September 5, 2025 • 18 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi, Hi, how are you. It's been so long.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I know, I was excited. I feel so big time.
When I have certain people on, it's weird. I can't
explain it because usually I'm just like ranting talking about
bullshit like tuna fish. And then there's someone that I'm
like excited about because I only swear in my life.
I only have people on when i'm excited about them.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I'm excited to talk to you. I'm excited to
have a big talk. I feel like so much has
changed for both of us and to be last met
and like you are like now the TikToker, the TikToker,
Like you're moving and you're just like in this amazing
era and you're just like killing it and you're so
I mean, I know social media doesn't tell the whole truth,
but you seem very inflow and very happy right.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Now in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
It's very cool to see.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
No, let's do our perspectives about each other and then
let's correct them.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Let's do that. That's fun.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Okay, So okay, first of all, I don't think I
knew last time it was Christina Najar that that's your name.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
That's my real name. Yes, and I gave myself to
Tanks the nickname when I was like twelve long sto oh, I.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Did know that.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I do remember that. I actually do remember. I forgot that.
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Wait a second, So who calls you Christina? Like my
parents and that's kind of it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
My parents and a few friends maybe from from high school,
but mostly everybody calls me thinks.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Right, and also like you kind of don't have a
last name, which is like me, and that's very cool.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It's kind of cool. Yeah, it's easy, and it's like,
you know, it works. It's easy. It's four letters, you know,
one and done.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
If someone meets you on an airplane, all right, so
you meet like a really successful like mobil baller guy
who's like a big player but doesn't know anything about
this world, and like you're smart in your.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Edge Justina all the way, I'm like, Hi, I'm Christina.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Okay, but like then, even more, what do you do
for a living? Now You're gonna be like.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I'm an influencause he's gonna think you're some thought dope.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It's tough and I don't know at me, I'm in.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
My fifties, can you imagine me.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Because you're like, I'm a TikToker. They're like what And
by the way, I'm not ashamed, and I know you
aren't either of being an influencer whatsoever. I love it
and I think it's amazing, but there is some judgment
if people don't live in this world and they don't know,
there are preconceived notions. So I say, like, I have
a radio show first, because I feel like if they
don't live in the world, it's true and I can
(02:31):
go in. And then I'm like, and I do a
little influencing on the side, you know, kind of interest
edge them into it, versus just come out and be
like I talked to my phone for eight hours a day.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well no, but it's more that, like saying influencer.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's even worse at your age because it sounds very like,
of course you are you want to buy like anel bag? Yes,
thirty something years old, you want me to take you
to for me? It sounds insane, But it's different.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's not like it's interesting. It's like, why what do
you mean you're a TikToker? Like that's so cool, very weird. Yeah, no,
it's cool, but it's Christina to guys. Okay, so Christina,
two guys. So how has it evolved since last time?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So you've had ebbs, You've had flows, You've had cancelations,
you've popped off, you know, like what's real, what's not real? Like,
tell me about the state of the union, address of
this career where you are, what you've learned, and.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Like how it's going.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's funny. It's really a different job than I thought
it was. And there's so much more ebbing and flowing
than I thought. And you kind of have to like
take your lumps and you kind of have to ride
the wave through it and survive it and be like, Okay,
I didn't die. Like it was bad, but I didn't die,
and I'm still here and I still you know, I'm
still creating things and it's okay. So I've been an
(03:42):
influencer for five years now. I started in COVID. It's
twenty twenty five, coming up. Five years. I think that
I'm sort of ready to start a new era of
my career, leaning more heavily into bigger projects like the
book and you know, it's being made into a TV
show and I'm an executive producer and these are things
that really interest me because I still love to share online,
(04:03):
but I'm just kind of looking to do bigger.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Deeper, deeper.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, and I wish that I was more business minded
like you, like, trust me, I think for thirty minutes
a day, what's my skinny girl? Like, I really do think,
because I would love to do a project of that size,
but I'm not. It's just not like that natural to
me business. I'm more of like a, Oh I have
an idea for a movie. Oh, I have an idea
for a show. I have an idea for a book.
So that's what I'm leaning into. I'm trying to lean
(04:28):
into what I'm good at, and we'll see how it goes.
