October 6, 2020 • 35 mins
On personal reinvention and maintaining an empire. Plus - Dorinda Medley joins Bethenny for her opening Rant to talk about leaving RHONY and what's next.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What percentage do you think that you're lucky? And what
percentage do you think that you're smart? Out of a
hundred smart? All right, I like it. I'm not I'm
not a dumb blong. I'm just very good at pretending
to be one. Hi, Welcome to week two of Just Be.
(00:31):
I am so blown away and moved and shocked by
the support and feedback that I've gotten from you so far.
You have rallied. I'm speechless. I mean, so many of
you didn't know how to subscribe to podcasts and had
never listened to one before, including myself, and you just
came and you loved it, and you rated it, and
(00:51):
I read all the comments and I could not be
more thrilled. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Keep listening, keep rating, keep reviewing, keep subscribing. Today is
going to be an incredible show. Uh, Dorinda is here.
It's usually just me talking to you, but sometimes I
just want to have someone come in. If I feel
that it's something you might want to hear or something
they might want to have, I might want to say
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during He's got a lot of wisdom, she's funny, she's abroad.
She just left the Housewives and it's sort of a story.
And no one knew whether she got fired or whether
she left, except I knew that. And it's just a
good conversation, just light and bright and funny and stupid.
And I love Dorinda, and I know you're going to
love everything she has to say today. All right, let's
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get this party started. So Dorinda is here. You may
think she's funny if you've ever seen her on television,
but they don't really really capture how fucking hilarious she is.
And for someone like me, who's a comedy snob, to
say someone's hilarious, it is a big goddamn deal because
I'm not interested in people who aren't funny as a
big compliment. It's like an orgasm you need to get.
(01:57):
It's like I need I get off laughing, hysterical, but
good laugher, because people really enjoy You're a great People
don't say you're a guttural laugher. I love a guttural
lab That's what we're gonna call for you, a guttural
lap Wait, so you were yeah, I think on the
show they really found me funny. I thought about that
after the fact, Like people never really laughed, really hard like,
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I'm definitely better and more funny off the show that
I'm I'm more of a sort of a one line
around the show, but I make people really laugh in
my home and beyond and the audience laughs that you
even still wasn't portrayed as as funny. But the girls
on the show don't think you're that funny because they
don't really have a sense of humor. They literally don't
have a sense of humor, which is super important. Um
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So when here we go, you could say, here we go.
All right, so you left the show. We're gonna get
a little bit into that. It was said that you
had a rough season. Listen, I did not have a
good season this year, so I'm not gonna make excuses
for that. But I was doing real you know, that's
where I was at that time. It's you know, it
has been said that, you know, I probably should have
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taken a year off like like you did. You decided
to do, and I'll be honest with you, I felt very,
very scared going into the season because not only was
my life very intense with all the things that you know,
the house, my father broken rib, breaking up with John,
she broke up with her boyfriend, her father got sick,
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and her house flooded because everyone might not have seen okay,
and then I broke my rib so it was like wow,
but I think the thing that maybe I'm not putting anyblade.
But you know, when you left, I was really in
a mode of coming back and being a powerful couple.
So then you know, I got the I came back
and I was sort of a toothpick in an ocean
and I didn't I wasn't I didn't get my voice
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out correctly exactly. Well that's exactly, and you get into
over your skis, you drink, something happens, you say something,
and then you're in your head about what you've just said.
But show must go on. You're still phoning, they're still cameras.
So that's what is challenging, and that's I do feel you.
And listen, everybody always gets their resurrection season. So the
next season, the person is super cautious. They got burned
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everything they did wrong this season before. But we've seen
that the other the other characters. We've seen that in
in our characters on our show. And listen, I had
a rough season, but that's what we do as housewives.
We have good seasons. We have bad seasons. We we
we come back and we changed it out, and listen,
I was looking forward to coming back this year. I
was looking forward to having that woman. I mean, when
I found out what this thing all went down, I
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was just getting off the phone with this woman that
was doing She's doing a Blue Stone manner Ginger bright House,
and I'm thinking it's gonna be great for the show,
and oh my god, this is gonna be my season.
And I'm gonna come back because everything's done, I'm in
a good place. So it really was sort of you know,
no one likes rejection, right, Well, no, if you go
out with a guy and you feel like you did
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something stupid or had bad breath or had spinach and
your teeth and you find it out when you get home,
you want to go out. You hope the guy calls
and then you get to go again to just like
make it make it nice. You wanted to make it nice.
That's the truth. Listen, Truthfully is this I didn't talk
because I didn't want to talk. I was ready to
go back. I was excited about going back. I was
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planning on going back, and I thought I would have
a great year. I wasn't given that option. That's a
great way to say your option was not exercised. Yeah,
the option was not exercised in my mind. You know,
they're calling it a pose, which I don't really For me,
I'm an old fashioned girl. If you're not waitressed in
getting paid, you're not waitressing. Okay, so you know what
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I'm saying. So at the end of the day, was
a mutual no. This is pretty much the first time
I've spoken as honestly outside of you and I talking
that I've done and you can you can attest to that,
and you've been respectful even here today. You we've talked
about it a lot. My advice to you was, it's
gonna be tempting to say something. Let the dust settle
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and relax and just let it breathe because you wanted
to go out, and I would, And it's released me
to do other things. You know, It's it's put me
in a really much saner place because you can become
because of my personality, no matter what I do, it
is everything to me. It could be cooking, it could
be motherhood, it could be doing this damn blue Stone manner.
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You know, I'm all in I'm like you, there's really
no gray in my life. It's either so you know
when I you know. So it takes a while to
get away from that. But then when you get away
from it and you start to have all these other opportunities. Look,
and I get to be here today, this would have happened,
and you can develop your friendships in a different way.
My friend had occurs there who I love what I
called her up? She said to me because she's moving
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to New York. She said to me, Oh my god,
I'm so happy you're not going back this year. Now
you can be with your your friends again, because you've
been ignoring us for six years. You never want to
just be Derinda anymore. And in a weird way, that
was one of the best things anyone could have said
to me, because it's kind of true. It's kind of true,
and because birthday parties aren't real. They're bright and lit,
and you're conversations aren't real, and you think that the
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world understands the show or cares about it, and most
people don't even know what it is. But what I
want to say is, you do like thriving, but you
like surviving something too. You're a great underdog. You like
fighting back from something. You're a warrior. So I feel
like this is good because you are upset and I
was worried about you, and but I also was like
excited for you because you know what, it made a
decision for you, It created a path for you. You You
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left on the best possible terms. So like just quickly,
nine nine percent of housewives that leave the housewives were fired,
and ninety nine point nine percent of that ninety nine
point nine percent say that it was mutual or that
it was their idea, and it's not. It's just the
money is too good for being this kind of high
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class prostitute, and people just don't leave unless they are
financially sound. In other ways, you're in it. You're in it,
and you just it becomes part of your lifestyle and
then they pay you well and you don't have a
reason not to be. You're chasing the dragon. Yeah, propersonally,
financially all these ways, like I can't go I can't
go on a trip in October and filming right, you know,
So that's how you think you're in it kind of
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coltish a little way, and you know, I kind of
decided during that when it happened to just go silent.
