Yvonne Strahovski Talks The Handmaid's Tale, Raising Two Boys, & Roe v. Wade

“The Handmaid's Tale” star Yvonne Strahovski joins Katie Lowes to chat about the pregnancies and labors of her two boys, work-life balance, and her thoughts on Roe v. Wade. 

 

Yvonne describes the moments when she found out she was pregnant, and how her first labor was different from her first. She also went into detail about how the transition was for her to go from having one child to two, and how she was able to juggle responsibilities while filming on set.

 

Plus, speaking of “The Handmaid's Tale,” what was Yvonne’s reaction when she heard about Roe v. Wade? Listen in for the answer.

Executive Producers: Sandie Bailey, Alex Alcheh, Lauren Hohman, Tyler Klang & Gabrielle Collins

Producer & Editor: Casby Bias

Associate Producer: Akiya McKnight

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda land Audio
in partnership with I Heart Radio. Okay, handmade s Tale.
Since we're in this arena, Uh, how what was your
reaction when you heard Roe v Wade? I know, we
don't even have to talk about it. That's a good

(00:23):
sound though. That really here? It is? Yeah, there it is.
I don't know. I mean, I to be honest, I mean,
is about to say that I wasn't surprised. I mean, no,
we shouldn't. It was leaked months ago. It was kind
of expected. I just it just is astounding to me. Hello, everybody,

(00:50):
Welcome back to Katie's Crib. I'm already in the midst
of conversation with our guest who I I mean, I
feel like I've been trying to talk to you about
your baby for such a long time because we first met.
I first met Ivan Starovski in line in an airport.
She was standing with her partner and her baby. Miss

(01:13):
Van has garnered critical acclaim for her role as Serena
Joy Waterford and who lose Emmy and Golden Globe winning
original series The Handmaid's Tale. She's netted Emmy nominations for
Outstanding Supporting Actress in the Drama Series, Golden Globe nomination
for Best Supporting Actress in the Series, Many Series, blah
blah blah to Screen Actors Guild Coombs. I mean, the

(01:34):
list goes on and on. She just recently started, alongside
Chris Pratt and Amazon Studio Films, The Tomorrow War. She's
started state list of six part TV series Oh Yeah,
that looks so good. That premiere on ABC UM Australia
in March. Previously, she was on Fox's twenty four Live
Another Day, Dexter Chuck, The Astronaut Wives Club. I mean,

(01:54):
good lord, let's just go. I mean, the resume is ridiculous. Films.
He's out there in Manhattan Night The Guilt Trip. She
is married to actor and producer Tim Lowden and is
a mom of two boys, William and Henry. Welcome to
Katie's crib. Hi, thank you so much for doing this.

(02:22):
Oh my gosh, thanks for asking me. This is super fun.
I was trying to remember as reminiscing on that time
that we met. I remember looking at you and you
just being like, oh my gosh, like I'm headed off
to like a family like sort of vacation. Which, as
you had said, it was not something to do. And
we were also heading on a family vacation and we

(02:43):
both had babies, and we were in line in the
airport and I feel like the line was long, and
you and I were both and I just ran up
to you and I was like, Hi, we're both actors
in Hollywood and we have similar hair and makeup people
who do our hair makeup for events. And I hear
you're cool, and oh my god, I'm such a huge
fan of your work. But we're in line, and I'm like,

(03:06):
this is not going to go great if this takes
like two hours. Yeah, it was. It was a while,
I remember standing in that line for a while too.
I remember talking to you guys. You guys were awesome.
Thank you such a great connection. Thank you for talking
to me and making that that's s line, snake line

(03:26):
move faster. I've been um so excited to talk to
you because since then you've had a second child. Did
you always want to be a mom? No, I didn't
always want to be I didn't either. Tell me how
you came to how it happened in your life. I
remember hitting an age like I think it was somewhere

(03:50):
in my early thirties, somewhere between thirty and thirty five.
I can't remember the exact age where literally suddenly I
just had the feeling like I whatever in my hormonal
situation changed and I just was like, oh, I must
have babies. I love that and I and I just

(04:12):
felt it and I hadn't really prior to that were
a lot of the friends you have in your life,
like were they also having children? Or had you worked
with actors that had kids? Or you really think it
was like your biological clock. No, I really think it
was my biological clock. I like I felt things change

(04:33):
in my body. I mean I always I remember working
with moms, you know, people in the makeup chair, who
would you know. I'd be like, hi, how are you
and they say, oh, you know, I haven't slepped, or
I slept for one hour, my baby was up, or
my child was you know, sac or this and that,
and I just remember thinking, how the fun do you
do this? I just remember thinking I would actually just

(04:55):
keel over and die and not be able to do
my job. And here I am, um with two doing
your job, not dead, doing like the not only like
a job, but like I would argue and we'll get
into this probably one of the hardest most. You have

(05:17):
a very demanding job. It's a very demanding project that
you're working on. It's not like you're going to work
on like a little in no offense, but like a
rom com or something where you're like laughing, yeah, like
a little like light thing where you don't really need
to like shake it off before you get home. It's
like you are living in this insane world that, sadly,

(05:38):
at the moment, is really mimicking our own. Um, can
you describe the moment when you and Tim found out
you were pregnant? Well, we were the first you mean, yeah,
where um having an argument of some kind. Um. I love,

(05:58):
were in the midst of of like sent my major five.
I really can't remember at all what it was about. Um,
And then I just remember going, you know, in the
middle of it. I just remember grabbing a pa stick
and just you know, I was peeing on the toilet,
um onto the stick, and and it suddenly changed into

(06:19):
you know, you're pregnant. There. I just remember me like,
oh oh, and it was like, um, I think I'm
I'm pregnant. It was totally unexpected because we've been. I
think we were we tried for four months or something
around it, Like I think we got pregnant in the

(06:39):
fourth the fifth month. Wonderful. It's pretty very quick. But
you know, I've been doing the pace stick thing for
you know, four months. I guess whatever, it's probably gonna
be negative. And and yeah it wasn't. So you knew
you wanted a baby and you were peeing on sticks,
which I did too, but you weren't like crazy about

(07:00):
on it. You were just sort of like we're in
this foray and we're in this. But it's really I'm
not like squeezing the experience, you know what I mean,
Like I'm not I mean, I'm horrible anyway when it
comes to like any time the doctor was like when's
your mine? From cycle? And was a lot time, Like
I don't know, I really like I cann't remember it
to say in my life, I just can't. I never

