May 12, 2022 • 50 mins
Arden and Julie Anne talk to one of Arden's favorite people - the brilliant stand up comedian and One Day At A Time writer Erin Foley about her writing process, becoming a TV writer, and how she approaches her craft. She is truly one of the best joke writers in the business! Buy her comedy album Deep Dive now!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M D. I'm in Hello, that's no need distress. She's
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lay Hello and welcome to another episode of Lady at
the Road podcast. My name is Arta Marine. You might
know me from Insatiable or Chelsea Lately or Shameless. I'm
here with my co host, Miss Julie Anne Robinson. Well,
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we are so excited for this very special Lady of
the Road episode. Here we are you guys are next.
Guest is my other main collaborator in the comedy world. Um.
She is a brilliant stand up comedian, hosted for years
a great live show at Akbar and still rely in
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Los Angeles called Drunk on Stage. You've seen her on Conan.
She has an comedy album out called Deep Dive. She's
also a writer on the TV show One Day at
a Time. And she just lived recently for like six
months in a retirement community in Florida. Ladies and gentlemen,
one of my favorite people. Welcome to the podcast, Miss
Aaron Foley. Hi Harry, It's so good to see everybody.
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How are you doing. I'm good. I'm trying to do
you see it when I like lean in, it's all sunlight.
I'm trying. I haven't my zoom game. I was I
was running a little late, so I I have one
of those lights already, and you told me what to
buy and I put it behind. Yeah, a ring light,
A ring light. Yes, so now I just have like
a desk lamp. Anyway, we're going to get through it.
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You were doing pickle ball. You were just playing pickle ball.
You look great, You look great. Can I say something
that I'm really interested in? Just right off the bat?
I'm just gonna go right there. Um. So, talking to Lisa,
she told me about her us, about her ultra religious upbringing,
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both as an evangelical Christian and then as a super
Catholic Catholic. Um. And I happen to know that there's
a similarity there perhaps, And I was wondering if there
is something to this whole being very religious as a
child becoming stand up thing, Like what is that about?
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I heard you mentioned in your album you grew up Catholic?
Is that correct? I did grow up Catholic? Yes? Yes.
Was it a very religious family that was pretty Catholic? Yeah?
It was. My mom is Mary Agnes Kathleen Foley. Um,
so she she was very Catholic. Um. My aunt is
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a nun. My other aunt teachers nursing in a Catholic college,
so it was pretty Catholic. But my dad this is
what saved us. My dad grew up in Brooklyn and
he was like Catholic upbringing, tortured by d I don't
know whatever, the front, I don't know whatever. He he
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grew up in the in the Catholic school system, um,
and they beat the crap out of him. So his
so when my mom and dad got together, they were like, okay,
well raise the kids. Catholic, but absolutely no Catholic school.
That was the deal they made. So my mom wound
up teaching in a Catholic school. She was a teacher.
So we grew up in very Catholic but not in
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Catholic schools, which was great. I mean, you know, you
don't really know, you just do the c c D.
You go through the thing. But I was, I was.
I was very uncomfortable with it for for a long time.
And then when I figured out I was gay, I
was like, oh no, I'm I'm like beyond done. You know, So,
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do you think that that that background has anything to
do with comedy, because there is a kind of well,
I was just struck by the similarity um between a
Laskiest and you and just wondering if there's you can
draw any conclusions from that. I mean probably, I don't know.
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I I think it almost has to do more with
with Irish, like it's you know, then then the Catholic
thing um, because I know so many Irish Catholic families
and they're interchangeable, you know what I mean. It's like
drinking so funny, super Catholic, repressed. You have to get
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it out some way, you know, So maybe this is
just a way of getting it out. I mean that
could be. There's a lot of filmies like that. In
Rhode Island. There's a lot of you know, they're all
like Sully and like yeah, and they're all areous and
like that sort of the small town New England hilarious,
you know, everybody named Sully and then sort of teasing
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each other. So you you grew up with a twin
and a sister and his funny parents. Is everybody in
your family funny? You know? My older sister isn't really
that funny, but like she can't like she can be
I mean she has three masters and a doctorate, so
that that makes you a little bit more serious. I
think all the studying. Um, but I think my twins hilarious.
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She's just I mean, we have the same sense of humor.
It's just like this cool thing of like she'll say
a word and like we'll just start laughing because it's
like such a shared memory. So part of it is that.
But um, my dad is the funniest you know, was
the funniest man on the planet. And I think my
mom is actually really funny, but almost for different reasons.
She's such a character. She's so I call her rain man. Um.
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My favorite thing in life is to tease my mother
because she will repeat herself seven times a day and
it makes me laugh so hard. She's not doing it
on purpose, though, yes, did you? Did? You always want
to be like did you? When were you aware? I
want to be a stand up comic. I still feel
like I'm not aware. I can't believe I got into
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like this this business. I mean I think I was.
I performed a little bit in college. I played basketball,
played basketball, and then I hurt my back and so
I couldn't physically play basketball my junior year, and I
was like, well, what do I do with my time?
Like I couldn't study abroad. I mean it was a
really bad back injury. And what were you studying in school?
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American studies, which I absolutely loved. Um, So I just
thought I was going to be a teacher. My older
sister was a teacher, my mom was a teacher, my
aunts a teacher. I was like, oh, I'll just teach um.
But then when I couldn't play sports, I was like,
what am I gonna do? And my friends like, well,
there's an improv troupe and I was like, oh my god,
I can't perform. I'm not a performer. I'm not you
know what I mean. I never did any of that.
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But then I you know, it's in time of my hands.
I couldn't play ball and all my friends were studying abroad,
so I like sort of auditioned. I have no background
in like the arts, and uh I got in so
I started doing improv. So that was like the first
taste of taste of it. Yeah. When as I was
preparing to chat with you today and just thinking about
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you know, as I described you to julianne Um And
for those of you who are not familiar with Aaron,
I think she's one of the best stand ups out there.
I think her, I think I describe you as a
joke surgeon, and and that a lot of a lot
of stand ups are really great writers, but not necessarily
as good performers. Or they're great performers, but they're not
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as like I feel like you're the whole package. You're
a great performer and you're a great writer. But I
was thinking about you. It's funny should say that, like
you are almost like an athlete in your prep for comedy.
That in that when we would tour on festivals together,
we would go out really late playing like dancing, but
you would be up in the morning at the on
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the like at the gym, doing the pre corps or whatever,
and then like you would like go to work with
discipline on your material like that you were never done
and you would work on your material in a way
that I didn't. I still don't see other comedians doing it.
And it's like an athlete. Do you think that that
accurately describes you? Or is it like sets you apart?
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Do you think it's your upbringing? Well, thank you for that.
That's the sweetest and you know, right back at you
because being on stage with it was a dream sequence. Um,
but I think, uh, preparation for me, And that's when
I also want to ask Julianne about her prep. I'm
obsessed with people's preparation. Um. To me, I am I.
I you know my mom was just her work ethic
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that she, you know, gave to us was amazing, like
we've and to me, you have to be a real nerd.
Like I love the dress. I've always loved to write.
So it's it always feels like it's never done. How
can I up it? How can I? But to me,
I have to write it out. I can't type it out.
I have like you know, I have maybe seven million
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of these composition notebooks. I have to write it out,
and I keep writing it out, and then I record everything.
I record literally every single set. I listened back, and
when I listen back, that's when I can revise and
revise and revise. Um. And you have to love that
process because I well, for me, that's why I can't
just wing it, you know what I mean. If I'm
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completely prepared on stage and I know where I'm going,
then when someone throws an onion rang at me, which
happened in Pory, Illinois, bounced off my shoulder. I'm sorry
about that. They didn't cook it enough. I'm sorry I didn't.
My arm has never been so I believe you through
and I need that. Um uh. But then you can
go with the flow. Then you feel confident going in. Okay,
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I'm on stage. I have a plan. These are my goals.
I'm gonna stake my new jokes in in with greatest hits. Um.
I have to every single set. I have to grow learned.
I can't. I literally cannot say that same set twice
the same way. I'll lose I'll lose my mind. Like
So that's why I just keep churning it out because
I I have to keep whatever I do, I have
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to keep getting better and tried stuff. I have a question.
My question is just this is just from outside the industry,
not really being part of I mean, you know, I
work with a lot of people in comedy, but I
don't really understand the stand up world. When you're a
stand up, a pure stand up, is your ambition to
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like be a stand up or is it too like
this is gonna sound terrible, you guys, you're not going
to like this question, But is it to be like
on SNL or is it to be like on TV?
Or is it because just purely as an artist to
be on the stage as a stand up And I
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liken it to being, say, a theater actor purely a
theater actor, or you get those theater actors who want
to be on TV and they want to do you
know what I mean. Yeah, there's an autistic element to it.
So I'm just really curious. Yeah, and i'd be curious. Well,
I'll jump in, but art and I really want to
hear what you have to say to For for me
and my experience, there was a real difference between New
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York and Los Angeles. And I'm not I'm not crapping
on L a stand up comedy world. What I mean
is in New York, growing up in New York, being
a stand up in New York City all and I'm
not saying this is this is well, I'm getting ahead
of myself in New York City learning how to do
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stand up and being in New York City for a
long time, all you thought about, at least I think
for the majority of people, all you thought about was
becoming a really good stand up. Right. It's such a
great if you want to be a good stand up
move to New York. It's such, it's the place to
do it. There's so many rooms. Um, it's revered, it's respected.
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Um you can you know, do as much as little
as you want. And that's all I really thought about.