You know, all these housewives handle it different ways. They
put out curate statements, They work with Bravo this, they
go on talk shows, podcasts, they try to get their
word out. The day it happened, I literally put down
the phone. I think I called you, I called my mom,
I called Hannah, And in a weird way, the hardest
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call for me was kind of a cry about was
my mother because it wasn't so much about the the
the going back or not going back. I was just
so afraid she was gonna You know, I've never failed
in anything, you know, And I think the last time
I cried to my mother was when Richard died. Because
I don't cry. I get through it. And I said,
I feel like I'll let you down, you know now,
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She said, I think this is the healthiest thing for you.
You've been running like a maniac since your husband died,
and now let's see where who during is. You don't
have to do motherhood, you don't have to be a wife.
You should just spend time some time and be during
find who that person is again. And also too, I
forgot that I didn't get created on the house rise
already came a fully baked cake. I just gave him
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a piece of it. So it wasn't hard for me
to transition back. I pretty much doing what I would
do anyway. Well, but what I mentioned last time, it's
not that easy for a woman in her fifties to
start a new career and make an income like that.
That's what holds the people in because it's not twenty
three year olds don't forget, and it's not you know,
it's fifty something is the average age. So that's like
where also that where you gonna go. You're gonna go
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work at IBM, incorporate and make that you know, well,
that's that's a thing. And also too, I'm too ambitious,
too curious, too alive to do nothing. So that that's
where where it got tricky for me, wasn't you know?
Was that that? You know, fear sets in. Fear sets in,
and you've got to really fight that because if you
just let it breathe, you realize that, Like you know,
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I think you even said after three or four days,
you just sound so different, you sound happy, because the
first couple of days I was panicked. No, I know,
you sometimes just have to jump to fly now. Dorinda
was maybe pushed out of the plane, but she chose
to fly. And the thing I think is that it
made you a little more relevant and interesting. For some reason.
You were clumped in with a group just like me
in a way, and somehow the way you left for
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you more than anyone. Because everybody, and this is for
people who get broken up with by the way, people
who get let go, there's something nice about being honest,
like it's liberating and you there's nothing to hide behind.
And so many people in the same experience that you've
gone through, with similar popularity, have tried to be like,
you know, no, it was mutual. I broke up with them,
blah blah blah. Have spent so much time about that,
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and it hasn't seemed genuine. The message doesn't come across,
and it doesn't seem confident. Like something about the way
you've left seems very confident. It seems very liberated, It
seems honest, and it seems empowering, and it honestly seems
like you're more relevant. I don't know why, but it
just came out, Kay, came out good. I was really
surprised and pleased how the audience spoke for me exactly
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like I was really like, Wow, I was loved because
you forget that I didn't even realize how beloved you are.
It makes sense that you are because you're such so
iconic and a broad and funny and honest, and you're
like someone's fun like aunt in a good way. But
I want to have you back. I think you're amazing
and I would love for you to be my Robin
anytime you want to do it. This is amazing. I
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think talking to healing, and you explore yourself as well
as you know, just opening up its healing. So I
love it all. You know me, I mentioned it all.
Stay with me because I'll be talking to Paris Hilton
when we come back after the break. Well, today's discussion
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with Paris takes me full circle. I'm going to be
talking to Paris Hilton, who I used to babysit and
nanny before she was the incredible boss businesswoman that she
is now. So she now has nineteen product brands in fragrances, skincare, fashion, makeup,
and more. She is a DJ who performs around the world,
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and most recently, she was the subject of a documentary
on YouTube called This Is Paris. This is Paris is unbelievable.
She is just unfiltered, raw, she goes there, she lets
you see really the other side. So basically this interview
is just real Paris, and we've never heard her like
this before. And I'm just honored and grateful that I
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got to have this opportunity to talk to her. So
let's get into it. How are you good? How are
you baby? I'm good. I have to tell you that
I finished the documentary last night and I didn't really sleep.
I was. It really was spectacular, Like I can't believe
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how good it was. I mean literally, I texted your mom,
I texted Nikki. I couldn't believe how good it was.
I was actually moved, and I just it was so
real and so courageous and just so not forced. Yeah.
I think it's definitely the first time I've actually been
my true self and I was just so open and honest,
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and they're really just put it all out there in
ways that I never have in my life. Do you
feel free a little more? Just like liberated? Lighter? How
do you feel? Definitely? I feel, which is like a
way has been lifted off my shoulders. Just something that
you know, I've been holding in for so long, you know,
and just to kind of release that from me. And
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now I've seen the film so many times, just watching
it and also just seeing how how different I was
even last year, because when you're living that life and
you're traveling constantly, you don't really realize it. But after
literally just watching myself and just seeing just how stressed
out I was, how lonely I was, just how I
was going through so much, and now today to be
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in such a different mindset and it just it may
makes me feel I'm just really happy and also really
proud of just the woman I am and what I've
been through and how strong I am. I think it's amazing.
And I also like that you refer to yourself as
a woman, because I mean, you look so young and
just watch you know, you're always sort of like flitting
through life and it seems so effortless and carefree, and
you're a serious businesswoman, And I want to know do
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you think of yourself like that? Do you think of
yourself as a serious businesswoman? Yes, definitely. I also always
going to be a kid at heart, That's just how
I am. But I and I now I'm like a
full grown up Yes, do you absolutely are? And I
don't think most people know that I met your I
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met your aunt Kyle at Loscalo where you used to
go with your whole family, um for chop salads, and
I was the hostess, and um, your mom needed a
someone to help her at the staircase, which I saw
for a second in the documentary, and I was wrapping gifts.
She had this store with all these ornaments and like
all this chop skis, which I am like least two.
I don't have a single extra thing. And then part
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of the job became coming to in my forward probe
to get you and Nikki from Lisa from this sort
of like fancy French school. And I remember we'd go
with Kyle like to the like mobile mar to the
gas station after and I would take you guys ice skating,
and I can't remember do you remember that because you
were young? Do you you do? So? I would take
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you to go get ferrets at the pet store at
Century City, and Nicky would want to go to Rampage,
which was sort of like, I don't know, it's like
what is what was? What is ramp Do you remember Rampage?
That story Rampage is like the forever one of today. Right, Okay,
that's exactly I could gets exactly the way, exactly what
it was. That's so funny just to remember all of that,
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and it's so cute that we've known each other for
so long and look how far you've come, Boss Bit
and now Nanny the Paris Talker and now killing it.
It's it's crazy. And yeah, I mean I see watching
the documentary, I see a lot of similarities in our lives.
I mean I've had a definitely unsavory aspects of my
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childhood and I relate to you. Um, I relate to
you not sleeping and that being like a mania, like
something that's maddening inside. I mean, yes, you had specific
reasons for that, as do I, but just like you
not being able to turn your mind off because you're
always activated, always working. You know, I want to know
how you view like old school hard work and how
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hard do you actually work and what does that mean?
Like how do how do you apply that? Um? Well,
I feel very blessed to have grown up in a
family that is full of entrepreneurs and you know, businessmen,
and just looking up to my great grandfather, my grandfather
and my father. They were always my mentors growing up
and I always wanted to make them proud, and it
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was always a lot to live up to. Just with
the Hilton name. What I went through, you definitely gave
me that drive to want to become independent and to
want to not just be known as the Hilton Hotel granddaughter.
