"Ambition" (w/ Reese Witherspoon)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look, may oh, I see you my own look over
there is that culture. Yes, lost culture data, Lost culture
raised us calling. I don't know that I've been more excited.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
And this is the thing we're already getting along. I'd
say gangbusters with our guests love. I can't believe she's
here either. It's like staring at the sun. I can't
it's hello Sunshine. I can't look at the guests.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I want to say, hello Sunshine is our front runner
for title event. But we can't do that. We're gonna
find it. Do you remember yesterday when we were talking
about iconic line reads of our guests. Yes, but that's
every day on most days. So on the red carpet
at the Culture Awards, someone asked us, like, what's an
iconic line from cinema history that like jumps out right now?

(00:50):
Who is was it? Mark Malkin then asked that no,
it was Vulture. It was Vulture And I go, what,
Like it's hard.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
But and yesterday I said to you, this is what
pings and palms in my brain. First any time I
opened mail, anytime I opened mail, this is what you ready?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
This? This is it? Bruiser? What's this? Bruiser what's this?
What's this? But anytime I open an envelope, I'm telling
you the reason I bring it up is because I
actually know what it is. Okay, this was maybe the
culture that made me say culture was, which is a
big statement on this podcast, that being the central question.

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Pleasant Phil Oh, our guest. First scene, she's on the
phone talking or her friend and she's talking about what
out she's gonna wear for a date. And she's discussing
wearing one particular thing and she goes, it's not slutty.
She looks in the mirror and she goes, it's fun.
And I saw myself. You just channeled. You just channeled

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the muse. I channeled constantly. I'm always channeling our guests constantly.
It's true.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Our favorite show is back. My favorite show is back.
Thank the Lord. We got the screeners. We watched episode
one and then Matt Rogers steps way and goes, how
many how.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Many did they send? I just asked off, I.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Said, the whole season. I've never seen you happier. I
think I did a backflip. I think I did a
Tom Daily Officer board gymnastically moved the furniture in the
hotel room that we were saying, that is the.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Thing I do when I get nervous. I moved furniture.
Furniture was I was rear. I was interior designing the hotel.
The Hotel.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Morning Show Season four is now out now that this
episode is out September seventeenth, the same day as the
new incredible season of The Morning Show.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's giving everything you've wanted it to give. And I
have so many questions for our guests about the rip
from the headlines nature of it, because they can't possibly
have guessed some one thing that happened in season three
that then happened in life. But suffice it to say
that our guest today is an Oscar winning actress, an

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Emmy winning producer, a bonafide pop culture icon on the
list of the Iconic four hundred twice as herself and
as a character, which that doesn't really happen. You know,
this is such a great moment I lost culture history
because our guest is.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
We love you so nice, I'm so excited to be
You're so happy to be here.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh wait, no, this is so this was the moment
where the wheels started turning about this moment happening. Yes,
there's two means ago or one emy ago.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
I think that I like b lined for you in
an awards show and I was like, going, when am
I on your podcast?

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Like how did you even do it? Without me exactly?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
But the way you approached me? Do you do you
remember what your initial line was? It was the most
race thing and I immediately texted this one. Afterwards we
go in for a hug. You whisper in my ear, well,
hello miss culture resta.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I died because that was too much. That was the
moment I knew the podcast I'd gotten at.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Telling love.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
He did? I think you face? You were like shaking,
who is it? I was like, don't tell me it
was Reese?

Speaker 5 (04:09):
No, Like it was like you had a party, need
to invite me? It was so rude. He's so happy.
It only took like fourteen publicists later, and were you
two short years and eighteen hundred emails?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
That does?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
It really does feel.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Like they really slow the wheels of progress?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Well people, Yeah, I know because you did. Because the
biggest gug was you were like dm me and I
was like, I guess you could just dm R.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
You can well.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Not ever not everyone.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, that show at that moment event yes again, and
he was so sweet.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
My son is the cutest. I told him I was
coming on your podcast. He goes, come on, come on,
that me so fun.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
He goes, tell me what the building looks like, and
what the studio looks like.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Really into buildings and studios in studio.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
He's now he's into you guys have pop culture. And
he loves the way that you said plice of their
taste makers. Of course you love that.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Oh oh my gosh, that is too. I mean, well,
just to talk about that, I will say, you know,
in thinking about like this episode with you, I really
can go back to one of them. I think first,
really formative memories I have of going to the movies
with my mom and my sister. We sat down I

(05:28):
remember where we sat in the theater. It was like
on Patchog, like on Long Island, and we went to
go see Legally Blonde. And it was one of those
things where I'm sure you have this like you see
the movie once and you know every line, like it's
just one of those things.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Those kind of movies just are sticky.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, sticky. Yeah. Did you you're playing Eltwood's like you're
doing this character, You're on set, you know that everyone
there is great, but are you thinking, like what are
you thinking doing it? Like, like is this okay?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Well, let me get my timeish because it was twenty
five years.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Ago, and that also has to be kind of sreal.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
It was so surreal. Well, it was a new mom.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
I had a little baby, my daughter on set, and
I just remember I took comedy really seriously, like it
was not a joke. I had studied Goldie Hawn like
my life depended on it for that role, and I
studied her in private Benjamin, and then I studied comedy

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like you would try and cure a rare disease.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
It was so important to me.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I watched SNL religiously, so for me creating a character
like I had just done it the year before with
maybe two years before, with Tracy Flick, it was really
important to me that she had a very particular way
she talked, a very particular way she walked. My early
career was a lot about building characters. It didn't have
a lot of self awareness.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
They just were like a.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Bullet through the world, you know, determined to make their
mark and determined to reach that goal.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
So that's what it was like.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
And we had our I think twentieth year reunion of
Legally Blonde, and all the lovely cast members were there
and we all got in a zoom from Jennifer Coolidge,
Blake Wilson, and Selma Blair and they were all like
it was like kind.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Of fun, but it's hard to remember because it was
like a job at the time.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Really serious, Like I was a very very very serious
young person.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
You have to be.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I mean, I mean it all translates to the final project,
but like this is why like people come to us
and now, as you know, and like you expect it
to be like riffing and like everyone's just improvising and
just the chemistry is off the charts. We're there to
like turn the page and read the script and like
hit our marks. It's technical and also.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
In your brain, aren't you thinking? I got to think
of something that no one else is thinking of totally?
So my thing was always how can I be contrary?

Speaker 5 (07:49):
How can I play this? How no one else would
play this?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Totally?

Speaker 5 (07:52):
Because that's what.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
I'm here to be original, not be basic. And there
were one hundred ways to play Elwoods, So I was
like saying it done it not doing that. Of course,
So if you thought she was going to be bitchy
or spoiled rotten, now she had a really soft center.
If you thought she was going to be dumb or
say the wrong thing, she was going to say it
laser sharp and really crisp words and say it with daggers.

(08:17):
So I was always trying to startle people with the switch, right,
you know.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
But it's interesting that you bring up Tracy in the
context of Tracy and al and that early stuff. Like
I would say, there's a common thread there where it's
like underestimation. People under estimate them, and like what is
what is that relationship to ambition?

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Like does one breath the other? Do you need the
other thing for it to happen?

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, well, I think ambition threads through all my characters
because I don't know.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
I just wasn't here to do average, And I.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Feel like a lot of people can relate to that.
I wanted to be. It's not like I want to
be the best. I wanted to be original. I want
to be wholly original in this world. I want to
make them laugh harder. I wanted them to cry. I
wanted them to think they understood the smartest girl in school.
She was actually a little broken inside. It's beautiful, you know.

