June 20, 2025 • 24 mins
We have A LOT to talk about... We need to talk Sports Illustrated and the Supermodel Era, my huge move and my moment of change, and much much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
I gotta tell you, guys, I was not expecting this
kind of response with Sports Illustrated. There are a couple
of things I really do want to flag about this experience.
One is I had peripherally seen different people do Sports
Illustrated in book, like I know that Gail King did
it and Martha and I'm aware of some of the
different people that have walked, and I don't understand the
brand fully. I just know that over the years they
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pushed the envelope with people like Kathy Ireland, I think
Kate Upton, like I remember when it went curvier wasn't
as traditional and it's evolved. But with the exception of
Martha and Gail, I don't remember they're really being a
big age range. But you wouldn't see them walking in
a show. And I asked someone on my team multiple
times about Sports Illustrated and their response was, which we
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have in writing, was that people see me all the
time in a bathing suit, and Sports Illustrated, you know,
isn't interested in me. They wouldn't want me, and I
later found out they hadn't even pitched me. And you know,
you can't hit a home run if you don't step
up to the plate. So someone on my team that
was a new person did pitch me and got me
to walk in the show. I showed up in Miami
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not knowing what to expect. I didn't understand what it
meant to walk. I've only walked in one fashion show
in my life, in Paris Laurel Paris Fashion Week. I
walked in four inch platform giraffe shoes.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I owned it. I loved it.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I had fun, which is what I was told to do.
I'm worth it, It's Lorel. But I was made fun
of by some people because of my walk, and I
felt self conscious because I chose those shoes. But I
just did what I wanted to do. And I also
like leaned into it, just that I did what I wanted.
But I was not in my head, but I thought, like,
what is my walk going to be this time?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's no shoes, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And I'm mentally prepared, I physically prepared, but I looked
pretty much the way that I always do in a
bathing suit. I'm overall healthy, I have a balance. I'll
talk in more detail about that next time we talk
and get into like more granular about eating and exercise
and all these things and really be like, how did
I prepare? I'll do that for you, but emotionally, how
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did I prepare? I set myself up for success. I
wasn't really drinking. I was trying self care and I'm
in my era of wellness and of me and doing
saunas and taking walks and trying to be healthy more
than like the physical appearance, meaning that like calorie restriction,
person just be healthy. And when I walked down that runway,
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I was just being me. I didn't even know that
I did well. I messaged somewhere for my team in
between walks to say any notes, because for all I knew,
I made a fool of myself. It's hard to figure
out what to do, like you're moving too much, you
dance it too much? Are you're doing too much? Do
you look thirsty and you awkward? Or you bore it?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Like so I just didn't care about any of it.
I just walked and I just danced.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I just had fun, like I had fun and I'm
happy in general, I'm happy. And the reason I know
I'm happy is because I'm flying on Spirit Airlines the
other day coach and blow whatever, and I'm happy. I'm
stuck in an airport and I'm happy. I'm like in
a car in a prolonged traffic drive and I'm happy.
I'm generally speaking stressed out because I'm going through a
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terrible move that is extraordinarily stressful, but I'm overall very settled,
very happy. I'm not looking or desperate about meeting anyone
because I'm happy, Like I'm not like hunting and looking.
I'm just happy. It just it feels different inside. And
my one of my close friends, Alex, I was on
the phone with her and she was one of the
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few people that was like, I know, it's what you
looked like, but she's like, but it's what you were like.
It's that you were just you didn't give a shit.
You never give a shit when anyone thinks, but you
just were happy. You owned it. And that's what it is.
I don't give a shit. I was happy. I do
end did things my way, and that's an age thing,
that's a liberating thing. I had no idea that this
walk was going to open up a world for girls
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younger than I am to say like, we're not done,
we have not peaked yet, and to open up a
world for women older than I am to be like,
why are we like counted out, Like we're disregarded, like
we're washed up, we're old, we're over Like we get
to have fun, we get to be alive, we get
to Everyone doesn't have to look exactly the way that
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I looked at my bathing suit. Everyone doesn't have to
wear a thong. I'm an extreme example on that runway
on that day with hair and makeup snatching and all
the stuff to set me up.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I mean, I've seen the girls in person. They look
different when they're on the runway. We are all lit
to perfection. You've got to have that confidence. You got
your makeup done. You know you're spending money on the situation.
You got a bathing suit on, that's dramatic. I don't
normally wear a g stern. I've never wanted gestern in
my life. I've never won a thong to the beach.
I just went out there and just said, let's just
own this shit. I did not know that I was
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thought of as old. I did not know that it
would break the internet that I walked the runway like myself,
like I dance in the bathroom. No oh, idea, that
cottage cheese would be sold out globally. What an absurd statement.
Globally there's a tomato shortage turkey. All these recipes I make,
I've been making recipes like this for years. I was
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eating cottage cheese in the beginning of the pandemic. I
made cottage cheese famous. In the beginning of the pandemic.
I was offered hundreds of thousands of dollars to work
for this cottage cheese company to promote them, but I
couldn't because there was a conflict of interest. I had
a cottage cheese conflict because of an X of mine
whose family was in the dairy business. I mean, it's ridiculous,
but you know what, that just shows like life is
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about living.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I lived it.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I did it my way, on my terms. I didn't
have any blueprint of what the Hella walk is supposed
to be. I didn't do it in the overly serious
way that Chris Appleton told me to in my like
give the fierce walk. I'm not a model. I just
walked down and said, Hi, this is me. I'm gonna
make this runway, may bitch. That's what someone told me
to do. So I had the best time. It was liberating.