(07:20):
documented those things. I mean, have I probably been you know,
had we been at it for a year, I probably
would have to really really calculate right down, take notes.
But you were still in a very like relaxed receiving,
like surrendered state. What about the second time with Henry

(07:40):
Um same thing, although because I was breastfeeding, I breastfend
William for twenty six months, so he was two years
and two months when we did the lost feed. I
have to talk to you all about this because I'm
on vir is almost twenty months and I'm weaning her

(08:04):
now and I just decided, and it's horrible, Like, I
don't know why, what made you decide to wean? Okay,
we're going off topic, guys, but this is why I
have Katie's cribs so I can selfishly ask my own
questions for my own personal use. Just bear with me.
We'll get back on track. And two minutes, how did
you know it was time? I didn't. I didn't decide

(08:25):
it was time. I let my child decide. I was
just like, I didn't want to go through anything horrible.
I just remember, I mean, I follow a lot of
Instagram is like a great education, and that sounds weird.
I have so many women. Thank you to all the
women who share their stories on everything and both and
it's very amazing. It's amazing, you know. I just remember

(08:47):
seeing a lot of women, photos of women just bawling
their eyes out because they're weaning their child from breastfeeding
and how and reading the how to use and blah
blah blah, and I just thought, you know what I'm
doing that, I'm not doing it. I'm doing it my way.
I don't care when anybody says. I don't care what
my husband says. I just I'm going to do what
I feel and when my baby feels is right. And

(09:10):
so consequently I didn't follow anything. I just he just
started forgetting about like feeds usually like the first I
think it was the ones in the middle of the day,
and and I let him. I didn't say, you know,
I was just like, okay, he forgot. Yeah. You didn't
say like, oh, we didn't do this feed yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so you know the ones the last one to

(09:31):
go was the one before bed um, and then the
second last one to go was the first thing in
the morning one. Yeah, that's where I met. Now, I
met seven am, and I do the morning and the
night right, Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I would,
you know, he just didn't by himself. I didn't do anything.
And also like I did not I didn't stop him

(09:52):
when he didn't do it for three days and then
came back. Oh interesting, yeah, I just like, if he
if we did, if he forgot about it in the
mornings for three days in the row, and then on
the fourth day he was like, I want to do this.
I was like, okay, and then he forget and then
he'd come back, and then he forget for another few
days or a day, and then he'd come back and
then slowly, slowly, so it was just and then it

(10:13):
was over and that was it, and I never I
just didn't want to torment myself because I had an
amazing experience with breastfeeding. I loved it. I I was
very Yeah, I was really lucky. I just loved it.
I adored it. It was such an amazing connection for me.
I had milk. Different story. Now my left one with quit,
that's a whole another story. How do you know? How

(10:35):
do you know what's happening? How old is it? Wait?
How old is Henry? Seven months? And your left boob
is quit? How did you know he only want favors
one side? Well, now, yeah, because I've just kind of
phased it out. But because I'm pretty much exclusively breastfeeding,
and then when I'm at work that there were times
because work gets complicated, especially when you watch this season,

(10:57):
you'll see why. There were times where I couldn't God,
oh my god. But like Henry William and Henry Book
came to work with me every single day, so I
can continue breastfeeding, so I can continue making milk because
you know, we all know supply and demand there and
if you see your baby, and also if they're asking
for milk, you make milk. If they're not asking for

(11:19):
milk and you're not pumping, which, by the way, even
if you are pumping, that might not be the thing
that responds to your body because you need to see
the baby, you need to smell the baby, you need
It's different for everybody. So the babies are always with you,
and sometimes it's not possible for whatever reason is happening
this freaking season. Oh my god. So what so the boob,
So the left boob just quit. Well, it was always
pretty lame. Like when William, it was always like I

(11:42):
was like, you know, it was this much to like
this much, and then and then with Henry just kind
of went down to there and it was like a
few drops sometimes nothing. So when I pump, it's sometimes
nothing comes out. Sometimes I get a few drops. I
could go days without activating it. You know, I still
kind of I don't feed off of anymore. I still
pump it just because. Um but I'm yes, I'm a

(12:04):
one boob woman right now. Good for you. Are they
really different in size like they are? Wow? Guys, women
are fucking amazing. When you do a fitting on the
Handmaid's tail, are they like? Ha? No one makes a
bra that uh fits one boob that's varied in size
all day, depending on whether it's full or half full

(12:27):
or deflated. I remember the last season of Scandal I
have that. I well, I've got so many jobs since
then where I've fed my second kid, and it's like
they would have different bras in my trailer, different sizes
because I would sometimes be a B and sometimes be
a double D. It was like insane. Um, yeah, I don't.

(12:47):
It's crazy that I'm weaning. I'm turning forty in September.
I'm turning forty in July. Were the same year way maybe,
and I have I'm treating myself for the first time
ever to like a few trips by myself. I know,

(13:09):
it's kind of like what my soul has like called
in for me, like really strongly, and I just don't
want to pump there, like I want to go for
five or six days, and so I'm sort of getting
less and less on the feeds really gradually knowing that
in time when I go, that will be it as

(13:30):
sort of as celebrating I'm trying rather than being sad
about it, because I am also sad and emotional because
this is my last child, but I also I'm trying
to like make it celebratory, like, holy shit, I fed
two babies. It was one of the hard while working
full time jobs. Is one of the hardest things I
ever did in my entire life. And now I want

(13:52):
to celebrate and sort of like get back to my
own body being autonomously my own I'm just like a
strong pull towards that. But it is odd, like I
talked to her a lot about it, like in the afternoons,
I just started saying. She would pull and scream at me,
and I would say, oh, I'm so sorry. We're just
going to keep it till we're going to do it
in two hours, like right at night, right at night,

(14:14):
and then she doesn't. And that only happened for a day,
and now she never asks in the middle of the day. Anymore.
She just does morning and night. But good lord, is
this not so crazy? Hard? Like? What the hell? I No,
It's like there's so many feelings that exist in the
same space that are so contradictory. So it's crazy. Okay, guys,
we're back on track. Um okay, So seven eight months

(14:37):
and you're got you're the one boob wonder, which I love,
and that will continue on until Henry decides it's time. Yeah,
pretty much. Yeah. Has your second time experience been so
drastically different than your first time? Like even breastfeeding sounds
like it's different. Were your pregnancy is different? Yes? Oh
my gosh, well only in terms of intensity and was Yeah,

(15:00):
the first one was easier, I have to say with Henry.
But I had this weird um symptom. I've talked about
this a lot before. I had the spitting things, I
had excessive saliva. What wait, I've listened to so many
things you've done. I don't know if I've heard about that.
What is this? This is a pregnancy symptom? Yeah, I've
every the internet and the doctor says say that it

