The Collaborators

Arden and Julie Anne chat with inspiring multi talented actors / comedians / writers / musicians Riki Lindholme and Kate Micucci (aka Garfunkel and Oates) about their collaboration process, writing, maintaining their friendship while having a creative partnership, ambition, motherhood and MORE.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm hello. That's no need distress, She's She's a lady. Hello,
and welcome to another episode of Lady of the Road podcast.

(00:30):
My name is Arte Marine, coming to you from my
garage in Los Angeles, California. You may know me from
Insatiable on Netflix, or Shameless, or my book little Miss
Little Compton, or maybe you've never heard of me at all,
and that is fine. I am here with my fancy,
elegant co host, Miss Julie Anne Robinson. And what do

(00:50):
people know you from? Julianne? They know me for being
spoofed by Kate McKinnon on Saturday Night Live. I can't
you Okay? So for those of you don't know, Julianne
is an executive producer and the director of the pilot
of Britain as well as Sexy episode six. Excuse me,
I mean you're an icon. How does it feel to

(01:10):
be spoof by Kate McKinnon. It was like an out
of body experience, That's the only way I can put it.
It was like nobody would even know. That's the weird things,
Like only a very small group people would even know,
Like why bother were you watching in real time? Were
you watched I wasn't watching. I was I was not watching.

(01:32):
But also she's a lot younger than me, Kate McKinnon's.
I mean, hey, so I always used to think about
Hillary Clinton like McKinnon is. I'm like, yes, she looks good.
Thanks you. No, No, Kate McKinnon full babe, Like I
loved all of it. Um, I'm well, you're obviously a badass.
You're a baller. And we bring on women that inspire us.

(01:56):
We wanted to bring on a pair that I I
respect so much. I am a workhorse. Okay, let me
just start out. I love to work and and workhorse
sees workhorse like I see you. These ladies are I
see you. I see your work ethic. Your work ethic
shines through. They are boss ladies. They are collaborators. They

(02:18):
have built their own boat, not once, not twice, like
three times, four times over. They just build their own boats.
Their true artists. UM. I will introduce them individually and
then as a group. The first gal you know her
from Scrubs, you know her from Raising Hope, The Big Bang, Theory, Ducktails,
the Lego movie. She's an artist. Um. She has had

(02:42):
art shows and galleries. She's a Lovely Human and she
is half of the group the musical and comedy and
writing group UH gar Funkle and Oates. The other half
of Garfunkel and Oates is with Us. She was the
lead in the West Craven movie Last House on the Left.

(03:02):
She was in Million Dollar Baby. UM. She has written
and directed and started two short films which I believe
she like. The collaboration began on the first one. UM.
She was in Knives Out. She is the executive producer,
writer and star of Another Period along with Natasha la

(03:23):
Jarro UM And she was in a documentary about mental
health in the comedy community and UM. She is also
in garf Uncle A Note And if you are not
familiar with them, first of all, where have you been?
Excused me? Like? But they have. When you go on
um YouTube, there are so many songs, so many brilliant

(03:46):
fun videos. That then became an HBO Go show that
was then an i f C show. There was also
a Netflix special. They have three albums, um All Over
Your Face, Slippery One, Moist and Secretions. And I know
that they are working on I don't know if this
is allowed to be said, but I was able to
be a tape part of a table read of an

(04:06):
upcoming incredible musical, which we will talk about later if
we're allowed to. But that was they're taking it up
like you know, it felt like the soundtrack of Frozen.
It felt like a Book of Mormon, like the orchestration.
This this incredible animated movie that they're doing for Netflix
that Amy Puller is producing. Ladies and gentlemen, my guest
Kate mccouchee and Ricky Lynn home, look what you guys

(04:32):
have done amazing in that table read. By the way,
Arden played one of our leads and you just crushed
it so hard. And well, it's interesting because they haven't
actually announced it. But then they had me come and
speak on a panel of animation writers and I said,
I said, people, I didn't know that I'm writing an
animated movie. And they said, okay, you can say that

(04:52):
I'm doing an unannounced animated movie. We want need to
get into any specifics, but I will say, having been
a part of it, this script is so great and
the music. I was blown away. I was blown away.
Thank you. We've worked very very hard on that. That's
like it's it was a labor of love for many
years and it was actually really hard to get sold.

(05:14):
We had the idea for five or six years, would
you say, Kate, Yeah, probably yeah, I mean yeah, And then, um,
it's just really hard to get a meeting with animation
places because it's mostly in the house there. They'll be
like like, it'll be like a Pixar brain trust and
they all come up with the stuff together, So it's
hard to get those meetings. And then once Disney Plus

(05:34):
was announced, I called Kate and I was like, I
bet Netflix is going to start making movies because they're
going to lose all their stuff. And turns out yeah,
so yeah, that was the only place we pitched it
and they bought it in the room, So who knows
if we want to pitch it somewhere else, but I
don't even know. So we had been with paper Kite. Yes,
this was a paper Kite, which is Amy Pohler's company,

(05:56):
and everyone over there is absolutely brilliant and they took
the hitch to just a whole other level before we
even went in. Well that's why I like, just just
even just hearing the journey of that, you know, like
and what struck me preparing to because I mean, I
know you both personally. I love you both personally, and
but it's been so fun getting to do these with

(06:16):
Julianne and really sort of deep diving on people like
oh yeah, I know, but like really really diving into
what people do. Um. I what I set up top
was I see the ten thousand hours you have all
put it. There's no accident. And I guess my first
question would be was your was your dream? Was the
dream always to create your own thing? Or was like

(06:39):
was the initial thought like, oh, you know, I'd love
to come audition and be on a show, Like was
it built out of necessity? Or was the dream always
like I want to be Phoebe waller Bridge type of
you know, like was that the dream? I think our
answers might be a little different at top. At the top,
I think, um, because yeah, I didn't know. I I
felt like I was always writing funny songs and Ricky

(06:59):
was too, but I just thought, Okay, I want to
you know, be on a TV show. That would be awesome. Um.
But then I quickly learned that that wasn't like the
easiest I mean, if I wanted to work and be creative,
that wasn't the easiest way to uh, to go about it,
and I was doing live shows around town. Uh, and

(07:20):
that was really fulfilling, especially because when you are waiting
for your your auditions or you're waiting for a job,
it's like, you know, it's nice to have control of something.
But then, um, meeting Ricky and then teaming up with
Ricky brought that for me to a whole other level.
But um, but go ahead, Ricky, I'm sure you have
a different answer. Mine was the same. I just wanted
to be an actress. I had all these other interests,

(07:42):
but I you know, I'm from a town of a
thousand people. I didn't like think outside the box. I
was like, there's acting, and I didn't think like, oh,
I could also do this. And also I didn't know
what a producer was. Nothing had occurred to me. And
I played funny songs since college in public for fun
and but it just hadn't occurred to me. And then
when I got here and I started seeing people with
all these different talents and doing a lot of stuff,

(08:04):
and um, and it was all s out of necessity.
Like I part of me thinks that if I had
gotten on a show, I never would have had to
make my own boat. As you say, like I don't
think I would have had the time, and I don't
think I would have had the fire necessarily, like who knows.
But I was just kind of like dead in the water,
Like I was like one of these people who was
like booking a pilot every year, but it wasn't going.