(09:14):
I actually modeled Tracy on a girl I went to
high school with, and I didn't know a lot about
her personal life, but it was really important to me
as Alexander Payne and I were building a character, I
was like, she needs to have a moment with her
mother where you realized her mom's a single mom and
she like curls her her every day and she's living
out in her mother's broken dreams.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Right.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
And there's one scene, but it cracks the whole thing
for you, like I can't make fun of this person.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Sure, you're right, but you and alex built that together,
like that scene.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh yes, he yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
I mean he's incredible about understanding the day to day lives,
the satire of living in Middle America but also having
big dreams. But maybe your dreams are just to go
to Northwestern, right, you know, or like run for city council.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
It is.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I have read the sequel, yes, so, because I'm a
huge election fan. Like in fact, we ran into Matthew
Broderick actually at SNL fifty and we ended up seeing
him twice and both times I said, I just watched election.
He's like you told me. I was like, it's true,
I did, because I frequently returned to it and I

(10:27):
watched it again after I read the novel. Is that
in play right now? Is there is that? Is not
something that's like, where is that on the list? In
terms of well, well, yeah, I don't want to say
too much, but there was a.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Full up novel we're seeing about making a movie.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Because it goes in a really interesting direction I think
for people that care about that character, and it ends
dark and it's it's, it's it's I'm really interested to
see how it keeps going, because yeah, it's also a
comment on the fact that when you're someone that super ambitious,
one of the things that can happen is you don't

(11:04):
meet that ambition and you then that is a really
sad thing. And I think one of the.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Smallest thing can derail you.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Oh yes, and she gets derailed by something, Yes, but
you can't stop the internal monster.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
No, she couldn't help she can't help herself. And so
basically one of the things I think is the most
heartbreaking about the first film, I'm already talking about it
as if it's true. I guess I'm Manifestation, which is
the the sudden after she's lost, the cut to just
how heartbroken and devastated that she is. And I think

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that's when you realize how much work you've done. And
it's interesting to look back that she's sort of an
antagonist of the movie because she's antagonizing Matthew Broderick. But
when you look at it now, when you think back
and you look at how heartbroken she was and what
she went through going up to that, it feels really
right for revisiting.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
I think so too.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, there was a whole The New York Times I
think it was Ao Scott or something about ten years
ago went back and watched it again and.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yeah, this is like a high school girl, Yeah, groomed
manipulated by her science teacher.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
That's not what I remember that movie.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
And that his peer got mad at her.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
You like, yeah, And Matthew Broderick's character, mister McAllister, was
actually complicit. His friend groomed a teenager, you mad at
her and just decided to destroy her.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
And then she got a smoothie thrown at her at
the end. God damn it. D d Z.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
That first shot of Tracy they're shooting at her hand
is like iconic cident.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
It's lasting. That's a that's a good shot. Do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (12:49):
No, I don't know what shot you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Like when you first see shoot up like oh and
on your face being like a little distorted.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, it's like it's meant to humiliate.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
This And do you know what the question is? Who
knows the difference between ethics and morals?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Love it? Wow?

Speaker 5 (13:07):
The journey?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
I love it. No, it's an amazing script. It is incredible,
and you're a part of so many of those. The
impact that you had not the beginning of your career,
but after it had been going for five six years,
it felt like you had like these not even just
like successes in pop culture, but also like critical hits.

(13:32):
So it's like there's Pleasantville, which I think is so
many people's favorite movie, it's one of mine. And there's
obviously Legally Blonde. There's cruel intentions. So I would imagine
that like, as you're going forward in your career, does
your team like at that point, are they just like,
let's just keep you busy? Or are you when you
look back at that point, are you were you always

(13:53):
someone who was like trying to pick and choose what
the next movie.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
It was always very strategic and it was me and
my manager, Evelyin O'Neill, and that was it was just turnying.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
And then what was the planning, Like, what was the
initial conversation behind let's do let's do this Hello Sunshine thing.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Let's actually that is the taste.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Okay, that was a different iteration of my life.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
So Evelyn and I that was my early career, and
then I decided to kind of go my own way
when I was thirty four and the business had shifted
a lot, so I don't want to get into the
nitty gritty with the DVD business left, right, and so
all the development of films about women were kind of
the mid range budget and that's where it just went away.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
So they weren't developing things for women.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
So I thought, Okay, if I don't take this moment
to start developing for myself and for my friends, right,
incredible shame on me. First of all, I'm being so
successful and then not doing something about the lack of
storytelling for women. So it was a moment where I
had to meet the moment, and I was really scared

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because also truthfully, that ambition thing is not always appealing
to everybody, you know, of course not.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, that's why a lot of I think the characters
are people blanchet them at first, they learned to love
them because they learned to understand them. And but you're right,
it is well.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
And it's like for all our ambitious listeners out there,
sometimes you rub people the wrong way, and people know that.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Every ambitious friend of yours knows. It's irritating to feel that, like,
come on, let's do more. Let's do this, and we
can do it, and let's throw the homecoming all together,
and then let's do the class project.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
I'll take over everything. It's an annoying character trait.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Then what's the way out? Like the way out for me?

Speaker 4 (15:37):
And it was learning to not be embarrassed of it,
making peace with it, and going, I know, I work harder.
It's just how I'm made up and it's not my fault.
And how can I use that to harness more people
and rope them into things that I think will be
but official for them instead of just serving my own agenda,

(15:59):
which was making my own career. I thought when Hell
Sunshine began, I was like Oh my god, this is
my opportunity to widen the net, bring people into a
family of storytellers. And that's when my whole life changed.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, I mean truly, I think that there was like
it did feel like there was this like incredible second
phase for you, which started with producing Gone Girl and
then being in Wild. And I've always wanted to ask
you about Gone Girl because that was the Was that
the first big title that you had produced or yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
That was the first book I ever optioned as.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
What racer jackpot that is?

Speaker 4 (16:33):
It was crazy. We read it in galleys, we read Wild.
I read Wild and Gone Girl in Galley's. My producing
partner was Bruno pop Andrea, and we were like, these
books are amazing. Yeah, I had no idea they were
going to be within six months. They were number one,
sitting next to each other on the New York Times
for months and months and months, and I was.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Like, the book, Yeah, shitn't that's this up?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think that was the perfect one to puntry you.
For one to not be a van project and for
one to be a vehicle for you. Does that make
sense that because that is what I think you innovated
and established. John it's like, I'm going to be a woman, actor, actress, whatever,
and I'm going to start my own production company and
it will be holistic in that way. I think it

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could have gone. It might not have been sticky if
we're going to use that word like that's it just
not would not have stuck if it had been one thing.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
I agree, And they were both substantive, right, They were
about what we perceive women as, how they subvert that.
Gone Girl is the ultimate like mind and Fincher just
killed it, and Pike is so diabolical, and Ben Affleck
is sort of the.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
The rube on the other side of.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
It, supporting cast to Harry Coon, I mean, don't forget,
and also our friend Kasey Wilson, like that was one
of those.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Neil Patrick Harris.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Oh, again against type and playing with a lot of
against type stuff. And I did want to ask you
about that particular role though, because I had read I
think a lot of people that you know, follow this
stuff that you had been attached to do Gone Girl,
And then after a conversation with David, you guys decided
that maybe the audience would have had a gauge on

(18:17):
you already or like what was that conversation. How did
you feel about it at the time.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Well, yes, I had optioned it to star in it,
and I was supposed to star in it.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
There'd be a whole chapter of.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
A book one day about Gone Girl because that started
my producing career. But it also told me, hey, nobody's
happy for you to have this producing career. Nobody wants
to hear wow. And David sat me down and this
is not on David. But David's like, you're totally wrong
for this part and I'm not putting you in it.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
So that was at first had and you are probably like,
hold on a side, dun.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Well, because I had all these conversations with the writer
Gillian Flynn and she was like, no, I'd really like
you to do it. But he was like, you're wrong.
And that was first of all, an ego check for me, like, no,
you're not right for everything. And he was right, he
was totally right.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
But why was he right? How did he rationalize that
to you?