(15:24):
is a common um symptom. I've literally never actually met
a person who has had the same thing I've only
heard of like a friend of a friend who I
never met, who had a minor version of this. But
it's basically, it's, you know the moment right before you
puke and so much saliva in your mouth. Yeah yeah, yeah,

(15:46):
so so it's that moment, but all the time, so
you have to have it gone. Are you kidding me?
I'm not kidding you. It's it's horrendous. It is horrendous.
I had to have a cop um stuffed with shoe
or toilet paper or something constantly around me. This is
like on the Handmaid's tail. I remember. This is why
I couldn't even hide my pregnancy for very long, because

(16:08):
I had to spit in the cup for literally every minute.
I mean I could go the longest, maybe three minutes
without spinning in a cup like diagraaphals saliva and it's disgusting.
And so ten months with Henry, yes, not with William.
With Henry, it was the entire time, and it was

(16:28):
no joke. And I was shooting and promoting the Handmaids
in the Chris Pratt movie The Tomorrow War, and literally
like online zoom pr and this and that, and I
had like my little spitny cup up to the side
and just be like, you know, to pretend that how

(16:48):
did you know at first when those symptoms came on,
like you were like, this is really did you at
first just think it was like you feeling nausea or
like your body preparing to throw up for something like that,
And then you were like, no, this is weird. It's
just endless amounts of saliva. Yeah, weird. Hand it was
nausea as well, and I was throwing up. I didn't
throw up with William, but but but then once the

(17:09):
throwing up and the nausey a subsided, it's just the
saliva remained. And that's what I had with William too,
and it was very weird. And the other very weird
thing that happened with William before the saliva thing, I think,
was that, um, I started getting real grossed out by
my husband. I was really and I thought, oh my god,

(17:30):
what is going on. I remember not whatever his smell
is usually like yeah. I just was like, oh my god,
whatever is coming out of your pores is just so
so horrendous. And I we laugh about it now, but
but at the time I remember thinking, like a week

(17:51):
went by and I started, I had to google it.
I thought, this is something wrong with me, and of
course I realized, oh, this is a thing, and then
we had to laugh about it, and that kind of
went way. But the spitting that that that, and the
spitting went away with it. Probably, I want to say,
the first timester like sixteen weeks with William, but when
Henry the saliva just kept going and going. That is absolutely,

(18:13):
absolutely horrible. And we do have to say, I mean,
that is a very common thing that some women are
incredibly um the pheromones don't match up for whatever reason
they used to. And then, however, your sense of smell
is so piqud during pregnancy, and all of a sudden
your husband might be on that ship list along with

(18:33):
whatever else of like, don't even get near me. Although
I have a friend then and the polar opposite direction,
I have a friend who like could not be satiated
with enough sex while she was pregnant, like could not
be satiated, like literally waking up her husband in the
middle of the night being like, please, please, please help, help, help,

(18:57):
like I'm in big trouble, like please, just like I
need sex right now. And my husband heard this story
and so my entire both of my pregnancies. He was like,
when is it just going to start raining sex? Like
when does this like sex rain start? And I'm like, mm, sorry, honey,
Like I'm just not feeling that. I felt so bad.

(19:29):
So it sounds like your pregnancies were different symptomatically. I
know your births were drastically different, which is so cool,
And I would like to hear about that. Your birth
with William was in a hospital and your birth with
Henry was at home. Can you explain to me both
of those experiences and how that decision happened. Oh gosh,

(19:51):
I always thought I would be the person to have
a natural humbuth, but I was too scared to do
it the first time around because we are we don't
live close to the hospital, and so I just was
always like, oh, I was, you know, the old way
of thinking. Now it's different, but back then, I was like,
if something goes wrong, I'm not near a hospital. You know.
Since then, I've been educated on what are the actual

(20:13):
things that I do need to worry about. Um, Given
the pregnancy that I had, which was a healthy pregnancy
with William, it was a forty six hour long labor.
It was two days and two nights. I it was
kind of it ended up being all the things like
I didn't really want it to be, which which I

(20:34):
didn't really know at the time, Like I didn't really
know it wasn't sort of normal for a thing lady,
which sounds so stupid now, but to kind of change locations.
That was kind of one thing. Like I started at
home and I wanted to be there for a long
time in um, and that didn't really happen because we

(20:55):
got to the point where we all fought collectively that
we should go to my doctor's office and get checked,
and then we all thought that we were I was
going to have that baby by sundown. UM. So it's
not really I'm not like, you know, placing blame or anything.
This is just kind of helped panned out. So you know,
I'm moving from my house the forty five minute drive
into the office to get checked to them. You know, suddenly, Okay,

(21:18):
the baby's gonna come tonight probably, So then it didn't
make sense to go back home and made sense to
stay in town. So then I said, okay, well let's
get a hotel, which is you know, totally random. Oh
my god, this is so stressful. I'm so stressed. So
like I'm walking around the streets, you know, in town,
like you know, laboring with my dula, and while my

(21:40):
husband's kind of doing like the drive by in the car,
but you know, going to get sandwiches and like handing
drinks out the window, and and then you know, going
to make the hotel reservation. So it you know, it's
a lot of separating me from my husband who I
wanted to be with, and then and then getting into
the hotel. And so once we got into the hotel,

(22:01):
then it was kind of calm again. But then it
just kept going and going and going. So then I
was awake for a whole another night. The baby did
not come, and the you know, my doctor came midnight,
three am, six am, finally seven thirty in the morning.
The second day, it's like, okay, let's go over to
the hospital now, so then we're changing locations again, and

(22:22):
he still didn't come until five pm that you know,
the second day, and it was just a law. My
body was stalling, and I the hospital is a fabulous,
wonderful choice for other people, it wasn't for me. You
felt very stressed. You, I mean, it closes you off.