I always have this drive to be known as Paris
and build my own brand separate from my family. So
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it's it's obvious it's taken a lot of work. Ever
since I was a teenager, I've been working NonStop with
all my traveling and just constantly every single day. It's
it's something different because I have nineteen product lines. I
do music, I d J, I am a businesswoman, I
am a brand, I'm an artist. It's just NonStop every
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single day. It's very very intense and it's activating. It's
like absolutely you're you're just on all the time. It's
time or money more valuable to you. Now. I know
money is important and I know that you're working hard,
but for me, for example, doing something has to be
so worth it. My life has just been so NonStop,
so I never really had a second to just think
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about it. It's all been about my business and my work.
And now I you know, I obviously I still have
that drive. I love to work, but I also value
my time a lot more. I'm really more focused on
things that are more important in my life, like my relationship,
moving on to the next phase of my life, and
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continuing to be that businesswoman, but not you know, to
be everywhere and going to a visa and like you know,
living out there and touring and just this really hectic
schedule where I really couldn't focus on myself. I really
just want to be happy with what I've created and
and not focus so much on you know, like the
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monetary aspect of it. Well, it's funny because I think
of it as buckets, where I say, I'd rather have
six buckets really full, then twenty buckets, you know, just
like half full, meaning like the really like if your
relationship is one bucket, it's something quality you can invest in.
If this other business opportunity isn't such a time stuff,
but it really has a big return on your investment,
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then that's a good bucket to fill. Are you capable
of being present and being in the moment, meaning without stimulation,
without the phone, without calling someone, without just being present.
Um Now I am more than ever. I think before
I was just so addicted to being on the phone
and on social media, and like you said, like getting
stuck in these rabbit holes where you're like on Instagram
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or looking in you know, all the online shops and
just kind of getting distracted in that way. Um. So
now I take time where I just put my phone away.
And that's like a rule that my boyfriend and I have,
like we always want to be there and have that
time together. So during dinners or when we'rever together, we
both don't even take our phones out because we're just
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really talking at each other. And I've never been that
way before, Like I've always need time i've been at
dinner or anything, I've literally been on the phone maybe
eighty percent of the time. Um. But now I'm just
in such a great place and I really enjoy my
conversations with my boy friends. So I don't really care
to look at my phone like I used to, which
is interesting because if you're just looking at your phone,
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you're like in your own head, in your own life.
If you're talking to somebody else, you're learning from them,
you're growing. It's sort of like you're not just in
your hole with yourself, which I think is is a
great note for people too. And for sure, Well, have
you noticed the difference in your business and the way
that you're working. Are you working you know, smarter in
being more present in that way? Definitely? I used to
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have nightmares every single night, and now my nightmares have
went away. I think from the film just talking about
my experiences and everything I've went through that really helped.
And I'm just so happy. It's hard to describe. That's amazing.
Never thought I could feel this way. That's a beautiful thing.
Everyone deserves to be happy. And it might just be
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your transition in your time, you know, you might just
be finally blossoming. And this is like a good chapter. Yes,
all right, So you started out on the Simple Life
when you were sixteen and you now have a major
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empire with multiple product lines and businesses, and I want
to understand how you went from what could easily have
been a superficial, passing socialite moment to who you are today. Well,
when I was on the Simple Life, I you know,
before I made that decision, I reality TV was so new,
there was nothing out There was basically the first of
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its kind, so I didn't know what I was getting
myself into, but I went for it. And then when
the show aired and had thirteen million viewers and was
you know, such a huge success. At that moment, I
realized this is my platform to help me build my
business and my brand. And while I was, you know,
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just doing the show and doing everything, I started really
thinking about what my next steps were. And that's when
I went and met with all the Fragrance companies and
did my first deal with car Lux, and now today
I have just released my twenty seven Fragrance UM So yeah,
I think The Simple Life was definitely that turning point
in my life where I knew with this platform, I
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could build a huge business. So that's interesting for people
that are listening that aren't on TV, that may not
be on Instagram, that you is. We have the same thing.
So what I'm finding is through interviewing really successful people
that there are just similar things that I have in
common or that we all have in common that are
just coming out and I want to know, how are
you the talent and also the CEO. Well, since the
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beginning of my career, I've that's how it's always been
I feel like I'm like kind of like this walking
live billboard brand for my business and my brand. So
I've always had to be the CEO and being in
charge of my business because it's such, you know, a
like massive empire that I've built, and I feel that
if you really want things to get done in the
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correct way, you need to do them yourself. So I
I'm just I'm there for all of it's It's it's
a lot that goes into it, especially when you have
to be that public person and you have to be
on all the time and and and really putting yourself
out there, and then also being in the boardroom doing
all my business with all my different brands and all
the companies I work with. Right, And it's funny that
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you say that, because there's one thing I took away
there is that you do have to do it yourself like,
but there are other people around you in business that
you could trust, if I mean from like a creative
understanding your brand. Are there those people? Yeah, of course,
I'm there for everything I do, but I also have
amazing people helping you, you know, behind the scenes, supporting
me and helping make everything happen. Because you know, you know,
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that's a really important part of being a businesswoman is
really putting together that team of people. If you don't
have the right team, it's it's just makes it so
much more difficult. And how hard is it to find
that it doesn't It take years and you have people
you can't trust and people that are morons, and how
long does it take to get your dream tame? Years
and years? It's it's really I've went through so many
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different people, and I've been burned so many times, and
I've had people take advantage of me and steal from
me and lie to me and use my name as
It's just I've been through hell and back in that
area of my life, because it's it's really hard to
get someone that either understands you or that doesn't become
greedy and start trying to do these side deals without
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telling you. It's just there's so much that goes into it,
and when before, when I was constantly traveling, it's hard
to really even know what they're doing behind the scenes
and what they're getting away with until everything always comes
to light. Though I feel that I always find out
when something is happening, I might not find out right away.
But you know, the truth always comes out agreed. And
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it seems like you used to be much more open
and I was the same way. I trusted everybody, and
you've got to be you have to be a gangster
about it. You know, you can smell it. You can
smell it. You could just you know, when something feels wrong.
It could be off the littlest thing, the littlest charge,
the littlest weird thing. And then if that's one thing,
it's like if there's one rat, there's a hundred of them.
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So then you're like, oh no, no, I gotta look
down this thing because this is and then I'm just
Once that happens, I'm done with the person. I can't
trust them, and that's when I just I can't have
them in my life or my circle. How decisive are you? So?
Sometimes for me, like I could take a long time
to order a pasta, but I could decide about my
business or buying a house in two seconds. So how
decisive are you? In business? I really just go with
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my gut feeling. And even sometimes my team will be like,
I don't think you should do this, and I will
think of it because I'm always thinking of long term,
and I feel that a lot of people always think
short term because all they care about is the commission
on that one deal right away. And I don't know.
I've always been the type of person who thinks into
the future and thinks ten steps ahead. You're a big
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picture thinker. If you could say, they're playing checkers in
your playing chess exactly. I love all your analogies. I'm
gonna some things. You can steal them. That's why I'm
giving them, so you can steal them. So you talk
about family and children, can you think about a relationship
partnership like the way that you invest in business, and
that specifically your business. I just mean with the same
sort of passion and intensity and capability as you as
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you have in business in relationships. Because I asked myself
this question before, No, like before, I was only focused
on my work, and I think just the relationship part
of it was more me always pretending, like portraying like, oh,
this is the perfect life, have the perfect boyfriend, all
of that. But I was never truly happy because I
was just traveling. I was working so hard, so I
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didn't really have time to invest into my relationship. It
was just all about my business, and you know now,
I I think that your relationship is the most important part,
and now, especially during this pandemic, to have so much
time together, I feel like the especially my boyfriend and I,
(27:00):
we have lived like what most couples would experience, like
in five years, in these past nine months together. So
it's broughten us so close. And I think your relationship
has to do with everything, your happiness, how you feel
the future of your family and your life. So I'm
(27:21):
investing more into my relationship now than I do into
my businesses because that's more important to me. Well, that's
an interesting gift from the pandemic. You had this intense
exploration that if you were distracted running everywhere, I might
not have gotten so deep in this time. Yes, definitely,
So that's a gift. Um, So explain your different path
from Nikki's, because you guys used to be one identity.