(08:27):
So I was like good but not lucky. And that's
that's not a career. Yeah, it's good and not lucky
is no career. That's why Julianne and I have talked
about that a lot about how in some ways the
obstacle that like what could be an obstacle of like
it was the dead in the water sometimes is actually

(08:47):
a gift that you have to get scrappy and that
you have, you know, I think a lot of people.
I have built my own boat numerous times, and it
was it was because I couldn't get cast in things, right,
couldn't you know? And that the the gift of the
roadblock in a weird way. I'm sure you guys have
told this story a thousand times, but like your origin story,

(09:10):
first of all, I love that it involves Doug Benson.
I love, but just here I you know, I've listened
to a bunch of podcasts that you guys were on
getting ready for this, and it felt almost as if
Garfunkel A Notates wanted to be born, just like with
the YouTube videos, the trip and Scrubs. Do you mind.
I'm sure you're tired of telling it, but like I did,

(09:30):
it feels like it wanted it wanted to be born. Yeah,
I mean I think that probably the first two years
of Garfunklen Notates, I like sort of things just kept
unfolding in a way that it was like, oh, there's
the next thing we have it just it's right there,
let's go here, and then the next thing would happen. Okay,
now we just have to go another twenty feet here,

(09:51):
Like it was like the map was unfolding in front
of us. Even if like in the beginning, you know,
I guess, well, I guess I could begin with scrubs, um,
because well, no, we should start with the short Ricky.
Maybe that's where we start, or maybe where we start
where we meet in the lobby of UCB, I don't
know the right and the lobby love him and then um,

(10:12):
Kate and I used to just like we used to
write down our goals on Napkins at CPK and we
would read them to each other because I'm sure you
guys have found this too, but um, maybe this is
everywhere else. There's that fair weather friend thing where I
feel like it's hard to find, Like I think foul
weather friends are easy to find when you're in the trenches.
Like it's like you and your non working actor friends

(10:32):
like complaining and everyone just like in it, like in
this like Misery Together, where if someone gets a job,
they kind of they're alienated a little from their friends.
It's hard to find people to share your dreams with.
So Kate and I just decided to be that for
each other. We just wanted to stay out loud, like
I want to be this, I want to make this,
I want to be on this show, and we just
wanted a place to like say it because it's it's

(10:54):
weird too, you know, It's just it's it's really horrible.
And so we started doing that and then we were
both like, I want to write more funny songs. And
we're like, huh, so when you did that, what did
you do? You wrote it down and or you just
told each other wasn't formal form. We didn't happen. We
would write it on a CPK napkin and then keep
it in our wallets at CPK, and we would meet

(11:17):
up at CPK like a few weeks later, a month later,
and we'd read the list back and see if any
of it came true and if we worked on what
we said we were going to work on. And wow,
that's great, I know, right, that's like real self help stuff. Right.
Do you still do it with each other? Do you
still like share goals or like, do you do you
haven't done too well obviously the pandemic, but even before that,

(11:39):
our last one was CPK to like, I'm risking it.
I'm going to know it's been a while, it has
been a while. It was you know, it was it
was it was January twenty nineteen. Yes, I remember, yes, Okay, yeah,

(12:00):
totally remember that one yea, our favorite CPK got torn
down at the Beverly Center and so that was a
little bit of a real you know, heartbreak. Now. Yeah,
but I feel like, no, I we still have the
Hollywood and Highland one waiting for us when the when
the pandemic's over. Oh my god, I thought you were
to Kentucky Fried Chicken and now that to me was like,

(12:23):
this was like, that is the strangest Okay, I mean,
I love I love that we did funny songs. And
I went to see Kate play. She had a show,
and I was like, Oh, we'd be so good together.
And I wanted to the writers strike was looming, and
I wanted to explore my other talents because I knew
i'd have a lot of time off, and so I

(12:44):
wrote a short and I was like, hey, do you
want to be in it? And you want to turn
it into a musical with me? And then that's how
our group was born. You both from similar backgrounds. It
seems like because you're from a small town, I know,
Odds from a small town, and Kate you're from a
small town. Do you think that Can you talk a
little bit about where you came from and whether that

(13:08):
similarity forms the solidity of your partnership? I think in well.
And then the other crazy thing is that Ricky and
I both went to the same music camp when we
were eleven and ten. And that is a flukey thing
because it's a tiny little music camp in the middle
of Pennsylvania. But we and we didn't even realize until
we had been friends for maybe a year, that we

(13:29):
had gone to the same place and we were in
each other's presence, but um, I was really shy kind
of so did you know each other? Had you did you?
Did you think? Oh? Get we both did the same
thing at the same time. We realized we were both there,
but we weren't friends at camp. We didn't. We didn't know,
but you might have like crossed paths or something. We
must have it with a small camp. We definitely. I

(13:52):
really believe in that because I worked out with my
husband that we had met, like I don't know, like
a month before we actually met, And I think there's
something weird about the I think the people find each
other again later on. It's this a kind of kinship there,
even though you don't actually realize anyway. That's totally and

(14:13):
we knew we had that destiny feeling. There are a
few people in my life and like that I met
and I knew it was going to be an important thing.
And I remember the feeling of because Ricky and I
would see each other at commercial auditions, but that feeling
of when we first met at um Doug show, and
then we had some food with Doug afterwards, I was
like I couldn't stop talking about Ricky, and my boyfriend

(14:35):
at the time was like, I think you like her
more than you like me, and I was like, I
know in my mind, I was like, yeah, I do
because I but it was just there was just some
kind of destiny about it, and and I, you know,
I think that is a true thing for like, and
I remember running into Ricky. I think I ran into
like a day or two later after hanging out with
Doug on the street at Cibo, and I was like, Oh,

(14:57):
that's that girl. Like I had that like butterfly feel ling,
and you know, it's just like kind of like this
person that I'm supposed to know in my life. So yeah,
I think there's something real real about that. And Los
Angeles can be quite lonely, I think at first, particularly
finding girlfriends like it took me along. I felt like
I had comedy guy friends. But there's is something I

(15:18):
can see how it is almost if you don't have
your people yet, it is almost more exciting to meet
a potential girlfriend then like the guy that your dad
is like, no, no, no no, this is my person who
cares about you, Like this is the buddy, this is like, Yeah,
this is gonna take me around the world, like Julianne,
get ready for this. If you think the destiny happened

(15:39):
at Camp get ready. So so they make this short
and I could be run. They they decide to record
a couple of the songs and put them on YouTube
for Ricky's parents to see because and Ricky booked the
West Craven movie right and was going to Africa, So
because no one was on YouTube, it was like putting
it out of out to nowhere, like it was like private. Yeah,

(16:02):
like we're just it was like early YouTube. They recorded
a couple of songs. There was some trips planned. Ricky
goes off to film this West Craven movie and Kate
books a guest spot on Scrubs. Right, Well, I was, well,
I went to New York first because it was like
my first movie. I was in that movie went in Rome.
So Ricky and I both left town at the same time,

(16:25):
basically for almost the same amount of time. And then
when I got yeah, so I remember Ricky calling me.
I was in New York. I was just leaving having
seen sex in the City of the movie and m
and Ricky calls and she was like I think a
lot of people are watching our videos and I was
like what. And I remember feeling so embarrassed because I
was like those were for your parents, you know, and uh,

(16:45):
and it was cool and like it was definitely like
it was starting to catch on a little bit. And
then the minute I got back from New York, I
booked Scrubs and um, and that's when Bill Lawrence, the
creator of Scrubs, said, you know, I saw this video
that you have of the song. Can we swear or
I'm not sure? Maybe yes, a song called buck You
that I think would work really well in our show.