How old are you thirty four?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, it's still very very I mean I didn't become
I was broke until I was late thirties, and it
all sort of like comes together.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It's case law and so like.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You're just like sort of I took a bartending class
after college, and I went to acting and I then
produced large scale events where like the Emmys the Grammys,
and would coordinate all the food and beverage and the
lighting and the sound. All these things have somehow come
into my house renovation projects.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
My ability to pull things to together.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I produce things like it's sort of all like converges
and then it gets concentrated, but you can sort of
be nimble and shift it. Like I wasn't planning any
of this a couple of years ago, like this was.
I was planning towards sort of semi retiring, just doing
what I wanted. This is comp I was talking to
my best friends since high school last night because we
were talking about hacks, and.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I'm like, is that not me? In twenty years?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So I'm gonna be in a rollers voice, like negotiating
for a figurine in some store, But it actually isn't
me because I'm not like her or Joan Rivers, where
I define my life by the calendar and how full
it is. And I said, when the tables go cold,
I'm walking out, like I'm totally cool. I'm only doing
this because the tables are hot.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
No, you're doing it because it's working. It's fun and
like you're doing it and that's why it works. I
think it's like it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
That's why it keeps working is because you're like you
could take it or leave it. You're just exactly exactly,
and like that shows and like when people need it
too much, you can tell and people are like, eh, yeah,
So I think that's why it's worked and it's very cool.
(06:02):
Like I think about you all the time. I think
about how you know it came together for you. I
think about having your daughter all of that, Like it
does inspire me and I think about it. I'm always like,
last time I did your pod, you were like, oh,
You've still got so much time, And I'm like, I
hope she tells me that again, because I feel it's
a clock sticken.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
No beyond beyond time. But also I feel like you
are there's a more relaxedness about you too. It feels
like you popped off. It was the biggest thing in
the entire universe. You leveled out.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You had like a rough moment which I messaged you about.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, it seems like you're more comfortable in your skin.
Like you're just like this is what this is and
it doesn't have to I don't know if they hit
a home run every day, but I and I could
get get banged up, but like we're here, like you said,
the store is going to open every day, and this
is like it just doesn't seem it's just an energy
and I could be totally wrong. You're just like, this
(06:53):
is what I want to talk about. This is what
I find interesting. As niche as it is. I'm not
forcing it, I'm not pushing it.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, yeah, totally. It just takes some time. And like, honestly,
in a weird way, like being canceled did kind of
level me out because I was so like I was
like breathing, like the la I needed everything. I needed
to go to every party. I was obsessed, I was
missing you know. It was just like it felt like
if it went away, I would die. And it did
(07:19):
go away for a couple months, and I like learned
who my real friends are and I really learned how
that all work. And then I came back and I
was like, you know, you kind of recalibrate and you
figure out what matters and you figure out how it goes,
and it's like it is a job at the end
of the day. It's like before I think, I was
like this is I breathe it. It's my life, Like
(07:40):
my phone is first like everything for the story and
now I'm like, it's a job. I love my followers
very much, I love making content for them, but at
the end of the day, the Internet, it's a job
and I'm going to do what I am going to
do and if people like it, that's great, and if not,
then that's okay too.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I just thought that you said that it leveled you
out because you didn't really know that the wolves are
always at the end of the bed.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I was talking to Tim dill in the Comedian about
this last night. Because I have no I really don't
have fear, but I'm not going to jump on the
sun for no reason. I've said things in my career
that like I could have said another way, like it
literally didn't need to be said, or just say it
a different way, or asked the question to other people.
It's nothing to do with fear. It's just like it
wasn't my hill to die, who cared? But the thing
(08:39):
that I said that could cause me so much problems?
And I fly very close to the sun, Like there's
something about politics I want to talk about today, and
like I'm thinking my team and be like, what the
fuck do you need to be doing? That now, but
like whatever, fuck it, I want to do it, so
I try to fly close. But I don't need to
be on the sun. But if things are going too well,
and it's not that I'm like negative or bet against myself,
I don't. I get uncomfortable the way that you described
(09:02):
what you're going on in LA that sounds to me
like being on a very dangerous role, Clausch, I don't
like it. I was just invited to the derby to
do everything properly the whole entire weekend, and I grew
up going to the races, but like had to scrounge
for to get things, and like now it's like of
course like elite and VIP. I don't like it when
it's too much and too much of me, and when
it's too good and too liked, like I don't like it.
