"Crushes, Enemies, and the Press" (w/ Pat Regan)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look man, oh, I see you? Why why and look
over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding don
less cultures calling. It's sort of a fraud tense atmosphere
because our guest is threatening to infiltrate the podcast in
he said, quote unquote push and I'm just like very

(00:21):
nervous because I said, if you give a mouse a cookie,
he's going to want a glass of milk. That's actually
rulal culture number forty eight. If you give a mouse
a cookie, he's going to want a glass of milk,
and more and more and more afterwards when she enough?
When will it be enough? Can you just answer that question? Well,

(00:41):
according to famous Feeball, that is written to teach us
all a lesson about human nature and control and portion
control and control now more than ever and now more
than ever, portion control is important. I think I'm in
with an amazing take. I'm in because I'm trying to

(01:03):
just have like, what is the most comedic choice to
make in terms of pushing and if you the best
comedic choice is whatever choice you make and nour breaking
the fourth wall and I'm gonna go ahead and speak
to Canadas is actually who's winning me over this season?
By breaking the fourth I think, I leave my whole
fourth wall moment and don't take a second of it
out amazing. When we talked about this three separate episodes,

(01:24):
including this one, it was it gets in a word
for most iconic fourth hole breaking. Well little the moment
I keep talking about it is when she like she's
facing Gil, she goes, what are you doing? And then
she turns to the camera. We do right now. I
love it and I love I love when the show
decides to sort of tilt the camera one way to
show another camera and then you think, Okay, we're in
a different space for in a different one, and that's

(01:44):
them saying, like, now, what we're talking about and what
we're commenting on is the process of making reality television
and that is best taking. So you consider all this
fourth world breaking of Lost Coach, like we we we
really tried to do our We tried to do our thing,
our little your top a little up to a little tip.
You try to embrace your traditions in your history by
doing you know what you do up top. But sometimes

(02:08):
someone comes in and really pushes in and takes the
glass of the milk. That's the thing, is like what
I said right before was if we give him this
in and he will take a whole he will take
over the podcast, which I know is what some readers
really can. I tell you something. I posted the trailer
for my Showtime comedy special Matt Rogers, have you heard
of Christmas? And Pat Regan is very much at the

(02:30):
top of the trailer. More comments about Pat Regan being
in the trailer than the trailer itself. People will, people
are gonna watch, Millions are gonna watch because of Pat Regan. Honey.
All that matters is people are going to watch your right,
and that's why I cast him. I'm using him just
like I'm using him today to promote my special. You're
supporting your supporting role. I'm so upset introduce him. Yeah.

(02:51):
Our guest today is of course the Cost of the
Sea Treatment podcast. He's a writer for Hacks and going
on three seasons now, and not everyone makes it from
room to room. Room culture is extremely difficult, very political,
especially when you work for you know, the best in
the biz, and so there's a lot of turnover. But
not with our quick little Cat, Our little Cat, well,

(03:12):
we love him so much. She's a beloved fixture on
the podcast. And his absence is always felt. You know
him from his upcoming projects, which included Matt Rogers, Have
You Heard of Christmas? And which he has a supporting role.
It's so wonderful. First of all, Mike cutting the trailer
is a little whatever. But what are you talking about?
Why are you dragging my trailer. I'm not dragging your trailer.

(03:32):
I'm dragging my performance because the trailer. But then you
dragged my director. So let me tell you something. When
you come from your performance, when you come from your
performance to anything, you drag the director. You dragged the project,
You dragged the creator. So you just sat here. You
sat here and played in my face and keep my
fourth wall in. I need Eric where where we need Eric?

(03:54):
On call on the ready this whole episode, because I
just feel like Eric is gonna be brought in. You
were studying in the trailer. You were studying in the trailer.
I was most importantly studying on the trailer. December two,
Pat Reagan is in Matt Rogers, Have Your Herd of Christmas?
And well, the thing is like they all knew that
because of course deadline announced, but didn't the announced Pat

(04:17):
as that was a big secret. You know, I'm wondering
if whatever, I'm not gonna you're not gonna drive. I'm
not gonna talk about the press today. I don't have
to talk about my crazy relationship with the press. Today.
I'm gonna taking my relationship with the press, and please
welcome to our guest. Can you talk about your relationship
with the press. Can you elaborate with your relationship and

(04:37):
be honest? Okay, well, the press never acknowledges me as
a person, and then when they do, they do choose
to kind of they find her little ways and we
actually I can't, you know, I just want to really
talk about my relationship with the press. So I can't
be that person who's always talking about the relationship with
the press, but mom being so ironic and like joking
about it, which is what's so crazy. It's not that
because so the Julio Torres that did when he was

(05:00):
on the podcast recently that all pop stars have three eras,
which is um, circus, surveillance, and Christmas. But I think
a fourth one, which I don't think it's in disurveillance,
is press relationship totally. Well, this is an important way.
It's a subsect. I don't think so you don't think
so reputation is pressed, it's not surveillance. Okay, you're right,
you know what I'm saying. So what is our surveillance album?