(27:43):
You were Paris and Nicki, Paris and Nicki, and you
really took different paths. And um, you know you're she's
portrayed even in the and it's not portrayed, it's maybe true.
I mean I know you both, and she's very calm.
I would say call her to silent assassin. She's very
calm and you know, but she's tough, Like I don't
think people realize how tough she is. Um and you
(28:06):
both have a lot of your mom and you and
your grandmother because you don't forget I knew your grandmother too.
You talk about her in the documentary. I remember her
hiding all her jewelry and the Manni's jar and like
she she was totally nuts and fun and like abroad
she was abroad, and I you know, I loved that
about her. How did that path separate? Had that path diverge? Yeah?
We started our career together as teenagers and we went
(28:28):
to Tokyo and that's when we started the brand of
the Hilton Sisters. And then as we grew up then
Nikki Nikki was always I think definitely when people see
the film, they're gonna see see what you decaid that
she's just such a boss, so strong, and she's always
even though she's my little sister, I've always looked up
to her like my big sister. She's always been the
(28:51):
one who just tells me how it is. And I
don't really have a lot of people in my life
who were like that. It's so true. And I think
she seems she comes off as hold, she's really thoughtful,
like I had, I had a loss, I lost my
fiance passed away, and you know, she really I could
tell she really felt it, like she felt really you
know bad. She really does care, and she also seems
(29:12):
like she cares about the people she cares about, and
then the rest she doesn't really you know, you have
that whole thing, you keep your circle tight, definitely, And
I think she also became that way because seeing me
go through so much and seeing me get burned by
people or just things that have happened to me, I
think have really affected her. And yeah, she does come
off like cold and stern, but actually she's just super
(29:35):
sensitive about things and it's just the way she is.
She's just such just a strong person. And I don't
know what I would do without her. One superficial question
about stuff, I feel like you need a c s oh,
a chief stuff officer. I could do that if I retire.
If she really all goes to ship with this podcast,
I could be a chief stuff officer. I would run
(29:57):
that ship like a tight ship. You have no idea
like I'd be this comes in that goes out this
goes here? Do you really give a shit about the
stuff of it? What are your three or a few
prize possessions that are not you know, not your pets,
not people like material objects? What would you? What are
your prize possessions? Um? My things I love. I love
(30:17):
my Slive mobile, which is my my BMW I, which
I had wrapped in like holographic. It looks like Unicorn
mermaid skin. It's like amazing. Okay, I love that. And
I love my twenty one birthday dress as something that
I love and cherish because I think it's just such
(30:39):
an iconic piece of fashion and like history. Okay, and
then what else do I love? I love my doggy mansion.
You have a dogy mansion. I love it because when
I was little, I just springs back so many memories. Um,
when we used to live at Stradella and bell Air,
we had this dollhouse that my parents had for us,
(31:01):
and I said, one day, when I have kids, I'm
going to build them a dollhouse like this. And because
I don't have kids yet, I built this house for
my for babies, my little dogs, and it's just it's
so cute because it's like a miniature version of my house.
It looks like exactly the same on the outside and
has like furniture and like really cute wallpaper and the
(31:22):
chandelier and it's just it's so cute. Oh, I love it.
And it's in l A. Yes, is that the house
that that Jacqueline Smith used to live in? That was
like the biggest thing that I could ever even imagine
back then. Yes, exactly. Oh my god. I'm so happy
for you, and I really know how much time this
means to you, and I just want people to really
understand how hard you have to work day and day
(31:45):
out to make it happen, which is also how people
decide whether to do it or not, because you've got
to be up first, their last, keep your eye on
the prize at all times. You know, you have your
eye on the prize, and that's why you're you know
where you are. Hard work is very important, but also
just being a good person, because I feel that a
lot of people when they do come in this industry,
(32:06):
they forget where they came from and they turn into
this different person and they end up thinking they're better
than people. And my mom always instilled that on me.
The night before the simple life airage. She said, when
this air is on Fox tomorrow, your life is going
to change forever. And I want you to remain and
stay the same, sweet, down to earth Paris that I
love and know and and not never let this get
(32:27):
to your head. And that's a piece of advice I
always used and always we'll use for the rest of
my life. And I'm so lucky to have that support
system of my family to give me that advice, because
I think a lot of kids in Hollywood they don't
have that support system with their family. And that's what
you'll that's the kind of parent you'll be, and you'll
just pay it forward and the cycle will continue like
(32:47):
it did with your grandmother passing all this wisdom onto you,
and you'll pass it on to your kids and so on.
So I thank you so much. Just I'm glad you
trusted me today because I you know, I just wanted
to know that the stuff that's really importan and that
really makes you you. So I appreciate it very much.
Thank you. It's so much fun talking with you. I
miss you, I love you. I love you too, Thank you, Paris.
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I was going to see maybe Niki later, so she
asked me for a margarita recipe the other day, so
I guess she's not living on planet Earth, because I
don't know who doesn't know how to make a margharita.
But um, I will talk to her and tell her
how great it was, and I love you too, and
the best of success, and try to sleep same time
bed every night if you can when you can, because
I have the same issues. But we'll talk about that offline,
(33:30):
all right, excecause yes, bye the bye. I am so
happy about that interview. I just feel that people are misunderstood.
And you just see you can't judge a book by
its cover, you know. I mean you just have seen
(33:53):
Paris like a rhinestone shining and just being sort of
the original icon on and Paris Hilton talks no differently
and thinks no differently about business than Mark Cuban does.
And the the average person would not think you're putting
Mark Cuban and Paras Ulton in the same sentence. But
the truth of the matter is I had Paras Hilton
(34:13):
on the show because she is a business person. The
bottom line is there a certain tenants that everyone has,
which is like, if you want to do something right,
you have to do with yourself. It's that you have
to be working harder than anyone else. It's that you
can't really trust everybody. All these things. We're hearing these
from anyone, from Dana White, who's the head of the UFC,
(34:34):
to Bosama st John who is the head of marketing
at Netflix, to Paris Hilton. And that's what's fascinating to me.
So I'm loving it, and we're getting deeper and deeper,
and I'm really grateful. So thanks for listening. Remember to
come back next week and remember to rate, review, and subscribe.
And that's all I got. They kissed to you. Yeah.
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What percentage do you think that you're lucky? And what
percentage do you think that you're smart? Out of a
hundred smart? All right, I like it. I'm not I'm
not a dumb blong. I'm just very good at pretending
to be one. Hi, Welcome to week two of Just Be.
(00:31):
I am so blown away and moved and shocked by
the support and feedback that I've gotten from you so far.