I thanks where it's illustrated. I thank people, and it
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just shows that the world h will meet you where
you're at, and you never know. And you never count
a woman out, not at seventy, not at eighty, and
out at ninety.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Do not count a woman out.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Everybody has their own clock, their own rules, their own looks,
their own journey, their own fitness revelations, their own food discoveries.
And you do you, you do you bo, So let's
fucking go. Whether you're nineteen or ninety, do you rock
the thong if you want to, if it's what you
want to do. No one's gonna tell you where your
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boundaries are. Because if I listen to that person who
told me that it wasn't for me, or the person
who told me on my team that TikTok wasn't for
me it was for eight year olds, I would have
limited myself. And my life has changed drastically as a
result of both things. And guess what, don't let somebody
put guardrails and boundaries on you. You could put guardrails on you.
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Don't let anybody else put boundaries on you. I have
bought and I'm almost moved into my house in Florida,
and it is such a cycle of change. Leaving Connecticut
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was like leaving the wrong relationship for me. It was
something that on paper was good. It was something that
I intellectually thought that I should be happy about. It
is something that I fantasized about. It is something that
I wanted. It is something that looks so good on
the outside. It is something that was a flex. I
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lived in a major compound that the governor lived in
this house in Greenwich, Connecticut, which is a flex. I
was in relationships that seem like a flex. But you
know when on the inside it feels wrong. It just
didn't feel right. And if you don't love it, you
don't like it. If it doesn't feel right, it's wrong.
If it's not yes, it's no. And not until I
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was able to take an opening, find an opening, like
I moved so fast when something happened in my personal
life to be able to get britt into a school,
list my one house and sell it, buy another house
within a week, like I went onto the amazing race
of real estate. I fucking hauled ass and just got
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in there and got it done. And I am a wreck.
I can't believe I have done so much. I can't
believe I did sports illustrated. I can't believe I'm going
to Europe next week for a work trip. I can't
believe the machine that I am and the things that
I've been able to get done, like getting myself out
of what ended up being like a ten thousand square
foot house, delegating that, working on that, getting the movers
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moving everything. Now I'm basically virtually dealing with putting everything
away in the new house in Florida, got the new
house renovated, got the old house done, got my house
updated in the Hamptons to be able to get that
to sell. But like I do, real estate in bursts,
and it's insane. It's insane. It was March nineteenth. I
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just I was moving. By the next week, I had
a house in Florida, in addition to my apartment. I
had sold my house in the Hamptons. I had not
even listed my house in the Connecticut, but told a
broker to find me a buyer, found a buyer, and
now three months later, I've closed on two house sales,
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one purchase, and this week will be fully moved into
the new house. It's wild, and I now have a
place in New York City that I really leaned out
because I knew that I was gonna have a lot
of stuff coming from that property in Connecticut into it.
I have my place in the Hamptons, which I moved
into last year, which is now set and forget. It's
in the beach and it's like ready for the summer.
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I have an apartment in Miami, same thing, streamlined, it
finalized the design. I've showed you guys on social media,
but now it's like crisp and clean because a lot
of stuff came from my house in Connecticut there too,
so it's been like a circular reference of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's maddening.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
This place in Florida is locked getting sorted and like
all of my systems are set to forget and to
have the healthy summer of a lifetime. The Sports Illustrated
Experience basically embarked me on a wellness era, like vitamins
and being healthy. And the thing is, everybody saw me
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on that runway and it broke the internet because everyone thought, like, wow,
look at this body, which is the same body I've
had for years.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It was a big deal, and I didn't know my
age was going to be such a big deal, and
I didn't know this was going to break the internet.
This has been crazy. People were buying tomatoes like it's
their job because of my supermodel snacks. But what's funny
is because everybody started speculating on everything I was doing
to be healthy, it perpetuated me actually being more healthy.
I was eating coconut cake and drinking alcohol and doing
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all the things. But when everybody started to like look
at me and like make me this spokesperson for health
and body, it made me lean more into it and
like live in that be Like, Okay, I want to
be this. I want a wellness summer. I want to
be healthy. And I've loved watching people not talk about
their weight but talk about health, Like people start eating
healthy snacks and doing meal plans and caring for what
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they're eating and being intentional and making these supermodel snacks
look so gourmet and drizzling them with balsamic glaze and
hot honey and sea salt like pride and food. And
it's made me so inspired to make more interesting things
and post recipes every day and like it's a self
fulfilling prophecy. I'm loving watching people use my recipes and
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be intentional and be healthy.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And I love that.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
That's what I'm putting forward and not putting forward some
like diet hack tricks. I'm putting forward like spaghetti squash
with vegetable saute recipes, or it's interesting, it's not expensive,
it looks gourmet, and it gets people excited to be
in their kitchens and make these creations. It's really I'm
so excited to be that kind of influencer right now
because it's like so for good.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It's so for good.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So I want to discuss something that's getting insane. I
was talking to my friend. I said to her, like,
my kid needs an assistant at this point, like her activities,
her preseason sports, her middle of the summer tryouts. Like
we're moving down to Florida, for example, we have to
do like four trips down there during the summer in
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preparation for the next year of like sports and activities
and testing and all this stuff. And like I was
talking to my friend, I go, what the fuck is
going on? So yesterday I was walking on the beach
and I was talking to my girlfriend and she goes,
I'm on my way to Texas. I go, why She
goes because I have to go to for orientation. Last
week it was I have to do something for tryouts
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for sports. I invited Brince Brent to come on a
boat in Europe, and she can't because lacrosse and the
summer schedule, and if she doesn't keep up with the
summer schedule of lacrosse, she'll fall behind in the fall
schedule of lacrosse. So the kid doesn't get to come
on a once in a lifetime trip in Europe on
a yacht because of some lacrosse schedule. So then my
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friends are like, do you want to do something in August.
