2- Year Anniversary "Listener's Choice": Higher Is Waiting w/ Tyler Perry

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, sweeties, it's christopherne Hazelin and you're about to hear
a special reair of one of the most powerful episodes
we've had on Keep It Positive. Sweetie, the one and
only Tyler Perry sat with me and shared his journey
with a level of honesty and intention that shook so
many of us, from his early struggles to building an
empire with faith and vision, his story and his words

(00:22):
lit a fire under this community. I've heard so many
of you say that this episode gave you clarity, courage,
and confirmation to keep going. Whether it's your first listen
or your third, Tyler's story is the kind that HiT's different.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Every single time. Hello, and welcome to this episode of

(01:04):
Keep It Positive. Sweetie. Guys, I am so excited about
this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I have none other than my boss, the biggest boss,
multi hyphan. You are an author, You are a writer,
a director, a philanthropist, a father, everything.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Tyler Perry, My god, hey, like, I literally feel like
this is my first time doing this. I was so nervous.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I could like, that's so crazy because we talked all
the time all the yes.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I just wanted to make you proud to do this right.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm already proud. I'm already proud of the other episodes.
I'm proud at the title. You got to tell me
how that came about.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Okay, yeah, it came about because I had a young
lady actually had posted a young woman's work who helped
me organize my closet.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
And this woman got on.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
She was like, all this bragging and boasting, you need
to go buy some land or a house.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I said, I had time. I'm like, I nor block,
we got time today.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
My little fingers got the turtin and I was like,
I said, what you should look is I'm supporting another
woman's business and not looking at it from a negative standpoint.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I just put hashtag keep it positive, sweetie. Oh okay,
and it grew legs.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
My fans were like it just like literally went crazy. DeNora,
we were trying to come with a title for the podcast,
and she's like, a time.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I think of you, I think of abundance.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
And in that moment, I was like, in the back
of my hand, I said, what if it's not always
like this?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, abundant? Like what if my life is? It was crazy? Lad,
just got to thinking about.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
It, and what if your life wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Always isn't always like this wasn't always because abundance. She's like,
every time I think of you, I think of abundance.
And a part of me was like, but what if.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's not always like this?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
And you know where that came from.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
We can get into that, We can definitely get into that.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
That is clearly just that unfeathered fear from childhood or
something that somebody said to you, or something that somebody
planet in you that immediately make you think this isn't
going to last always yes, And that is a horrible, horrible,
sinking feeling, and it's also a lie, but it can
serve you well because it can motivate you to keep

(03:13):
going and work even harder. So that's what I used
it for. I used to hear it. I don't hear
no more. I don't hear I think I'm all.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Right now, you are all right? You all right?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
So we were brainstorming and I was like, you know,
I want to do a little segment on the show
called keep a Positive Speedy and they're like, that's the
name of the show of the show, and that's how
it came up with it.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's great. I don't like addressing haters. But that's good.
I'm plaid. Something great came out because people, you know,
and social media in this world, they're sitting around nothing
to do, and and and what what you have to
understand about people who post negative things like that? The
algorithms in social media, if you click on something negative,

(03:53):
you're only going to get fed negativity. So the negativity
is showing up in their lives with in other things.
And if you keep letting that stuff in everything negative, everything, negative, everything, gossip, everything,
is that your life is going to become that. So
I'm very much about keeping a positive sweetie, and staying
and staying and staying clear of all of that foolishness.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, you do a really good job of that.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I try to. I try to. I don't. I don't
let it in. I'll stop if somebody is talking about
somebody in front of me, a god, we don't do
that here.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
You cut it off quick.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
When I know they're talking about me, you're not gonna
let them talk about me.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
No, no, no, I'll fight somebody over you now, no.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
No, no, somebody tell me somebody's in, you will if
somebody's in, and if you're telling me something because there's
a situation that we need to help. That's different, but
not just to be No, if you ain't got no
solutions to what people are going through, no offering trying
to help, don't don't bring that to me.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
No, No, that's real. I love it. I love that.
I want to do a little story time. We're gonna
go back.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yes, when we when it first started, when I first
started working at Tyler Perry Studios as a PA, the
first thing they told me do not look at him
in the eyes. Don't speak to him when you see him,
don't do I was like, okay.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
And don't you know, I don't even know what year
was because I.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Was twenty twelve going into thirteen when we started happen
to have not.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Who was starting all this shit? Don't keep absolutely who
was starting all this shit? Because I hear rumors too,
but that oh, oh, don't look, don't talk to don't
do I'm like, what do y'all? Where does this come from?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I don't know?

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Somebody told you that?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yes, that was like a part of like my getting
the ropes, learning the ropes, Like, so if you ever
see him, like, don't get on the elevator, and it
reminded me of Capitol Hill when I worked on the Hills,
like if you see a Senate on the elevator, do
not go on.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
If they're on the train going to the Capital.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Wait.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
And I had an Obama incident where I was running
trying to get some papers to the floor of the
Senate and he was on the train and I was
like trying to get on there real quick, and I
saw him and I ran back.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
He said come on. I was like you sure. He's like, yeah,
come on. I was like, thank you. Out of breath.
I was like, Lord.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
But it reminded me of that where there's certain rules.
I was like, maybe that's just a thing. So one
morning we were walking everybody points out, Okay, that's where
his office is, this is where catering is.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I'm like okay.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
And maybe a few weeks in we were walking past
each other on the side while you were coming and
going to set and I was going to get some coffee,
probably for someone at that point in time, and I
just said, just speak. That's how you were raised. You
don't walk past and acknowledge people when.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
You see him. So I just said good morning, and you.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Smoke back, and I was like, it was like a movie.
Like if somebody had like a camera, it would have been
so funny to see my reaction. Like he smoke back,
and I was like, it was complete opposite of what
everybody said.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I know it, And that's why I wanted to, like
in the beginning, That's why I forced people to say
hi now because I'm walking, I'm like, hey, how you
doing all right? Because because I'm if somebody's still telling
you all that that's not so because it does not
check in. I want to know how people are doing it.
I was. I was stopping the hallway and talk and
see you know, how's your mom? How things are you? Will?

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, complete opposite of what I was told, And I
just I love it.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
It was a complete opposite.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
I'm just thinking Capitol Hill to hear, Okay, go ahead,
It's not lost on me. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
And then I worked my way up and a lot
of people are always like, how did you and Tala
become so close?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
How did you even start working for him? How that
even happen?

Speaker 1 (07:12):
And do you remember when we were doing Soul Cycle
at Greenbrier, Yes, and I came up to you and
said we need more money for the costumers. Yes, And
I was so scared because we hadn't really it was
always just good morning, sir, keep it moving, and something
was like just tell him because he has no idea,
and you I'm talking about within hours, Accounting was up
in that department figuring out how we can get more money,

(07:34):
to get more people, how to help us because the
way we shoot, we needed some good, good help.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
And you were like literally, you were like, well make
it happen.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Because these are the thing that people forget. I can't
see everything, I can't be everywhere, so it takes somebody
bold enough to say, hey, you working, we're all working
by side, we're working really really fast. We need the
help yea. And not everybody would do that, and there'll
be people in departments who are suffering, who are shorthanded
because accounting saying nord, this other person saying no, nobody's

(08:05):
told me. Yep.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, so I was.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
I was. I was glad you said it.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, you made me feel very comfortable. I was like okay,
and I don't sometimes like Chris, why you didn't say
nothing like yeah, I just sat back. But that was
the thing where I was like, I need to talk
to him, but I was so scared. And that was
just another instance where you literally was like so.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Cool, Like if people look at you because you're six six,
you're like this giant is like oh gosh, Like how
do I even approach this man like you approach everybody.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, but there was just another testament to like how
you just make things happen, and you're like very.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
When people make me aware of it. Yeah, because this
is really important to me. Working that hard. That's why
so many people love working at the studio because it's
a we move we do, but we are still together.
I'm right there with them, side by side in the trenches.
So it makes it all just we see everybody pushing
in the same direction. Yeah, that's why we've been able
to do what we do.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Absolutely, and it starts with you because I remember, even
as a PA, just coming on a set sometimes and
we're all exhausted, everyone's working these hours, and you're right
there with us from sun up to sundown, and it's.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Like this man, ain't got to do this at all.
You can literally be on your island or in one
of your properties somewhere.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Nope, I don't have to be here literally, but I
love it.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's inspiring though, because it made me go harder. And
I was like, Okay, if I see this man who's
already made, it doesn't have to do this worth is hard.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I really gotta go hard. And it just inspired me.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
And you did I did started working for me and
Chrystal running behind me with my shoes going on GMA.
We hear some of these schedules, sees if you we
should show them some of the schedules have to do.
It was. It was insane when I'm promoting a movie
or something and there you are. We're up up, going
to bed at three, up up at five point thirty

