November 21, 2025 • 31 mins
Amber joins Bethenny to discuss the wild and taboo topics people have experienced. She shares the personal side of her past relationships and interesting details that went along with it.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Oh my god, Hi, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm good. I love you. I don't remember if the
last time I saw you was on my show, but
you're one of the people that I feel like I'm
friends with in my head, like I know you because
I just have good memories of you, and I can't
even I feel like I know you or we're friends.
But I've met you only a couple times. And do
you remember the first time we met? Because I know
(00:36):
you were on my show, but I feel like I
knew you before that. I might get a party or something.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Oh good, you like me. You have no idea, but
you know you know me right of course, right, like
we know each other, but I don't have I mean,
we both blacked out, honestly.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I just think that, you know, we just probably run
into so many people so often that, like, you know,
it's not like sometimes I feel bad. They're like you
remember me from this and from that, I'm like, oh
my god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I know likewise, but I like you. I've always liked you,
and I'm really excited that you're here and to chat
with you. And I'm a little like hazy today because
I woke up do you ever wake up, like, do
you get anxiety? I read it. I was reading everything
about you, and I woke up today. Sometimes it happens
(01:28):
at night, but this morning I woke up with generalized anxiety.
I like, it wasn't about anything specific. I was just like,
I'm anxious, and I feel like the world's coming to
an end and I don't understand what's happening right now.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, every single morning for me ractly. And I talk
to my friend a lot on the phone because she
kind of deals with that, but hers is at night
before she goes to bed. Yeah, so I like exhaust myself.
I like do so much during the day, so I
could just fall asleep at night right pick up in
the morning. Just my heart beats out of my chest. Wow,
(02:00):
And like I try to find a reason and there's
just no reason.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And you know you can indulge it or try to not.
And it's funny because sometimes you're tired and you drink
coffee and you know that's the worst idea, but because
it's like, but you'd want the coffee because you're craving
the coffee. And I forced myself to go in the
other room and do yoga, like just in my pajamas
onto mat and it did it did calm the lambs
down a little.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah. I do the gym five days a week. I
have to, so it makes a big difference. Yeah, and
I go straight to the gym. Wow, it that way.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So you have two you have two sons? Okay?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
How old are they or an eleven? Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Wow? Okay? How is motherhood like? Do you feel like
you have a handle on it? Do you feel guilt?
Do you feel like you're good at it? What do
you think about motherhood overall?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Honestly, I feel like that most of my anxiety probably
comes from being a mother. And funny because when I
was pregnant with my first son, I had a conversation
with Andrew Martinez and she was like, you know, you're
never gonna sleep ever again. And I think of that
from like a superficial standpoint, like no, I mean, obviously
(03:14):
my kids are going to sleep throughout the night, you know,
Like that's how I was kind of thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But she was right.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I mean I think that you think of the worst
possible scenario every single day, whether you know they're gonna
fall in the pool and they're not a god, they're
gonna fall out of a window, or like someone's gonna
hit them at school and it's gonna hurt, Like I
don't know. I think that's where most of my anxiety
(03:41):
comes from, just thinking about something happening to my kids.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's interesting mine is not. That's a piece of it.
But it's funny you say that because I was talking
to my daughter this morning and she's thirteen, she's turning
four tea and you know how like when you're wondering
if someone's cheating on you, the questions you ask, Like
I said to her today, so where did you go yesterday?
And she said, I went to, you know, my friend's house.
(04:06):
And I said, had you get there? Because she's in
the city when she's with her dad and all the
way uptown And I said, how'd you get there? And
she said, I rode my bike And I said you
took a city bike and she's like yeah, And I
said did you have wear a helmet? And she said no?
And I was like ruined my whole day in morning,
Like I it's a letter. It's a letter. It's like
(04:27):
it's like a police man following her now, like you know,
because I get it. I'm just like and you feel
like you have to say, okay, promise me this and
promise you're gonna be careful. But you remember you were
a kid, and you remember you were partying way younger
than you should be. And now we're getting into the
high school age and weep were having sex and the
drugs are and drinking, and I'm like, I don't know
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if I'm built for this that part.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
No, I get it. I get it. And even just heartbreaks,
like you know, Sebastian's eleven, he likes girls. Now the
one girl that he liked was kind of being mean
to him, and like, you know, he was upset, and
I'm just like, oh, I got it.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't know if you saw my video last week
that people were commenting on my daughter's tank top and
it was literally just a tank top and there was
this tiny I'm out with little cherries on and she
dresses very age appropriate, she's very and I just you know,
these days, you're careful about what you'll say on social media.
You're a little more tempered, right, And I just literally
(05:25):
said to the world, I'll shut it down right now,
like no.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
And it's so funny because I'm forty now, so like
my my elementary school years were in the nineties, and
if kids fuck with me at school, my mom was
in the school yard like like, don't fuck with my daughter,
you know, but it was, oh, one hundred that was
my mom for sure, and I'll fight you, and my
mom's gonna fight your mom.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Totally one hundred percent. Think of it. I read about
you and you experienced bullying, and like, we can't wrap
them in bubble wrap. You're a tough bitch because you're
a tough bitch. So like, what's that your kids have
money that you didn't have, you know, privilege that you
didn't have, and they're going to be a little softer
than you because we want to wrap them and bubble wrap.
(06:12):
So what about that?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, it's true, but I mean I grew up in
South Philly, in the inner city, you know, I went
to a public school. So the culture was, you know,
if somebody wants to fight you, you have to fight them,
right Because I don't fight them, they will constantly bully
you for the rest of the school year. So you
got to get it out the way and you hope
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that it's going to be a fair fight. So you
have your mom there to make sure no one jumps in,
and I just I can't imagine my kids going through that.
You know, it was like you don't think about it
at the time that it's like probably it probably traumatized
the shit out of me. Yes, but it was just
the culture. And now with my kids' school, they have
zero tolerance, like you are expelled if you fight.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Oh no, you can't say a word to somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And just with the next generation, it's like you don't
want them to fight. You don't want them to just
be outside, you know, until the street lights come on
to come in. I watch my kids like a hawk.