I'm like, I can't. Why I have to go to
Florida in the dead of summer two weeks before August
twentieth when school starts. So now the beginning of August,
I have to go down there for tryouts for preseason.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You don't go there, you don't make it.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I also remember, like she has to go down another
time because of some placement testing. So what I'm getting
at is what the fuck is going on? It used
to be when I was growing up that like summer started,
when school was out. There's a song School's out for summer.
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You got on a bicycle. You open the goddamn door.
It was free range parenting. You were in the sprinklers.
You were lucky enough if you got to go to
a pool. But we were playing and free all summer long.
Because what goes on during the year is insane. These
kids have breakdowns, they're all on adderall, they're all gonna
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be on antidepressants, they're all on anxiety meds. Why because
they're overscheduled, overactivated, over stimulated. Because the competition is fierce.
My daughter had a friend wasn't allowed to do sports
because they didn't get straight a's what But don't worry.
The sports are more stressful than the school for straight
a's because the sports it's psychotic. You're not allowed to
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miss more than two practices. You can't miss a game,
And don't worry, they'll be scheduled Thanksgiving weekend or President's
week holiday when the parents want to go away. And
if the parents dared to have more than one child,
they're fucked sideways. Because let's say you have three children
and let's say for whatever reason, they didn't all get
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into the same school, or someone specializes in something and
is good at science, or someone's good at baseball, and
they go to different schools. Let's say they all go
to the same school. The parents have no life because
every weekend they're OCTOPI pulled in multiple different directions because
they have to take the kids in different practices and
different lessons, and it's gonna be ten thousand dollars. I
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don't know how a person who's not rich gets to
have a child to participate in sports, because school sports
are no longer enough. Now we've got the side scam
of the clubs the leagues, which is great and the
parents love it for team building and discipline. But the
parents spend their weekends in other cities and shitty hotel rooms,
sitting and watching the sports. And that's fears and relentless too,
because you're like a loser if you're not at every one.
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And I could tell you I don't go to every
single one. I'll go to a couple. I'll tell my
daughter to choose the ones that are really important to her.
And then there's one mom that I met who's a
single mom, and she doesn't get to go, so she
had to work it out through her community for the
other mom to take her. But then she pays the
mom back by making home cooked meals for that mom
because she probably feels guilty because she's the fucking pariah,
deadbeat mom that doesn't take her kid every weekend on
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a four hour car trip each way. They come back
exhaust they want to call on sick Monday because they're exhausted,
and they're exhausted because these things were obligated. So it
feels like they've done work, like they've gone to school,
but they haven't. They've been on a weekend club thing.
Their bodies are wrecked. They've eaten shit all weekend, and
they also got no homework done. So now they're trying
to put twenty five pounds of shit in a five
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pound bag because they get back during the week and
they can't fucking finish whatever they need to finish for school.
They're exasperated, they're exhausted. There have been days that I've
had to take my daughter out on an emotional well
being day because she's cracking and it's non stop and
everything's urgent, and it's the snacks, and it's the uniforms,
and it's the schedules, and it's the banquets. Now they
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have volleyball banquets and it's the team Dinners and we're
all gonna make hair clips together and we're gonna do
ten girls and we have to do this. So now
I have to have a party and they're all going
fucking broke. Everyone's going fucking broke over the shit and
the pressure is crazy. But don't worry. There's more if
they want to go to college. When we were growing up,
if you had money, you got to go to college.
If you didn't, you got a scholarship. If you didn't,
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you went local. We just got through. You just went
to college to get the fuck through and get a
degree that you're never going to use. Because it's a
place for kids to park their ass and pretend it's
where they learn to be independent, which it's not. It's
a place where they party and sorority and it's another
status symbol at this point. The schools when I was
growing up and went to college that were fucking for morons.
Now because of marketing and endowment funds and boards and
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marketing and marketing and boards and for profit now the dumb,
dumb schools have been marketed as good schools. And I'm like, wait,
that was the idiot school that's now a good school
because somebody decided along the way that's the good school,
when I'm not even sure that anyone should even go
to college anymore, because your diploma is to wipe your
fucking ass and to have a party, and no one
even learns anything at school unless they can't afford it.
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And they really are grateful enough. And they're the ones
and the wrong ones, the ones who are in all
the debt. They're the ones who are actually paying attention.
The ones who pay and can afford it shouldn't even
be going because they're not even appreciating it, because it's
the white privileged club of going to college.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So it's all upside down. Okay, it's all upside down.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
If you want to go to one of these colleges
to flex to your friends or to have a status
symbol that your parents can say at the country club
or the cul de sac where their kids went to school,
they have to have a curated brand. I'm not trusting
them to do a lot of things. I still am
making sure I know what time they get home and
if they're in my car, I'm not sleeping that night.