(09:48):
getting things ready.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
And you got big feet too, so the shoes was heavy.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
But but you know the thing, the thing about it, though,
that really moved me, is just how much you honored
the job and what you were supposed to do. That
to me spoke volumes, because anybody who comes in and
just you know that their passion is what they're doing.
I didn't even know you had another dream.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
No you didn't.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
I had no idea, you had no dream. Tell them
about the audition.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I had auditioned for a role on If Loving You
is wrong, and then also for Erica on having have nots.
Actually it was Darcy on if Loving You is wrong?
And Erica, who played she was one of the young
ladies on having have nots.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Auditioned for those, didn't get any of them.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
You are working with me every day holding my clothes,
went through the proper channels to audition and didn't get
the role.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And when you asked me to stoll you, because that
was when I was just like working in costumes Tyler.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I would literally we would be ingerenbriar. My agent would
send me an audition.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I would run upstairs, find something in the back back
when we used to that big warehouse behind the costume
department upstairs. I would find something that fit that character,
change into it, run downstairs, tape it, run and give lunch,
Run upstairs, change back, go back to work. Literally try
like grinding, trying to figure it out, even auditioning for
stuff for you. And once you asked me to be

(11:10):
your stylist, I was like this, man, don't think I
can act.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
And I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
You had no idea out there was wasting a way
of saying you can't do this. But I got something.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
But come hold my shoes.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Let me tell you the world.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
No, no, no, but I didn't. I had no idea
because nobody ever told me. And I don't know why
nobody told me that you are auditioning. That's crazy until
Sisters when you again, because she speak to anybody watching
about having the boldness to speak up, like the boldness
that cause started us talking what you saying we needed help.

(11:45):
The boldness of you actually getting the role of a
team that started with you saying I really would like
to try to do this. Yeah. I'm like, oh, okay,
first time I'm hearried and I'm thinking, and I remember
what I told you.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna give you anything. It's gonna
be small. And what you do with it is yep.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
If I give to you, better kill it.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
You better kill it. And I was like, I will
not let you down.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
And the first day I remember you shooting in a
blue dress on Sisters, and I remember all of it
was it blue and black, But all I remember is
all of the crew coming wrobe just to support you.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yes, it was so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, but that's that tells the world the kind of
person you are. All your think think coming to your
damn co worker's gonna go to support you or something.
All your coworkers came down and when you finished that scene,
they were all applauded, yelling.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
We all jumped on. It was I haven't actually had
footage that still on my phone.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Oh you should put that in there ready, Crystal.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
This is my costume designer who wants to be an.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Actress and she just got cast it for her first
row at Tyler Perry Studios where dreams come true.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Action.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Smarts like to see you and.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
You said to bring the things.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
All right, all right, But what's beautiful about it is
I sat in the corner going hm hm oh no, no, no,
that's something else. That's not just talent. That's not just acting,
that's not that's something else. That's something that is anointed,
that is special, that is called for that particular purpose.
And I'm always looking for that. So when I saw it,

(13:43):
I was like, Okay, I see same way with Cassie
in the van. We're on tour and I'm in the
Medea castule. Maybe go on stage and uh. I looked
at them sitting over the corner, I said, I'm gonna
do a sitcom with you two Wow, we're gonna do
House of Paint. I gotta go hell Her Walk. Yeah,
and we did.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
All these years later, it's still going, yeah, oh my
show does that.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
I totally one hundred percent believe it will. And whatever
it is, if it doesn't, you're going to be in abundance.
Won't he do it?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Will?

Speaker 1 (14:19):
I loved that, And even when I called you that
day I had, I was still styling you to ask
you about just to let you know this is what
I wanted to do, just to speak to who you
are as a friend. You were backstage getting ready to
go on to do your farewell tour.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I thought you had the day off because it was.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
So many days that the calendar was really small, so
I was like, okay, he off to day. So I
called you and thinking you were off, and you weren't.
You literally adswer the phone and I was like, Hey,
what are you doing And you're like, I'll just sitting
backstage waiting to go. And I was like, oh, well,
I'll call you back and you're like, no, what's up?
And I was like to like, you don't know this,
but I'm reading the scripts and it's literally the stories
are just jumping off the pages, and I was like,

(14:56):
I really want to give this a shot, and you
were like, I love this idea.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, let me call you.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
That done exactly because I got to walk on stage. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
But the fact that you took the call, you know
what I'm saying. I mean, that's just type of friend
you are. Because some people like I caught them back,
you know. But as busy as you are, as busy
as you are even when you're working, you still make
time for your people.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Of course, I just want people to know that that's
who you are, okay.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Because that's like that a lot of people think that
you just as even they don't know you on a
personal level. They just see this huge, giant man who
just does so many great things and it's so talented.
But like on a real personal note, you are really
that you're available to your people, and I.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Love you for that.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I appreciate it. I love you too, Chris. Thank you
as peoples. Because people always look at where you are.
They look at the top, they're like, oh, wow, look
up there, look up there. They don't look at all
the steps that it took to get there. How the bottom.
All they say is, wow, you're all the way up there,
no look at all of that. That's the journey.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
It is a journey. Yeah, yeah, Wow.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Was there any time in your life like as you
continue to climb that you're like whoa like I know
even where you are now a billionaire like established, new studio,
still expanding.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Have you have the biggest studio right now?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Bigger than I feel like it's in the United States period?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
You have yours mask?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Mask? Yeah. So is there any time as.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
You're maybe pue maybe bigger but go ahead you.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Is there any time where you hit moments where you're
like ooh, like God cannot go higher because you have
a book hire as waiting.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
But do you ever even doubt yourself?

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Like no, at fifty three, I've had enough experiences to
know that that I have to surrender. When I did
my uh, when I bought my first studio, I thought, okay,
this is it. It's great. I'm not building a studio.
I got it's paid for it. You know. Outgrew it. Yeah,

(16:50):
next studio, same thing, yep, outgrew it in no time.
That Greenbrier I thought it'd be there forever. Outgrew that thing.
We were on top of each other in that building
and but but what I learned is that every time
I was supposed to move to the next level, and
I didn't because I was comfortable, because I didn't want
to pay more, I didn't want to grow. I thought
I was where I wanted to be. Everything in my

(17:13):
life got uncomfortable until I moved. So I completely all right.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Over there, everybody all right?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
So I completely I completely learned the hard way. Like
just case in point Crock Street Market right now, which
was my first big, bigger studio on Crock Street. I was,
I was hired. I'd hired these bootleg carpenters to come
in and fix it up and all this other stuff,

(17:42):
and I was, I was, I'm like, good, I got
this building, I paid for it. This is where I'm
make my studio. That thing wasn't even as big as
the stage one is, right right, So so I'm there
trying to force it and ended up on the news
Monica Kaufman Richard Belcher talking about telling through dudes. Tyler
Perry's building a whole studio with our permits, I'll tell you.

(18:06):
So I was just like, I was so devastated because
I'd hired this guy to do job then, but the
message came to me very clear. You're too big to
do it wrong. Oh too big to do it wrong.
You gotta do it right, got to do it right.
I was still still pushing for try to make it work.
The neighbors started complaining every we didn't have enough parket.
It was only parking for maybe eighty cars. And I

(18:27):
was mad and I didn't want to go. And so
when my Lloyd called me and told me about Green Bride,
went over there, and you know, I was like, I
don't want to build here and went laid down, couldn't sleep,
went over there late at night and I was praying
about it. Look and I looked closely at the gates,
and there was because it's all padded, locked and chained up,
and the gates had Bible scriptures on it, and the

(18:47):
Song's notety one of my favorite scripture was on the gate.
And I was like, okay, God, I get it. So
I bought it. Thought I would not grow it, but
I did. But but right after that, out growing it,
here comes this offer for Fort McPherson. You know, I
told I called the mayor and said I'm leaving. I'm
going to move to Douglasville. He said no, no, no, I

(19:08):
want you to come see Fort McPherson. When I walked
into Fort McPherson, the first thing I thought was, oh,
I'm supposed to do this.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
It wasn't. It wasn't where I had been before with
the thought of, oh gosh, let me just get paid
for this is I had to learn to be open
to where I was going and build for where I
was going, rather than living and being closed and staying
where I was right so understanding that through some hard trials,

(19:37):
I learned to just surrender when it shows up.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Wow, I want to touch on something that you've held
me in my personal life when it comes to going higher, when.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
You've been told by men.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, because we talked about relationships, yes.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
But it was in my living. It was we were shooting,
I want to say, madea maybe Halloween, the second one
one of the movies, and that's when I was still
styling you. We're in the bathroom changing media's wardrobe and
you were like, where are you living? And I said, oh,
I'm rinting a townhouse and you're like, okay, You're like

(20:16):
you are on it and I said no, and he goes,
you need to go buy a house. And I was like, well, sir,
the way we work. I was like, we work and
then we save our money to live when we're not working.
It's hard to save when you're just like living. You know,
I'm saying basically living paycheck to paycheck. And you were.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Like, okay, well how much is the house?