(05:22):
Then I think surveillance is a subset of press. So
what you're doing is you're saying Julio was wrong. No,
let's not. And this is press right now, this is
we're in the Heart radio building. Yes, we are in
this building. That's really harkening back to yesteryear. Yes, it's
interesting talk about how it harkens back to yester year

(05:44):
because we all were an agree about this when we
went walked down the hallway. Well, it's just like from
that time when like offices were made to have ping
pong tables and like and that was kind of groundbreaking
and like bright color is and like interest. Didn't you
want to work at one of those places? Of course
I did, and don't do. I would get on my
name if someone told me I could stuck talk to
work at BuzzFeed in two thousand, I'd have a gucci

(06:07):
um the song I played when I get to my news,
I could weavluu we even song. But even with nothing on,
I'm made you look Duke I'm not saying the song.
The second he stepped at the elevator degree and we
didn't know that I didn't know the song. He looked
at us a dog. Yeah, I have such relationship with
music where like I will sometimes really dellop into an album,

(06:30):
like this is my album on Delovan too. I did that,
of course with Midnights. But then I was like kind
of craving more so I searched for someone recommended to
me um like I listen to it for a first
time on a run. And sometimes when you stand a run,
like you're not running for a someone around because you
need to know, like going ill, you don't know what

(06:52):
to think about, like should be thinking about my crushish
i'd be thinking about like my enemy, should be thinking
about like my relationship with crushes, enemies and the press.
If this isn't a future star, I have no idea. Well,
you know, I'm a scorpio, so enemies pressed really my major,
my major relationship, and the same over here the press

(07:14):
was talking trushers enemies on the press title about what
were you talking about? Ized with the guy brandam the
divide the cultural divide between October and November scorpios. What
are you saying? You and I are sitting across from
each other right now, right, and we're connected for life
because we're Scorpios, but we're also divided such different experiences

(07:35):
because of that divide, and there's smaller amount, but you're
literally cut. So that's what I said. And then guys said, no,
you're not. And he can be very argumentative. He can
be very toxic and argumentative. I'm so happy, so hard
to go to be beaten up every day psychologically. He's

(07:55):
saying that it's it's pure binary. There's no such thing
as an in between October and November. But I I
was used to identify as a cusp Scorpio. That you're not. Yeah,
And so that's where guy was coming was that place
of no. So your guy both reside in the place
of no. You and you come towards me from that
place and that's cool, that's okay, But you're both a
member scorpio. So what can I expect? And that's actually

(08:15):
very characteristic. Yes, you know what I think it don't
SOT is doing this waste up dancing and it's actually
really good. Well, can I just say background on this?
This is the biggest song on TikTok for gay people.

(08:38):
And if you don't have TikTok and are not a
gay person, you do not know the song. It does
not exist. It is not a this is this is
I'm telling you if we were to go on my
TikTok right, because that's your TikTok. No, no, it is TikTok.
I page. I think what happened was like TikTok has
decided showing it's a real culture umber forty nine. I

(09:03):
just say that nine right after well my my fy
p is like giving that one Megan train or something,
which I swear to God is not a hit. We
only it's a household name song if you're gay on TikTok.
And then there's a there's a dance to it, and

(09:24):
I was even thinking this is how TikTok has infected me.
I even thought about learning the dance and posting it.
But then I was like, there has to be some twist.
I can't just earnestly do this train. Maybe you can,
but maybe you can, and maybe is that very millennial
of me to be like earnest No, I think millennials
are not earnest or are they no. I think millennials
are like very ironic and like, you know, and so

(09:46):
that's why I feel like we all have like, uh
like a sensitivity to like watching people like expose themselves earnestly.
You know what I'm saying. I would say gen Z
has that too. I don't know what jen Z is.
Jen Z has an anxiety. I will, but like millennials
kind of came in and they're like they took anxiety
and they're like, this is gonna be our thing exactly.

(10:06):
I feel like millennials are like we're saying what our
damages out loud, and like gen Z is like whatever
they're doing the d we actually don't care that much
because burned it down. We've actually grown up in a
world where we've heard all the stuff and it's like stop.
You know. I was surrounded by gen Z this weekend
in Boston, and Boston I was surrounded by gen Z.

(10:27):
No my cousins because I stayed at their house because
they live in Boston, and they're my youngest cousins and
they're all from eighth grade to senior because they're spread
and they're three and there. And so when I saw
them at a wedding like a couple months ago. I
told them I saying at their house and I was like,
oh my gosh, I carry Amanda, Samantha Charlotte. And then
the oldest one, who is a senior, looks at me

(10:49):
blankly and they go from Sexton City, Sex and six
Girls and she goes, I've never watched that and known
I've known as ever watched that. Oh that was a
power play and it was huge. It was cool. It's
the look in the head tilt. Yeah, the head tilt.
What's her show where she gets to find out what
women really said? I don't know. You know, I did

(11:09):
say the sex lives of college girls because I got
news for you. Women aren't really saying that girl sex
sex lives of college girls. Maybe I have to hold space.
I'm going not not nervous isn't the word, But you know,
I hope I deliver an amazing podcast episode. What where
did that come from? I think because your readers are

(11:30):
so kind to me that I'm like, I hope I
can go there before the ceiling is high. The floor
is high as well, I know, but also it's like
I want to give them what they want. You are
giving them what they want by even being here. I
guess I'm just flustered and befuddled that this is even
where this is gone because the fact that we now
have to call you and take care of you a
favorite thing to do with coddling. That's not what we're doing.

(11:52):
It's not even what we're doing. No, but Pat is
wearing a ups brown because guess what he's delivering. Oh
my god, is that what we're calling a ups That's
really good, bro, I got this in your hometown of Denver,
Colorado comedy or Aurora, Colorado or Collins, Colorado. Oh that's
not Colorado, some of my Wyoming or your hometown, and

(12:13):
that's fair. Much of Montana is your home, not much
of mine. What would you call Englewood your hometown of Jason, Englewood,
Englewood Town Adjason. Yeah, there are exerts of Denver that
I've never even seen, never breathed the air there, So
in some ways verified. When will you return to Denver
this year at Christmas time? Why where do we ask? Well?