(17:07):
Would you be okay if we use it? So Ricky meanwhile,
is on vacation in Spain, and so I'm in the
dressing room of Scrubs, which is an old hospital room,
and I'm trying to reach Ricky in Spain on this
little phone and I remember finally doing it and saying,
do you do you think we can use the song?
And she was like, yeah, totally go ahead. And it's

(17:28):
like how much do we charge? And I was like,
I don't know. Whatever they offer, like, yeah, anything for
our YouTube song, I don't think we haven't. We didn't.
We definitely did not have an agent. Yeah, and that's
how I guess. And then that, you know, when that
came out, it really brought when the Scrubs episode came out,
it brought a lot of attention to our videos and

(17:51):
you know, more to gar Funklin notes, which was awesome.
And so it was like it gave us this boost
that I think we really needed in the beginning. And yeah,
I mean it's just one of those cool like it
was sort of fate. I guess you were like early
adopters of YouTube and it just went crazy, did it. Yeah.
I feel like we come to everything before people figure

(18:13):
out how to make money from it. Like I had
like an early podcast. I was an early YouTube star.
Like four years later everyone becomes millionaires, and I'm like,
oh man, I should have stuck with that. We're gonna
take a quick break and we'll be right back, okay,
and we're back. So I love that. It did feel

(18:36):
like you're just like it just you talking about how
what Julianna saying, how there's fate, like that people are destined.
And then I was struck listening just as you know,
as I was reaching like how the YouTube and the
trip that this wasn't some you know, some people who
want it so bad like I'm gonna try and I'm
gonna it's just like you. You happen to make something

(18:57):
that was just true to your heart, that was true
to your friend Chip, and it took flight and then
you know, just for what really stands out to me though,
is that you put your kite up and you but
you ran with it, like you put in the hours
and just watching your videos, it's clear the precision, the rehearsal,
like the process, like, um, what is your collaboration process like,

(19:22):
and like how how do you negotiate conflict? Or is
there any advice you would give out there for to
be a good collaborator. Well, it's evolved over the years.
I think it started more like we would write everything
together in the same room and then and we wrote
everything a lot faster, yes, because after a while we're like, oh,

(19:43):
how do we make it better? And then that gets longer,
Like you just it just takes hours and takes longer,
and like we usually will think of a topic and
then we'll brainstorm it together for days or weeks or
months or something and have this huge brainstorm document and
then I usually go off and write the pass of
the lyrics and then Kate were ready past the melody,
and then we come together and try to you know,

(20:04):
finesse it and make it, make something work, and sometimes
it doesn't and we just throw it away because not everything,
because you know, you have to have like fifty jokes,
like there has to be one topic that has so
many bikes in it. So it's so not everything can
sustain a full song, or it would be too that
we'd think maybe this is something and we'd you know,
sing it on stage and then we're like, no, but

(20:26):
I think too. And and even our performing, like you know,
when we first performed together, the first time we ever
played a show together, it was at the Steve Allen
Theater at the Tomorrow Show. So it was like three
in the morning, and it happened that John c Riley
was co hosting, and he intriguessd us what we thought
was very cool, and then uh, we giggled through the

(20:46):
entire set, just like giggly nervous laugh or the entire time.
And then I remember my friend was in the audience.
She's like, I really liked it, but I just have
one note like maybe don't laugh the whole time. Did
you rehearse like when you like when, because there's a
real precision to your performing, like we rehearsed, like both
of us are not that we're not naturals, but some

(21:08):
people are just they get it in one try. Kay
and I we drill things, we you know, because we
went to music camp and we have that musician thing
where you like, you do it like ten times out
loud and then all you're walking and then yeah, I
drill and she drills, and so we'll drill together. And
then we always drilled right before we go on stage,
like we never like just believe we know the lyrics.
We drill things every show for ten years, we drill

(21:30):
right before and and we also you know, it took us,
I would say, at least a year or two of
performing live, and we were doing a lot of shows
at that point. You know. That was when we would
go to a city on a Thursday night, do two
shows Friday to show Saturday, one on Sunday, and then
fly that. And we were doing that so much and
I think because of that we got better quicker. But
you know, it really took us a while to find

(21:51):
the groove on stage and then once we did it,
like clicked and it felt like something like it was
just like an unbelievable and it's still like if we
sing together, it's just like something happens, like the lights
turn on, like it's a weird thing that we just have.
And that the fact that the two of us know
all the well, you know, we might drill it a bunch,

(22:11):
but we know the lyrics, we know the chords, and
it's like it just happens in a way that now
you know, it didn't it wasn't immediate, but when when
we found it, it was magic. But you're the same
work ethic and we're willing to just do it and
do it and do it and and like that I
saw that, like as I you know that that was
I saw the hours I saw and I was impressed

(22:35):
by that. Well that's how you stay partners because if
you if you're I know people who have a partner
who like I would like not show up for a
show and it's like, no, your partnership is already over.
If you're with someone who doesn't care, it's over. Yeah,
you will break up. You know. It has to be
someone reliable if they say they're going to do it.
They're gonna do it. You know, it seems like you

(22:55):
have to work so hard in order to make it
look so easy, because the kind of playful giggling is
still there, it seems to me in the performances, and
then there's a kind of an improv quality to it. Um,
but it's clearly not, you know, it's it's the result
of really really hard work rather than it actually being

(23:19):
as easy as you make it look. Yeah, it's always
a compliment when people are like, I'm gonna do that.
That seems easy. I'm gonna do that, and we're like, go,
like one song is easy, try fifty curious, Like so
you guys ran your own show, like becoming a boss
and stuff and sort of pitching your show, and just

(23:40):
to Julianne's point of like you work so hard to
make it look easy, Like did you ever have anybody
sort of um underestimate you? And like how do you
how do you? How do you deal with that? When
people this week for every single day that I've ever
been a I don't know which one, because you're a

(24:04):
you wrote, produced and directed a lot, but I mean
I just watched Life Is Short today and I absolutely
love it that wasn't like two thousand four, two thousand
and six, Is that okay? Maybe that's when I went
on IMDb. How do you handle it when people like
do you just sidestep when people I mean like as

(24:25):
a as a blonde woman with a high voice, I've
been underestimated my entire life, and like, does it get
under your skin? How do you deal with it? I mean,
this is going to sound like bullshit, but it's not
like I feel like this many years and show business
and this many years of like just like rejection and