Speaker 1 (20:33):
And I was like, well, the ones I'm looking at
like we'd be like two fifty three hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
And you're like, well, how much the damn payment.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
I was like like, if you put ten percent down,
you may do like fifteen thousands between twenty and fifteen thousand.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
And you're like, okays, the way you waiting on, I said, well,
you like, go get your house.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
And it was in that moment I was like, good lord,
what a boss.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Go get your house.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
So I got that house and I came back to
it set of By then we were shooting having having
its because we moved on to the next project. You're like, christ,
she got her house. He was like, I give you
four years. You'll be in a mansion within four years.
I don't know if you remember saying that. We were
all said, you called me, and you like, it's time
to get out a little apartment he called.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
House an apartment. Yeah, a four bedroom threven have that.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
It's beautiful. It was beautiful. But I knew again in
my life what I learned and what I understood was
be open when it shows up. That's not arrogance, that's
not anything. There's so many people who I know I've
met in this lifetime being having been very poor and
now doing very well, who on that side of it
they never apologized for We as black people, constantly apologize

(21:44):
when we have something good, Like you talked about that
lady who talked about stop showing off. You should be,
you should be. See, that's somebody who don't even understand
that it's based on the experiences of what we have
done as black people in this country, the things I did.
Our success has already been bought and paid for. If

(22:06):
we could get our mentality around what that means, Yes,
you wouldn't walk around apologizing for it.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I know that's right, And you taught me to live unapologetically.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yes, it's okay, yep.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
And even when I was living in a scarcity mindset,
You like Chris, I know, you feel like you just
got through the door or just one foot You're like
you're in the door. You're right, You're all right, go
get what you want. I was like, well, I don't
know if I can like stop living like that because
you said that you would go buy what you could afford, like,
I know, I can handle this. And then you're in
there for two years and you're like, I should have
just got what I wanted because God continued to multiply,

(22:39):
multiply and be like, I could have just got what
I want.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
I want. Yes, And many times in my life I've
been in a situation why did I buy this? Why
am I Why ain't about this? I didn't when that's
right there?

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yes, yeah, yeah, So you you helped me to one
dream bigger, to open my lens and be like, okay,
I can do this. And every time I go higher,
my wife just makes room.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
It makes room.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
My ideas get bigger the money it comes, and it's
never like a oh God, how about to take care
of it?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
There you go, and then you realize, after four years ago, man,
I just breezed through that I wasn't even that wasn't
even a stretch because your mind became open to the
possibility of what it could be.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yes, yeah it is. But that also comes with exposure.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I'm a young girl from Martin, Tennessee, population ten thousand,
people like super small, and you have one. I remember
the first time you invite me to the island and
I was sitting at the table with everybody and I
don't know if you can feel the timidness, and you
were like, if you're at this table, it's.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Because you belong.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
And I remember one morning just walking around, just touching
the leaves. I'd never seen an island.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
A private island, a private alum. I've been on an
island and not an island.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Like that, And I was like, this man, this is
his own island, Like just what, I don't even need
all this, Like this is possible. Then that's exposure, you
know what I'm saying. Just knowing that I know somebody
who has done it, this is something I can do
as well. And the places you've taken me, we traveled
the world together, has opened my eyes to so much
where a lot of people aren't privy to sing thinking.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
About a couple of things traveling the world. But let
me just say this and then I'll go to the
traveling world. Oprah. Oprah did that for me when I
first went to her house. She did that for me.
I was like, Oh, this is possible. You can actually
dream and be and I'll never forget. I'm on video
saying this. I'm probably thirty five. At the thirty six,
my first movie had just come out, and I was

(24:32):
just like, oh, I could have this. It took all
of the reins and blinders off, and I was just like, Okay, God,
what you got. Yeah, Well, I'm gonna do the best
I can to honor it. I'm gonna be good to people.
I'm gonna everybody comes in my life, I'm gonna make
sure that they are touched and affected in a beautiful way,
that their lives are changed, that they're really see and dream.

(24:54):
Everything you show me got, I'm gonna try to pass
it on to somebody else and everybody who can get it,
I'll take it right. So that's the feeling I want
the people around me to have. That's the feeling I
want the people at the studio to have, because at
this point was what else is? What else is there
to do?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Exactly exactly? That's so good.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah, they're traveling the world, just like she don't like roaches.
So so we we were in really nice. So do
y'all know them beautiful places over the water A little bugo.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
It was nice.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
If you walk in the hotel that's very expensive and
there's roach spray in the closet, something something up.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
So I didn't catch that.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
I didn't read. I didn't read that road spray because
the place is beautiful, the glass bottom of look. I
was like, okay, I'm about Crystal doing in her room screams.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I do not do roaches. I was like, they're like
the people came in the room, that manager and he
was like, oh, I'm talking about it was a big roach.
He was like, oh, this is a water bug.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
That's we from the south, and we get on his head.
That's a cock throat. Y'all got to get that thing.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Y'all came in there moving furniture for me. Y'all in here,
turn the arrow.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Turn the arrow, yeah, yep. Or any time I said beyond,
she was ready to go.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
The first time you saw me, I was in Miami, guys,
I'm on a vacation. I always I like to travel
by myself sometimes and then my girls to come meet
me after I've had my me time. And so it
was before my girls landed and I had unpacked. I
was staying in Miami for a while. I had unpacked
my clothes and I never do that. I never unpack
and hang things up. I just live out the suitcase.

(26:40):
This particular trip, I had unpacked. I get a call
and he's like, hey, I need you to pack some
things for me. I've got to go to Copenhagen. And
I was like okay, and he was I said, okay,
I'll get some things done. So I had called our money.
I was like, hair money, can you face on me?
So I can you can help me this come out
in town? And then I get another call and you
were like.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, I need you to pack your too, because we're
going to see Beyonce. Y'all. I ain't never packed. I
ain't never got to the airport that fast.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
I called you, caught you back. I called you back
because I knew you had friends, I knew you had packed.
I called you back. I say, so you think you're
gonna you're going I'm at the airport.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I'm going through back on me away.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
And that was the most amazing experience. We flew on
your jet to covien Haagen. I got to meet Beyonce
for the first time, y'all, like, do we need a
land to pass?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
She gonna faint?

