December 8, 2022 • 63 mins
On the latest episode of KJ Live, King-Drew Varsity Boys Basketball Head Coach Lloyd Webster stops by and chops it up with KJ about growing up in South Central Los Angeles, his coaching journey that took him from East LA to the South Bay, how the legendary coach Dave Yanai helped shape his career path, and how he overcomes the challenges of coaching high academic student-athletes at a medical magnet high-school. Coach Webster and KJ also break down how competing in the LA City Section during the 1990's helped shape and mold a generation of coaches, the infamous "Royal Rumble" with Crenshaw while he was Head Coach at Locke High-School, and why being a gym rat is the most important attribute a basketball player can possess. #allball
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is kJ Live with Chris john Sallen and Chris
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Who's the head coach? King Drew Boys Varsity Basketball? They
were CIF City Open Division finalist last year, took a
tough one of Fairfax almost won the championship. We got
Lloyd Webster in the building, coach. What's good with you? Man?
All a? Well, Man, I appreciate you for having me
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man in a long time coming. Man, you know in
on here with a l A city legend, man, somebody
that I have a great deal of respect for it
and look up too. So and I'm just I'm streaming
humble today. Well man, I appreciate you, brother for making
the time. Bro, I've been watching you. We we we
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we reconnected. Uh several years ago. I don't know if
you remember Man University High School. I think it was
might have been a um, you know, hoop master's situation
up there. I don't I don't know what it was,
but we had reconnected it. I think my son was
like a sophomore or junior in high school. But it
was fun to reconnect with you. I was kind of
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there before you had got the King Drew job. Man.
I was always interested because you always were a basketball dude. Man.
Your knowledge of the game, your command of the game,
and just you knew everything we were talking about. Man,
you knew about everything that I that I knew about
I was wondering. Man, just talk a little bit about
your background, your beginnings, you know, the foundation of Lloyd
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Webster in this in this hoop game. Yeah, Man, you
know I started out like most guys planning at the
planning at the park, you know, and a lot of
older guys you're like, Man, you don't mind thinging, you
know down there, down low, and you you know, you
sacrifice the body a lot. You know, you might, you know,
trying to go play a little higher level, man, trying
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for the squad or something. By the time, man, I
was living in Compton and my grandmother lived in Rental, Diminus.
But back back then, you know, there was a lot
of invisible lines that would keep you going to a
secular school. So where she lived that when my mom
ended up moving to that school, was banning, so we
can only go to banking. But my mom at the
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time was working for the district, so she ended up
getting me and permitted to It's in Carson High School.
So that was when my boys in middle school. Would
you know, they would be like, hey, man, the bees
and seeds are trying out. You know, let's go see
if we can get on the bees and see squad
and you know that we can make that. We know
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we can get on the tape before, you know, because
we were hearing all of this stuff about dudes and Carson.
I think at the time they had like Rudy Washington,
Kyrie stay and lead, you know, eyes up there, so
you know we'll be hearing about it. Like man, you
know six and eleven. Back then, I was probably like
five ten. I wasn't here. I was nowhere near six
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ft yet. So I'm like, man, you know, this dude's
a giant. Let me make sure I'm ready for that,
you know. But you know, and you know how it
is in there, But guys are gonna pump you up
the making thinking the next Jordan, and you're like, man,
you know, so try that out with the bees and
seas as an eighth grader and coach was like, man,
you don't need to be here, you guys need to
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try out with the j B at varsity. Ended up
doing that. Uh that was like you know in the
early nineties three and UM made the JV squad And yeah,
that was my first beginning of playing who you know
at Carson and then you know, got in some trouble
at Carson. Um I had to you know, got an
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o t out fitt stuff in Narbonne recruited to go
to the Mingus Hills by coach you know, yeah getting
you know what, I was not a classroom guys. I
not have grades. One of the reasons why I had
to leave Carson because all I did was playing ditch.
I mean, what what what's going on? But why I
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want to know why. There was about five or five
thousand students of Carson, and I mean like Carson was
like a mini Balling Hills man or you know, you know,
like man, you know the influx of over there in
that area. I mean, I'm gonna tell you, man, some
of the finest of dimes man coming through there. So
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and and let me you know, it's very easily influenced
at Carson at that particular time. You know, there was
a lot going on. The football was blowing up one
in the ninety four. That was actually when I had
to transfer out. So you know, I played my my season,
my JV season there and ended up finishing out playing
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War and Norvine after my transferred. So but still would
still late you know, Chris Song Dorsey and yeah, still
did all of those things. And you know, there was
so much talent back there. Man, basketball was so different.
I sell the kids all the time. You had six
ten centers in high school and I played what I mean,
you had real true position players. The city was kind
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of like how everybody glorifies the Southern Section that was
city basketball, Like everybody had a future pro. Everybody had
a future All American. Yeah, it was that it was loaded,
and so you know, I think like at the time,
I didn't really recognize the college smiths that I had
made to even just be a recruit in the area.
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I kind of downplayed that, like away was it be
one man that was nothing, you know what I mean.
So I kind of just you know, I took it
for granted and I went to Juco route. You know,
played a couple of years of Juco Harbor, West l A.
And and then you know what, I was done playing
juco um a referee at the time my mom was dating,
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was like, hey man, you know, if you if you
don't love a sport like that anymore, you don't have
anything to get to it. Just stop playing. And that
kind of got me to thinking, like, do I really
love this game the way I you know, I think
I do? Or do I just really do it because
you know it's fun? And you know which which one
was it? Though? Did you did you love the game?
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I mean, because obviously you let the game because you're
you're a coach, So did you you just didn't like
the Was it the process of being a player? The commitment,
the expectations? Talk to me? Yeah, I think that as
a young man, you know, if I could look back,
you know, and and and really reflect, I didn't have
the guidance that a lot of guys had. They had
that father figure that reminded them that all opportunities you
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have to take advantage of. And for me, I was
always one of those guys, like because of that whole
pressure that you get as a young black male in
the inner city community, you kind of get that pressure
like you gotta be top or nothing. You don't get
the opportunity to be second place. So, you know, D
two n ai A opportunities like that, they didn't really like,
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nobody really cared about I have. But he's walking away
from those all the time and choosing other avenues. That's
that's wild because you would think that somebody that's coming
out the hood, that people were big up the fact
that he's continuing his education, that he's going to college.
Never mind you if it's a D two n i
A or Juko, why do you think that mentality was
so prevalent in your in your neighborhood. You know, when
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I think about it, I think a lot of it
have to do with the pressure of the community, because
you know, the press of the community is always you know,
if you don't if you don't make it to the
top level athlete, then you kind of failed. You know,
you didn't you kind of let the neighborhood down and
let yourself down, and let your family down because there's
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so many people that are that's and then you and
with that pressure comes the pressure to perform. And a
lot of times it was the times when you didn't
perform to your best that you started to be believed like,
well that that's what D two is, if that makes sense.
Like when you didn't, when you weren't on the level
of someone who was going to be the one that
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was gonna go, that was when you was kind of
looked at as you know, you you're the failure in
the area, like you was used as the person that
people were saying on all you remember someone so man,
they underachieved, they didn't get it done. A lot of
guys in the community like that, they had the potential
to be something great but instead kind of kind of
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got you know, second and third place, and they eventually
got subbed out because they just didn't want to keep
going because they couldn't handle you know, all of the
scrutiny that was around. You know, you go to the
local barber shop on what you're doing now, man, I'm
going up in you. Oh man, you man, you were
supposed to be doing this man, while you're not. And
when that So that's what led me to the coaching.
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But end up happening was and it's a crazy little
you know, life's are tripped men. You know, it's just
a crazy twiss to how things came about the coaching.
But my I was seeing a dating the ref at
the time. I was kind of figuring out, I'm gonna
transfer playing the little Jewicoke did a little Jewicoke thing, um,
and I ended up transferring along Beach State. At the time,
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it was it was right after so Morgan coach Morgan
Hromycuse from Syracuse coach Morgan coach Bargain was the assistant coach.
Um there was and I know the other two because
what I'm gonna take you What end up happening was
I transferred there and a buddy of mine said, you
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need to become a pete you know, a kininesiology major,
but just like an exercise science major. Hard major for sure. Right.
So I'm taking these classes. Um, everything's doing great. Uh.
And I would notice that a lot of times the
guys were practicing the gold mine. You know, I'll come
by boxing. Man. I started copping in the pickup with him,
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man whooping, and the guys was like, man, I mane,
you can hoop. And I made a lot of friends there,
and through those friends, those friends led to networking in
Long Beach Unified in place like that. So my first uh,
stop was at Mayfair High School. So I started at
Mayfair with with the with the children's brothers there. You know,
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I want to say one was and one wasn't think
one that graduated. And I started out there on frosts
off and that was when my my mom's reference said, hey,
there's an opportunity for you at L. A. Marshall. So
when I went to L. A. Marshall at the time,
it was it was a coach there. His name was
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Rod Tangent. Rod Angie was the head coach at Guardina
where we played. He was actually the Asian guy that
was at Gardena when we played, and he actually was
assistant coach with coach and I at the need Hills.
So when I shared the story, he says, okay, I
remember coach and I recruiting you in high school. We
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had a little connection there. I was with him for
about four years in the Northern League, which is like
Franklin Marshall, Lincoln Wilson, Eagle Rock on that side of town.
So you you understand where I was at. So I
got a lot of my you know, coaching fundamentals and
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background from coach Coach TANGI was still on my staff.
So so you're come from that Davia Night tree, come
from that tree, from that tree, um, you know, and
coach and I is very much connected in that community
where I you know, being at Fremont uh during that time.
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And then of course guys have had a lot of offsprings,
you know, nephews and cousins and they're all connected. And
he's actually come in a few times and actually assisted
with the program as laid you know so foundation and
has helped us out, um you know, just mentoring the guys.
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So he's coming in several times and mentoring our guys.
And uh, the likes of Fidelis Sokarak who's at birth
Ridge now, Coachyakamatu is at Santa Clara, Haleb leccown who's
at Eastern Carolina. We got ethelberta Num who's at uh Talladega,
which is an Alabama it's top n Ai n Ai school.
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And I know exactly who Ethew Burn is because he
played He played in the real Run this summer and
I was and I was actually I did a couple
of games on the mic over there, and I remember
that name, so I saw ethel Berg get down a
little bit. I was wondering where he came from. So
if you remember Ethel Bird, he's the one that that
that hit the buzzer beater UH for the championship in
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two thousand and eighteen when we won that Van Nuys
against Van Eyes, the moment hit, the hit the he's
the He's the all time hero, that's right, no matter
where when he shows up, the King Drew you know,
you know whatever. I'm yeah, legendary man and UH one
of the most excited games I have a coached in
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let me ask you this, all this experience and mentoring,
you hear about it a lot. You hear about coaches
that are you know, come from or stem from a
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certain treat. Just talk a little bit with more specifics
about the influence that UM you and I and coach
you worked with their Gardina had on you as far
as for your basketball philosophy, game planning, program building, or
any of those type of basketball related items. I think
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the thing that I liked about UM the way that
they kind of taught our me coming under them and
their umbrella was the fact that they spent a lot
of times um character assessing the kids. They were big
on kids that played basketball outside of you know, practice,
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But we do, right. The rat that is what they
call it, you know, the first thing they say about
a kid when they assess him, and so he's not
a rat because when you're a rat, you find ways
to win games. You know, you are hustle a guy,
you are muscle a guy. You out you you play
with a guy's head. You know, you understand that talking
is a part of the game. So you talking to
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the guy all the time, and the guy's not used
to it because he's never seen a player like that.
That's a rat just around again, you just out of
like being a street guy. You can't take a guy,
you know, some guy in the area where there's no
crime and take him to an area with his crime.
He's gonna vote, he's not gonna be able to understand
what's going on. So it's kind of similar to like
taking a guy that's a rat and then introducing them
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to a guy that has no experience. You know, that's
just no substitute for a guy that's a rat, and
it helped them. But they're teaching because a guy that's
a rat, he gets it right away. Oh the same
on Ballline. Oh you just show me something now, I'm
gonna get all these steals. A rat is gonna you know,
a guy that knows the game and can I set
the game, He's gonna understand that right away because he
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has a field. You know, this is not a great field. Um.