Speaker 5 (19:09):
And he didn't have to. He's David Fincher. He's like,
oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
He literally says that this is you're wrong for this
part and I'm not putting you in it.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I'm asking like what he said, like, did you get
an inkling of like, oh, because people will project onto
me all of their preconceived notions about me as an actor.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I think that's probably for him. Yes, I brought an
audience with me. Sure that likes me.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I remember, I remember saying, we've talked about this.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I'm not sinister diabolical, isn't That's the thing that would
have been this sir, exactly, like not to go back
in history and fight with David Fincher in my own
head because the movie is perfect.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Perfect, right, And I mean it also started to start,
really started a whole other type of career for her too,
which is like a estimate to the producing of that movie.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yeah, And I think it's important.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Producing also means get out of the way when you're
seeing this, you know, get out of the way. Do
your job to promote, continue to pull people together, continue
to build creative groups so that the ultimate result is
the best work that it could possibly be. So that
was a lesson to me. But behind the scenes, a
lot of stuff happened that was not cool in terms

(20:20):
of like my credits and dah da da sure, which
is so boring, But it took me till Big Little
Lies So Big Little Lives was like a year later,
and Nicole and I produced that together till people started
taking me seriously as a producer, because honestly could not
get traction even as a producer, even with those hits,
with those three Oscar nominations. Yeah, it was really hard.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
That's wild. It's wild, no pun intended, but especially because
I feel like Wild in particular, the whole story, the
whole narrative was like, this was a film that she
produced alongside Gone Girl. But that performance, that performance is
just like it is a three sixty and it was
so different from what you had done. I would imagine

(21:02):
that felt incredibly vulnerable, And alongside this statement of I'm
producing this was that the moment if you look back,
that are one of the moments where you felt like
this is a watershed thing like that had to be
a high anxiety moment.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, oh my god, so much anxiety. But doing Wild
was a reset for my whole life, my whole career,
which was great for me. I had to work, visit,
I couldn't talk, you know, my superpower is talking really best.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
It was mostly backpack.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
It was all contemplating the earth, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
The realism of that movie is kind of the sort
of correlarator, like everything you had done up to that point. Also,
you let out one of the great screams.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, I'll never forget the whole Yeah, that was opening
scenes in movies. So did you end up watching it
on the plane last night? Okay, I'm so glad. It's
not a hardship to watch your movie. Twist my arm

(22:08):
watch what was intense? Though? Yeah, that is an intense
It's an intense one. And of course there's that god
the heartbreaking scene where you discover that your mother has
passed and that you weren't there. And then great Laura during.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Talk about.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Was kind of where I was going. So was that
the start? Were you friends with Laura before that?

Speaker 5 (22:30):
Or we met on that movie?

Speaker 1 (22:32):
So you met on that movie, because it does.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
She was doing her dest scene one day one she's dead.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I walk in.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
I'm like, she was like, I'm going through divorce. I
was like, just been through one.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Let's get into let's go. So then there there beg
beg friendship and it does feel like you guys are
like sisters.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Oh my gosh, we are so connected and we laugh
all morning all night. I just FaceTime her this morning.
I was like, going on with call Teresa. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
I was like that, No, I just met her, so
it was like it was it was a two second thing.
But I was just like I didn't get time with her,
but I was like, God, she really similar to you.
It's like like she will always have that other place
in your mind where it's like I once saw you
on a screen and you changed my life. And you

(23:28):
are walking around and really producing the show that the
Palm Royal Show, like really there on her day off,
there in the nuts and bolts, and it's really amazing
to see because you guys bring perspective that is not
usually there.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
She's just so encyclopedic about her understanding of film, television performance,
how movies come together. She's a savant ye and she's
also lovely and kind and humble. Yeah, but she can't
viscerate you in a scene. And You're like, some of

(24:05):
my favorite stuff I've ever done my whole life was
scenes between Madeline and Not on Big Little Lives.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I'll never forget. I'm letting it rip at each other.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
You better not cancel my daughters. And I was like,
I'm going to Disney on.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Ice to God Avenue Q being like these temple plot
points in that show.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean I will also say, like ye show perfection,
it would know it really was and talk about again
like yet again like just watching everything about it. I
mean like in like just the shots of the crashing waves,
et cetera, white lotus, we see you, we know what

(24:53):
you got that from, but that you have to feel
like that probably opened so much up in TV then it.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Was such that was a watershed.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, not just for you but for television.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, but I think because a group of that esteemed
level actresses doing a TV show was unheard of.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Also, just like Nicole myself and.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Laura and Zoe Kravitz and Chailey Whenley like all in
our friendship, you heard more about our friendships than you
heard about our work or what it's going on with
their kids, Like who cares we're best friends angry at
each other?

Speaker 5 (25:33):
It was, you know, it was just.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
The inner workings of female relationships. And I think the
really beautiful thing about Big Little Lives is it's actually
an entire show about domestic violence. Yeah, and it had
this again, this emotional residence where you think it's this
frothy thing, right, but it's actually something very very real
that happens to one in three women, and so you

(25:56):
could laugh about it, right, it's funny. I tend to
my grudg's little pack and scenes with me and Laura amazing.
We're in a totally different show than Nicole Kimmen and
Alexander Scarnard, absolutely, and it all comes together at the
very end you're like.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well. I think one of the really powerful things was
the dichotomy of like, there are these women arguing about
this play and literally blocks over there's this thing happening,
and so yes, there diferent show. It doesn't tell us,
but it is in one reality, and it is also
the reality, which is that these things are happening. And

(26:36):
the shock with which you guys received that information, but
the immediate way, you know, to protect and act, I
think was so powerful. And certainly all my female friends,
that all our female friends that we talked to were
just like so empowered and emboldened by the fact, like
we will have each other's backs and that that's what
that show was about.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
And we'll also have joy, and we will also have laughter,
and we'll also be petty and then we'll make up
for it and.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Still get into it afterwards.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
We're gonna do it and we're gonna have this great
life together.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
But truly, yeah, I feel like that combination of the
frothiness with the weight of something is to transition into
the Morning show. Is is the thing that we love
about Morning Show. We've made a lot of light about

(27:24):
like the campiness of it. Obviously we write it but's
so good, But especially watching this season, I go, you
need the campiness.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I think they're ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
You need Bradley Jackson going to space in order to
talk about these things that even TV now doesn't want
to tackle, like the pandemic, like the fucking insurrection, like
all of these really fucked up things about the world.
You know. Like I think was that like the vision
for the show the whole time, because it also mimics
the dichotomy between morning news shows, which we've had experience

(27:56):
on now, where it's like, Okay, we're going to talk
about a war going on in some place at any
given time, and how do you fold a handkerchief.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
We're going to find out the best way used to plunger.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
It's like it's so good that it's like that's life now.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
So I think you're right and you call it campy
and soapy, but for me, it's like, where's the the
human experience? Right? So if you you're talking about really
earnest subject matter, you have to lighten it up having
like the news producer and the on air.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Athlete talking about like why why were you late a
work today?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
That loved that scene by between Oh my God.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Between Karen Pittman and Karen Is.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I mean, like she's so special. I know, like we
are Karen Pittman superstans, and she's also one of the
most stunning individuals on planet Earth. And like Helen of Troy.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Y'all, we both were up in Nashville, really a rock.
She went to the one girl's school to the other
girls school.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
And same age, exact same age, coming out together, and
we finally met on the first season of Morning Show.
So we're natural girls and oh I love this great.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
I so celebrate all her wins and she was on
and just like that, she's just killing it.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
She definitely is. I feel like the thing too about
about the Morning Show that like I was referencing earlier,
was when you did go to space and then a
matter of ten eleven months later, we see the Blue Origin. Yes,
what did that feel like?

Speaker 5 (29:34):
Because they're just forecasters, these writers.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's Simpson's level. They predicted it.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
It's odd.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, it's odd because at the end of season one,
in the very last scene, Alex Leevey has a melt
down and Cameron she's like, screw this bullshit, and there's
and I'm talking about Right before she says it, I'm like,
and there's a mysterious illness on a cruise ship off
the coast of China. Yeah, and then literally within six
months it was COVID.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
That episod aired before COVID. I know, crazy, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
There's some weird woo stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
So they said that's the whole season of the show,
of the new season, and we freaked. But now I'm like,
oh gosh, what's what's it going to pretend at the
end of the season. That's going to befall us?