You know, I was never an actor. I never wanted
to be an actor. Um. I I kind of fell
into it, you know. I was doing improv and then
it was at a stand up comedy Clay Club. So
I started doing stand up. But at some point you
realize like, oh, I I have no money, right, so
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how do I how do how do I figure this out?
So art and you probably did some of this in
New York. I started doing a lot of like voice
over work, some acting, but they just assumed because you're funny,
you want to act and you want it. And that
has really, um been very hard for me because I
never wanted to do any of this, and I really
sort of wish. I am envious a little bit that
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in l A a lot of stand up comics. Um there, Yeah,
they want to be actors, writers or whatever, so they're
they're doing stand up, which is totally totally fine, but
I'm getting like, now I'm so obsessed with my writing
were that I had wish I gotten started so much sooner.
But in l A, the stand ups were always writing
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during the dangering stand up at night, and that's what
I'm sort of envious of. Like I I love the
path that I did, but I just wish maybe I
could have started in this other world which I love
now so much. Um sooner. Is there a snobbery attached
to people who've got this purity of purpose and then
oh the people that go and do like the other
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things like TV. And because I mean, I can remember
when I was a THEIT director, the people that went
to TV we looked on as kind of like they
they went to TV. There's a real snobbery about like
your sell out, your sell out. That's the perfect way
of describing it. I don't I think maybe some people
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feel that way. But I mean, I love I love
stand up comedy. I mean I I but now that
I'm older, I'll always love to stand up comedy. I'll
always try to do it in some way or form.
But you it's really very hard to make a living
unless you are an actor, unless you're on television. And
the good thing about being on television is a stand up.
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As you find your people, people go oh, I like
that person. Usually men, but the few women that break through. Like,
the whole thing about stand up is you do it
long enough to find your people. Well, if you're not
on TV, it's very hard to find your people. So
it's this sort of it's it becomes a very hard lifestyle.
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So I'm decreasing my stand up because I can't stand
the lifestyle anymore, not because I don't love stand up
as much. Well, you and I chatted about that a
lot in the last few years. As you were you
intentionally made a decision to put more energy towards becoming
a writer, getting staff, selling a show like that, you know,
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for touring as a stand up. Unless you're super super
high up, it's it's you're gone a lot, and it's
it's just enough to sort of cover your bills. Like
it's it's hard and and if you get hurt or like,
it's hard to have any padding. You know, you live
and die by the t shirts yoursell, by the albums
you sell. After like and without it is like this
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catch twenty two that you need these other credits to
kind of help get the bigger things. And I think
as a woman, like as a woman, and do you
think you are ever pigeonholed because you are a gay
female comic. I mean, was that harder with touring or
getting booked into clubs? Two people treat you differently. I
don't know. I mean, I think the gay thing, honestly,
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it wasn't wasn't too huge of a factor because I'm
not performing in our terrible states. But the woman factor,
for sure, you know, the woman factor for sure. But
it's kind of crazy. It's like you work, your you
work for a really long time. Then you get on
the road and then I'm headlining. That's my goal. Like
I'm headlining all these clubs, theaters, whatever, and I'm barely
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making a living and I'm headlining and you're gone every weekend,
You're gone, You're you're missing everything. Yeah, I mean, it's
it's pretty awesome. It's like, oh my god, I did it.
I did it. I checked the box. I can go
anywhere in this country and make people laugh Like that
is great. Okay, I'm in debt one million dollars. You
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know that's insane. You're like, how can I be on
the top of my game? But like barely barely scraping by,
you know. And then I really was just feeling like,
oh my god, this travel and everything. And then I
met Liz Feldman, who of course did Dead to Me
and so many others, so many things. But we met
at a stand up in doing stand up in l A.
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And she was working on Two Broke Girls, and she
was like, Hey, come over, can you come over and
punch up um some scripts I'm working on? And I
was like, what is that? I mean, I had no idea.
I don't know that world. This was like maybe five
years ago. And I sat I'll never forget down. I
sat down in her kitchen and she was writing a
script and I was punching it up. I was like,
is this a job? Because this is this was like
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the best afternoon of my life. I was like, I'm laughing,
I'm writing, I'm doing basically stand up on the page.
And that to me just kind of changed the course
of everything. We're gonna stop right here, Um, we're going
to go to a quick at break and we're back.
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I also met Liz Feltman on Two Broke Goes. Oh
no way, wait, so so directing? Yeah, okay, can I
ask can I ask a directing question. Now can ask anything.
I am kind of obsessed with. Well, I have like
a bunch of questions. But the first one is when
I was on UM One Day at a Time, how
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there was a new director every two weeks or one week,
every episode was a new director. And I could not
get my head around that. Like, I was like, that's
got to be really hard for the director. And I
saw how it was hard for the actors too. You
get used to someone because we had a couple do
two weeks in a row. You know, one guy is
like energy out the out the wow zoo, and we're like, oh,
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that's cool, you know, and then the next person comes
in negative eight million, which was fine, but it was
just a different you know. So I was like, that
must be So I'm just kind of fascinated. How why
I just thought you'd have one director for the season. Yeah, well,
UM is one day at a time multicam or single
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tame multi multi um. Okay, so that too. Broke Hills
is my one and only multicam experience for many reasons anyway, UM,
but I would say it's still the same thing applies
for any any show. UM. There's always different directors, although
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it is getting more common for one director to do
like six episodes, but the workload to do that is phenomenal,
and usually the scripts aren't ready. So if you you know,
from one day at a time, you write them week
to week, you don't like write them all at the
front and then unless that's how it worked, well, we
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had yeah, we had written most of it before we
started shooting, but then you get to the table read
and it's a full script and then half of it's
like throw out of it. But a lot of it
was like oh wait, and so yeah, So you're constantly writing,
so if you're directing, you can't be prepping at the
same time. Um. And so when you're there's so much
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to do. I mean on multi cam, I think there's
less in terms of sets and everything, but certainly on
single camera, you know, whole scripts can be thrown out,
whole new locations can be needed to be found. There's
just a lot of prep. You can't possibly do that
when you're shooting. So that's why it's constantly changing. Um.
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But it is. It's a tough tough job episodic directing,
and I like to do it because I like to
join somebody else's party. I always feel like you learned
a lot. You learn a lot of new skills. I've
for example, I shot Pushing Daisies back in the day.
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That was a fun show. That was Christian Schadoworth. That
was that was Lee Pace and Christian Chadoworth. That was music.
Was there a musical? Was it a musical? No, it
was just it was very beautifully shot. Like Emily and
it was. Barry Son and Felt shot that pilot, and
so what you tend to do is you tend to
look at the pilot and dissect it as a director,
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so you'll and that was shot really interestingly in it
used a lot of wide lenses close to the actor's
faces so that they couldn't look Sorry, it's very technical, No,
I'm okay. So imagine that you're an actor and the
camera is how how far it's like less than a
foot away from your face, and then for eyelines they
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would use like tiny little stick on figures on the
map box for the other people that the actors were
talking to. And um, that's a very specific Barry Soon
and Feld style of directing. But I learned that doing
that doing an episode of that All. For example, Castle Rock,
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I shot Castle Rock. I've never shot horror before, so
I had to teach myself how to shoot horror for
that episode. And so I think you're always expanding your
skill set. You're always expanding the number of people that
you meet, your expanding the actors that you work with. UM.
But a lot of directors who are predominantly pilot directors,
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which means you do the first episode of a season
and everybody kind of copies that. A lot of those
uh directors don't do episodic, so it's like, oh, I'm
not going to do episodic. Do you ever feel unwelcome?
Like when you come in and a cast it's like
we don't know you, Like, like, how do you deal
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with that? It's part of shop It's part of shopping
up your skills as well. You have to be able
to hopefully, uh, you know, get people to work with you. UM.
I haven't had that particular experience, but I have had
it with Cruise. So I haven't had the experience of
the cast saying we don't want to work with you,
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but I have had it on a couple of occasions
with Cruise, and that's brutal. Wait, So the so like
you're because you come in alone. You you don't have
knowing your assistant or anything like. You You're just you're
it's just you stepping onto a crew that is already work.
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Here's your DP, this is your deep this is your
camera person, this is your sound head. Nobody you don't
know nobody, Nobody is on your team. They're all on
the they're all on the show. That it's all fully bonded.
The actors are fully bonded. And if you if you
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put a foot out of place, you you can, like
the crew can turn. And I mean, I'm very lucky
that I've been doing this twenty years and it's only
happened like twice, but I really remember that, and it's
usually gone back to the DP. UM. The DP doesn't
take to you, doesn't like what you're asking them to do,
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or doesn't think that what you're doing is in the
style of the show, and then they can um they
can turn the crew and it's it's al this like,
how do you ever read Mallorie Towers when you were young?
Did you ever read in a blatant Mallory Towers? Or
it's that just an English thing? It was set in
a boarding school, any know? That that sounds fun. And
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they had this thing where they would send girls to Coventry.
It's called being sent to Coventry. Have you ever heard
of that? No, but I'm writing this down. WHOA. And
so basically, in this boarding school context, one girl would
have put a foot out place and all the other
girls would refuse to speak to her. That's being sent
to Coventry. So I would always think, Gosh, I'm being
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sent to Coventry. This is like five shows in Erie,
Pennsylvania that started at six thirty, and I was working
with two dudes and one dude was the MC. Then
he got off stage, sat in the front row with
his wife or a girlfriend and talk the whole time. No,
that sounds like Coventry? Is that true? Did that have? Yeah?
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Also six thirty six thirty Eerie, Pennsylvania. It was a nightmare.
I'll never forget doing Howard Hughes's show. And there's a guy.