(24:46):
you just get it's just so used to it that
you get kind of strong and you learn to look
at the positive in a situation. And the best part
about being underestimated is they don't see you coming and
they're not threatened by you. And by the time they
know that you're off and running, it's too late, Like
you're already gone. Do you know what I mean? Like, yes,
it's yeah, there's there's a positive to it. There's a

(25:08):
there's a because sometimes women who seem powerful people try
to stop them, right, So being underestimated as a woman
can be an advantage because no one's threatened. I mean
personally speaking, I agree with you. I think that's helped
me along the way really, like in your house, so oh,
just because I'm kind of small and currently blond and

(25:32):
kind of unassuming, so I'm empathizing with you. Yeah, and
then you're like, oh, yeah, oh, a little thing called
bridgertain don't worry about it. It's too late to stop me. Now,
how did you deal with it coming up on sets,
like when you would step onto like say you were
doing a get like an episodic, and somebody underestate, like
if your crew or actors underestimate you, like, how did

(25:55):
you how do you navigate that? I think that I
think I said this once that I was given some
advice very early on by a male director that I
was shadowing. It was when I was at college, and
I said, I was really I was like, I really
want a bit director. I'm really keen. And he said
to me, well, there's one thing that you're going to
have to do if you're a director. You've got to

(26:16):
wear bigger clothes. And that was his advice, advice, and
I thought, I thought, well, I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna wear bigger clothes. I'm just gonna be me. I'm
going to be as close to me as I possibly
can and just be as authentic as possible. And I've
tried to follow through with that um and sometimes it works.

(26:38):
But yes, it's I think it's the whole thing about
I'm not trying to be the big I am. I'm
just trying to be kind of authentic and honest and
in the moment as I can be um and organized
and do all the work. And that's that's generally how
it how it is because also people usually catch on eventually,

(26:59):
like once they see your work or they see you
on set, or they they're like, ohh right, my bad.
You know, something's become undeniable. I mean, how was it
for you when you guys got to I mean, I
don't know if you did you have a writer's you're
among our funk clino. Did you have a writer's room
on another period? Yes, Yes, that was really fun. That

(27:21):
was like an interesting learning curve, like I wish I
was making this up like we you know, gar Flank
Clanha was was tough. And so once we had another period,
I said in Natasha, I was like we have to
show run and she was like okay. So Natasha and
I went to Comedy Central all force like we want
to show run and they're like okay, and we're like, oh,

(27:42):
you know, we thought we were gonna get all this
push back and they're like yeah great. We were like,
oh okay, cool, and we got excited and we hired
our writers. And then the night before the writer's room,
I called Natasha and I was like, do you know
how to show run? And she's like no, and I
was like neither do I. We're like, oh my god.
So we both like called a runner friends and we
were like, so how do we show run? And most

(28:04):
people talked the way that director talked about big clothes.
Most people talked about lunch. They were like, you've got
to get lunch right out of the way. Lunch will
kill you. What do you mean? And what what wait?
What about lunch because it's like it can like eat
away like hours, people like deciding, everyone looking at the menu.
It can just be this weird time stuck where they're
like lunch right in the morning, fill it out, moving

(28:25):
like get it over with. That's so funny that totally
understand that, totally get so you get get everybody's orders
as soon as people arrive and like, yeah, but I
called a couple of different showrun friend like that's the
advantage of living here so long as you meet people
who have become showrunners. And so I got their advice.
And then I had some more seasoned writers in the

(28:45):
room and I would call them like every night for
the first few weeks and be like how was that?
And they would give me feedback and be like, I'd
spend more time blue skying I would, you know, they
just gave me their thoughts. What is blue skying? So
usually well, this is what I learned the night before,
which is like they usually spend like, say, the first
we had a ten week writer's room. We had ten
weeks to do ten episodes of another period, which is

(29:07):
very quick, and so we spent the first five days
just blue Sky like what could this character do? What
could that character? And people just bringing in their most
ridiculous ideas, and for five full days it's just like
anything goes And then Natasha and I started narrowing it
down and we're like, we're interested in these kind of storylines,
maybe something like this, these characters together, and then we

(29:27):
start weaving it together. But the Blue Sky period was amazing, well,
it was very clear the general I mean, the cast
that you had was amazing, and I have to say
your generosity and making sure everyone had something fun to do,
like you you know, it was a true ensemble and
you gave everybody juicy things. There was no and it

(29:49):
was so I mean, there's so many fun different parts
of it. In some ways it's like it's it was
slightly later time period, but it's sort of could be
like the comedic bridge or like that when Shanda Rhymes
within Entertainment Weekly the year another period came out and
they said what show do you wish you had created?
And she said another period? So I actually was he

(30:10):
surprised when she came out with a period piece and like, no,
she loves those. So yeah, it's not easy to do either.
How was delegating for you? So you have like you
guys are running the show, and like there was such
a look to all the garfunkle and notes videos and
there's such like I mean, it was so clear, Like
your vision was very clear and it came through and

(30:31):
I'm sure the budget wasn't large and like it was
highly stylized on a small budget and like and another
period looks like it had a slightly bigger budget. Look, wow,
no it didn't what very very little budget. Jeremy Connor amazing,

(30:52):
He's amazing. He just it's that's why. Jeremy Connor is
the reason it didn't look like. He was the director
and he directed Um Drunk. He directed and created drunk History.
Drunk History. Well. This was also that also felt like
kids met thing because I met Jeremy through an X
and he was like, hey, Jeremy made this short called
drug History. It was just a short and he had

(31:13):
this link to it and I was like, oh my god,
this is so funny. And when Natasha and I made
the short for another period, I was like, hey, there's
this guy who did this sort in Drunk History was
not a show, and I said another thing, We're like,
let's call that guy and we and we called him.
It looked so the costumes alone, the costumes were incredible, incredible.
It was the same costume costumer from Garfenloes. We we

(31:35):
had in the same we had the same crew. It
was just the same people who did the costumes. Well,
Kate Crowley did it like the first season and then
we had other people come in, but she kind of
set the whole tone, and like she was just scrappy,
Like she went to a CT in San Francisco and
borrowed stuff. She got kin Sanera dresses for Natasha because
she's so tiny, and she would just like you know,
put beads on them and you know whatever. Yeah, did

(31:58):
you have a blast make? I mean with this, like,
was was it fun to get to have and run
your own show? Was it exhausting? Was it? It was both?
It was amazing, Like I miss it all the time.
I missed that level of um stimulation, like I me
just like waking up and having somewhere to go, Like
like I miss it a lot. Do you are you
guys still writing songs or not right now? We mean

(32:20):
for Garf and glon notes or like I guess yeah,
we're not. We haven't been writing songs to perform but
live big thing coming up. He got the musical, and
then we also have been writing songs for Jeremy Connor's
new show which he's doing, uh with the Obama's He's
doing a hitch show yeah called Waffles and Mochi, And
he had us write all the songs for that. So