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I don't know, But I just love I love the
tone of the show.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Like it's just it's so fun, it's so enriching. Every
character is like rich now in the fourth season, and
even the new entrances like Marion Coti is just so
perfect in this And when I heard that she was cast,
I'm like, what is that going to feel like? And
she comes in and she just brings all her marion
ness to it, and it does feel she feels impenetrable

(30:48):
and untouchable and very you.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Know, her family owns the entire network now along with
a lot of other assets. In summer sort of maybe
a little dubious unsavory, and it comes around, Yeah, she's
sort of the queen of this empire's family empire, and
that if they're doing some shady stuff. Yeah, and she's
doing shady stuff all over the don't get me started

(31:11):
about episode.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Eight, maybe it's nine, maybe it's not. See a penultimate episode.
Just wait, that's where the real ship goes to. It's Selene.
And I said that her name was Selene. I was like,
that's just perfect, of course it is. Did you name
Bradley Jackson? Who named Bradley Jackson? No?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Our original writer Carrie Aaron wrote, Jackie Jackson, it's unforgot
a very newscaster.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Totally, but newscaster out of like a rural like network
who is then spotlet on national television goes back.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's like it works both ways.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah, you know it's true and ambitious and ambition a threat.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
We clearly do. Are you a news junkie or do
you or did you feel? Have you always been? Are you? No?

Speaker 4 (32:01):
But I like to read very specific things about technology.
I'm really interested in technology. Biomedical innovation is really interesting
to me, and and marketing is really interesting to me,
Like how do you consume? Like figuring out what consumers like?
I love it and.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Why and why?

Speaker 5 (32:22):
Culture?

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Culture?

Speaker 4 (32:24):
How does it move markets like Taylor Swift moving markets
in cities when her production comes there and economies grow.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Let's talk about that.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Oh yeah, that that's interesting to me. Why do people
like certain people and really can't stand others? Is it
better for people to for you to be controversial or
no one cares about you?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Is the it is the Q rating they run diagnosed.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
You, guys.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I guess maybe you do? Maybe do wait?

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Might want it?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Okay, you won't want that? Do you?

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Guys? Like data?

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Do like?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
But the right?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I mean there are some little flames that I don't
want to touch, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (33:18):
I find it really fast, Like I don't want an
ORR ring, Like who am I going.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
To do with that ring? So you're not woo woo.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Let's talk.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
What's it giving today?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
My resiliency score is down to adequate because we were
on a red eye.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
My resilience my grip.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I gotta get my grip score up, I mean my
sleep score. Listen, she she tracks the naps with eerie precision.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
But what are you doing with this information?

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Like?

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Does it make you feel better?

Speaker 1 (33:46):
How would you become more resilient?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
How? I Well, it gives me knowledge that I've trended downward, right,
so I really got it. Okay, let me be more
intentional about my sleep. Let me be more intentional about
my like working out in the morning. Let me be
more intentional about time to read, which I want to
ask you about. Like it does give some shape to
the outlook of the day.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
It gives you a readiness score based on your sleep,
based on your activity the day before. Okay.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
But if something woke you up in the morning and said,
you're so tired, you look really tired?

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Are you tired?

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Sleep? God? Why are you tired? I have data you
are one tired?

Speaker 3 (34:23):
And how are you going to.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Feel for the rest of Today's so susceptible. It will
tell me how to feel.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
We'll be like, oh, totally.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
I didn't sleep.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I don't have a crown. I think they give you
a crown on the score if you are. I don't
even know.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
That is just like human behavior one oh one. They're
trying to like, you know, and you're letting them.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
But the tone is actually quite gentle, like the rest
place today actually doesn't.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Then I'd like to know your saltiness, your sassiness, saltiness
like there should be how much crap can you handle today?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
So this is it's like if you if you did
like go on a bend or the night before and
you only got like whatever three hours of sleep, it goes.
Maybe think about taking it easy. It's very gentle. Okay, nice, sobriety.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
You need sobriety. No, No, it's loading it up right now.
But that's what I say.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
It's it's never been like fingerwagy, you're not doing so well?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
This loads up. Well.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
It's also how you hear it.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
How you take criticism. I just window in me, don't
take it well.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Well, I was going to ask you that ever, like
as someone who's like a metrics like and but also
a sensitive person, as a result of like what you do.
I've always been like interested in this people that are
very produced oriial and people that are real. You know,
you're a business person and so, but you're also an actor,
and so you maintain a lot of like openness, vulnerability,
sensitivity in order to do what you do. How do

(35:52):
you balance those two things as someone who's like out
there publicly as a product in a way that we
all are, but also someone who markets that product, Like
how do that? Like, how do you walk that line
and maintain this?

Speaker 5 (36:05):
Okay, Well, well that's a good question.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
It has different levels to it too, because when I'm
in work mode, it's a full different personality. And that's
where I've kind of been for a while now, the
acting I have to switch on. I have to kind
of tune out what's happening in the business and then
but I knew if I didn't tune in to the
business and kind of level up, I wasn't going to
make change.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
You make it or you may get lost.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
I would get lost. But I also just think not
enough of it.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Like I wasn't an executive, but I had to become
an executive in the last nine years, and I don't
enjoy it per se, but it's important if I want
to affect change and actually create a company that has
enterprise value in a market and see where the ball
is going in terms of media. So I have to

(36:53):
pay attention.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
To all that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well, even so outside of those things, it's like I
think with Hello Sunshine, you've like created the trend of
actor starts production company. Great, but that's but what you've
always avoided, which is what's common, is that an actor
starts production company as a way to be a boom
to the changing.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Tides of showbiz.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I don't think that's ever been true for you, maybe
in the beginning when you were having to like prove
yourself quote unquote, but now I feel like with the
pipeline of the book club, you have this way to
create taste. You are a taste maker more than we are,
to be sure. So like, what is the difference between like,
how do you like changing that dial? Has to be
a very intentional, very difficult thing.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Well, I think taking some of the intense spotlight I
had as a very young person, and I learned a
lot about marketing through sitting about meetings, people talking about
me like I was a product and they were like, well,
it plays well in Russia and Brazil, but it doesn't
play well in Japan.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
And I was like, you're talking about me?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, why did they not?

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Okay? So I had to learn the deeperson.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
I don't know, and I don't know because they haven't
met me. But no, I started to learn about how
audiences receive information when things trend this way and that way.

(38:24):
So as I started thinking about a book club as
a business enterprise, right, what were the advantages? First of all,
being first to market on having read something ahead of time,
and then going to those authors and saying, first, you
did the hard work, you broke the back of the story,
These characters are indelible. Can I help you promote it

(38:44):
with this spotlight that I have? That's all on me,
But can I shine a little bit on you and
help you out with some marketing stuff online? And then also,
if you feel inclined to give me the first right
of the option.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Let me know.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
But there was never like you have to give me
an option in your book. So I wanted to clarify that.
That was a lot of people say, oh, she got
the first right of refusal. I didn't, but people were
so appreciative of the marketing. And then I also said,
if you give me the rights, I'm not going to
stick it in development. Hell no, I'm going to work
my ass off on it for two years, and if

(39:18):
I can't get it made, I'm going to give it
back to you, you know. And we had a great
success rate from little fires everywhere to you know, big
little lies, to morning show to Last Thing You Ever
told Me?

Speaker 5 (39:30):
And now we have another new one coming out with Anya.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Taylor Joy called Lucky, and it's been great where the
crowd is sing Yes.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Is it that you're looking at projects and you think, oh,
this is something I really want to do with Carrie,
This would be fun to do with her. We always
joke this podcast started out as a way for us
to have a playdate, yea once a week and you're
looking at you you see these things and you're like,
this is my playdate with Kerry Washington for real?

Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (39:57):
And I get to play with my favorite people, and
you know what a gift and also empower them. We
all get to make something together and have a blast
when we're doing it.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
So it isn't I don't mean to diminish it and
say it's easy because it's really hard work and long hours,
and but geez, it's like reaping the rewards of thirty
years of hard work. It's like it's a I love
my job. I love it.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
You can tell. It's so clear that the authors.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
I'm just such a nerd. I read constantly.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Between reading about technology and biomedical stuff.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
An hour a day, I'll read that, like while I
took coffee.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Some total of the day, how much of it is reading?
Because this is what I want a kind of engineer
in my own life. I'm like, I gotta read books
instday instead of scrolling on this.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
I know, and I do think people are kind of
getting off the phone and saying, like touch grass read
a book, told paper, I read an hour at night.
I read an hour in the morning and an hour
and at night, and then I'm on a plane the
whole plane ride. Yeah, so I can get through a
lot on planes.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
And how much can you ever stop yourself and just
be like, I'm just going to enjoy this book and
stop thinking.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
About who should play this female ly? Yeah, you know,
go to be amazing in this.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Cooper, Yeah, as a female lead.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Kidding, but there's no I think in cinematic terms. I'm
always casting the movie in my mind.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Nothing. It is so fun. Nothing wrong with that. Speaking
of the mind, let's take an odesty into it. We're
going to ask you the question that we ask everyone
on our show, which is what was the culture that
made you say? Culture was? For me?

Speaker 5 (41:51):
There's just like so many things came outo my mind
when we were talking.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
I know, I bet.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
I mean when I thought about it, you know, when
you first asked me, I was like, was it this?
I mean, I remember when MTV started, that was a
big deal in my childhood. And John man Jovi or
JDJ as I call him, came out with this music
video called Living on a Prayer and he wore these
thigh high red leather boots.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
And you would think resources not like into guys with
thigh high red leather.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Yes, it was a moment. It was a moment and
I had a lot.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
There was a long kind of feelings about that, and
that to me was like MTV Movie Awards and Video
Awards were huge of my childhood because I grew up
in a little town in Tennessee and I was seeing
people like talk about, you know, gender fluidity, whether they
were talking about it, or they were just exhibiting it.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
That was cool.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
They were edgy, or like Gwen Stefani came out with
I'm Just a Girl and she had this ska song
about how women are always sublimated and ignored and underestimated.
I was like, that's my yeah. But as you're sitting here,
I was like, oh my god, I know what culture
was for me. I remember being going with a group

(43:07):
of friends to the movies and seeing First Wives Club, Oh,
and seeing Diane cuton Yea, Bet Miller and Goldie Hawn
do that dance at the end. Well yeah, and I
was like, I think I was the only eleven year
old watching it, like.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
That's revenge yea.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Their unhappiness is joy and they expressed it through song and
dance and on a huge screen saying you.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Don't know me.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
I was like, this is it.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
That's it. I used to rent that from Blockbuster all
the time, Like I can't believe my mom just wasn't like, oh,
my son's gay, like cause it was like I was
like I was renting it from Blockbuster all the time
and watching it and I don't remember like the rest
of them from that time, but that scene. That scene.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
By the way, your blockbuster strategy was culture like on
Friday Hit. Were you like the basics that like ran
for the new hits or were you like, m I
think I'm gonna go rent blue velvet.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
It's by data lemb what I would do. The Writer
Film Festival that I was, Oh.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
There was I'll never forget walking down the aisle and
I saw Batman Forever and Nicole Kidman had her Veronica
care and I said, I know something about myself as
a result of the way I'm reacting to this picture.
And I took that movie and one day when she
sits in this seat, I will tell her that that doctor.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Chase her hair is seared into my consciousness. Yes, it's
a core memory for her.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Her like it's like it's like a noir scene and
she gathers up her her like limons and she goes
over to like you know that the curtains blowing, and
then Batman comes and they're having this scene, and I'm like,
that might have been a little bit of an awakening
for me, to be honest with you, that was my

(44:57):
block question.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Like it's all coming back to me now. It's like
like women at a window with linens.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
You know, linens and blowing in the breeze. Yeah, that
was my But your blockbuster strategy is your culture, because
it would be like, are you gonna go to the
wall with the new releases where it's like ten twenty
copies of one thing?

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Or are you gonna slowly peruse the aisles? And I'm
like nine years old, I'm going, what's the deer Hunter?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Like? Not like like Deerhunter?

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Well, and I was a Goldiehank completed, so it was
either Overboard or Wildcats. When I had to go to
Overboard and then I could get I could always get
a group of kids to kind of watch what I
wanted to watch.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
I was considered like still producing them.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
I was like, you guys just don't know follow me.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
It was huge, huge, Yeah, she was huge.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
And went on a writer was huge and I felt
like I felt like I knew her.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeahure Overboard I almost had to wait. That movie is everything.
It's zered me. But this everything the end of First
Wife's Club is like this light that's refracted into three
different beams among those women, and you had you could
choose all three of them to model yourself after, Like
even for us. It's like, I want to be all

(46:12):
of them.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Well, in your light, your life wasn't a result of
what the bad relationships that had happened to you. It
was what your friendships that were gonna help you rise
above and overcome.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
And how interesting I came back around for.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
You, I know, and you know who knew that. We
just talked about it.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
We do know. It's funny. It's like someone said to
me one time, like you'll look back on your career
and you'll see you'll see it through line. And so
it's funny. You talk about ambition being a through line,
you talk about female friendship being a through line, and
to be where you're at now and know that those
things have stayed consistent but also inspired people. That has

(46:52):
to be really really, really really special.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Yeah, And I feel lucky that I continue I get
to do it. I get to continue to do it
at a really high level. What's really fun people is
really awesome. But I had a friends say.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
To me the other day, she said, you know, do
you feel like you were born with a finite amount
of stories to tell and you've told a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Why would she say that? Oh?

Speaker 4 (47:13):
She was an author and she's probably sixty one or something,
and she's like, I feel like I'm kind of rewrapping
every story, but it's always the same theme.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
But that's okay.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Yeah, maybe we're.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
All here for a purpose that you have to find,
as Oprah would say, you have to find your purpose,
you know, or what like do you know the themes
of your storytelling lives?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Not?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
It's coming into focus, okay slowly, And for you to
say that, like, like when would you say that?

Speaker 5 (47:42):
It came into focus for me until I was thirty
four to thirty five.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
We're at that age basically, So it's weird.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
That, like people pleasing starts to diminish and you start
to go, oh wait, what I've been doing.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Is kind of good? Is I'm kindling?

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Right?

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Like I've had one success and it's building on another,
and now it's time for me to slip into ali
ship role and start being and you'll start to see
I mean you probably already seeing this. People are looking
at you and going what do you want to do?
Instead of going can.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
You please cast me? Or can you please put me
in exces? And so you have to spend that good
look at me like life coaching your head I feel something.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
I like, you guys are super creative, and it's important
that when you figure that out for yourself, your life
opens up in a beautiful way and you start to
go on a different path where it's like, Okay, I'm
only going to follow those those threads that serve my
real purpose and let people into my life that are

(48:37):
helping that purpose.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
It's funny when you know yes too, because it's like,
I feel like when I was younger growing up, like
and I had that moment where I was watching the
Oscars and I was it was I think I was
eight years old. We always talk about that same that
Titanic Oscars, we call it. That was the moment I
looked in the screen and I was like like, oh,

(49:00):
I'm not supposed to be here. I'm supposed to be
with them. And then you get in the industry and
you understand more about it, and you work and you
get the awards thing, and you maybe even get to
a point like you where you win the Oscar, and
yet it's not like you hit the jackpot and won
the game and now the rest of your life is roses.

(49:22):
You still had struggles after that Oscar in terms of
being taken seriously as a producer, is that that must
have been something that you really felt, like, I've won
an Oscar and yet still you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (49:34):
And you hear that over and over and over again
that there's a curse, but there's like, what are they
going to open a magic you know, vault with the
great scripts that they've been waiting to give you.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
No, it's not.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
It's actually it's.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
An opportunity to start creating your own right. But I
didn't understand that and it took me four years to
figure it out.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, because you're thinking, after you win the Oscar for
a walk the line, it's incredible. Yeah, you think it's
gonna get easier. They're gonna all of a sudden, I'm
gonna be where you know so and so is. And
then all of a sudden you say, wait, who am
I talking about? Is so and so? Because we're all
here women in Hollywood even at this level, and it's
not like there's like this abundance.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Right, and yeah, exactly, you nail it, and there is
an Oscar curse.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
I think it feels like I mean, I think there's
empirical data at this point.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, for data, people people there were people who like,
you know, but it's interesting. I guess it's interesting what
ultimately does give you that satisfaction in purpose. It's like,
of course whenning the oscar probably felt incredible, like I
would love to win one, but you know that it's
about what you can provide to people and what you
can like be a part of that really affects change.