There's a man named Howard Hughes, not not no relation
to the real Howard Hughes, who ran a stand up
club in ten be Or Scottsdale. Stand up scott Dale.
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But I remember I did. I did a New Year's
set and a girl that hated me from high school
showed up. She should have. I think it was a
five pm show and she sat there and she counted
the people in the audit. She's like one town. She's like, oh,
only seven people are there. Yeah, because it's five pm.
Like if you came to the ten o'clock show or
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the midnight show, Like I think I did four shows
in one night with Howard Hereson, Oh my god, probably
would blow all over his space. That dude was a monster.
Are you gonna get sued for that? Uh No, I
think he's I don't even know if he's alive. I really,
I mean he's probably buried somewhere in Scottsdale. And he
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wasn't He was a rascal. But it was definitely it
was like, cut a lady a break. It's five stand
up show, it's still light out, and you can't say
this is gonna be the best show ever. Um, Aaron,
Can I ask you a question about And I don't
mean to go all over the place. I was so
woud by your album by Deep Dive, And what I
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think you do really well is I think you can
appeal to anybody in the crowd, Like I said, But
but you're not. But without being bland or like you
are able to I feel like to appeal to the gals,
appeal to straight dudes, appealed to like, you know, a
gay audience, and talk politics in a way that's not
off putting, Like I just feel that you have integrity
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behind who you are. That's also a very welcoming experience,
which is not an easy needle to thread. And just
for an example about a political thing, you had to
and it was just like and again there's so many
billy laughs in this album, but it was just like
not where I saw the punchline going of like and
it was just like a sort of friendly, not not
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aggressive way to have a political joke. But you were
describing Mike Pence and you were just I mean Mike
pens and I don't want to get this wrong, but
base of like of being if you go into a
thrift store, wait do you mind is telling a little bit?
This is out of cot. It was just like it's
just your brain was so specific. You go into the
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thrift store and you go like through various rooms and
you get to the last room. It's like you know
when you're I think this is it because I just,
you know, unfortunately to stare at that awful face for
way too long, and so I just was like, who,
how does he remind me of? He's so off putting
in every way. So it's like it's like when you're
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in a thrift store and you're just kind of wandering
around the thrift store, but also when you go down
like an aisle that's like empty, you know, but there's
just one porcelain doll on the shelf and you're like like,
that's like, oh my god. It was just like that's
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like pets. He's like the porcelain doll in the back room,
and it does see like is there a another room?
There is one more room and there's a shelf, And
as a Portland adult, that's my gos. There's something that
was just so like I think your brain. I mean,
even you're talking about like how you love sports, but
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how the NFL is not geared towards women. And then
the ads, the ads, I mean the ads like likes.
I'm sorry, I don't mean you guys should all just
buy her, you should buy her album, but like the
care and the precision and you are you. I feel
that so many people could come listen to you and
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enjoy it, Like I can see the effort and the
joke surgeon quality that you put in. Um, I just
I just hold you in such high regard. Well, that's
that's what I ask you a questioner along those lines
of the joke surgeon quality? Do you believe that anybody
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can be funny? No? Do you believe that you could
teach somebody how to tell a joke? Well, how to
make a joke? For sure? You really? For sure? Could
you teach me? Yeah? Because you just come on? Then
will you teach Julianne how to write a joke? Yeah?
Because yeah, I'll give you an example. Um, probably, I
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don't know, once or twice a year, I will Um,
my friend Matthew is a teacher UM in Los Angeles,
and they're probably like he probably is like fifth graders
and sixth graders. So this time I had a zoom,
But I'll zoom twice a week. I'll pick he'll pick
a period and we do jokes, and UM, I usually
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go into school. But obviously with the pandemic and these
kids are barely trying, and they're there, I'm laughing, hilarious,
Like there there's there's a couple of students where I'm
literally crying. I'm like, oh my god, or they're really
pushing the envelope in their tent and I'm like, oh
my god. You know, and I always say, start with
the story. I think I think anyone could be for
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sure be taught to write a joke or a couple
of jokes, because you you've got to take the pressure
off yourself of thinking of a one line or or
being clever. Everybody has a funny story. You just start
with a story, a couple of minutes of a story,
and then you just kind of get the fat to,
you know, get the fat off, get the fat off,
and then boom, you'll have really not how you do
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it well? You know. For me, sometimes I'll see something
and I'll write it down, you know, but my my
stuff is longer. Do you think Mike Pens could write
a joke like he could? I mean I would throw
up while he was delivering it. But I know, I
do think. I do think if you, if you put yourself,
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if you want to and you feel and if I
asked anyone every if you if I go okay, in
one week, just just open your eyes a little bit more.
You know, just lean into conversations and just write down
a couple of things that you thought were funny. I mean,
all you have to do is pay more attention. It's
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all it is. It's like when you if you focus
on you know, stand up comedians have like we're on
high alert. You know what I mean, you're oh my god,
that was you know, you write it down. You know.
But if if you just put someone on high alert
for a week, I guarantee they'll come back with a
treasure trove of material. But they just don't know it.
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It's a joke. They don't they don't process it like that. Okay,
that's great, We're gonna stop right here, We're gonna go
to a quick at break. We're back. I know that
Julianne was curious about the difference for you between nothing
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going into like what it's been like for you now
being on staff and on one day at a time. Yeah.
I think once I had I I started punching up
Feldos scripts and UM then started punshing up people's pilots,
and then Arden was a big influence. UM she had
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a writer's group and I was like, I need to
know how this all works. I'd go over her place
on Mondays and that, and we'd all bring in pages
that was instrumental. And because I knew the stand up world,
I didn't know the writing world at all. I just
knew when I started really diving into it that I
absolutely loved it because I feel like I'd been writing
stuff throughout the you know, last ten twenty years, but
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like you know, I didn't know what it was or
it was just for a piece for this magazine or something,
you know what I mean. So I just loved it
because I love people. I love working with people. I
love coworkers. I didn't realize like I'd been in and
out of rooms and stuff, but one day at the
time was my first like full staffing job, and within
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like two days I came home to Sarah and I was,
I have to do this for the rest of my life.
This does not feel like a job. It was challenging.
Writing is difficult, but to me, being around a table
my team because in my sports I love meeting people.
I'll talk to a stranger for an hour and a
half and then you're joking around character. I mean, I
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was literally I was obsessed. I loved I just loved it,
and I felt like this is I felt like stand
up I was sort of born. I was born to
do that, except it's it's a difficult, like life around it.
And to me, the writing world feels like, oh, this
is the life around it is completely doable, and the
day to day feels um so creative and wonderful. I
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wouldn't want to have you, Like you're fun to have around.
You're a hard worker, you're talented, like, you're a good
laugh like and you're not going to just roll over
like well that's good enough, Like you have a pursuit
of excellence, like I think, like, who wouldn't want to
hire you? Well, the phone should hopefully be ringing off
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the hook after this podcast before we go, I know,
Julianne had a couple of questions about you living in
a retirement community. The pandemic in Florida and Naples, Florida
was Naples, Florida, People's Florida. Yep, that was it? Really?
How did that come to be and how it was?
It was? It was? It was pretty fantastic. It was
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just one of those things where, um, I couldn't believe
it happened, but um, the long and short of of
it was Sarah, my partner moved from New York City
to l A February one, and we had a good
run for about thirty days, and then what happened? What happened?
Did something happen? And I might have caused the pandemic
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because I was writing for one day at a time.
We were a house sitting. I actually moved out of
my apartment because we were going to get an apartment together.
We put our stuff in storage. We're house sitting so
we could figure out, Okay, what neighbor do we want
to live? Than to have this new experience, I'd write it,
you know, Sony. It was in Culver City, I'd write it.
Sony was a five minute commute to come back to Sarah.
She was like making dinner and I said out loud,
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I've never been this happy than the pandemic. So I
might have caused the pandemic. But so our stuff was
in storage. You know, I lost my job. I was like, okay, well, seriously,
there's no work like stand up was where am I going?
There's no stand up like? Anyway, So our friends came
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back and then unfortunately my dad passed away. But it
wasn't COVID like he had been sick for a long time.
So we're like, okay, let's pack up. And so I
spent the month of mayor June with my mom and
my sister and then we're going to come back to
l A. And that's when COVID kind of completely exploded,
which we thought was the end. And Sarah's like, my
mom is an empty condo in a retirement in Florida,
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and we're like all right, and we just we just
kept going. We were already in Texas. Did you do
like the group activities? Did you do like water aerobics?
I guess it was COVID. No, it was COVID. But
the craziest thing is we were only planning to be
there for a month. We stayed for seven months. It
was it was life. It was kind of life changing
because we nobody knew what a lesbian was. I'm not
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even kidding. It was we kept getting asked are we sisters?
And I go, no, we're partners. I was like, oh
my god, that's my worst nightmare. Were partners. And this
guy goes, I don't even know what you mean, and
we're you know what I mean? Like, and then he
became like honest, to God, like he felt like a
father figure by the end, like it was just this
crazy mix of like trumpers and the two random lesbos
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and they loved you and they all started to love
you and it was all it was. It was pretty awesome.
I have to say, that's crazy. What what a what
a world? And what a year? Yeah, I was doing
stand up from her mom's walk in closet. I did
the first three like yes September, October, November of my
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Gaze Rust Show, and I'd be like, hey, everybody, happy
Gaze Rust Show. I'm in a closet again. Here, I'm
back in the closet. But yeah, I was literally doing
doing sandum comedy from her closet, from her mother's Wow.
I'm gonna just ask one question that we've been asking
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almost all of the guests, and the question is what
advice would you give you a twenty year old self.