But also at the same time, it's like, are they
gonna be able to handle life? And life lets you
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that are tough, right, because they're not.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I don't know, Like I kind of they will because
you'll be there and you'll adjust. It's like it's a living,
breathing organism. You still have that skill set, so you'll
give it to them to adjust to whatever happens in
this landscape. I think. You know, so what are you
doing now? Like what's if someone were on a plane
next to you and said, what's your career? Like what
(07:46):
are you working on? The most are you modeling actings,
like what are you doing? Mostly?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, So I just got the cover of Galore so
that's coming out soon. So I'm still I'm still doing
you know, modeling. And obviously my podcast, I hope they're
not listening with Amber Rose and talk about like taboo
topics and I rest Tyson on. I had Lucian Greaves,
(08:13):
the head of the Satanic Temple on and I just,
you know, I'm just curious. I just want to know
the ins and outs of like taboo things, and so
that's pretty much what my podcast is about.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, it's really fun. It's really love that. I had
a girl come on. She was a part of a
cult in Utah. She told her story. I had a
mortician on there, which is surprisingly you think you know,
but you have no idea, like that world is light
and I think some people that's why I named it.
(08:48):
I hope they're not listening, because there are some things
that you might not want to know when it comes
to death, you know, rolls and cremation and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So that's very podcasting though, that's very neat. I like that,
it's like very niche and who's vetting the guests. It's
your natural curiosity or a combination between you and your producers.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah. So I sit with them and I just tell
them things that I'm into, and like they, you know,
develop a list and we go through the list, and
I'm like, yes, I want to talk to her. I
want to talk to him. You know. Another guy, Terry Lovelace,
he was abducted by aliens in nineteen seventy nine. He
worked in the Air Force, and his story is absolutely crazy.
(09:32):
He was up on the ship. He saw a pink alien,
a pink alien that was kind of like in charge
of everything. I know, it sounds so crazy, but when
he tells the story, it's unbelievable. There was mantis aliens
kind of working on him. They were like a part
of the medical fields within the ship. It's crazy because
(09:55):
he just came out with his story in twenty eighteen,
because all these years he was just like, no one
is this sounds unbelievable, No one believe me. It just
sounds so crazy. And he finally was just like, you know,
I'm older, now, this is what happened to me. And
he had like over four thousand people reach out and
(10:15):
they were telling their stories and a lot of things
add crazy. Yeah, all from all over the world, and
so it's crazy. I don't know, it was kind of cool.
I had a guy on there that talked to people
that had near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So it's I like the I like the show. It's
very that's very unique, and I love I love that.
So are you a sexual person or you've just utilized
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sexuality as a tool.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Not I would say not at all, because I've a
lot of people aren't sexual, being most people are not asexual.
I'm definitely not. I'm more conservative. Actually, I've always been
conservative since I was young, and I think coming out
on the scene, I was kind of thrown into this
sex spot type of girl. And so when I was
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kind of out on my own without my first relationship,
that kind of like brought me to the light. That's
what they wanted from me. And so I feel like,
you know, even way into it, yeah, well, even when
I would try to go against the grain, and you know,
I would have like producers saying, Okay, so we want
to do this video for MTV and we want you
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at the pool with a bikini on, you know, martini
in your hand, and I'm like, I'm so not her,
Like I'm so not and I get what I come
off as, but I'm so not her and they're like, oh, well,
I guess we don't want to do it then. So
it was more so like I've gotten to survival mode.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And how does the market decide what the product? The
market said, this is what the product is. And that's
let me. Well, when you say your first you're talking
about Kanye, So that was your first you're saying public
relationship or your first relationship.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That was my first relationship with the celebrity ever, but
also in the public eye, and so you know, here's
a lot about fashion and like he always wanted me
to dress very sexy, and you know, I was young
at the time, and I'm like, okay, you know that,
and that's you know, I was still an adult, so
(12:42):
obviously I made that decision to say yes or no whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, at what age of an adult because that's you know,
I don't think a twenty How old are you twenty five? Okay?
So on the verge of being an adult like not,
you know still, and it depends on where you were
in your journey, how immature you.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Are when you're forty, you can look at twenty five
and say I was a baby and I didn't know shit,
you know, But when five, you're like, I'm grown, I
know everything and you don't. You don't know anything besides that,
you know I did. I kind of got pigeon held
into this, this sexy type of girl. And it's funny
(13:18):
because I just came across an Ink magazine cover that
someone tagged me in on Instagram and it says the
Sex Issue, and I cringed because it just brought me
back to a time where it was like I remember
fighting so hard two to not be that person, and
no one would let me. You know, They're like, oh, well,
(13:41):
you want the cover with the cover or not because
it's a sex issue and we want to give it
to you. You know you're gonna make money, you know,
or not?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So I felly, Yeah, I fully, I fully get that.
Yeah people, And it's and it's an easy muscle because
you know how to do that. And do you feel
like you were amuse or was it? Was there any
part of it that was flattering? Because I feel like
a lot of your persona is defined by men. And
(14:12):
it's funny. There's this girl on TikTok that talks about
which person in the relationship is a black cat and
which is a golden retriever, and You're you seem like
you're always the black cat. You have these guys coveting you,
and like it's that black cat dynamic that they that
they love and is it? Was it flattering? Was it
intoxicating to be so desired?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And like I definitely went into it with a delusional
mind state that like people actually cared about me. And
again I can look back and be like, he probably
didn't care, and that's no one specific. But I went
in with genuine feelings. And every person I've dated and
(14:54):
you know, kind of dealt with it was always genuine
from my side. Let's just say that you so, I
I'm just a down home South Philly girl. It's hard
for me to look at myself as like amuse, although
I'm sure I was too quite aple, but yeah, I
(15:14):
just I just like to think that I'm just like
a down home Philly girl and from the outside looking in,
it looks like something else, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, I don't relate to the celebrity aspect because I've
never dated or been attracted to celebrities, but I do
relate to the like being chosen and you're sort of
not driving, You're like a passenger in the car, and
then all of a sudden you're in some destination and
you're like, I don't know what, I didn't see the
sign on this bus, and like why did I get in?