(12:33):
Because I have a show in Denver, like Taylor Swift
right exactly, you're coming. Yes, you're taking after them by
doing that, I'm taking after Taylor Swift, I'm following in
their lead. Victor carlss. No, there's so many comedians I
don't know nowadays, and then I've learned about them and
I'm upset. Josh Sharpen are going to start a new
live show in New York because I want children. No,

(12:56):
it's one because I'm like, oh, that part of my
brain is atrophied. I need to like eat do like
a full yes, and I need to get this going
again because I remember liking it even though it wasn't
that good at it. I was like, let me just
work the muscle again. And also just to get the
kids in. Yeah, because I don't even know who they
are anymore. Now. People ask me like, oh, I'm in
New York, who should I who should I go see?
Who should I book on my show? Who did it?

(13:17):
And I'm like, oh, wow, the girls are not the
girls anymore, you know what I mean? Now they're all
scattered about. I'm still I'm like literally like a Vicky
gun Wilson figures like still I'm still in the scene
as like truly, like all of my contemporaries have moved
on and up for it, and I'm just kind of
of course, famously, Vicky gun whistles a narrative is all
the people she was on the show with the beginning

(13:37):
are now huge stars. That's her. What was like the
real O g who they wanted the show to be around.
The O C was it? Um oh, I would have
thought it was Vicky, to be honest. And then there
was another one though there was season one. Oh my god,
that's gonna be high. It was well Gina Gina Key.
I love her and will willingly die for her unless,

(13:59):
like Shane Key know she had a hot sun. She
had a hot and the cover thing. The Brobo producers
really tried to make it seem like her son and
another housewife might fuck. I mean they remember them like
filming them like in Gina's grotto because obviously had a grotto,
and was there a lower third that said Gina's Grotto.
I don't think they were like they weren't smart enough.

(14:20):
It wasn't like nowadays, well there will they'll be a
little on third, which is like Andrew Harrington and her
husband on the bottom of the site and quotes grown
ass ma'am just back then didn't know how to win.
They did not because they were too earnest, but I
almost like that. I almost like that, do you know
what I mean? Son? Fucking one of the Housewives is
very like v o c as in. The show was
literally giving desperate house That was what it was trying

(14:42):
to do and to be to make you feel all right.
So that's why they did that. And it was like
Joe because the original Housewife had one person in the
lineup was a truly twenty three year old fiance, I
stay at home fiance, and that was Joe Dela ROSA
gorgeous girl by any but not but not ultimately what
the franchise would give us. And we'd say we were

(15:03):
looking no, but they wanted her to be kind of
an evil longer. It was very much. They came in,
they put up like a corkboard, they put up you know, flity,
and was Vicky sort of the Felicity Huffman. I don't
know who they might have wanted Vicky to be. I
think she was her own thing and that's why she succeeded.
And that's what I want to say to everyone listening
to the podcast. If you want us succeed, be your

(15:23):
own thing. You have to push into your originality, right
Bowen and I and right, Pat and I think that
you have to really stand out as yourself, don't try
to be anyone else, and to kind of say something
that I invented in a phrase that I coined, Um,
being yourself is your superpower. And that's a phrase that
I did write down for the first time and published widely.

(15:46):
And Okay, but for real, to really start the podcast,
what superpower would you have if you could have any superpower? Um?
I thought about this all the time as a child. Well,
downstairs you said one thing, you wanted to have catwoman clause,
So you can because we weren't popped in a glass
chamber that I don't know bought my or glass chamber,
and we were walking down the hallway and like, my
heart has this super fun feature where when you walk

(16:07):
down the hallway, music plays a million different radio stations. Yeah, yeah,
every time I didn't even, I didn't even. I think
that's what I think of them as being radio that
is that's that's ok. Yeah, So every time you walk by,
if you walk one inch, actually a different kind of
chuck starts playing kind of cacafany of was a really

(16:29):
good word for it. And then it's all white. So
I did say it harkened back to um when when
I'm cameramber was walking through the white and a white
jumps to and she looks back and you see just
her face. And that was their way of getting through
that portion of the heist or whatever they're doing. But
and then there was a glass wall, and I remembered
when I was little, so small as I just he's

(16:52):
really going back. I was watching Batman cartoon and I
was wating Batman. I remember, oh my gosh, I'm having
some of my memories. Thank god, this is the place
last culture, the place to dump memories. And you know,
Catwoman had to steal something because that was, you know,
her job, that was how she made her money. Very
much a vigilant and so she put her nails up

(17:14):
against the glass and just rotated them in a perfect circle.
Came out of the glass and she reached and grabbed
like a necklace or something. Yeah, and then I'm sure
they didn't share this in the show, but I'm sure
she would sell that neck class yeah, probably, and make
her family to start some savings and you put a
down payment down somewhere, you know. I just rewatched that

(17:35):
man returns one with Catwoman, which in this then just
pull this one out of my app It wouldn't be
random to talk about like a different Batman series from
what we've been discussed saying it wouldn't. It wouldn't have
been like, how do you get there? Are talking about
Batman and Robin Well, I'm really going to be here.
I'm just jumping from really one Catwoman film to the

(17:56):
other Catwoman sorry project, which is Batman. Hearns and because
I don't really recognize other Catwoman's, I do love Anne
and I think often and was mother for that? Yeah,
she left, she was she was not a single the
whole like those heels hurt and then she kicks the
guy in the balls. I don't know. Oh my god,

(18:18):
I never saw that. But I will say one thing
I hate is what I call like Marvel humor, which
is a yeah. And I'm someone who's deeply entrenched in
the Marvel universe. Say we were, we were saying this
on Stradio Lab that Marvel Humor is like the successor
to like random Sauce Ship. It's Marvel Humor is scarred
Joe like fighting like a bunch of guys and then
like her phone rings and she hey, kind of busy

(18:39):
right now. They literally did that in Charlie's Angels. Cameron
invented that. Cameron invented that. Hey, I really like that guy. Yeah,
I wish had stormed into the Marvel breaking her retirement
into that movie instead of the Marvel. I invented that,
And suddenly the multiverse is open because Scarlett Johansson as
Black Widow is fighting um Natalie A. Cameron Diaz as