But those individuals have to have a personal brand because
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to go to one of these bullshit colleges that used
to be for dummies but is now marketed for rich
people to be a good school to get a good job,
when it's all based on fluff and marshmallows and pomp
and circumstance. To get into that college, you have to
have a story, have a brand. So what do you
have to do. You have to do charity, You have
to check a charity box. You have to take an
art class. You have to go volunteer in your community
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for the wrong reasons. You couldn't give a shit about
what you're volunteering for. You're doing it so you have
a personal brand, and you're taking the art class to
get into the college. And that art class is why
your mom has to cut her summer short because she
has to get you home and make sure you're situated
in doing all of the things that you need to
be doing because your mom has to pay to curate
your personal brand. She's the one telling you that you
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need a personal brand because she needs you to get
into that college so she can brag to her friends,
or just to be at the baseline, so you're not
getting bullied for going to a loser school, which is
in fact a loser school, because the only reason you
have to do all this shit is because it's like
buying a Shanell or Arimez bag. It's not based on
actually a real education for the most part. And there
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are so many douchebags that can pay their way in
or get to this level because they do have douchey
parents and therapists to tell them about the personal brand.
That now every rich, privileged white person in America goes
to these colleges and they don't even get the jobs
because now it's the land of the hustle and the
land of the tech billionaire and the internet garage hoodie
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person who's inventing things. And they've overwatched Shark Tank. So
now that's swollen too, because every young person thinks they're
an entrepreneur. So then the other half of the douchey
group is basically not wanting to go to college. They
want to be an influencer, they want to be on YouTube,
they want to be mister Beast, and they're all competing
for the other douchey jobs. That the douchey people that
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had the personal brand and went to the art class
and took forty six.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Volleyball League entree tests.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
These are all the assholes competing for other assholeism and
none of it's working. And I would like to get
back to opening the door, kids going outside, riding their
fucking bikes, relaxing during the summer, everyone taking it down
and notch parents not saying you don't get to play
sports because you didn't get straight a's. It's all upside down.
But wait, there's more. This has now filtered into nobody
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gets to be a poor person having a wedding because
a middle class, middle class person, the pressure is on.
They have to have a personal website for their wedding.
They have to wear multiple dresses, multiple blinged out sweatpants,
have ninety two bridesmaids. There have to be gifts. Your
wedding is a brand. Your wedding is a brand. Your
bridal shower is a brand. The bachelor party is a brand.
What you're buying everybody is a brand. You have to
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have a before outfit and after out at a shower,
out at, a wedding, outfit, a sweat outfit. We have
to buy everybody matching pajamas or your entire bridal party
has to have matching branded gifts. When you get engaged,
it has to be a production. There has to be
a camera crew, you have to have friends documenting it.
Let the brand and website start. I know billionaires who
didn't have more than one wedding dress, and this wasn't
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that long ago. Everything is a social media, fucking beach
front garden party, expensive moment that someone's parents are paying for.
My friend who's normal rich person NRP. They're not famous,
they're not billionaires. I would not tell you what her
wedding is costing because you would never speak to me again,
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and I almost don't want to speak to her again.
But it's a fierce hunger games throwing it down the toilet,
and these kids want these moments that last one night
long by the fucking house. Even I my wedding back then,
it was not expensive, not even compared to what's going on.
It wasn't that expensive. And guess what if Brinn had
a wedding today, it wouldn't be that expensive. If you
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think I would spend these crazy numbers on something going
down the toilet bowl, you're gravely mistaken. But wait, there's
more more people that can't afford it, going out and
spending thousands of dollars on balloon arches and the branded
kid's birthday party. He's two years old, three years old?
Are you in to your fucking mind? I didn't spend
that kind of money for my daughter's birthday parties, And
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in fact, I marketed in this way. I'm like, I
would always lean her towards the pick a couple of friends,
and we're going to do an experience, so I would
take them for the cupcake making. Or I once took
them to go to like this denim place and like
tie die and do denim and got like I don't
remember if it was pizza or cupcakes. Or I took
them to not a ferris wheel, like a merry go
round downtown that has like all these lights and it's
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like looks like you're in like a mermaid tail. It's
down by Battery Park, and they all got dressed up
as princesses, and I got them a limo or something
to take them all. But like that pales in comparison
to the four thousand dollars balloon arch. Like I got
them a pink limo. We took them in princess outfits
and it was like four friends. Another year it was
a bowling alley. I'm not crying poor or saying that
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I slummed it, but it wasn't crazy. It wasn't as
expensive as I see people a lot less well to
do as I am spending money on this bullshit that
is going down the toilet. It's not an investment. It
goes nowhere. It's the flex one Instagram post. So go
the Hollywood way. You know what, Hollywood will have a
shit event in many cases, but if the pictures are
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good and they can blast them out, then it seems
like they have this big deal. So get your kid
and a couple of friends and a great floral that's
on a table. But to have these elaborate, crazy parties,
and the Kardashians are the ones who really made this famous,
like having these flex worthy, social media post worthy parties.
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But they're billionaires. Of course they're doing that. Every single
moment is a wonderland. Every easter is like literally the
fucking actual easter Bunny is real. They're billionaires. Not everyone's
a billionaire. Everything is over the top. Mack five go broke,
go into debt for every experience these days, and I'm
so fucking sick of it.
I gotta tell you, guys, I was not expecting this
kind of response with Sports Illustrated. There are a couple
of things I really do want to flag about this experience.