I think that that's where coach and n i success
came when he was at the Medias Hills for all
those years. Um, and even with coach Tang, we've had
our success because he was also able to recognize a
kid that actually had it. You know, you either have
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it or you don't. And that's the problem with sports.
You know a lot of times we can see something
and we can say, wow, you know that kid could
be something. But how many times have that that Have
we've seen a guy like that? Well a lot of times.
You know these kids, You see a kid, you see
something in the kid, but he doesn't see it in himself,
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so he doesn't necessarily believe in it. But you see it,
We see it. We're basketball people, and then he doesn't
have the as you mentioned earlier, sometimes that guidance man,
the guidance that voicing his ear to to kind of
keep him on the right path. A lot of times
dudes lose motivation because they don't have that. You know,
Bundini Brown, if you will, you know Mohammad Ali's hype man.
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You know, you always need that hype guy, that that
makes you believe, believe in yourself, believing your game. Man,
it sounds like, you know, people in the neighborhood that
you grew up in, they it was a double as source.
So you know why, when the going was good, they
make you feel great. But when the going gets tough
a little bit, they're gonna be your biggest detractions. And
that's okay, I feel like, and you tell me from
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wrong here. Did that type of surrounding an atmosphere, man,
Did that make you stronger in the sense that you
you feel you feel like you could pretty much take
anything or deal with anything. Yeah, you know what it did,
because at some point you have to realize that you
can't let people control you, you know, you know, they
can't rest spacing your head, you know, And that's exactly
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what was happening at that time. And like I said,
a lot of that happened because uh, lack of a
father figure. You know, I didn't have a mail, and
you know, of course my mother would tell me, oh,
you know, but when you listen to your mom, you know,
you know, you're saying, Mom, you don't really understand, because
these dudes really coming hard. You know, you know she understood.
But you know a lot of times where we think
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when we're young, is I'm the one doing this. I'm
the one running these laps and running these seventeens and
playing in these games where I relied on to get
twenty and thirty and you know what I mean, And
and you know, get this look and this opportunity because
I remember I ended up going to Superstars camp as
a bar yeah, as a junior, going to be a singer,
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and you know that was where everybody was at, you know,
and and that's when you start to realize, you know
what I mean, I'm not as good as I thought
I was. You know what I'm saying, Man, it's a trip.
It's a trip when you go and see all how
many ball players are really out there, and it's and
this dudes that be good that you never heard of.
They'd be good. They're tall. He's like, God, damn, who
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is this? You know this crazy? Shoot? Good shoot? I
remember I went to Superstars cap Man. It was this
dude named Sean Pennington from Hayward, California. Bro. He looked
like l J. Larry Johnson. Bro. He was out here
when million he had to. He had the s curl
like Tommy Davids back in the day. He had the
nice s curl. This dude was up in here win million.
I mean absolutely turned it out. But it opens your
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eyes and let you know, it gives you a good
gage on where you stand. And for me, I know
when I got back to the crib and I was
running hills, I was doing all kind of stuff working
out on the track, I was extra motivated because of
that experience right right, and and I think that that
did that for me. But it also bought a reality
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that you know, maybe I need to be more realistic
about my basketball journey or I'm at it's a tough.
That's a tough. That's a tough And that was that
was that was kind of an eye opener. I think
that what I tell the kids now that they have
that we didn't have. Is that opportunity only came once.
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Now every year you look forward to AU season where
you have this four or five six months just you
see everybody. If you want to see him, you have
a choice. Just that was you know what we call that.
It was a suicide mission. He was going there one
way and you was gonna come back another way. I
mean it was either gonna go there and be that
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be him or he was gonna come back and be
a fan like because you know my boy who passed
away and he was solid in high school, Jason Hodges.
You know, you know there's a buddy of mine with
the Pedro right after Raymond Tuch, he came. His roommate
at camp was Jason Terry j And that was when
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I started to say, danger is that If that's what
high major is, I need to go work my ass off.
I got a lot of work to do. And j
t ended up doing some great things as we all
we both know. And uh, after l. A. Marshall, where
did you move on to or what was your next
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stop in your coaches coaching journey man? Great question? Um.
After Marshall, I ended up getting the teaching job so
at the time, man, it was so crazy because it
was kind of like when that you know, it was
like that stage where that was when they just started
to just drag teachers, you know, you know, especially in
l A Unified. Oh you know, oh, a lot of
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underachieving students, yeah scores and you know, they were making
teachers take two years extra bits. Uh And I think
they still do that. But it was just a lot
of crazy things went on, and there were not a
lot of jobs. So you know, when there's not a
lot of jobs, where do you go to the roughest area.
I went right over there to Sampedro and Imperial and
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uh I put my term my resume and the goppers
and uh got a job there in uh oh six
oh seven. And when I got the job there, I
served the year before I sewed, before I actually um
got the job. There's a guy there by the name
of Mr Curry. He's a legendary guy, k c that's
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what everybody called him. And he used to coach a
verb and he knew d d A d A knows
coach very well. And he had a little connections and
he told me that he had an opportunity for us
of Holly Hollywood High School. So we ended up I
ended up coaching the year at Hollywood. While I'm coaching
at Hollywood. At the time, they had a tournament at
Washington they used to have coach j used to put
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it on and Locke was there. So Lock seeing me,
and somebody kind of introduced me to the coach at
the times named Stephen Mennicks, and he said, man, you
you the teacher that I've heard heard about the teachers
that college that coaches. He's like, man, I'm ready to
resign here, and they're gonna make me the a b
over Green Dot because at the time Locke was turning
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into Green Dot and going away from the district and
returning the charter. Like, they're gonna make me a d
over these charter schools, and I'm gonna need somebody to
replace me. He's like, hop on with me for a
year and then I'm gonna, you know, give you, you know,
handing the job. So I coached with him after Hollywood
from o eight to oh nine, and then I was
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at Hollywood from I mean Hollywood. I was at Locked
from that time oh eight oh nine all the way
to two thousand and fourteen. While I resigned and that
was when I had day Beyond Draper at a lock
who ended up playing at FIU and at Low Valley.
It was a big time star. Man six seven PG
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was recruited by s c CAL Washington State, Oregon State
came in my practice. Man, I was crazy bring having
those coaches. Ben Johnson who was assistant at Washington State
at the time, he came down to practice. Uh So,
Man Draper was a big time Draper actually plays in
Brazil now. He's been a proteer now for about six
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seven years, so he's he's doing great. So that was
like my first star player in the Coliseum League. It
was I had Draper there who ended up in f
I had Michael Shavers who ended up playing at UH
Eastern Illinois. And then when you when look when you
talk like to have players. I want people in my
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artists to understand this and understand where Locke is, to
understand what Gompers is. Understand just kind of the type
of guys were talking about. It's on the east side
of Los Angeles, so it's it's in probably one of
the most destitute areas of the city. It's a school
that is under resource underserved obviously, and you and you
took a job at a school without a lot of resources.
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How difficult was that to coach, to develop players and
to build a winner. In a situation like that, it
brings me, It brings you, It brings you back to
what we talked about in the beginning. You know, it's
like I've really discovered how I really love a game,
and therefore it gave me this certain love for those
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kids because I just wanted to see them succeed. So
it kind of like I just became they became like
my offspring in a sense, because I just wanted to
see them be successful when I've seen the potential and
I told them, hey, have you fore we follow this blueprint,
we're gonna have a honest success, and you're gonna have
a lot of success because guess what, people on this
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side of town, they're not supposed to get out. And
those kids took that conversation and they motivated them, and
they just took it and ran with it. You know.
Don Weppo had a son who played a door seat,
and I had a kid on the team in two
thousand uh two thousand and ten, two thousand eleven. His
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name was uhlp uh Edward Talbert and he had never
dunked in the game and uh Don's son was big time.
End up playing in lamar Man. This kid picks up
a loose ball, goes down the floor and Don's son
jumped and he jumped and he dumped on his son.
And they came up with me after the game. He said,
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who is that kid? And I said, that's Edward. They're like, man, well,
what are you doing over here? And that was you know,
and that was just simple, just let's get in the
weight room. That's work. Let's work. Let's work, because we've
got to outwork people. And I think that the kids
had that David and Gelive approach like but people don't
understand about David. And the story of David is that
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before he even fought Goliath, he had already killed the
lion and the bear. So killing the liab with the
sings sling shode was nothing. He had already killed two
other beasts, but you know with the sling side. So
I'm really big on mental, you know, the mental aspect
of the life. Nobody can attack your peace unless you
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let them. And each of those kids that everything is
starting in their mind and they got to play with
their hearts. That's just what I preached. I don't care
about who we have to go take down, who we
have to play. I think that if you can teach
kids that they have to be have a mental approach
and play with their heart. Man, if you don't have
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those type of guys, then't you know it's hard to coach. Well,
you're you're developing mens. You give them some skills, tools
that they can use for the rest of their life.
So it's not just about this game or the sport.
What you're teaching them is hard when the time, when
times are tough, the tough get going, and that is
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it sounds like a cliche, but that's just the reality
of the people that make it. In the people that don't,
it's it's either you do or you don't. So either
like you say, like people, you know, someone's gonna control
your thinking or control your circumstances, tell you what you're
gonna be, or you're gonna be who you want to be.
And that's that's just the bottom line with with with
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it all. Man. When you at Lock, when you guys
had that success and you started getting players, were were
their thoughts at any point in that journey at Lock
where you're like, man, I need to move on something bigger.
My talents will be already to sort of graduate onto
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something else. Was there a time with that or or
would you had been contented standing a lot twenty some years?
You know, Man, that's a great question because basketball, but
it comes down to coaching. It's so political. Um because
for me it's hard because I'm a teacher, so I've
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got I've invested so much time in the l A unified.
I'm kind of you know, I'm kind of on defence
at times because I'm like, if I leave this community
and I gotta deal with starting all over with tenure
and what if I don't what if they don't like
me there? And now I get fired and now I'm
only scrambling and I left fifteen years of service behind.
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So yeah, at at the time then I would think
that a lot. But but the problem was that when
I say a lot, the first thing people think I was, Oh,
you were with the bad kids or you were kids
that don't listen. How would you work with these great kids?
You probably would be too tough on them. M You know,
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it looked at me more as a villain instead of
an asset. So I interviewed for several jobs, but when
I would mention where I was coming from, they kind
of would kind of ton of death there to it
because they thought that I worked with gang members, guys
that you know. Even when I was mentioned to them players,
they were missing to me, like, oh, coach, we heard
about that player. We heard he had, you know, some
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behavior problems. We heard about the time when you guys
had the Royal Rumba with Crimshaw. Because while I was
there in my chair, we had a water coach water Coach.
I remember the video. I remember the video. Somebody had
the video. Yeah, yeah, we had the Royal Rumba with
with we have with with Crisshaw. So I had a
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lot of things going, you know with so Bob Rappy
Tayson was out there as the you know, because the
other day somebody mentioned that because we had a little
thing going on at Westminster where when the king Do
kids tried to get half and I didn't move, and
they said, oh man, and ain't the that ain't the web,
That ain't the lock web. He would have been clearing
the floor out, you know, running all over the place
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for those days and past you know, so going into
some of these opportunities that I thought I shouldn't have
should have got it, I didn't because you know, I
had this reputation of, you know, being kind of like
a no nonsense, in your face type of guy that
would challenge not only uh my players, but even the opponent.
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You know, when I kind of thought that they were
on the line, you know you could have you know,
you could you know, you kind of I would tell her.
