If I think about if
(01:14):
I met Harry and if I met Megan, what I
think that they were nice people, kind people. I probably would.
I mean, I know that we've read conflicting reports, but
I don't think they're bad, diabolical people that shouldn't be
in any position of power or fame or role models.
I really don't think that. And over a year ago
(01:34):
I said something that UM was definitely polarizing. And then
a couple of months ago I talked about, you know,
when everyone was talking about the Royal family, and UM,
I think because I've been on social media more, I'm
seeing things more that I don't usually see. So I
guess I've been talking about them more. And I got
a little full, to be honest, UM, and I thought about, oh,
I don't talk about certain people anymore because I don't
(01:55):
want to give them any air or oxygen. But I
don't like, I don't have a problem talking about certain
members of the royal family because I don't think they're
actually bad people. I don't think. I don't think it's
a bad thing that Harry should be in a position
of fame or um influence. He seems like he cares,
he seems like it was a good son, he seems
like a good husband and father, a nice person, etcetera.
(02:16):
And I said in a Bethany Frankel type of way,
which the way you say something is important. And I've
made that error in the past, where because I you know,
I can be snarky and I have a quick wit,
and so I'll say something because it's the funnier way
to say it. It just comes rolls off my tongue.
It always has, and you know, and it's never ever planned.
(02:38):
That's what's crazy. No one never believes that. But I
ask Andy Cohen if it's ever planned. It's just what
comes out of my mouth. But when I said, I've
said about Megan that she has a challenge, let's say
it in a way that I should say things that
are constructive. I've said she has a challenging way of
making a good decision. That's not the way I said it,
but I'm saying way are Sometimes I feel like she
(03:02):
can't they can't get out of their own way. It
feels like they left the royal family and and it's
this is about all of us, Like this is about
all of us and having to like you want to
get your word, and you want to say a thing,
and you can want to make it better, and let's
say this and that will make it better and then
they're gonna like me, and then they're gonna really understand me,
you know, And you you bury yourself or It could
be a girl waiting for a person a guy to
(03:22):
call and being stereotypical, but waiting for someone to call,
and then you say something and then you're like, oh,
but let me just say this to cover it up,
and it'll be different, like this bat will make them
text me back or like hey just saw something, I
want to see you, And then they still don't text
you back, and now you're burying yourself even deeper. And
what I believe is that they wanted to leave the
royal family for whatever reasons are true or not true.
They wanted to leave. They weren't happy there, for paparazzi reasons,
(03:42):
for privacy reasons, for other reasons that I don't know,
um too much pressure, who knows right? And then they
every word you say has consequences, so we all have
to think about what we're saying. So if you're saying
we want a more private life or quote unquote norm
or we don't want to be hounded or you know whatever,
and then your vocal, then people are saying, wait, you
(04:05):
wanted privacy, okay, or we want to be you know,
be private. But then you're moving into Tyler Perry's house
and that seems like it's contradictory, and I'm not debating
what people believe or don't believe, because I think that
sometimes the way that I say things can be polarizing,
and they we're not able to have the actual conversation
because you're just hearing the shock value of what I'm saying,
and I don't want to do that anymore, likes I'm
not compassionate, etcetera. So I think that they departed and
(04:30):
then wanted to be the humanitarian philanthropists for you know,
use their use their power for good not evil, and
kept sort of doing things to talk about it and
making deals to make it financially sound for them. So
they were secure because they weren't being supported anymore. And
it was tempting to just like, you know, I've been
through I was through the most horrible divorce you've ever
(04:52):
you could ever even imagine, and I kept my mouth
shop but did I want like to just wait, but
I just want to say because what he that's not
what happened, Like you want to get it out, But
I've controlled myself because you're just adding gasoline to a fire.
And by them constantly having a new thing to say
about something either the plight and by the way, for
(05:13):
people who believe every single thing that they say, and
that's totally fine if you do. I said that they
are incapable of making a good decision because they want
to just get their words out so badly. They want
to get their message out, their content out, their moves out,
their business decision. So it's like, let's throw it all in.
We've left it was terrible, it was racist, it was abusive,
(05:38):
it was horrible. Let's talk about then let's talk about
how we've been treated and how we're not you know,
we can't get security and we can't pay for that.
Then let's talk about what our kids have or haven't gotten.
Then let's do a show. Let's get a deal. Let's
get a multimillion dollar deal for a book. Let's get
a multimillion dollar deal for a show. Let's get a
(05:58):
multimillion dollar deal for a podcast. Let's jam it all.
Let's throw it all in the pot, strike while the
iron's hot. Let's get a book deal, Let's mention it all,
Let's get it all at one time. Then let's talk
about the shows we used to do and how we
were demoralized and we were objectified and like you're jamming
all this stuff into a big stew and it's a
big pot of shit. That's the problem. It's a big stew.