(09:24):
I'm a comfortable because the wolves are at the fucking
end of the bed.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, there's that phrase where it's like the devil comes
for you at your highest moment, and it's like true,
it's like you're riding high, like everything feels amazing, and
then it's like boom, and it's like you kind of
have to not be always looking over your shoulder, but
like to your point, you kind of have to know
it's there and just be like okay, like it is
what it is. And that's why you need to do
exactly what you want. You need to pick the fights
(09:48):
you want to fight and leave the shit that doesn't matter.
But you're fearless, Like I think about you all the time,
like in your comments, like you're so funny. You just
talk right back to people and you're just like you
don't give a shit. You're just like you're like you'll
or whatever. And I'm like, yes, like I'm dying for
it because you don't care. And and by the way,
that's why this is awkward. You're still here, no, Yeah,
because because very few people are just like, yeah, like
(10:12):
this is what I think, and it's okay to talk
about these things. We're all gonna be okay. We're very
much in a time where it's like people don't even
say their opinion anymore, which is why I think we've
gotten to this place, by the way, this extreme place
where everyone's like can't even have a conversation without qualifying
sixty things exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That's so, and it's okay, and that's okay. Exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You know, you can say like I don't like this
TV show. It's all right, and people are like, but
why did you do it? Right? Sometimes you just don't
like something. And by the way, I think that we
were all a lot happier when we were living in
a time when you could say I like that, that's
not for me whatever. Now we kind of find a
weird moralizing thing. But behind everything we can't. We don't
(10:56):
think it's proper to just say I actually don't like
that actor. He's not for me. Now, I was like, well,
you know, twenty years ago he said this and he
had a dog that you know, blah blah blah, and
exactly just say you don't like him.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's okay, Yeah, but it's couched in such bullshit because
we're supposed to use your voice.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You have a voice to use it. Shut the fuck up.
You can't use your voice. You have to be muzzled.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yes, And the thing is, there was a movie years
ago Sandra Bullock's speed when she had to keep the
bus at fifty five miles an hour, couldn't go higher
or lower, everyone would die. And that's kind of a
little bit what it's like meaning when you go through
something like a cancelation or something is really bad. I
don't know who I said this to, but you have
to hold on to the steering, but you cannot hold
on too tight.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But you cannot let go right.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You can't like go hide under a rock, but you
can't like go hard in the paint.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
You're kind of just like.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You kind of just have to go through it. You
kind of just have to go through. And by the way,
when I was canceled, I thought, like all the people
that I was jealous of, I thought, they'll never get canceled,
They'll never get canceled. I made this little list in
my mind. You know, every single one of them has
been through some cancelationship. Yes, yes, nobody's safe. They're gonna
find something. They're gonna keep fucking deeper.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
See, you know it's cancelation is so canceled.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Cancelation is fucking canceled. Okay, but this is the bigger moment.
The amount you learned through something negative is so much
more valuable then like you need Like it's unbelievable. It's
something that I was just dealing with my daughter and
like it will define her. And it's like I thrive
on how to deal with something in a crisis with
all this relief work and all this stuff. Like I'm
(12:29):
just good in a crisis and I don't want to
have that experience.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Believe me.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's not like I'm saying like I'm a I have
a death wish. I'm saying, but like when it clicks in,
it's a puzzle and I can always figure out how
to like navigate it, how to like drive on that road.
And it is a skill set and it's so helpful
for things in life that really matter, family matters, for
financial matters, health matters, whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Like these things.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Are like you have to take a de breath, pay
attention to how you're navigating somebody, because there are many
ways to go and they all sometimes see my good ideas.
You think this, you think that the other thing, But
like I pride myself on being like making that right decision,
and that's because of a series of you know, difficult things.
So that's what's really good. Then you be like fuck it, Nope,
this is bad. We're all in fucking mode. Now let's go. Yeah,
(13:16):
what is the basis of what you were discussing over
all life.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
You know, a lot of what I talk about is
how to navigate this new era that we're going through,
navigate dating as best I can.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Again, I'm not an expert. I just have found a way.
What is that There is no expert. There is no
there's literally no expert.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
But I have like the little tips and tricks to
like not make yourself go crazy, and and and then
also I just give like advice and people are like,
what qualifies you. I'm going to tell you something. Common
sense is not that common. I think that people call
my radio show because they think generally I have pretty
good manners and I can kind of figure out we
can do you have a good guation, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
And you could also have a good communication start.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I had wrote a book called Naturally Thin, and my
ex was like, you need to go become a nutritionist
to write this book. I'm like, no, I'm a person
that food noise exactly. I invented the term food noise
and people were battling me in my own comments about
food is like, yeah, hi, I'm the first person ever
used it. It was when the dinosaurs walkfy or some
other person regurgitated it. So shut the fuck up and
sit down. But the point was I wasn't a nutritionist.