It's that's that's a good question. It's it's hard because
you want to immediately tell your twenty year old self
to to do a whole bunch of things differently so
you can, you know, kind of navigate the hard stuff.
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But at the same point, all the hardships along the
way make you who you are. I guess I would say, hey,
you're gay. Let's just get that out of the way. Um,
stop randomly hooking up with dudes going um, why was
there no second date? When you start talking about football
the entire time? Um. And I would probably say if
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I could tell myself to keep going with stand up,
but but get into the writing world quicker, I would
say that. And then my last piece of advice I
would probably say. I would probably say, spend more time
with your parents. Oh, now I feel terrible. I was
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going to call my mom this morning and I didn't
call her tomorrow. Call her tomorrow. It's too late. She's
in England. Call her tomorrow. I have to. Oh, that's
good advice, I will say, Aaron, and you know my
journey on grief island. But I'll tell you when my
dad died, Like, I remember being aware that I didn't
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give my mom grandchild her in and then I didn't
live near her because she loved she loved kids and
she wanted lots, and I was like, I didn't give
that to her. But I thought the one thing I
could do, because she was so fun, I'm going to
tear up the one thing I could do because she
was so fun, was like I could give her fun,
like I could give her experiences, and like I intentionally
I was like, I'm just gonna treat her like she's
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my twenty five year old friend. And just like I
remember I brought her to a drag show. Oh you
were always doing such fun stuff. But it was just
like that I'm not in the same time I wasn't
in the same time zone as her, but so that
I just made sure that when I was like, because
I think when you get older, you start to get invisible,
like she was so alive, you know, and so it's
just like I remember, I intentionally was like I'm going
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to treat her like she's young and fun and vital
and include her and things that the rest of society
might not include her in. And so like I will
say when she did die, like I know that that
like for anybody listening, bring your mom somewhere fun. Just
go to bring her like somewhere that you would bring
your he is in your pals, like like it's fun.
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We I brought her to a that I brought her
to the lipstick lounge. We did karaoke and nash Asian bar.
But like that that was it is like it doesn't
have to be lots and lots of time, but it
can be like a fun experience. Yeah, you gotta work
with what you have. Like Mary Folly, I can't bring
to a lipstick lesbo bar, but I do now call
her every day and she's so quirky and there's always,
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of course something wrong. So she answers the phone and
I go, what's wrong? Like that's like every day I go,
what's wrong, mom, and she just starts laughing. She's like,
well my actually, and then she'll touch down me. You
must be the apple of her eye. Well, I just
love to teaser. I mean she you know, I've lost
everything and she found everything I've ever lost. She drove
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me to every single practice she's I mean, you know,
I don't know how she did it. So I have
to call her forever. And you watched The Bachelor with her?
Yea By sucked her in to the bet. Mary Folly, Well, Aaron,
you're just such an inspiration. I think sky's the limit
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for you. I think you're right on time and all
those years of you being a headlining stand up, like
I think you'll sell your own show and folly late Bloomer. Um, well,
let me just say this. Uh Now, Julianne, I've I've
done a lot of Uh. I always say deep dive.
That's why I named the album. Uh I. I googled
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you aggressively in a respectful way that sounded weird. Um,
and now I am president of your fan club. I
was like, oh, my god, you did that and that
it's so cool, Like I I feel like I have
eighteen more questions, but just the fact that you are
directing and producing and you're my god, You're all over
the place. I'm so I was so impressed because any
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any woman like your projects you choose to do and
stuff or just at the questions, Well, we can trim
it down as ask whatever question you want to ask.
I just want to ask, like how you go how
you pick your problem? Like do you have an overall
life mission statement? Do you have a bucket list? Do
people come to you? Like, how do you connect with
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with these with these projects and these shows. It's just
a complete fluke most of the time. UM. I tend
to like, I love to do work with people that
have worked before. Definitely the it's my preference so really
over the past ten years. I would say that most
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of the episodes that I've done, people that I like
a phone me up and said, hey, I'm doing this thing.
Do you want to come and do it? And I go, yeah,
you know, so that's that sounds weird, and that includes Bridgetin.
By the way, That's exactly what happened with Bridgetin. Betsy
called me from Shonda Land and said, Hey, we're doing
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this thing. Do you want to do? You want to do?
You want to come and do it? It was basicly it. Um,
that's in terms of the directing. But you know, um,
I'm like, I have a I'm very interested in a
lot of different things. I have like endless curiosity, and
I love to do something that I've never done before.
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So I'd always wanted to do a period drama. Came
very close a few years ago and I for some reason,
I couldn't do it then. So this was like whoa
period drama? But like equally, oh, horror, Like when I
did a horror I was. I loved it. It's so
much Maxie with the camera, um, so much storytelling with
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the camera. So I had a new passion, you know.
And then comedy. I've always loved to do comedy when
I first came over. And you know, the great thing
about comedy you were talking about lifestyle, you know, touring
versus being at home and U the thing about comedy
is there's ABC, CBS, Warner Brothers, and NBC all within
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fifteen minutes of my home. So when the kids were young,
it made a lot of sense. I would drive, shoot,
come back home, see the kids. That it's just a
that's a whole lifestyle choice in addition to being very
challenging and fun. So I know that's probably not the
most satisfying answer, but it's definitely the most truthful. No,
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I mean, that's I I often want to know. And
the cool thing is when you started talking about directing
your whole body language change and you got like really
into it. And that's the best thing. When people get
like talk about what they do and as an infectious
quality as as as ardent, Like Arden could talk about
like a caterpillar and then everybody's like, let's get a caterpillar.
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She has like you know what I mean. I love
people that love what they do, So that's that's super awesome. Yeah, well,
I know I think people want people to be um Oh,
they want you to have a plan or they want
you to have a vision. Um, but I haven't. My
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life hasn't gone that way. I think there's a lot
of people that have. But for me, you know, being
a mom has been equally as important as having this career.
And it's only now that I'm feeling like I'm able
to make other choices, you know, as my kids get
older and they could handle me being away from home more.
(45:30):
And it's not just them being able to handle it,
because they could probably always handle it. It's me feeling
like I can emotionally be away from home more. It's
that's also that's cool for me to just kind of
spread my wings and go and do things and far
away lands. Mom's like bouncing motherhood in a career. It's
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super human. It's like super I mean, I don't know.
I feel exhausted and it's just me. It's just and
I'm like, man, how did I think it? Defined? Like
I can't, I can't imagine, but that that is state.
My husband is a stay at home dadb We love Rob.
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That helps three cheers to Rob a Rob. And he's handy.
Rob can built things. He's so sweet. We love Rob.
Everybody needs to Rob Rob Jesus, I don't know what.
I literally follow Sarah around the house and I'm like,
what are you doing? What are you doing now? She's like,
please get away from me, Please just give me some space.
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I just I don't know what I do without her,
oh Man, traumentic. Well, ladies, I feel like I really
felt like I had wonderful chats today with my favorite women,
like and go see You, Go see Arden anywhere doing
literally anything. This woman is the most entertaining person. And
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let me just say, it's not like she's make on
the camera or on the stage. She is so real
and so fun and quirky, and she's just I mean,
I think about I literally think about the choices I
made in stand up and writing, and you were like
at the epicenter of all of them. So you are.
You are a rock star art and thank you so much.
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You've you and Lisa is here earlier really taught me
to trust in what was unique about me and that
that was enough, and that what particularly in stand up
where I've always doubted myself, but that I the moment
where I've actually really enjoyed it was when you guys
just encouraged me just to not fight who I was
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and just beyond like the most authentic. That's it. That's it.
If you're having fun. It's a simple as sentence. If
you're having fun, they're having fun. And I always think
about that because then I get in my head and
I go, oh, that word needs to be removed, and
then I need to put that joke there, and then
I'm like, oh my god, I'm a monster. But if
I just go, what's gonna be fun? You know what
I mean? If you can just get to that headspace
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before you go on or before you go in the
room or wherever you are, and go, if I'm having fun,
they're having fun. If I'm having fun there well, and
to that end, I cannot recommend enough. If you guys
want to hear a comedy album, I look, I don't
know what took me so long. I don't know why
I just bought it, but I just bought it and
listened to during two days ago. What comedian wants to watch?
(48:25):
But I wanted to prepare for you and I was
howling it is the best ten dollars you're gonna spend on.
I I cannot recommend it enough. It is so funny,
and I thought, I actually thought I should buy all
my other friends albums like It's a hard Time. It
felt so good. It was so therapy, like the amount
of money I've spent on real therapy. If I could
(48:46):
spend ten dollars on somebody's album or fourteen dollars or whatever,
like I was dying, I'm gonna listen to it again.
It was so funny. If you want to see somebody
in their prime doing what they're good at and you
have a need a release, and you're going for a walk,
it is hot, hilarious. Thank you, So keep Where can
(49:06):
people find you? Miss fully? Um? Yeah inside, you know,
for the next seven years. I hope we see the
light of days and and your your girlfriend's mom's closet. Yes,
now now where I'm back out of the closet. You
can find me on some pickleball courts and the greater
Burbank area. Um or I'm still doing um um. You know.
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I try to do is three or four stand up
shows a month, and those are always surprisingly a good time,
So I just listen them on Erin k Foley dot com, uh, Instagram, Twitter.
I'm not the I'm not the greatest on social media.
But I tried um but anyway, yeah, well you are
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M D. I'm in Hello, that's no need distress. She's
(00:20):
lay Hello and welcome to another episode of Lady at
the Road podcast. My name is Arta Marine. You might
know me from Insatiable or Chelsea Lately or Shameless. I'm
here with my co host, Miss Julie Anne Robinson. Well,
(00:42):
we are so excited for this very special Lady of
the Road episode. Here we are you guys are next.