Speaker 1 (27:34):
What's gonna happen? Oh my goodness, And that was just
that was crazy. Thank you for the many experiences, but
that was that when it started.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Exposure. Exposure, that's what I that's what I completely love
and hope that more of us have, you know, And
it doesn't take you don't have to travel the world
to to You could just get out of your neighborhood,
go to other neighborhoods see other things. Like when I
was struggling and broken my when he said, man, I
would I barely had nickel or anything to eat, but

(28:05):
I would go to an open house and in the
nicest neighborhoods, and I would drive test drive cars, just
not for the materialness of it, but just to know
it's possible, yes, right, And because in my neighborhood there
was there was the drug boys or the preachers that
were the only ones doing well.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
So I didn't see anybody else that you know, was
in the movie business or anything. I didn't see any
of that. So coming to Atlanta really opened my mind
up to the possibility of there are other things you
can be other than those two.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Absolutely, Wow, that's good. Something else that I have learned
from you is generosity. I've always just naturally just been
a nice person, speak to everybody.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
But it was first it was Andy Norman, who we.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Love works at the right hand over there here.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Oh my goodness, love him.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
And he called me one day he always goes to
church on Wednesdays, and he said that I don't know
why God put you on my spirit, but he told
me to tell you your living is in your giving.
He said, I don't know what this, why what it was?
And at this time I was I wasn't even costume designing.
I was just a costumer, so that you know, that's

(29:15):
just like, okay, what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (29:17):
You know, He's like, your living is in your giving.
So we take a break.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
I get a call from Ozzie, who was the president
at the time, and he goes, hey, t I want
me to call you to see if you be interested
in costume designing the next season it shows and I
was like, oh, that's that's a big in a big job,
Like I don't know if I'm ready for this, if
I'm prepared, And I ended up praying about it, and
I ended up taking the job. And when I walked

(29:43):
in for my first day and he was like, I
didn't know where you were going or what was about.
He said, but you're you're going like babe, you're going higher.
And I was like, hey, this is crazy, and he's like,
don't forget what I said. And he always reminded me
and I never forget that. But just being around you
and styling you for the years I styled you and
actually getting a close up look at how you run things,

(30:05):
the way you give silently. People don't even know the
half of the things you do because you can be
sitting in your livo and watch a TV like I
want to health itly and figure I find her I need.
I want to help her rebuild. Whatever you said, you
always bless people. And I remember it was during COVID
and you called me and you said, hey, I just
want to shake on you. Are you good because you

(30:26):
weren't working. You wanted to make sure I was.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I was okay. I said, no, you're taking good care
of me.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm good, And in turn I turned around and called
Herman remember what he had told us the story, and
it just that's I feel like when you're around somebody,
you're a caliber. Those are the things you need to
take from them, you know, Like learning how to like
that was a valuable thing for me. Like this man
will he just gives freely and with a cheerful heart.

(30:52):
And that was one of the things I was like,
when I'm in this position, like cause I would already
do already do it.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Like when we come back to work, I buy people
lunch because I knew they weren't had been worked for
a while, so I would do what I could do
that I couldn't buy a car.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
That's the same. That's the same thing though giving. Giving
doesn't have a value when it comes from a pure place.
It could be ten billion dollars, it could be two pennies.
It doesn't have a value when it comes from purity.
Giving is about what it does for the other person exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And I learned that from you.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
So I just that's another thing, Like being around you.
I've learned so many things, just even how to carry
myself because a lot of times you don't know why
guy's putting you around someone. I had no idea why
you chose me, and why guy put it on your
heart to be like her. I want her to come
and help me with this, but in that it was
literally molding me to be able to sit in the
space I'm in now and to be able to carry it.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
And you know what I'm saying, That's.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Why I tell everyone who is around somebody who they
are wondering, Like I was around people like Oprah and
know TD Jake's and things, I'm like, why these people
are so amazing? How am I? What am I? What
is this about? But they were there to teach me something,
and I watched the grace of how they carried themselves.
I watched the compassion, and I watch how they treated

(32:05):
everybody around them. You know, all people want to do
is be seen and heard, right, So if you sometimes
that's all they need. And so when I'm helping someone,
and as you said, most of it's private because the
world don't need to know it, but there are moments
where people want to know it. And then there are

(32:25):
moments where I say, Okay, people should know this because
there's so much hell in the world right now, so
let's see see what how much good this can do. Yes, exactly,
But it's it's really really important to be able to
have what you have and have an open hand and
heart to help other people. Yes, I get that from
my mother. I mean I would wake up when I
was a kid and step out of the bed. I

(32:46):
would step on somebody on the floor, like who these people?
She's like, they needed a place to stay right, so
she would. She wouldn't give them no money, but she
would she would. You know, you couldn't get twenty dollars
out of my mother. But she would feed them, she
would clothe them. She she was just amazing.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I love that. I love that you talk about your mother.
I know this.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
She's someone who was a dear, dear place in your heart.
And you talked about the dysfunction of your home growing up.
What was it with that little boy? Because you say
in your book Hire is Waiting you say that ever
since I was a little boy, I've known there was
something greater than myself, something bigger, something stronger, something higher.
I know for me as a kid living in Martin, Tennessee,

(33:27):
I didn't see anything that God had put in my mind.
I didn't see anything that even reflected that. I'm like,
so why do I feel like I can I only
saw it on TV?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
That little boy living in New Orleans. It was like,
it's something bigger for me than this.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
That was That was the most frustrating part of my
life and career is having all of that vision inside
of me and did not sing a path, not seeing
anybody else who had done it, not seen anybody around.
I was just like, how is this even possible for
me to obtain this? But for me, my mother took
me to church all the time, so I I just

(34:03):
would hear my uncle preaching about you know, if you pray,
God will answer your prayers. And I just believed from
a little boy that God was answering my prayers, especially
when I got these. I thought that the television floor
mode of television. Y'all, y'all don't know what that I
do Flora on television. I thought that the people inside
on Gilligan's Island, the TV show, were inside the TV

(34:23):
and I wanted to go behind it and open it
up and find them. And my father would have killed
me though, so I prayed. I said, God, send me
some little people to take care of. And I'm leaving school.
I come home and there's a house, a bamboo house
on sitting on the porch lady across the street had left,
had moved away, and she asked my mother if I
could have her parakeets, pp and Pierre, and they spoke.

(34:47):
So as a little boy, I'm like, God heard my prayer.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I heard it.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, So from then on, from then on, it was like, Okay,
this prayer.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Thing works, it works. Prayer.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, I got to get my coffee to get up
there right exactly right right right right right right right
right downs nice gowns or something.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I'd like to ask that question because a lot of
times when people see us where we are now, it's
like where did that start? So I definitely wanted to
touch on that.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
You can't just say this about God. I know the
world is changing and people are getting away from so
many things, and it makes sense because because of what
church has become. But my whole hope is that if
people have a relationship with God and believing that, they
never ever equate that to something that man is, because
they will always let you down, preacher, pastor priests will

(35:49):
always let you down. They are not God. They're human.
They're allowed to be flawed, they're allowed to make mistakes business.
So I give them the grace of being human. Yes,
but when I need grace, I go to God, not
for them.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yes. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I literally just yesterday had this conversation with my brother Marquis,
and he was like, you know, I just church heard.
He was like, I just don't feel he said, I
just don't want to go through this again. And I
was like, I said, I literally told him, I said, Marquis,
I was like, the pastor is not God. I was like,
he's human just like we are. I said, you, we're
going to church to get close to God. If that

(36:24):
person is delivering the message the way you need it,
we have to give them grace in their personal life,
right Like, we can't judge.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
That or that ain't ain't your business. If God sends
a message and you know when that message is yours
coming through that person, oh you know, God spoke to
you through that person, it's easy to start to see
the person as God and miss the spirit that came through. Yes, listen,
I've gotten messages from winos on the street that was like,
oh that was God just spoke to me.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
So I've learned to completely be when you when you
listen and you're open and you're here, you know you know,
because and what in my life if I praise something
and like I have friends who are praying for me,
your prophet like Andy will do you. God will send
somebody to confirm the exact prayer, the exact thought, the
exact thing I'm going through almost in the exact words.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay, yeah, he keep talking to all in your business.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Right, so good, so good. So let's talk about something
that you and I talk about. My men, Oh lord,
I mean my man.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
So for the longest, like you've seen me go through
different relationships and recently it was a night that we
all went to dinner after you moderated Michelle Obama's book
tour here in Atlanta, and you said, Crystal, you are
vibrating here.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Your man is here.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
And I was like, Oh, you're trying to tell me
I'm a low vibrational tyler.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
What you're trying to say? And I was like, oh,
I had to think about that. I was like, wow, Like,
am I well you know what I'm saying. You were like,
you're here and he's up here. You gotta you gotta
go higher, get yeah yeah, And I was like, wow,
that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
I was probably had a gummy that night. So I
was I give super spiritual when I'm on the gummies.
But that sounds good, Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
It was really good.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Just five milligrams a week. That's all I could do.
You know, if I try anything else, I'd be like, no, no, y'all,
come get me going to the hospital. Five miligran Yeah,
but understanding. Yeah. And and having people meet you at
your work.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
That's what I was.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yes when you said that we were one of our
many nights at your Island Dollar in the King's Landing
room at the table you said you just hit you. You
probably was on the gummy there too. You was like,
meet me at my word and.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
We were all like, wow, that's it. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
And and and anybody who can't do that, that doesn't
mean they're not worthy of you. That means that they
need to eat the attempt try learn find out enough
about you to be to figure out what that is.
And that's not money because because you listen, a lot
of women, especially black women, and I might get in
trouble for saying this, but I will. In our society

(39:13):
right now, black women are making a lot more money
for the most part than black men. Right there are
a lot of black men who are successful, but for
the most part, black women are making the money. So
you if you can find love, if that man works,
you know, at whatever job and is a good man,
and it is good to you and honors and honors

(39:34):
the house and honor's white and does what he can
because his gift may not be your gift exactly. That
is okay. That's not somebody who's beneath you. That's somebody
who came to love you at your work, right, and
as long as he's secure in himself to know that, yep,
she makes most of the money. All I can pay
is the light bill. As long as she's comfortable enough

(39:54):
to say, I'm gonna cover the mortgage and all the
other stuff. You've had a light build, baby, you can
take me to dinner and every now and then, it
is fine. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, But that's so hard
for a lot of people to take in because that
means no, no, no, I need somebody to who is
I need?

