November 3, 2020 • 28 mins
On Big Tech and good parenting.
Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, I have two sons, So I spent a lot
of time trying to raise good men, right, men that
are kind to women, when that understand their duties, men
that have responsibility. And I think lesbian should raise all
the men because they're super macho and get sensitive at
the same time. Hi, it's your friend Bethany who is
(00:29):
turning fifty and that sounds like a big, bad number
to so many people. I remember thinking that I had
to have my whole life wrapped up in my early twenties,
which is presumably why I stopped trying to be an actress,
why I got married at twenty six. My friends were
getting married, our our friend group was doing that. I
think that was sort of the last of that generation
(00:51):
that really got married on the younger side. And even
in my thirties, I mean not you know, ten years ago,
eleven years ago, I was getting insufficient I mean it
was a little over eleven years ago, getting insufficient funds
at the A T M. Writing checks that were bouncing,
not able to afford a taxi downtown in Manhattan, and
still in my late thirties, I did not know what
(01:12):
was going to happen to me. So I look at
the trajectory from my late thirties to now. I was
a late bloomer in my career. I was always driven,
I was always determined, but I always was a hard worker,
and I always was moving forward on the road. And
I have a beautiful daughter. Like I got my beautiful daughter.
(01:33):
I have a career that is unfathomable. I have an
amazing impact in the world from a philanthropic standpoint. So
by and large, I you know, I'm happy, and you know,
I've experienced a great loss. I I lost somebody who
I knew for thirty two years, who was a constant
in my life, who was not going to leave me.
(01:54):
Got I'm gonna cry, uh, you know, like everybody else
seems to have done in my you know, quote unquote
family life. He was someone who could always go to
Thanksgiving with or you know, I feel like I had
a family, and that's really hard. So I've suffered loss
and heartache and a challenging, abusive childhood. And I think
that I've come out okay, and I know that I'm
(02:17):
raising a beautiful and wonderful daughter. So my girlfriend's turned
fifty recently also, and she's oh, it's dreadful and it's over.
And you know, I'm like, you're wealthy, you're healthy, your
kids are thriving. Shut up, look at the glass half full.
Look at what you've accomplished. It's so vain and superficial
to care. This is my process, this is my journey.
(02:38):
This is where I am. I am fifty, I am proud.
This is what I look like. These are my dark circles,
these are my wrinkles. This is what it is. This
is me and pajama, this is me crying. This is
what it is, and I'm proud. So the dedication today
is to anyone at whatever their age is. This is fifty.
This is my fifty, my fifties, not somebody else's. If
this is my fifty, it's the true fifty and it's
(03:01):
hard earned fifties. So happy birthday to myself. I'm excited
about my conversation today with journalist Kara Swisher. She is
a powerhouse. She has worked in journalism for decades, and
(03:24):
she also founded the technology news site Recode. She has
conducted some of the most hard hitting interviews with the
world's most influential people. She is a gangster. She calls
people out. She's like a watchdog that just holds people accountable.
So I am so honored and excited that I got
(03:44):
to interview her. I'm pinching myself about the guests that
we are getting. It's bananas, and I know you're gonna
love this conversation. So let's get to it. Hi, Hi,
how are you good? How are you doing? I'm great.
I'm really excited, um because for me, you know, from
(04:08):
reading about you, you are way more informed about what's
going on in the world of business and tech and
really really just current and on the pulse of of
sort of everything that's going on, positive and negative. And truthfully,
you tweeted that amazing tweet which was just sort of
(04:29):
putting you, me and Hillary in the same context to
tweet Hillary a lot. I do that online a lot
to her because she's twee. Yeah, oh yeah, I know
her very well. You know her well, yeah, I've interviewed
her three times, like an interview tonight, actually her, Yeah,
so I know her really well. So I've entered your
three times and now this will be the fourth. Oh well, okay,
so then I absolutely I was going to thank you,
(04:50):
but I have to give you a bigger thank you.
I'm absolutely certain that she would not have come on
my podcast and you not created that dialogue, and and
I was grateful, and then I just said, okay, let's
all come on. And so I'm appreciative that you're here
because I know how major you are in your time
is obviously very valuable. I appreciate and relate to your fearlessness.
(05:13):
But there's some point where you just sort of lit
the match and we're like, all right, I'm taking this
thing all the way. I've got this and this is
what I want to know and this is what we're doing.
So how do you run this show? I have to
tell you it's I was like this when I was
a kid. I was very uh outspoken when I was
a kid. It was irritating to my mom and continues
(05:33):
to be to this day. I think. I mean, my
mom always loves to tell the story when I was
in I don't know, third grade or something, I walked
out of class and said, I already know this and
I'm not going to stay here any longer until you
get me something fresh. So you know, I don't know,
I don't know where it comes from. I think some
people are just born a certain way that kind of
bold and outspoken, and I didn't. I didn't suffer. Perhaps
(05:56):
maybe because I was gay that I worried about what
men thought of me. I guess in some ways, a
lot of I think women hold back a little bit um,
and I think it's sort of freed me. I mean,
I did grow up in a period when being gay
was not a positive thing for um, and I'm older,
but I think I just was like, you know what,
they don't like me anyway, so whatever, I'll just like,
(06:17):
they have reasons that are ridiculous for not liking me,
So what do I care? And it wasn't not caring
as much as I will do what I want and
I will try to be, you know, fair, And I
don't think if you go to a lot of people
I interview, because I'm pretty tough on people, they'll say
I'm unfair. I think it's just tough, and that's a
very different That's what I go for, at least that's
what that's what my partner's always say about me. They
(06:39):
say she's tough but fair, so they know what they're getting.