You know I have problems with coaches where I would
tell them, you know, you kind of created this because
you could have kind of let you know, kind of
could have let up off. You know, you know, you
got the kids chief shotting. You don't think these kids
from the East Side go cheap. You know, you bring
that to them. You know, you bring that over there,
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You're gonna get what you come for. So it was
tired and that was it. You know, so you understand
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But where where Isn't it a trip? Though? That if
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you take us when we grew up our era. We
grew up in the person you just described. Somebody that's
in your face, somebody that was passionate about his job,
didn't take stuff, you know, that type of I wouldn't
say disciplinarian, but that type of mentor. That was the
mentors that I grew up with, a Crenshaw that I
was around my entire life with my dad, his friends,
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people here, you know, people that you know, talk to
me sternly in my face, told me the truth and
didn't pull no punches. But it's it's such it's such
a trip to see that that type of mentor would
be viewed as a villain nowadays or you know in
the future. You know that type of person now or
your personality it's just too tough. You know, you you
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don't acquiesca enough. You don't like, you know, fit in
with the crew. I mean it's like, wait a second,
hold on, man, Like, do you want to what do
you want in this position? Do you want somebody that's gonna,
you know, basically be a yes minute. Do you want
somebody that's gonna stand on his own and his awn't
own too, and believe and stand for something? Uh? So
so anyway, I find that really want I want to
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talk to you about that because it's kind of off
the subject, but I want to give a different assessment
of what you're saying, and it's kind of goes to
the NBA level. Break it down, let's talk about it
real quick, because I think that it even happens because
like sometimes I think in my you know, with the
background that I have and some of the success I've
had and being around a lot of good people like
you uh eto uh d a uh like people that
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have really in this basketball world. You know, they know
what's going on and know what time it is. Yeah,
are in the rooms with these people that make some
of these decisions to give people opportunities to make you know,
good money. Fact, they go to that guy when things fail.
They searched for that guy. You know, you ever watch
those movies where that guys were tired, that used to
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just kill stuff like a Rambo over there somewhere in
a in a in a cabinet and just chilling. When
things go bad, they fine get him the kind of
like Boston, you know, when Brad Stevens couldn't get things
done because they're six seven guys looking at him like, man,
you ainte telling us not to control those dudes. Look
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what happens They bring in the guy that can see
what seven you know, God, that's in your face. Then
on the back side, he had other issues. That's the
thing that I look at. I'm flawed. I come with
stuff and can't you accept that when I come through
that door? Are you willing to say, hey, we we
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know that you do X, y Z, but we're willing
to tolerate that if you can get us to this level.
I think a lot of time that's where we kind
of get that, you know, the whole down, you know,
the kind of like no, don't we get we get
lets they say they play us down. He's capable, but
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this is what you have to deal with. So then
you get pushed to the left. Although I feel like
I am able and capable to do some of these
high profile jobs, I think that I still have to
work on other aspects of my professionalism just to at
least be able to tolerate some of the things that
come with those jobs. Yeah, there are things that come
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with those jobs that you have to be able to
look at except and then kind of turning back on
you know, and not have kind of like a voice
on it, you know. No, Yeah, and that's that's part
of it, is maturity, and the other part of it
is figuring out if that's you know, what you want
to you know, be involved with, Like do I want
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to be that guy that spent twenty years here, turned
my head and a bunch of stuff, had to adjust
and edit my personality pretty much beat somebody that I
wasn't for twenty years, just so I can hold onto
this check, get this little notoriety, have these accolades, get
this retirement. I mean, it's just it's it's it happens
all the time. It's a choice that people make. You've
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seen people O. G. S people before us, and they're
gonna be people after us, and then everyone has to
make that choice, you know what I'm saying with absolutely,
So getting back to what you were talking about with
me being a lock, you know, when I was at Lock,
when I was getting ready to leave, was how I
got connected to who you know very much well, one
of your guys, one of your dogs that was in
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the fight back then, the Maria Jones. You know, I
was able to connect the Maria with of course, how
did you get connected to the Maria. So you know,
you know another Chris saw Krueger who would probably getting
mad if I mentioned it. So I'm just gonna say
his initials on here because he he doesn't like to that.
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Everybody doesn't like to take credit for things with d H. Okay,
So d H is the one. Okay, that's what I
called my neighborhood here bro find me this local talent
to me. So d H brought the mar to me
and me and the Maria, you know, we established a
really good relationship while I was at Lock, and uh,
you know he we ended up being able to bring
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him over to Narbonne when I resigned, because although I resigned,
I resigned because I had a family matter to having.
My grandparents had passed apart, and that was my mom's
parents and she was going through it and I had
to be there for her family and things like that.
So I didn't want to still be connected coaching, and
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I wanted to help Themorrow. So I went to Narbonne
for those three years and we had some success were
you know, actually came with us. Remember I don't know
if you remember that. Yeah, I love it. I love
I love that team Jamal Hicks. That's it was, y'all beefy.
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But for those that are familiar with Maria Da Maria
Jones went to um Or Roberts, so he and Juco.
But god, that guy's story is so was so amazing
because remember De Mario had some initial challenges academically, overcame them,
became was eligible. Was like city player of the year
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just came out of nowhere. One year varsity basketball absolutely
turned it out. And then with the Juco route and
then you know, I looked then I look up. I
swear man, it was like I hadn't heard what was
doing for a couple of years and I look up
and he had grabbed seventeen rebounds in the battle. I
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was like, wait, it was like, you know, Farl Roberts.
I was like, DeMar, yeah, man, one of my all
time favorite kids. Man, one of my all time favorite
kids and was a part of us. Some great things
have happened there with all the n C double, a
run with the team, you know, the first title, so
things that will always be there twenty years, thirty years,
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forty years. And he got his degree. I mean he
got his degree and and about to get up a
Master's anybody to get a masters in the veggest, right,
I mean, come on, come on, you don't get no
better than that story. That's the story. I need to
get his but on here because that's the bottoms of
the forties. Man to the to the top of the
hill and still and truly someone that came from from that,
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straight from that without the mud mom, truly trut out
the mud dad, straight out the mud man. Lost both
of them lost still, but still kept it moving. He's
still stud tall, you know. And uh, does it give
you a special sense of satisfaction when you were able
to influence the lives of somebody like a Maria or
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somebody like a Fidelist or any any of your players? Yeah?
Doesn't really? Is that why you do it with? You know,
I do. I do it for that, but I also
do it for the satisfactor. And I'm knowing that. You know,
I've always felt like you earn your stripes here because
it's temporary to get to the next level, which is
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you know, we we we know having our hell you
know you are, how you live here is how you
graduate to the next level. And I just believe in
services kJ That's why It's always loved when I see
you because your service at a point, you service to Mario.
You've helped out with his recruitment and getting them connected
to and I hope I can say this on here.
You know, of course, of course you did him connected
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to laughing and and and being being kind of like
a vessel for an underdog. You know, a kid that
kind of got this service through this thing. And uh,
you know, you motivate me because if I don't have
that connection to you, or we don't have that type
of love for each other, that never happens. You see
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more guys that turn their death ear on those type
of situations than guys that are winning to chump in.
We talked about that with like guys Carl Lewis or
people turn their back on those potential great grade success stories,
then they then they gravitate towards it. And that's why
I'm still a Kingdre. People don't know a lot about Kendrew.
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You know, I gotta say this on the air here.
One thing is you don't get a recruited Kendrew. You
get a ninth grader. So the only recruit you can
really get is a a top ninth grader, which is
very difficult to get in this air. And why can't
you get a recruit into Keydrew siver on the like
laces they go off system where if you are not Yeah,
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if you have you have to have sibling credit. Um,
you have to you have to be in a cohort
as a come into school and leave the school. The
same answer. So it's very rare that you can be
a tenth grader enter the core because you missed a
portion of what they have. Whether there are better in
their curriculum being a medical magnet, wow, we don't. So
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the success that we've had and I'll tell these tell
the kids, and being able to even get a kid
to be a Division one player is far very difficult.
There's no athletic period there, there's one gym there, there's
not multiple ways to develop, you know, the way I
would like to. So, so let me ask you this.
So it's a medical magnet school? Is the curriculum, King Drew?
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Is it? So? The ones of your players, the classes
that they're taking. It's pretty difficult in a sense because
that very rigorous. Uh damn. Most of the students you know,
they're gonna they're gonna definitely be academically inclined, not necessarily
athletically incline. If you can get and athletically and academic
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student student in that school, it's probably a kid that
probably wouldn't have went to like Harvard, Westlake or because
that's how academically is there. You know, Like, I have
a kid there and I'm not gonna say that he's struggling,
but I'm gonna say he's being a child less if
that makes sense? Where you know, where he can go to?
Maybe I would say Narva and just probably just sit
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here and I'll be like, man, what are you doing?
You know? You know there it's kind of like you know,
did you do? You know? As a as opposed to
he's not doesn't have enough work, he has too much work.
He if he doesn't stay on top of it, it's
gonna pile up and it's gonna basically overwhelmed him. You know.
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So yeah, it's difficently So tell you the story for
that is so Kirk, here's a primary example. But that's
what Kirk. When he was a senior Stanford call, he
was playing out of his mind. You know, remember how
you talking about the two hand volleyball blob. Remember how
he was this plan this, he was playing his mind.
Then we went on that state run. Well we ended up.
Then they're coming with him one game of going to
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Sacramento and then the COVID hit right that hit. It
made him recruitment blow up because everybody started thinking about
the what if you know, what if this? What if that?
You know? So because they because Reggie wanted to take
him on the y not team at the time, it
called me and said, hey, well but we you this
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thing don't play out. I want I want Fadellas. So
Stanford called and to tell you about the how crazy
it is if Fordellas was at Washington with the Stanford
because it's transcript with a body probably been crazy. All
a's maybe a couple of bees. Kim Drew he had
too many seeds. He had a p classes but he
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had seeds like man because we love to touch him.
But he got too many seeds. The school won't a
man because in order for Stanford the Gaina Scholarship, you
have to be admitting into the university. So then guess
what coach Gibb you know it sounds that Navy he
called because they were thinking King Drew. This is a
kid that's gonna have uh, you know, immacing and transcript
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and touch him. That's how he ended up in north Ridge,
you know. Uh and the same thing. You know, we're
dealt with the you know, we dealt with that with
Kocy a little bit. The academic rigor. You know, we're
dealt with that with You have to take those type
of classes to be take there like that. Remember how
I was telling you the core, Oh, the Core. So
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you're you're signing up to take the class. You know,
can you slapping? Yeah, telling you man, it's slapping up there.
You you can play around with it, you know. You
you give your food because it's kind of like a
it's kind of like a public private school because you know,
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you got the uniform, you got the nice academic rigor,
you know, and it's and it's not in the greatest area,
but the school is safe. They have a no tolerance
for everything, you know, drugs, fighting, you know, you do
anything out of here, there's no Oh, you know, we're
gonna give you another chance. You fight, yaut It called
doing this y'all. So you know, it's just in that regard,
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any kid could go there because if you don't follow
the guidelines you know you're going. So I just wanted
to make sure that I said that on this, you know,
on your show, just letting people know the success we
had has just been it's been really really a Keen
Drew kid. It hasn't been he went and got this guy.
That not not not that I'm knocking any coach that
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has that, you know, amenity to do that. Fox Sports
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not knocking that. But there's also something special about developing
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a kid from ninth grade on. It's spending those every
day for four years and then you guys are winning
the championship. You guys are you know, close to winning
the City Open Division championship with kids that are basically
homegrown talent, right that have that have been all together.
So there's a special sense of satisfaction to that. We
don't knock you know, the guys that go get them dogs.
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I just want to make sure that. But we're big up,
but we're big up the Lloyd Websters of the city,
of the state of the country that are able to
do more with less. So and that's something that I
saw firsthand, Lloyd. So look, man, when you first got
the job at King Drew, was it two thousand seventeen seasons?
So that season, so I remember, I was doing the
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real Run Fall League with d ed Linwood, and I remember,
you know King Drew. I had never heard of the school.
I knew you were coaching, so I was trying to
load you up with matchups. You're bringing through the whole program,
varsity h j V. I think, you know, maybe and
then freshman, yeah, I did. Yeah, if we were and
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we were more three courts. But I what I remember
about you in that program, you had already were instilling discipline.