(50:44):
Probably someone coming up to you that watched Big Little
Lies and said I felt empowered to say something, or
I asked my friend if they were okay, you know,
or I made sure that I just hang out with
my female friends more as a result of watching that.
That probably can give you something that an oscar never comes.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Oh my god, morning show people talking about I was
harassed in my workplace and I have a voice, and
you illuminated in the show, and now everybody at work
is behaving differently. Yeah, so a lot of the way
our amazing friends who work in the corporate world have
to walk through a lot of sublimation and humiliation or
just it has radically changed in the past seven years.

(51:24):
And was boarding structures and harassment is actually like that's
not flirting, that's actually like leave me, I'm interested and.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Even the jokes about like can you believe we can't
do this are now met with like, shut up up,
you know what I mean? Like I've been how many times,
like when you get cast on a new project, you
have like, you know, the sexual harassment training, and it's
the people who are like I can't believe this. When
I was on fifteen years ago, it's like, okay, dude, okay,
like listening to yourself.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
I've had people roll their eyes during it, and it
was usually people who were harassing people exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
But I can't tell you I like your sure, and
it's like, no, you can tell me you like my
shirt and you know the difference. Yeah, And so the
fact that you're stunting on this right now is inappropriate.
But then people want attention.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Real, you know. But I think Morning Show is great
too because we get to watch things shift.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Right.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
So we were there during Mean too, we were talking
about workplace harassment. Now we're here talking about the mano
verse and the rise of the male podcaster having massive influence.
Perfect in the Great White is amazing and he has,
you know, this ease and charm about him, but he's
also kind of a.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
Good old boy.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
It works that character too, and so I think it's
it's great that we can talk about journalism in this
way that you know, we're not attacking anybody, but we're
just sort of illuminating how disturbing it is that people
are getting their news sources from people who are maybe
not experts and the things are talking about.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Well, that's one of the biggest problems I have with
I mean, in our in our podcasting community. When suddenly
a lifestyle podcast or a comedy podcast host thinks that
they can have a politician on their show and have
a real conversation with them, I just don't think it's
something that we should be doing. We're not qualified necessarily
to do that.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
Well, do think it's port to say that?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
You know, during the election, we were pitched Democratic politicians
to come on here, residential candidates, and we had to
pass because I was like, I think then I would
have to and Bowen would have to follow up with
some with some topics, and like, I don't know if
you want this person on our show, right, I don't
know if it's best for us to do this.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
It's so good to trust your instincts, because again, what
is your purpose here?

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Are you having great political news.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
No, we should make people happy. Guys.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
You make people happy.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Yeah, exactly like having your own award show. You watch it,
you guys come on.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
With that.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
We just sort of try to make each other laugh
and if we do it, we just all of that.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
And did you tell people like guests that they had
to come on to accept their awards?

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Well did they just want to? We so behind the curtain.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
It was our amazing, amazing, amazing team to help us
an amazing I can't I can't.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
Believe you watched it. I can't believe repeated some clips.
So we're very fuddy.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
You're invited any years. The thing is like I literally
was thinking. I was like, no, the first time we
meet rees has to be like this.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
And then we're going to open the box anyway it's there,
but no, we just know we like. Look, it was
a lot of work because it was just the two
of us plus two writers, which is very understaffed in
terms of award show. It was we wrote all the
presenter copy, all the speeches because everyone was like, we
don't know what this is yet because it had been
so we had to write all the speeches. We like,
we did everything.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
How long does that take you guys a couple.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Couple of months. And that really challenging part was that moment.
And this is why I like it's great to talk
to you is because then you suddenly have to be like, oh,
I'm snapping into be talent now, and now we have
to learn Abracadabra by Lady Gaga, my god, the dance,
and that's when I that's when I finally was like,
I have an anxiety problem and I'm getting on plaw

(55:11):
okay because this Abrica dabra dance almost took me out?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
And so can we talk about our relationship to anxiety?
And like, yes, can we? Because I want to hear
tools that you've learned and what I've learned. And it's
real you talk about I'm a high anxiety person, okay, And.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
So I'm actually really happy to hear you say that
because sometimes I think when someone talks about themselves as
ambitious and I identify with that, it's sort of what
people don't say is the amount of anxiety that sometimes
can be driving that ambition or accompanying that ambition. So
even just to hear you label it as being as

(55:51):
your ambition being a symptom or how do you think
of it?

Speaker 4 (55:54):
I mean anxiety manifest itself depression because it looks like
anxieties times too, so it can be really highly performance space,
like you have to perform, you have to show up,
which is a lot of my anxiety.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
So I used to have panic attacks, bad panic attacks.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Like crying, and I tried meditation. It's hard for me
to listen. I also have like smady d stuff, so
I can't listen to stuff for very long. Honestly, this
sounds so crazy, but I worked with a hypnotist who
also did in no medice.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
I took medicine. Sometimes I'd have to take at a
van to calm down, and then it would make me
feel like a zombie.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
And then I wasn't informing. That's depressing, and I wasn't
performing at the level.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
I wanted to, and I wasn't as funny. But by
the way, PS, if you need medicine, please take the.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Medicine very individual.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Don't be a hero.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Yes, and I'm not a doctor. Don't need to put
that little thing a doctor. But I started doing some
work about with a hypnotist and she actually works with
the same called neuralin linguistic programming, so it's called NLP,
and she helped me realize that I was going to
get to the same results, but I could get rid

(57:08):
of all the anxiety.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
And yeah, when was that.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
I was thirty thirty four imaginal.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Five and so this was this was I think, I've well,
how long we've we've been now, like like engaging with
the center real way for like what two years a
year each? Yeah? Sure, so always thinking like what if
I dull myself or you know what I mean, lots
of our friends with mental health stuff.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
Like I don't drink too much and then I was like,
why am I doing this?

Speaker 4 (57:45):
I don't feel good or I taken out of van
and I was sleepy or so that actually changed my
whole life. And I want people to know anxiety is real.
And when I see girls going through it, our guys
going through and they post videos and they're I'm like
want to hug them. I what makes want to cry
because it's very real and you're not alone and you

(58:06):
can calm yourself down. There's tools to calm yourself down.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I mean, there is no magic, single solution. I think
it is just you finding like on an individualized level,
like the matrix of things that can help you through.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
I don't know, but the cornerstone of that work is
understanding that you're going to perform at the same level
whether you're stressed about it or not stressed about it. Yeah,
so decide to take the stress out. And she has
a lot of exercises where you talk to yourself after
you've completed the task. You've done this show, you're walking backstage,
you guys are like going, you're reviewing, and you're happy,

(58:44):
and so you kind of just tell yourself ahead of time,
we're going to get there. The way I process it
is actually who I am and how I show up
as a leader.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Sure, but the cognitive script that you have to undo,
which is I'm sure the work that you did is
to go. But now, I mean the way that I
do it, even if I like the anxiety and the
stress is just the way through.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
That's the journey.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Like, like, at what point do you believe that to
be true, that like you don't need.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
All this stuff in the middle, that you will perform
at the same level.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
When you can let the compliments in.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Ah, you hear that my big issue.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
But just sit down at the end of the night,
maybe even like just circle certain texts or take a
screenshot and like give yourself a moment and let it end. Yeah,
because you really are that talented and you really really
deserves where you're at.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
And but even if it's just quiet and private to
you totally, you know, one last thing before we move on.
I don't think so, honey, And I would have always
wanted to ask you, Okay, yeah, I would have always
wanted to ask is And what we kind of maybe
brought up earlier with the book club, it's like people
assumed that like you have the like you have first
look at everything, right, that must be a frustrating thing.
And that is probably two things. One's the estimate underestimation

(59:56):
that we've talked about, which is another through line with
the ambition. The other is people projecting things onto you,
Reese Witherspoon, this accomplished, high functioning, beautiful, charming, decorated person.
But then but then at what point does that like
work against things at a certain point?