You have rallied. I'm speechless. I mean, so many of
you didn't know how to subscribe to podcasts and had
never listened to one before, including myself, and you just
came and you loved it, and you rated it, and
(00:51):
I read all the comments and I could not be
more thrilled. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Keep listening, keep rating, keep reviewing, keep subscribing. Today is
going to be an incredible show. Uh, Dorinda is here.
It's usually just me talking to you, but sometimes I
just want to have someone come in. If I feel
that it's something you might want to hear or something
they might want to have, I might want to say
(01:12):
during He's got a lot of wisdom, she's funny, she's abroad.
She just left the Housewives and it's sort of a story.
And no one knew whether she got fired or whether
she left, except I knew that. And it's just a
good conversation, just light and bright and funny and stupid.
And I love Dorinda, and I know you're going to
love everything she has to say today. All right, let's
(01:36):
get this party started. So Dorinda is here. You may
think she's funny if you've ever seen her on television,
but they don't really really capture how fucking hilarious she is.
And for someone like me, who's a comedy snob, to
say someone's hilarious, it is a big goddamn deal because
I'm not interested in people who aren't funny as a
big compliment. It's like an orgasm you need to get.
(01:57):
It's like I need I get off laughing, hysterical, but
good laugher, because people really enjoy You're a great People
don't say you're a guttural laugher. I love a guttural
lab That's what we're gonna call for you, a guttural
lap Wait, so you were yeah, I think on the
show they really found me funny. I thought about that
after the fact, Like people never really laughed, really hard like,
(02:20):
I'm definitely better and more funny off the show that
I'm I'm more of a sort of a one line
around the show, but I make people really laugh in
my home and beyond and the audience laughs that you
even still wasn't portrayed as as funny. But the girls
on the show don't think you're that funny because they
don't really have a sense of humor. They literally don't
have a sense of humor, which is super important. Um
(02:43):
So when here we go, you could say, here we go.
All right, so you left the show. We're gonna get
a little bit into that. It was said that you
had a rough season. Listen, I did not have a
good season this year, so I'm not gonna make excuses
for that. But I was doing real you know, that's
where I was at that time. It's you know, it
has been said that, you know, I probably should have
(03:05):
taken a year off like like you did. You decided
to do, and I'll be honest with you, I felt very,
very scared going into the season because not only was
my life very intense with all the things that you know,
the house, my father broken rib, breaking up with John,
she broke up with her boyfriend, her father got sick,
(03:25):
and her house flooded because everyone might not have seen okay,
and then I broke my rib so it was like wow,
but I think the thing that maybe I'm not putting anyblade.
But you know, when you left, I was really in
a mode of coming back and being a powerful couple.
So then you know, I got the I came back
and I was sort of a toothpick in an ocean
and I didn't I wasn't I didn't get my voice
(03:46):
out correctly exactly. Well that's exactly, and you get into
over your skis, you drink, something happens, you say something,
and then you're in your head about what you've just said.
But show must go on. You're still phoning, they're still cameras.
So that's what is challenging, and that's I do feel you.
And listen, everybody always gets their resurrection season. So the
next season, the person is super cautious. They got burned
(04:08):
everything they did wrong this season before. But we've seen
that the other the other characters. We've seen that in
in our characters on our show. And listen, I had
a rough season, but that's what we do as housewives.
We have good seasons. We have bad seasons. We we
we come back and we changed it out, and listen,
I was looking forward to coming back this year. I
was looking forward to having that woman. I mean, when
I found out what this thing all went down, I
(04:29):
was just getting off the phone with this woman that
was doing She's doing a Blue Stone manner Ginger bright House,
and I'm thinking it's gonna be great for the show,
and oh my god, this is gonna be my season.
And I'm gonna come back because everything's done, I'm in
a good place. So it really was sort of you know,
no one likes rejection, right, Well, no, if you go
out with a guy and you feel like you did
(04:50):
something stupid or had bad breath or had spinach and
your teeth and you find it out when you get home,
you want to go out. You hope the guy calls
and then you get to go again to just like
make it make it nice. You wanted to make it nice.
That's the truth. Listen, Truthfully is this I didn't talk
because I didn't want to talk. I was ready to
go back. I was excited about going back. I was
(05:10):
planning on going back, and I thought I would have
a great year. I wasn't given that option. That's a
great way to say your option was not exercised. Yeah,
the option was not exercised in my mind. You know,
they're calling it a pose, which I don't really For me,
I'm an old fashioned girl. If you're not waitressed in
getting paid, you're not waitressing. Okay, so you know what
(05:32):
I'm saying. So at the end of the day, was
a mutual no. This is pretty much the first time
I've spoken as honestly outside of you and I talking
that I've done and you can you can attest to that,
and you've been respectful even here today. You we've talked
about it a lot. My advice to you was, it's
gonna be tempting to say something. Let the dust settle
(05:53):
and relax and just let it breathe because you wanted
to go out, and I would, And it's released me
to do other things. You know, It's it's put me
in a really much saner place because you can become
because of my personality, no matter what I do, it
is everything to me. It could be cooking, it could
be motherhood, it could be doing this damn blue Stone manner.
(06:15):
You know, I'm all in I'm like you, there's really
no gray in my life. It's either so you know
when I you know. So it takes a while to
get away from that. But then when you get away
from it and you start to have all these other opportunities. Look,
and I get to be here today, this would have happened,
and you can develop your friendships in a different way.
My friend had occurs there who I love what I
called her up? She said to me because she's moving
(06:37):
to New York. She said to me, Oh my god,
I'm so happy you're not going back this year. Now
you can be with your your friends again, because you've
been ignoring us for six years. You never want to
just be Derinda anymore. And in a weird way, that
was one of the best things anyone could have said
to me, because it's kind of true. It's kind of true,
and because birthday parties aren't real. They're bright and lit,
and you're conversations aren't real, and you think that the
(06:58):
world understands the show or cares about it, and most
people don't even know what it is. But what I
want to say is, you do like thriving, but you
like surviving something too. You're a great underdog. You like
fighting back from something. You're a warrior. So I feel
like this is good because you are upset and I
was worried about you, and but I also was like
excited for you because you know what, it made a
decision for you, It created a path for you. You You
(07:19):
left on the best possible terms. So like just quickly,
nine nine percent of housewives that leave the housewives were fired,
and ninety nine point nine percent of that ninety nine
point nine percent say that it was mutual or that
it was their idea, and it's not. It's just the
money is too good for being this kind of high
(07:40):
class prostitute, and people just don't leave unless they are
financially sound. In other ways, you're in it. You're in it,
and you just it becomes part of your lifestyle and
then they pay you well and you don't have a
reason not to be. You're chasing the dragon. Yeah, propersonally,
financially all these ways, like I can't go I can't
go on a trip in October and filming right, you know,
So that's how you think you're in it kind of
(08:02):
coltish a little way, and you know, I kind of
decided during that when it happened to just go silent.
You know, all these housewives handle it different ways. They
put out curate statements, They work with Bravo this, they
go on talk shows, podcasts, they try to get their
word out. The day it happened, I literally put down
the phone. I think I called you, I called my mom,
I called Hannah, And in a weird way, the hardest
(08:24):
call for me was kind of a cry about was
my mother because it wasn't so much about the the
the going back or not going back. I was just
so afraid she was gonna You know, I've never failed
in anything, you know, And I think the last time
I cried to my mother was when Richard died. Because
I don't cry. I get through it. And I said,
I feel like I'll let you down, you know now,
(08:48):
She said, I think this is the healthiest thing for you.