It seemed like an interesting thing to do. And then
(15:44):
you're years later and you're on the wrong fucking bus.
So I get and I get that because while you know,
I'm a supermodel, I have been that black cat my
whole life too. So my question is, do you feel
like you haven't been driving, like people are choosing you?
You go on the rockde and then you know because
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and you're also with many celebrity men, so that's definitely
a journey, and like have you intervened in that? Are
you still doing that? Like what is that about?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, I don't think it's many. I think it's probably
about four or five throughout fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Okay, but that's still a lot, I think.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
No, guys, it's very different from who I've actually been
with and dated. So as far as media goes, if
I'm in the same restaurant as someone, I'm dating them.
It caught you know, at the a photographer is like, hey,
can we get a picture of you and so and so,
And I'm like, sure, I'm with them as well. So
(16:47):
h that added up over the years because there's no
handbook to tell you how to be a celebrity. I've
always been very gracious for people that wanted to take
pictures with me, or photographers that wanted to take pictures
of me. I thought that was just the right thing
to do. And so over time it was like Amber's
messing with this guy, Amber's messing with that guy, Amberzo
and this Ambras and that. So all of my relationships,
(17:11):
I like to be monogamous with one person, and I've
never just been out fucking guys, although it looks like
I have plenty of male friends. And I would even say, honestly,
the past two months they said that I'm fucking with
Chris Rock, I'm fucking with the kid CJ. Strout that's
(17:33):
twenty two years old. He gave me a ride home.
I kind of got stuck at this charity softball game.
It's a long story. You know. Things like that add
up over time, and people are like, God, this girl's
fucking everyone you know, and so that just became my life,
and it did take a toll on my mental health
(17:56):
because you know, then I get on Twitter and I
get on Instagram, I'm like, hey, guys, this isn't true.
And all they say is, yes, it is. You're a liar,
you're a whore, you fuck everybody, blah blah blah. And
so then I just got to the point where it
was like, I'll be a whore then sure, whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That's you said that. It's not like you're Celli Bate,
but you're not interested in a relationship, like you are
defined about the fact that you do not want to
be in a relationship. And I think that's really interesting
because I was hearing Kelly Clarkson on her show when
asked by Hoda, I think it was you know, do
you want to date? And she was like, absolutely not.
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I have my kids, I have my job. She just
went through it. She's still going through a gnarly divorce,
which no one understands better than I do. And like
she's like, I'm good. And Drew Barrymore gives a little
bit of that too. And I just have been hearing
that from different women in entertainment that we haven't heard
it as much before. It's like almost like a real
put your foot down, like no, I have everything. I
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I'm happy alone. I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I think I think society makes women feel like they're
incomplete without a man or being in a relationship. It's like,
what's wrong with you? Are you bitter? Are you miserable?
Somebody really hurt you? You know when? Ultimately, and I
can only speak for myself, this is the happiest I've
ever been, you know, not in a relationship. I am
(19:24):
so free. I don't have to hit someone up in
the morning say good morning, good night, what are you doing,
what did you eat, where you at, where you going,
or answer those questions from somebody. I have my own
schedule with my children and when they go with their dads,
I am as free as a bird. Bethany, Right, you
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don't feel torn.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And it's funny that you say that, because I was
also saying this on this podcast that the Hoda had
said that she went on a date, right, And Jenna
was like, because there's hope, and I love Jenna and
I love Hope. But it was funny because it was
like Jenna, who's married, was sort of assigning the construct
of like that Hoda wants somebody, And Hoda was like, no,
(20:09):
it's just a night to go out and like not
be with my kids are at work, because it doesn't
have to Everything doesn't have to be something. We are
so trained for everything to have to be something. You know,
you go on a day, Oh well, when's the next day?
You can go on five days. When you get engaged,
you go, when are you getting a baby? When are
you get met? You're supposed to check the boxes of
the next thing, like the ring, the dress that, And
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I think that's just like.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
It's there's pressure on women. There's so much pressure. And
just because you want to be single doesn't mean you're bitter,
doesn't mean you're lonely, doesn't mean you're incompletely. It's it
feels so good to literally not want anyone and trust me,
men pursue me constantly. Maybe I will go and have dinner,
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but that's as far as it'll go.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's an activity too though. Sometimes you just don't want
to be home staring at the world, stepping to do.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
They're nice, nice guys, you know, but yeah, to have
someone fully in my life like that, I just don't
want it. And I am very very happy.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So I was reading about you wanting credit for things
that you participated in creatively, and then you sort of
backed out of it. I remember, like, I'm not looking
for credit, but I think that people do deserve credit.
And I think women also back off of like saying no,
like I did that. And it doesn't mean you have
to always be grabbing for credit on small things, but
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you do deserve credit if you've done something or created value.
It's your intellectual property.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So I mean, I don't need the actual credit. Just
pay me, pay me for what i've I've done. I
don't need the c I don't need my name on shit.
I don't care about the accolades of that. That's not
that's not something that like means something to me, you know.
And I think the the misconception is that people think
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that there was some type of conversation before and there
was not. I didn't find out things until later, and
I'm like, oh, so what happened was that NICKI was
an up and coming artist. I had already been famous
at the time I ran into her. She had a
little bit of buzz at the time, and I went
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to the studio studio with her on a separate occasion,
and I'm like, oh my god, this girl is so talented. Wow,
like unbelievable. So I went to Kanye at the time
and I said, you got to meet this girl, Nicki Minaj.
She's super talented. I'm telling you, like, just have her
come in the studio. Thinks she might be good to
(22:47):
be on Monster, you know, just give it a try. Wow.
Very reluctant because he hadn't heard of her at the time.