You guys were creating sort of a reputation, in forming
an identity for yourselves. Even back then some of them,
you know, you get blown out a lot of the games,
but then there's then later like week three, you guys
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were starting to get in games. Stuff was like you
know that that that margin was closed and closed. Then
you start snapping some foods, you start knocking off, chipping
off some foods like yeah, heat over there at all
and act like, yeah, you know it wasn't because the
second week was now now heat over there. Man. It
was a great fight. That was That was man, you know.
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And that's why I say, you know, a lot of
the building of the program came with the resources and
the and the networking and the good friends and I
made over the years. I don't think that that that
just suc sess comes with without having people that kind
of like appreciate what you do and they think of
you when they want good sound people to come around it,
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because you know, that's a great venue you guys actually
had there, and we didn't want people that are gonna
come in and create a great environment in that venue.
You don't want people are gonna come and tear it down.
And that's what I appreciated about, you know why when
you were there and the things that you were doing,
and you and d A and Coach Crow and that
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he still does. You know, those environments, man, those make
guys they understanding and then and it builds a great
reputation that will last a lifetime. And that's why I
was so adamant about getting on this show, just because
you know, we have a relationship man, and stands back
beyond the Marier. You know Mac Compton magic movie over there,
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with with with with you, with you, with your son,
that some great things, you know. Proud of that young
man as well. Has you know, been on a nice
little journey of his um and uh, you know, like
I said, man, I just his his props. Man, you
know what I mean. Proud of you, man, But I'm
proud of you and I appreciate that where but I'm
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proud of you. Man. I wanted to just just talk
about the satisfaction man of and I know it was
a little bit of sweet last year because to get
all the way to the mountaintop and then not to
not to achieve the ultimate goal. But you guys didn't.
You guys had an amazing showing throughout the entire situation.
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Talk about though the kids Caleb account was was there
was there a disappointment or was there a sense of
satisfaction after losing in the city championship last year? You know,
calib Accounms is really just a special player. He's like
a once in a lifetime type of player. You know,
he came there highly touted. You know, the King Drew
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and I was just blessed to have him for four years.
I just I just can't say enough about him. You know,
he's not one of those you know, you know our coaches,
they oh, he's just I'm not about to say he's
he's he does he did everything right. But I talked about.
What I talk about is like our relationship, like we
had a certain level of understandings or whatever I needed
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for him to do, even if it was something that
was gonna hurt him, he knew that it was gonna
be in his best interest, so he trusted. Those relationships
are just so much better than the ones we have
to struggle with somebody because they don't believe what she's
said is true. And that's the only reason why I'm
thinking the end we had that success because I want
to those type of coaches where you say to me,
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and we were in a championship, I'm gonna say to you, well,
let's go do it, and I'm gonna do everything in
my power to put you in position. So Canna put
the work in as a player, and I put the
work in as a coach, And my job as a
coach was to make those other guys believe in his vision.
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And once they realized, oh he is the one, this
is the way that we need to go. I think
that what happens though, And you know this as a player,
you've been in these positions. I just you know, I've
I've watched you. You know, as a player, you know, um,
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somebody else has a step up. There's always another long hero.
You know, if you talk about the Lakers, you're gonna
talk about Shack and Kobe, but then you're gonna bring
up Fisher. Sorry, sorry, So I think that that's what
happened this season. We just never had another guy that
was gonna separate himself from to be the next guy
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or the guy that was gonna you know that that
guys will remember him, but you gotta remember that kid
in the championship. It's just gonna always be came of
accounting what didn't happen. You know, we had a couple
of guys step up periodically, but never to the point
of where we would have been able to take that
championship without Caleb. Happened like forty or something crazy, and
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then that's having a crazy defensive game. You know what
we did come back and he was capable of the
definitely capable, But you know what happened during that game,
but I don't remember. I don't remember. There was a
kid and he's gonna be really good that about three
year his name was Donald Thompson. Light skinned. Kid hit
about two three threes in the corner when he had
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about end up, but he ended up with twenty. It
was a portion of the game. He probably hit like
two back to back threes and we cut it to
like probably like about eight. It was about four or
thirty four left, and Jacob came down caleus brother and
he tried to go underneath instead of kicking it back out,
and that would have put us down five for the
warning because the momentum, you know, basketball, is that moment.
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They would have went down and they would have felt
that pressure as they used to say that booty get tight.
It would have ended up doing something crazy and we
would have went back and cut into two. What she
cult of the two and you gotta start like the
count you know what time? You know, that's when we
kid the whole time. All of those games came down
to the fourth quarter. He at his age, we was
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down six with about three thirty left, right, I said,
you know what, man, it's been a great season. Man,
I love you guys. Garless. That little dude said what
we he was we what came out? Stole the ball?
He went down like he was gonna go to the basket.
Pomp back out, three down, came back down again, deal,
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come back down down the three ball tied it up.
Now we tied up. Crowd how his own hushbold, what
just happened? And guess what that was? Like two thirty
left to go in the game and its signed up,
So it's like zero zero. Here we go. Now that's
still lay up. Step back for another three, go up,
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it's over. He's start, he's around there. We do you
know we have to go over the town. Oh they
dick A J. Johnson and and the big lefty you know, yeah,
he was cold and they had another little nothing little
slicer and diicer. Oh. I'm like, man, you know, let's
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see what happens. You know, they come out on fire
twelve on't run boom, they pin pinned down a j.
They crowd said, who's King Drew? Who's King Drew? Sudden
he started do you high screening? They seen anohing woom.
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He started looking at them talking to the boom doing
the Kobe. The know he comes, they see y'all know, man,
I got me up six three to go. Then we
went up twelve. We got crazy. They were so concerned. Man,
we came up at a point. I mean, once we
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reversed the ball, guys can just walk to the basket.
We just had guys, they just got They had like
three guys trying to guard. He need just out there
and then he just you know, he's a point guard.
So he just cutting cut through the your gap and boom,
I'm gonna got cutting him. Yeah. Man, that was the
number one seed seed. But I don't think people talking
about enough is we took out the number one seed.
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People would never really understand that cage. How difficult that
we didn't take it. We didn't meet at the house
at the house house there. They were number one seed
and we took them out at their house. That's a
huge win. In front of the head coach from Cow
that's a huge win. Yeah, he was there. He's like, man,
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you got tough man. You know. I don't know if
you know that guy used to be at Georgia. Yeah, Mark,
Mark Fox, there you go, that's his name. That's it.
So So how do you after last season's sort of
just hyes, how do you come down to earth and
prepare for this season life without Mr lacun Bro. How
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do you again get back to where you were last year?
Win the commers in the league and then win or
at least making fun of for the city. Man, that's
gonna be tough. It was tough last year. It's never easy.
You know, it's not easy. It's it's there's no but man,
I lay my hat on what Floyd Mayweather and and
and you know, and Baltimore Ravens and and all these
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other top top you know, teams that live their legacy
behind defense. I lay my hat on that. I don't
believe that you when it comes down to a war,
it's them dudes is willing to get dirty. It's nothing
more dairy than defense. Hardcore. You can you can, you can.
You can turn a lot of guys off being physically
defensively on this old school like that. Man. I remember
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Chris all games. Man. You know what, when I remember playing,
we played the time to play Christial you know that
would be on the schedule. I tell kids back when
we play, we only played seventeen games a year. You know,
I've got to get to play twenty eight. They don't
believe that. Like if you try the kid kJ that
you want to play seventeen games. Actually, how did you
get to u c L A player? Don't even saying
that's how we was hoping. That's how we was hoping.
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We was hoping. That's even team game was in blood
like he was doing. So what I remember all the
time is how much you heard after those games as
it was physical. And I tell the kids all the time,
I said, that's what people remember after the fight, the recovery.
Think about it when you're fighting. It's when you wake up.
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That's what you said. I want to fight that dude
no more. I hope I don't never see him again,
you know what I mean. But you don't think about
that when you're fighting. You know what I mean, You're
just trying to win. It's after you start saying, damn,
I gotta not right here, Hey, I gotta no not
back here, start feeling stuff. You didn't know, my arm
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kind of feel kind of funny, man, swinging it were
wrong way, you know. So that's the type of things
that I tell the kids. If it hurts, you know,
you've been effective. That's not hurt you. Then you didn't
do anything. You just out there going through the motions.
If you don't hurt after a basketball game, kJ, you
didn't do that, what did you do? Like if you
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don't feel no pain, you don't gotta scratch, you don't
got a little not you don't got a little You
didn't really get in the fight. Yeah, you're not doing something.
You're you're not in the mix. And that's the hardest
thing to tell these players. Now, you want to know
the hardest thing it is to tell these guys as
a coach, you can never ever ever that's your effort.
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You can't measure it. You can't measure effort because your
effort in my effort is different, your idea of effort, year,
your idea, you know what I mean. Like everybody has
this perception of I'm doing hard. You are to play
with a dude like that, and you are not going hard.
You are you are not. You will tell you they
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go to stop it, dude, you already know you know
you just had to do. They used to just hang
out right there at the top and just guard the
top so you can take off a I'm kidding out here, Bro,
you ain't doing nothing. You know what you're doing this
standing in front and let the guy go by. We're
playing all the d you know, So just saying I
just say that the same like kids just believe they
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play so hard. Now, man, I bet you if you
talk to some of these guys after these games and
you interviewed them, he say, hey, let me talk to
for hello on the on the scull of one and tea,
and how hard you think you played? I guarantee you
they're gonna say a team. They're not gonna And if
you tell them but I'm getting you're five, man, they're
gonna say, are you crazy? Man? Hater? You're hating hut
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out to like Mikey or tell that to these guys
that are Feenis Man, they think you're crazy, you know.
And and and a lot of people will say, man,
don't they just don't believe a lot of these guys
play hard. You know, they just don't. I don't. I
don't really see kids playing as hard as I used to.
You know, I used to see kids that really really
played hard. They may have not has been as talented,
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but they definitely played the game hard. Yeah, I can
agree these guys nowadays, they got all the bills and whistles,
they got the skill set, they got the between the legs,
behind the back step back trip. But but but but
they you know, do they are they tired? Are they
do they have to come out? Do they have to
come out the game because they are just going so
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hard that they just need to blow or they coming
out the game because you know they just chilling. I'll
tell you what. The kid, a kid that plays hard.
H this kid, Marcus Adams out of North Bonne. I
don't know if you see he plays hard. He plays hard.
Absolutely that that kid plays hard. Bro Man, I'm gonna
tell you right now. And he's dangerous. And I had
to call Coach Hill the other day and uh say, man,
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you know Coach Hill have been riding the raven about
himself somebody right because you know he he had he
had left it came back. I saw that. So you know,
he'll been telling guys about him, you know, and uh,
the E took a liking to him early, you know,
because you know that you know He'll and the are
pretty close, and he took a liking to him early
and saying, you know, you know, coach, I believe it,
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and you know the rest is history. So the A
gonna laugh. You know, yeah, the A already knew what
time it was. You know what I'm saying something, And
you're talking about a guy that you know, no nobody
has done more in the community than than d A. Man.
Shout out the d A. Anthony Linkston. Yes, sir, the
man big time in the community. Yeah, he loves he
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does it for the love man. He he doesn't care.
He didn't care about anything but helping. I mean, he's
a he's a great influence. He's somebody that we all
looked up to, a big old g that does things
the right way and keeps it real at the same time.
That's what I love about d A all the time, man,
all the time. Man. And guess what, man, all right,
A man of his word. Facts you're not don't don't
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don't don't don't don't, don't don't go at d A.
If you're not a man of your word, Yeah, get
the shout. I'll tell you guys out there, man, let
let the O g B. If you're not a man
of your word, let the use We all let you go.
Sure we keep that you know all right, you know, yeah,
yeah for sure, Man, protect the a well coach Webb. Man,
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I appreciate you taking the time today brother to hop
on kJ live. Man. It's been a true honor blessing
to talk to you today. Bro. I love this conversation
and uh, I love what you're doing. Man. I love
the commitment that you have to teach you that you
have to the game and that you have to catch
to help him the next generation kids. Man, It definitely
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it definitely resonates and you we can really sense that
you truly mean every word you say, my brother, Man,
I appreciate the conwerse kJ Man. Thanks for having me, Man,
and you know already know, Man, I'm a sieve you
down on line champion, Yes, sir, I appreciate you, ladies
and gentlemen. Lloyd Webster signing off Man, much love, peace,
This is kJ Live with Chris john Sallen and Chris
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Who's the head coach? King Drew Boys Varsity Basketball? They
were CIF City Open Division finalist last year, took a
tough one of Fairfax almost won the championship. We got
Lloyd Webster in the building, coach. What's good with you? Man?