Guest is my other main collaborator in the comedy world. Um.
She is a brilliant stand up comedian, hosted for years
a great live show at Akbar and still rely in
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Los Angeles called Drunk on Stage. You've seen her on Conan.
She has an comedy album out called Deep Dive. She's
also a writer on the TV show One Day at
a Time. And she just lived recently for like six
months in a retirement community in Florida. Ladies and gentlemen,
one of my favorite people. Welcome to the podcast, Miss
Aaron Foley. Hi Harry, It's so good to see everybody.
(01:29):
How are you doing. I'm good. I'm trying to do
you see it when I like lean in, it's all sunlight.
I'm trying. I haven't my zoom game. I was I
was running a little late, so I I have one
of those lights already, and you told me what to
buy and I put it behind. Yeah, a ring light,
A ring light. Yes, so now I just have like
a desk lamp. Anyway, we're going to get through it.
(01:51):
You were doing pickle ball. You were just playing pickle ball.
You look great, You look great. Can I say something
that I'm really interested in? Just right off the bat?
I'm just gonna go right there. Um. So, talking to Lisa,
she told me about her us, about her ultra religious upbringing,
(02:15):
both as an evangelical Christian and then as a super
Catholic Catholic. Um. And I happen to know that there's
a similarity there perhaps, And I was wondering if there
is something to this whole being very religious as a
child becoming stand up thing, Like what is that about?
(02:38):
I heard you mentioned in your album you grew up Catholic?
Is that correct? I did grow up Catholic? Yes? Yes.
Was it a very religious family that was pretty Catholic? Yeah?
It was. My mom is Mary Agnes Kathleen Foley. Um,
so she she was very Catholic. Um. My aunt is
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a nun. My other aunt teachers nursing in a Catholic college,
so it was pretty Catholic. But my dad this is
what saved us. My dad grew up in Brooklyn and
he was like Catholic upbringing, tortured by d I don't
know whatever, the front, I don't know whatever. He he
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grew up in the in the Catholic school system, um,
and they beat the crap out of him. So his
so when my mom and dad got together, they were like, okay,
well raise the kids. Catholic, but absolutely no Catholic school.
That was the deal they made. So my mom wound
up teaching in a Catholic school. She was a teacher.
So we grew up in very Catholic but not in
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Catholic schools, which was great. I mean, you know, you
don't really know, you just do the c c D.
You go through the thing. But I was, I was.
I was very uncomfortable with it for for a long time.
And then when I figured out I was gay, I
was like, oh no, I'm I'm like beyond done. You know, So,
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do you think that that that background has anything to
do with comedy, because there is a kind of well,
I was just struck by the similarity um between a
Laskiest and you and just wondering if there's you can
draw any conclusions from that. I mean probably, I don't know.
(04:24):
I I think it almost has to do more with
with Irish, like it's you know, then then the Catholic
thing um, because I know so many Irish Catholic families
and they're interchangeable, you know what I mean. It's like
drinking so funny, super Catholic, repressed. You have to get
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it out some way, you know, So maybe this is
just a way of getting it out. I mean that
could be. There's a lot of filmies like that. In
Rhode Island. There's a lot of you know, they're all
like Sully and like yeah, and they're all areous and
like that sort of the small town New England hilarious,
you know, everybody named Sully and then sort of teasing
(05:08):
each other. So you you grew up with a twin
and a sister and his funny parents. Is everybody in
your family funny? You know? My older sister isn't really
that funny, but like she can't like she can be
I mean she has three masters and a doctorate, so
that that makes you a little bit more serious. I
think all the studying. Um, but I think my twins hilarious.
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She's just I mean, we have the same sense of humor.
It's just like this cool thing of like she'll say
a word and like we'll just start laughing because it's
like such a shared memory. So part of it is that.
But um, my dad is the funniest you know, was
the funniest man on the planet. And I think my
mom is actually really funny, but almost for different reasons.
She's such a character. She's so I call her rain man. Um.
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My favorite thing in life is to tease my mother
because she will repeat herself seven times a day and
it makes me laugh so hard. She's not doing it
on purpose, though, yes, did you? Did? You always want
to be like did you? When were you aware? I
want to be a stand up comic. I still feel
like I'm not aware. I can't believe I got into
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like this this business. I mean I think I was.
I performed a little bit in college. I played basketball,
played basketball, and then I hurt my back and so
I couldn't physically play basketball my junior year, and I
was like, well, what do I do with my time?
Like I couldn't study abroad. I mean it was a
really bad back injury. And what were you studying in school?
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American studies, which I absolutely loved. Um, So I just
thought I was going to be a teacher. My older
sister was a teacher, my mom was a teacher, my
aunts a teacher. I was like, oh, I'll just teach um.
But then when I couldn't play sports, I was like,
what am I gonna do? And my friends like, well,
there's an improv troupe and I was like, oh my god,
I can't perform. I'm not a performer. I'm not you
know what I mean. I never did any of that.
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But then I you know, it's in time of my hands.
I couldn't play ball and all my friends were studying abroad,
so I like sort of auditioned. I have no background
in like the arts, and uh I got in so
I started doing improv. So that was like the first
taste of taste of it. Yeah. When as I was
preparing to chat with you today and just thinking about
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you know, as I described you to julianne Um And
for those of you who are not familiar with Aaron,
I think she's one of the best stand ups out there.
I think her, I think I describe you as a
joke surgeon, and and that a lot of a lot
of stand ups are really great writers, but not necessarily
as good performers. Or they're great performers, but they're not
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as like I feel like you're the whole package. You're
a great performer and you're a great writer. But I
was thinking about you. It's funny should say that, like
you are almost like an athlete in your prep for comedy.
That in that when we would tour on festivals together,
we would go out really late playing like dancing, but
you would be up in the morning at the on
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the like at the gym, doing the pre corps or whatever,
and then like you would like go to work with
discipline on your material like that you were never done
and you would work on your material in a way
that I didn't. I still don't see other comedians doing it.
And it's like an athlete. Do you think that that
accurately describes you? Or is it like sets you apart?
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Do you think it's your upbringing? Well, thank you for that.
That's the sweetest and you know, right back at you
because being on stage with it was a dream sequence. Um,
but I think, uh, preparation for me, And that's when
I also want to ask Julianne about her prep. I'm
obsessed with people's preparation. Um. To me, I am I.
I you know my mom was just her work ethic
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that she, you know, gave to us was amazing, like
we've and to me, you have to be a real nerd.
Like I love the dress. I've always loved to write.
So it's it always feels like it's never done. How
can I up it? How can I? But to me,
I have to write it out. I can't type it out.
I have like you know, I have maybe seven million
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of these composition notebooks. I have to write it out,
and I keep writing it out, and then I record everything.
I record literally every single set. I listened back, and
when I listen back, that's when I can revise and
revise and revise. Um. And you have to love that
process because I well, for me, that's why I can't
just wing it, you know what I mean. If I'm
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completely prepared on stage and I know where I'm going,
then when someone throws an onion rang at me, which
happened in Pory, Illinois, bounced off my shoulder. I'm sorry
about that. They didn't cook it enough. I'm sorry I didn't.
My arm has never been so I believe you through
and I need that. Um uh. But then you can
go with the flow. Then you feel confident going in. Okay,
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I'm on stage. I have a plan. These are my goals.
I'm gonna stake my new jokes in in with greatest hits. Um.
I have to every single set. I have to grow learned.
I can't. I literally cannot say that same set twice
the same way. I'll lose I'll lose my mind. Like
So that's why I just keep churning it out because
I I have to keep whatever I do, I have
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to keep getting better and tried stuff. I have a question.
My question is just this is just from outside the industry,
not really being part of I mean, you know, I
work with a lot of people in comedy, but I
don't really understand the stand up world. When you're a
stand up, a pure stand up, is your ambition to
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like be a stand up or is it too like
this is gonna sound terrible, you guys, you're not going
to like this question, But is it to be like
on SNL or is it to be like on TV?
Or is it because just purely as an artist to
be on the stage as a stand up And I
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liken it to being, say, a theater actor purely a
theater actor, or you get those theater actors who want
to be on TV and they want to do you
know what I mean. Yeah, there's an autistic element to it.
So I'm just really curious. Yeah, and i'd be curious. Well,
I'll jump in, but art and I really want to
hear what you have to say to For for me
and my experience, there was a real difference between New
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York and Los Angeles. And I'm not I'm not crapping
on L a stand up comedy world. What I mean
is in New York, growing up in New York, being
a stand up in New York City all and I'm
not saying this is this is well, I'm getting ahead
of myself in New York City learning how to do
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stand up and being in New York City for a
long time, all you thought about, at least I think
for the majority of people, all you thought about was
becoming a really good stand up. Right. It's such a
great if you want to be a good stand up
move to New York. It's such, it's the place to
do it. There's so many rooms. Um, it's revered, it's respected.
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Um you can you know, do as much as little
as you want. And that's all I really thought about.
You know, I was never an actor. I never wanted
to be an actor. Um. I I kind of fell
into it, you know. I was doing improv and then
it was at a stand up comedy Clay Club. So
I started doing stand up. But at some point you
realize like, oh, I I have no money, right, so
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how do I how do how do I figure this out?