Speaker 4 (40:13):
They need to make five times more and I got
to have that. I got to have. Don't keep your list.
God bless you, hope it haven't. Don't keep your list.
But when you talk about just someone to love you
and support you. I know people who have who whose
men can't touch what they make. But when you see

(40:34):
them together, that love, that.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Support, that that I got you, babe, it's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
It is, it is.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I remember I was having a conversation with you and
I was going, I can admit that I had fallen
under that, Like, Okay, I actually may have misunderstood what
meet me at my worth meant. I thought, meet me
at my work with meet me at my network network.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Right right now, not your network. May me at least
meet me at my network. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
And I was talking to you.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I was like and Tyler, I was like, this is
this is this, and I've done this this, and You're
like wa wait wait wait wait stop. He was like,
don't make it about money. And this is when I
was like, oh my gosh. It was like like it
just went off and I was like, I see what
you're saying. You were like, Chris sits do the same thing.
I would like, be doing all these things for someone
or people around me, and I'm like they're not doing

(41:22):
I'm not getting anything in return, you know. And we
fall into that sometimes. And you said, but then I
thought about it. They can't do for me the way
I do. It's just like they can't. You got when
you explained like that, if he is giving you all
these other things.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Then that's something you work with. And I did.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I literally completely misconstrued what meet me at my worth
end in that moment. But worth is more than that,
you know. And that's when I was like, Wow, this
is way deeper.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
You got to remove the money from the situation because
it's just gonna cloud it. And then you have your
girlfriend and this friend saying he's doing this and he
ain't got that he did. You don't understand the love
that we have for each other. And that is what
is important. And I'm telling you there are some good
men who can't meet you at your net worth. Yeah yeah.

(42:09):
And if you can find a man who is secure
enough within himself to stand in that space, yeah yeah.
I tell you the story. Oprah tells the story about
her and stepmen. She was they were in Hawaii and
she was walking. This is years ago. She walked in
the store. He was behind her and no, I'll tell
you this story. This is because I was there for

(42:31):
this one. We were coming out of the color purple
premiere in New York and it's Tina Turner, Oprah and
me and Gail. We're all kid in the car and well, listen,
that's when I first knew. That's when I first knew
something had shifted. Wow, because Oprah walks out in the
screaming Oprah, Oprah, Oprah, Tina walks out of Tina, Tina.

(42:53):
I go out of here, tyl or I go o.
This was very early on. So they're pushing into the
limo and I've turned back and Steedman, the security is
pushing him out of the way, not letting him in.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
I watched him tap the man on the shoulder and
say hey. He goes, oh, oh, I'm sorry, mister Graham,
and he let him in the car. But do you
know when I saw that man, who's six foot six
in that situation, I went wow, look at the grace
and how he carried it. He didn't get a car
with the attitude. He wasn't mad. Which takes me back to
the store in Hawaii when when they were in the

(43:31):
store and everybody swarmed around Oprah. He was watching protectively,
and after she was she was leaving the store, the
store owner, older person said to her. Listen, I watched
that man, How he Loves You. I watched that man
how his ore is all around you, making sure you're
okay and safe. So so and stepman does well in life. Yeah,

(43:53):
but I don't know nobody doing well is.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Open hell, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah, So it can't be about the money. Can't be
about the money.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
That was That was a good nugget that you gave.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Me recently, And I was like, wow, because you do
get caught up into what your girls are saying and what's.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Society because that's gonna but that's that's And if you
try to make it about the money, then it's always
going to be about the money, and the money is
you have to understand that when you start to make
money and do well, that becomes a part of the
perception of who you are, right And that's okay. Yeah,
that was the thing that bothered me about it only
sees my money, only sees my money, and I'm a
good person. I had to let all that go. Was like, well,

(44:28):
the money is a part of your person now, so
let that be. Wow, and that's okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
It is now when you started making money, were talking
about money as a part of the person.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Listen, that's a whole nother podcast, the financial literacy. Yes, yes,
but go ahead, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Even like with like family and friends, what did you
go through when you start? Because that's the thing I
start to deal with now, you know. Just then titlement
or like gimme, gimmy, gimme and the random text messages
and you're like, I'm just waiting to ask.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
I had yeah, because usually what happens is, you know,
they don't they don't talk to you forever, and then
they're like, hey, how you doing. You've been on my mind.
God told me to pray for you on my heart,
and I'm thinking, okay, ten nine eight, Can you send
me thirty thousand dollars because I need Yeah? And then
I had another family member sent it, said and I
was hurt by it. I said, listen, you sent me

(45:20):
a text asking for thirty thousand dollars. That's offensive, Like
call me see how I'm doing. Yes, And then and
then I don't mind, you know, I don't mind giving
you the money. Well, this family member got offended, so
I'll never ask you for nothing else. I was just
a well, I was just saying, how how impersonal.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
The text is yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
A little while later, get another text, I need I
need thirty thousand dollars the same person, and then the
follow up text was make it forty tyler, I kid
you not. And I was hurt by the sense the
fact that make it forty yeah, yes, just that it
was just so blatantly like I'm just the money, right Yeah.

(46:00):
And I get to this place called it's this thing
called compassion fatigue, where you just gift exhausted from giving,
like and you and for me, I have to go
away and pray and get myself back together because I
get to get my face kind of place, you know
what I mean. So so I have to go back
and get right with that. But having that, having you know,
family members, you know, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah, I just wonder how you deal on your level
because nobody's calling me for thirty well.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Right, right, so let's go back. Let's go back. But
you know what, I learned to accept them as who
they are, and the family doesn't necessarily have to be
the people that are your blood. So I started surrounding
myself with people who genuinely cared about me. If we
were on a boat on just some when we're in
our groups on the trips, if we're on a boat,

(46:51):
if we're on the island for you know, these people care. Yes,
they can't pay for it, but they're there because they
want to support you and care for you. And that
it was more like family.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
So my family gets money, but they have to work
or they won't get money, right because I'm not the
bank and I'm not the government. Yeah, and I think
it's important that people work. So working is so important.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Was there ever a moment where you had survivors rem
worries where you the only person in your family that
has made it, where you feel like, no, I feel
bad that I'm the one that made it and everybody
else did.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
And so I got it. I have to do these things.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
First year I made money. I went from being dead broke.
I was twenty eight years old. I made one hundred
thirty thousand dollars. I was said, oh my god, one
hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Got to the end of
the year, had nothing to pay my taxes because I'd
given it all the way. Wow, that's so much guilt
that I've given it to all the family.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
All friends.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Next year, I think I've made a million and a half.
Same thing happened again. Wow, next year I made seven million.
Same thing happened again. Because I had so much guilt,
because I had and I think this is something that
we as black people carry because of what we've been through.
And when you have you think, oh my god, I
need to bring everybody else up with me. That's a

(48:15):
beautiful thought. But in the beginning that's bullshit. Take that bullshit,
get take that out of your mind, because I'm gonna
tell you right now. If you have a boat that
can help you get to one from this place to
that place so that you can get a bigger boat
and you can only take two or three people, don't
let everybody on that boat. And you got to be

(48:35):
also careful because when you put too many people on
the boat, there's some trying to put holes in it
because they wanted to sink because they don't like that
you're sailing. Yeah, so you have to be careful, right
or there's some that are putting holes in the boat
because they don't feel that they're worthy of it. And
I've had that too, where I was trying to pull

(48:56):
people up to come on, come on, this as far
as we can. We've been together all these years. We
can make this happen. It's gonna be wonderful. It's gonna
be great. But the whole thing that I had to
realize is that some people cannot survive at certain altitudes.
So if you're pulling somebody up a hill, who when
you get to ten thousand feet they can't breathe, You're
going to kill them. Yeah, so it's okay to leave

(49:18):
them there until they learned the conditioning of what it
takes to be at ten thousand feet.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Wow. Yeah, that's good, that's good.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I'm going through a season. I just did an episode
called Purging Season and season two and it was just about.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Say that again. I'm sorry, Purging season season one?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, yeah, season one. I did an episode called Purging
Season and it's literally like God was just removing people
like friends, family. It was just like, Lord, what is
happening right now?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
And you're starting to see that, like you said, people
can't breathe the altitude that you're going to, or you
did a speech about it. I think it was a
commencement speech on we talked about rocket boosters. Yeah, and
I was like when you said that, That's exactly what
came to mind when I thought about, Lord, what is
this that you're taking me through right now? Because I
felt like I was losing people I was really close to.