One is I had peripherally seen different people do Sports
Illustrated in book, like I know that Gail King did
it and Martha and I'm aware of some of the
different people that have walked, and I don't understand the
brand fully. I just know that over the years they
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pushed the envelope with people like Kathy Ireland, I think
Kate Upton, like I remember when it went curvier wasn't
as traditional and it's evolved. But with the exception of
Martha and Gail, I don't remember they're really being a
big age range. But you wouldn't see them walking in
a show. And I asked someone on my team multiple
times about Sports Illustrated and their response was, which we
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have in writing, was that people see me all the
time in a bathing suit, and Sports Illustrated, you know,
isn't interested in me. They wouldn't want me, and I
later found out they hadn't even pitched me. And you know,
you can't hit a home run if you don't step
up to the plate. So someone on my team that
was a new person did pitch me and got me
to walk in the show. I showed up in Miami
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not knowing what to expect. I didn't understand what it
meant to walk. I've only walked in one fashion show
in my life, in Paris Laurel Paris Fashion Week. I
walked in four inch platform giraffe shoes.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I owned it. I loved it.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I had fun, which is what I was told to do.
I'm worth it, It's Lorel. But I was made fun
of by some people because of my walk, and I
felt self conscious because I chose those shoes. But I
just did what I wanted to do. And I also
like leaned into it, just that I did what I wanted.
But I was not in my head, but I thought, like,
what is my walk going to be this time?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's no shoes, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And I'm mentally prepared, I physically prepared, but I looked
pretty much the way that I always do in a
bathing suit. I'm overall healthy, I have a balance. I'll
talk in more detail about that next time we talk
and get into like more granular about eating and exercise
and all these things and really be like, how did
I prepare? I'll do that for you, but emotionally, how
(02:12):
did I prepare? I set myself up for success. I
wasn't really drinking. I was trying self care and I'm
in my era of wellness and of me and doing
saunas and taking walks and trying to be healthy more
than like the physical appearance, meaning that like calorie restriction,
person just be healthy. And when I walked down that runway,
(02:33):
I was just being me. I didn't even know that
I did well. I messaged somewhere for my team in
between walks to say any notes, because for all I knew,
I made a fool of myself. It's hard to figure
out what to do, like you're moving too much, you
dance it too much? Are you're doing too much? Do
you look thirsty and you awkward? Or you bore it?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Like so I just didn't care about any of it.
I just walked and I just danced.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I just had fun, like I had fun and I'm
happy in general, I'm happy. And the reason I know
I'm happy is because I'm flying on Spirit Airlines the
other day coach and blow whatever, and I'm happy. I'm
stuck in an airport and I'm happy. I'm like in
a car in a prolonged traffic drive and I'm happy.
I'm generally speaking stressed out because I'm going through a
(03:16):
terrible move that is extraordinarily stressful, but I'm overall very settled,
very happy. I'm not looking or desperate about meeting anyone
because I'm happy, Like I'm not like hunting and looking.
I'm just happy. It just it feels different inside. And
my one of my close friends, Alex, I was on
the phone with her and she was one of the
(03:37):
few people that was like, I know, it's what you
looked like, but she's like, but it's what you were like.
It's that you were just you didn't give a shit.
You never give a shit when anyone thinks, but you
just were happy. You owned it. And that's what it is.
I don't give a shit. I was happy. I do
end did things my way, and that's an age thing,
that's a liberating thing. I had no idea that this
walk was going to open up a world for girls
(04:01):
younger than I am to say like, we're not done,
we have not peaked yet, and to open up a
world for women older than I am to be like,
why are we like counted out, Like we're disregarded, like
we're washed up, we're old, we're over Like we get
to have fun, we get to be alive, we get
to Everyone doesn't have to look exactly the way that
(04:21):
I looked at my bathing suit. Everyone doesn't have to
wear a thong. I'm an extreme example on that runway
on that day with hair and makeup snatching and all
the stuff to set me up.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I mean, I've seen the girls in person. They look
different when they're on the runway. We are all lit
to perfection. You've got to have that confidence. You got
your makeup done. You know you're spending money on the situation.
You got a bathing suit on, that's dramatic. I don't
normally wear a g stern. I've never wanted gestern in
my life. I've never won a thong to the beach.
I just went out there and just said, let's just
own this shit. I did not know that I was
(04:52):
thought of as old. I did not know that it
would break the internet that I walked the runway like myself,
like I dance in the bathroom. No oh, idea, that
cottage cheese would be sold out globally. What an absurd statement.
Globally there's a tomato shortage turkey. All these recipes I make,
I've been making recipes like this for years. I was
(05:13):
eating cottage cheese in the beginning of the pandemic. I
made cottage cheese famous. In the beginning of the pandemic.
I was offered hundreds of thousands of dollars to work
for this cottage cheese company to promote them, but I
couldn't because there was a conflict of interest. I had
a cottage cheese conflict because of an X of mine
whose family was in the dairy business. I mean, it's ridiculous,
but you know what, that just shows like life is
(05:34):
about living.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I lived it.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I did it my way, on my terms. I didn't
have any blueprint of what the Hella walk is supposed
to be. I didn't do it in the overly serious
way that Chris Appleton told me to in my like
give the fierce walk. I'm not a model. I just
walked down and said, Hi, this is me. I'm gonna
make this runway, may bitch. That's what someone told me
to do. So I had the best time. It was liberating.
I thanks where it's illustrated. I thank people, and it
(05:59):
just shows that the world h will meet you where
you're at, and you never know. And you never count
a woman out, not at seventy, not at eighty, and
out at ninety.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Do not count a woman out.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Everybody has their own clock, their own rules, their own looks,
their own journey, their own fitness revelations, their own food discoveries.