That's fine. Yeah, I mean if you're straight up and
also you know, I don't know about you. I'm not
big on for play. I'm not interested in a lot
of like small talk about what was your summer. I
don't care a good fuck, So it's more about, like,
let's get the meat of the matter. Yeah, yeah, I
think so. I think it works actually, and I do
(07:01):
think that in work, if you're like that, you can
either go two ways. You can get sort of the
reputation for a woman I'm just talking about a woman
of being a bit which I think people, uh, you know,
love to like throw that around. But I think if
you just keep plowing through that that people just stop
at some point because it does it's not really effective
unless you let it affect you. That doesn't minimize the
(07:22):
fact that a lot of women who don't have the
same kind of attitude don't suffer for it because they
have to edit themselves constantly. They have to sort of
play the good girl. They've got to worry about the
tonality of what they're saying. You know, there's so much
talent locked in so many people that gets pushed down
in a lot of ways, and that's where I worry,
especially if your personal color, you're a woman, or if
(07:43):
you're not comfortable in that environment, you tend not to
thrive well. And I think about that a lot in tech,
because you know, there's a lot of white guys in
tech that's it, that's it's just the numbers or speak
for themselves, and you wonder why that is. And I
think a lot not necessarily about bringing people into these
tech companies for example that I cover, it's more about
how do you keep them there? And what come environment
(08:03):
do you have so that lots of people feel more comfortable. Well,
it seems like the environments that you're walking into where
you want to get information, the tone has to be
set immediately. You've already set it because of your reputation,
but it has to be said immediately because these guys
think that they are all powerful, they have become god.
So you have to walk into these guys that really,
(08:24):
you know, supermodels are running after nerdy tech dorks, and
so you're having to walk in and say, Okay, that's
all great and wonderful to travel this money, but now
what are you gonna do and how are you going
to hold yourself responsible? So how do you do that?
And how did you get into that world tech? It
was interesting because I was covering I was at the
Washington Post and I sort of was headed for one
(08:45):
of those traditional Washington Post careers, which is be covering politics.
You know. That was sort of the thing at the
Washington Post. That was the winner. The winners did that,
I guess, not that there's amazing reporters all over that paper,
but that was sort of at the time, the big
the big game at the Post. And I was I
was so uninterested in politics. I just was like, this
is ridiculous. There was a little too much closeness between
the press and people they cover, and there was just
(09:08):
it just was like it seemed like endlessly you know, bullshit.
I just was like, I can't imagine typing this stuff
all day. And when I saw the Internet for the
first time, I was like, oh, this is gonna be big,
you know. I mean, it's very hard to deny it.
And a lot of people did. They thought it was
going to be Someone called it CB radio to me,
and I was like, no, if you could reach out
and talk to someone across it was very Star Trek, right,
(09:30):
And I was a fan of Star Trek and Star
Wars and things like that, and I was like, Oh,
there's gonna be a worldwide information system with these computers.
And they're gonna be in your pocket. And I kept
saying that everybody ignored me. It was funny. So I
just I don't know why I saw it before the people.
I think a lot of people did, but I was
one of the people who was in media who did.
And so I immediately said, what am I gonna do?
(09:50):
What's going to be affected? And and I don't know you,
you're an entrepreneur, so right, so you know you when
you see something and other people don't see it, you go, oh, yes, yes, yes,
this is what's going to happen. Right, whether it's you know,
selling food or creating companies or whatever you're doing, it
doesn't matter. If you see an opening, you see it.
And so I just did because I think I'm entrepreneurial.
(10:11):
And I immediately said where can I go to write
about this? And where can I go to understand it?
And then I immediately said, I got to get out
of Silicon Valley, this is where it's happening, and did
for the Wall Street Journal and started covering what has
been the most controversial sort of unearthing that you've experienced
or someone who you really who we all look at
(10:32):
as some major visionary that we would all be intimidated
by and that you just called them out on their
ship and held their feet to the fire and they
had to be accountable to you. I think Mark Zuckerberg,
I think I've been very tough on Mark Zuckerberg and
a lot of the stuff I have been writing about
for years now, people are like, oh, I see, you
know what I mean. Like I I think I was
one of the first to say a single person having
(10:53):
this much power over the world's communications is dangerous. There
is no you know, this stuff that's going on in
this platform is on related not I don't mean about
government regulations that they're they're running it badly and and
there's all kinds of damage we're not seeing. And so
I think I was really one of the first to
start to call attention to that rather loudly, and I
kept writing pieces saying this guy and I've done a
(11:15):
series of interviews with him that I haven't been very
good for him. Um. We did one and when where
he sweat like crazy, I was asking about privacy. I
remember I've seen that. And then we did one recently
where two years ago where he talked about he and
I had an argument about Alex Jones, who was breaking
rules on his platform constantly, and he continued to let
(11:35):
him do that, which I thought, you know, if you
make rules, why are you letting people break them? And
Alex Jones was the guy who who's a broadcaster who
was lying about the people that were killed, the children
that were killed in Sandy Hook, and I was like,
why are you letting him spread lies and misinformation across
your platform? This is not responsible. And we argued about that,
and he shifted very quickly to the Holocaust, and which
(11:57):
I was like, Oh, that's not a good place to
go for someone who's not as until I actually it
doesn't have throughput to discuss this major issue. And he
started saying that Holocaust deniers don't mean to lie, and
I was like, oh, I think that's their whole business,
is that, you know. So he ended up having a
debate about that, and he just this past week has
suddenly decided they do lie and he's going to take
(12:18):
them off the platform. And so, you know a lot
of stuff that I have targeted at Facebook is I
like Mark Zucker by the way, he's a lovely guy.
You like him? Yeah as a person, sure, Yeah, as
a leader of that company not so much. Well, that's design.
I mean, there's a designer who can do amazing fashion
clothes and then they want to run their business. They
run into the ground. Well except that in his case
(12:39):
and a fashion designer dress comes out, it's bad. In
his case, Q and On takes over Facebook, and you know,
Q no On is so nebulous and weird and strange.
And if they're allowed these without any kind of editorial discretion,
it creates you know, or or or anti vaxers or whatever.
It just it becomes this. There's no um. Everything is
(13:00):
dependent on when he gets figures out that it's problematic
and that's a real problem for me, and that's what
you're there for to be like, Well, then they then
they actually should be they should be grateful for you.
But you could save a lot a lot. No, they're
not h they're not grateful. They're not grateful. Well I am,
and I think Mark really does deserve credit for understanding
(13:21):
social networks had been around previously, lots of them, and
he understood how what he did. He made all the
right choices in terms of doing it. At the same time,
he didn't do his job as a as a manager
to really once it got big, to understand the implications.
I think he understands it now. I think he didn't
anticipate it. Yes, so you're in your personal life and
(13:54):
your relationship. How is it to be so I'm a
strong person, it's not. Someone has to be able to
handle me. Someone has to be able to do the
dance with me through the waltz with me, the proverbial waltz.