(19:00):
Charlie's Angel, and that would have been the multiverse for me.
That would have been the fact multiverse. I need it.
But they would never do that. They would never hundred
Did you guys cry during Endgame? Yeah? I cried two

(19:21):
times against all against my better judgment Angels. Yeah, but
I was stoned with Jok and Booster. Was it the
iron Man of it all? It was the funeral. It
was so for me it was I remember It's also
the cliff, the cliff that was That was the first
one that was No, that was the end game. I
believe it was dying. Yeah, it's like no, it's like
halfway through, Dame us Speedy. You're right, because you're shocked

(19:44):
when you're hanging for the movie and YPS showing no.
I actually think scar j Blackwadow dying was no, it wasn't.
We cannot as three men of gay statue, Yeah we can't.
We can't men of gay stature, as in, gayness is
a stuff. The reason why I think we can talk

(20:07):
about it is because we have to get to the
bottom of this. Because I remember when I saw Endgame
in the theaters. I'm sitting there with Greta and Abe,
and I remember Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow spoiler Riller
dies like literally less than halfway through the movie, and
I turned to Greta and I was like, why the
funk am I here to watch these to watch these
guys do the rest of this? Like come on, I'm

(20:27):
getting I'm getting her mixed up with Green Lady. Yeah yeah,
oh mom, Yeah, well she's about to come back in
the way of water. I can for avatar to the
way of what the last thing and this is gay
leaning though it does, I did not want to come
in and talk about Dave Wasson and I've seen enough

(20:49):
because give this gay leaning podcast is officially gay um,
you know, because they had that moment that was amazing
for women in the final fight sequence when all the
women come together and just happened to be on the
same girls. They literally should have play that. And then
scar Joe, who was such a woman of these films,

(21:10):
like doesn't get to be in the Crazy Ladies shot.
You know, I know that sucked. There's a scarlet shaped
hole and that absolutely which is a gorgeous hole. I
might say, people, Batman, you're talking Aboatman returns, Yeah, I
was talking about what were you going to say? Oh,
I think I was going to say. I think I

(21:31):
was going to say that movie was so she was
so mother for that that one but one has but
one has really become obsessed with the phrase so mother
So funny. Where did you get that? Did you get
it from the culture? I know it's so funny to
repurpose that. Oh, it definitely is. Sarah Sherman and I
want to write a step over all baby Birds and

(21:52):
we're like, wait, what is like like just like like
the mother bird, like vomiting up like a worm for us,
and like you you're not mother for that? That seems
like it has clear three beats. Absolutely it's gonna carry that.
The out is so perfect. We're like you, like our
house is made of sticks and ship. We're going in
the week. So at the political institution that is Saturday

(22:14):
Night Live, is it's sort of like dancing in the
street now that the midterms are over and it's gone
fell well for the dames. Yeah, where everyone is sucking
and fucking. Yeah. I haven't sucked. Actually haven't either. Yeah
that's not true. I haven't felt something while I've had. Yeah,
I don't like it. And I'm actually on record on

(22:35):
this podcast as saying sometimes I'll wake up by myself
and I don't know what happens. I like blink my
eyes awake in the middle of the night, and I'll
have like a craving to suck cock. Yeah, and I'll
turn to my left and positive there's someone else there,
and then there's not, and I'll be like, magic, that's
my dreams saying to me. And then I go to
beout it and I wake up and I'm like, I
forget it. But I but then when it's actually happening

(22:56):
and I actually have the opportunity and it's and it's
literally actually in process, I'm like, well, I'd rather die
than do this for one more second. Yeah, I know,
that's so funny recently, I said, I said, I don't
know if I'm gay. I know you are. It's like
that David Sadaris thing that he did on sixty Minutes.
I didn't see oh he oh. People were angry because

(23:17):
he was like, I liked, I want to say it
this terrible David Donald duck. He was like, I want
to say, I'm here to announce that I'm straight, because
I'm not, like I hate. He basically was like, I
hate the term queer. It was one of those things
sometimes I'm like, why do people care about anything? Well,

(23:38):
because remember the queer was like only used as an insult,
and also it's like it's like a trigger even when
it first became the thing just too umbrella term queer
for the lgbt Q plus community. I was kind of like, oh,
that doesn't sit right in my spirit because it was
such a negative thing all my life. And then I
feel like now I'm over at whatever. But I can
understand someone of David's Aris this generation, being like, oh,

(24:01):
I don't know about queener, right, Yeah, yeah, well I
will say that. I actually recently was talking with lesbian,
older lesbian, and this lesbian was mother, and she said
that whenever she hears it, because that was touch like
you would It was literally, let's come up with a
new word. Oh my god, was the energy? Should it
just be like three dollar bill like she is so

(24:21):
three dollar bill? Yeah? Yeah, maybe three dollar bill feels
exclusive to gay addicts? Why because yeah, not even addict? No,
I do you think it would be mother to um
have a show at three dollar bill? Like I was
looking at the space three dollar I felt like, because

(24:44):
I'm thinking about creating a new show with a new concept.
He just desided that, like right before, right after you
just said you and Josh you and met the shows.
My friend says he's starting a new live show, and
then imagine my position. That puts me end where then
my other friend says he's starting right after. That's not

(25:04):
a cool position to be in. And whose side do
you want? I need to This is not a cool
position for him. This is a do you guys watch
you love is blind? No? I hear it's so wild? Yeah,
I mean what, it's just truly more of the same.
It's just truly more of the same in a good way.
But at one point when there are girl and a

(25:25):
guy or in a fight and she says like no, bro,
don't do that or something like that. It's like it's
every straight girl's dream. It's like to be in a
relationship with a guy and then in a fight and
call him bro because it's like I'm actually a cool
girl and like whatever, it's so tristated culture, bro, Like
you can't do that, bro, like a straight girl just
like weaponizing the word in that way. It's like, I know,