(22:43):
It feels like not safe. It feels safe for some people,
and it feels it feels unsafe and strange to you.
It felt very unsafe and strange me because I'm just
not I'm not like I'm super private person. I don't
really I don't, like, you know, if I see people
I don't know, and like my uterus is like not
bringing the baby out. And then and that's kind of

(23:04):
what happened. So I ended up having uh, you know,
potocin to kind of keep it going, and having my
water broken because it didn't break naturally or we didn't
wait long enough for it to break naturally. Also, I
ended up being so exhausted that an hour one when
they told me that the baby had turned unfavorably suddenly

(23:24):
because we broke the water manually. Then and then they
told me I had to be in a certain position,
I just kind of freaked out. And then at that
point I was falling asleep in between contractions, and I mean, like,
you know, you have the sixty seconds in between the
most intense ones at the end, and I was just
nodding off. It was just such chaos for me and

(23:46):
my body. And then ended up having an epidural right
at the end there to relax. I instantly fell asleep
when my body kept working for another five hours. He's
my husband going on a walk with Henry. Um and
you were very very you were very proud. We weren't
you forty two over forty two weeks? Right? Yeah? I
was seventeen days that were overdue. I mean, do days

(24:08):
so stupid decitely? So yeah, I was seventeen days overdue.
So um. I didn't want to get induced either to
stop the whole birth process, and I didn't. But then,
you know, all those things happened in the hospital that
you know, I really didn't. I wanted to have like
a natural home book in a hospital, is what my
wish was. But unfortunately that did not happen for me.

(24:29):
And so when it came to the second baby, I
remember kind of feeling like I was very much putting
it off. I was very much putting off because I
think I had PTSD of you know, and I was
panicking about having to do it again in the hospital,
and I was very much procrastinating on making a decision
about the second one. And I just kind of had
to have a chat with myself and be like, no,

(24:51):
you're gonna listen to your inner gut voice. It is
telling you something. Your inner voice is telling you something,
and it was telling me to just stop calling friends whoever,
stopped talking about the potential of having a home both
and what it meant, and then led me to a
wonderful Duela who who worked with a particular midwife who

(25:15):
then I met with them and they really they were
so strong and firm and reassuring, and they allowed me
to instill more trust in myself and they educated me.
You know, I think people think of moms who you know,
women who both at home is like super crunchy, hippie whatever,
And that's not me I had. I had a ton

(25:37):
of fears. I I'm super conservative in terms of like
if something goes wrong, like we gotta go. Um you Also,
what I didn't understand about home birth thing until to
be honest, so many of my friends chose the home
birth route. During COVID people were really really scared of hospitals. Yeah,

(25:57):
it was a lot of during the timing of like
is your partner doula going to be allowed in the
hospital rooms? It was crazy. I had a lot of
friends choose home birth but what I didn't know what
I think is really cool. It's like you have to
be a candidate for a home birth. Like it's not
like anyone, like a really great dueler midwife is going
to take on anyone. It's like you have to have

(26:18):
had a pretty for all intensive purposes, normal healthy pregnancy
you have to have like there can't be like red flags,
you know what I mean. Like, so you're you were
a candidate because you had labored before, you had had
no real hiccups in your even though your first was

(26:38):
not how you intended, There really wasn't any huge issues
that your body didn't do the thing, you know, so
you are a perfect candidate for a home like you
could do it. The thing that was in the way
was did you think you could do it your head exactly,
which I think is part of the problem, right, Like
I think that's you know, we're conditioned to kind of

(27:00):
just think about all the things that could go wrong
versus looking at if you are lucky enough to have
a complication free pregnancy, You're not looking at all the
things that could potentially just go smoothly, and you know
in your body is just gonna do what it's supposed
to do, which is which is what I learned, and
quite frankly, I had the most profound experience ever. So

(27:24):
happy about that for you? It was it was so
it was ten hours. It was with my husband. I
was with him, like I mean, sitting on him with
him in the blow up pool in my bedroom right there.
And I know it, but it makes me emo too.
I mean, the most beautiful photo I should share it
to you know. It's not like you can't see my

(27:46):
bits ory, but but it's it was really romantic actually,
and I and it just kind of led me down
the path of um really setting it up so that
I could potentially have this profound birth experience at home.
Had something gone wrong, we were prepared to move and transfer,

(28:08):
but it didn't, and my body, I wanner broken whatever
time I was supposed to. I set it up so
that my two best friends were there looking after William
throughout the day, cooking, helping, you know, feed everybody, the
duel of the midwife. My doctor was gracious enough to
show up and be there just as ant backup person

(28:32):
after so you felt so supported. That's the other thing.
I just think if women felt very supported. The problem
with the birth industry is we're set up to that
we don't know anything. I mean, it's not on the
birth of thing. I mean, this is a really big statement,
but it's it's women and all of our reproductive stuff

(28:53):
the whole fucking time were set up as young girls
to like not know. I mean, I remember the first
time I was even trying to get ignant and this
fertility acupuncturist was talking to me, like at length about
what the liquids coming out of my vagina really mean
of where I'm at in my cycle. And I was like, oh,
I've never known that, Like no one's tee, you know

(29:14):
what I mean. Like, and she was like, that's crazy
that you don't know what your own body is doing,
do you know what I mean? But it's like we
aren't taught, like you know, Like it's it's because we
don't talk about it, and we don't talk about sex,
and we don't talk about ovulating, and we don't talk
about that, you know. I also have had so many
friends that had Now I'm not saying you did not

(29:34):
have a traumatic I mean you had you did not
have a traumatic first labor experience in that, Thank god,
nothing really bad happened. But I've had friends who have
had traumatic and also just first birth experiences that that
not that did not go how they intended or wished,
And it's been really cool to be along journeys of

(29:57):
second times to watch them heal that. Yeah, I mean,
I yes, and I hear, I totally hear that. I
relate to it on a level where I had an
experience where my body was climbing up and that was
my not ideal kind of situation, and this was my
opportunity to heal that and and have like a redo

(30:19):
and um, and how amazing it was to just kind
of let my just get out of my head and
let my body do what it was supposed to do.
And like, I'll just never forget. I'll never forget feeling
my baby coming out of the booth canal and and
and and going wow, I don't have to do anything.