How what is it like to be I read about
you and US Magazine just saying right at right, Yeah,
you're in the tabloids a lot better, I know I'm
(14:14):
I was only in the tabloid once when I had
a baby. You were Oh, it was terrible. They kept
speculating whether Jeff Bezos was the father of my child,
which he is not. So it was very and that
was the end of my tabloid career pretty much. Terah,
what's a dynamic of your relationship? You're married? Yes? I
just got married again. Yeah, yess yes. I call it
(14:37):
the triumph of hope over experience. So I was married
for many years to a woman, and we got married
when people weren't getting married. And we had two kids,
and I have an eighteen year old who's at n
y U and a fifteen year old who's here. I'm
in living in Washington because he's in school here. And
my ex wife and I got divorced, very amicable, but
it was it was okay, it was you know, you
know how divorces go. Uh and and so we raised
(15:00):
the kids together. But just a couple of years ago,
two years ago, I met someone else on a blind
date and we just got married and we had a
baby a year ago. So congratulations. So you know, I
have everyone I've been with, including my ex wife and
my current wife. You know, they're obviously they give give
it back to me a lot. I think both of
them were people in their own right and didn't you
(15:21):
know they don't. They certainly tell me the truth, which
is really helpful. UM in a partner. I don't know
if you like that or not. But they spent a
lot of time calling me on stuff, and especially when
I sort of you know how the work tends to
bleed into your personal life sometimes your work personality, Yes,
I do. UM, So it's you know, they're different. I
(15:42):
wouldn't say I'm that different, but it's definitely the techniques
you use at work should not be used in the
home in most of the time. I think having kids
has been a really important part of my life. People
are always surprised how many children I have, and I'm
a busy person, but I spend a lot of time,
especially these gay people at my time when I had kids,
we're not having children like we were one of the
(16:03):
earlier people that have to kids. And so I understand
the value and importance of how much I wanted kids,
like how and how hard it was to be able
to have them, not physically because it was I got
pregnant really quickly, but how important it was. And so
I spent a lot of time thinking about my kids
like and focused on them and focused on the family
unit more than almost anything else that I do, aside
(16:25):
from my work. It's a compartmentalized life. But I mean,
what do your kids think? Do they understand what you do? Well?
I have two sons, the older kids are sons, and
I spent a lot of time really making sure they
understood the world itself, you know, and I especially because
of the privilege they have, and you know, I'm not
going to do this like, oh you should understand, but
I want them to understand their place in the world
(16:45):
and how what was easy for them and what they
need to try harder on, and how they need to
open their eyes a little bit better. And so I
spent a lot of time trying to raise good men, right,
men that are kind to women, when that understand their duties,
men that have a responsibility. And I think I've done
really well. I always think lesbians should raise all the
men because they're super macho and get sensitive at the
same time, So I should lesbians have good sons. There
(17:09):
really are They're like that. They are They're like, there's
no like, I don't know, it's just they're they're really
very uh. And I also encourage them to argue, like
with me and everyone else, like they we have like
really fascinating discussions about all kinds of things. And I
want them to sort of understand the whole gamut of
people's opinions and everything, and not like you know, we
(17:32):
live we grew up. They grew up in San Francisco,
so you have a certain like you're going to have
a certain group of people there. But at the same time,
they were very aware of the whole world. And with
the little girl, which is I have a little girl
now very different and interesting thing that I have to
really think about. It happens to be a super sunny child.
As you know, kids are different. But I think a
lot more about women's place because I have a daughter.
(17:53):
You know, I don't worry as much about my sons
because I think they have an advantage no matter, you
know what I mean, white man in America really is educated.
White band with money in America is not my biggest worry,
all things being equal, not having other issues. And so
I think a lot now about raising a daughter and
what are the signals that are really important to try
to stress so that she feels confident. There are you know,
(18:15):
in no matter how I said, there's still the massive
amounts of sexes and it still exists. I faced it
not with me, but watching it in the tech sector
and the numbers even when people have the best of intentions, right,
it's still it's every It's pervasive. How has being a
woman and a gay woman helped you, like, in what
ways have you found it to be an asset? Well, personally,
(18:36):
it was very difficult the early years because it was
a different period of time. Like I think the world
has changed quite drastically for gay people although some of
the recent rumblings from the Surene Court are disturbing to
say the least. But I do think that I do
tend to you know. I don't want to say I
do better in business because I'm lesbian, because I don't
think that's necessarily true. But I do think that often
(18:57):
it changes dynamics with men, both positively and negatively. In
many ways, men do want to get along with women,
and I'm an easier person to get along with because
there's no there's none of that, like there's there's no like,
there's nothing between us, and so we can have just whatever.
The relationship is a business relationship, which is never going
to be that hap so um, but that's not I
(19:20):
don't think everything is sexualized, but there is an element
of you know, history and things like that, and people
relate to each other. And one of the things that
is negative though, is sometimes when i'm you know, especially
with venture capitalists who not most of whom enough that
is irritating, are kind of really sexist or say rude things, right,
And they often say like they're like, oh, she's good looking, Kara,
what do you think? And I'm like, still a feminist,
(19:42):
still a feminist like may like women, but I really
don't want to talk objectify women if you don't mind,
it happens all the time like men. I was like, oh,
I don't think of her, you know, but and I'm
like and seen, we're back. It's still fist that I
gotta tell you, I don't talk about women's buts like sorry,
like maybe to myself in my own head, but not
(20:04):
to you. It sounds to me like when you're talking
to men, you're disarming in some way to them, or
you're you're unsettling, And it sounds to me like those
are the conversations you own the most. For whatever reason,
I don't know. I don't know. I hadn't thought of that.
That's an interesting question. I don't. I think I could be.
I've had some very tough speaking of Cheryl Sandberg. I've
done some very tough energy with her. Susan Wajiski, who's
(20:25):
the head of YouTube, and I have gone round after
round around you know, some of the disinformation on that platform.
So I don't know if they're that different. There just
happens to be more men that I cover, right, So
there's there's by like most of the CEOs are are men.