(25:46):
but it is interesting. You know, Love is Blind is
actually should win a Pulitzer Prize for like their exploration
of a certain type of straight woman, because it really
is interesting. Um, just this kind of woman who's going
to go in those pods tomind a husband is like
it's a different thing from the boutch law. It's different
because the bachelor, at least at this point, is like
more it's a different kind of woman. It's a woman

(26:07):
who is more invested in a certain kind of Instagram
and love is Wine. People want Instagram followers too, don't
get me wrong, but they also to me seem almost
even more genuinely interested in finding a version of love
and being a certain kind of straight girl. There. I
don't know, actually I likely tracked all this because I
can't quite articulate off to think more. I think this

(26:28):
every now and then, Like I thought that with what show?
Is that the spinoff show? Oh? I didn't. I didn't
want to. That's interesting because you're meeting the couples from
episode one, Yeah, and you already see like the way
that they operates. It's interesting. I have to say, Vanessa
La really upsets me on the show. It's because she

(26:48):
gets very involved. Um, I just don't like her performance races.
But I but you know, that's okay to say. But
you know who is wonderful who I'm obsessed with and
I keep wanting to run into her in the building
is Alex Wa Have you watched them all? And not yet?
Oh my god, my cousins, the girls we made to watch.

(27:11):
Are you just in Boston with with cousins? Those my
younger cousins. Don't know about them all. You couldn't know
about my I know, I know, I will watch them all.
I just keep being in the place where I'm like not,
you know, you have sometimes to take on more people
into your life, like you need to be in a
certain place where you're ready to invest, of course, And
I think I just haven't been ready to invest in

(27:32):
the people on the mall for some reason. I don't
know why. I mean, I'm gonna watch this. Joel says
it's unbelievable. It really is. I will watch it. I will.
It's one of those things. And I don't think this
happens rarely, but like me, Bowen and Joel are all enthusiastic.
I'm gonna watch it. And I think also to redirect
and answer your question, if you wanted to meet Alex Wagner,
I think all you have to do is make a

(27:53):
quick call. I don't want to like arrange anything. I
just want to run into and just wait. We should
be like, hey, is it cool if if Bowen says
hi to Alex Wagner, She's like, okay, cool meet on
this floor and then she arrives and it's a podcast
set up with us and then and that would be
a mother and Alex Wagner would actually be interesting to have.

(28:13):
She would be amazing to have on the She would
be amazing. That's like when I did um a sketchphrase
A there was like in the room next to me,
but it was like rooms that were just curtains, you know,
And I saw the curtain room. Next to me was
lu andellus up. So I've never met and so I
was like, I do want to meet her, and so
I told like the pret was like I want to, like, yeah,

(28:34):
you you told us the story of story, the story
week before we ever even were interested in house. I
know you said the story of Luke. You you've done
us an important kindness. Thank you and I'm serious, my god,
he mean. And then I felt like we got you're
pissing me off. Okay, we'll keep going. One second way

(28:54):
from getting up, taking off my mic and leaving. Did
you learn that was she diva whinning? You met her? Um?
It was funny and I will I hope it's okay
to say this is like was my experience of Blue.
So first of all, you know, it's a big kind
of warehouse space, and we all knew Lou. We all
meaning me, knew that Lou was coming at some point
and she was shooting afterwards, and so it was kind
of like a quiet onset moment. It was like they're

(29:16):
shooting something and then all of a sudden you heard
literally as the horse was walking in like clop clop,
and it was Lou and walking in with a puffer
holographic jacket on and like a news boy cap and
address under and she was walking in with her team
in the loudest shoes ever in it like you know
how it's like like it's the same flour as as
like a costco, you know what I mean, and her

(29:36):
shoes and like it was a big space. It took
her so long to cross the space that they had
to kind of like stop shooting, I feel all and
then whatever they go back on, they started shooting again.
I'm sitting next to dear friend of the pod deer castmate,
and have you heard of Christmas? Joe Firestone? And we
hear another clop all of a sudden again for another

(29:59):
like seven minutes, it's lou She's like put herself down
and she's coming to look at Crafty and she's like
what they happened? And she kind of like Perus's Crafty
And then it goes back. Anyways, it was just like
you got to stop walking so far in those shoes.
And then afterwards I waited around specifically, and then finally,
like one of the producers, but like Lewin, this is Pat,

(30:21):
all of a sudden, she looked up you know when
you like all of a sudden have to say something.
You're like, oh, I actually have nothing. That just happening
with Kathy Hilton. Oh my god, So what did you say?
I said, I'm a huge fan. Yeah, what I said?
I just wanted to say a team Kathy. It was
the worst. You know, one time I was at I
have to say, I think it was the contended Elton

(30:41):
John oscar party because it was in like two thousand eight,
Well on Beverly Hills was litigated. I think I was
at that one because you know, Jordan's firstman was there
and he had worked with Lisa Wrenna and I don't
even think he was a Housewives fan, but he knew
I was, and he was like, I'm gonna go to
Lisa Wrenna. Do you want to come? And I went over.
It was similar or like she obviously had things to

(31:02):
say with Jordan, but I didn't have really anything to say.
But you know, when you do just want them to remember,
you say something like so random that like you'll have
to remember it till the day she dies, like say,
truly a random collection of words that's always be like
that was so weird that person did that like in
um everything all the time at once or whatever, I
would do something really random like that that everything all
the time. I want doing everything all the time. I

(31:26):
want something random special powers. I was like wanting to
do something like that. So she would always be like,
oh my god, that person like that said that crazy thing,
and now I have hot dog fingers. Yeah, like you,
Matt seems to quit that humor with Marvel humor. Perhaps
I think this is the best humor. You're confusing that