It's a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
And then she came in the studio and she she
killed it. So I don't necessarily need credit for that,
because if she was a whack artist, he would have
never used it. But because she is a writer and
a lyricist and she is who she is, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's an insane story. I mean she's Nicki Minaj. That's
a major story.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, that's crazy ethany For me, I don't care because
she did that. I put two and two together. But
ultimately she did that and they create.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You No, but that what are you talking? But that's
what an agent does or a manager. They put things together.
They're not doing it. They put it together and then
they take a piece. So yeah, but have you. And
it wasn't even something that that would have been weird
for you to say, can I have this in writing?
Because she had no leverage, like she wasn't anybody. You
weren't bringing somebody major. So it was like, right, yeah,
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that's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, i'd be that would irritate me too. And what
is well, she must have knowledge, not that it's about her,
but she must acknowledge that that happened.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, she put my name in the verse that she
that she used. Right, all credit is due to NICKI.
And I'm not just saying that to try to be
like politically correct. I didn't do it for the credit.
I didn't do it for money. I literally was never
talking about that. I was talking about the actual whole album,
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not just not that song. So right, I don't credit
or money for doing that, because I did it because
she deserved it.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And oh yeah, at the time, it sounds like you
put two people together, but when something pops off, you
feel like, you know, get me a taste, and a taste.
I get it, and not just that song. I get
what you're saying. It's just interesting that that's a major
story to put Nicki Minaj and Kanye West. That alone
is a pretty major story to me. What I really
(24:54):
relate to about you is the pandemic, like putting you
in a little bit of a because I don't I'm
a very Something that surprises people about me that they
don't really realize is the level of homebody that I
am ready to begin with, the level of insular and
difficulty it is for me to get out. And so
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the pandemic was like indulging that full on and then
it was hard to come out of that. So how
did the pandemic affect you? In your anxiety and all
the you know lamb screaming in your head.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Dealing with you know, having a newborn. And then right
after that, Bethany, the pandemic hit. So I got all
these emotions, all these hormones, you know, raising a newborn baby,
trying to breastfeed, trying not to cry, and be like,
what the fuck did I get myself into?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
In your head too, because you're in your house, you
can't even like that, Wow, I can't.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Even go and you know, think about it, even trying
to just get my body after pregnancy. You know, at
that time, everyone's like if you go outside, You're gonna die.
That's on the news. And then I'm like, well, I
don't want to go outside bring COVID into my house.
I have a newborn baby. I'm scared. You know. Maybe
(26:14):
I'll do a couple of little workouts in my front yard.
But other than that, I mean, it was a very
difficult time for me.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
How is your co parenting going.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Good? I mean, listen, I am the queen of co
parenting because I don't talk about that. I don't talk
about the past. I don't talk about what was done
to me. I don't talk about who my son's fathers
are dating, who they're with, where they at. I am
all about my children. When are you going to pick
them up, what's the schedule, When are you going to
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bring them back? Where are they going? What I need,
what you need? And that's it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Like I'm very transactional.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It's all about the children and there's nothing in yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, I'll just leave it all about transactional. So you're
spending most of your time podcasting and you're modeling, and
(27:20):
you feel like you're in a good place in your life,
like your career is where you want it to be.
Other things you want to do that you're not doing.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I'm working on a lot of beauty stuff and a
lot of a lot of cool things. So yes, soon
we can do another interview later, or maybe you can
do an interview for my podcast of course, stuff that
you're into.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I would love to. I would love to, of course.
And with the blow up, I also didn't know, see
I I don't know that much about pop culture and
things that go on, which is the girls who are
on here, they tell me a lot. I didn't know
that you were in the audience with the tailor swim
to think like you're in the middle somehow, amber Rose
is like where's Waldo? You're like in the middle. So
(28:05):
you were in the audience when Taylor Swift got you know, jolted,
jilted by Kanye And do you now think about her
crazy success and that thing that happened with the phone
call and like all of it, like this full circle situation.
What do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, I'm actually really cool with Taylor Swift. She's she
My oldest son, Sebastian is like obsessed with her. She
sent him like a whole media package and backstage passes
and he met her, you know, a couple of years
ago when he was younger really in the pictures. Yeah,
so cute, and she was so gracious and nice and
(28:44):
I had an opportunity to talk to her mom and
her family, and yeah, so it's great, that's awesome. I
think that, you know, look, we've all made mistakes, especially
in our younger years, and we can look back, we
can cring, we could be like, oh my god, I
can't believe this happened. I think that when you get
(29:05):
older and you look back and you're just like, fuck,
that was that was That was the time. That was
definitely a time and you might cringe, you might be happy,
or whatever the case may be. But I think we
all got older, and you know, I definitely have kids,
Kanye has kids. We all been through marriages and divorces
(29:25):
and you know, life, and you know, it definitely was
a big deal in pop culture at the time, but
I think everyone kind of grew up and grew out
of that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So so you're cool with Tailor and you're cool with Kanye.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm cool with Kanye. I
don't think about him, and there's be it's like I'm indifferent.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
So it's it's clean, it's nothing, got it, And then
tell just about year you have like an effort, like
a charity that you work on, or an activism about
people being like slut shamed.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, so that's my SlutWalk. I'm no longer doing my SlutWalk.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Flootwalk was originally about women that were raped and sexually assaulted.
One woman was raped on a college campus and the
cops said, well, if you weren't dressed like a slut,
you wouldn't have gotten raped, and so these girls had
essentially a SlutWalk dressed provocatively. It was just like, this
(30:26):
doesn't mean that I want you to rape me, Like
this is absolutely ridiculous. So I did that. I do
feel like my SlutWalk turned into something that I wasn't
proud of, and I didn't want to stick behind anymore
happy to talk about this, because you know, my initial
SlutWalk was everything I wanted it to be. But then
(30:49):
it turned into more modern day feminism. It just turned
into like I don't care if you've married, still going
to sleep with him because.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You got my bad bitch sleptwalk, instead of like yeah victim,
yeah all right, well thank you so much I'll let
you go, but I'm happy for you. And say hi
to your beautiful sons.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'm your dog. Frankie.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Frankie, Frankie.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, and say hi to Frankie.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I will have a great day. Bye.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Thanks,
Oh my god, Hi, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm good. I love you. I don't remember if the
last time I saw you was on my show, but
you're one of the people that I feel like I'm
friends with in my head, like I know you because
I just have good memories of you, and I can't
even I feel like I know you or we're friends.