At the same time, I've had some really lively interviews
which I think are really fun with Mark Cuban. He
and I have a really or Elon Musk, who's certainly
(20:46):
controversial in some issues. I just did a podcast with
him on the Sway podcast for The Times, and it
was lively, you know what I mean. And I think
it's just because it was Elon Musk, not because he's
a man or a woman. I think it just depends
on the person. Some of them are very lively and
fun and some them are tough, and some of them
are are, you know, very serious. So it just it depends. Now,
this is gonna be real controversial. So questions. So I
(21:08):
am a I am a heterosexual woman. I go, I'm
going on a date. Do you think I should pay
the check? Yes? Are you richer? I don't know. I
like to get a W two perceived you perceive that
you're richer. Uh, hopefully not. But I don't know. I
really don't know. So if I'm rich, a rich person
(21:29):
should pay the check. That's that's my role. Whoever has
more money pays the check. Whoever is perceptually has more
money pays the check. I think that's fine. I don't know,
maybe you can go back and forth. I always pay,
you always pay the check. You're in a you're in
a relationship with a woman, and I think that it steps,
so I'm setting women back. So just be prepared for
this for a second, and don't please don't against if
you want him to pay check, you do that. You
(21:51):
be you. You know. I don't know what to say, like,
I got it, I got that. You want to be
taken care of is what you're actually saying. I'm not.
You don't want to be the one in charge and
you want to be taken care of, So say that.
Can you play the check because I feel like being
taken care of. That'd be you, Bethany, thank you be
you are you very tech savvy personally? Can you get
(22:21):
on anything, do anything, figure anything out? You're helping your
kids the whole thing. They cannot hide from us because
their other mom was the CTO of Americans as an
m I T on the board of M I T
and a Google exactly wasn't honorable, So my kids can't
get anything past us. We're like, oh, really, we can
call the head of Instagram and deal with that. If
you oh, my god. Anything you can get into anything,
(22:42):
log into anything, figure any app out, do all this.
I'm you're not hackers, but we don't mean that. But
if you wanted to be, probably could be. I don't
think I would not have to be a really good hacker,
but I certainly, certainly we're good. We're very early adopters.
I would say that we had all the early tech
stuff in the house way before other people. That's hot
to me. So you love oysters. Where are your favorite oysters?
(23:04):
I have San Francisco oysters are the best story. I'm
sorry up in Point Raise right exactly. And I know
the Long Island ones are good, but I love the
ones in San Francisco. Outside of San Francisco, I think
they're amazing. And I actually taught my youngest child to
shock oysters because he had to be able to do
it for me. Really, so at our recent wedding, someone
(23:24):
gave us two dozen I was just from Rhode Island,
which were delicious, I have to say, and a picnic
in the park. We did a birthday party for the
baby who was a year old, and my son shocked
all the oysters and they were like, how did you
do that? I said it was a requirement of being
my child to be able to shock oysters. So he's
going to oyster shock in camp. Of course, I'm very
I'm going to get him a job. That's what he's
gonna do next. So that's amazing. Yeah. And the other
(23:45):
one is a great cook. My other son is an
amazing cook, and so he cooks. Like I was talking
to the two of them last night. We were making
a cake for my ex because it's her birthday today
and um, and my oldest son was like, I was like,
are you cooking Thanksgiving dinner? And he's like, well, who
else would? It would taste terrible if you all did it,
And so he's cooking. He's cooking the whole Thanksgiving Again,
(24:06):
I say, lesbians should raise all the men. I'm gonna
put that on my dating profile really straight too. I
only want to meet a man who was a lesbian
as a mother. It's going to narrow it down, but
I'll do it. Um Uh, did you know who I
was before? Yes, of course I watched you on the Apprentice.
I was. I'm the only person in America who watched
(24:27):
all the apprentices. My friend I always like, oh, you
don't like Trump. I'm like, I watched all the apprentices.
I don't like them, but my friend I watched all
the apprentices and of course you were my one of
my favorite characters. Thank you. Well, you're you knew you
were going to win right from the start. I don't
remember exact stuff, but I was like, oh, she's gonna
smoke every single person. I was really sweet. Well, you
were good. I appreciate that. Who was the judge when
(24:48):
you were on the Martha Martha? Really? Well, yeah, Martha,
that's delightful for you. Yeah, she's you know what, Martha's
to plout a lot of or berneurial fields and ways
that people. I get that people have issues around her,
but she certainly is an entrepreneur. She has issues around me.
I don't really have any issue. Yeah, what would she
(25:09):
meets you on the show. I don't remember, well, I
can't remember exactly what the words might have been, Um,
you are pushy, you're a show off, and you're not
entirely necessary here at Martha Stewart living omni media, And
I don't know then I would have said, thank you,
thank you for the compliments. Yes, yes, yes, I'm sure
that ruined your life. I'm sure that ruined your life
(25:32):
and stopped and your drags. Yeah, it seems to you
were great. You were great on the show. So I
actually am very aware of who you are, and I'm
fascinated by your businesses. I'm fascinated by I'm really interested
when people do things. When I went into the store,
I'm like, huh, that's a good idea, that's an interesting
I'm always interested in entrepreneurs, no matter what they do.
They don't have to be tech entrepreneurs. Okay, well, I'm
(25:52):
so grateful for you taking the time and I respect you,
and I just wanted to ask your mantras. So I
got one. Noh's a complete sense. Yes, Oh my god, no,
it is a complete sentence. All right, thank you, No
problem with me. Well, she did not disappoint you know,
(26:16):
we had a little bit of sort of like back
and forth. I don't want to say sparring, but she's
not somebody who is going to just agree with you,
which I love, and I mean these conversations are making
us all smarter. Let's just be honest. I mean, she
has a point of view, she has an opinion. She's
not combative. You know, you'd think because this woman holds
people accountable, and like major multibillionaire tech people accountable, that
(26:38):
she's just gonna come and swinging. And it wasn't like
that at all. It was really evolved, intelligent, informative conversation
with a woman who is really she has. She yields power.
I mean, that's the bottom line. And yet she's still,
you know, just a mom dealing with homeschooling. So keep
listening and keep continuing to rape, review and subscribe. We
(27:02):
have unbelievable success in the launch of this podcast thanks
to you. It's just proving the basic rule if you
love what you do, you'll be successful at it. Because
I love doing this more than anything else that I'm doing.
(27:23):
Just Be is hosted an executive produced by me Bethany
Frankel be Real Productions and Endeavor Content. Our managing producer
is Samantha Allison, and our producer is Caroline Hamilton's. Corey
Proventre is our consulting producer, with the ever faithful Sarah
Katanac as our assistant producer. Our development executive is naintre Roy.
(27:44):
Just Be is a production of Endeavor Content and Spoke Media.