And you do you, you do you bo, So let's
fucking go. Whether you're nineteen or ninety, do you rock
the thong if you want to, if it's what you
want to do. No one's gonna tell you where your
(06:29):
boundaries are. Because if I listen to that person who
told me that it wasn't for me, or the person
who told me on my team that TikTok wasn't for
me it was for eight year olds, I would have
limited myself. And my life has changed drastically as a
result of both things. And guess what, don't let somebody
put guardrails and boundaries on you. You could put guardrails on you.
(06:50):
Don't let anybody else put boundaries on you. I have
bought and I'm almost moved into my house in Florida,
and it is such a cycle of change. Leaving Connecticut
(07:15):
was like leaving the wrong relationship for me. It was
something that on paper was good. It was something that
I intellectually thought that I should be happy about. It
is something that I fantasized about. It is something that
I wanted. It is something that looks so good on
the outside. It is something that was a flex. I
(07:35):
lived in a major compound that the governor lived in
this house in Greenwich, Connecticut, which is a flex. I
was in relationships that seem like a flex. But you
know when on the inside it feels wrong. It just
didn't feel right. And if you don't love it, you
don't like it. If it doesn't feel right, it's wrong.
If it's not yes, it's no. And not until I
(07:55):
was able to take an opening, find an opening, like
I moved so fast when something happened in my personal
life to be able to get britt into a school,
list my one house and sell it, buy another house
within a week, like I went onto the amazing race
of real estate. I fucking hauled ass and just got
(08:16):
in there and got it done. And I am a wreck.
I can't believe I have done so much. I can't
believe I did sports illustrated. I can't believe I'm going
to Europe next week for a work trip. I can't
believe the machine that I am and the things that
I've been able to get done, like getting myself out
of what ended up being like a ten thousand square
foot house, delegating that, working on that, getting the movers
(08:39):
moving everything. Now I'm basically virtually dealing with putting everything
away in the new house in Florida, got the new
house renovated, got the old house done, got my house
updated in the Hamptons to be able to get that
to sell. But like I do, real estate in bursts,
and it's insane. It's insane. It was March nineteenth. I
(08:59):
just I was moving. By the next week, I had
a house in Florida, in addition to my apartment. I
had sold my house in the Hamptons. I had not
even listed my house in the Connecticut, but told a
broker to find me a buyer, found a buyer, and
now three months later, I've closed on two house sales,
(09:23):
one purchase, and this week will be fully moved into
the new house. It's wild, and I now have a
place in New York City that I really leaned out
because I knew that I was gonna have a lot
of stuff coming from that property in Connecticut into it.
I have my place in the Hamptons, which I moved
into last year, which is now set and forget. It's
in the beach and it's like ready for the summer.
(09:44):
I have an apartment in Miami, same thing, streamlined, it
finalized the design. I've showed you guys on social media,
but now it's like crisp and clean because a lot
of stuff came from my house in Connecticut there too,
so it's been like a circular reference of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's maddening.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
This place in Florida is locked getting sorted and like
all of my systems are set to forget and to
have the healthy summer of a lifetime. The Sports Illustrated
Experience basically embarked me on a wellness era, like vitamins
and being healthy. And the thing is, everybody saw me
(10:20):
on that runway and it broke the internet because everyone thought, like, wow,
look at this body, which is the same body I've
had for years.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It was a big deal, and I didn't know my
age was going to be such a big deal, and
I didn't know this was going to break the internet.
This has been crazy. People were buying tomatoes like it's
their job because of my supermodel snacks. But what's funny
is because everybody started speculating on everything I was doing
to be healthy, it perpetuated me actually being more healthy.
I was eating coconut cake and drinking alcohol and doing
(10:50):
all the things. But when everybody started to like look
at me and like make me this spokesperson for health
and body, it made me lean more into it and
like live in that be Like, Okay, I want to
be this. I want a wellness summer. I want to
be healthy. And I've loved watching people not talk about
their weight but talk about health, Like people start eating
healthy snacks and doing meal plans and caring for what
(11:14):
they're eating and being intentional and making these supermodel snacks
look so gourmet and drizzling them with balsamic glaze and
hot honey and sea salt like pride and food. And
it's made me so inspired to make more interesting things
and post recipes every day and like it's a self
fulfilling prophecy. I'm loving watching people use my recipes and
(11:34):
be intentional and be healthy.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And I love that.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
That's what I'm putting forward and not putting forward some
like diet hack tricks. I'm putting forward like spaghetti squash
with vegetable saute recipes, or it's interesting, it's not expensive,
it looks gourmet, and it gets people excited to be
in their kitchens and make these creations. It's really I'm
so excited to be that kind of influencer right now
because it's like so for good.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It's so for good.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So I want to discuss something that's getting insane. I
was talking to my friend. I said to her, like,
my kid needs an assistant at this point, like her activities,
her preseason sports, her middle of the summer tryouts. Like
we're moving down to Florida, for example, we have to
do like four trips down there during the summer in
(12:27):
preparation for the next year of like sports and activities
and testing and all this stuff. And like I was
talking to my friend, I go, what the fuck is
going on? So yesterday I was walking on the beach
and I was talking to my girlfriend and she goes,
I'm on my way to Texas. I go, why She
goes because I have to go to for orientation. Last
week it was I have to do something for tryouts
(12:49):
for sports. I invited Brince Brent to come on a
boat in Europe, and she can't because lacrosse and the
summer schedule, and if she doesn't keep up with the
summer schedule of lacrosse, she'll fall behind in the fall
schedule of lacrosse. So the kid doesn't get to come
on a once in a lifetime trip in Europe on
a yacht because of some lacrosse schedule. So then my
(13:11):
friends are like, do you want to do something in August.