All a? Well, Man, I appreciate you for having me
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man in a long time coming. Man, you know in
on here with a l A city legend, man, somebody
that I have a great deal of respect for it
and look up too. So and I'm just I'm streaming
humble today. Well man, I appreciate you, brother for making
the time. Bro, I've been watching you. We we we
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we reconnected. Uh several years ago. I don't know if
you remember Man University High School. I think it was
might have been a um, you know, hoop master's situation
up there. I don't I don't know what it was,
but we had reconnected it. I think my son was
like a sophomore or junior in high school. But it
was fun to reconnect with you. I was kind of
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there before you had got the King Drew job. Man.
I was always interested because you always were a basketball dude. Man.
Your knowledge of the game, your command of the game,
and just you knew everything we were talking about. Man,
you knew about everything that I that I knew about
I was wondering. Man, just talk a little bit about
your background, your beginnings, you know, the foundation of Lloyd
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Webster in this in this hoop game. Yeah, Man, you
know I started out like most guys planning at the
planning at the park, you know, and a lot of
older guys you're like, Man, you don't mind thinging, you
know down there, down low, and you you know, you
sacrifice the body a lot. You know, you might, you know,
trying to go play a little higher level, man, trying
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for the squad or something. By the time, man, I
was living in Compton and my grandmother lived in Rental, Diminus.
But back back then, you know, there was a lot
of invisible lines that would keep you going to a
secular school. So where she lived that when my mom
ended up moving to that school, was banning, so we
can only go to banking. But my mom at the
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time was working for the district, so she ended up
getting me and permitted to It's in Carson High School.
So that was when my boys in middle school. Would
you know, they would be like, hey, man, the bees
and seeds are trying out. You know, let's go see
if we can get on the bees and see squad
and you know that we can make that. We know
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we can get on the tape before, you know, because
we were hearing all of this stuff about dudes and Carson.
I think at the time they had like Rudy Washington,
Kyrie stay and lead, you know, eyes up there, so
you know we'll be hearing about it. Like man, you
know six and eleven. Back then, I was probably like
five ten. I wasn't here. I was nowhere near six
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ft yet. So I'm like, man, you know, this dude's
a giant. Let me make sure I'm ready for that,
you know. But you know, and you know how it
is in there, But guys are gonna pump you up
the making thinking the next Jordan, and you're like, man,
you know, so try that out with the bees and
seas as an eighth grader and coach was like, man,
you don't need to be here, you guys need to
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try out with the j B at varsity. Ended up
doing that. Uh that was like you know in the
early nineties three and UM made the JV squad And yeah,
that was my first beginning of playing who you know
at Carson and then you know, got in some trouble
at Carson. Um I had to you know, got an
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o t out fitt stuff in Narbonne recruited to go
to the Mingus Hills by coach you know, yeah getting
you know what, I was not a classroom guys. I
not have grades. One of the reasons why I had
to leave Carson because all I did was playing ditch.
I mean, what what what's going on? But why I
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want to know why. There was about five or five
thousand students of Carson, and I mean like Carson was
like a mini Balling Hills man or you know, you know,
like man, you know the influx of over there in
that area. I mean, I'm gonna tell you, man, some
of the finest of dimes man coming through there. So
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and and let me you know, it's very easily influenced
at Carson at that particular time. You know, there was
a lot going on. The football was blowing up one
in the ninety four. That was actually when I had
to transfer out. So you know, I played my my season,
my JV season there and ended up finishing out playing
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War and Norvine after my transferred. So but still would
still late you know, Chris Song Dorsey and yeah, still
did all of those things. And you know, there was
so much talent back there. Man, basketball was so different.
I sell the kids all the time. You had six
ten centers in high school and I played what I mean,
you had real true position players. The city was kind
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of like how everybody glorifies the Southern Section that was
city basketball, Like everybody had a future pro. Everybody had
a future All American. Yeah, it was that it was loaded,
and so you know, I think like at the time,
I didn't really recognize the college smiths that I had
made to even just be a recruit in the area.
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I kind of downplayed that, like away was it be
one man that was nothing, you know what I mean.
So I kind of just you know, I took it
for granted and I went to Juco route. You know,
played a couple of years of Juco Harbor, West l A.
And and then you know what, I was done playing
juco um a referee at the time my mom was dating,
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was like, hey man, you know, if you if you
don't love a sport like that anymore, you don't have
anything to get to it. Just stop playing. And that
kind of got me to thinking, like, do I really
love this game the way I you know, I think
I do? Or do I just really do it because
you know it's fun? And you know which which one
was it? Though? Did you did you love the game?
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I mean, because obviously you let the game because you're
you're a coach, So did you you just didn't like
the Was it the process of being a player? The commitment,
the expectations? Talk to me? Yeah, I think that as
a young man, you know, if I could look back,
you know, and and and really reflect, I didn't have
the guidance that a lot of guys had. They had
that father figure that reminded them that all opportunities you
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have to take advantage of. And for me, I was
always one of those guys, like because of that whole
pressure that you get as a young black male in
the inner city community, you kind of get that pressure
like you gotta be top or nothing. You don't get
the opportunity to be second place. So, you know, D
two n ai A opportunities like that, they didn't really like,
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nobody really cared about I have. But he's walking away
from those all the time and choosing other avenues. That's
that's wild because you would think that somebody that's coming
out the hood, that people were big up the fact
that he's continuing his education, that he's going to college.
Never mind you if it's a D two n i
A or Juko, why do you think that mentality was
so prevalent in your in your neighborhood. You know, when
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I think about it, I think a lot of it
have to do with the pressure of the community, because
you know, the press of the community is always you know,
if you don't if you don't make it to the
top level athlete, then you kind of failed. You know,
you didn't you kind of let the neighborhood down and
let yourself down, and let your family down because there's
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so many people that are that's and then you and
with that pressure comes the pressure to perform. And a
lot of times it was the times when you didn't
perform to your best that you started to be believed like,
well that that's what D two is, if that makes sense.
Like when you didn't, when you weren't on the level
of someone who was going to be the one that
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was gonna go, that was when you was kind of
looked at as you know, you you're the failure in
the area, like you was used as the person that
people were saying on all you remember someone so man,
they underachieved, they didn't get it done. A lot of
guys in the community like that, they had the potential
to be something great but instead kind of kind of
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got you know, second and third place, and they eventually
got subbed out because they just didn't want to keep
going because they couldn't handle you know, all of the
scrutiny that was around. You know, you go to the
local barber shop on what you're doing now, man, I'm
going up in you. Oh man, you man, you were
supposed to be doing this man, while you're not. And
when that So that's what led me to the coaching.
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But end up happening was and it's a crazy little
you know, life's are tripped men. You know, it's just
a crazy twiss to how things came about the coaching.
But my I was seeing a dating the ref at
the time. I was kind of figuring out, I'm gonna
transfer playing the little Jewicoke did a little Jewicoke thing, um,
and I ended up transferring along Beach State. At the time,
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it was it was right after so Morgan coach Morgan
Hromycuse from Syracuse coach Morgan coach Bargain was the assistant coach.
Um there was and I know the other two because
what I'm gonna take you What end up happening was
I transferred there and a buddy of mine said, you
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need to become a pete you know, a kininesiology major,
but just like an exercise science major. Hard major for sure. Right.
So I'm taking these classes. Um, everything's doing great. Uh.
And I would notice that a lot of times the
guys were practicing the gold mine. You know, I'll come
by boxing. Man. I started copping in the pickup with him,
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man whooping, and the guys was like, man, I mane,
you can hoop. And I made a lot of friends there,
and through those friends, those friends led to networking in
Long Beach Unified in place like that. So my first uh,
stop was at Mayfair High School. So I started at
Mayfair with with the with the children's brothers there. You know,
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I want to say one was and one wasn't think
one that graduated. And I started out there on frosts
off and that was when my my mom's reference said, hey,
there's an opportunity for you at L. A. Marshall. So
when I went to L. A. Marshall at the time,
it was it was a coach there. His name was
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Rod Tangent. Rod Angie was the head coach at Guardina
where we played. He was actually the Asian guy that
was at Gardena when we played, and he actually was
assistant coach with coach and I at the need Hills.
So when I shared the story, he says, okay, I
remember coach and I recruiting you in high school. We
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had a little connection there. I was with him for
about four years in the Northern League, which is like
Franklin Marshall, Lincoln Wilson, Eagle Rock on that side of town.
So you you understand where I was at. So I
got a lot of my you know, coaching fundamentals and
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background from coach Coach TANGI was still on my staff.
So so you're come from that Davia Night tree, come
from that tree, from that tree, um, you know, and
coach and I is very much connected in that community
where I you know, being at Fremont uh during that time.
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And then of course guys have had a lot of offsprings,
you know, nephews and cousins and they're all connected. And
he's actually come in a few times and actually assisted
with the program as laid you know so foundation and
has helped us out, um you know, just mentoring the guys.
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So he's coming in several times and mentoring our guys.
And uh, the likes of Fidelis Sokarak who's at birth
Ridge now, Coachyakamatu is at Santa Clara, Haleb leccown who's
at Eastern Carolina. We got ethelberta Num who's at uh Talladega,
which is an Alabama it's top n Ai n Ai school.
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And I know exactly who Ethew Burn is because he
played He played in the real Run this summer and
I was and I was actually I did a couple
of games on the mic over there, and I remember
that name, so I saw ethel Berg get down a
little bit. I was wondering where he came from. So
if you remember Ethel Bird, he's the one that that
that hit the buzzer beater UH for the championship in
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two thousand and eighteen when we won that Van Nuys
against Van Eyes, the moment hit, the hit the he's
the He's the all time hero, that's right, no matter
where when he shows up, the King Drew you know,
you know whatever. I'm yeah, legendary man and UH one
of the most excited games I have a coached in
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Radio app search f s R to listen live. Well,
let me ask you this, all this experience and mentoring,
you hear about it a lot. You hear about coaches
that are you know, come from or stem from a
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certain treat. Just talk a little bit with more specifics
about the influence that UM you and I and coach
you worked with their Gardina had on you as far
as for your basketball philosophy, game planning, program building, or
any of those type of basketball related items. I think
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the thing that I liked about UM the way that
they kind of taught our me coming under them and
their umbrella was the fact that they spent a lot
of times um character assessing the kids. They were big
on kids that played basketball outside of you know, practice,
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But we do, right. The rat that is what they
call it, you know, the first thing they say about
a kid when they assess him, and so he's not
a rat because when you're a rat, you find ways
to win games. You know, you are hustle a guy,
you are muscle a guy. You out you you play
with a guy's head. You know, you understand that talking
is a part of the game. So you talking to
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the guy all the time, and the guy's not used
to it because he's never seen a player like that.
That's a rat just around again, you just out of
like being a street guy. You can't take a guy,
you know, some guy in the area where there's no
crime and take him to an area with his crime.
He's gonna vote, he's not gonna be able to understand
what's going on. So it's kind of similar to like
taking a guy that's a rat and then introducing them
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to a guy that has no experience. You know, that's
just no substitute for a guy that's a rat, and
it helped them. But they're teaching because a guy that's
a rat, he gets it right away. Oh the same
on Ballline. Oh you just show me something now, I'm
gonna get all these steals. A rat is gonna you know,
a guy that knows the game and can I set
the game, He's gonna understand that right away because he
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has a field. You know, this is not a great field. Um.
I think that that's where coach and n i success
came when he was at the Medias Hills for all
those years. Um, and even with coach Tang, we've had
our success because he was also able to recognize a
kid that actually had it. You know, you either have
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it or you don't. And that's the problem with sports.
You know a lot of times we can see something
and we can say, wow, you know that kid could
be something. But how many times have that that Have
we've seen a guy like that? Well a lot of times.