(06:20):
I'm not even going to discuss anymore what I personally think.
I don't know them, let's be honest. So I've talked
about the media decisions, and I still firmly believe they
have not made good decisions. And they're not being advised well,
or they're not taking advice. They're not advising each other well,
or they don't take each other's advice, or they don't
listen to each other's advice, or they're afraid to give
each other advice. But there are two kids alone in
(06:41):
a world, and they're making bad decisions, scrambling in circles.
And I know people that have been asked to work
for them, and I know people that have been asked
to do pr for them, and they're running in circles.
And like I said, we're throw let's we got a
big pot. Throw the podcast in. Okay, yeah, throw a
docuseries and it's not a reality show, it's a docuseries.
Throw that into throw I'm talking about by you. I'm
(07:01):
gonna ask him if I can play a princess at
at a party that should be about something else. Throw
that in the pot. Let's go with Oprah. Let's talk
to Opra. Let's talk about all the bad things that
happen to us. Let's do that. Let's do another interview,
Let's do an Article's do a vanity fair cover. Let's
do it news we cover. Let's do a puppet show.
Let's have a bake sale. Let's you know, doing only
fans account Like, throw it on the goddamn pot and
(07:22):
you get a pot of ship. And anybody who has
a good, successful career picks their spots one thing at
a time. Build the flavors. Start with the olive oil
and the garlic. Put some salt and pepper on the bottom.
You don't have put the salt on the top, and
you have like plain sauce with salt on the top. No,
build it from the bottom. Then the youngion. Sweat those onions.
(07:45):
Then put your tomatoes in. Then put you know, steep
your basil in that oil, and then put that into
it's got the basil flavor. Then let's layer the flavors,
not just throw a bunch of ship in a pot.
Put a tomato and onion, garlic, clothes, the pot and
what do you get a pot of ship? So you
(08:15):
have to be strategic in your business decisions. And I'm
shame on me for not messaging things properly because I
just go for the this one kid funk up anything,
you know, I say my thing, and I'm not really
getting at the point because it's too like explosive to
really get to the point in the message, which is
we have to be strategic. We have to play chess
and not checkers. I've been saying that for a long time.
(08:36):
It's been very said lately a lot, but I've been
saying that for a long time in many books, and
you have to be playing the board one step at
a time. I if I wanted to leave, I probably
would have waited a little bit longer. But let's pretend
I wouldn't couldn't wait, I would have left, and I
would have gone quiet. I would have been just quiet,
(08:57):
let the dust settle, be quiet. The allure was so
great there, that was such popular because it was a
lure like you were like, what's it like? What are
they like? What's he like? What's the relationship like? Oh
my god, they rose chicken together, they watched TV. There
was a veil, there was an allure that everybody was into.
And then they left and it was like, oh my god.
And you know, you've got like this sort of envisioning
like Carol and Bessett Kennedy and like this aloofness and
(09:20):
a quietness, and you know even jfk Jr. Like we
we just want to like be in sort of on
the up west side, riding in the park and like
being cool but not getting a lot of attention. And
it made them more interesting and just more alluring. And
and and if they had sat quiet, we wouldn't have
We would have forgotten about it. We would have talked
about it a little, and then we would have been
(09:40):
like once in a while we'd see something or some
event or some little announcement or something. Oh yeah, by
the way, throwing the humanitarian events. Let's go to Uvaldi,
let's get on stage and at a world conference to
throw all the pot and the ship in the pot.
But I would have left, and then I would have
made You got to make an exit to make an entrance.
They never made exit. You never you made an exit
(10:02):
from one You went from one expensive building to another,
expensive building. Like you never made an exit, Lauren Michael
said to me, you have to make an exit to
make an enterence. Old school pr for me was when
I was announcing that first book, Naturally Thin, when I
was a nobody. It was like, say nothing about anything,
and then say that one thing, then go quiet, then
say the next thing. Like you didn't say you had
a book until the day you had the book. Here's
(10:24):
the book. It's right here and you can buy it
right now. You weren't droning on about it forever the
book that this, Stay quiet, then come out hit him
with your best motherfucking shut. Okay, but you went from
one expensive building over there, you flew, flew across the pond,
went into another expensive building, Tyler Perry's as went into
another expensive fifteen million dollar house next to Ellen and Oprah,
(10:45):
the most relatable neighborhood, you know, next to Ellen Oprah
Ashton Kutcher, which is obviously the most relatable building in
our neighborhood in the world. And like, just stay fucking tight,
keep it tight right, sit back, and then make an entrance.
Do it a Mall Looney style. The bitch is not
fucking playing around. She comes out, she has to say something.
She's fighting for a cause, it is heard. She comes back,
(11:08):
she goes into a little hole. She comes out, she's
wearing a sick whatever else that she's wearing she's going,
or whatever fashion event she's going. She and George little chuck,
a little cuteness, a little whatever. Go back in your
fucking hole. They're not stupid, they're old school. But when
you come out and you're throwing all this motherfuckering ship
in the pot, no one can taste any of the flavors.