(14:14):
I was a person that was noisy about it. What
d what not to eat?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I was good? I was bad, Like yeah, binged. I
So you're that of dating.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Okay, So all right, so let's get into the book
and the TV show and wow.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah it's fun. It's called Hotter in the Hamptons said
in one of your favorite places. It's a spicy romance novel.
It's an easy beach read. It's about an influencer who
has a spicy summer flaning. I did it because I
wanted to do something creative. I wanted to do something
that was like, I mean, there's parts of it in
there that are mee because obviously it's an influencer about
(14:59):
why not make her influencer? But it's creative, it's fun,
it's spicy. A lot of it is influenced by my
followers and the questions they've asked me. They a lot
of them have been like, I watch lesbian porn? Is
that normal? And I'm like, yeah, it's normal. A lot
of women have that fantasy, like of course, really, yeah,
So it was kind of inspired by my followers asking
me that and because she has a summer flame with
(15:22):
a woman.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And wow, Hotter in the Hampton's is the best name, yes,
ever And I wanted it to be like rich Mom
location like I had.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I have this whole idea for a series where each
book is going to be set in a new place.
That's all this.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I want to be in it.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, so I want to be in it.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I want to be in an episode.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I'm going to write you into the next one for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And it's going, Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Okay, so Hotter in the Hampton's And who's doing the
TV show and what's happening?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
This is so exciting, so that you're going to be
a miss.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
No, I'm going to be an executive producer though, which
is so exciting. My first time Foster sisters are in it. No,
they bought the rights, so they're going to make it
into a TV show. Yeah, So I'm so excited. I
can't believe it. I'm so like they are the moment.
They are so smart. I worshiped them. I thought their
show was ten out of ten. Last year, Nobody Wants
This was so good.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And yeah, everyone was talking about Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So they I mean I still can't believe it, Like
I have the most fitting them, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But it totally tracks and it's a perfect trajectory for you.
Like this is like a real like Sex and the
City thing. It's totally on brand. Like the one who
was on the Housewives who did the Sex and the City.
I can't remember her name, you know she was on this, Candace.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh yeah, Candace ye? Yeah yeah right yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
So wait a second, So what happened?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You have an agent, and your agent packaged it and
pitched it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Is that how it happened.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, when we announced the book, we sent it to
a bunch of different producers, and I couldn't believe it
that they wanted it and that they were doing it.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
You had this idea when writing the book. You had
the idea to write a book and make it a
TV show.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, I thought, like I thought maybe, I mean, it
was a pipe dream. I had no idea what actually happen.
I was like, oh, I'll just see how it goes.
But I'm really thrilled beyond and I'm excited to just
do like this bigger project and work on something you
know that's going to take a year plus. It's like
I'm used to making videos that are made in five
minutes and posted immediately, so it's.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, yes, but you're very like smart and thorough and
like that's very that's like more meat on the bone.
How many episodes? And did it start shooting? And where's
it going to live?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
We're talking to writers now. I'm loving every second because
it's just like it's so cool to be in these meetings.
It's so cool to have a seat at the table
and to just hear how it works. And it's really
like feeding me. I feel like I was ready for
like the next thing, and it's it's really doing that
for me. So I'm very excited.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
But it's early, very on brand for you. It's very
very good. And the good news is that you can
use the shitty things that happen in the in the
book like it could.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Everything is content like Norah Efron.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Like of course that she gets canceled in the book obviously, So.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, that's I got.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Now. I got to read it when I'm hot in
the Hamptons because I remember that you were and you
have to have your tabasco salad dressing.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, okay, we have to hang out this summer at
least once we have to get drunk in the Hamdas together.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
One hundred percent you're off alcohol, but you're going to know.
I'm back on but not crazy and I'm mean during
my saki era.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
We could talk about it later. The Lord's work.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I love saki.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I'm going to make saki mainstream.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Just wait, I love that. Just wait.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I've decided, and if I decided, it's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
If you decide, then it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
If I decide that it's going to be the new
chicken salad, then it's going to be the new chicken salad,
Hi, Hi, how are you. It's been so long.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I know, I was excited. I feel so big time.