(32:42):
working with Jeremy a third time and I'm sure this
show will also be brilliant because Jeremy's involved, but m
or he's the creator. Really he's yeah, I would actually
because of these projects, I think Ricky and I have
written more songs in the past year two years than
we had prior because we would be touring and then
we you know, write another funny song for ourselves. But

(33:02):
this has been like writing on assignment. Okay, this is
about this thing, and then like you know, or we
need to fill a song here, what is this about?
So it's been uh a cool, Like it's been new
for us in a way to be writing for other
projects and it's been great. Do you ever have moments
where you disagree? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. How do
you how do you get past that? Well? I think

(33:24):
usually the more passionate person wins, Like whoever is more
passionate about that particular issue? Would you say, I don't know, Yeah,
I mean I think I think that if it's like
whoever has the more convincing argument? Yeah, truly, truly big, No,
this is why and this I believe this is the thing,
and it's like okay, alright, cool, or you know, vice versa.
It's like I think that is one way that we
deal with it. What's the key to the longevity of

(33:46):
your relationship, of your working relationship, would you say, because obviously,
I mean if you can have disagreements and then get
past that, is that it or what's the key to it?
I think because we care about each other. Yeah, we
really love each other. And I think it's like almost
like going back to that first meeting, you know, where
I was like, I know this person is very special

(34:07):
in my life. Like that's always been the base of
our relationship. Is we love each other and I hate
hurting kid's feelings so much, like I start crying, like
and she cries if she hurts my feelings. It's like yeah.
But I think also because we're sensitive people, I think
in some way it's good we tap into something that

(34:27):
I think people can relate to in a way. I mean,
maybe that's a silly thing to say. I'm not sure,
but but I think yeah, I mean that's truly we've
been working together. We've been friends since two thousand and six,
and we've been working together since two thousand and seven,
so it's, you know, both of our longest relationships by far.
I think it's some ways collaborating is like the hardest.

(34:48):
I mean, that's the most intimate in some ways. I
think it's the most intimate kind of relationship you can have,
you know, and your friendship shines through on the screen.
You can tell you guys are friends. But I'm sure
I've done stuff that's made Kate mad over the years.
And oh and vice versa. I mean, I think it's
only it's inevitable when you're together that long, you know.

(35:09):
But we're both in therapy, so that, yeah, so we
have someone to complain to and work it out with.
And that's actually new for us. And and that's been
really enlightening and great, and I think I don't know,
I think i'd recommend it for partnerships in a way,
because it's nice to have you in group therapy or both.
We we did couples therapy at the end of last

(35:31):
year into this year. That's fantastic and it was awesome
and it was just like, that's so healthy. Well, and
part of it is because no one's dealt with the
pandemic before, no one, no one has had this experience before,
so no one has a guide book. And we got
a little off course, and so we went to couples
therapy and fixing. Yeah, that's so great. Whose idea was that?

(35:55):
I think it was mine? Right, Yeah, well you Saget.
I had been thinking it and then you texted me
and I was like, yes, to do this. So yeah,
so we were, you know. And that's the other thing,
where like we were on the same page there, And
I think throughout the years, whenever there's been something kind
of bigger or like often we are on the same page,
it kind of throws us when we're not, you know,

(36:16):
or even something down to like a little thing real
big adds what I was thinking. You know. So um,
that's always really nice to have. But you know when
it when it is when it does get a little
off off the tracks. Uh yeah, I mean therapy was
really great for us, and I think we understood each
other in a way that we hadn't before and that's
really nice. And so you spoke about anxiety or and

(36:36):
you've been very public Ricky. I watched the sel Pancake
thing about anxiety. Do you do you match each other
in terms of the levels of anxiety or do you
get anxious about different things? And how does that feed
into your work? What would you think, Hey, I don't know.
I don't know. I don't We've never really talked about that.
I generally am an anxious person, so I do like

(37:00):
as far as like like, I don't know. I yeah,
so I mean, but I think I don't know. I
don't know how that feeds into our work. What do
you think, Ricky? Because I can be more of a
depressive and you can be more of an anxious like yes, yeah,
I I if I'm if I'm spinning out, most of
the times, it will go to anxiety. Um but yes,

(37:20):
and like O c D. But that's never fun and
I don't know, sort of like depressive tendencies. Yeah, yeah,
but I don't know. What about you? What do you
think of that? Are you an anxiety? Are you an
anxious person? Very yeah? And you are all three of you? Wow. Interesting.
I also have gotten I was very depressed in my
mid twenties, very very depressed, and then um, and then

(37:44):
I did a lot of therapy and stuff like that,
and then I've always been tortured by sleep, which I
heard what you're talking about. And I think a lot
of when I really think about for my depression, I think,
um my, I'm a night owl, and I have a
really hard I've always been to the point where I
got brought to the Yell Sleep Clinic when I was
like sixteen. And we're gonna take a quick break. We'll

(38:05):
be right back talking about sleep, anxiety and depression. Hey,
we're back. I have to tell you something. I don't
think I've ever told you this. You transformed the way
I write. Do you do pomadoras? Yeah, you told me

(38:28):
about the Pomeadora method, and I do that. That's what
I do. Okay, So it's just a part of my
life now. So for people who don't know what the
Pomedora method is is that's how I wrote my book
because I get I have a really good work ethic,
but I get overwhelmed and I can procrastinate and all
of us. I mean, it's so easy to be like

(38:48):
all over the place, like you know, a little I
think I'm a little a d D Like I have
to like really so. And I think in some ways,
particularly if it's something like writing where it's so intimate
it's just between you and you're like there's something a
personal that I would rather do anything, but just there's
like such it's almost like looking into a light that's
too bright. So my friend told me about this thing
called the Palmaduro technique. I think you could find out.

(39:10):
There's like a PDF of it. I think it's it
looks like it's from like it's like like it's like
at a really old p D eight. But this guy
had like a tomato timer, and the idea being that
people thought that they could um that they would be
the most productive if they did like an hour at
a time or two hours at a time. But they
actually did all this research and they found that people
were the most productive in twenty five minute increment. But

(39:32):
you had to see where you're at in the twenty
five minutes, and you're not allowed to no matter what
the task is, even if it's just like packing for
a trip. But for me, I was like, Okay, I'm
writing my book, so I had in my ass in
my seat. I didn't have to be writing. But I
couldn't go online, I couldn't go to the restroom, I
couldn't check my texts like and but you watched the
countdown and they're saying that you can do anything for

(39:54):
twenty five minutes, and that you could actually get quite
a bit done in twenty five minute chunks, and it
changed my life. And I have no memory of telling
Sweet Ricky about it, but apparently it's really crazy. If
you it's that like the idea of like deep work
and deep focus and if you can, like if that's
sort of like it's so easy to have sort of
loose focus in this world and just there's technology and

(40:16):
friends and just all this stimulus. Like if you can
actually shut everything out for straight minutes, you get so
much done and then you take a five minute break,
look at your tax, go to the bathroom, yes, and
you keep going as long as you can go well.
And then so just coming back to the sleep thing
and the depression, I think a lot of my depression