(30:41):
There's no pushing here, there's no there's nothing, there's nothing
I can do. My body is going to thunder this
child out of me, and it's going to have this
earthquake and then stop. It doesn't matter if I push
or not. It's gonna stop. It's going to allow me
to expand more. It's going to keep doing it and
it's going to stop again. And I just remember being

(31:02):
so present with this moment and in all of just like, oh,
this is what your body does by itself. We don't
and I just and it's so seems so crazy to
me that at thought and that I'm like, oh, now
I know, like no one told me that, you know,

(31:25):
it's it's just one of it. Just now I know now,
And I was. I lived it. It's such a stupid question.
Was it painful? I mean at the time, I remember
being an extraordinary discomfort, and I remember thinking, I remember
sitting in that pool on top of my husband in
the last you know, ten minutes, and thinking, oh, I
think I might poss out from the amount, like I

(31:47):
don't know if I can handle this. And then but
then but then you do you do? And and I
and and thank God for the Hypnobos thing. Also, Yeah,
I want to talk to you about that. I read
that you did explain that that journey and what that
is for our listeners who don't know. Yeah, I mean listen,
and I think I think listeners TU know. I'm not
I don't meditate, I don't I'm not like, I sits

(32:10):
still kind of person I never happened, and I sadly
never will be. Probably, uh yeah, we're hitting forty. We're
hitting forty. I think we may not well, who knows,
let's talk again. It like maybe it's sixty. We're gonna
fucking be rocking meditation. Who knows a silent retreat? Yes,
um no. I was never that person. And so, you know,

(32:32):
the midwife was like, you know, you should try it,
try it, And so I told I'm just gonna If
I'm gonna do this, I'm just gonna commit to the
whole thing. And so I started listening to Hypno Birthing
and I did it all out of order. I think
you follow the CD because it meshed it all up
on my iTunes and I was like, okay, I'll just
like pick whatever I'm in the mood for based on
the title. And that's what I did whenever I felt

(32:53):
like it at night as I was going to sleep.
I didn't do it in the present state of you know,
awakness or anything. I did it. I just kind of
did it my way and then and then lo and
behold that lady's voice. For the ten hours I just
had I had her in my EarPods and then I
dropped my earpuds and a bucket of womite because I
vomited while I was saying um. And then thankfully they

(33:14):
still work, They're still here. Shout out to earbuds, okay um.
So so then I just had her on in the
background and it the affirmations, it just got me through.
It was that, it just it just kind of was
do you remember what some of the affirmations are. Yeah,
I think the biggest one is you are going to

(33:35):
meet your baby now. Your baby is here. Your baby
is right here, and you are going to meet your baby.
And your book is going to be exactly what it
is going to be. And we're in acceptance of that.
If it were fluid, we're flowing. And and there was

(33:58):
there was this bit about hypno and a no no
like hypno anesthesia, and there was it's a different time
and I'm forgetting it now, but it was about creating
your own um pain medication through your energy and your body.
And and although I mean, listen, you still feel pain,

(34:18):
I'm not going to be listed in here and be like,
oh it was magic. I didn't feel anything at all.
Of course, I felt all the things, but there was
in my mind I had a certain level of control
over it, which is what I did not happen the
first one I had, and I felt it in the
first one. I felt like I had been controlling it
to a certain point by myself, and then I just

(34:40):
lost control because things got chaotic and there wasn't that baseline.
And this the hypno birthing track, allowed me to kind
of have a baseline. And but also I had the
support team. I worked hard to set it up. I
worked hard to plan meticulously for this to happened in

(35:01):
and to be supported, and I followed my gut every
step of the way because it was important to me
to just give it a shot, to at least give
it a shot. And hey, if something had gone with
my baby's hotby had gone up, we would have been
in the car, we would have been going to the
hospital straight away and it would have been handled. But
you know, there were certain things like what if the
baby's cord is wrapped around its neck and da da

(35:23):
da da da, And it was. But I learned that
your baby isn't breathing through here, yea, when it comes out,
it's breathing through that chord, and unless the cord itself
is totally twisted and clamped shop, then it's fine. The
baby comes out. We unwrapped the cord and I listened

(35:43):
and learned and educated myself. How fucking cool. I am
so stoked for you. I'm just so stoked for you
and everything you learned about yourself and what you achieved.
And oh wait, I have another joan hold on. Was William?
So you had friends over to watch William? Was he

(36:05):
how did he take it? Was he there for the
actual birth moment? Did you want him to not be around? What?
Tell me explain how that worked out. I wanted him
to be in the home, in the space with us,
but I didn't. I wasn't going to force him, you know.
I said to my bestees, Look, if he says, oh
can I go see mom, then come right on in,

(36:26):
you know. And if he doesn't, then then he doesn't.
And he didn't. It was really interesting because I'm sure
he heard me, you know, vocally walking through the contractions. Um,
but he was so he was just thrilled he had doors.
My two best friends like adoors them, So I think
he was like so thrilled that they were there. For him. Yeah,
He's like, this is the best day. Yeah, sure, sure, sure, yeah,

(36:48):
but he did. So what it was, it was amazing
because what you know, Henry finally you know, came out
and then one of my best sees was upstairs grabbing
something um for William from his room. But we we
live in a small two bedroom apartment, so um, and
it's and it's two levels and and she heard, you know,

(37:09):
you know, and he you know, he's here. And then
so they kind of came upstairs and I could hear
them outside the door, and I was like, come in,
come in. So, I mean, it was beautiful. My my
two best friends and my son came in, you know,
my husband and I were the new baby is sitting
in the pool. Um, you know, all the all the
garden or whatever, and you know, it's blood and all

(37:29):
that was. He freaked out by it. Was it freaked
out by it, not one bit. He came right in
and he said, can I have him? And I said yes,
he's he's yours. He's like, can I hold on myself?
Well maybe not just right now, but but yet you know,
and he was really, you know, he was he just
loved it. It was a beautiful moment for for all

(37:50):
of us as a as a family. I don't feel
really extraordinarily lucky that I got to have this moment
and share the people who you know, truly like closest
to me. I absolutely love this so much. Um, can
you explain to me the moment if you can remember
the moment when you first saw William for the first time,

(38:13):
in the moment when you first saw Henry. Um there.
I mean, I guess they're pretty similar. I both of them.
I was I was worried because they were both quiet
when they came out initially, and so my first instinct was,
I think in both because I have you know, the
videos of both, and then both of them and the

(38:34):
first thing out of my mouth is, oh my gosh,
is he okay? Is he breathing? Is he okay? And
and um and of course I think that's very normal
and that's so normal. Yeah, you're just like, did we
do it? Is they? Are they okay? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah
yeah yeah. And with William, we had the maconium, so
he got you know, because we're in the hospital. Then
there was you know, four ni cute people standing right there,

(38:56):
so you know, I got had like a two second
moment with him, and then they went to him make
sure that the maconium didn't affect him, which it didn't, thankfully.
So then I got him you know, back straight away,
and then it was and then it was he immediately
wanted to latch and just you know, it was really cute. Um.
And then Henry was super quiet. I remember saying the
same thing as he okay, is he okay? And I

(39:17):
remember the midweb for the door saying, you know, talked
to him, talk to me, talked to him, and I
was I was like hi, and then I just remember
being so overwhelmed with like I had a moment of
oh my god, I pulled this off. Oh my god,
Like I'm sitting in my bedroom and and I and I,
oh my god, like I actually did it. And so

(39:39):
I don't think there was a moment where I'm like,
oh my god. Um, you know, I can't believe, can't
believe you know this is happening. And um, were you
super um passed your do date for Henry as well?
I was one week. Yeah, over forty one weeks. We're

(39:59):
still in this crazy system where as women there's these
rules if you go over I'm lucky. I feel like
I have the only actual overdian mail over Dan in
l A who allowed me to allow me to go
over oh yeah my, oh yeah my. And I know
most Obie's, especially if you're over thirty five, will not

(40:21):
allow you to go one day over forty some a
very few will let you go to forty one. Even
fewer will let you go to forty two. I've never
heard of anyone going over forty two, So bravo to
your And the only reason we're saying all of this
is because, again I don't know if it's insurance purposes
or why there's a do date thing, but it's really insane.