You know these kids, You see a kid, you see
something in the kid, but he doesn't see it in himself,
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so he doesn't necessarily believe in it. But you see it,
We see it. We're basketball people, and then he doesn't
have the as you mentioned earlier, sometimes that guidance man,
the guidance that voicing his ear to to kind of
keep him on the right path. A lot of times
dudes lose motivation because they don't have that. You know,
Bundini Brown, if you will, you know Mohammad Ali's hype man.
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You know, you always need that hype guy, that that
makes you believe, believe in yourself, believing your game. Man,
it sounds like, you know, people in the neighborhood that
you grew up in, they it was a double as source.
So you know why, when the going was good, they
make you feel great. But when the going gets tough
a little bit, they're gonna be your biggest detractions. And
that's okay, I feel like, and you tell me from
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wrong here. Did that type of surrounding an atmosphere, man,
Did that make you stronger in the sense that you
you feel you feel like you could pretty much take
anything or deal with anything. Yeah, you know what it did,
because at some point you have to realize that you
can't let people control you, you know, you know, they
can't rest spacing your head, you know, And that's exactly
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what was happening at that time. And like I said,
a lot of that happened because uh, lack of a
father figure. You know, I didn't have a mail, and
you know, of course my mother would tell me, oh,
you know, but when you listen to your mom, you know,
you know, you're saying, Mom, you don't really understand, because
these dudes really coming hard. You know, you know she understood.
But you know a lot of times where we think
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when we're young, is I'm the one doing this. I'm
the one running these laps and running these seventeens and
playing in these games where I relied on to get
twenty and thirty and you know what I mean, And
and you know, get this look and this opportunity because
I remember I ended up going to Superstars camp as
a bar yeah, as a junior, going to be a singer,
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and you know that was where everybody was at, you know,
and and that's when you start to realize, you know
what I mean, I'm not as good as I thought
I was. You know what I'm saying, Man, it's a trip.
It's a trip when you go and see all how
many ball players are really out there, and it's and
this dudes that be good that you never heard of.
They'd be good. They're tall. He's like, God, damn, who
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is this? You know this crazy? Shoot? Good shoot? I
remember I went to Superstars cap Man. It was this
dude named Sean Pennington from Hayward, California. Bro. He looked
like l J. Larry Johnson. Bro. He was out here
when million he had to. He had the s curl
like Tommy Davids back in the day. He had the
nice s curl. This dude was up in here win million.
I mean absolutely turned it out. But it opens your
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eyes and let you know, it gives you a good
gage on where you stand. And for me, I know
when I got back to the crib and I was
running hills, I was doing all kind of stuff working
out on the track, I was extra motivated because of
that experience right right, and and I think that that
did that for me. But it also bought a reality
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that you know, maybe I need to be more realistic
about my basketball journey or I'm at it's a tough.
That's a tough. That's a tough And that was that
was that was kind of an eye opener. I think
that what I tell the kids now that they have
that we didn't have. Is that opportunity only came once.
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Now every year you look forward to AU season where
you have this four or five six months just you
see everybody. If you want to see him, you have
a choice. Just that was you know what we call that.
It was a suicide mission. He was going there one
way and you was gonna come back another way. I
mean it was either gonna go there and be that
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be him or he was gonna come back and be
a fan like because you know my boy who passed
away and he was solid in high school, Jason Hodges.
You know, you know there's a buddy of mine with
the Pedro right after Raymond Tuch, he came. His roommate
at camp was Jason Terry j And that was when
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I started to say, danger is that If that's what
high major is, I need to go work my ass off.
I got a lot of work to do. And j
t ended up doing some great things as we all
we both know. And uh, after l. A. Marshall, where
did you move on to or what was your next
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stop in your coaches coaching journey man? Great question? Um.
After Marshall, I ended up getting the teaching job so
at the time, man, it was so crazy because it
was kind of like when that you know, it was
like that stage where that was when they just started
to just drag teachers, you know, you know, especially in
l A Unified. Oh you know, oh, a lot of
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underachieving students, yeah scores and you know, they were making
teachers take two years extra bits. Uh And I think
they still do that. But it was just a lot
of crazy things went on, and there were not a
lot of jobs. So you know, when there's not a
lot of jobs, where do you go to the roughest area.
I went right over there to Sampedro and Imperial and
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uh I put my term my resume and the goppers
and uh got a job there in uh oh six
oh seven. And when I got the job there, I
served the year before I sewed, before I actually um
got the job. There's a guy there by the name
of Mr Curry. He's a legendary guy, k c that's
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what everybody called him. And he used to coach a
verb and he knew d d A d A knows
coach very well. And he had a little connections and
he told me that he had an opportunity for us
of Holly Hollywood High School. So we ended up I
ended up coaching the year at Hollywood. While I'm coaching
at Hollywood. At the time, they had a tournament at
Washington they used to have coach j used to put
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it on and Locke was there. So Lock seeing me,
and somebody kind of introduced me to the coach at
the times named Stephen Mennicks, and he said, man, you
you the teacher that I've heard heard about the teachers
that college that coaches. He's like, man, I'm ready to
resign here, and they're gonna make me the a b
over Green Dot because at the time Locke was turning
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into Green Dot and going away from the district and
returning the charter. Like, they're gonna make me a d
over these charter schools, and I'm gonna need somebody to
replace me. He's like, hop on with me for a
year and then I'm gonna, you know, give you, you know,
handing the job. So I coached with him after Hollywood
from o eight to oh nine, and then I was
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at Hollywood from I mean Hollywood. I was at Locked
from that time oh eight oh nine all the way
to two thousand and fourteen. While I resigned and that
was when I had day Beyond Draper at a lock
who ended up playing at FIU and at Low Valley.
It was a big time star. Man six seven PG
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was recruited by s c CAL Washington State, Oregon State
came in my practice. Man, I was crazy bring having
those coaches. Ben Johnson who was assistant at Washington State
at the time, he came down to practice. Uh So,
Man Draper was a big time Draper actually plays in
Brazil now. He's been a proteer now for about six
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seven years, so he's he's doing great. So that was
like my first star player in the Coliseum League. It
was I had Draper there who ended up in f
I had Michael Shavers who ended up playing at UH
Eastern Illinois. And then when you when look when you
talk like to have players. I want people in my
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artists to understand this and understand where Locke is, to
understand what Gompers is. Understand just kind of the type
of guys were talking about. It's on the east side
of Los Angeles, so it's it's in probably one of
the most destitute areas of the city. It's a school
that is under resource underserved obviously, and you and you
took a job at a school without a lot of resources.
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How difficult was that to coach, to develop players and
to build a winner. In a situation like that, it
brings me, It brings you, It brings you back to
what we talked about in the beginning. You know, it's
like I've really discovered how I really love a game,
and therefore it gave me this certain love for those
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kids because I just wanted to see them succeed. So
it kind of like I just became they became like
my offspring in a sense, because I just wanted to
see them be successful when I've seen the potential and
I told them, hey, have you fore we follow this blueprint,
we're gonna have a honest success, and you're gonna have
a lot of success because guess what, people on this
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side of town, they're not supposed to get out. And
those kids took that conversation and they motivated them, and
they just took it and ran with it. You know.
Don Weppo had a son who played a door seat,
and I had a kid on the team in two
thousand uh two thousand and ten, two thousand eleven. His
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name was uhlp uh Edward Talbert and he had never
dunked in the game and uh Don's son was big time.
End up playing in lamar Man. This kid picks up
a loose ball, goes down the floor and Don's son
jumped and he jumped and he dumped on his son.
And they came up with me after the game. He said,
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who is that kid? And I said, that's Edward. They're like, man, well,
what are you doing over here? And that was you know,
and that was just simple, just let's get in the
weight room. That's work. Let's work. Let's work, because we've
got to outwork people. And I think that the kids
had that David and Gelive approach like but people don't
understand about David. And the story of David is that
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before he even fought Goliath, he had already killed the
lion and the bear. So killing the liab with the
sings sling shode was nothing. He had already killed two
other beasts, but you know with the sling side. So
I'm really big on mental, you know, the mental aspect
of the life. Nobody can attack your peace unless you
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let them. And each of those kids that everything is
starting in their mind and they got to play with
their hearts. That's just what I preached. I don't care
about who we have to go take down, who we
have to play. I think that if you can teach
kids that they have to be have a mental approach
and play with their heart. Man, if you don't have
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those type of guys, then't you know it's hard to coach. Well,
you're you're developing mens. You give them some skills, tools
that they can use for the rest of their life.
So it's not just about this game or the sport.
What you're teaching them is hard when the time, when
times are tough, the tough get going, and that is
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it sounds like a cliche, but that's just the reality
of the people that make it. In the people that don't,
it's it's either you do or you don't. So either
like you say, like people, you know, someone's gonna control
your thinking or control your circumstances, tell you what you're
gonna be, or you're gonna be who you want to be.
And that's that's just the bottom line with with with
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it all. Man. When you at Lock, when you guys
had that success and you started getting players, were were
their thoughts at any point in that journey at Lock
where you're like, man, I need to move on something bigger.
My talents will be already to sort of graduate onto
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something else. Was there a time with that or or
would you had been contented standing a lot twenty some years?
You know, Man, that's a great question because basketball, but
it comes down to coaching. It's so political. Um because
for me it's hard because I'm a teacher, so I've
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got I've invested so much time in the l A unified.
I'm kind of you know, I'm kind of on defence
at times because I'm like, if I leave this community
and I gotta deal with starting all over with tenure
and what if I don't what if they don't like
me there? And now I get fired and now I'm
only scrambling and I left fifteen years of service behind.
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So yeah, at at the time then I would think
that a lot. But but the problem was that when
I say a lot, the first thing people think I was, Oh,
you were with the bad kids or you were kids
that don't listen. How would you work with these great kids?
You probably would be too tough on them. M You know,
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it looked at me more as a villain instead of
an asset. So I interviewed for several jobs, but when
I would mention where I was coming from, they kind
of would kind of ton of death there to it
because they thought that I worked with gang members, guys
that you know. Even when I was mentioned to them players,
they were missing to me, like, oh, coach, we heard
about that player. We heard he had, you know, some
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behavior problems. We heard about the time when you guys
had the Royal Rumba with Crimshaw. Because while I was
there in my chair, we had a water coach water Coach.
I remember the video. I remember the video. Somebody had
the video. Yeah, yeah, we had the Royal Rumba with
with we have with with Crisshaw. So I had a
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lot of things going, you know with so Bob Rappy
Tayson was out there as the you know, because the
other day somebody mentioned that because we had a little
thing going on at Westminster where when the king Do
kids tried to get half and I didn't move, and
they said, oh man, and ain't the that ain't the web,
That ain't the lock web. He would have been clearing
the floor out, you know, running all over the place
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for those days and past you know, so going into
some of these opportunities that I thought I shouldn't have
should have got it, I didn't because you know, I
had this reputation of, you know, being kind of like
a no nonsense, in your face type of guy that
would challenge not only uh my players, but even the opponent.
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You know, when I kind of thought that they were
on the line, you know you could have you know,
you could you know, you kind of I would tell her.
You know I have problems with coaches where I would
tell them, you know, you kind of created this because
you could have kind of let you know, kind of
could have let up off. You know, you know, you
got the kids chief shotting. You don't think these kids
from the East Side go cheap. You know, you bring
that to them. You know, you bring that over there,
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You're gonna get what you come for. So it was
tired and that was it. You know, so you understand
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But where where Isn't it a trip? Though? That if
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you take us when we grew up our era. We
grew up in the person you just described. Somebody that's
in your face, somebody that was passionate about his job,
didn't take stuff, you know, that type of I wouldn't
say disciplinarian, but that type of mentor. That was the
mentors that I grew up with, a Crenshaw that I
was around my entire life with my dad, his friends,
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people here, you know, people that you know, talk to
me sternly in my face, told me the truth and
didn't pull no punches. But it's it's such it's such
a trip to see that that type of mentor would
be viewed as a villain nowadays or you know in
the future. You know that type of person now or
your personality it's just too tough. You know, you you
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don't acquiesca enough. You don't like, you know, fit in
with the crew. I mean it's like, wait a second,
hold on, man, Like, do you want to what do
you want in this position? Do you want somebody that's gonna,
you know, basically be a yes minute. Do you want
somebody that's gonna stand on his own and his awn't
own too, and believe and stand for something? Uh? So
so anyway, I find that really want I want to
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talk to you about that because it's kind of off
the subject, but I want to give a different assessment
of what you're saying, and it's kind of goes to
the NBA level. Break it down, let's talk about it
real quick, because I think that it even happens because
like sometimes I think in my you know, with the
background that I have and some of the success I've
had and being around a lot of good people like
you uh eto uh d a uh like people that
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have really in this basketball world. You know, they know
what's going on and know what time it is. Yeah,
are in the rooms with these people that make some
of these decisions to give people opportunities to make you know,
good money. Fact, they go to that guy when things fail.