When I have certain people on, it's weird. I can't
explain it because usually I'm just like ranting talking about
bullshit like tuna fish. And then there's someone that I'm
like excited about because I only swear in my life.
I only have people on when i'm excited about them.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I'm excited to talk to you. I'm excited to
have a big talk. I feel like so much has
changed for both of us and to be last met
and like you are like now the TikToker, the TikToker,
Like you're moving and you're just like in this amazing
era and you're just like killing it and you're so
I mean, I know social media doesn't tell the whole truth,
but you seem very inflow and very happy right.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Now in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
It's very cool to see.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
No, let's do our perspectives about each other and then
let's correct them.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Let's do that. That's fun.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Okay, So okay, first of all, I don't think I
knew last time it was Christina Najar that that's your name.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
That's my real name. Yes, and I gave myself to
Tanks the nickname when I was like twelve long sto oh, I.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Did know that.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I do remember that. I actually do remember. I forgot that.
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Wait a second, So who calls you Christina? Like my
parents and that's kind of it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
My parents and a few friends maybe from from high school,
but mostly everybody calls me thinks.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Right, and also like you kind of don't have a
last name, which is like me, and that's very cool.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It's kind of cool. Yeah, it's easy, and it's like,
you know, it works. It's easy. It's four letters, you know,
one and done.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
If someone meets you on an airplane, all right, so
you meet like a really successful like mobil baller guy
who's like a big player but doesn't know anything about
this world, and like you're smart in your.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Edge Justina all the way, I'm like, Hi, I'm Christina.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Okay, but like then, even more, what do you do
for a living? Now You're gonna be like.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I'm an influencause he's gonna think you're some thought dope.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It's tough and I don't know at me, I'm in.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
My fifties, can you imagine me.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Because you're like, I'm a TikToker. They're like what And
by the way, I'm not ashamed, and I know you
aren't either of being an influencer whatsoever. I love it
and I think it's amazing, but there is some judgment
if people don't live in this world and they don't know,
there are preconceived notions. So I say, like, I have
a radio show first, because I feel like if they
don't live in the world, it's true and I can
(02:31):
go in. And then I'm like, and I do a
little influencing on the side, you know, kind of interest
edge them into it, versus just come out and be
like I talked to my phone for eight hours a day.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well no, but it's more that, like saying influencer.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's even worse at your age because it sounds very like,
of course you are you want to buy like anel bag? Yes,
thirty something years old, you want me to take you
to for me? It sounds insane, But it's different.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's not like it's interesting. It's like, why what do
you mean you're a TikToker? Like that's so cool, very weird. Yeah, no,
it's cool, but it's Christina to guys. Okay, so Christina,
two guys. So how has it evolved since last time?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So you've had ebbs, You've had flows, You've had cancelations,
you've popped off, you know, like what's real, what's not real? Like,
tell me about the state of the union, address of
this career where you are, what you've learned, and.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Like how it's going.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's funny. It's really a different job than I thought
it was. And there's so much more ebbing and flowing
than I thought. And you kind of have to like
take your lumps and you kind of have to ride
the wave through it and survive it and be like, Okay,
I didn't die. Like it was bad, but I didn't die,
and I'm still here and I still you know, I'm
still creating things and it's okay. So I've been an
(03:42):
influencer for five years now. I started in COVID. It's
twenty twenty five, coming up. Five years. I think that
I'm sort of ready to start a new era of
my career, leaning more heavily into bigger projects like the
book and you know, it's being made into a TV
show and I'm an executive producer and these are things
that really interest me because I still love to share online,
(04:03):
but I'm just kind of looking to do bigger.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Deeper, deeper.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, and I wish that I was more business minded
like you, like, trust me, I think for thirty minutes
a day, what's my skinny girl? Like, I really do think,
because I would love to do a project of that size,
but I'm not. It's just not like that natural to
me business. I'm more of like a, Oh I have
an idea for a movie. Oh, I have an idea
for a show. I have an idea for a book.
So that's what I'm leaning into. I'm trying to lean
(04:28):
into what I'm good at, and we'll see how it goes.