(40:47):
I mean, it should be a birthing window that's like
two or three weeks before your do date and two
or three weeks after your do date. You know that's
really And your kids weren't huge either, right, because then
there's this whole pressure of oh god, if you're going
for to two weeks, you're gonna be breathing a ten pounder.
I mean, I broke a nine point one pounder at home,
and yes, it's doable. And though you know, like I mean,

(41:11):
it was fine, it's fine. And William was six pounds
eleven announces and they thought he was going to be
huge and he wasn't. But Henry was um so, But yeah,
I agree with you. Whatever the system is does not
support what is actually happening biologically, including the whole thing
about I mean, you know what animal moves from location

(41:33):
to location in the middle of labor. No, they go,
they nest, they find the spot. We were the same,
This was the same thing. And it's just crazy to
me that we're not set up better and it's just
all legalities and a dozen't serve us in the way
that it could. It really could. I'm not saying the

(41:56):
hospital is about. Hospital is fantastic. They save lives, they
say babies. I mean, it's just we need that. But
what I'm saying is there's a better way to give
birth support and give birth and support support. Yeah, And
it's a lot of it's very fear based, is the problem.

(42:16):
Very fear based. It's very feary based, which is just
always like, well, no, like you gotta like we don't,
we can't, you can't go a few days over like
we're not doing that. And then you know, all my
friends are rushing to get their cervix scraped to induce,
you know, because they're just like flipping out about getting
trying to not have an induction happened, you know what

(42:38):
I mean? Yeah, and and and it's like if we
just if we just calm and wait, if we just wait,
if we just wait, they'll decide, they'll decide. Yeah. I mean,
I think it's, you know, the fear thing. I mean,
I think it's important to mention like I never as
I was both thing, I still had major fears. And
I remember the only at home riot. So when the

(42:58):
only moment of labor in the in the middle of
the wee hours of the morning, I remember asking for
the dueler to come upstairs. I was in the bed
and I and I remember thinking to myself, you have
to say this outlaud, do not carry this fear into
the next hour. And I said, I'm I'm really scared.
I don't know if I can do this, Like I'm

(43:19):
what am I? What am I doing? I don't know
if I can do this at home? And it was
all this old, you know that the way that we're
kind of raised to think I'm doing something wrong. I'm
doing something wrong, I'm doing something to put myself and
my baby in danger exactly, and then asked the most
amazing you know team and they just filled me with

(43:41):
just calm power again and leveled me out and I
and I was like, Okay, I'm going to lean into that.
I'm going to lean into the people that are trust
around me. And the hypnoba thing, even though I still
had my own fears in it, and I got through it.
I gone through it, but um, and then it's just amazing. UM.

(44:13):
Knowing now from both of your experiences, what would you
recommend other mothers do in order to be more educated
about the process. I would for sure recommend seeking all
kinds of both stories, Like, there are so many and

(44:36):
they're all so different, and you don't know what is
going to happen to you. You have no idea. But
I feel like if you're the kind of person who
would like to trust your body, and if you are
the kind of person who has a healthy pregnancy, I
would encourage you to look into you know, setting yourself

(44:59):
up to experience it as naturally as possible. It is
absolutely profound to understand and experience what your body is
designed to do. I mean, there was an Instagram handle
that I followed called Down to Birth and um and
since then I've I've met the ladies on on the

(45:20):
Zoom and I shared, Oh I listened, it was it's
such a great episode for everybody listening Down to Birth
with Devon. And again, I'm like super private, but this
is something that I feel is really important to share
because this, this is the reason why I ended up
at home with my pregnancy, you know, both at home.
It's because there were other women who were amazing enough

(45:41):
to sit there on Instagram and share their stories and
videos of you know, I saw women bothing in their
pools and in their bods and like and just sharing
and I got really inspired and I just kept thinking, well,
if someone else can do it, then why can't I.
I can. I can do this and educate yourself and
speak to all kinds of providers, listen to the super

(46:05):
conceptive people. Yeah, where you only know where you fall.
And that's what's like you said, Instagram actually like can
be a great source of figure like listening and finding
other stories and seeing what feels right to you. We
had Casey Wilson on this podcast, who's a good friend
and I love her so much, and she was on

(46:26):
this podcast and she was like, oh no, no, I
think I can go down at Cedars as the only
person that's ever walked in at zero centimeters dilated and
saying I'd like my epidural now. And they were like, oh,
but you're not even um, not even at one, Like
do care? She was like, oh, no, no no, no, I
don't care. I don't. I don't want to feel anything,
do you know what I mean? Like, so, it's but

(46:48):
she knows that about herself through and fucking through. She
was like, I want my kid and I want to
watch twenty hours or forty five hours of house Wives
and I'm taking my child home. I don't I'm not
interested in this, do you know what I mean? But
she has known that about herself. It's like, so you
hear these stories like on this podcast for a raise

(47:10):
for people, and if you just quiet your mind and
all the outside people and really get honest with yourself
of what feels best to you, then you can make choices. Um,
how is your postpartum experience with both William and Henry?
Did you have blues or any depression, any anxiety, any

(47:31):
of that stuff. No? I did not. I was really
I think my happy hormones were really in my favor
for both times, and thank god because I gave birth
and then I then we got kicked out of our
apartment because of the fires that were going on in

(47:54):
that year and just from the giants smoke thing coming
over the Santa Monica Mountains. And I remember thinking, oh
my god, we got and that the neighbor was knocking
on the door at seven am saying, you guys need
to leave. Oh my god, and he was I think
he was four, he was four weeks old, and so
I was like, oh god, okay, So we like, I