This episode was mixed by Sam Bear and to catch
more moments from the show, follow us on Instagram at
just be with
Well, I have two sons, So I spent a lot
of time trying to raise good men, right, men that
are kind to women, when that understand their duties, men
that have responsibility. And I think lesbian should raise all
the men because they're super macho and get sensitive at
the same time. Hi, it's your friend Bethany who is
(00:29):
turning fifty and that sounds like a big, bad number
to so many people. I remember thinking that I had
to have my whole life wrapped up in my early twenties,
which is presumably why I stopped trying to be an actress,
why I got married at twenty six. My friends were
getting married, our our friend group was doing that. I
think that was sort of the last of that generation
(00:51):
that really got married on the younger side. And even
in my thirties, I mean not you know, ten years ago,
eleven years ago, I was getting insufficient I mean it
was a little over eleven years ago, getting insufficient funds
at the A T M. Writing checks that were bouncing,
not able to afford a taxi downtown in Manhattan, and
still in my late thirties, I did not know what
(01:12):
was going to happen to me. So I look at
the trajectory from my late thirties to now. I was
a late bloomer in my career. I was always driven,
I was always determined, but I always was a hard worker,
and I always was moving forward on the road. And
I have a beautiful daughter. Like I got my beautiful daughter.
(01:33):
I have a career that is unfathomable. I have an
amazing impact in the world from a philanthropic standpoint. So
by and large, I you know, I'm happy, and you know,
I've experienced a great loss. I I lost somebody who
I knew for thirty two years, who was a constant
in my life, who was not going to leave me.
(01:54):
Got I'm gonna cry, uh, you know, like everybody else
seems to have done in my you know, quote unquote
family life. He was someone who could always go to
Thanksgiving with or you know, I feel like I had
a family, and that's really hard. So I've suffered loss
and heartache and a challenging, abusive childhood. And I think
that I've come out okay, and I know that I'm
(02:17):
raising a beautiful and wonderful daughter. So my girlfriend's turned
fifty recently also, and she's oh, it's dreadful and it's over.
And you know, I'm like, you're wealthy, you're healthy, your
kids are thriving. Shut up, look at the glass half full.
Look at what you've accomplished. It's so vain and superficial
to care. This is my process, this is my journey.
(02:38):
This is where I am. I am fifty, I am proud.
This is what I look like. These are my dark circles,
these are my wrinkles. This is what it is. This
is me and pajama, this is me crying. This is
what it is, and I'm proud. So the dedication today
is to anyone at whatever their age is. This is fifty.
This is my fifty, my fifties, not somebody else's. If
this is my fifty, it's the true fifty and it's
(03:01):
hard earned fifties. So happy birthday to myself. I'm excited
about my conversation today with journalist Kara Swisher. She is
a powerhouse. She has worked in journalism for decades, and
(03:24):
she also founded the technology news site Recode. She has
conducted some of the most hard hitting interviews with the
world's most influential people. She is a gangster. She calls
people out. She's like a watchdog that just holds people accountable.
So I am so honored and excited that I got
(03:44):
to interview her. I'm pinching myself about the guests that
we are getting. It's bananas, and I know you're gonna
love this conversation. So let's get to it. Hi, Hi,
how are you good? How are you doing? I'm great.
I'm really excited, um because for me, you know, from
(04:08):
reading about you, you are way more informed about what's
going on in the world of business and tech and
really really just current and on the pulse of of
sort of everything that's going on, positive and negative. And truthfully,
you tweeted that amazing tweet which was just sort of
(04:29):
putting you, me and Hillary in the same context to
tweet Hillary a lot. I do that online a lot
to her because she's twee. Yeah, oh yeah, I know
her very well. You know her well, yeah, I've interviewed
her three times, like an interview tonight, actually her, Yeah,
so I know her really well. So I've entered your
three times and now this will be the fourth. Oh well, okay,
so then I absolutely I was going to thank you,
(04:50):
but I have to give you a bigger thank you.
I'm absolutely certain that she would not have come on
my podcast and you not created that dialogue, and and
I was grateful, and then I just said, okay, let's
all come on. And so I'm appreciative that you're here
because I know how major you are in your time
is obviously very valuable. I appreciate and relate to your fearlessness.
(05:13):
But there's some point where you just sort of lit
the match and we're like, all right, I'm taking this
thing all the way. I've got this and this is
what I want to know and this is what we're doing.
So how do you run this show? I have to
tell you it's I was like this when I was
a kid. I was very uh outspoken when I was
a kid. It was irritating to my mom and continues
(05:33):
to be to this day. I think. I mean, my
mom always loves to tell the story when I was
in I don't know, third grade or something, I walked
out of class and said, I already know this and
I'm not going to stay here any longer until you
get me something fresh. So you know, I don't know,
I don't know where it comes from. I think some
people are just born a certain way that kind of
bold and outspoken, and I didn't. I didn't suffer. Perhaps
(05:56):
maybe because I was gay that I worried about what
men thought of me. I guess in some ways, a
lot of I think women hold back a little bit um,
and I think it's sort of freed me. I mean,
I did grow up in a period when being gay
was not a positive thing for um, and I'm older,
but I think I just was like, you know what,
they don't like me anyway, so whatever, I'll just like,
(06:17):
they have reasons that are ridiculous for not liking me,
So what do I care? And it wasn't not caring
as much as I will do what I want and
I will try to be, you know, fair, And I
don't think if you go to a lot of people
I interview, because I'm pretty tough on people, they'll say
I'm unfair. I think it's just tough, and that's a
very different That's what I go for, at least that's
what that's what my partner's always say about me. They
(06:39):
say she's tough but fair, so they know what they're getting.
That's fine. Yeah, I mean if you're straight up and
also you know, I don't know about you. I'm not
big on for play. I'm not interested in a lot
of like small talk about what was your summer. I
don't care a good fuck, So it's more about, like,
let's get the meat of the matter. Yeah, yeah, I
think so. I think it works actually, and I do
(07:01):
think that in work, if you're like that, you can
either go two ways. You can get sort of the
reputation for a woman I'm just talking about a woman
of being a bit which I think people, uh, you know,
love to like throw that around. But I think if
you just keep plowing through that that people just stop
at some point because it does it's not really effective
unless you let it affect you. That doesn't minimize the
(07:22):
fact that a lot of women who don't have the
same kind of attitude don't suffer for it because they
have to edit themselves constantly. They have to sort of
play the good girl. They've got to worry about the
tonality of what they're saying. You know, there's so much
talent locked in so many people that gets pushed down
in a lot of ways, and that's where I worry,
especially if your personal color, you're a woman, or if
(07:43):
you're not comfortable in that environment, you tend not to
thrive well. And I think about that a lot in tech,
because you know, there's a lot of white guys in
tech that's it, that's it's just the numbers or speak
for themselves, and you wonder why that is. And I
think a lot not necessarily about bringing people into these
tech companies for example that I cover, it's more about
how do you keep them there? And what come environment
(08:03):
do you have so that lots of people feel more comfortable. Well,
it seems like the environments that you're walking into where
you want to get information, the tone has to be
set immediately. You've already set it because of your reputation,
but it has to be said immediately because these guys
think that they are all powerful, they have become god.