So art and you probably did some of this in
New York. I started doing a lot of like voice
over work, some acting, but they just assumed because you're funny,
you want to act and you want it. And that
has really, um been very hard for me because I
never wanted to do any of this, and I really
sort of wish. I am envious a little bit that
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in l A a lot of stand up comics. Um there, Yeah,
they want to be actors, writers or whatever, so they're
they're doing stand up, which is totally totally fine, but
I'm getting like, now I'm so obsessed with my writing
were that I had wish I gotten started so much sooner.
But in l A, the stand ups were always writing
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during the dangering stand up at night, and that's what
I'm sort of envious of. Like I I love the
path that I did, but I just wish maybe I
could have started in this other world which I love
now so much. Um sooner. Is there a snobbery attached
to people who've got this purity of purpose and then
oh the people that go and do like the other
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things like TV. And because I mean, I can remember
when I was a THEIT director, the people that went
to TV we looked on as kind of like they
they went to TV. There's a real snobbery about like
your sell out, your sell out. That's the perfect way
of describing it. I don't I think maybe some people
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feel that way. But I mean, I love I love
stand up comedy. I mean I I but now that
I'm older, I'll always love to stand up comedy. I'll
always try to do it in some way or form.
But you it's really very hard to make a living
unless you are an actor, unless you're on television. And
the good thing about being on television is a stand up.
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As you find your people, people go oh, I like
that person. Usually men, but the few women that break through. Like,
the whole thing about stand up is you do it
long enough to find your people. Well, if you're not
on TV, it's very hard to find your people. So
it's this sort of it's it becomes a very hard lifestyle.
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So I'm decreasing my stand up because I can't stand
the lifestyle anymore, not because I don't love stand up
as much. Well, you and I chatted about that a
lot in the last few years. As you were you
intentionally made a decision to put more energy towards becoming
a writer, getting staff, selling a show like that, you know,
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for touring as a stand up. Unless you're super super
high up, it's it's you're gone a lot, and it's
it's just enough to sort of cover your bills. Like
it's it's hard and and if you get hurt or like,
it's hard to have any padding. You know, you live
and die by the t shirts yoursell, by the albums
you sell. After like and without it is like this
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catch twenty two that you need these other credits to
kind of help get the bigger things. And I think
as a woman, like as a woman, and do you
think you are ever pigeonholed because you are a gay
female comic. I mean, was that harder with touring or
getting booked into clubs? Two people treat you differently. I
don't know. I mean, I think the gay thing, honestly,
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it wasn't wasn't too huge of a factor because I'm
not performing in our terrible states. But the woman factor,
for sure, you know, the woman factor for sure. But
it's kind of crazy. It's like you work, your you
work for a really long time. Then you get on
the road and then I'm headlining. That's my goal. Like
I'm headlining all these clubs, theaters, whatever, and I'm barely
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making a living and I'm headlining and you're gone every weekend,
You're gone, You're you're missing everything. Yeah, I mean, it's
it's pretty awesome. It's like, oh my god, I did it.
I did it. I checked the box. I can go
anywhere in this country and make people laugh Like that
is great. Okay, I'm in debt one million dollars. You
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know that's insane. You're like, how can I be on
the top of my game? But like barely barely scraping by,
you know. And then I really was just feeling like,
oh my god, this travel and everything. And then I
met Liz Feldman, who of course did Dead to Me
and so many others, so many things. But we met
at a stand up in doing stand up in l A.
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And she was working on Two Broke Girls, and she
was like, Hey, come over, can you come over and
punch up um some scripts I'm working on? And I
was like, what is that? I mean, I had no idea.
I don't know that world. This was like maybe five
years ago. And I sat I'll never forget down. I
sat down in her kitchen and she was writing a
script and I was punching it up. I was like,
is this a job? Because this is this was like
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the best afternoon of my life. I was like, I'm laughing,
I'm writing, I'm doing basically stand up on the page.
And that to me just kind of changed the course
of everything. We're gonna stop right here, Um, we're going
to go to a quick at break and we're back.
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I also met Liz Feltman on Two Broke Goes. Oh
no way, wait, so so directing? Yeah, okay, can I
ask can I ask a directing question. Now can ask anything.
I am kind of obsessed with. Well, I have like
a bunch of questions. But the first one is when
I was on UM One Day at a Time, how
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there was a new director every two weeks or one week,
every episode was a new director. And I could not
get my head around that. Like, I was like, that's
got to be really hard for the director. And I
saw how it was hard for the actors too. You
get used to someone because we had a couple do
two weeks in a row. You know, one guy is
like energy out the out the wow zoo, and we're like, oh,
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that's cool, you know, and then the next person comes
in negative eight million, which was fine, but it was
just a different you know. So I was like, that
must be So I'm just kind of fascinated. How why
I just thought you'd have one director for the season. Yeah, well,
UM is one day at a time multicam or single
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tame multi multi um. Okay, so that too. Broke Hills
is my one and only multicam experience for many reasons anyway, UM,
but I would say it's still the same thing applies
for any any show. UM. There's always different directors, although
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it is getting more common for one director to do
like six episodes, but the workload to do that is phenomenal,
and usually the scripts aren't ready. So if you you know,
from one day at a time, you write them week
to week, you don't like write them all at the
front and then unless that's how it worked, well, we
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had yeah, we had written most of it before we
started shooting, but then you get to the table read
and it's a full script and then half of it's
like throw out of it. But a lot of it
was like oh wait, and so yeah, So you're constantly writing,
so if you're directing, you can't be prepping at the
same time. Um. And so when you're there's so much
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to do. I mean on multi cam, I think there's
less in terms of sets and everything, but certainly on
single camera, you know, whole scripts can be thrown out,
whole new locations can be needed to be found. There's
just a lot of prep. You can't possibly do that
when you're shooting. So that's why it's constantly changing. Um.
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But it is. It's a tough tough job episodic directing,
and I like to do it because I like to
join somebody else's party. I always feel like you learned
a lot. You learn a lot of new skills. I've
for example, I shot Pushing Daisies back in the day.
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That was a fun show. That was Christian Schadoworth. That
was that was Lee Pace and Christian Chadoworth. That was music.
Was there a musical? Was it a musical? No, it
was just it was very beautifully shot. Like Emily and
it was. Barry Son and Felt shot that pilot, and
so what you tend to do is you tend to
look at the pilot and dissect it as a director,
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so you'll and that was shot really interestingly in it
used a lot of wide lenses close to the actor's
faces so that they couldn't look Sorry, it's very technical, No,
I'm okay. So imagine that you're an actor and the
camera is how how far it's like less than a
foot away from your face, and then for eyelines they
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would use like tiny little stick on figures on the
map box for the other people that the actors were
talking to. And um, that's a very specific Barry Soon
and Feld style of directing. But I learned that doing
that doing an episode of that All. For example, Castle Rock,
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I shot Castle Rock. I've never shot horror before, so
I had to teach myself how to shoot horror for
that episode. And so I think you're always expanding your
skill set. You're always expanding the number of people that
you meet, your expanding the actors that you work with. UM.
But a lot of directors who are predominantly pilot directors,
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which means you do the first episode of a season
and everybody kind of copies that. A lot of those
uh directors don't do episodic, so it's like, oh, I'm
not going to do episodic. Do you ever feel unwelcome?
Like when you come in and a cast it's like
we don't know you, Like, like, how do you deal
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with that? It's part of shop It's part of shopping
up your skills as well. You have to be able
to hopefully, uh, you know, get people to work with you. UM.
I haven't had that particular experience, but I have had
it with Cruise. So I haven't had the experience of
the cast saying we don't want to work with you,
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but I have had it on a couple of occasions
with Cruise, and that's brutal. Wait, So the so like
you're because you come in alone. You you don't have
knowing your assistant or anything like. You You're just you're
it's just you stepping onto a crew that is already work.
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Here's your DP, this is your deep this is your
camera person, this is your sound head. Nobody you don't
know nobody, Nobody is on your team. They're all on
the they're all on the show. That it's all fully bonded.
The actors are fully bonded. And if you if you
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put a foot out of place, you you can, like
the crew can turn. And I mean, I'm very lucky
that I've been doing this twenty years and it's only
happened like twice, but I really remember that, and it's
usually gone back to the DP. UM. The DP doesn't
take to you, doesn't like what you're asking them to do,
(23:39):
or doesn't think that what you're doing is in the
style of the show, and then they can um they
can turn the crew and it's it's al this like,
how do you ever read Mallorie Towers when you were young?
Did you ever read in a blatant Mallory Towers? Or
it's that just an English thing? It was set in
a boarding school, any know? That that sounds fun. And
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they had this thing where they would send girls to Coventry.
It's called being sent to Coventry. Have you ever heard
of that? No, but I'm writing this down. WHOA. And
so basically, in this boarding school context, one girl would
have put a foot out place and all the other
girls would refuse to speak to her. That's being sent
to Coventry. So I would always think, Gosh, I'm being
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sent to Coventry. This is like five shows in Erie,
Pennsylvania that started at six thirty, and I was working
with two dudes and one dude was the MC. Then
he got off stage, sat in the front row with
his wife or a girlfriend and talk the whole time. No,
that sounds like Coventry? Is that true? Did that have? Yeah?
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Also six thirty six thirty Eerie, Pennsylvania. It was a nightmare.
I'll never forget doing Howard Hughes's show. And there's a guy.
There's a man named Howard Hughes, not not no relation
to the real Howard Hughes, who ran a stand up
club in ten be Or Scottsdale. Stand up scott Dale.
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But I remember I did. I did a New Year's
set and a girl that hated me from high school
showed up. She should have. I think it was a
five pm show and she sat there and she counted
the people in the audit. She's like one town. She's like, oh,
only seven people are there. Yeah, because it's five pm.