I'm like, I can't. Why I have to go to
Florida in the dead of summer two weeks before August
twentieth when school starts. So now the beginning of August,
I have to go down there for tryouts for preseason.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You don't go there, you don't make it.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I also remember, like she has to go down another
time because of some placement testing. So what I'm getting
at is what the fuck is going on? It used
to be when I was growing up that like summer started,
when school was out. There's a song School's out for summer.
(13:50):
You got on a bicycle. You open the goddamn door.
It was free range parenting. You were in the sprinklers.
You were lucky enough if you got to go to
a pool. But we were playing and free all summer long.
Because what goes on during the year is insane. These
kids have breakdowns, they're all on adderall, they're all gonna
(14:11):
be on antidepressants, they're all on anxiety meds. Why because
they're overscheduled, overactivated, over stimulated. Because the competition is fierce.
My daughter had a friend wasn't allowed to do sports
because they didn't get straight a's what But don't worry.
The sports are more stressful than the school for straight
a's because the sports it's psychotic. You're not allowed to
(14:31):
miss more than two practices. You can't miss a game,
And don't worry, they'll be scheduled Thanksgiving weekend or President's
week holiday when the parents want to go away. And
if the parents dared to have more than one child,
they're fucked sideways. Because let's say you have three children
and let's say for whatever reason, they didn't all get
(14:52):
into the same school, or someone specializes in something and
is good at science, or someone's good at baseball, and
they go to different schools. Let's say they all go
to the same school. The parents have no life because
every weekend they're OCTOPI pulled in multiple different directions because
they have to take the kids in different practices and
different lessons, and it's gonna be ten thousand dollars. I
(15:12):
don't know how a person who's not rich gets to
have a child to participate in sports, because school sports
are no longer enough. Now we've got the side scam
of the clubs the leagues, which is great and the
parents love it for team building and discipline. But the
parents spend their weekends in other cities and shitty hotel rooms,
sitting and watching the sports. And that's fears and relentless too,
because you're like a loser if you're not at every one.
(15:35):
And I could tell you I don't go to every
single one. I'll go to a couple. I'll tell my
daughter to choose the ones that are really important to her.
And then there's one mom that I met who's a
single mom, and she doesn't get to go, so she
had to work it out through her community for the
other mom to take her. But then she pays the
mom back by making home cooked meals for that mom
because she probably feels guilty because she's the fucking pariah,
deadbeat mom that doesn't take her kid every weekend on
(15:56):
a four hour car trip each way. They come back
exhaust they want to call on sick Monday because they're exhausted,
and they're exhausted because these things were obligated. So it
feels like they've done work, like they've gone to school,
but they haven't. They've been on a weekend club thing.
Their bodies are wrecked. They've eaten shit all weekend, and
they also got no homework done. So now they're trying
to put twenty five pounds of shit in a five
(16:17):
pound bag because they get back during the week and
they can't fucking finish whatever they need to finish for school.
They're exasperated, they're exhausted. There have been days that I've
had to take my daughter out on an emotional well
being day because she's cracking and it's non stop and
everything's urgent, and it's the snacks, and it's the uniforms,
and it's the schedules, and it's the banquets. Now they
(16:38):
have volleyball banquets and it's the team Dinners and we're
all gonna make hair clips together and we're gonna do
ten girls and we have to do this. So now
I have to have a party and they're all going
fucking broke. Everyone's going fucking broke over the shit and
the pressure is crazy. But don't worry. There's more if
they want to go to college. When we were growing up,
if you had money, you got to go to college.
If you didn't, you got a scholarship. If you didn't,
(16:59):
you went local. We just got through. You just went
to college to get the fuck through and get a
degree that you're never going to use. Because it's a
place for kids to park their ass and pretend it's
where they learn to be independent, which it's not. It's
a place where they party and sorority and it's another
status symbol at this point. The schools when I was
growing up and went to college that were fucking for morons.
Now because of marketing and endowment funds and boards and
(17:24):
marketing and marketing and boards and for profit now the dumb,
dumb schools have been marketed as good schools. And I'm like, wait,
that was the idiot school that's now a good school
because somebody decided along the way that's the good school,
when I'm not even sure that anyone should even go
to college anymore, because your diploma is to wipe your
fucking ass and to have a party, and no one
even learns anything at school unless they can't afford it.
(17:45):
And they really are grateful enough. And they're the ones
and the wrong ones, the ones who are in all
the debt. They're the ones who are actually paying attention.
The ones who pay and can afford it shouldn't even
be going because they're not even appreciating it, because it's
the white privileged club of going to college.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So it's all upside down. Okay, it's all upside down.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
If you want to go to one of these colleges
to flex to your friends or to have a status
symbol that your parents can say at the country club
or the cul de sac where their kids went to school,
they have to have a curated brand. I'm not trusting
them to do a lot of things. I still am
making sure I know what time they get home and
if they're in my car, I'm not sleeping that night.