But I've met you only a couple times. And do
you remember the first time we met? Because I know
(00:36):
you were on my show, but I feel like I
knew you before that. I might get a party or something.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Oh good, you like me. You have no idea, but
you know you know me right of course, right, like
we know each other, but I don't have I mean,
we both blacked out, honestly.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I just think that, you know, we just probably run
into so many people so often that, like, you know,
it's not like sometimes I feel bad. They're like you
remember me from this and from that, I'm like, oh
my god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I know likewise, but I like you. I've always liked you,
and I'm really excited that you're here and to chat
with you. And I'm a little like hazy today because
I woke up do you ever wake up, like, do
you get anxiety? I read it. I was reading everything
about you, and I woke up today. Sometimes it happens
(01:28):
at night, but this morning I woke up with generalized anxiety.
I like, it wasn't about anything specific. I was just like,
I'm anxious, and I feel like the world's coming to
an end and I don't understand what's happening right now.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, every single morning for me ractly. And I talk
to my friend a lot on the phone because she
kind of deals with that, but hers is at night
before she goes to bed. Yeah, so I like exhaust myself.
I like do so much during the day, so I
could just fall asleep at night right pick up in
the morning. Just my heart beats out of my chest. Wow,
(02:00):
And like I try to find a reason and there's
just no reason.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And you know you can indulge it or try to not.
And it's funny because sometimes you're tired and you drink
coffee and you know that's the worst idea, but because
it's like, but you'd want the coffee because you're craving
the coffee. And I forced myself to go in the
other room and do yoga, like just in my pajamas
onto mat and it did it did calm the lambs
down a little.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah. I do the gym five days a week. I
have to, so it makes a big difference. Yeah, and
I go straight to the gym. Wow, it that way.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So you have two you have two sons? Okay?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
How old are they or an eleven? Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Wow? Okay? How is motherhood like? Do you feel like
you have a handle on it? Do you feel guilt?
Do you feel like you're good at it? What do
you think about motherhood overall?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Honestly, I feel like that most of my anxiety probably
comes from being a mother. And funny because when I
was pregnant with my first son, I had a conversation
with Andrew Martinez and she was like, you know, you're
never gonna sleep ever again. And I think of that
from like a superficial standpoint, like no, I mean, obviously
(03:14):
my kids are going to sleep throughout the night, you know,
Like that's how I was kind of thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But she was right.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I mean I think that you think of the worst
possible scenario every single day, whether you know they're gonna
fall in the pool and they're not a god, they're
gonna fall out of a window, or like someone's gonna
hit them at school and it's gonna hurt, Like I
don't know. I think that's where most of my anxiety
(03:41):
comes from, just thinking about something happening to my kids.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's interesting mine is not. That's a piece of it.
But it's funny you say that because I was talking
to my daughter this morning and she's thirteen, she's turning
four tea and you know how like when you're wondering
if someone's cheating on you, the questions you ask, Like
I said to her today, so where did you go yesterday?
And she said, I went to, you know, my friend's house.
(04:06):
And I said, had you get there? Because she's in
the city when she's with her dad and all the
way uptown And I said, how'd you get there? And
she said, I rode my bike And I said you
took a city bike and she's like yeah, And I
said did you have wear a helmet? And she said no?
And I was like ruined my whole day in morning,
Like I it's a letter. It's a letter. It's like
(04:27):
it's like a police man following her now, like you know,
because I get it. I'm just like and you feel
like you have to say, okay, promise me this and
promise you're gonna be careful. But you remember you were
a kid, and you remember you were partying way younger
than you should be. And now we're getting into the
high school age and weep were having sex and the
drugs are and drinking, and I'm like, I don't know
(04:48):
if I'm built for this that part.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
No, I get it. I get it. And even just heartbreaks,
like you know, Sebastian's eleven, he likes girls. Now the
one girl that he liked was kind of being mean
to him, and like, you know, he was upset, and
I'm just like, oh, I got it.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't know if you saw my video last week
that people were commenting on my daughter's tank top and
it was literally just a tank top and there was
this tiny I'm out with little cherries on and she
dresses very age appropriate, she's very and I just you know,
these days, you're careful about what you'll say on social media.
You're a little more tempered, right, And I just literally
(05:25):
said to the world, I'll shut it down right now,
like no.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
And it's so funny because I'm forty now, so like
my my elementary school years were in the nineties, and
if kids fuck with me at school, my mom was
in the school yard like like, don't fuck with my daughter,
you know, but it was, oh, one hundred that was
my mom for sure, and I'll fight you, and my
mom's gonna fight your mom.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Totally one hundred percent. Think of it. I read about
you and you experienced bullying, and like, we can't wrap
them in bubble wrap. You're a tough bitch because you're
a tough bitch. So like, what's that your kids have
money that you didn't have, you know, privilege that you
didn't have, and they're going to be a little softer
than you because we want to wrap them and bubble wrap.
(06:12):
So what about that?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, it's true, but I mean I grew up in
South Philly, in the inner city, you know, I went
to a public school. So the culture was, you know,
if somebody wants to fight you, you have to fight them,
right Because I don't fight them, they will constantly bully
you for the rest of the school year. So you
got to get it out the way and you hope
(06:34):
that it's going to be a fair fight. So you
have your mom there to make sure no one jumps in,
and I just I can't imagine my kids going through that.
You know, it was like you don't think about it
at the time that it's like probably it probably traumatized
the shit out of me. Yes, but it was just
the culture. And now with my kids' school, they have
zero tolerance, like you are expelled if you fight.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Oh no, you can't say a word to somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And just with the next generation, it's like you don't
want them to fight. You don't want them to just
be outside, you know, until the street lights come on
to come in. I watch my kids like a hawk.