So you have to walk into these guys that really,
(08:24):
you know, supermodels are running after nerdy tech dorks, and
so you're having to walk in and say, Okay, that's
all great and wonderful to travel this money, but now
what are you gonna do and how are you going
to hold yourself responsible? So how do you do that?
And how did you get into that world tech? It
was interesting because I was covering I was at the
Washington Post and I sort of was headed for one
(08:45):
of those traditional Washington Post careers, which is be covering politics.
You know. That was sort of the thing at the
Washington Post. That was the winner. The winners did that,
I guess, not that there's amazing reporters all over that paper,
but that was sort of at the time, the big
the big game at the Post. And I was I
was so uninterested in politics. I just was like, this
is ridiculous. There was a little too much closeness between
the press and people they cover, and there was just
(09:08):
it just was like it seemed like endlessly you know, bullshit.
I just was like, I can't imagine typing this stuff
all day. And when I saw the Internet for the
first time, I was like, oh, this is gonna be big,
you know. I mean, it's very hard to deny it.
And a lot of people did. They thought it was
going to be Someone called it CB radio to me,
and I was like, no, if you could reach out
and talk to someone across it was very Star Trek, right,
(09:30):
And I was a fan of Star Trek and Star
Wars and things like that, and I was like, Oh,
there's gonna be a worldwide information system with these computers.
And they're gonna be in your pocket. And I kept
saying that everybody ignored me. It was funny. So I
just I don't know why I saw it before the people.
I think a lot of people did, but I was
one of the people who was in media who did.
And so I immediately said, what am I gonna do?
(09:50):
What's going to be affected? And and I don't know you,
you're an entrepreneur, so right, so you know you when
you see something and other people don't see it, you go, oh, yes, yes, yes,
this is what's going to happen. Right, whether it's you know,
selling food or creating companies or whatever you're doing, it
doesn't matter. If you see an opening, you see it.
And so I just did because I think I'm entrepreneurial.
(10:11):
And I immediately said where can I go to write
about this? And where can I go to understand it?
And then I immediately said, I got to get out
of Silicon Valley, this is where it's happening, and did
for the Wall Street Journal and started covering what has
been the most controversial sort of unearthing that you've experienced
or someone who you really who we all look at
(10:32):
as some major visionary that we would all be intimidated
by and that you just called them out on their
ship and held their feet to the fire and they
had to be accountable to you. I think Mark Zuckerberg,
I think I've been very tough on Mark Zuckerberg and
a lot of the stuff I have been writing about
for years now, people are like, oh, I see, you
know what I mean. Like I I think I was
one of the first to say a single person having
(10:53):
this much power over the world's communications is dangerous. There
is no you know, this stuff that's going on in
this platform is on related not I don't mean about
government regulations that they're they're running it badly and and
there's all kinds of damage we're not seeing. And so
I think I was really one of the first to
start to call attention to that rather loudly, and I
kept writing pieces saying this guy and I've done a
(11:15):
series of interviews with him that I haven't been very
good for him. Um. We did one and when where
he sweat like crazy, I was asking about privacy. I
remember I've seen that. And then we did one recently
where two years ago where he talked about he and
I had an argument about Alex Jones, who was breaking
rules on his platform constantly, and he continued to let
(11:35):
him do that, which I thought, you know, if you
make rules, why are you letting people break them? And
Alex Jones was the guy who who's a broadcaster who
was lying about the people that were killed, the children
that were killed in Sandy Hook, and I was like,
why are you letting him spread lies and misinformation across
your platform? This is not responsible. And we argued about that,
and he shifted very quickly to the Holocaust, and which
(11:57):
I was like, Oh, that's not a good place to
go for someone who's not as until I actually it
doesn't have throughput to discuss this major issue. And he
started saying that Holocaust deniers don't mean to lie, and
I was like, oh, I think that's their whole business,
is that, you know. So he ended up having a
debate about that, and he just this past week has
suddenly decided they do lie and he's going to take
(12:18):
them off the platform. And so, you know a lot
of stuff that I have targeted at Facebook is I
like Mark Zucker by the way, he's a lovely guy.
You like him? Yeah as a person, sure, Yeah, as
a leader of that company not so much. Well, that's design.
I mean, there's a designer who can do amazing fashion
clothes and then they want to run their business. They
run into the ground. Well except that in his case
(12:39):
and a fashion designer dress comes out, it's bad. In
his case, Q and On takes over Facebook, and you know,
Q no On is so nebulous and weird and strange.
And if they're allowed these without any kind of editorial discretion,
it creates you know, or or or anti vaxers or whatever.
It just it becomes this. There's no um. Everything is
(13:00):
dependent on when he gets figures out that it's problematic
and that's a real problem for me, and that's what
you're there for to be like, Well, then they then
they actually should be they should be grateful for you.
But you could save a lot a lot. No, they're
not h they're not grateful. They're not grateful. Well I am,
and I think Mark really does deserve credit for understanding
(13:21):
social networks had been around previously, lots of them, and
he understood how what he did. He made all the
right choices in terms of doing it. At the same time,
he didn't do his job as a as a manager
to really once it got big, to understand the implications.
I think he understands it now. I think he didn't
anticipate it. Yes, so you're in your personal life and
(13:54):
your relationship. How is it to be so I'm a
strong person, it's not. Someone has to be able to
handle me. Someone has to be able to do the
dance with me through the waltz with me, the proverbial waltz.