It's a pile of mush. We don't know what we're eating.
What are we eating? A book, a podcast, a TV show,
(11:30):
a world summit, like a security issue, an abuse like
by a family, like a game show? Like what else
do we have we can throw in this? Spot Less
is more? Pick your spots, play check play chess, be
aware of the pieces. Something could come up em if
the play checkers sometimes be aware. But keep it, you know,
(11:54):
listen for somebody, for somebody who was in the royal
family for even a minute. You need to know that
fucking chessboard and who's king and who's queen and how
it all works. So that's all I think I think
they could be the nicest, best, most honorable, amazing people
in the world. And I said that they are not
(12:14):
exactly terrific in their decision making. And I stand by
that we need to choose why, how, and what we're saying.
We need to know when, we need to know who, what, where,
why and how of what we're saying and what we're showing.
And you know, timing is everything. So all of that,
which is why I call it a rant. That's a rant.
(12:36):
All of that is to get to the point that
Harry's new book is coming out and it's called Spare.
You could have named it share because that's or over share.
That is not I'm just going to come out and
say it. Someone is under review at whatever company put
(12:57):
that book out right now, Like, that's not good name
for a book for that person. If you're a bowler
and you just you've had an amazing career but just
been shy of greatness, I can see it. Spare, You're
not you know, it's not strike. It's a spare. Spare
says to me. I want to hear what it says
(13:17):
to you. Spare says to me, spare air, woe is me?
The extra air. You know, in families, it's terrible. They
they'll say, like, oh, they have a spare kid, because
it's a third kid. You know, God forbid something happens
if you only have you know, if you only have one.
I think it's if you only have one kid, God
forbid something happens you have none, Like it's a terrible
where it came from. But the spare it's first of all,
(13:40):
it doesn't have a good connotation. It's very woe is me.
No one wants to hear wealthy people, royal family members,
famous people, people in a position of power complain at all,
even if it's justified with Nobody wants to hear people
(14:02):
of Nobody wants to hear high profile people complain. And
the title spare says to me, woe is me. It's
just the bad may not even be with the contents
of the book. Say I have no idea, but I'm
a marketer. That is, I am a marketer and a
namer by a trade. And I'm sure I've made mistakes.
I don't remember um in naming things, I'm saying um.
(14:23):
Some would say skinny girl, because you know, of the
world is not about being skinny, but I named it
for a locality, Margarita, and I said what I said,
and I love the name because it's a great brand
and great. Um. That's a bad name. It could be
the best book, and it could be warm peace, it
could be the freaking Old Testament. It's a bad name.
(14:43):
I want to know what it says to other people.
To me, Spare says woe is Me? And all telling memoir.
It screams privacy. It really really does. Wow. I stand
by I don't stand by how I've said things. I
stand by I've said that I do not think that
(15:03):
these two are making good long term business decisions. They
are doing a smashing grab job. It's reminiscent of other
families in this country. This is a smashing grab right now. Actually,
we don't just say about the reminiscent of other families
in this country. This feels like a smashing grab job
when they could have played the long game. There is
(15:23):
money to be made in the immediate, but there's also
there is also it's just not the whole thing has
been played wrong, just playing checkers, with the royal family
taking the low hanging fruit. It's tempting to go on,
Oprah believe me. Believe me, there were people whould sell
their soul to the devil to go on Oprah. It's tempting,
but all these steps together, just say me, me, me, me, me,
(15:47):
me me No, no, no no no. I need it now.
I need it now. Though, and we're like, it seems
so so desperate and so clamoring versus calmly getting your
story out in due time, let the buttermilk. It will
come out. It will all come up, but one thing
at a time, time and slow and low barbecue. We
do not have to jam it all. I literally I'm
on like the It's like the fucking Jiffy lube of
(16:08):
Megan and Harry. It's it's the I got it all.
It's been. I took it all. I got the appetizer you.
I've been served the order of the appetizer, the salad,
the soup, the entree, the palate cleanser. I didn't even
get a palate cleanser. Actually that's the problem. The dessert
and the after dinner liqure and a cigar. I've been
served all of it in one sitting of Harry and
(16:30):
Megan without any ability to digest it. It's just like,
give me all of it. I'm eating a book, a podcast,
I'm eating and All Tell All memoir, a podcast, an
Oprah interview. I can't even keep up. I'm eating it
all at once, and I'm full, and I'm sick. That's
the problem. We need to be fed in courses. I
would like I would like Harry and Megan to be
(16:53):
fed to me in in in courses if I could
possibly opt for that menu choice. I would like a
chef's tasting menu in twelve courses. I don't want to
eat all my food in one gobble, not a goat.
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Bethenny Frankel
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