But also at the same time, it's like, are they
gonna be able to handle life? And life lets you
(07:21):
that are tough, right, because they're not.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I don't know, Like I kind of they will because
you'll be there and you'll adjust. It's like it's a living,
breathing organism. You still have that skill set, so you'll
give it to them to adjust to whatever happens in
this landscape. I think. You know, so what are you
doing now? Like what's if someone were on a plane
next to you and said, what's your career? Like what
(07:46):
are you working on? The most are you modeling actings,
like what are you doing? Mostly?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, So I just got the cover of Galore so
that's coming out soon. So I'm still I'm still doing
you know, modeling. And obviously my podcast, I hope they're
not listening with Amber Rose and talk about like taboo
topics and I rest Tyson on. I had Lucian Greaves,
(08:13):
the head of the Satanic Temple on and I just,
you know, I'm just curious. I just want to know
the ins and outs of like taboo things, and so
that's pretty much what my podcast is about.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, it's really fun. It's really love that. I had
a girl come on. She was a part of a
cult in Utah. She told her story. I had a
mortician on there, which is surprisingly you think you know,
but you have no idea, like that world is light
and I think some people that's why I named it.
(08:48):
I hope they're not listening, because there are some things
that you might not want to know when it comes
to death, you know, rolls and cremation and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So that's very podcasting though, that's very neat. I like that,
it's like very niche and who's vetting the guests. It's
your natural curiosity or a combination between you and your producers.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah. So I sit with them and I just tell
them things that I'm into, and like they, you know,
develop a list and we go through the list, and
I'm like, yes, I want to talk to her. I
want to talk to him. You know. Another guy, Terry Lovelace,
he was abducted by aliens in nineteen seventy nine. He
worked in the Air Force, and his story is absolutely crazy.
(09:32):
He was up on the ship. He saw a pink alien,
a pink alien that was kind of like in charge
of everything. I know, it sounds so crazy, but when
he tells the story, it's unbelievable. There was mantis aliens
kind of working on him. They were like a part
of the medical fields within the ship. It's crazy because
(09:55):
he just came out with his story in twenty eighteen,
because all these years he was just like, no one
is this sounds unbelievable, No one believe me. It just
sounds so crazy. And he finally was just like, you know,
I'm older, now, this is what happened to me. And
he had like over four thousand people reach out and
(10:15):
they were telling their stories and a lot of things
add crazy. Yeah, all from all over the world, and
so it's crazy. I don't know, it was kind of cool.
I had a guy on there that talked to people
that had near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So it's I like the I like the show. It's
very that's very unique, and I love I love that.
So are you a sexual person or you've just utilized
(10:55):
sexuality as a tool.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Not I would say not at all, because I've a
lot of people aren't sexual, being most people are not asexual.
I'm definitely not. I'm more conservative. Actually, I've always been
conservative since I was young, and I think coming out
on the scene, I was kind of thrown into this
sex spot type of girl. And so when I was
(11:21):
kind of out on my own without my first relationship,
that kind of like brought me to the light. That's
what they wanted from me. And so I feel like,
you know, even way into it, yeah, well, even when
I would try to go against the grain, and you know,
I would have like producers saying, Okay, so we want
to do this video for MTV and we want you
(11:44):
at the pool with a bikini on, you know, martini
in your hand, and I'm like, I'm so not her,
Like I'm so not and I get what I come
off as, but I'm so not her and they're like, oh, well,
I guess we don't want to do it then. So
it was more so like I've gotten to survival mode.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And how does the market decide what the product? The
market said, this is what the product is. And that's
let me. Well, when you say your first you're talking
about Kanye, So that was your first you're saying public
relationship or your first relationship.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That was my first relationship with the celebrity ever, but
also in the public eye, and so you know, here's
a lot about fashion and like he always wanted me
to dress very sexy, and you know, I was young
at the time, and I'm like, okay, you know that,
and that's you know, I was still an adult, so
(12:42):
obviously I made that decision to say yes or no whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, at what age of an adult because that's you know,
I don't think a twenty How old are you twenty five? Okay?
So on the verge of being an adult like not,
you know still, and it depends on where you were
in your journey, how immature you.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Are when you're forty, you can look at twenty five
and say I was a baby and I didn't know shit,
you know, But when five, you're like, I'm grown, I
know everything and you don't. You don't know anything besides that,
you know I did. I kind of got pigeon held
into this, this sexy type of girl. And it's funny
(13:18):
because I just came across an Ink magazine cover that
someone tagged me in on Instagram and it says the
Sex Issue, and I cringed because it just brought me
back to a time where it was like I remember
fighting so hard two to not be that person, and
no one would let me. You know, They're like, oh, well,
(13:41):
you want the cover with the cover or not because
it's a sex issue and we want to give it
to you. You know you're gonna make money, you know,
or not?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So I felly, Yeah, I fully, I fully get that.
Yeah people, And it's and it's an easy muscle because
you know how to do that. And do you feel
like you were amuse or was it? Was there any
part of it that was flattering? Because I feel like
a lot of your persona is defined by men. And
(14:12):
it's funny. There's this girl on TikTok that talks about
which person in the relationship is a black cat and
which is a golden retriever, and You're you seem like
you're always the black cat. You have these guys coveting you,
and like it's that black cat dynamic that they that
they love and is it? Was it flattering? Was it
intoxicating to be so desired?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And like I definitely went into it with a delusional
mind state that like people actually cared about me. And
again I can look back and be like, he probably
didn't care, and that's no one specific. But I went
in with genuine feelings. And every person I've dated and
(14:54):
you know, kind of dealt with it was always genuine
from my side. Let's just say that you so, I
I'm just a down home South Philly girl. It's hard
for me to look at myself as like amuse, although
I'm sure I was too quite aple, but yeah, I
(15:14):
just I just like to think that I'm just like
a down home Philly girl and from the outside looking in,
it looks like something else, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, I don't relate to the celebrity aspect because I've
never dated or been attracted to celebrities, but I do
relate to the like being chosen and you're sort of
not driving, You're like a passenger in the car, and
then all of a sudden you're in some destination and
you're like, I don't know what, I didn't see the
sign on this bus, and like why did I get in?