(50:05):
But everybody can't go.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah, you know, and you've ever seen a bunch of
kids on America around it goes faster and faster and
faster and faster and faster. What you find is that
the people who are closest to the center can hold
the tightest. The ones who are out toward the who
are holding on are getting the most of the g
forces its to they can't handle it. Yeah, so those
people have fallen. So I call it the spend. There

(50:27):
is sometimes in your life you'll start to spend and
you're spinning up to the next level and people start
to fall off. And let me tell you something, it hurts.
It's lonely, especially when it's somebody that you really really
loved and had a great time with and wish that
they could be there with you. But you have to
understand and realize that that toxicity is poisoned to your wings.

(50:52):
It will cause you to crash. So you have to
be able to say I love you, I'm sorry this
does not work for me. Yeah, then you get the
shit all you boogie you changing what's Oh no, now
you got all this and you don't want none of
that matters. Yeah, walk through the pain of the Loneliess
come and tell you something. The higher you go, the

(51:14):
smaller that circle gets.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
You're so right. Yeah, I'm just getting started.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I see it, and it's okay. It's okay because I
promise you, if you ask God to give you what
you need, they show up.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
They do.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, show up, and I have what I need. I
do like, I really have a good core. And everybody
that's around me, I know they love me. They support
me wholeheartedly. We all have our own thing going on.
And it's no jealousy, and that's what that's.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
What you want, because jealousy will show up in ways
that you didn't even expect it. And people who've been
right up under you as long as you didn't exceed
what they thought you could be, the minute you start
to go higher than they believed you could go, it's ugly.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, no, absolutely, Yeah, that's a real thing. And it
is lonely. It is they say it's lonely at the
top of.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
It, not lying, but here's what I had to learn
how to do. I had to learn to get all
of my friends. Nobody can give you all everything you need.
So all of my friends were brought something. It's like
a like you have a pot luck where you can
bring everybody brings it something to eat. And some people
may be able to bring fruit, something, bring vegetables something,

(52:25):
bring chicken something. So I had all of my friends
bring me something different, yes, so that I have all
that I need. You can't get it from one person.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Absolutely, It's so good. I love that.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Denor had actually spoke on something recently that piggybacks off
of what you said. She goes a lot of times
when God brings people in your life, you're like, why
am I not getting what I'm putting into this? Like
I'm pooring, I'm pooring, I'm pouring into this person, but
I'm not getting it back. And she said that sometimes
that person isn't putting your life to pour back into you.
You're on an assignment to them, and it's somebody else

(52:58):
that's going to bring you what you need.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
That's that's your one right, that's exactly right, and and
you have to understand that when it's your time to poor.
Do that, yes, and hopefully that seed that you're watering
will start to grow in that person. Because I've seen
this like in you, like seeing you come up to

(53:22):
this place of like look I poured it into a
now look, And I've got thousands of those examples in
the studios, like I poured in look at him now.
And it warms me so much because when you're pouring
poor with pure intention, yes, and then you don't worry
about being hurt if if it doesn't work out. Just

(53:43):
just be pure and your intention. Don't let people change
your intention, even if they give you their ask to
kiss after you were trying to help them. Don't stop
who you are going and help the next person, you know.
So that is so important, so important. That's really good.
It's really good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yeah, Yeah, she's been dropping some nuggets. I'm like, birl,
God is really talking to you and me. I love it.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
So I want to go back to some of your journey.
You started off in the chilling circuit with media plays.
You worked you way up to owning your own studio.
At the time that you were like doing the smaller place,
what was it for like even actually, I want to
go back to when you decided, like I, what was
that in between phases like right before things went crazy,

(54:30):
like when you were doing The Smaller Place, What was
that like?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
There was no in between phases? Was twenty eight years old?
That was twenty seven, Broke Homeless twenty eight. I had
been trying to do the show for seven years, and
in nineteen ninety eight the show took off. So it
was famine, famine, famine, struggles, struggle, desert, desert, desert, Jesus.
Then all of a sudden, it was abundance. It was
the abundant rainbow. So I went from ninety when I

(54:57):
started in ninety eight. That's why I feel like I
missed twelve years of min life though I was working
so hard ninety eight at twenty eight, and I came.
I kind of came to myself at forty, like I
woke up going, whoh, you did it? But you missed
everything because there's so many of those moments I don't remember.

(55:18):
I was so laser focused on making the success work.
And also I was afraid of going back that we
talked about earlier. I didn't want to be broke again.
I didn't want to, you know, I need to have
my medicine for my mother. That's how it all started.
I just need to if I lower just My prayer was, Lord,
just let me make enough money take care of her.
And I had millions, and it still wasn't enough in

(55:41):
my mind. So I was still going really really really
hard until she died. When she died, it had reset me,
like everything I was pushing for was gone. Yeah, but
those those times were so such a blur because I

(56:03):
just worked all the way through.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Do you have any regrets?

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Sometimes I do because I look I feel like I'm
twelve years younger, because I went into this silo of
working and I came out twelve years later of like, okay,
oh wait, this is what the world is, this is
what wait people, well, they were enjoying themselves at these

(56:27):
parties and oscars and award shows. I wouldn't you know
how I would walk in and out. I was like,
I'm not nope, this is work.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Back to work.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah, we're good. Back to work. Literally, So I feel
like I missed twelve years of my life. Even though
now I look back at some wonderful things happened, I'm
telling you I missed them all. Like I'll see photos
or somebody remind us you remember when I go, wow, you're.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Right, yeah, yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
But instead of being fifty three, I'm forty one. There
you go, there you go, there you go.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
What does a billionaire like you who has a busy schedule?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
What do you do for yourself?

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Like?

Speaker 2 (57:08):
What do you you know? A lot of players say like, Ike,
this is my meantime, this is what I do. What
do you do for fun?

Speaker 1 (57:13):
What do you do to like take care of toyland
of your body? I know you work out or you
like to travel, but like, what are things that you do?
Because a lot of people like you're working all the time,
when do you have time for just you?

Speaker 3 (57:23):
You know what? People think that I'm a lot busier
than I am. But because we work so fast, because
I building bricks, I don't try to kill myself like
like I would have back then. But now no I building.
I'm gonna work three months, really really hard, NonStop. I'm
gonna exhaust myself and I'm gonna take two months off.
I'm gonna go to my place in Wyoming or Colorado.
I'm gonna walk through the woods and be in nature.