They searched for that guy. You know, you ever watch
those movies where that guys were tired, that used to
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just kill stuff like a Rambo over there somewhere in
a in a in a cabinet and just chilling. When
things go bad, they fine get him the kind of
like Boston, you know, when Brad Stevens couldn't get things
done because they're six seven guys looking at him like, man,
you ainte telling us not to control those dudes. Look
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what happens They bring in the guy that can see
what seven you know, God, that's in your face. Then
on the back side, he had other issues. That's the
thing that I look at. I'm flawed. I come with
stuff and can't you accept that when I come through
that door? Are you willing to say, hey, we we
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know that you do X, y Z, but we're willing
to tolerate that if you can get us to this level.
I think a lot of time that's where we kind
of get that, you know, the whole down, you know,
the kind of like no, don't we get we get
lets they say they play us down. He's capable, but
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this is what you have to deal with. So then
you get pushed to the left. Although I feel like
I am able and capable to do some of these
high profile jobs, I think that I still have to
work on other aspects of my professionalism just to at
least be able to tolerate some of the things that
come with those jobs. Yeah, there are things that come
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with those jobs that you have to be able to
look at except and then kind of turning back on
you know, and not have kind of like a voice
on it, you know. No, Yeah, and that's that's part
of it, is maturity, and the other part of it
is figuring out if that's you know, what you want
to you know, be involved with, Like do I want
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to be that guy that spent twenty years here, turned
my head and a bunch of stuff, had to adjust
and edit my personality pretty much beat somebody that I
wasn't for twenty years, just so I can hold onto
this check, get this little notoriety, have these accolades, get
this retirement. I mean, it's just it's it's it happens
all the time. It's a choice that people make. You've
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seen people O. G. S people before us, and they're
gonna be people after us, and then everyone has to
make that choice, you know what I'm saying with absolutely,
So getting back to what you were talking about with
me being a lock, you know, when I was at Lock,
when I was getting ready to leave, was how I
got connected to who you know very much well, one
of your guys, one of your dogs that was in
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the fight back then, the Maria Jones. You know, I
was able to connect the Maria with of course, how
did you get connected to the Maria. So you know,
you know another Chris saw Krueger who would probably getting
mad if I mentioned it. So I'm just gonna say
his initials on here because he he doesn't like to that.
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Everybody doesn't like to take credit for things with d H. Okay,
So d H is the one. Okay, that's what I
called my neighborhood here bro find me this local talent
to me. So d H brought the mar to me
and me and the Maria, you know, we established a
really good relationship while I was at Lock, and uh,
you know he we ended up being able to bring
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him over to Narbonne when I resigned, because although I resigned,
I resigned because I had a family matter to having.
My grandparents had passed apart, and that was my mom's
parents and she was going through it and I had
to be there for her family and things like that.
So I didn't want to still be connected coaching, and
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I wanted to help Themorrow. So I went to Narbonne
for those three years and we had some success were
you know, actually came with us. Remember I don't know
if you remember that. Yeah, I love it. I love
I love that team Jamal Hicks. That's it was, y'all beefy.
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But for those that are familiar with Maria Da Maria
Jones went to um Or Roberts, so he and Juco.
But god, that guy's story is so was so amazing
because remember De Mario had some initial challenges academically, overcame them,
became was eligible. Was like city player of the year
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just came out of nowhere. One year varsity basketball absolutely
turned it out. And then with the Juco route and
then you know, I looked then I look up. I
swear man, it was like I hadn't heard what was
doing for a couple of years and I look up
and he had grabbed seventeen rebounds in the battle. I
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was like, wait, it was like, you know, Farl Roberts.
I was like, DeMar, yeah, man, one of my all
time favorite kids. Man, one of my all time favorite
kids and was a part of us. Some great things
have happened there with all the n C double, a
run with the team, you know, the first title, so
things that will always be there twenty years, thirty years,
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forty years. And he got his degree. I mean he
got his degree and and about to get up a
Master's anybody to get a masters in the veggest, right,
I mean, come on, come on, you don't get no
better than that story. That's the story. I need to
get his but on here because that's the bottoms of
the forties. Man to the to the top of the
hill and still and truly someone that came from from that,
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straight from that without the mud mom, truly trut out
the mud dad, straight out the mud man. Lost both
of them lost still, but still kept it moving. He's
still stud tall, you know. And uh, does it give
you a special sense of satisfaction when you were able
to influence the lives of somebody like a Maria or
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somebody like a Fidelist or any any of your players? Yeah?
Doesn't really? Is that why you do it with? You know,
I do. I do it for that, but I also
do it for the satisfactor. And I'm knowing that. You know,
I've always felt like you earn your stripes here because
it's temporary to get to the next level, which is
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you know, we we we know having our hell you
know you are, how you live here is how you
graduate to the next level. And I just believe in
services kJ That's why It's always loved when I see
you because your service at a point, you service to Mario.
You've helped out with his recruitment and getting them connected
to and I hope I can say this on here.
You know, of course, of course you did him connected
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to laughing and and and being being kind of like
a vessel for an underdog. You know, a kid that
kind of got this service through this thing. And uh,
you know, you motivate me because if I don't have
that connection to you, or we don't have that type
of love for each other, that never happens. You see
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more guys that turn their death ear on those type
of situations than guys that are winning to chump in.
We talked about that with like guys Carl Lewis or
people turn their back on those potential great grade success stories,
then they then they gravitate towards it. And that's why
I'm still a Kingdre. People don't know a lot about Kendrew.
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You know, I gotta say this on the air here.
One thing is you don't get a recruited Kendrew. You
get a ninth grader. So the only recruit you can
really get is a a top ninth grader, which is
very difficult to get in this air. And why can't
you get a recruit into Keydrew siver on the like
laces they go off system where if you are not Yeah,
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if you have you have to have sibling credit. Um,
you have to you have to be in a cohort
as a come into school and leave the school. The
same answer. So it's very rare that you can be
a tenth grader enter the core because you missed a
portion of what they have. Whether there are better in
their curriculum being a medical magnet, wow, we don't. So
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the success that we've had and I'll tell these tell
the kids, and being able to even get a kid
to be a Division one player is far very difficult.
There's no athletic period there, there's one gym there, there's
not multiple ways to develop, you know, the way I
would like to. So, so let me ask you this.
So it's a medical magnet school? Is the curriculum, King Drew?
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Is it? So? The ones of your players, the classes
that they're taking. It's pretty difficult in a sense because
that very rigorous. Uh damn. Most of the students you know,
they're gonna they're gonna definitely be academically inclined, not necessarily
athletically incline. If you can get and athletically and academic
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student student in that school, it's probably a kid that
probably wouldn't have went to like Harvard, Westlake or because
that's how academically is there. You know, Like, I have
a kid there and I'm not gonna say that he's struggling,
but I'm gonna say he's being a child less if
that makes sense? Where you know, where he can go to?
Maybe I would say Narva and just probably just sit
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here and I'll be like, man, what are you doing?
You know? You know there it's kind of like you know,
did you do? You know? As a as opposed to
he's not doesn't have enough work, he has too much work.
He if he doesn't stay on top of it, it's
gonna pile up and it's gonna basically overwhelmed him. You know.
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So yeah, it's difficently So tell you the story for
that is so Kirk, here's a primary example. But that's
what Kirk. When he was a senior Stanford call, he
was playing out of his mind. You know, remember how
you talking about the two hand volleyball blob. Remember how
he was this plan this, he was playing his mind.
Then we went on that state run. Well we ended up.
Then they're coming with him one game of going to
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Sacramento and then the COVID hit right that hit. It
made him recruitment blow up because everybody started thinking about
the what if you know, what if this? What if that?
You know? So because they because Reggie wanted to take
him on the y not team at the time, it
called me and said, hey, well but we you this
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thing don't play out. I want I want Fadellas. So
Stanford called and to tell you about the how crazy
it is if Fordellas was at Washington with the Stanford
because it's transcript with a body probably been crazy. All
a's maybe a couple of bees. Kim Drew he had
too many seeds. He had a p classes but he
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had seeds like man because we love to touch him.
But he got too many seeds. The school won't a
man because in order for Stanford the Gaina Scholarship, you
have to be admitting into the university. So then guess
what coach Gibb you know it sounds that Navy he
called because they were thinking King Drew. This is a
kid that's gonna have uh, you know, immacing and transcript
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and touch him. That's how he ended up in north Ridge,
you know. Uh and the same thing. You know, we're
dealt with the you know, we dealt with that with
Kocy a little bit. The academic rigor. You know, we're
dealt with that with You have to take those type
of classes to be take there like that. Remember how
I was telling you the core, Oh, the Core. So
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you're you're signing up to take the class. You know,
can you slapping? Yeah, telling you man, it's slapping up there.
You you can play around with it, you know. You
you give your food because it's kind of like a
it's kind of like a public private school because you know,
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you got the uniform, you got the nice academic rigor,
you know, and it's and it's not in the greatest area,
but the school is safe. They have a no tolerance
for everything, you know, drugs, fighting, you know, you do
anything out of here, there's no Oh, you know, we're
gonna give you another chance. You fight, yaut It called
doing this y'all. So you know, it's just in that regard,
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any kid could go there because if you don't follow
the guidelines you know you're going. So I just wanted
to make sure that I said that on this, you know,
on your show, just letting people know the success we
had has just been it's been really really a Keen
Drew kid. It hasn't been he went and got this guy.
That not not not that I'm knocking any coach that
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has that, you know, amenity to do that. Fox Sports
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not knocking that. But there's also something special about developing
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a kid from ninth grade on. It's spending those every
day for four years and then you guys are winning
the championship. You guys are you know, close to winning
the City Open Division championship with kids that are basically
homegrown talent, right that have that have been all together.
So there's a special sense of satisfaction to that. We
don't knock you know, the guys that go get them dogs.
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I just want to make sure that. But we're big up,
but we're big up the Lloyd Websters of the city,
of the state of the country that are able to
do more with less. So and that's something that I
saw firsthand, Lloyd. So look, man, when you first got
the job at King Drew, was it two thousand seventeen seasons?
So that season, so I remember, I was doing the
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real Run Fall League with d ed Linwood, and I remember,
you know King Drew. I had never heard of the school.
I knew you were coaching, so I was trying to
load you up with matchups. You're bringing through the whole program,
varsity h j V. I think, you know, maybe and
then freshman, yeah, I did. Yeah, if we were and
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we were more three courts. But I what I remember
about you in that program, you had already were instilling discipline.
You guys were creating sort of a reputation, in forming
an identity for yourselves. Even back then some of them,
you know, you get blown out a lot of the games,
but then there's then later like week three, you guys
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were starting to get in games. Stuff was like you
know that that that margin was closed and closed. Then
you start snapping some foods, you start knocking off, chipping
off some foods like yeah, heat over there at all
and act like, yeah, you know it wasn't because the
second week was now now heat over there. Man. It
was a great fight. That was That was man, you know.
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And that's why I say, you know, a lot of
the building of the program came with the resources and
the and the networking and the good friends and I
made over the years. I don't think that that that
just suc sess comes with without having people that kind
of like appreciate what you do and they think of
you when they want good sound people to come around it,
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because you know, that's a great venue you guys actually
had there, and we didn't want people that are gonna
come in and create a great environment in that venue.