But those individuals have to have a personal brand because
(18:38):
to go to one of these bullshit colleges that used
to be for dummies but is now marketed for rich
people to be a good school to get a good job,
when it's all based on fluff and marshmallows and pomp
and circumstance. To get into that college, you have to
have a story, have a brand. So what do you
have to do. You have to do charity, You have
to check a charity box. You have to take an
art class. You have to go volunteer in your community
(19:02):
for the wrong reasons. You couldn't give a shit about
what you're volunteering for. You're doing it so you have
a personal brand, and you're taking the art class to
get into the college. And that art class is why
your mom has to cut her summer short because she
has to get you home and make sure you're situated
in doing all of the things that you need to
be doing because your mom has to pay to curate
your personal brand. She's the one telling you that you
(19:23):
need a personal brand because she needs you to get
into that college so she can brag to her friends,
or just to be at the baseline, so you're not
getting bullied for going to a loser school, which is
in fact a loser school, because the only reason you
have to do all this shit is because it's like
buying a Shanell or Arimez bag. It's not based on
actually a real education for the most part. And there
(19:44):
are so many douchebags that can pay their way in
or get to this level because they do have douchey
parents and therapists to tell them about the personal brand.
That now every rich, privileged white person in America goes
to these colleges and they don't even get the jobs
because now it's the land of the hustle and the
land of the tech billionaire and the internet garage hoodie
(20:06):
person who's inventing things. And they've overwatched Shark Tank. So
now that's swollen too, because every young person thinks they're
an entrepreneur. So then the other half of the douchey
group is basically not wanting to go to college. They
want to be an influencer, they want to be on YouTube,
they want to be mister Beast, and they're all competing
for the other douchey jobs. That the douchey people that
(20:28):
had the personal brand and went to the art class
and took forty six.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Volleyball League entree tests.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
These are all the assholes competing for other assholeism and
none of it's working. And I would like to get
back to opening the door, kids going outside, riding their
fucking bikes, relaxing during the summer, everyone taking it down
and notch parents not saying you don't get to play
sports because you didn't get straight a's. It's all upside down.
But wait, there's more. This has now filtered into nobody
(20:56):
gets to be a poor person having a wedding because
a middle class, middle class person, the pressure is on.
They have to have a personal website for their wedding.
They have to wear multiple dresses, multiple blinged out sweatpants,
have ninety two bridesmaids. There have to be gifts. Your
wedding is a brand. Your wedding is a brand. Your
bridal shower is a brand. The bachelor party is a brand.
What you're buying everybody is a brand. You have to
(21:16):
have a before outfit and after out at a shower,
out at, a wedding, outfit, a sweat outfit. We have
to buy everybody matching pajamas or your entire bridal party
has to have matching branded gifts. When you get engaged,
it has to be a production. There has to be
a camera crew, you have to have friends documenting it.
Let the brand and website start. I know billionaires who
didn't have more than one wedding dress, and this wasn't
(21:39):
that long ago. Everything is a social media, fucking beach
front garden party, expensive moment that someone's parents are paying for.
My friend who's normal rich person NRP. They're not famous,
they're not billionaires. I would not tell you what her
wedding is costing because you would never speak to me again,
(22:00):
and I almost don't want to speak to her again.
But it's a fierce hunger games throwing it down the toilet,
and these kids want these moments that last one night
long by the fucking house. Even I my wedding back then,
it was not expensive, not even compared to what's going on.
It wasn't that expensive. And guess what if Brinn had
a wedding today, it wouldn't be that expensive. If you
(22:21):
think I would spend these crazy numbers on something going
down the toilet bowl, you're gravely mistaken. But wait, there's
more more people that can't afford it, going out and
spending thousands of dollars on balloon arches and the branded
kid's birthday party. He's two years old, three years old?
Are you in to your fucking mind? I didn't spend
that kind of money for my daughter's birthday parties, And
(22:42):
in fact, I marketed in this way. I'm like, I
would always lean her towards the pick a couple of friends,
and we're going to do an experience, so I would
take them for the cupcake making. Or I once took
them to go to like this denim place and like
tie die and do denim and got like I don't
remember if it was pizza or cupcakes. Or I took
them to not a ferris wheel, like a merry go
round downtown that has like all these lights and it's
(23:03):
like looks like you're in like a mermaid tail. It's
down by Battery Park, and they all got dressed up
as princesses, and I got them a limo or something
to take them all. But like that pales in comparison
to the four thousand dollars balloon arch. Like I got
them a pink limo. We took them in princess outfits
and it was like four friends. Another year it was
a bowling alley. I'm not crying poor or saying that
(23:27):
I slummed it, but it wasn't crazy. It wasn't as
expensive as I see people a lot less well to
do as I am spending money on this bullshit that
is going down the toilet. It's not an investment. It
goes nowhere. It's the flex one Instagram post. So go
the Hollywood way. You know what, Hollywood will have a
shit event in many cases, but if the pictures are
(23:47):
good and they can blast them out, then it seems
like they have this big deal. So get your kid
and a couple of friends and a great floral that's
on a table. But to have these elaborate, crazy parties,
and the Kardashians are the ones who really made this famous,
like having these flex worthy, social media post worthy parties.
(24:08):
But they're billionaires. Of course they're doing that. Every single
moment is a wonderland. Every easter is like literally the
fucking actual easter Bunny is real. They're billionaires. Not everyone's
a billionaire. Everything is over the top. Mack five go broke,
go into debt for every experience these days, and I'm
so fucking sick of it.
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