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I don't wait, No, that's not everything there is about me.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
I mean, people assume things about me. I don't know
what they assume about me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I don't club it's like the book club though it's like, well,
she must get first. It's like they just assume that
you have these things at your fingertips when you have
to work hard for them.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Yeah, I think no, I think like the joke is
out about me that I work.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Really no, I don't know if people assume like things that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
What really gets my oat is people assuming things about
my friends or women who are in the spotlight drives
me up a wall that you think you understand someone's
emotional experience when you have never met them, yes, and
you project things on them like sometimes I'll get on
my comments about people my life who've had kids and
people in my life who haven't head kids, and there's

(01:01:03):
a massive judgment there on either side, right, and it's
just not cool. Yeah, we need to not do that too,
And don't assume that people don't have any consciousness about
children even if they haven't given birth to them out
of their body of Christ.

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
You know that really bad?

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Oh, that's that This whole conversation that's like, this is
so leary.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I mean, I thought I was coming in to do
I don't think so honey about something very light.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Well, remember when you said before we get into I
don't think so, honey, I have one more thing. You
fuked up because I have one more thing. Now, don't
think that you're going to come out lost culturist. That's
the podcast and we're not going to at least bring
up Big Little last season three. All right, so as
you go, okay on look down, I just feel like

(01:01:48):
we do need it, and I would like to ask
in a real way about like how much brain space
that takes up for you on the on the on
the day to day, and like what we thinking about
we talking about I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
The idea of it is so exciting to me. And
then this is where my anxiety and perfectionism and ambition
comes in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yeah, for sure. And I don't want to do it you,
of course it does.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
So I'm not going to give it to you guys,
but you know it will be Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Can I say, and the best And I like I
You're just one of my like number ones, and like,
so I will say Big Little Eyes Season one, episode six,
The scene with you and Catherine Newton where she's out
on the hammock and you're going to over to her
to confront her about the fact that she's going to

(01:02:40):
like sell her virginity on the internet, and when you
tell her your secret about the fact that you had
stepped out on Adam Scott, that to me was just
like that was like rece That scene was like there
was so much fire in their spirit and there was
vunerability and that there was there was all this Like

(01:03:04):
I just think that's character is like the character that
you were like porn to play after all of them
and you've done You've brought so much to life in
these different ways. But I feel like Madeline Martha Mackenzie
is like that's that's like the one, and I just
hope that in season three she tears it up. Thank you.
That's what I'm going to say. I have that big

(01:03:25):
little lies. That's that's Madeline show.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
Well, I'm gonna pick your brain for cool set pieces too,
because I think what's important too is, yes, you get
all the wonderful in our personal dynamics and you get
all the friendships and all the great women, but we
really live for our set pieces too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Oh yeah, oh god, whether it's.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
You know, the trivia night where we all dress like
Audrey Hepburn or we just got girlfriend and daughter, So
those are really important to me too, and like it
all has to cook into this beautiful, delicious meal.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
It has to be perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
I mean, they do such an amazing job. You all
do such an amazing job at picking those places too.
I remember that you guys wanted to go get coffee
at a place one time. This is when you have
the scene with Meryll and she reads you for being short,
like I just like this outdoor coffee spot where you
ordered an Americano. I was like, I want to go
order an Americana at that place. I love everything about

(01:04:25):
that show.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
The fact that the show was so yummy that Meryl
was like, yes, I want to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
She was like. Tracy was like me, you brought Meryl
to TV?

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Nicole did? She called Nicole and she was like, I
gotta be in your show.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
And that's how I would imagine. And you said something
one time. I think it was when you were giving
a tribute to to Nicole where you were talking about
how like Nicole calls and she's like, you've got to understand.

Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
This director, we must get her that she does say
stuff like must go in a girl's trip, I have
to have a tequila, we have to we must.

Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
She really does yeah, she really does.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
She needs and she is.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
She's like you and I were the property girlies. We
love to buy properties.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Please, She's totally right, great folks. Seventy three questions, by
the way, get.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
Real estate questions call us?

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Did you really do that back flip on that trampoline?
And that was really because for a second I was like,
did that this in vogue? Ye did? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
I was a gymnast when I was a little I
was a diver in a gymnast.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
You were a diver, you were.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
I was taking big risks and it was a very small.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Statue, very big gymnastics for your uneven bars, queen.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
I was more floor beam beam, so scary. All the
short queens love beam because you know, low center grapty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
My sister was too tall to be doing gymnastics and
we would just be white knuckling into the girls going
down like.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
Just legs and arms and legs was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Good for her, sorry, Charlesious. And there's there's symbolism in that. Okay,
it's not for I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yes this is I don't think so honey. It's our
sixty second second Moore, We take a minute, which really,
if you crack it down is sixty seconds to rant
and really take down something in culture that's been gunning us.
And I was thinking earlier about like you know, how
you see the threads in your work. This kind of
feeds into what I'm saying. Exciting. Okay, okay, this is
Matt Rodgers. I don't think sony as time starts now,

(01:06:49):
I don't think so honey. People telling me I can't
say y'all, I can't say y'all even though I'm from
Long Island, New York. Yea right, you is a catch
all because I'll tell you what I'm not doing, folks.
I'm not doing folks. I can say you all you
guys like of course you guys is like you know,
it's it's it lives inside me.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
But I can say y'all. You know who else says
y'all bowen yang every now and then. Also, don't come
for me for code switching. Okay. Co switching is how
I survived. It is the theme in my work thus far.
I'm sure it will remain. It's true.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Code switching for professional survival and social survival. And y'all
can relax fifteen seconds because I am not gonna stop
saying it, probably because also Kelly Clarkson is one of
my formative cultures at the age of twelve, and she
was like, y'all, y'all, y'all on I am recond idol
and I did imprint on her and Reese is here

(01:07:46):
and I've made it clear how much I love her.
So y'all, I don't think so, honey, And that's one man.
Y'all's big for me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
That was so good that thanks, But do you know
what I'm saying, Yeah, y'all belong to everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
So national noted. Thank you Nashville queen. All right, so
you're allowing it? Yes, of course, open up the gates.
Open up the gates now. I just remember at Sweet Home,
Alabama when you got to the dog's grave. You know
who loved that, Roger Ebert. Roger, I'm telling you, I'm

(01:08:20):
I'm like, I have the bibliography.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
How do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
I love you? You're amazing. You know you're my favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
I think you know that Roger Ebert loved that scene
of me crying over my dad.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Talk Sweet Home Alabama in his review. I remember this
from when I was reading like the reviews, like way
back when it was like Roger Ebert was like, I
think he gave the movie like a two and a
half star review or whatever. And then he was like,
but the thing is Reese when she gets down and
she does that, you'll like that speech to the dog.
And I was like reading it and I was like, Mom,

(01:08:52):
we have to go to the movies. We have to
see Sweet Alabama. She's like, okay, no skin off my back. No, yes,
of course, y'all know we're studied the bruiser. What's this
I'm telling you is that's a deep cut obviously. Ellewoods
speaking of I've got my own things. So okay, here
we go and I and I'm swinging big and this
might not go over well, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna

(01:09:14):
do it, and you are allowed to respond however you
would like. Okay, he's a chemistry major from n Yu.
Before we get into it, okay, this is Bowen Yang's
I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I
don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Elle Wood's pronouncing it ammonium thiaglocolate when the pronunciation is
ammonium thioglicolate theo glicolly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I fucked it up, too, Oh you so how damn
I like Elle.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
I was a chemistry major and I couldn't even do it.
So I guess I have no fucking leg to stand on.
And Elle herself with her working knowledge, the rules of
beauty are care finite.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Any Cosmo girl would have any Cosmo girl would have
known thirty seconds. I think for that to be the
punch that threw Chutney in jail, love you Linda, Oh
my god, we love Linda in this house, I think
the impact would have been even greater. I think it
has thrown industrial chemistry in disarray since the year two
thousand because they have not known how to pronounce this name.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
That it's thrown even me off. And it really was
a bump of the road of ice chemistry education. But
I could never be met at Elwoods. I could ever
be met at Reese. It's one of the best movies
of all time, and that's what I meant. I'm so
sorry I fucked it up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
But see Emmonium. I Glockley lives in my head forever now.
It's how it's pronounced.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
Was it a topic like did you guys talk about it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
We did not talk about it, but it's like you
you must understand that it did confuse the community. It's like,
how do we pronounce this chemical? This module?