You don't want people are gonna come and tear it down.
And that's what I appreciated about, you know why when
you were there and the things that you were doing,
and you and d A and Coach Crow and that
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he still does. You know, those environments, man, those make
guys they understanding and then and it builds a great
reputation that will last a lifetime. And that's why I
was so adamant about getting on this show, just because
you know, we have a relationship man, and stands back
beyond the Marier. You know Mac Compton magic movie over there,
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with with with with you, with you, with your son,
that some great things, you know. Proud of that young
man as well. Has you know, been on a nice
little journey of his um and uh, you know, like
I said, man, I just his his props. Man, you
know what I mean. Proud of you, man, But I'm
proud of you and I appreciate that where but I'm
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proud of you. Man. I wanted to just just talk
about the satisfaction man of and I know it was
a little bit of sweet last year because to get
all the way to the mountaintop and then not to
not to achieve the ultimate goal. But you guys didn't.
You guys had an amazing showing throughout the entire situation.
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Talk about though the kids Caleb account was was there
was there a disappointment or was there a sense of
satisfaction after losing in the city championship last year? You know,
calib Accounms is really just a special player. He's like
a once in a lifetime type of player. You know,
he came there highly touted. You know, the King Drew
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and I was just blessed to have him for four years.
I just I just can't say enough about him. You know,
he's not one of those you know, you know our coaches,
they oh, he's just I'm not about to say he's
he's he does he did everything right. But I talked about.
What I talk about is like our relationship, like we
had a certain level of understandings or whatever I needed
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for him to do, even if it was something that
was gonna hurt him, he knew that it was gonna
be in his best interest, so he trusted. Those relationships
are just so much better than the ones we have
to struggle with somebody because they don't believe what she's
said is true. And that's the only reason why I'm
thinking the end we had that success because I want
to those type of coaches where you say to me,
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and we were in a championship, I'm gonna say to you, well,
let's go do it, and I'm gonna do everything in
my power to put you in position. So Canna put
the work in as a player, and I put the
work in as a coach, And my job as a
coach was to make those other guys believe in his vision.
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And once they realized, oh he is the one, this
is the way that we need to go. I think
that what happens though, And you know this as a player,
you've been in these positions. I just you know, I've
I've watched you. You know, as a player, you know, um,
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somebody else has a step up. There's always another long hero.
You know, if you talk about the Lakers, you're gonna
talk about Shack and Kobe, but then you're gonna bring
up Fisher. Sorry, sorry, So I think that that's what
happened this season. We just never had another guy that
was gonna separate himself from to be the next guy
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or the guy that was gonna you know that that
guys will remember him, but you gotta remember that kid
in the championship. It's just gonna always be came of
accounting what didn't happen. You know, we had a couple
of guys step up periodically, but never to the point
of where we would have been able to take that
championship without Caleb. Happened like forty or something crazy, and
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then that's having a crazy defensive game. You know what
we did come back and he was capable of the
definitely capable, But you know what happened during that game,
but I don't remember. I don't remember. There was a
kid and he's gonna be really good that about three
year his name was Donald Thompson. Light skinned. Kid hit
about two three threes in the corner when he had
(52:25):
about end up, but he ended up with twenty. It
was a portion of the game. He probably hit like
two back to back threes and we cut it to
like probably like about eight. It was about four or
thirty four left, and Jacob came down caleus brother and
he tried to go underneath instead of kicking it back out,
and that would have put us down five for the
warning because the momentum, you know, basketball, is that moment.
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They would have went down and they would have felt
that pressure as they used to say that booty get tight.
It would have ended up doing something crazy and we
would have went back and cut into two. What she
cult of the two and you gotta start like the
count you know what time? You know, that's when we
kid the whole time. All of those games came down
to the fourth quarter. He at his age, we was
(53:12):
down six with about three thirty left, right, I said,
you know what, man, it's been a great season. Man,
I love you guys. Garless. That little dude said what
we he was we what came out? Stole the ball?
He went down like he was gonna go to the basket.
Pomp back out, three down, came back down again, deal,
(53:37):
come back down down the three ball tied it up.
Now we tied up. Crowd how his own hushbold, what
just happened? And guess what that was? Like two thirty
left to go in the game and its signed up,
So it's like zero zero. Here we go. Now that's
still lay up. Step back for another three, go up,
(54:00):
it's over. He's start, he's around there. We do you
know we have to go over the town. Oh they
dick A J. Johnson and and the big lefty you know, yeah,
he was cold and they had another little nothing little
slicer and diicer. Oh. I'm like, man, you know, let's
(54:22):
see what happens. You know, they come out on fire
twelve on't run boom, they pin pinned down a j.
They crowd said, who's King Drew? Who's King Drew? Sudden
he started do you high screening? They seen anohing woom.
(54:45):
He started looking at them talking to the boom doing
the Kobe. The know he comes, they see y'all know, man,
I got me up six three to go. Then we
went up twelve. We got crazy. They were so concerned. Man,
we came up at a point. I mean, once we
(55:06):
reversed the ball, guys can just walk to the basket.
We just had guys, they just got They had like
three guys trying to guard. He need just out there
and then he just you know, he's a point guard.
So he just cutting cut through the your gap and boom,
I'm gonna got cutting him. Yeah. Man, that was the
number one seed seed. But I don't think people talking
about enough is we took out the number one seed.
(55:29):
People would never really understand that cage. How difficult that
we didn't take it. We didn't meet at the house
at the house house there. They were number one seed
and we took them out at their house. That's a
huge win. In front of the head coach from Cow
that's a huge win. Yeah, he was there. He's like, man,
(55:50):
you got tough man. You know. I don't know if
you know that guy used to be at Georgia. Yeah, Mark,
Mark Fox, there you go, that's his name. That's it.
So So how do you after last season's sort of
just hyes, how do you come down to earth and
prepare for this season life without Mr lacun Bro. How
(56:13):
do you again get back to where you were last year?
Win the commers in the league and then win or
at least making fun of for the city. Man, that's
gonna be tough. It was tough last year. It's never easy.
You know, it's not easy. It's it's there's no but man,
I lay my hat on what Floyd Mayweather and and
and you know, and Baltimore Ravens and and all these
(56:37):
other top top you know, teams that live their legacy
behind defense. I lay my hat on that. I don't
believe that you when it comes down to a war,
it's them dudes is willing to get dirty. It's nothing
more dairy than defense. Hardcore. You can you can, you can.
You can turn a lot of guys off being physically
defensively on this old school like that. Man. I remember
(56:58):
Chris all games. Man. You know what, when I remember playing,
we played the time to play Christial you know that
would be on the schedule. I tell kids back when
we play, we only played seventeen games a year. You know,
I've got to get to play twenty eight. They don't
believe that. Like if you try the kid kJ that
you want to play seventeen games. Actually, how did you
get to u c L A player? Don't even saying
that's how we was hoping. That's how we was hoping.
(57:21):
We was hoping. That's even team game was in blood
like he was doing. So what I remember all the
time is how much you heard after those games as
it was physical. And I tell the kids all the time,
I said, that's what people remember after the fight, the recovery.
Think about it when you're fighting. It's when you wake up.
(57:42):
That's what you said. I want to fight that dude
no more. I hope I don't never see him again,
you know what I mean. But you don't think about
that when you're fighting. You know what I mean, You're
just trying to win. It's after you start saying, damn,
I gotta not right here, Hey, I gotta no not
back here, start feeling stuff. You didn't know, my arm
(58:03):
kind of feel kind of funny, man, swinging it were
wrong way, you know. So that's the type of things
that I tell the kids. If it hurts, you know,
you've been effective. That's not hurt you. Then you didn't
do anything. You just out there going through the motions.
If you don't hurt after a basketball game, kJ, you
didn't do that, what did you do? Like if you
(58:24):
don't feel no pain, you don't gotta scratch, you don't
got a little not you don't got a little You
didn't really get in the fight. Yeah, you're not doing something.
You're you're not in the mix. And that's the hardest
thing to tell these players. Now, you want to know
the hardest thing it is to tell these guys as
a coach, you can never ever ever that's your effort.
(58:47):
You can't measure it. You can't measure effort because your
effort in my effort is different, your idea of effort, year,
your idea, you know what I mean. Like everybody has
this perception of I'm doing hard. You are to play
with a dude like that, and you are not going hard.
You are you are not. You will tell you they
(59:08):
go to stop it, dude, you already know you know
you just had to do. They used to just hang
out right there at the top and just guard the
top so you can take off a I'm kidding out here, Bro,
you ain't doing nothing. You know what you're doing this
standing in front and let the guy go by. We're
playing all the d you know, So just saying I
just say that the same like kids just believe they
(59:29):
play so hard. Now, man, I bet you if you
talk to some of these guys after these games and
you interviewed them, he say, hey, let me talk to
for hello on the on the scull of one and tea,
and how hard you think you played? I guarantee you
they're gonna say a team. They're not gonna And if
you tell them but I'm getting you're five, man, they're
gonna say, are you crazy? Man? Hater? You're hating hut
(59:50):
out to like Mikey or tell that to these guys
that are Feenis Man, they think you're crazy, you know.
And and and a lot of people will say, man,
don't they just don't believe a lot of these guys
play hard. You know, they just don't. I don't. I
don't really see kids playing as hard as I used to.
You know, I used to see kids that really really
played hard. They may have not has been as talented,
(01:00:13):
but they definitely played the game hard. Yeah, I can
agree these guys nowadays, they got all the bills and whistles,
they got the skill set, they got the between the legs,
behind the back step back trip. But but but but
they you know, do they are they tired? Are they
do they have to come out? Do they have to
come out the game because they are just going so
(01:00:34):
hard that they just need to blow or they coming
out the game because you know they just chilling. I'll
tell you what. The kid, a kid that plays hard.
H this kid, Marcus Adams out of North Bonne. I
don't know if you see he plays hard. He plays hard.
Absolutely that that kid plays hard. Bro Man, I'm gonna
tell you right now. And he's dangerous. And I had
to call Coach Hill the other day and uh say, man,
(01:00:57):
you know Coach Hill have been riding the raven about
himself somebody right because you know he he had he
had left it came back. I saw that. So you know,
he'll been telling guys about him, you know, and uh,
the E took a liking to him early, you know,
because you know that you know He'll and the are
pretty close, and he took a liking to him early
and saying, you know, you know, coach, I believe it,
(01:01:17):
and you know the rest is history. So the A
gonna laugh. You know, yeah, the A already knew what
time it was. You know what I'm saying something, And
you're talking about a guy that you know, no nobody
has done more in the community than than d A. Man.
Shout out the d A. Anthony Linkston. Yes, sir, the
man big time in the community. Yeah, he loves he
(01:01:39):
does it for the love man. He he doesn't care.
He didn't care about anything but helping. I mean, he's
a he's a great influence. He's somebody that we all
looked up to, a big old g that does things
the right way and keeps it real at the same time.
That's what I love about d A all the time, man,
all the time. Man. And guess what, man, all right,
A man of his word. Facts you're not don't don't
(01:02:02):
don't don't don't don't, don't don't go at d A.
If you're not a man of your word, Yeah, get
the shout. I'll tell you guys out there, man, let
let the O g B. If you're not a man
of your word, let the use We all let you go.
Sure we keep that you know all right, you know, yeah,
yeah for sure, Man, protect the a well coach Webb. Man,
(01:02:26):
I appreciate you taking the time today brother to hop
on kJ live. Man. It's been a true honor blessing
to talk to you today. Bro. I love this conversation
and uh, I love what you're doing. Man. I love
the commitment that you have to teach you that you
have to the game and that you have to catch
to help him the next generation kids. Man, It definitely
(01:02:46):
it definitely resonates and you we can really sense that
you truly mean every word you say, my brother, Man,
I appreciate the conwerse kJ Man. Thanks for having me, Man,
and you know already know, Man, I'm a sieve you
down on line champion, Yes, sir, I appreciate you, ladies
and gentlemen. Lloyd Webster signing off Man, much love, peace,
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