(40:36):
I think I was just exhausted. I think I also
realized I was like an allergy to sugar. Like I
think I was eating food that made me physically depressed.
I also had things that made me depressed. Don't get
me wrong, but I don't think my sleep habits and
what I was feeding myself, I think it chemically really
didn't give me a chance. And so I've really tried

(40:59):
to clear my sleep. Like I heard you say, you
have an elaborate sleep ritual What is your sleep? Yeah,
I think that was part of my depression in my twenties.
Two is I just didn't sleep. And then I just
like because I would always like, I'm such a self
help person. I'm always reading every article trying to make
myself better, and every article on sleep is like no devices,
da da. That did not work for me. The second

(41:20):
I started watching law in order to go to sleep,
my life was transformed. I was like, I would do
everything it said and I just couldn't sleep. And then
I started watching TV to go to sleep. That's so stressful.
It's like murder. No. It was like because there's like
kind of it's just very easy, like they're like, excuse me,
where were you on Tuesday night? Oh no, no, I
saw I saw that girl. Yeah, brown hair. Right, it's

(41:42):
just very like easy and I don't don't and then
another scene and it's so predictable, and I would just
like drift off. Do you do that every night? Still?
Do watch? Yeah? Or I watched something I watched c
s I last night. Do you have a time How
do you switch off the screen at the end of it?
I don't. I just let it Like if it's like Netflix,
or something and will usually stop itself after four hours

(42:03):
or something. But if I wake up, I turned it
right back on and it puts me back to sleep. Yeah,
I I love that. Yeah. Do you watch TV to
go to sleep as well? Who me? Yeah? No, But
I totally agree with you the whole kind of thing
about no screens. I've read all of those articles, and
sometimes I think, okay, right, I'm going to read a book,

(42:25):
But most of the time I usually read the newspaper
to go to sleep online. That's what I do, and
then I fall asleep and it's fine, and there's a
screen and the bad light is going into my eyeballs.
But that's how I go to sleep. And I'm sure
these all these people that tell you no screens for
like three hours before bedtime, no screens. Yeah, I don't know.

(42:48):
I think it must be just driving the world crazy
a little bit, because I don't think anybody actually does
anybody here do that before. I think it's just making
people feel guilty. Yeah, yeah, I think that's even anxiety.
I think once I actually came to terms and just
accepted the fact that I get anxiety, I get like
social anxiety. But then once I'm at a place I'm okay,

(43:09):
but I think the fear of the fear made it worse.
It's like, oh it's okay, Like I just accept. I
get anxious, like I accept sometimes like there's something of
like it may it has not gone away yet and
it may not go away, and maybe maybe this is
just who I am, and maybe that's okay. There's a

(43:29):
kind of theory that when you get to a certain point,
you shouldn't suffer from anxiety, you shouldn't suffer from depression,
and that you're kind of you've achieved that moment in time.
And in a way, what this podcast is and what
Arden and I've talked about is just kind of opening
it up and saying, actually, you know what, you're never

(43:51):
fully cooked, as they say as a dancer, you're always
it's there's always issues, and just getting advice from people
of how they walk through life day to day. You know.
The thing that was scariest for me. I remember when
I was like I was like twenty three, and I

(44:11):
grew up in a town of three thousand people, and
my dreams came true really quickly. I I got I
was on a sitcom, I had an apartment in Los
Angeles and New York I had. I had this boyfriend
and I remember I started crying one day and I
couldn't stop. I had everything. I thought that was gonna
make me okay, and I was like, I've never been
more depressed in my life. That was sort of the

(44:32):
beginning of me taking a look inside but also seeing
none of the outside, like I have to be okay
no matter what, Like it's not the job isn't going
to fix it. Like it was like, I don't know,
did you guys ever have a thing where your dreams
came true and you're like, I thought this was gonna
this was the golden ticket. Like how do you have

(44:53):
your life work balance? Have you has been a struggle?
Has that been? I mean, it's hard on the pandemic.
Let's be real, guys, the pandemics is no joke. I
don't think I do have life work balance. I haven't
figured that out at all. I'm working on it. It's
it's been, yeah, like it's it's unfolding. I don't know.

(45:14):
I mean, and I I had a baby January and
then the pandemic hit and talking about having sleep deprivation,
and that was like I had postpartum, plus just I
think depression from not sleeping for the first time in
my life. And so that was like, it was a
good seven months of just like whoa. And then honestly,
I started feeling better once Ricky and I really started

(45:36):
diving into songs again because it reminded me of like, oh, yes,
that's who I am, this is what I do. But
then I was then I was like, oh, but how
do I do this? And also that, and it's been
a real real challenge and um still figuring it out. Honestly.
Julian is a mom as well. She has two kids,
two boys. How old are your kids? Oh, they are

(45:59):
now sixteen and twelve twelve. But it's interesting listening to
your talk because the first child I had, I was
depressed after giving birth and I didn't go back to work.
I just directed this big thing that have won all
these awards, and I just I just couldn't go back
to work. And and it was great to go back

(46:20):
to work, but I was off about a year after that,
and everybody forgot who I was and they, you know,
it was hard to get work again. And then the
second one, Edward, I said, right, that's it. I'm not
making that mistake again. No way I'm going back to work.
So I went back to work two weeks after I
gave birth. Bices arean and that was also not necessarily

(46:45):
the right the right decision. So I feel like I
missed out. I missed the middle road both times. But
it's definitely I mean, I think people underestimate the impact
on your hormones and and everything, and they just do
you know what, all these Instagram influences do not help. Look,

(47:07):
she's got back in shape, you know, Um, she's immediately
back in shape a month after giving birth. I think
that should all be banned. Don't you mean it's toxic? Well,
and I also saying about sweet Kate, like how what
a unique thing to give birth and then immediately go
into a global pandemic, Like how, I'm sure it's probably

(47:28):
your world is upside down and it's probably a little
bit isolating to be, like, have a newborn and then
you're actually isolated, isolated like that must have been doubly
a couple of months of no help because you didn't know,
you couldn't like having an extra person, was didn't feel safe,
And until we figured that out, it was Yeah, it

(47:48):
was a real I'm still you know, I'm also going
to therapy to deal with that time, which was really
really rough, And but I do think that yeah, like
finding finding something that felt to me prior, like you know,
like writing with Ricky was like, oh, like that little
spark of like that's okay, I still have that. That's cool, Like,
but then you know, it is just kind of everything's

(48:11):
upside down. You'm a big believer, and even if it's
not like your work thing, like you know, I like
making crafts that like like and when when my mom died,
like I like I just started making like pump pumps
and stuff or like, yeah, I have a bunch behind me,
like like just stuff that that I do believe the

(48:31):
act of making things, whether you're like a baker or
like whatever you like the knit or whatever your thing is, like,
I think there's a healing power and creativity that there
is something that you know, and this is a hard
year for everybody, but that helps put Humpty Dumpty back
together again. That there's something in the life force of
making something that I think is for me like the

(48:54):
ultimate sort of healing. You feel like you're making you're
doing something with your day even if it's I mean
it's literally threatening young around and it's a painter. I
have a thing where my dad jokes that I'm incapable
of having a hobby because I'll immediately try to turn
it into a career any interest I have, Like my
one remaining interest that was not a career was Broadway musicals,

(49:16):
and now Kate and I are writing one. My dad's like,
you cannot have an interest without secretly plodding how to
like do it and make money from it, Like I
can't do it? What is what are your what's your family? Like, Ricky,
what are your what's your parents? Like? What are you
do your brothers and sisters? I have an older brother
who lives in Colorado who works for my dad, who's
sort of he's an oil and gas layer, but an entrepreneur.