(57:45):
I'm gonna talk to God. I'm gonna go down to
the island. I'm going to cry, I'm gonna pray. I'm
gonna lick my wounds to see who who stayed, who
didn't work? Where am I hurt? Am I okay? Am
I feeling loved? Am I feeling supported? I check in
with mysel So I talk to God about it. It's
so important. It's so important. But the biggest thing that

(58:06):
I do, because I can do it every day that
I'm working, it's just build airplanes, build modern airplanes. Yes,
me and my me and my son will sit there
and just he's loving it. We're you know, it's just
it's the simplest thing. But to build something that we'll
be able to fly. Yeah, I feel like I'm teaching
my son how to literally fly.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
So so those moments are really beautiful. And this kid,
you see, you know, he's he's amazing.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah, yeah, brilliant. Oh my gosh. I can't wait to
see where he goes and what he decides to do.
His life is gonna be amazing.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Yeah, And you know, whatever it is, I just want
him to be the best at it and be happy.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Yeah, just be happy son. Yeah, because right now it's
a race car driver, astronaut and a track and field
runner and a comedian. So we had a business meeting
in my office a few weeks ago and I was
asking him. You know, he was in the room when
I was having all these meetings, and he comes, Okay,
Papa's my turn to meet. I have see what do

(59:09):
you want to talk about? I want to talk about
my life in my career and what I'm going to do.
It's like, okay, eight years old.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Yeah, So I recorded it and I can't wait to
show him when he's older, like, this is what you
wanted to talk about.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
That That is amazing. It's amazing when you are dealing
with things. Mental health is really big. Like a black
community is like really honing in on it and understanding
it more. We're more open to therapy. Who does someone
like Tyler Perry talk to. You have someone that you
can like say, hey, this is what I'm going through.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Jesus h Yeah, no, Oprah TD Jake's you know, I
have Michelle Obama. I have really good people who have
been through some things. I used to talk to Sicily
Tyson you know about things just that level of history
and lessons that she's learned. And Sidney Poiitier. I went
to the Masters. Yes, I was flying to to Africa,

(01:00:01):
and I invited both of them to fly with me.
So I literally sat at their feet listening to their stories.
You know, Clarence Avon died a couple of days ago,
and he just was He was the black golf he
was absolutely and any time you needed anything or something
put together this or presidents or that, he was the man.

(01:00:22):
So you know, I had a chance to spend time
with him. That that's just Quincy Jones, these guys, Harry
Belafante on the phone with him. That's what I mean
that those those are the people. But all our legends
are getting out of here. So so I'm hoping that,
you know, more of us will be open to sharing.
You know, when I talked to Jay jay Z, he

(01:00:43):
he is one of those people. It's like, listen, I
got the information, come hit it, you know. So yeah,
but as so as mental health goes, I tell you
the main problem. That's how you look at the tobacco crisis.
When everybody was talking about how cigarettes were in the beginning,
they were saying, but people made billions of dollars on it.
Then you look at all the other opioid crisis, crack cocaine. Right,

(01:01:08):
there's another crisis that is happening that is affecting people's
mental health in ways that nobody's talking about. And I'm
hoping one day that it comes crashing down, like the
tobacco industry, like the like the opioid addiction industry, Perdue pharma,
and that is social media.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I know you're going to say that, Oh my gosh,
you are right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
If you don't believe me, try to try to turn
it off and put it down.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I pick up my phone randomly, like right, I'll be
doing something then before I know what, I'm just scrolling
on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
It's like a drug.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Yes, and you're being fed whatever whatever algorithm you chose,
because it's attached to where you go, where they are
tracking everything you're doing, and whatever mood you're in you're in,
that's what it's going to enhance. Yeah, So if you're
a person who's already struggling, sad and depressed and dealing
with some things, it's going to be really, really tough

(01:02:05):
to come up higher when you're constantly being fed things
that make you sad and depressed. I'm not talking about
clinical Depression'm talking about people who are sad and depression.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah, yeah, No, I used to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I went through a phase where I had body dysmorphia
because I would look on Instagram and I would see
all these perfect bodies, whether it was plastic surgery bodies
or just.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Everything is perfect. Everybody's just showing the highlight reel. That's
all you're seeing. You never seeing the downtimes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
And I'll try to be more transparent with that because
people just think our life is so perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I'm like, no, it's nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
And listen. I know a lot of those folks, and
I'd be like, this your life for real, because that
ain't what you're really going through. So it's just like,
stop with the madness, stop with the madness. So trying
to give this perfect image that everything's perfect, because there
are people who are really struggling, who are really looking
to these images and thinking this is how my life

(01:02:59):
should be. Now. If it's aspirational, great, but if it's
something that you know, damn well, you got thirty eight
filters on two thousands, three touches and forty eight something
else to make sure it looks great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Come on, I was that girl?

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Go ahead, digital botox.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Yeah, all the things.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
I worry about it for my son who's not on it,
who doesn't see it. He doesn't you know, he reads books,
So I don't want him to be so unaware of it.
But I want him to know who he is before
the world starts to try to tell him who he is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
That's so good. I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
So when we talk about God and aligning your vision
with God, how do you create the space for God
to really like talk to you and say, hey, I
know you said. Sometimes things get shaken up when you
start to try to go against what God is saying,
maybe because you see something totally different.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Because your vision is not aligned. And I've learned to
surrender to God's vision. I don't try to align have
him aligned to my vision. I let the opposite happen.
I'm like, Okay, where are we going? What are we doing?
And I've learned so much God to trust you that
this is the way I'm going to go because I
don't want the resistance and the fighting of the other stuff.

(01:04:12):
It's just to surrender to it. But again, I keep
going back to social media, because it is so hard
to hear from God in noise. And if you are
the type of person that is seeking advice from every
friend you have online, every Instagram, every TikTok, if you're
seeking advice, how can you know the still small voice

(01:04:34):
that I believe is God. That's why I have to
remove myself and not be on anything digital and just
listen to see what I hear. Walking in nature is
the best way. I was out in Colorado and the
wind just whispered past. I heard it. I thought it
was traffic coming, because we're up on this mountain. I
thought it was traffic. I asked to God, as is

(01:04:55):
that the traffic is said, No, that's the wind that's coming.
And I heard it come that over the mouth, down
through the valley and come up over it, and and
and and for me, that's like I how I think
God will speak, like, they'll be over there, just a
little bit of something that you that you missed. Wow,
and then there's another something. Okay, you missed. You missed

(01:05:16):
the acorn, so now the branch has to fall. Okay,
you missed the branch. Now the trees got to fall
on you. Okay, you still miss that. The whole forest
is burning. So I've learned to just when I see
the acorn, I'm gonna be like, oh no, no, no, no,
let me get Let me get that, because I don't
want the tree of the forest. Just give me the acorn.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Oh that's good, because yeah, the whole forest be burning
around me because I'm like, no, I see it this way,
like I need to get better as surrendering, I always
ask for God to order myself, but I still am
very much like, Okay, this is the way I see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I'm just gonna go this way until God is like, girl,
get yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
God, God in the Bible says, my thoughts of you
are pure and of a good report, and that you
be in health and prosper as your soul prospers. Right,
So all of that's good. Right, So if your vision
isn't aligned with what's good, then I don't know how
that can be. God, Right, that's so good, and what's

(01:06:13):
good for you may not be the thing that you're
supposed to do at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
And that's normally would I be doing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yeah, I always do things that I don't mean be doing.
And God's like, girl, we've been through this before. Why
are you still doing the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
But let me tell you something. I really didn't understand
the love of God until I had a child. Wow,
And if God loves us more than I love my child,
and I can't even wrap my brain around that because this,
and he does because this. When I see him making
a mistake or when I see him going the wrong,
doing something wrong, I'm like, Okay, how do I correct him?

(01:06:48):
How do I get him on the straight narrow? And
I'm going to choose the level of correction based on
how hard he's going at it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Yep, yeah, yeah, that's good. I love that. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
So we talked about you having vision as a little boy,
So as an adult, what do you once you have
that vision? How did how do you decide a God,
I'm going to partner with you to bring this to life?
Is it through prayer, through meditation, or just always keeping
him involved?

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
It's his vision. So you you riding a law he
gave it. Yeah you ain't. You ain't in partnership. It's
his vision for your life. So it's it's it's surrendering
to where is this taking me? That's the thing, like,
where is this taking me? And how? That's why I'm
saying the most frustrating part of my early life was
having all these visions and not seeing the past. Yea,

(01:07:34):
So I could have did a million plays and never
saw anybody ever saw never. God had to line all
of that up for it to start to work. Wow,
And I had to be willing to get in the
middle of it and go hard. That's why I missed
those twelve years, because I just I was in the will.