(48:15):
just remember grabbing just photos and albums, and I forgot
really to pack my own clothes, but I was packed
the babies, and I took all the sentimental stuff in
the suitcase. We chucked it in the car, and then
we sat in traffic on the PC trying to get
out um for two and a half hours whould normally
take twenty minutes to get out to where we were going,
and and the you know, the newborn, and and so

(48:41):
we we left, and then and then we couldn't go
home for two weeks, and then it was time to
come to Canada for half a year to shoot The
Handmaid's Tale. So I remember we just went home for
a night. We tried to go home earlier. It was
filled with smoke, so we couldn't say that, and we well,
I guess we're not, you know, we can't deal with
this now, so we we we had to like the
thirty five loads of laundry, rewash all the baby clothes

(49:03):
again they were left and everything, and then ha and
like lave to Canada. And so he was six weeks
or six and a half weeks. And and then because
they had started work already, like they were a month
into the season, they were very much catching up on
all the serena scenes. Yeah, so it's like you were
showing up. You were showing up and you were going

(49:25):
to be put the funk to work. It's not like
you were showing up and you would be light. It's like, no,
they were already doing you, like the solid by like
giving pushing all your scenes to be after to give
you some time. And then when did you actually show
up back to work? How old was he? No, he
was like six weeks. Oh my god. So yeah, it

(49:52):
was intense. It was like and then it was God,
you didn't have postpartum depression. Are you fucking kidding? That
would not have been possible. No, I know, like they
were literally depending on you to have your wits about
you and all the serotonin in the fucking world and
the love drug. What how was Can you explain to

(50:13):
me your going back to work feelings? Were you upset?
Where you Was it so hard? Were you? Oh? My god, like,
I'm I'm in shock. Six weeks that's really hard. It's
it was hard. I wanted I did want more time.
I initially, uh it was it was kind of supposed
to be a little bit more time, and it didn't

(50:35):
end up being that way. So I but at the time,
I just remember thinking, I just thought I just got
to get through this. And I remember, you know, sleeping
like whatever will maybe us to wake up every hour
to every two hours and that and that like that
went on for two years, basically like him and I
didn't sleep for two years, but was waking up with
the two hours and I would go to work. And

(50:58):
so for the first month that was you know, fifteen
sixteen hour days. You're showing up your in hair and
makeup for an hour and half and then you're doing
your twelve hour shoot day I was definitely on my pregnancy,
my both high, probably because it was what was calling through.
So I just remember being on set and you know,
being serena joying like uh, you know, screaming and like
crying and then going back to the trailer and be like,

(51:20):
OHI my baby, my babe, and feeding and feeding being
my husband and then back to the serena. Joran, was
your husband, did you have a net? Did you have help?
Was it just your husband? My husband is a saint,
blessed him, was there the entire time, so I had
I mean if I talked about feeling supported in, you know,
really having our little family units. So we got through that.

(51:43):
I did end up heeling over in at the end
of the fourth week. I remember, I literally remember kind
of just kind of stumbling. I remember and Owd holding
holding me up and being like, honey, you need to sleep.
And I remember losing coming in and being like, listen,
take tomorrow, don't worry about it. And we did. We

(52:07):
had to take a day because it was it was
really hard. I mean, I started having ocular migraines. I
remember doing a scene with Joe and he plays commander
what if in my husband? And I remember the ocular
Migraine came on and I sold the kaleidoscope go through
my vision, and then I just sold black and I

(52:28):
essentially was like blind and we were still in the
scene and I actual remembered acting through it and at
the end just saying I'm so sorry. I just I
can't really see, and I my body was just I
mean screaming at me. You need more sleep. But thank god,
you know, my my mood and my hormones were really

(52:48):
working for me in my favor. I think that I
I wrote them out and for a year, I mean
we did. We finished Handmaids. We went back to l A.
We packed our bags and three days later we were
on a plane to Australia to shoot State List. Oh
my good lord, have mercy Von you have not stopped?

(53:09):
Have you stopped since then? Oh? I guess the pandemic?
Oh wow, wow? Can you explain to me go back?
Has your have your kids ever asked like, mommy, are
you okay? Like if you ever come back to that
now that williams older and Henry how old are they
now at the time of this podcast? Henry is seven months,

(53:34):
William is what month are we in? And July? Yeah, yeah,
who the hell even knows July, so he will be
four in October, so he's three and a half. He's
be four, yeah, and I'll be alb five. So when
does he ever come into your trailer or is he
allowed on set? Well since COVID no, right, you know,

(54:00):
well he has been this year. But we but we
also made it so that my husband, so we're all
I'll show tests every single day. Basically we get COVID
tested and we have to double mosque in the whole bit.
So my husband is on the testing rotation because and
then my mom was living us for a little bit,
so she was helping um. And then so we were

(54:22):
all on the testing you know, schedule as if we're employees,
you know, all of us good as you should be.
So then so then by default the kids would come
and visit, and William loves coming to work. He does
does he ever say like mommy, are you okay? Like
if he ever has he ever seen anything like scary

(54:42):
by accident scenes? No, no, no, he's not seen no
no good good yeah, good good good good good good Conde.
I would say that's probably like that's good, um, okay,
handmade s tale since we're in this arena. Uh how
what was your reaction when you heard roe v Wade?

(55:06):
I know, we don't even have to talk about it.
That's a good sound though, that really here it is? Yeah,
there it is. I don't know. I mean, I to
be honest, I mean, is it boat to say I
wasn't surprised. I mean, no, we shouldn't. It was leaked
months ago. It was kind of expected. I just it
just is astounding to me. I don't know that I've

(55:29):
fully had time to process it because things have been
so insanely in intense in my little bubble over here. Um.
But yeah, I mean, that's that sounds kind of encompasses
all of it. So many instagrams when when roe v
Wade got um overturned about Handmaid's Tale, I even posted

(55:52):
one like we're living somewhere in the middle of like
Handmaid's Tale all all the it's really really wild times
and I'm really hoping. I don't know, I can't even
was the transition more wild for you to go from
someone who doesn't have a baby to having a baby,

(56:14):
or was the transition of having one baby to now
being a mother of two, like which was the one
that really threw you in terms of everything the ladder.
Me too, me too, It's wild. I feel the same way, Like,
do you find it? How are you feeling with um

(56:34):
splitting your attention love all of that between two kids?
Does William feel any jealousy? How is he taking on
the big brother role? All of that? That's been hard?
That has been really really hard. I mean he's such
a beautiful smar, great kids. Um, but he's definitely he's