It seemed like an interesting thing to do. And then
(15:44):
you're years later and you're on the wrong fucking bus.
So I get and I get that because while you know,
I'm a supermodel, I have been that black cat my
whole life too. So my question is, do you feel
like you haven't been driving, like people are choosing you?
You go on the rockde and then you know because
(16:07):
and you're also with many celebrity men, so that's definitely
a journey, and like have you intervened in that? Are
you still doing that? Like what is that about?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, I don't think it's many. I think it's probably
about four or five throughout fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Okay, but that's still a lot, I think.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
No, guys, it's very different from who I've actually been
with and dated. So as far as media goes, if
I'm in the same restaurant as someone, I'm dating them.
It caught you know, at the a photographer is like, hey,
can we get a picture of you and so and so,
And I'm like, sure, I'm with them as well. So
(16:47):
h that added up over the years because there's no
handbook to tell you how to be a celebrity. I've
always been very gracious for people that wanted to take
pictures with me, or photographers that wanted to take pictures
of me. I thought that was just the right thing
to do. And so over time it was like Amber's
messing with this guy, Amber's messing with that guy, Amberzo
and this Ambras and that. So all of my relationships,
(17:11):
I like to be monogamous with one person, and I've
never just been out fucking guys, although it looks like
I have plenty of male friends. And I would even say, honestly,
the past two months they said that I'm fucking with
Chris Rock, I'm fucking with the kid CJ. Strout that's
(17:33):
twenty two years old. He gave me a ride home.
I kind of got stuck at this charity softball game.
It's a long story. You know. Things like that add
up over time, and people are like, God, this girl's
fucking everyone you know, and so that just became my life,
and it did take a toll on my mental health
(17:56):
because you know, then I get on Twitter and I
get on Instagram, I'm like, hey, guys, this isn't true.
And all they say is, yes, it is. You're a liar,
you're a whore, you fuck everybody, blah blah blah. And
so then I just got to the point where it
was like, I'll be a whore then sure, whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That's you said that. It's not like you're Celli Bate,
but you're not interested in a relationship, like you are
defined about the fact that you do not want to
be in a relationship. And I think that's really interesting
because I was hearing Kelly Clarkson on her show when
asked by Hoda, I think it was you know, do
you want to date? And she was like, absolutely not.
(18:36):
I have my kids, I have my job. She just
went through it. She's still going through a gnarly divorce,
which no one understands better than I do. And like
she's like, I'm good. And Drew Barrymore gives a little
bit of that too. And I just have been hearing
that from different women in entertainment that we haven't heard
it as much before. It's like almost like a real
put your foot down, like no, I have everything. I
(19:00):
I'm happy alone. I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I think I think society makes women feel like they're
incomplete without a man or being in a relationship. It's like,
what's wrong with you? Are you bitter? Are you miserable?
Somebody really hurt you? You know when? Ultimately, and I
can only speak for myself, this is the happiest I've
ever been, you know, not in a relationship. I am
(19:24):
so free. I don't have to hit someone up in
the morning say good morning, good night, what are you doing,
what did you eat, where you at, where you going,
or answer those questions from somebody. I have my own
schedule with my children and when they go with their dads,
I am as free as a bird. Bethany, Right, you
(19:44):
don't feel torn.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And it's funny that you say that, because I was
also saying this on this podcast that the Hoda had
said that she went on a date, right, And Jenna
was like, because there's hope, and I love Jenna and
I love Hope. But it was funny because it was
like Jenna, who's married, was sort of assigning the construct
of like that Hoda wants somebody, And Hoda was like, no,
(20:09):
it's just a night to go out and like not
be with my kids are at work, because it doesn't
have to Everything doesn't have to be something. We are
so trained for everything to have to be something. You know,
you go on a day, Oh well, when's the next day?
You can go on five days. When you get engaged,
you go, when are you getting a baby? When are
you get met? You're supposed to check the boxes of
the next thing, like the ring, the dress that, And
(20:31):
I think that's just like.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
It's there's pressure on women. There's so much pressure. And
just because you want to be single doesn't mean you're bitter,
doesn't mean you're lonely, doesn't mean you're incompletely. It's it
feels so good to literally not want anyone and trust me,
men pursue me constantly. Maybe I will go and have dinner,
(20:55):
but that's as far as it'll go.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's an activity too though. Sometimes you just don't want
to be home staring at the world, stepping to do.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
They're nice, nice guys, you know, but yeah, to have
someone fully in my life like that, I just don't
want it. And I am very very happy.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So I was reading about you wanting credit for things
that you participated in creatively, and then you sort of
backed out of it. I remember, like, I'm not looking
for credit, but I think that people do deserve credit.
And I think women also back off of like saying no,
like I did that. And it doesn't mean you have
to always be grabbing for credit on small things, but
(21:37):
you do deserve credit if you've done something or created value.
It's your intellectual property.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So I mean, I don't need the actual credit. Just
pay me, pay me for what i've I've done. I
don't need the c I don't need my name on shit.
I don't care about the accolades of that. That's not
that's not something that like means something to me, you know.
And I think the the misconception is that people think
(22:04):
that there was some type of conversation before and there
was not. I didn't find out things until later, and
I'm like, oh, so what happened was that NICKI was
an up and coming artist. I had already been famous
at the time I ran into her. She had a
little bit of buzz at the time, and I went
(22:25):
to the studio studio with her on a separate occasion,
and I'm like, oh my god, this girl is so talented. Wow,
like unbelievable. So I went to Kanye at the time
and I said, you got to meet this girl, Nicki Minaj.
She's super talented. I'm telling you, like, just have her
come in the studio. Thinks she might be good to
(22:47):
be on Monster, you know, just give it a try. Wow.
Very reluctant because he hadn't heard of her at the time.
It's a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
And then she came in the studio and she she
killed it. So I don't necessarily need credit for that,
because if she was a whack artist, he would have
never used it. But because she is a writer and
a lyricist and she is who she is, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's an insane story. I mean she's Nicki Minaj. That's
a major story.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, that's crazy ethany For me, I don't care because
she did that. I put two and two together. But
ultimately she did that and they create.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You No, but that what are you talking? But that's
what an agent does or a manager. They put things together.