How old are you thirty four?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, it's still very very I mean I didn't become
I was broke until I was late thirties, and it
all sort of like comes together.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It's case law and so like.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You're just like sort of I took a bartending class
after college, and I went to acting and I then
produced large scale events where like the Emmys the Grammys,
and would coordinate all the food and beverage and the
lighting and the sound. All these things have somehow come
into my house renovation projects.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
My ability to pull things to together.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I produce things like it's sort of all like converges
and then it gets concentrated, but you can sort of
be nimble and shift it. Like I wasn't planning any
of this a couple of years ago, like this was.
I was planning towards sort of semi retiring, just doing
what I wanted. This is comp I was talking to
my best friends since high school last night because we
were talking about hacks, and.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I'm like, is that not me? In twenty years?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So I'm gonna be in a rollers voice, like negotiating
for a figurine in some store, But it actually isn't
me because I'm not like her or Joan Rivers, where
I define my life by the calendar and how full
it is. And I said, when the tables go cold,
I'm walking out, like I'm totally cool. I'm only doing
this because the tables are hot.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
No, you're doing it because it's working. It's fun and
like you're doing it and that's why it works. I
think it's like it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
That's why it keeps working is because you're like you
could take it or leave it. You're just exactly exactly,
and like that shows and like when people need it
too much, you can tell and people are like, eh, yeah,
So I think that's why it's worked and it's very cool.
(06:02):
Like I think about you all the time. I think
about how you know it came together for you. I
think about having your daughter all of that, Like it
does inspire me and I think about it. I'm always like,
last time I did your pod, you were like, oh,
You've still got so much time, And I'm like, I
hope she tells me that again, because I feel it's
a clock sticken.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
No beyond beyond time. But also I feel like you
are there's a more relaxedness about you too. It feels
like you popped off. It was the biggest thing in
the entire universe. You leveled out.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You had like a rough moment which I messaged you about.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, it seems like you're more comfortable in your skin.
Like you're just like this is what this is and
it doesn't have to I don't know if they hit
a home run every day, but I and I could
get get banged up, but like we're here, like you said,
the store is going to open every day, and this
is like it just doesn't seem it's just an energy
and I could be totally wrong. You're just like, this
(06:53):
is what I want to talk about. This is what
I find interesting. As niche as it is. I'm not
forcing it, I'm not pushing it.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, yeah, totally. It just takes some time. And like, honestly,
in a weird way, like being canceled did kind of
level me out because I was so like I was
like breathing, like the la I needed everything. I needed
to go to every party. I was obsessed, I was
missing you know. It was just like it felt like
if it went away, I would die. And it did
(07:19):
go away for a couple months, and I like learned
who my real friends are and I really learned how
that all work. And then I came back and I
was like, you know, you kind of recalibrate and you
figure out what matters and you figure out how it goes,
and it's like it is a job at the end
of the day. It's like before I think, I was
like this is I breathe it. It's my life, Like
(07:40):
my phone is first like everything for the story and
now I'm like, it's a job. I love my followers
very much, I love making content for them, but at
the end of the day, the Internet, it's a job
and I'm going to do what I am going to
do and if people like it, that's great, and if not,
then that's okay too.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I just thought that you said that it leveled you
out because you didn't really know that the wolves are
always at the end of the bed.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I was talking to Tim dill in the Comedian about
this last night. Because I have no I really don't
have fear, but I'm not going to jump on the
sun for no reason. I've said things in my career
that like I could have said another way, like it
literally didn't need to be said, or just say it
a different way, or asked the question to other people.
It's nothing to do with fear. It's just like it
wasn't my hill to die, who cared? But the thing
(08:39):
that I said that could cause me so much problems?
And I fly very close to the sun, Like there's
something about politics I want to talk about today, and
like I'm thinking my team and be like, what the
fuck do you need to be doing? That now, but
like whatever, fuck it, I want to do it, so
I try to fly close. But I don't need to
be on the sun. But if things are going too well,
and it's not that I'm like negative or bet against myself,
I don't. I get uncomfortable the way that you described
(09:02):
what you're going on in LA that sounds to me
like being on a very dangerous role, Clausch, I don't
like it. I was just invited to the derby to
do everything properly the whole entire weekend, and I grew
up going to the races, but like had to scrounge
for to get things, and like now it's like of
course like elite and VIP. I don't like it when
it's too much and too much of me, and when
it's too good and too liked, like I don't like it.