(31:50):
with the best humor. This coffee is doing bad things
to me. I feel like I'm ruining me. Know, I'm
literally my god, the way that you should have been.
No kidding, Wait what did you what did you say?
What did you say? So? I just was like, Hi,
First of all, you don't like a woman wears glasses

(32:12):
and all of a sudden they feel too big for
her face or something for sure? That yeah, yeah, I
know I only think about women, ever, So that is
what I if a man had too big of glasses
would be like, Okay, groundbreaking. You didn't know how to
dress yourself and how to put anything on your face.
You accessorize badly, novel, Wow, go straight to the news. Yeah,

(32:34):
go straight to the cress. Oh my god. Anyways, so
I just kind of like I said that. Then we
kind of stood in silence. I didn't know what to say.
I just kind of stood there, and then I was like,
why better be going? And she was like, okay, Bye.
It's just so hard because you want to meet these
people and see them, but then like it's like, what
do you talk about? You know? You know what, the
three of us don't have the common been on Z way,

(32:55):
been on Z Way, not been on, pointing to myself,
you've been on, you've both been on early. Yeah, that's
crazy that we actually helped build her empire, and it
feels like I don't get the invitation even though I'm
her network sister. That sorry, just feels shady to me.
Angel has also been on. Yeah, it feels like a
complete rage. Yeah, you're being erased every every day period.

(33:20):
But some day soon I have an idea. I asked
the universe for it. I literally begged the universe. I
begged the universe every day. Um watch when I go
on and she like absolutely destroys my character, and I'm like, well,
I shouldn't have begged for this one. No, No, that's not.
I always say when I've gone on in her in
her real it's always just in a sketch capacity where

(33:42):
you've never been interrogated. Yeah, I've been interrogted in the
way that Bowen has. But maybe one day. Now, what
do we think about? What you're gonna say? What was
the culture that man? You said? Do you have a
new answer? Um? What have I said? What are you
going to say? What do we think about white lotus?

(34:03):
If you know me, I I white lotus. I always
have this relationship with the word. I'm always like, okay,
I'll watch it. I'm like, wait, what Like, I'm just
get so confused. Sometimes I think it's a wonderful show.
I celebrate confused about it. Okay, I'll always watch it
like a little bit after everyone else, like always both
seasons and um, have you watched this season yet? I

(34:25):
have watched this season. I'm up today with this. Except
for the final timinants of the most recent episode, Oh
we're there there, Yeah, we're like, you know, who's mother? Who?
Also the they're being mother? And then also who's that
he is? The hot girl who's like yeah, so she

(34:45):
is killing the performance? I am telling you, how was
she at first of all, saying with mattetted that they
didn't know her name. I'll give you the back story.
So several years ago I went to a Betty Who
concert at the Fonda with Jared. I remember this concert, yes,
because this ultimately was the concert where Jared and I
first hooked up. So we had been like seeing each

(35:06):
other as friends and then all of a sudden it
kind of dawned on us, like, oh, I think this
might actually be more than friends. And so I was
with Jared and a bunch of the bold type girls
were there was bull type. She was on the bull.
She was on the bull tide because so she has
this like legion of fans of people that were obsessed
with the bulld type and oh wait, wait, who are

(35:26):
we talking about? Megan Fayhey? But which one is she?
And my oldest and the lodest. She is Aubrey Plaza
is like the girl that so she plays dafnause second.
I worried when you started getting bull type with it.
I was like, I don't think she would be on
board type because like buld type is all like night.
This is my impression, this is what I think type,

(35:47):
having never seen it. It's like they're in like um
young person office, like the friend person office like this,
and they're like sitting like this. I'm kind of spreading
my arms like on the table. And then like why
Markton is like, are killing at this quarter? You're getting
at that promotion and she said, guess what You're going
to rocket on your day tonight? Girl? Yeah, and then

(36:07):
all right, cheers to cheers to getting what we want. Yeah,
that's like the quote opened. I think. I think in
a world where like AI eventually takes all our jobs
as writers and starts writing episodes, the AI would write
that as an episode of time like, but people truly
fucking love that, and so I don't mean to be
anything but lovely, I meanly so. So we actually also

(36:34):
met those girls at Vulture Fast when we were doing
the interview, so we've actually interacted with them several times.
But but Megan was at the Petty Who concert and
I had met her and she was very cool. So
to come to find out years later, I'm putting together
my Vulture fres show for Have You Heard of Christmas?
And I saw that Megan was doing like a white
Lotus panel earlier in the day, and I knew that
she was like an absolutely incredible singer because Jared had

(36:56):
sent me videos of her singing. So I had also
booked Eddie, who's separately. Betty text me and says, I'm
gonna come with Megan. She's actually one of my besties.
I was like, oh my god, that's so funny. So
then Megan comes to the sound check and she's the nicest,
loveliest runs through her stuff. She's got like a stunning voice,
and then we ended up doing sort of like a
duet o Holy Night. And I guess some people on

(37:19):
the internet like didn't know she could sing like that
because so now like that clip of her like slaying
down Holy Night, it's sort of like popping off. And
I have to say I told her, I was like,
you are kicking my ass on White Lotus and she
was like, just wait, it gets so goofy and crazy
and like it gets so good, and I was like,
it's just cool. Nice to meet someone who's like really

(37:41):
super talented and nice and having adore her. I didn't.
I walked into White Lois having no idea who anyone
was this season. This cast wasn't like stars. Yeah, I mean,
I haven't that's that's why they're not stars. But I
mean they're not household names like they felt like the
first yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And the guy from Girls

(38:02):
probably is the most famous person on episodes Jennifer cool. Yeah.
Let me think. We watched the first episode, we saw
Christopher from Sopranos get there with his son or whatever,
and then the next scene his sums like at the
pool and he meets like the younger girl at the assistant.
I said, that would be cool if he was like
my dad was on the Sopranos. In the second scene