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
I mean you were influenced that I was correct twenty
five years later. But you know, el Woods is a
fashion and merchandise major.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Sh She's not. Oh I have a four point now wait,
but I want you to know. Also, did you know
they show at n y U I went to dramatic
writing school a Titian m Yu. They show the opening
sequence of Legally Blonde to show how to establish tone
of passed. Really yeah, it's like there's like a whole
scene and like just every of the girl riding in

(01:11:11):
the bike, and it gets you bruiser, what's this? And
then you open it up. They show that whole thing,
and we did a whole day about how like that
is a perfect way to establish the tone of a
movie and get the audience ready for what's to come.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
Oh wow, yeah, I think that's so great.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
But yeah, I can't even watch the beginning of the
movie because they replace somebody my hands with somebody else's
hands and I can't look at it. And that's just
my little side scoop. You understand, I need to just
I mean this isn't my things.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
I can't. I don't think so anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
It was like hand doubles that don't look like the humans,
like I can't. No, I spend a lot of time
picking feet doubles.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
You.

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
I also through me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
With ad R. Whenever I see something as even a
little bit idio. No, I mean like you're good at it.
But when you when I'm watching it and like I
can tell thing is ad R, I'm like out.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
Yeah, totally, yeah, that's hard.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
I think I think we're pretty good at it. I
just did some and for I wasn't even supposed to
say that I'm on it, but I did.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Sorry, just comes out in a little you know, people excited,
we want to keep.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Doing it. Was so I'll show you a picture of
my It was so, oh my god, they're going to
be mad. But it was so like rich. I was like, Wow,
to be on a set that like a period has
a budget like this is crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
You know, the costumes the same person as Big Little Eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Okay, I was gagging for the costume designer. She didn't
say that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
Though, Yeah, oh my god, she's amazing. She's helped like
Laura darn and she worked really close yes, for years
and years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I'll tell you after.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
And I mean the looks it looks for.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
That was one of those shows to where it's like
they're going to do a measurement fitting and I was like, Okay, cool,
I think I'm going in for a fitting every every
single of your everything that I was wearing a fully
espiedo in the whole thing. So I was just like, Okay,
I don't know if we needed this. They're like, they're
gonna make your glove set everything. I just again, I

(01:13:14):
was like, I need those measurements for.

Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
Something, your gloves size.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Though I don't think I do not off the top
of the dome. Not off the dome. I'm a fifteen
neck all right. Anyway, we gotta get you out here
because you have to do I don't think Sonny and
this is gonna be iconic?

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
Do I really.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
The first person ever to not do one? And that
could be iconic? You get anything to do. Don't put
that thought in her head. Okay, she has something, she's
got something.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
I mean, you're kidding me. That is topics. I'm just like,
which one's George you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Oh yeah, Well, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Like I'm picking what's right for today.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Okay, because like what's on my mind is when I
came in there's like somebody that came up to me
at a party and was like said, said something terrible
my friend.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
I'm like, no, you're gonna tell we're gonna be friends.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Let's go, let's go. This is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
But then like I also want to talk about is
like people who bring smelly food on like the trains
and on the airplane and like oh okay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Okay, and if you feel thirty seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Also, I have another thing, which is like standing in
line for a cinnamon roll, Like why are we doing
this with our lives?

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
This? I think this, I think cinnamon roll, cinnamon roll. Okay, yeah,
do this and know the form is yours to break. Okay,
if thirty seconds in you want to talk about your friend,
do that up to you. Here we go. This is
Reese Witherspoons. I don't think so, honey, her time starts now.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
I don't know why people do this, but why why
do you stand in line for like a cinnamon.

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
Roll you saw on TikTok.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
What like a special food or something like you should
touch grass, you should touch grass, you should read a book? Oh,
like you know and I have friends who will spend
all day searching TikTok is like a search tool for
places to take a picture, places to eat special foods,
and they will stand in line for hours and hours
and hours and hours for sour dough bread, and I

(01:15:02):
just can't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Can't is that they want to stand in line secretly,
but they don't want to tell people.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
No one ever wanted to stand in line ever for
anything ever, and especially not a bake good like no,
Like sometimes I get it about like those beautiful drinks
that have like the frosty meringue tops, like that's cute
and it's gonna look cute on your feed. Cinnamon rolls
are not cute in pictures. I don't want to see it,
and I really don't want.

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
To hear about it. Five seconds, Okay, I really don't.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
I also want to stand in line for lip gloss,
the one that does.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Feel like something that is not in my culture because
it's never had to be but lip gloss. It's to
be standing in line.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Get a grip.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
What's worth standing in line for?

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Ooh okay, a really amazing once in a lifetime live performance.
Yeah you know, like somebody you are really moved.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
By what's your favorite concert you've ever seen?

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
Well, the thing that's coming to mine is, oh my god,
come on, so many things. Well, Gwen Stefani when I
was twelve, Yeah, no, I wasn't. I was like twenty
when she came.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
What am I talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
I saw in Minnesota. I was making a movie with
Paul Right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
It was called Delivery is a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible movie.
We had the best time. Sarah Silverman was had one
line in the whole movie. She was hysterically funny. That's
when we made friends. And it was just a time.
And we were in Minnesota and it was the beginning
of SKA and girl punk and just all the rising

(01:16:32):
talent and it was really fun. And I went and
saw Gwen Stefani in the tiny, tiny theater love it
and it was cool and she was just a girl,
but she really wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
She did Coachella last year and it felt like and
it was no doubt, so it did feel like we
were back. It was it was just.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
The way she was, like, I'm just a girl, yeah
in the world.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
I mean, it was every feeling I've read.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Yeah, she was a total beast, is a total beast.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
She contained multitudes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yeah, yeah, of course, and a strong red lips always and.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
A pony and I just can't it was small.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
And also what what What blew my mind was realizing
she was having to bleach her hair all the time
and she still has it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
That's weird. That's a mystery.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
I had a bleach blonde moment all of last year
and would have gone falls out. She's burnt, so I
don't know how she's doing it. But you're still to
this day. Sponsor, Well, listen, this has been.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
Oh my gosh, you guys, and I feel so glad
we finally did that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
And like, trust me, when he and I had to chase.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
You down, and just for the record, I chased you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Listen, No you did not. It was it was not.
You did not need to convince us. It was the easiest. Yes,
I facetimed this one the second you parted.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
We just never think someone as cool and talented and
busy as you is going to come spend time with us,
and so we are so happy that you did because
we have to tell you Morning Show is like it's
one of those things where it's one of the only
things I get, like super excited to wake up. I'm like, oh,
there's a new one, and now that we have all
of them to binge, Sorry y'all, y'all don't but but

(01:18:18):
we'll still be keeping updated and it's just as much
fun as it is every year. And if I only.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Came on this podcast for one reason, it was to
watch you guys Connect Morning Show, the new iPhone, Taylor's
Fist album on the color of orange.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Well that all happened, aw Mike, But we did get
we did get it right, and hey, we got all
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
And then you hitting it with the iconic whoever said
orange is the new pink seriously disturbs.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
I mean I saw truly hannus Angora sweater.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
I talked her how to buy the most truly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Okay, well, maybe we have to come back and talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
This is rather Spoon Morning Show Season four us out now,
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hear the rest of that, do yourself a favor and
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