You've been running like a maniac since your husband died,
and now let's see where who during is. You don't
have to do motherhood, you don't have to be a wife.
You should just spend time some time and be during
find who that person is again. And also too, I
forgot that I didn't get created on the house rise
already came a fully baked cake. I just gave him
(09:08):
a piece of it. So it wasn't hard for me
to transition back. I pretty much doing what I would
do anyway. Well, but what I mentioned last time, it's
not that easy for a woman in her fifties to
start a new career and make an income like that.
That's what holds the people in because it's not twenty
three year olds don't forget, and it's not you know,
it's fifty something is the average age. So that's like
where also that where you gonna go. You're gonna go
(09:29):
work at IBM, incorporate and make that you know, well,
that's that's a thing. And also too, I'm too ambitious,
too curious, too alive to do nothing. So that that's
where where it got tricky for me, wasn't you know?
Was that that? You know, fear sets in. Fear sets in,
and you've got to really fight that because if you
just let it breathe, you realize that, Like you know,
(09:51):
I think you even said after three or four days,
you just sound so different, you sound happy, because the
first couple of days I was panicked. No, I know,
you sometimes just have to jump to fly now. Dorinda
was maybe pushed out of the plane, but she chose
to fly. And the thing I think is that it
made you a little more relevant and interesting. For some reason.
You were clumped in with a group just like me
in a way, and somehow the way you left for
(10:16):
you more than anyone. Because everybody, and this is for
people who get broken up with by the way, people
who get let go, there's something nice about being honest,
like it's liberating and you there's nothing to hide behind.
And so many people in the same experience that you've
gone through, with similar popularity, have tried to be like,
you know, no, it was mutual. I broke up with them,
blah blah blah. Have spent so much time about that,
(10:36):
and it hasn't seemed genuine. The message doesn't come across,
and it doesn't seem confident. Like something about the way
you've left seems very confident. It seems very liberated, It
seems honest, and it seems empowering, and it honestly seems
like you're more relevant. I don't know why, but it
just came out, Kay, came out good. I was really
surprised and pleased how the audience spoke for me exactly
(10:58):
like I was really like, Wow, I was loved because
you forget that I didn't even realize how beloved you are.
It makes sense that you are because you're such so
iconic and a broad and funny and honest, and you're
like someone's fun like aunt in a good way. But
I want to have you back. I think you're amazing
and I would love for you to be my Robin
anytime you want to do it. This is amazing. I
(11:18):
think talking to healing, and you explore yourself as well
as you know, just opening up its healing. So I
love it all. You know me, I mentioned it all.
Stay with me because I'll be talking to Paris Hilton
when we come back after the break. Well, today's discussion
(11:44):
with Paris takes me full circle. I'm going to be
talking to Paris Hilton, who I used to babysit and
nanny before she was the incredible boss businesswoman that she
is now. So she now has nineteen product brands in fragrances, skincare, fashion, makeup,
and more. She is a DJ who performs around the world,
(12:06):
and most recently, she was the subject of a documentary
on YouTube called This Is Paris. This is Paris is unbelievable.
She is just unfiltered, raw, she goes there, she lets
you see really the other side. So basically this interview
is just real Paris, and we've never heard her like
this before. And I'm just honored and grateful that I
(12:28):
got to have this opportunity to talk to her. So
let's get into it. How are you good? How are
you baby? I'm good. I have to tell you that
I finished the documentary last night and I didn't really sleep.
I was. It really was spectacular, Like I can't believe
(12:51):
how good it was. I mean literally, I texted your mom,
I texted Nikki. I couldn't believe how good it was.
I was actually moved, and I just it was so
real and so courageous and just so not forced. Yeah.
I think it's definitely the first time I've actually been
my true self and I was just so open and honest,
(13:12):
and they're really just put it all out there in
ways that I never have in my life. Do you
feel free a little more? Just like liberated? Lighter? How
do you feel? Definitely? I feel, which is like a
way has been lifted off my shoulders. Just something that
you know, I've been holding in for so long, you know,
and just to kind of release that from me. And
(13:35):
now I've seen the film so many times, just watching
it and also just seeing how how different I was
even last year, because when you're living that life and
you're traveling constantly, you don't really realize it. But after
literally just watching myself and just seeing just how stressed
out I was, how lonely I was, just how I
was going through so much, and now today to be
(13:57):
in such a different mindset and it just it may
makes me feel I'm just really happy and also really
proud of just the woman I am and what I've
been through and how strong I am. I think it's amazing.
And I also like that you refer to yourself as
a woman, because I mean, you look so young and
just watch you know, you're always sort of like flitting
through life and it seems so effortless and carefree, and
you're a serious businesswoman, And I want to know do
(14:20):
you think of yourself like that? Do you think of
yourself as a serious businesswoman? Yes, definitely. I also always
going to be a kid at heart, That's just how
I am. But I and I now I'm like a
full grown up Yes, do you absolutely are? And I
don't think most people know that I met your I
(14:42):
met your aunt Kyle at Loscalo where you used to
go with your whole family, um for chop salads, and
I was the hostess, and um, your mom needed a
someone to help her at the staircase, which I saw
for a second in the documentary, and I was wrapping gifts.
She had this store with all these ornaments and like
all this chop skis, which I am like least two.
I don't have a single extra thing. And then part
(15:05):
of the job became coming to in my forward probe
to get you and Nikki from Lisa from this sort
of like fancy French school. And I remember we'd go
with Kyle like to the like mobile mar to the
gas station after and I would take you guys ice skating,
and I can't remember do you remember that because you
were young? Do you you do? So? I would take
(15:27):
you to go get ferrets at the pet store at
Century City, and Nicky would want to go to Rampage,
which was sort of like, I don't know, it's like
what is what was? What is ramp Do you remember Rampage?
That story Rampage is like the forever one of today. Right, Okay,
that's exactly I could gets exactly the way, exactly what
it was. That's so funny just to remember all of that,
(15:48):
and it's so cute that we've known each other for
so long and look how far you've come, Boss Bit
and now Nanny the Paris Talker and now killing it.
It's it's crazy. And yeah, I mean I see watching
the documentary, I see a lot of similarities in our lives.
I mean I've had a definitely unsavory aspects of my
(16:09):
childhood and I relate to you. Um, I relate to
you not sleeping and that being like a mania, like
something that's maddening inside. I mean, yes, you had specific
reasons for that, as do I, but just like you
not being able to turn your mind off because you're
always activated, always working. You know, I want to know
how you view like old school hard work and how
(16:32):
hard do you actually work and what does that mean?
Like how do how do you apply that? Um? Well,
I feel very blessed to have grown up in a
family that is full of entrepreneurs and you know, businessmen,
and just looking up to my great grandfather, my grandfather
and my father. They were always my mentors growing up
and I always wanted to make them proud, and it
(16:55):
was always a lot to live up to. Just with
the Hilton name. What I went through, you definitely gave
me that drive to want to become independent and to
want to not just be known as the Hilton Hotel granddaughter.
I always have this drive to be known as Paris
and build my own brand separate from my family. So
(17:16):
it's it's obvious it's taken a lot of work. Ever
since I was a teenager, I've been working NonStop with
all my traveling and just constantly every single day. It's
it's something different because I have nineteen product lines. I
do music, I d J, I am a businesswoman, I
am a brand, I'm an artist. It's just NonStop every
(17:38):
single day. It's very very intense and it's activating. It's
like absolutely you're you're just on all the time. It's
time or money more valuable to you. Now. I know
money is important and I know that you're working hard,
but for me, for example, doing something has to be
so worth it. My life has just been so NonStop,
so I never really had a second to just think
(17:59):
about it. It's all been about my business and my work.