(38:25):
we see that he's playing himself. It's actually Michael imperially Aristo.
I love that. So I have this watch it a
little bit after everyone else, and it's a show that
gets talked about and gets like lifted up and praised,
which I agree with and um, but then I always
I'm like, wait, has it takes me a second to
get into it? Every year? Every both years. I remember

(38:45):
when I watched. I watched the first scene with my
fee but I was like, this is not a conversation
that humans would have where it's like, hey, are you
guys just getting her from your vacation? After all, I'm
just leaving mine? Are you having friends so far? Anyways,
it's a crazy resort. Anything you're gonna die, they're gonna
have to drag you out of here. Yeah, and say,
well I have to I have to run. Since my vacation,

(39:05):
I was but one final swim and then I literally
thought when that was happening, I was like, oh, was
she going to get in by a shark or something
like what's happening to mama? And then when she bumped
into that body, and when she bumped into that body
in the sea, yeah, well I was like, this is
the best case scenario. It's like because she's actually fine. Yeah,
well she's traumatized for life. Okay for mere number seven hundred,

(39:28):
number seven twelve. If you bump into a body, you're
ultimately fine. But you were telling me like the performance
that it was so amazing, like when she like, it's
so totally you know, it was just very like what
that would be like, you know what I mean. I
was like, yeah, because probably you read that and you
think it's giving like a body, But there was like

(39:51):
this like mixture of emotions and processing that she was doing,
which I was like, come on, talent was actually mother
for this is Valentina. Is that the hotel? Man? My god,
she is giving everything towards me, everything towards me, And
I do think in this most recent episode, it's like
one of her subordinates goes up to her and it's like,

(40:12):
you're amazing. I know. Is this repeat of what they
did last it's interesting with Yeah, maybe if it is,
I won't actually care. I wouldn't mind it. I think
all they're trying to get out with that is that
she's really lonely and underappreciate it. And I think that
she's probably stressed out a lot of the time. So
when this person comes up to her and gives her

(40:32):
a genuine complement, it's like, okay, let me find the words.
That is like an affirmation of YouTube. Okay. And that
was weird because then they show her eating her lunch
with the cast. But I was just gonna say I
loved that little scene. Kittens. Yeah, it's not the it's
not in the final town and eating her lunch out
of her type of ware, like in the street alone

(40:52):
and she's feeding these two little kittens and it's like something.
So it's kind of lovely too, because it's like she's
doing like a like a nice Benevo the thing for
the cats, but like she's so short with everyone else
in her life because you can tell this is a
person that's just like I'm sucking done with human beings
because I have to deal with the worst subset of humanity,
which is the worst white people from America who have

(41:13):
all this money to come here and like have like
a fucking experience here. And it's just so that's kind
of like I gesk the thesis of what the whole
show is for me. Yes, I agree. This season, I
feel like the thesis is like I don't know if
I'll be able articulated, but I do think there's this
theme of like just people like of different depths trying
to connect with each other and being unsure. Like everyone's

(41:33):
like like reaching in the dark trying to connect with
everyone else, and no one really is understanding anyone else's
internal world, and it's very difficult to like connect with
someone or something. Yeah, what I like about it is
it's truly about like almost like self control when it
comes to like carnal desire in terms of like what
is and is not expected or if it's expected or accepted,

(41:56):
Like why is that, and I feel like there's this
thing that happens on occasion with people, which is this
is another reason why I like white lotus is because
when you were put in a situation where you're like, okay,
it's time to relax, that's where your mind goes to
sort of crazy places, don't you think, Like sometimes when
I'm on vacation, it's hard to let your defenses drop

(42:16):
away and just like sit in a chair and enjoy
the sun, because then you're alone with your thoughts, and like,
crazy things happen, especially when you're with people that are
close to you, Like I feel like tensions have risen
a couple of times when we've been on vacations together. Yes,
my guys, go ahead and get into that. We had
an argument in spring. Yeah, what was the argument? I

(42:38):
remember when we were at dinner and um, yes, that
was the one had told me one time that I
should examine that about something that I thought, Oh you
know what it was. I was still following. I was
following someone I shouldn't have been following on Instagram. And
I said that, and you said, well, you should examine that,
And at that time I didn't call it out, although
I felt it was condescending. So then we were at
dinner months later and Bowen said something and I was like, well,

(43:00):
maybe you should examine that down and was like, why
did you say that. She's like, it's about it. Did
you know about the thing? I don't know. If I
recognized it as a callback, I think I would recognize that.
I think it was just when it's someone like your
best friend, because in Mexico City suity and I kind
of had oh, I remember that was not And but

(43:22):
I feel like it's just an everywhere you go there
you are a kind of thing. And that's what the
show is about. It's tiny, little little micro things that
then when you have the space to room it in
on them, things come out. So I feel like, especially
with like Aubrey Plaza's character and her let's just say
it absolute smoke show. The name is um Will Sharp.
They clearly think they have this great relationship because they communicate,

(43:46):
but then there's like no chemistry between them actually, and
so that now that's coming to a head. You can
see in the final episode of this of this episode
which you probably were not, she's like on the phone
trying to call him, and she's realizing he's not picking
up and she's in her head because she's like on
an edible or whatever, and she's like sitting alone and

(44:07):
being like, maybe this is where I start to realize
my relationship is actually not what I thought it was
because we're not fucking and now he's not answering my call.
And the last thing I had was that we communicated
about everything. Yes, yes, and has a great little moment
when she's on her edible and she just like goes,
you'll you'll, you'll be obsessed. You know, you could say I,