(49:38):
He's got he's got a major entrepreneurial spirit. He's very
into self help like me, Like I get quotes from him,
like every day he just texts me quotes like love
motivational quotes. And then my mom is like the nicest
woman that's ever existed, and she works for my dad.
Was it autistic growing up? Not at all? I was.
I was totally the odd man out. Every one of

(49:58):
my family's into sports, and you know, my dad's a lawyer,
my mom's into computers, and I was the only weird
artsy kid. But yeah, that was just if you have
a chance. I mean, I'm sure art and you're familiar
with Ricky's uh throwback Thursdays, but her her pictures as
a child really say everything like she was ready to

(50:20):
bust out of that town the minute she was born.
Like like, it's really true, and it's amazing. Her photos
are just so good. Oh, I have seen and enjoy
I mean, they are spectacular photos. Thank you. I'm looking
at my dad's texts, like it's just always like, don't
let yesterday use up too much of today. Um, good
judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes

(50:40):
from bad judgment. You've got to go out on a
limb because that's sometimes because that's where the fruit is. Like,
I just just constant, what are your favorite self help
things that you like? Um, oh gosh, I don't know.
That's so weird. I can't. I just I consume it constantly.
I just I just constantly. I'm just like whatever I'm
listening to it, this I heard a good thing the

(51:00):
other day that I'd never heard, which was like, because
I know that as a woman, I can be a
real people pleaser, and I've I feel that I've actually
gotten a lot better about that. But somebody I heard
the phrase fog and it said, I don't I will
not take actions anymore out of fear, obligation or guilt.
Fog that like, I totally took actions out of your obligations.

(51:26):
What are you talking about? Yeah, isn't that a good one?
Did tell me a quote about guilty, said um, He said,
guilt is a control mechanism that keeps us living small. Oh, yes, honey, yes,
I just write down what he says. He's so what
he's like, hysterical means historical, Like if it makes hysterical,
it's coming from a deeper place. I've heard that one.

(51:47):
And then he said, ego cannot expand, it can only
contract your life. Interesting Yeah, and uh and and when
and he says, you know, like when you're in a
transformative time. This is just from one therapy session. He
was like saying, Yes, this is my life identifying what
I'm here to experience. And he says, you're a crystalist.
And the butterfly that moves through the tightest hole, lives
the longest and flies the strongest. But this guy seems

(52:11):
like a wizard. I have the best one. I have
the best one. But I'm like that kind of self help.
Like I'm into people who tell me stuff like that,
and I write it down and read it to other people. Okay,
what do you what helps you? I don't really read
self help stuff, but I I go to therapy, you know.
And that's been I mean, especially this year has been

(52:31):
really really helpful for me. I've been doing E M.
D R, which has been incredible. I started that this year,
you like I do. It's so basically I actually have
the paddles. You I don't have the paddles. I I
do a thing where I like stare on the wall.
I mean, but yeah, you have the paddles. It helps
you process old trauma, and so you either and they

(52:55):
it's like an actual physical that your brain almost like
a record player, can get stuck in certain proof, certain patterns,
and so it helps. So you can either whole paddles
that like vibrate left and right. It's like or it's
like there's an audio or it's like bee bee bee
people or your eyes go back and forth, and then

(53:15):
you like it sons. I mean you you you sort
of get your protective team around you. You name sort
of a group of things that feel safe for you,
and you kind of reprocess an event in a way
with your therapist. But it's sort of to take sort
of the sting out and I might, I might describe it.

(53:35):
You're doing a great job of describing it, and it helps.
It helps survivor. Like a lot of war veterans who
have PTSD, they do this, but they'll do you know,
you don't do it. It's you'll do it just like
a couple of times. It's not like it's not something
you do every day for a year. You know. It's
like but if there's like people have PTSD that they
can process like an event and you can kind of

(53:58):
go through it in a safe way and almost see
different outcome. I don't know, my but it actually changes
like your nerveal, like your brain pattern. It gets stuck
in the groove, it changes the record groove that that
was perfect very similar where I just think it really
helps you walk like safely through memories that I would

(54:20):
just not want to think about. Um, I you have
to go there and then you you just sit with
it and you see it in a different way. And
then somehow, after the end of maybe not even after
the end of that session, but after time, it feels
less scary and bad, at least for me. I've only
had three sessions so far, but it's been going great. Yeah,

(54:43):
it's really great. I have to say I was nervous
to do it. I was like, I don't want to
I don't want to go back there. No thing. I know.
I'm a little like I told you, she's so brave.
I'm like, I don't want to process trauma, like I'm
good running from it, like I feel okay, like I
kind of do, like I kind of feel like I
don't know. I'm just like not, I just I don't
think I could do that. Look, I yeah I did not.

(55:05):
I was. I had known about it for years. I
was like, no, thank you. And then somehow she was like,
just do you want to try? And like all right,
and then yeah, you have to pick like imaginary characters.
I remember I have to do that one, that part,
but that, but everything else I had to do it.
Did you have to create like a safe room that
is your safe space that you come back now. But

(55:25):
that sounds nice. I mean it does a little that
the New England small town Gallumy is like what are
you like, I'm doing Okay, okay, California, Like there we go,
there are paddles processing. I actually thought that, like many
years of going to like acting classes where you do
you know, very you know what would seem like odd
exercises to someone outside like it helped me to dive

(55:46):
into this quicker, probably because I've done so many strange,
you know, exercises and classes. You know you guys, I
have to say, I know that we we don't want
to keep you forever, but like I just find both
of you to be very authentic and true to yourselves
and knowing a little bit about where you're going with
your musical, like I do see your blue sky dreaming

(56:08):
for yourselves. What advice would you give to your younger self? Yes,
we could ask that twice. Actually I was thinking we
could ask you for your younger self when you were
back in your small towns, but then maybe to your
younger selves when you first met as well. Oh I
love that. Oh that's so interesting. Well it kind of
reminds me. Um, you had a question earlier that we

(56:29):
didn't answer, where you asked about our small town um nature.
And one of the things that I think is the
most the biggest advantage of living in a small town
is your like delusional, like you don't know how like
I did, like why did I like? Why was I
like I can be a movie star? Of course I can,
Like I just thought that, and I was like, I
think if I grew up in a more realistic city

(56:50):
where there's lots of people, like if I knew any
more than I did, I think that would have been
a negative. Like I'm glad that in a way, Like
I wouldn't want to give myself that advice to like
to know things like I think my ignorance was like
its great, and I still have like I'm still illusional.
I'm like, of course I can write a Broadway musical
of course, Like I still like I still lived like

(57:11):
that by the way, you did I heard it, excuse me,
you can and you did so, but like that that
thing like where, um, yeah, I wouldn't change that piece
of small town, but I don't. I don't know what
would you say, Kate, what advice would you give yourself. Man.
I mean I think I would just keep telling myself
to keep making things because I've always just been making things.