(09:24):
I'm a comfortable because the wolves are at the fucking
end of the bed.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, there's that phrase where it's like the devil comes
for you at your highest moment, and it's like true,
it's like you're riding high, like everything feels amazing, and
then it's like boom, and it's like you kind of
have to not be always looking over your shoulder, but
like to your point, you kind of have to know
it's there and just be like okay, like it is
what it is. And that's why you need to do
exactly what you want. You need to pick the fights
(09:48):
you want to fight and leave the shit that doesn't matter.
But you're fearless, Like I think about you all the time,
like in your comments, like you're so funny. You just
talk right back to people and you're just like you
don't give a shit. You're just like you're like you'll
or whatever. And I'm like, yes, like I'm dying for
it because you don't care. And and by the way,
that's why this is awkward. You're still here, no, Yeah,
because because very few people are just like, yeah, like
(10:12):
this is what I think, and it's okay to talk
about these things. We're all gonna be okay. We're very
much in a time where it's like people don't even
say their opinion anymore, which is why I think we've
gotten to this place, by the way, this extreme place
where everyone's like can't even have a conversation without qualifying
sixty things exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That's so, and it's okay, and that's okay. Exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You know, you can say like I don't like this
TV show. It's all right, and people are like, but
why did you do it? Right? Sometimes you just don't
like something. And by the way, I think that we
were all a lot happier when we were living in
a time when you could say I like that, that's
not for me whatever. Now we kind of find a
weird moralizing thing. But behind everything we can't. We don't
(10:56):
think it's proper to just say I actually don't like
that actor. He's not for me. Now, I was like, well,
you know, twenty years ago he said this and he
had a dog that you know, blah blah blah, and
exactly just say you don't like him.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's okay, Yeah, but it's couched in such bullshit because
we're supposed to use your voice.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You have a voice to use it. Shut the fuck up.
You can't use your voice. You have to be muzzled.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yes, And the thing is, there was a movie years
ago Sandra Bullock's speed when she had to keep the
bus at fifty five miles an hour, couldn't go higher
or lower, everyone would die. And that's kind of a
little bit what it's like meaning when you go through
something like a cancelation or something is really bad. I
don't know who I said this to, but you have
to hold on to the steering, but you cannot hold
on too tight.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But you cannot let go right.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You can't like go hide under a rock, but you
can't like go hard in the paint.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
You're kind of just like.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You kind of just have to go through it. You
kind of just have to go through. And by the way,
when I was canceled, I thought, like all the people
that I was jealous of, I thought, they'll never get canceled,
They'll never get canceled. I made this little list in
my mind. You know, every single one of them has
been through some cancelationship. Yes, yes, nobody's safe. They're gonna
find something. They're gonna keep fucking deeper.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
See, you know it's cancelation is so canceled.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Cancelation is fucking canceled. Okay, but this is the bigger moment.
The amount you learned through something negative is so much
more valuable then like you need Like it's unbelievable. It's
something that I was just dealing with my daughter and
like it will define her. And it's like I thrive
on how to deal with something in a crisis with
all this relief work and all this stuff. Like I'm
(12:29):
just good in a crisis and I don't want to
have that experience.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Believe me.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's not like I'm saying like I'm a I have
a death wish. I'm saying, but like when it clicks in,
it's a puzzle and I can always figure out how
to like navigate it, how to like drive on that road.
And it is a skill set and it's so helpful
for things in life that really matter, family matters, for
financial matters, health matters, whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Like these things.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Are like you have to take a de breath, pay
attention to how you're navigating somebody, because there are many
ways to go and they all sometimes see my good ideas.
You think this, you think that the other thing, But
like I pride myself on being like making that right decision,
and that's because of a series of you know, difficult things.
So that's what's really good. Then you be like fuck it, Nope,
this is bad. We're all in fucking mode. Now let's go. Yeah,
(13:16):
what is the basis of what you were discussing over
all life.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
You know, a lot of what I talk about is
how to navigate this new era that we're going through,
navigate dating as best I can.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Again, I'm not an expert. I just have found a way.
What is that There is no expert. There is no
there's literally no expert.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
But I have like the little tips and tricks to
like not make yourself go crazy, and and and then
also I just give like advice and people are like,
what qualifies you. I'm going to tell you something. Common
sense is not that common. I think that people call
my radio show because they think generally I have pretty
good manners and I can kind of figure out we
can do you have a good guation, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
And you could also have a good communication start.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I had wrote a book called Naturally Thin, and my
ex was like, you need to go become a nutritionist
to write this book. I'm like, no, I'm a person
that food noise exactly. I invented the term food noise
and people were battling me in my own comments about
food is like, yeah, hi, I'm the first person ever
used it. It was when the dinosaurs walkfy or some
other person regurgitated it. So shut the fuck up and
sit down. But the point was I wasn't a nutritionist.