And now I you know, I obviously I still have
that drive. I love to work, but I also value
my time a lot more. I'm really more focused on
things that are more important in my life, like my relationship,
moving on to the next phase of my life, and
(18:20):
continuing to be that businesswoman, but not you know, to
be everywhere and going to a visa and like you know,
living out there and touring and just this really hectic
schedule where I really couldn't focus on myself. I really
just want to be happy with what I've created and
and not focus so much on you know, like the
(18:41):
monetary aspect of it. Well, it's funny because I think
of it as buckets, where I say, I'd rather have
six buckets really full, then twenty buckets, you know, just
like half full, meaning like the really like if your
relationship is one bucket, it's something quality you can invest in.
If this other business opportunity isn't such a time stuff,
but it really has a big return on your investment,
(19:02):
then that's a good bucket to fill. Are you capable
of being present and being in the moment, meaning without stimulation,
without the phone, without calling someone, without just being present.
Um Now I am more than ever. I think before
I was just so addicted to being on the phone
and on social media, and like you said, like getting
stuck in these rabbit holes where you're like on Instagram
(19:23):
or looking in you know, all the online shops and
just kind of getting distracted in that way. Um. So
now I take time where I just put my phone away.
And that's like a rule that my boyfriend and I have,
like we always want to be there and have that
time together. So during dinners or when we'rever together, we
both don't even take our phones out because we're just
(19:45):
really talking at each other. And I've never been that
way before, Like I've always need time i've been at
dinner or anything, I've literally been on the phone maybe
eighty percent of the time. Um. But now I'm just
in such a great place and I really enjoy my
conversations with my boy friends. So I don't really care
to look at my phone like I used to, which
is interesting because if you're just looking at your phone,
(20:06):
you're like in your own head, in your own life.
If you're talking to somebody else, you're learning from them,
you're growing. It's sort of like you're not just in
your hole with yourself, which I think is is a
great note for people too. And for sure, Well, have
you noticed the difference in your business and the way
that you're working. Are you working you know, smarter in
being more present in that way? Definitely? I used to
(20:27):
have nightmares every single night, and now my nightmares have
went away. I think from the film just talking about
my experiences and everything I've went through that really helped.
And I'm just so happy. It's hard to describe. That's amazing.
Never thought I could feel this way. That's a beautiful thing.
Everyone deserves to be happy. And it might just be
(20:49):
your transition in your time, you know, you might just
be finally blossoming. And this is like a good chapter. Yes,
all right, So you started out on the Simple Life
when you were sixteen and you now have a major
(21:10):
empire with multiple product lines and businesses, and I want
to understand how you went from what could easily have
been a superficial, passing socialite moment to who you are today. Well,
when I was on the Simple Life, I you know,
before I made that decision, I reality TV was so new,
there was nothing out There was basically the first of
(21:31):
its kind, so I didn't know what I was getting
myself into, but I went for it. And then when
the show aired and had thirteen million viewers and was
you know, such a huge success. At that moment, I
realized this is my platform to help me build my
business and my brand. And while I was, you know,
(21:53):
just doing the show and doing everything, I started really
thinking about what my next steps were. And that's when
I went and met with all the Fragrance companies and
did my first deal with car Lux, and now today
I have just released my twenty seven Fragrance UM So yeah,
I think The Simple Life was definitely that turning point
in my life where I knew with this platform, I
(22:15):
could build a huge business. So that's interesting for people
that are listening that aren't on TV, that may not
be on Instagram, that you is. We have the same thing.
So what I'm finding is through interviewing really successful people
that there are just similar things that I have in
common or that we all have in common that are
just coming out and I want to know, how are
you the talent and also the CEO. Well, since the
(22:36):
beginning of my career, I've that's how it's always been
I feel like I'm like kind of like this walking
live billboard brand for my business and my brand. So
I've always had to be the CEO and being in
charge of my business because it's such, you know, a
like massive empire that I've built, and I feel that
if you really want things to get done in the
(22:57):
correct way, you need to do them yourself. So I
I'm just I'm there for all of it's It's it's
a lot that goes into it, especially when you have
to be that public person and you have to be
on all the time and and and really putting yourself
out there, and then also being in the boardroom doing
all my business with all my different brands and all
the companies I work with. Right, And it's funny that
(23:18):
you say that, because there's one thing I took away
there is that you do have to do it yourself like,
but there are other people around you in business that
you could trust, if I mean from like a creative
understanding your brand. Are there those people? Yeah, of course,
I'm there for everything I do, but I also have
amazing people helping you, you know, behind the scenes, supporting
me and helping make everything happen. Because you know, you know,
(23:42):
that's a really important part of being a businesswoman is
really putting together that team of people. If you don't
have the right team, it's it's just makes it so
much more difficult. And how hard is it to find
that it doesn't It take years and you have people
you can't trust and people that are morons, and how
long does it take to get your dream tame? Years
and years? It's it's really I've went through so many
(24:05):
different people, and I've been burned so many times, and
I've had people take advantage of me and steal from
me and lie to me and use my name as
It's just I've been through hell and back in that
area of my life, because it's it's really hard to
get someone that either understands you or that doesn't become
greedy and start trying to do these side deals without
(24:28):
telling you. It's just there's so much that goes into it,
and when before, when I was constantly traveling, it's hard
to really even know what they're doing behind the scenes
and what they're getting away with until everything always comes
to light. Though I feel that I always find out
when something is happening, I might not find out right away.
But you know, the truth always comes out agreed. And
(24:49):
it seems like you used to be much more open
and I was the same way. I trusted everybody, and
you've got to be you have to be a gangster
about it. You know, you can smell it. You can
smell it. You could just you know, when something feels wrong.
It could be off the littlest thing, the littlest charge,
the littlest weird thing. And then if that's one thing,
it's like if there's one rat, there's a hundred of them.
(25:10):
So then you're like, oh no, no, I gotta look
down this thing because this is and then I'm just
Once that happens, I'm done with the person. I can't
trust them, and that's when I just I can't have
them in my life or my circle. How decisive are you? So?
Sometimes for me, like I could take a long time
to order a pasta, but I could decide about my
business or buying a house in two seconds. So how
decisive are you? In business? I really just go with
(25:34):
my gut feeling. And even sometimes my team will be like,
I don't think you should do this, and I will
think of it because I'm always thinking of long term,
and I feel that a lot of people always think
short term because all they care about is the commission
on that one deal right away. And I don't know.