(01:07:55):
In the will yeah yeah, still yeah, still. But I'm
enjoyed my life a lot more now. I'm enjoying them.
I'm taking the moments now. I was just at an
age where you know that's running hard.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I love you in life, see yeah, happy and enjoying.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Yeah, wearing nice clothes, going concerts. You know, got some
blame things I never bought before. But yeah, yep, had
my Soups suits, my Steve Hobbins suits back in the
day I was clean. They have my rabbit ja They

(01:08:30):
told me it was a mink, but it was a
rabbit when I bought it. A Green Briar bought a
Green I did. I wanted that store still there. I
need to go by this store just.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
It probably is. It is hilarious. Tyler, thank you so much.
This is no I appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
I am beyond proud of you. Thank you, so so
proud of thank you. Looking at you come through all
of this, and I was right there with you to
see it. Yeah, see it. Look at you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
It's crazy when you wake up in here, You're like
when those doors and walk in here, I'm like, this
is my life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
This is my life. Yeah yeah, and it feels so good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
If it's things, thank you. I appreciate you coming today.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
At the close of the show, we do what is
called positive outcomes, where our viewers actually write into us
and we're going.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
To give them some advice.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
So our listener letter today says, Hi, Crystal, thank you
for taking the time to help me. Lately, I've been
feeling like I am stuck. It's like I'm being pushed
to bigger and greater things, but I feel like I'm
getting in my own way. My fear and insecurity keeps
holding me back, and I feel my self battle with
the fear of others saying who does she think she is?

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
By fully stepping into whatever it greater?

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Is the best way I can describe it is that
feeling when I'm on a boat and God has called
me to the water, But my fear of drowning is
greater than my faith that God will help me float.
So I'm just standing at the edge of the boat,
not jumping. How can I get myself to jump?

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Go back and read again, Read again?

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Okay, Hi Crystal, thank you for taking the time to
help me. Lately, I've been feeling like I am stuck.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
It's like I'm being problem number one. I have been
feeling like I am stuck. She's speaking that, I have
been feeling like I am stuck. So you speak things
into existence, power of life, and destin in the tongue.
I have been feeling like I am stuck, rather than
I am not stuck. God, It's gonna make a way.

(01:10:29):
I am not stuck going What's there something else? She said?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
She says, it's like I'm being pushed to bigger and
greater things, but I feel like I'm getting in my
own way.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
It's like I'm being pushed. No, I am being pushed
to bigger and greater things, but I am getting in
my way and understanding your own words, here's here when
you maybe you give them the answers to yourself. I
am getting in my own way? Well, why what is
your motivation? Why are you getting in your own way?
What did mama say? What did daddy say? What they

(01:10:58):
say at school? What did what did the little girl?
And you deal with that makes you get into the
way of the successful woman that's trying to figure it
all out. So you've got to go back and undo
some of those voices. And every time you hear something negative.
When I was coming through all this stuff, every time
I would hear something negative, be like, Nope, I'm not
letting it in because I believe I can do this.
God said, I can do this. This is going to
be okay, It's all going to work out every time.

(01:11:21):
Don't let negative voices in your head become your reality
because they will. They will.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
That is so true, she is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
And then she said, my fear and insecurity he was
holding me back. I feel myself battle with the fear
of other people, saying, who does she think she is
about fully stepping into.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
That my fear and is holding my fear is holding
me back. Here's something you have to understand about fear.
Fear and excitement can mimic the same emotions in you. Wow,
so you can be excited, but you think you're afraid. Yes,
so you have to be clear about what you're identifying, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Yeah, good Wow, you helping me, my goodness?

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
And it says the best way I can describe it
is that I feel like I'm on a boat and
God has called me to the water. But my fear
here goes fear again of drowning is greater than my
faith that God will help me float Yep, where did.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
It come from? And let me tell you some fear
is good. A healthy, a healthy dose of fear is
good to have because it keeps you grounded, it keeps
you humble, and it keeps you praying. I never would
have gotten to this place if I hadn't been afraid. Yes,
every major decision was like, goh, what if this doesn't
work out? No, get that out of your head, because
you cannot be afraid because that And as I the

(01:12:40):
more and I say this to her, the more successes
she has. Even if she looks back in her over
her life. Nine times out of ten when I ask
people this, that blows their mind. And look back and
look back at your entire life and tell me how
many times God has let you down? Entire life. Yeah,
and if you really think of about that your future days,

(01:13:01):
you'd go.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
Okay, even when I thought he let me down, even
when I thought I had failed, even when I thought
I had messed up, that was good for me so
that I can be in this position.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Yes, yeah, I learned so much in the things that
God didn't let me do. And when a door door
is closed, that is not a no. Yeah yeah, that
that is there's another way, that's another path. It's like
being an amazed when you hit that that brick wall.
You don't you don't stop, you could Okay, maybe I
gotta double back. I gotta go this way, I gotta

(01:13:32):
go this way, but you'll get there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Yes, yeah, Wow, that's so good. And her last question
is how do I get myself to jump?

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
How do I get myself to jump? Yeah? By undoing
all of those voices that caused you to have those
few yes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Yeah that's good. Wow. Well y'all heard it from the
man himself, like I ain't got nothing else to add
to that, that he broke that all the way down. Wow,
think that blessed me? My goodness, I only want to
look at the door. I know you cry. So the
next thing we do is what I'm going for.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
I like that. Who go ahead, Darling.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
This came from the daughter Gabana store and.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Darling was somewhere where Darling was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Remember I had a rough nighted see, and I was
I couldn't get out to shop and my different Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Harry, that was a night I got you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Yeah, send it to a make shift, make sure feel better.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
I did. Immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
I was like, oh, I think I can get up
now a black car to make a girl get out
of the bed. She's like everything, that's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
So we also do what it's called what I'm going through,
what I'm growing through, and in this season of my life,
even based on things we've talked about, I am going through,
especially right now, want to strike just stretching my faith,
learning new things that I want to do and not
putting all my eggs in one basket and just having

(01:15:10):
faith that God.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Is going to move.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Is that going through and growing through?

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
This is what I'm going through? Yeah, right now, But
then I'm growing Yeah, I'm growing through.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Right now. I'm really growing through. And I feel like
this is always growing through, not like having control of
everything and a lot of things to just be, so
that'd be what I'm just letting go. Yeah, what about you?
Are you going through?

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
What I'm What I go through is just battling compassion
for deca. We talked as we talked about before and
understanding that that everybody's not going to get it, yeah,
and being okay with that. I still have to remind
myself of that. That's what I'm growing through, or I
would say going through. I'm actually pretty good. I'm really

(01:15:58):
really good right now. I've lived these fifty three years
and learned a lot of things, and all I want
to do at this point is just take this wisdom,
these things that I've learned, and share them with anybody
who wants to receive them. Take them. But I also
don't want to. Oh my god, the older you get,

(01:16:21):
I see some old people who just that they are
just impatient. The older you get is like, listen, I
have one friend I've been help trying to help for years.
I was like, We've been over this. I've told you
these things ten different times. Because I never say you
should do this, And when I'm giving advice, most times
I let people talk so they can hear themselves work
out the issues. But other times I'll say, well, if

(01:16:41):
I were in your shoes, if I were here is
my thinking on that. But after sharing and sharing and sharing, sharing,
and you still don't start making progress in that direction,
Like you're wasting my time because there's somebody else who
could be using this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Figure it out. You take those nuggets you're giving in
at That's so true.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
And anybody who can get to me what I mean
by that, it's like anybody who can get in my presence,
Like I'm I say this in the best way.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
No, I know exactly what you mean.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Yeah, I'm Tyler Perry, you know. And I'm a loner
by nature. I like to be alone, and so when
people make their way into my life, I go, oh,
you are clearly somebody God has sent for me to
pay attention to because you broke through all of that
stuff and you're this close. Like, Okay, what am I
supposed to teach your guy? Can't be selfish, can't be

(01:17:33):
about you, no matter how tired exhausted. Here's a moment,
and because that moment may be something that saves or
changes that person's life.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Yeah, I'm a witness.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
I'm a testimony, living proof example.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Okay, and the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Last thing we do is keep it blank, sweety, because
the show is called Keep It Positive, Sweety, but we
feel in the blank, and I would say keep it
open minded, sweet because opening your mind to new things
can like get you further.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
I think we'll say saying that, I say, keep it growing.
There we go, keep it growing, just keep it growing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yes, here we go again.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Here we grow again.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Thank you so much, guys, Thank you so much for
tuning into this episode. If you want to be featured
on our Positive Outcomes listening to letter, please write into
Keep It Positive Sweetie at gmail dot com. You can
follow me on all platforms at l u V Crystal Renee,
and then you can also follow kIPS on all platforms
at Keep It Positive Sweetie, and you guys can follow
Tyler at Tyler Period because he's tall.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
So in time, somebody is being some negative and you
don't want them to know what you're saying or they're
being all that way, you just say kIPS, kIPS T.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Shirts always coming, Merch, merch, merch, the merchants coming. Yes,
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