They're not doing it. They put it together and then
they take a piece. So yeah, but have you. And
it wasn't even something that that would have been weird
for you to say, can I have this in writing?
Because she had no leverage, like she wasn't anybody. You
weren't bringing somebody major. So it was like, right, yeah,
(23:53):
that's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, i'd be that would irritate me too. And what
is well, she must have knowledge, not that it's about her,
but she must acknowledge that that happened.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, she put my name in the verse that she
that she used. Right, all credit is due to NICKI.
And I'm not just saying that to try to be
like politically correct. I didn't do it for the credit.
I didn't do it for money. I literally was never
talking about that. I was talking about the actual whole album,
(24:26):
not just not that song. So right, I don't credit
or money for doing that, because I did it because
she deserved it.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And oh yeah, at the time, it sounds like you
put two people together, but when something pops off, you
feel like, you know, get me a taste, and a taste.
I get it, and not just that song. I get
what you're saying. It's just interesting that that's a major
story to put Nicki Minaj and Kanye West. That alone
is a pretty major story to me. What I really
(24:54):
relate to about you is the pandemic, like putting you
in a little bit of a because I don't I'm
a very Something that surprises people about me that they
don't really realize is the level of homebody that I
am ready to begin with, the level of insular and
difficulty it is for me to get out. And so
(25:15):
the pandemic was like indulging that full on and then
it was hard to come out of that. So how
did the pandemic affect you? In your anxiety and all
the you know lamb screaming in your head.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Dealing with you know, having a newborn. And then right
after that, Bethany, the pandemic hit. So I got all
these emotions, all these hormones, you know, raising a newborn baby,
trying to breastfeed, trying not to cry, and be like,
what the fuck did I get myself into?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
In your head too, because you're in your house, you
can't even like that, Wow, I can't.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Even go and you know, think about it, even trying
to just get my body after pregnancy. You know, at
that time, everyone's like if you go outside, You're gonna die.
That's on the news. And then I'm like, well, I
don't want to go outside bring COVID into my house.
I have a newborn baby. I'm scared. You know. Maybe
(26:14):
I'll do a couple of little workouts in my front yard.
But other than that, I mean, it was a very
difficult time for me.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
How is your co parenting going.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Good? I mean, listen, I am the queen of co
parenting because I don't talk about that. I don't talk
about the past. I don't talk about what was done
to me. I don't talk about who my son's fathers
are dating, who they're with, where they at. I am
all about my children. When are you going to pick
them up, what's the schedule, When are you going to
(26:47):
bring them back? Where are they going? What I need,
what you need? And that's it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Like I'm very transactional.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It's all about the children and there's nothing in yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, I'll just leave it all about transactional. So you're
spending most of your time podcasting and you're modeling, and
(27:20):
you feel like you're in a good place in your life,
like your career is where you want it to be.
Other things you want to do that you're not doing.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I'm working on a lot of beauty stuff and a
lot of a lot of cool things. So yes, soon
we can do another interview later, or maybe you can
do an interview for my podcast of course, stuff that
you're into.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I would love to. I would love to, of course.
And with the blow up, I also didn't know, see
I I don't know that much about pop culture and
things that go on, which is the girls who are
on here, they tell me a lot. I didn't know
that you were in the audience with the tailor swim
to think like you're in the middle somehow, amber Rose
is like where's Waldo? You're like in the middle. So
(28:05):
you were in the audience when Taylor Swift got you know, jolted,
jilted by Kanye And do you now think about her
crazy success and that thing that happened with the phone
call and like all of it, like this full circle situation.
What do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, I'm actually really cool with Taylor Swift. She's she
My oldest son, Sebastian is like obsessed with her. She
sent him like a whole media package and backstage passes
and he met her, you know, a couple of years
ago when he was younger really in the pictures. Yeah,
so cute, and she was so gracious and nice and
(28:44):
I had an opportunity to talk to her mom and
her family, and yeah, so it's great, that's awesome. I
think that, you know, look, we've all made mistakes, especially
in our younger years, and we can look back, we
can cring, we could be like, oh my god, I
can't believe this happened. I think that when you get
(29:05):
older and you look back and you're just like, fuck,
that was that was That was the time. That was
definitely a time and you might cringe, you might be happy,
or whatever the case may be. But I think we
all got older, and you know, I definitely have kids,
Kanye has kids. We all been through marriages and divorces
(29:25):
and you know, life, and you know, it definitely was
a big deal in pop culture at the time, but
I think everyone kind of grew up and grew out
of that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So so you're cool with Tailor and you're cool with Kanye.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm cool with Kanye. I
don't think about him, and there's be it's like I'm indifferent.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
So it's it's clean, it's nothing, got it, And then
tell just about year you have like an effort, like
a charity that you work on, or an activism about
people being like slut shamed.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, so that's my SlutWalk. I'm no longer doing my SlutWalk.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Flootwalk was originally about women that were raped and sexually assaulted.
One woman was raped on a college campus and the
cops said, well, if you weren't dressed like a slut,
you wouldn't have gotten raped, and so these girls had
essentially a SlutWalk dressed provocatively. It was just like, this
(30:26):
doesn't mean that I want you to rape me, Like
this is absolutely ridiculous. So I did that. I do
feel like my SlutWalk turned into something that I wasn't
proud of, and I didn't want to stick behind anymore
happy to talk about this, because you know, my initial
SlutWalk was everything I wanted it to be. But then
(30:49):
it turned into more modern day feminism. It just turned
into like I don't care if you've married, still going
to sleep with him because.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You got my bad bitch sleptwalk, instead of like yeah victim,
yeah all right, well thank you so much I'll let
you go, but I'm happy for you. And say hi
to your beautiful sons.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'm your dog. Frankie.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Frankie, Frankie.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, and say hi to Frankie.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I will have a great day. Bye.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Thanks,
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