(14:14):
I was a person that was noisy about it. What
d what not to eat?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I was good? I was bad, Like yeah, binged. I
So you're that of dating.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Okay, So all right, so let's get into the book
and the TV show and wow.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah it's fun. It's called Hotter in the Hamptons said
in one of your favorite places. It's a spicy romance novel.
It's an easy beach read. It's about an influencer who
has a spicy summer flaning. I did it because I
wanted to do something creative. I wanted to do something
that was like, I mean, there's parts of it in
there that are mee because obviously it's an influencer about
(14:59):
why not make her influencer? But it's creative, it's fun,
it's spicy. A lot of it is influenced by my
followers and the questions they've asked me. They a lot
of them have been like, I watch lesbian porn? Is
that normal? And I'm like, yeah, it's normal. A lot
of women have that fantasy, like of course, really, yeah,
So it was kind of inspired by my followers asking
me that and because she has a summer flame with
(15:22):
a woman.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And wow, Hotter in the Hampton's is the best name, yes,
ever And I wanted it to be like rich Mom
location like I had.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I have this whole idea for a series where each
book is going to be set in a new place.
That's all this.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I want to be in it.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, so I want to be in it.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I want to be in an episode.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I'm going to write you into the next one for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And it's going, Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Okay, so Hotter in the Hampton's And who's doing the
TV show and what's happening?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
This is so exciting, so that you're going to be
a miss.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
No, I'm going to be an executive producer though, which
is so exciting. My first time Foster sisters are in it. No,
they bought the rights, so they're going to make it
into a TV show. Yeah, So I'm so excited. I
can't believe it. I'm so like they are the moment.
They are so smart. I worshiped them. I thought their
show was ten out of ten. Last year, Nobody Wants
This was so good.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And yeah, everyone was talking about Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So they I mean I still can't believe it, Like
I have the most fitting them, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But it totally tracks and it's a perfect trajectory for you.
Like this is like a real like Sex and the
City thing. It's totally on brand. Like the one who
was on the Housewives who did the Sex and the City.
I can't remember her name, you know she was on this, Candace.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh yeah, Candace ye? Yeah yeah right yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
So wait a second, So what happened?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You have an agent, and your agent packaged it and
pitched it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Is that how it happened.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, when we announced the book, we sent it to
a bunch of different producers, and I couldn't believe it
that they wanted it and that they were doing it.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
You had this idea when writing the book. You had
the idea to write a book and make it a
TV show.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, I thought, like I thought maybe, I mean, it
was a pipe dream. I had no idea what actually happen.
I was like, oh, I'll just see how it goes.
But I'm really thrilled beyond and I'm excited to just
do like this bigger project and work on something you
know that's going to take a year plus. It's like
I'm used to making videos that are made in five
minutes and posted immediately, so it's.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, yes, but you're very like smart and thorough and
like that's very that's like more meat on the bone.
How many episodes? And did it start shooting? And where's
it going to live?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
We're talking to writers now. I'm loving every second because
it's just like it's so cool to be in these meetings.
It's so cool to have a seat at the table
and to just hear how it works. And it's really
like feeding me. I feel like I was ready for
like the next thing, and it's it's really doing that
for me. So I'm very excited.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
But it's early, very on brand for you. It's very
very good. And the good news is that you can
use the shitty things that happen in the in the
book like it could.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Everything is content like Norah Efron.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Like of course that she gets canceled in the book obviously, So.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, that's I got.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Now. I got to read it when I'm hot in
the Hamptons because I remember that you were and you
have to have your tabasco salad dressing.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, okay, we have to hang out this summer at
least once we have to get drunk in the Hamdas together.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
One hundred percent you're off alcohol, but you're going to know.
I'm back on but not crazy and I'm mean during
my saki era.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
We could talk about it later. The Lord's work.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I love saki.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I'm going to make saki mainstream.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Just wait, I love that. Just wait.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I've decided, and if I decided, it's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
If you decide, then it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
If I decide that it's going to be the new
chicken salad, then it's going to be the new chicken salad,
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