I've always been the type of person who thinks into
the future and thinks ten steps ahead. You're a big
(25:54):
picture thinker. If you could say, they're playing checkers in
your playing chess exactly. I love all your analogies. I'm
gonna some things. You can steal them. That's why I'm
giving them, so you can steal them. So you talk
about family and children, can you think about a relationship
partnership like the way that you invest in business, and
that specifically your business. I just mean with the same
sort of passion and intensity and capability as you as
(26:18):
you have in business in relationships. Because I asked myself
this question before, No, like before, I was only focused
on my work, and I think just the relationship part
of it was more me always pretending, like portraying like, oh,
this is the perfect life, have the perfect boyfriend, all
of that. But I was never truly happy because I
was just traveling. I was working so hard, so I
(26:40):
didn't really have time to invest into my relationship. It
was just all about my business, and you know now,
I I think that your relationship is the most important part,
and now, especially during this pandemic, to have so much
time together, I feel like the especially my boyfriend and I,
(27:00):
we have lived like what most couples would experience, like
in five years, in these past nine months together. So
it's broughten us so close. And I think your relationship
has to do with everything, your happiness, how you feel
the future of your family and your life. So I'm
(27:21):
investing more into my relationship now than I do into
my businesses because that's more important to me. Well, that's
an interesting gift from the pandemic. You had this intense
exploration that if you were distracted running everywhere, I might
not have gotten so deep in this time. Yes, definitely,
So that's a gift. Um, So explain your different path
from Nikki's, because you guys used to be one identity.
(27:43):
You were Paris and Nicki, Paris and Nicki, and you
really took different paths. And um, you know you're she's
portrayed even in the and it's not portrayed, it's maybe true.
I mean I know you both, and she's very calm.
I would say call her to silent assassin. She's very
calm and you know, but she's tough, Like I don't
think people realize how tough she is. Um and you
(28:06):
both have a lot of your mom and you and
your grandmother because you don't forget I knew your grandmother too.
You talk about her in the documentary. I remember her
hiding all her jewelry and the Manni's jar and like
she she was totally nuts and fun and like abroad
she was abroad, and I you know, I loved that
about her. How did that path separate? Had that path diverge? Yeah?
We started our career together as teenagers and we went
(28:28):
to Tokyo and that's when we started the brand of
the Hilton Sisters. And then as we grew up then
Nikki Nikki was always I think definitely when people see
the film, they're gonna see see what you decaid that
she's just such a boss, so strong, and she's always
even though she's my little sister, I've always looked up
to her like my big sister. She's always been the
(28:51):
one who just tells me how it is. And I
don't really have a lot of people in my life
who were like that. It's so true. And I think
she seems she comes off as hold, she's really thoughtful,
like I had, I had a loss, I lost my
fiance passed away, and you know, she really I could
tell she really felt it, like she felt really you
know bad. She really does care, and she also seems
(29:12):
like she cares about the people she cares about, and
then the rest she doesn't really you know, you have
that whole thing, you keep your circle tight, definitely, And
I think she also became that way because seeing me
go through so much and seeing me get burned by
people or just things that have happened to me, I
think have really affected her. And yeah, she does come
off like cold and stern, but actually she's just super
(29:35):
sensitive about things and it's just the way she is.
She's just such just a strong person. And I don't
know what I would do without her. One superficial question
about stuff, I feel like you need a c s oh,
a chief stuff officer. I could do that if I retire.
If she really all goes to ship with this podcast,
I could be a chief stuff officer. I would run
(29:57):
that ship like a tight ship. You have no idea
like I'd be this comes in that goes out this
goes here? Do you really give a shit about the
stuff of it? What are your three or a few
prize possessions that are not you know, not your pets,
not people like material objects? What would you? What are
your prize possessions? Um? My things I love. I love
(30:17):
my Slive mobile, which is my my BMW I, which
I had wrapped in like holographic. It looks like Unicorn
mermaid skin. It's like amazing. Okay, I love that. And
I love my twenty one birthday dress as something that
I love and cherish because I think it's just such
(30:39):
an iconic piece of fashion and like history. Okay, and
then what else do I love? I love my doggy mansion.
You have a dogy mansion. I love it because when
I was little, I just springs back so many memories. Um,
when we used to live at Stradella and bell Air,
we had this dollhouse that my parents had for us,
(31:01):
and I said, one day, when I have kids, I'm
going to build them a dollhouse like this. And because
I don't have kids yet, I built this house for
my for babies, my little dogs, and it's just it's
so cute because it's like a miniature version of my house.
It looks like exactly the same on the outside and
has like furniture and like really cute wallpaper and the
(31:22):
chandelier and it's just it's so cute. Oh, I love it.
And it's in l A. Yes, is that the house
that that Jacqueline Smith used to live in? That was
like the biggest thing that I could ever even imagine
back then. Yes, exactly. Oh my god. I'm so happy
for you, and I really know how much time this
means to you, and I just want people to really
understand how hard you have to work day and day
(31:45):
out to make it happen, which is also how people
decide whether to do it or not, because you've got
to be up first, their last, keep your eye on
the prize at all times. You know, you have your
eye on the prize, and that's why you're you know
where you are. Hard work is very important, but also
just being a good person, because I feel that a
lot of people when they do come in this industry,
(32:06):
they forget where they came from and they turn into
this different person and they end up thinking they're better
than people. And my mom always instilled that on me.
The night before the simple life airage. She said, when
this air is on Fox tomorrow, your life is going
to change forever. And I want you to remain and
stay the same, sweet, down to earth Paris that I
love and know and and not never let this get
(32:27):
to your head. And that's a piece of advice I
always used and always we'll use for the rest of
my life. And I'm so lucky to have that support
system of my family to give me that advice, because
I think a lot of kids in Hollywood they don't
have that support system with their family. And that's what
you'll that's the kind of parent you'll be, and you'll
just pay it forward and the cycle will continue like
(32:47):
it did with your grandmother passing all this wisdom onto you,
and you'll pass it on to your kids and so on.
So I thank you so much. Just I'm glad you
trusted me today because I you know, I just wanted
to know that the stuff that's really importan and that
really makes you you. So I appreciate it very much.
Thank you. It's so much fun talking with you. I
miss you, I love you. I love you too, Thank you, Paris.
(33:09):
I was going to see maybe Niki later, so she
asked me for a margarita recipe the other day, so
I guess she's not living on planet Earth, because I
don't know who doesn't know how to make a margharita.
But um, I will talk to her and tell her
how great it was, and I love you too, and
the best of success, and try to sleep same time
bed every night if you can when you can, because
I have the same issues. But we'll talk about that offline,
(33:30):
all right, excecause yes, bye the bye. I am so
happy about that interview. I just feel that people are misunderstood.
And you just see you can't judge a book by
its cover, you know. I mean you just have seen
(33:53):
Paris like a rhinestone shining and just being sort of
the original icon on and Paris Hilton talks no differently
and thinks no differently about business than Mark Cuban does.
And the the average person would not think you're putting
Mark Cuban and Paras Ulton in the same sentence. But
the truth of the matter is I had Paras Hilton
(34:13):
on the show because she is a business person. The
bottom line is there a certain tenants that everyone has,
which is like, if you want to do something right,
you have to do with yourself. It's that you have
to be working harder than anyone else. It's that you
can't really trust everybody. All these things. We're hearing these
from anyone, from Dana White, who's the head of the UFC,
(34:34):
to Bosama st John who is the head of marketing
at Netflix, to Paris Hilton. And that's what's fascinating to me.
So I'm loving it, and we're getting deeper and deeper,
and I'm really grateful. So thanks for listening. Remember to
come back next week and remember to rate, review, and subscribe.
And that's all I got. They kissed to you. Yeah.
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Brail Productions and Endeavor Content. Our executive producer is Samantha
Allison and our producer is Caroline Hamilton's Corry Proventer is
our consulting producer, with the ever faithful Sarah Katanac as
our assistant producer. Our development executive is Ni and R Boy.
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