(56:58):
still you know, he feels it. I mean there was
a point in time you can hear Henry. Yeah, I
hear a little baby. I remember, you know, it was
like a honeymoon period for the first couple of days
when he was born. And then you know, day four,
we were all at the dinner table and Henry was
sleeping a little bastnet by my feet and he William
was just like and then he looked at Henry and said, Mom,

(57:20):
I don't want Henry at the dinner table, and can
you please put him back in your belly? And I
was like, okay, Um, I hear you, I see you,
I feel you. It's okay to have these feelings. It
was an ed I tell you what this is when
I really had got my education in validating feelings for

(57:41):
him and allowing him to have the space to retaliate
have his feelings, you know. And it's been a real
learning process, um and also kind of like reparenting myself
and learning how to parent in this modern way of

(58:02):
you know, we're not going to shy away from experiencing feelings,
I mean, or telling him like it's okay, you're fine,
You're fine. Right, It's like it's like no, no acknowledging
that he does feel these things and they're not they're
not to be shushed or pushed away. Yeah, exactly. So
it's been it's hard. I mean, you know, especially in

(58:24):
those super high intense moments where he's having some real
big feelings about it and you know he's like throwing
a plastic bothroom stool or whatever. You know, there's there's
those moments too, and and it's up to me. It's
my job to figure out what is he upset about.
You know, he's he can he's going to pull me

(58:44):
aside and the same mom I I feel a little
bit sad that your attention is split now between me.
He's going to act out in a different way, you know,
he's gonna act in a different way, which might look
like throwing a toy at the baby, or or having
a tantrum or blame, you know, having a feeling that
blows up somewhere else that's completely unrelated. But you're wise
enough to know, Oh, this is him being pissed that

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I can't give him my full attemption because I'm feeding
the baby. Yeah, I mean, and that bits hot because
like sometimes I'm not wise enough. Like sometimes, gosh, it's
hard because you're you know, you got you got you
and your your mom. You've got so many other things
going on, especially you know if you're juggling five things
in the day. And um, I think it's been amazing

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actually to to have had this opportunity to go down
this path with him. Like it's it's hard, but gosh,
like we all learn so much as we go. As
like a mom, I really have learned a lot about
myself as well, and I've you know, it really forces
you to really dig deep into yourself and come to

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understand your own little triggers and why you're taller sets
you off in a certain way. Oh my god, my
toddler is my greatest trigger I've ever had in my life.
It's he is my greatest joy, my greatest test, my

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greatest everything, Like it's unbelievable. My daughter, I don't feel
that way yet. It's weird. She's I feel like that's
coming for us. She's one and a half. But you
know what helped me a lot. I don't know, take
us or leave it. Another guest we had on Robin Eucolus.
This might be very woo woo, but once they start

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fighting over toys, which I'm at that age right, so
one and half and four and a half, so a
lot of it is they get along great and then
all of a sudden it's def con for over one
thing that they're having major conflict over. And then sometimes
that toy needs to take a break and the toy
has to have a time out, right, like no, we're
moving on to something else. But I constantly say to myself,

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this is really woo woo. But I do think it
helps rob been Nucholus, who was on this shoie. She
says to me, well, you know, your son chose to
be first and your daughter chose to be second, and
that's their journey and path to learn what they have
to learn. So sometimes I like, just let them figure it,
Like I don't even intervene. I'm just like let it
like they're going to figure it out, and that's her journey.
Like she's supposed to learn what she's supposed to learn

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as long as everyone's safe, do you know what I mean?
And he used to both learn what he's supposed to learn.
And yes, I try to encourage it half the time too,
but half the time I'm too tired, and I'm just like,
figure it out. I love you both so much, and
you love each other, and that's a huge value in
our family that when push comes to shove, we all
have each other's backs and we are such a team.
But also like, yeah, she's got to use her voice

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and fight for her place, and he's got to give
it up and learn how to share, you know what
I mean. And it's really fucking crazy. Okay, I don't
want to say, Okay, we have to finish up because
you have your baby crying in the background. What's the
best pit of parenting advice you've gotten. Oh my gosh, God,

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as as Henry is crying in the background and needing
you and you're one breast so badly. I mean the best,
but parenting advice is do it your way. You your gut,
listen to your gut and your inner voice. Oh, Henry,
hi baby, Hi baby, Mommy's coming, Mommy's coming. We swear,

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take your own. I know your story really is about
trusting your gut. I mean, even down to breastfeeding for
a long time, because I've been breastfeeding over a year
and a half, and I get people, even my mom like,
thank god, she doesn't listen to this, but thank you know,
she's like, why you need to stop that. There's so
many people who are shocked at like you're going pasta

(01:02:51):
a year or past whatever. But it's you're gonna get
ship any way you look at it. So the stronger
you can get your mom must all in your instincts
to listen to yourself and quiet the other things in
every step of the way, the better. Yeah. I mean,
even even things like I mean, and I went through this,
like my best friend's sister had a baby and now
she's at the point where she's just so tired because

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he's teating. He wants to breastfeede throughout the night and
he's i mean, he's like one year old now, and
and she's like, I just want to have him in
the bed with me, and I'm like coping so much
shit about just having him in the bed with me,
because you know, he just wants to own the mom
And I'm like, no, you just just do you. You
are the one doing it if it's going to make you,
guys feel better to do that or you, you know,

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if you're telling you know, like you you have to
just follow your gut. You're the one like nourishing feeding.
There's there's an unspoken kind of communication going on as well,
and there are things that you can't even articulate about
the experience. It's just there's just so many things. Finish

(01:03:56):
this sentence and then we're finished. Parenthood is magically, it's
also really hard. I didn't you know, I don't know,
but I think it's more in the end, you know,
you look back on all of this, all the hot stuff,

(01:04:17):
and I think magical winds. Yes, I'm so grateful that
you made time amidst I can't imagine you're like to
have a seven month old and a three and a
half year old and Handmaid's Tale and NonStop travel is
really fucking impressive. Yvonne and I hope whatever this little

(01:04:39):
time break you have in your schedule that you're able
to because that's even hard in itself. To regulate and
unwind and just be where you're at is so hard
in and of itself. I mean, I agree self care
is really hot. Oh forget it. Self care. Never heard
of it, Never heard of it. I had to find

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to the nail to go get a haircut today. Um,
thank you so much for being on Katie's Crib. This
was such a wonderful time. I just am such a
fan that personally and professionally of yours. Oh my gosh,
thank you for having me. This is so fun. I
remember listening to this podcast like way back when. I remember,
thank you for having it. I mean, this is what

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we need in the wall. Thank you guys so much
for listening to today's episode. I want to hear from you.
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