Like if you came to the ten o'clock show or
(25:24):
the midnight show, Like I think I did four shows
in one night with Howard Hereson, Oh my god, probably
would blow all over his space. That dude was a monster.
Are you gonna get sued for that? Uh No, I
think he's I don't even know if he's alive. I really,
I mean he's probably buried somewhere in Scottsdale. And he
(25:44):
wasn't He was a rascal. But it was definitely it
was like, cut a lady a break. It's five stand
up show, it's still light out, and you can't say
this is gonna be the best show ever. Um, Aaron,
Can I ask you a question about And I don't
mean to go all over the place. I was so
woud by your album by Deep Dive, And what I
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think you do really well is I think you can
appeal to anybody in the crowd, Like I said, But
but you're not. But without being bland or like you
are able to I feel like to appeal to the gals,
appeal to straight dudes, appealed to like, you know, a
gay audience, and talk politics in a way that's not
off putting, Like I just feel that you have integrity
(26:30):
behind who you are. That's also a very welcoming experience,
which is not an easy needle to thread. And just
for an example about a political thing, you had to
and it was just like and again there's so many
billy laughs in this album, but it was just like
not where I saw the punchline going of like and
it was just like a sort of friendly, not not
(26:51):
aggressive way to have a political joke. But you were
describing Mike Pence and you were just I mean Mike
pens and I don't want to get this wrong, but
base of like of being if you go into a
thrift store, wait do you mind is telling a little bit?
This is out of cot. It was just like it's
just your brain was so specific. You go into the
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thrift store and you go like through various rooms and
you get to the last room. It's like you know
when you're I think this is it because I just,
you know, unfortunately to stare at that awful face for
way too long, and so I just was like, who,
how does he remind me of? He's so off putting
in every way. So it's like it's like when you're
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in a thrift store and you're just kind of wandering
around the thrift store, but also when you go down
like an aisle that's like empty, you know, but there's
just one porcelain doll on the shelf and you're like like,
that's like, oh my god. It was just like that's
(27:54):
like pets. He's like the porcelain doll in the back room,
and it does see like is there a another room?
There is one more room and there's a shelf, And
as a Portland adult, that's my gos. There's something that
was just so like I think your brain. I mean,
even you're talking about like how you love sports, but
(28:15):
how the NFL is not geared towards women. And then
the ads, the ads, I mean the ads like likes.
I'm sorry, I don't mean you guys should all just
buy her, you should buy her album, but like the
care and the precision and you are you. I feel
that so many people could come listen to you and
(28:36):
enjoy it, Like I can see the effort and the
joke surgeon quality that you put in. Um, I just
I just hold you in such high regard. Well, that's
that's what I ask you a questioner along those lines
of the joke surgeon quality? Do you believe that anybody
(28:58):
can be funny? No? Do you believe that you could
teach somebody how to tell a joke? Well, how to
make a joke? For sure? You really? For sure? Could
you teach me? Yeah? Because you just come on? Then
will you teach Julianne how to write a joke? Yeah?
Because yeah, I'll give you an example. Um, probably, I
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don't know, once or twice a year, I will Um,
my friend Matthew is a teacher UM in Los Angeles,
and they're probably like he probably is like fifth graders
and sixth graders. So this time I had a zoom,
But I'll zoom twice a week. I'll pick he'll pick
a period and we do jokes, and UM, I usually
(29:43):
go into school. But obviously with the pandemic and these
kids are barely trying, and they're there, I'm laughing, hilarious,
Like there there's there's a couple of students where I'm
literally crying. I'm like, oh my god, or they're really
pushing the envelope in their tent and I'm like, oh
my god. You know, and I always say, start with
the story. I think I think anyone could be for
(30:05):
sure be taught to write a joke or a couple
of jokes, because you you've got to take the pressure
off yourself of thinking of a one line or or
being clever. Everybody has a funny story. You just start
with a story, a couple of minutes of a story,
and then you just kind of get the fat to,
you know, get the fat off, get the fat off,
and then boom, you'll have really not how you do
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it well? You know. For me, sometimes I'll see something
and I'll write it down, you know, but my my
stuff is longer. Do you think Mike Pens could write
a joke like he could? I mean I would throw
up while he was delivering it. But I know, I
do think. I do think if you, if you put yourself,
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if you want to and you feel and if I
asked anyone every if you if I go okay, in
one week, just just open your eyes a little bit more.
You know, just lean into conversations and just write down
a couple of things that you thought were funny. I mean,
all you have to do is pay more attention. It's
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all it is. It's like when you if you focus
on you know, stand up comedians have like we're on
high alert. You know what I mean, you're oh my god,
that was you know, you write it down. You know.
But if if you just put someone on high alert
for a week, I guarantee they'll come back with a
treasure trove of material. But they just don't know it.
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It's a joke. They don't they don't process it like that. Okay,
that's great, We're gonna stop right here, We're gonna go
to a quick at break. We're back. I know that
Julianne was curious about the difference for you between nothing
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going into like what it's been like for you now
being on staff and on one day at a time. Yeah.
I think once I had I I started punching up
Feldos scripts and UM then started punshing up people's pilots,
and then Arden was a big influence. UM she had
(32:13):
a writer's group and I was like, I need to
know how this all works. I'd go over her place
on Mondays and that, and we'd all bring in pages
that was instrumental. And because I knew the stand up world,
I didn't know the writing world at all. I just
knew when I started really diving into it that I
absolutely loved it because I feel like I'd been writing
stuff throughout the you know, last ten twenty years, but
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like you know, I didn't know what it was or
it was just for a piece for this magazine or something,
you know what I mean. So I just loved it
because I love people. I love working with people. I
love coworkers. I didn't realize like I'd been in and
out of rooms and stuff, but one day at the
time was my first like full staffing job, and within
(32:56):
like two days I came home to Sarah and I was,
I have to do this for the rest of my life.
This does not feel like a job. It was challenging.
Writing is difficult, but to me, being around a table
my team because in my sports I love meeting people.
I'll talk to a stranger for an hour and a
half and then you're joking around character. I mean, I
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was literally I was obsessed. I loved I just loved it,
and I felt like this is I felt like stand
up I was sort of born. I was born to
do that, except it's it's a difficult, like life around it.
And to me, the writing world feels like, oh, this
is the life around it is completely doable, and the
day to day feels um so creative and wonderful. I
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wouldn't want to have you, Like you're fun to have around.
You're a hard worker, you're talented, like, you're a good
laugh like and you're not going to just roll over
like well that's good enough, Like you have a pursuit
of excellence, like I think, like, who wouldn't want to
hire you? Well, the phone should hopefully be ringing off
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the hook after this podcast before we go, I know,
Julianne had a couple of questions about you living in
a retirement community. The pandemic in Florida and Naples, Florida
was Naples, Florida, People's Florida. Yep, that was it? Really?
How did that come to be and how it was?
It was? It was? It was pretty fantastic. It was
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just one of those things where, um, I couldn't believe
it happened, but um, the long and short of of
it was Sarah, my partner moved from New York City
to l A February one, and we had a good
run for about thirty days, and then what happened? What happened?
Did something happen? And I might have caused the pandemic
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because I was writing for one day at a time.
We were a house sitting. I actually moved out of
my apartment because we were going to get an apartment together.
We put our stuff in storage. We're house sitting so
we could figure out, Okay, what neighbor do we want
to live? Than to have this new experience, I'd write it,
you know, Sony. It was in Culver City, I'd write it.
Sony was a five minute commute to come back to Sarah.
She was like making dinner and I said out loud,
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I've never been this happy than the pandemic. So I
might have caused the pandemic. But so our stuff was
in storage. You know, I lost my job. I was like, okay, well, seriously,
there's no work like stand up was where am I going?
There's no stand up like? Anyway, So our friends came
(35:31):
back and then unfortunately my dad passed away. But it
wasn't COVID like he had been sick for a long time.
So we're like, okay, let's pack up. And so I
spent the month of mayor June with my mom and
my sister and then we're going to come back to
l A. And that's when COVID kind of completely exploded,
which we thought was the end. And Sarah's like, my
mom is an empty condo in a retirement in Florida,
(35:54):
and we're like all right, and we just we just
kept going. We were already in Texas. Did you do
like the group activities? Did you do like water aerobics?
I guess it was COVID. No, it was COVID. But
the craziest thing is we were only planning to be
there for a month. We stayed for seven months. It
was it was life. It was kind of life changing
because we nobody knew what a lesbian was. I'm not
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even kidding. It was we kept getting asked are we sisters?
And I go, no, we're partners. I was like, oh
my god, that's my worst nightmare. Were partners. And this
guy goes, I don't even know what you mean, and
we're you know what I mean? Like, and then he
became like honest, to God, like he felt like a
father figure by the end, like it was just this
crazy mix of like trumpers and the two random lesbos
(36:43):
and they loved you and they all started to love
you and it was all it was. It was pretty awesome.
I have to say, that's crazy. What what a what
a world? And what a year? Yeah, I was doing
stand up from her mom's walk in closet. I did
the first three like yes September, October, November of my
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Gaze Rust Show, and I'd be like, hey, everybody, happy
Gaze Rust Show. I'm in a closet again. Here, I'm
back in the closet. But yeah, I was literally doing
doing sandum comedy from her closet, from her mother's Wow.
I'm gonna just ask one question that we've been asking
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almost all of the guests, and the question is what
advice would you give you a twenty year old self.
It's that's that's a good question. It's it's hard because
you want to immediately tell your twenty year old self
to to do a whole bunch of things differently so
you can, you know, kind of navigate the hard stuff.