How what is it like to be I read about
you and US Magazine just saying right at right, Yeah,
you're in the tabloids a lot better, I know I'm
(14:14):
I was only in the tabloid once when I had
a baby. You were Oh, it was terrible. They kept
speculating whether Jeff Bezos was the father of my child,
which he is not. So it was very and that
was the end of my tabloid career pretty much. Terah,
what's a dynamic of your relationship? You're married? Yes? I
just got married again. Yeah, yess yes. I call it
(14:37):
the triumph of hope over experience. So I was married
for many years to a woman, and we got married
when people weren't getting married. And we had two kids,
and I have an eighteen year old who's at n
y U and a fifteen year old who's here. I'm
in living in Washington because he's in school here. And
my ex wife and I got divorced, very amicable, but
it was it was okay, it was you know, you
know how divorces go. Uh and and so we raised
(15:00):
the kids together. But just a couple of years ago,
two years ago, I met someone else on a blind
date and we just got married and we had a
baby a year ago. So congratulations. So you know, I
have everyone I've been with, including my ex wife and
my current wife. You know, they're obviously they give give
it back to me a lot. I think both of
them were people in their own right and didn't you
(15:21):
know they don't. They certainly tell me the truth, which
is really helpful. UM in a partner. I don't know
if you like that or not. But they spent a
lot of time calling me on stuff, and especially when
I sort of you know how the work tends to
bleed into your personal life sometimes your work personality, Yes,
I do. UM, So it's you know, they're different. I
(15:42):
wouldn't say I'm that different, but it's definitely the techniques
you use at work should not be used in the
home in most of the time. I think having kids
has been a really important part of my life. People
are always surprised how many children I have, and I'm
a busy person, but I spend a lot of time,
especially these gay people at my time when I had kids,
we're not having children like we were one of the
(16:03):
earlier people that have to kids. And so I understand
the value and importance of how much I wanted kids,
like how and how hard it was to be able
to have them, not physically because it was I got
pregnant really quickly, but how important it was. And so
I spent a lot of time thinking about my kids
like and focused on them and focused on the family
unit more than almost anything else that I do, aside
(16:25):
from my work. It's a compartmentalized life. But I mean,
what do your kids think? Do they understand what you do? Well?
I have two sons, the older kids are sons, and
I spent a lot of time really making sure they
understood the world itself, you know, and I especially because
of the privilege they have, and you know, I'm not
going to do this like, oh you should understand, but
I want them to understand their place in the world
(16:45):
and how what was easy for them and what they
need to try harder on, and how they need to
open their eyes a little bit better. And so I
spent a lot of time trying to raise good men, right,
men that are kind to women, when that understand their duties,
men that have a responsibility. And I think I've done
really well. I always think lesbians should raise all the
men because they're super macho and get sensitive at the
same time, So I should lesbians have good sons. There
(17:09):
really are They're like that. They are They're like, there's
no like, I don't know, it's just they're they're really
very uh. And I also encourage them to argue, like
with me and everyone else, like they we have like
really fascinating discussions about all kinds of things. And I
want them to sort of understand the whole gamut of
people's opinions and everything, and not like you know, we
(17:32):
live we grew up. They grew up in San Francisco,
so you have a certain like you're going to have
a certain group of people there. But at the same time,
they were very aware of the whole world. And with
the little girl, which is I have a little girl
now very different and interesting thing that I have to
really think about. It happens to be a super sunny child.
As you know, kids are different. But I think a
lot more about women's place because I have a daughter.
(17:53):
You know, I don't worry as much about my sons
because I think they have an advantage no matter, you
know what I mean, white man in America really is educated.
White band with money in America is not my biggest worry,
all things being equal, not having other issues. And so
I think a lot now about raising a daughter and
what are the signals that are really important to try
to stress so that she feels confident. There are you know,
(18:15):
in no matter how I said, there's still the massive
amounts of sexes and it still exists. I faced it
not with me, but watching it in the tech sector
and the numbers even when people have the best of intentions, right,
it's still it's every It's pervasive. How has being a
woman and a gay woman helped you, like, in what
ways have you found it to be an asset? Well, personally,
(18:36):
it was very difficult the early years because it was
a different period of time. Like I think the world
has changed quite drastically for gay people although some of
the recent rumblings from the Surene Court are disturbing to
say the least. But I do think that I do
tend to you know. I don't want to say I
do better in business because I'm lesbian, because I don't
think that's necessarily true. But I do think that often
(18:57):
it changes dynamics with men, both positively and negatively. In
many ways, men do want to get along with women,
and I'm an easier person to get along with because
there's no there's none of that, like there's there's no like,
there's nothing between us, and so we can have just whatever.
The relationship is a business relationship, which is never going
to be that hap so um, but that's not I
(19:20):
don't think everything is sexualized, but there is an element
of you know, history and things like that, and people
relate to each other. And one of the things that
is negative though, is sometimes when i'm you know, especially
with venture capitalists who not most of whom enough that
is irritating, are kind of really sexist or say rude things, right,
And they often say like they're like, oh, she's good looking, Kara,
what do you think? And I'm like, still a feminist,
(19:42):
still a feminist like may like women, but I really
don't want to talk objectify women if you don't mind,
it happens all the time like men. I was like, oh,
I don't think of her, you know, but and I'm
like and seen, we're back. It's still fist that I
gotta tell you, I don't talk about women's buts like sorry,
like maybe to myself in my own head, but not
(20:04):
to you. It sounds to me like when you're talking
to men, you're disarming in some way to them, or
you're you're unsettling, And it sounds to me like those
are the conversations you own the most. For whatever reason,
I don't know. I don't know. I hadn't thought of that.
That's an interesting question. I don't. I think I could be.
I've had some very tough speaking of Cheryl Sandberg. I've
done some very tough energy with her. Susan Wajiski, who's
(20:25):
the head of YouTube, and I have gone round after
round around you know, some of the disinformation on that platform.
So I don't know if they're that different. There just
happens to be more men that I cover, right, So
there's there's by like most of the CEOs are are men.