(57:32):
And then you know, and then also I think, yeah,
I would tell my small town self that, and but
I guess I kind of was doing that, and I
was always just putting on shows and making movies in
the backyard with my brother and things like that. But
I yeah, I wonder what what we would tell each other,
like when we first met. What would be the advice there? Well,

(57:54):
I think, uh, the same thing that I maybe would
have told my younger So I think the thing I
would tell my younger self is like, you don't have
to just be one thing because I just thought that
was a small town thinking of like I'm just an actress,
like I wasn't I put limits on myself, but but
we're limits where I'm like, I'm just going to be
a movie star, like that was the limit. So it

(58:16):
was like my rationality to be fair to you. I
think that the town has changed. I think with you know,
two thousand and six, two thousand seven two, Like I
think because I remember I was offered like certain hosting
things that I said no to, and now like everybody hosts,
and I remember I was offered Mad TV and turned
it down, and then I did it again because it

(58:36):
once you did sketch, you weren't an actress and I
was an actress. And and then eventually, like I feel like,
now everybody's everything, Like to be fair to your younger self,
at the time, there were more like lanes of the highway.
It's like you can't be more than one thing, and
now everybody's everything. But I wish I would have told myself,
like when you when you get to Hollywood, like take

(58:58):
yourself seriously as an artist in general, not as an actress,
like just an actress, Like go work on your writing,
work on all your talents, and see what you can
make rather than just waiting. Because I did a lot
of like acting class and sending out headshots, and I
spent years not ever trying to make my own thing.
So I think I would started fantastic. Don't just sit

(59:19):
and wait, don't just sitting way, it's not just gonna happen.
And also too, I think I would tell myself like,
don't be afraid of of or I mean, maybe this
is just something like finding a partner that you that
you feel inspired by and like, uh, that you feel
like safe with is like I mean, I actually it's
a very lucky thing, but but go with it, run

(59:40):
with it. Yeah, And the power of your friendship to
that you know that it's safe and good like that,
you can do so much more when you have like
the noodle buddy in the pool, like you're both hanging
on to your end of the noodle like like like
that just to make sure, like where's your noodle body
if they go under, like it's like they you have
somebody on your team, Like life is hard enough to

(01:00:02):
tokay like that, the power of the friendship that you
guys can go do anything. I have one more piece
of advice that I wish i'd known, which I know
now and I wish I knew then, was to find
the positive in every situation. Like if you're totally anonymous,
there is such a positive in that because you can
just fail, like like like Julia Roberts can't do stand
up without everyone judging her like you have like you have.

(01:00:25):
Anonymity is a gift where you can just try a
million things and fail and no one's watching you and
that's great. Where like I think maybe I thought more
eyes around me than they were, and I was like
scared to make stuff and writes where I'm like, no
nobody cared. I could have done a million things and
messed up a million times and no one would have noticed. Um.
But always finding that advantage, finding the advantage of not
getting an acting job because then you have more time

(01:00:46):
to write or whatever it is. Can I ask one
quick quick? I know where at the very end love it?
This is at the very end, I know, because you
have to like you, you and Ricky and then you
worked with Natasha, Like was that an interesting like was
there a sort of a sting used to like You're like, no,
this is how my partnership, Like was was that an
interesting thing? Getting used to a different kind of partner totally?

(01:01:06):
Because we you know, we the day we finished post
we finished post in Garflan Goola Notes on a Friday
and Natasha and I started another period Saturday, so I
didn't even have a day off. So it was, yeah,
it was an interesting adjustment, It was yeah, like I yeah,
it is. It is interesting because you're kind of different
person with different people, like you take on a different

(01:01:28):
energy and you know, Natasha is more alpha than I am.
And I think maybe in Garflan colnotes, I'm used to
being more alpha kind of because but we both are,
but just in different ways. But Natasha is definitely more out.
So it was like, yeah, it was interesting, like figuring
out the best way that would work. But the thing
about both partnerships is that I'm like, oh, this is

(01:01:50):
We're so lucky that we always thought the same things
were good, like almost always, Like Natasha and I almost
always agreed on what jokes should go in or what storyline.
Like it was like it was a little crazy how
much and Kate and I have the same thing where
we're like we think the same things are good and
the same things are bad. Did either of you want
because I saw I was surprised, and I like, did
you guys want to direct any of the episodes? I

(01:02:12):
was like, they to be directed? No, we did. It
was it was hard because so we would block shoot
all ten episodes. I guess it was like eighteen episodes
and and and so it's all like so basically what
that means for people who don't block shoot like we
would shoot, say, there was like scenes in the kitchen
from eight different episodes. We eight scenes from and and
so there's d g A stuff where you'd have to

(01:02:32):
bring in a director for one scene and then because
you you can't direct to day, you have to direct.
So it would be it was very complicated, and Jeremy
just had it so under control, and he would do
the entire season. He'd have it all in his brain.
Did he do the whole season? He did every episode
that existed, and he would have the whole thing in
his brain. Did Fred Savage do the whole thing on Perfect? Yes?

(01:02:54):
You did. Yeah, and that was also block shot and
so um. Yeah. But Natasha and I regret not pushing
it and direct. We regret that so much. All right.
I don't want to keep you guys hostage anywhere. I
could ask you questions all day, but somebody's got hair. Yeah, Julianne,
do you have any final ones? No? That was so great.
Thank you so much that. I always love listening to

(01:03:16):
people's advice. I know something of Ricky's really really good advice,
so much so that if people ask me advice and
I know they're friends with Ricky, I will do my best,
but I'll also say, you should really talk to Ricky
about this. No, people call me and they're like Kate
told me to call you. I just digging in. Well,
I thank you so much for doing our podcast. This

(01:03:39):
was so great I could I really I found it
so inspiring. And uh, I wish you guys nothing but
success and dream world five years from now. Final question,
if you could have anything, like, if you could be
doing anything, what would you want to be doing? You
got yes, yes, an opening night of a Broadway show

(01:04:02):
we made. Yeah, that's gonna happen. Oh my god, just
ready because because your movies, whether it's this movie, like
the Broadway version of this movie, which I don't see
why it wouldn't be, or a whole other one. I
mean it's so good. I got like goose bumps. I
was like, look what they made and this was just
the table read version, Like look what they made? Excuse me? Um?

(01:04:28):
All right, you guys, thank you so much. Thank you
for having us. Where could be find you? Ricky? I'm
on Instagram at Ricky went home. Okay, I think that's it, right, Okay,
anything you want to promote and garfunk notes and then yeah,
and I'm Kate mccuchee. Yeah, Um, I'm Arta Marine and

(01:04:48):
this is my friend Julianne Robinson, and you can also
email us at Lady Road Podcast at gmail dot com.
Until next time, have fun, you guys, goodbye, Thank you
you y