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But at the same point, all the hardships along the
way make you who you are. I guess I would say, hey,
you're gay. Let's just get that out of the way. Um,
stop randomly hooking up with dudes going um, why was
there no second date? When you start talking about football
the entire time? Um. And I would probably say if
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I could tell myself to keep going with stand up,
but but get into the writing world quicker, I would
say that. And then my last piece of advice I
would probably say. I would probably say, spend more time
with your parents. Oh, now I feel terrible. I was
(38:37):
going to call my mom this morning and I didn't
call her tomorrow. Call her tomorrow. It's too late. She's
in England. Call her tomorrow. I have to. Oh, that's
good advice, I will say, Aaron, and you know my
journey on grief island. But I'll tell you when my
dad died, Like, I remember being aware that I didn't
(38:58):
give my mom grandchild her in and then I didn't
live near her because she loved she loved kids and
she wanted lots, and I was like, I didn't give
that to her. But I thought the one thing I
could do, because she was so fun, I'm going to
tear up the one thing I could do because she
was so fun, was like I could give her fun,
like I could give her experiences, and like I intentionally
I was like, I'm just gonna treat her like she's
(39:19):
my twenty five year old friend. And just like I
remember I brought her to a drag show. Oh you
were always doing such fun stuff. But it was just
like that I'm not in the same time I wasn't
in the same time zone as her, but so that
I just made sure that when I was like, because
I think when you get older, you start to get invisible,
like she was so alive, you know, and so it's
just like I remember, I intentionally was like I'm going
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to treat her like she's young and fun and vital
and include her and things that the rest of society
might not include her in. And so like I will
say when she did die, like I know that that
like for anybody listening, bring your mom somewhere fun. Just
go to bring her like somewhere that you would bring
your he is in your pals, like like it's fun.
(40:02):
We I brought her to a that I brought her
to the lipstick lounge. We did karaoke and nash Asian bar.
But like that that was it is like it doesn't
have to be lots and lots of time, but it
can be like a fun experience. Yeah, you gotta work
with what you have. Like Mary Folly, I can't bring
to a lipstick lesbo bar, but I do now call
her every day and she's so quirky and there's always,
(40:26):
of course something wrong. So she answers the phone and
I go, what's wrong? Like that's like every day I go,
what's wrong, mom, and she just starts laughing. She's like,
well my actually, and then she'll touch down me. You
must be the apple of her eye. Well, I just
love to teaser. I mean she you know, I've lost
everything and she found everything I've ever lost. She drove
(40:47):
me to every single practice she's I mean, you know,
I don't know how she did it. So I have
to call her forever. And you watched The Bachelor with her?
Yea By sucked her in to the bet. Mary Folly, Well, Aaron,
you're just such an inspiration. I think sky's the limit
(41:08):
for you. I think you're right on time and all
those years of you being a headlining stand up, like
I think you'll sell your own show and folly late Bloomer. Um, well,
let me just say this. Uh Now, Julianne, I've I've
done a lot of Uh. I always say deep dive.
That's why I named the album. Uh I. I googled
(41:30):
you aggressively in a respectful way that sounded weird. Um,
and now I am president of your fan club. I
was like, oh, my god, you did that and that
it's so cool, Like I I feel like I have
eighteen more questions, but just the fact that you are
directing and producing and you're my god, You're all over
the place. I'm so I was so impressed because any
(41:52):
any woman like your projects you choose to do and
stuff or just at the questions, Well, we can trim
it down as ask whatever question you want to ask.
I just want to ask, like how you go how
you pick your problem? Like do you have an overall
life mission statement? Do you have a bucket list? Do
people come to you? Like, how do you connect with
(42:12):
with these with these projects and these shows. It's just
a complete fluke most of the time. UM. I tend
to like, I love to do work with people that
have worked before. Definitely the it's my preference so really
over the past ten years. I would say that most
(42:34):
of the episodes that I've done, people that I like
a phone me up and said, hey, I'm doing this thing.
Do you want to come and do it? And I go, yeah,
you know, so that's that sounds weird, and that includes Bridgetin.
By the way, That's exactly what happened with Bridgetin. Betsy
called me from Shonda Land and said, Hey, we're doing
(42:55):
this thing. Do you want to do? You want to do?
You want to come and do it? It was basicly it. Um,
that's in terms of the directing. But you know, um,
I'm like, I have a I'm very interested in a
lot of different things. I have like endless curiosity, and
I love to do something that I've never done before.
(43:16):
So I'd always wanted to do a period drama. Came
very close a few years ago and I for some reason,
I couldn't do it then. So this was like whoa
period drama? But like equally, oh, horror, Like when I
did a horror I was. I loved it. It's so
much Maxie with the camera, um, so much storytelling with
(43:38):
the camera. So I had a new passion, you know.
And then comedy. I've always loved to do comedy when
I first came over. And you know, the great thing
about comedy you were talking about lifestyle, you know, touring
versus being at home and U the thing about comedy
is there's ABC, CBS, Warner Brothers, and NBC all within
(44:02):
fifteen minutes of my home. So when the kids were young,
it made a lot of sense. I would drive, shoot,
come back home, see the kids. That it's just a
that's a whole lifestyle choice in addition to being very
challenging and fun. So I know that's probably not the
most satisfying answer, but it's definitely the most truthful. No,
(44:26):
I mean, that's I I often want to know. And
the cool thing is when you started talking about directing
your whole body language change and you got like really
into it. And that's the best thing. When people get
like talk about what they do and as an infectious
quality as as as ardent, Like Arden could talk about
like a caterpillar and then everybody's like, let's get a caterpillar.
(44:49):
She has like you know what I mean. I love
people that love what they do, So that's that's super awesome. Yeah, well,
I know I think people want people to be um Oh,
they want you to have a plan or they want
you to have a vision. Um, but I haven't. My
(45:09):
life hasn't gone that way. I think there's a lot
of people that have. But for me, you know, being
a mom has been equally as important as having this career.
And it's only now that I'm feeling like I'm able
to make other choices, you know, as my kids get
older and they could handle me being away from home more.
(45:30):
And it's not just them being able to handle it,
because they could probably always handle it. It's me feeling
like I can emotionally be away from home more. It's
that's also that's cool for me to just kind of
spread my wings and go and do things and far
away lands. Mom's like bouncing motherhood in a career. It's
(45:51):
super human. It's like super I mean, I don't know.
I feel exhausted and it's just me. It's just and
I'm like, man, how did I think it? Defined? Like
I can't, I can't imagine, but that that is state.
My husband is a stay at home dadb We love Rob.
(46:14):
That helps three cheers to Rob a Rob. And he's handy.
Rob can built things. He's so sweet. We love Rob.
Everybody needs to Rob Rob Jesus, I don't know what.
I literally follow Sarah around the house and I'm like,
what are you doing? What are you doing now? She's like,
please get away from me, Please just give me some space.
(46:34):
I just I don't know what I do without her,
oh Man, traumentic. Well, ladies, I feel like I really
felt like I had wonderful chats today with my favorite women,
like and go see You, Go see Arden anywhere doing
literally anything. This woman is the most entertaining person. And
(46:58):
let me just say, it's not like she's make on
the camera or on the stage. She is so real
and so fun and quirky, and she's just I mean,
I think about I literally think about the choices I
made in stand up and writing, and you were like
at the epicenter of all of them. So you are.
You are a rock star art and thank you so much.
(47:19):
You've you and Lisa is here earlier really taught me
to trust in what was unique about me and that
that was enough, and that what particularly in stand up
where I've always doubted myself, but that I the moment
where I've actually really enjoyed it was when you guys
just encouraged me just to not fight who I was
(47:40):
and just beyond like the most authentic. That's it. That's it.
If you're having fun. It's a simple as sentence. If
you're having fun, they're having fun. And I always think
about that because then I get in my head and
I go, oh, that word needs to be removed, and
then I need to put that joke there, and then
I'm like, oh my god, I'm a monster. But if
I just go, what's gonna be fun? You know what
I mean? If you can just get to that headspace
(48:02):
before you go on or before you go in the
room or wherever you are, and go, if I'm having fun,
they're having fun. If I'm having fun there well, and
to that end, I cannot recommend enough. If you guys
want to hear a comedy album, I look, I don't
know what took me so long. I don't know why
I just bought it, but I just bought it and
listened to during two days ago. What comedian wants to watch?
(48:25):
But I wanted to prepare for you and I was
howling it is the best ten dollars you're gonna spend on.
I I cannot recommend it enough. It is so funny,
and I thought, I actually thought I should buy all
my other friends albums like It's a hard Time. It
felt so good. It was so therapy, like the amount
of money I've spent on real therapy. If I could
(48:46):
spend ten dollars on somebody's album or fourteen dollars or whatever,
like I was dying, I'm gonna listen to it again.
It was so funny. If you want to see somebody
in their prime doing what they're good at and you
have a need a release, and you're going for a walk,
it is hot, hilarious. Thank you, So keep Where can
(49:06):
people find you? Miss fully? Um? Yeah inside, you know,
for the next seven years. I hope we see the
light of days and and your your girlfriend's mom's closet. Yes,
now now where I'm back out of the closet. You
can find me on some pickleball courts and the greater
Burbank area. Um or I'm still doing um um. You know.
(49:27):
I try to do is three or four stand up
shows a month, and those are always surprisingly a good time,
So I just listen them on Erin k Foley dot com, uh, Instagram, Twitter.
I'm not the I'm not the greatest on social media.
But I tried um but anyway, yeah, well you are
the best And if you want to contact us, you
can email us at Lady Road Podcast at gmail dot com.
(49:49):
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(50:11):
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