At the same time, I've had some really lively interviews
which I think are really fun with Mark Cuban. He
and I have a really or Elon Musk, who's certainly
(20:46):
controversial in some issues. I just did a podcast with
him on the Sway podcast for The Times, and it
was lively, you know what I mean. And I think
it's just because it was Elon Musk, not because he's
a man or a woman. I think it just depends
on the person. Some of them are very lively and
fun and some them are tough, and some of them
are are, you know, very serious. So it just it depends. Now,
this is gonna be real controversial. So questions. So I
(21:08):
am a I am a heterosexual woman. I go, I'm
going on a date. Do you think I should pay
the check? Yes? Are you richer? I don't know. I
like to get a W two perceived you perceive that
you're richer. Uh, hopefully not. But I don't know. I
really don't know. So if I'm rich, a rich person
(21:29):
should pay the check. That's that's my role. Whoever has
more money pays the check. Whoever is perceptually has more
money pays the check. I think that's fine. I don't know,
maybe you can go back and forth. I always pay,
you always pay the check. You're in a you're in
a relationship with a woman, and I think that it steps,
so I'm setting women back. So just be prepared for
this for a second, and don't please don't against if
you want him to pay check, you do that. You
(21:51):
be you. You know. I don't know what to say, like,
I got it, I got that. You want to be
taken care of is what you're actually saying. I'm not.
You don't want to be the one in charge and
you want to be taken care of, So say that.
Can you play the check because I feel like being
taken care of. That'd be you, Bethany, thank you be
you are you very tech savvy personally? Can you get
(22:21):
on anything, do anything, figure anything out? You're helping your
kids the whole thing. They cannot hide from us because
their other mom was the CTO of Americans as an
m I T on the board of M I T
and a Google exactly wasn't honorable, So my kids can't
get anything past us. We're like, oh, really, we can
call the head of Instagram and deal with that. If
you oh, my god. Anything you can get into anything,
(22:42):
log into anything, figure any app out, do all this.
I'm you're not hackers, but we don't mean that. But
if you wanted to be, probably could be. I don't
think I would not have to be a really good hacker,
but I certainly, certainly we're good. We're very early adopters.
I would say that we had all the early tech
stuff in the house way before other people. That's hot
to me. So you love oysters. Where are your favorite oysters?
(23:04):
I have San Francisco oysters are the best story. I'm
sorry up in Point Raise right exactly. And I know
the Long Island ones are good, but I love the
ones in San Francisco. Outside of San Francisco, I think
they're amazing. And I actually taught my youngest child to
shock oysters because he had to be able to do
it for me. Really, so at our recent wedding, someone
(23:24):
gave us two dozen I was just from Rhode Island,
which were delicious, I have to say, and a picnic
in the park. We did a birthday party for the
baby who was a year old, and my son shocked
all the oysters and they were like, how did you
do that? I said it was a requirement of being
my child to be able to shock oysters. So he's
going to oyster shock in camp. Of course, I'm very
I'm going to get him a job. That's what he's
gonna do next. So that's amazing. Yeah. And the other
(23:45):
one is a great cook. My other son is an
amazing cook, and so he cooks. Like I was talking
to the two of them last night. We were making
a cake for my ex because it's her birthday today
and um, and my oldest son was like, I was like,
are you cooking Thanksgiving dinner? And he's like, well, who
else would? It would taste terrible if you all did it,
And so he's cooking. He's cooking the whole Thanksgiving Again,
(24:06):
I say, lesbians should raise all the men. I'm gonna
put that on my dating profile really straight too. I
only want to meet a man who was a lesbian
as a mother. It's going to narrow it down, but
I'll do it. Um Uh, did you know who I
was before? Yes, of course I watched you on the Apprentice.
I was. I'm the only person in America who watched
(24:27):
all the apprentices. My friend I always like, oh, you
don't like Trump. I'm like, I watched all the apprentices.
I don't like them, but my friend I watched all
the apprentices and of course you were my one of
my favorite characters. Thank you. Well, you're you knew you
were going to win right from the start. I don't
remember exact stuff, but I was like, oh, she's gonna
smoke every single person. I was really sweet. Well, you
were good. I appreciate that. Who was the judge when
(24:48):
you were on the Martha Martha? Really? Well, yeah, Martha,
that's delightful for you. Yeah, she's you know what, Martha's
to plout a lot of or berneurial fields and ways
that people. I get that people have issues around her,
but she certainly is an entrepreneur. She has issues around me.
I don't really have any issue. Yeah, what would she
(25:09):
meets you on the show. I don't remember, well, I
can't remember exactly what the words might have been, Um,
you are pushy, you're a show off, and you're not
entirely necessary here at Martha Stewart living omni media, And
I don't know then I would have said, thank you,
thank you for the compliments. Yes, yes, yes, I'm sure
that ruined your life. I'm sure that ruined your life
(25:32):
and stopped and your drags. Yeah, it seems to you
were great. You were great on the show. So I
actually am very aware of who you are, and I'm
fascinated by your businesses. I'm fascinated by I'm really interested
when people do things. When I went into the store,
I'm like, huh, that's a good idea, that's an interesting
I'm always interested in entrepreneurs, no matter what they do.
They don't have to be tech entrepreneurs. Okay, well, I'm
(25:52):
so grateful for you taking the time and I respect you,
and I just wanted to ask your mantras. So I
got one. Noh's a complete sense. Yes, Oh my god, no,
it is a complete sentence. All right, thank you, No
problem with me. Well, she did not disappoint you know,
(26:16):
we had a little bit of sort of like back
and forth. I don't want to say sparring, but she's
not somebody who is going to just agree with you,
which I love, and I mean these conversations are making
us all smarter. Let's just be honest. I mean, she
has a point of view, she has an opinion. She's
not combative. You know, you'd think because this woman holds
people accountable, and like major multibillionaire tech people accountable, that
(26:38):
she's just gonna come and swinging. And it wasn't like
that at all. It was really evolved, intelligent, informative conversation
with a woman who is really she has. She yields power.
I mean, that's the bottom line. And yet she's still,
you know, just a mom dealing with homeschooling. So keep
listening and keep continuing to rape, review and subscribe. We
(27:02):
have unbelievable success in the launch of this podcast thanks
to you. It's just proving the basic rule if you
love what you do, you'll be successful at it. Because
I love doing this more than anything else that I'm doing.
(27:23):
Just Be is hosted an executive produced by me Bethany
Frankel be Real Productions and Endeavor Content. Our managing producer
is Samantha Allison, and our producer is Caroline Hamilton's. Corey
Proventre is our consulting producer, with the ever faithful Sarah
Katanac as our assistant producer. Our development executive is naintre Roy.
(27:44):
Just Be is a production of Endeavor Content and Spoke Media.
This episode was mixed by Sam Bear and to catch
more moments from the show, follow us on Instagram at
just be with
Host
Bethenny Frankel
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com