(44:27):
I don't say it because I want to know which
part you're talking about where she was just where um
Aubrey's like do you think, oh yeah, maybe once that
I know about, And then she was like but I'm
not a victim because like how do you handle that?
And all. Yeah. I really liked her the turn they

(44:48):
took with her character, and I loved it because that's
the only thing I'm waiting for with some of the characters,
like especially her husband, THEO James, the guy he plays him.
I'm just waiting for that character to become a little
a bit more complicated than it is right now, because
like what I loved about Megan Fayey's character was for me,
the moment of the episode was that monologue she has
about the elephants. Yeah, when she says, like, I would

(45:10):
never want to be a man. It's so lonely and
they really think they're doing something important in the world,
but really all they're doing is just walking it alone.
And then it cuts to them on the jet skis, which,
by the way, that sequence was that Comedy Budget loved it. Yeah,
Comedy Budget loved that. Mike White, I love I. Um,

(45:37):
you know, he's might. Of all this River seasons, there's
two that I've never seen in his as well. Wait, Pat,
that's one of the best seasons that everyone says, I
just got so tired of it during that time, the
late thirties. You haven't seen David vers Goliath. No, And
then like what happened was then I knew, Oh, it's
so good and it's so fun to watch him on it.
But what happened was now I know who because of

(46:00):
winters at war and then also which I can still
enjoy season when I know who won, but I also
know like what place Mike gets and I know what
I know what places the two girls who appeared in Yeah,
I know you have to watch it because it's actually
one of the funniest I've been episode going off on
Plus can be so dangerous because y'all st that's about

(46:22):
so dangerous because you'll find the most random master reality
so that they have like the back seasons. Anyways, they
have nine seasons available of Big Brother Canada, which is
like so good. It's better than us, and it's like
it's just in the Nationals always right, and it's also
just like it reminds me of older US. First of all,
Survivor Australia the peak of television watched you've seen this

(46:45):
season with Pia. He is my favorite, is the best
contest of all. I love her. I also love her girl.
I call her as you are. You should name her
actress Peter because that's what I In that season of
Australian Survivor, it was like people that are famous in
our country versus people that are not, and so I
guess was famous in their country and basically she was

(47:08):
actress Pia and they showed clips of her from her
famous acting roles only in Australia and then basically she
used her acting throughout the final tribal. She had to
convinced she has been using her acting. Yeah, she was like,
the way I used my acting was like this, And
then you saw don all over their faces that oh

(47:30):
my god, she's been using her acting this whole time.
She said, I've outwitted, outplied amazing Australia. It was. I
was actually so surprised, asked, I'll do crazy ship. I'll
try of talking like a British accent. It will come
out like lawless, no bad, except for actually, Land hasn't

(47:50):
really helped lebon Dukas broke my brain to the point
where now I and almost every sentence to be past.
My favorite conversation of her own is this really consequential?
One this most recent season between Tasha and Billy at
Coosa More, where Billy said to Tasha Billy's house, um

(48:11):
so Billy said to Tasha, um, I like you. You're
quite mature and she said, no, I'm not, and he said,
yes you are, and she said, I am to be
pad made you change your mind if you are, I
am to be fair. They end a lot of sentences

(48:31):
to be fair, just that one. No, no, they lend
they're always almost everything they say is to be fat. Yeah,
he's quite hot. To be bad, he's quite fit. To
be fair. It's important to be fair. It's more to
be there. You have to be fairer. When was the
time you can own up to being unfair? That's really
good fair. Yeah, that's really good. I can note up
to a lot of times that you and I have
had conflict. Matt and I. You're being unfair. I didn't.

(48:53):
I wasn't pushing you in the no, no, no, But
I'm considering, and I think sometimes I've been fair to you.
You're unfair to the ones you love. Yeah, that's because
they're a safe place. That's because you know they're not
going well. You know what's interesting When you got to
talking about fighting on vacation, I was like, I had
this moment where I was thinking, like, I don't know
that I have like vacation fight. No, I don't know
how to have vacation fights. But I don't know that
sometimes if I have like friends close enough to have

(49:15):
real fights with, you know what I mean? You also
have been yes, but you have also been in aship. Yes,
that is true. And when you guys think about your
vacations together, No, but that to me is different, like
traveling with someone reveals a lot. I'll say that yes, no, no,
I mean, but I'm more so mean, just like familial friendships.

(49:46):
Oh isn't it funny? Okay? So then at the end
of the Potomac episode last night, you find out they're
going to Miami. Yes, they literally go to Miami, and
it's honestly, they're in Miami. They're in Miami. Yes. Well,
I was saying, like, it was funny that we were
gathering today and I was wondering if because you would
have come and you would have stormed in the Norse today,
you would have walked down that i Heeart Hallway. The

(50:06):
radio would have been playing a million different stations because
of the frequency you were emanating, and you would have
been like, can you believe they went to Miami on
Potomac just like we're doing. Are y'all, what do you
think about Mia? I'm sure you've covered that. I mean
to laugh. I laugh every moment she's on screen, but
not like I do not like her as a person.
I think that she is chaotic and maybe even evil.

(50:28):
But I'm laughing every second she's on screen. Me and
Angela were laughing very hard last night because we were
watching and they were litigating if she was being attention
seeky with her medical health and so and then like
they kept to her confessional and her radical health, and
they got to her in a confessional in this like
you know all pink number that like, and the way

(50:52):
she was talking, she was like it was just so
presentation and it was it was as though she was
saying like the same tone people use. Went over a
hossife finds out she's going to be on Chicago on Broadway,
and she was like, so, I have a few lumps
growing in my body. But it was like really funny
because I was like, yeah, you are. The doctor said

(51:12):
it was cancer and then didn't. So I have these
lumps and we don't know what it is, but we
know they need to get removed. And we also know
that she's like, you guys can't see what she was
just like it wasting. She was gesticulating. Yeah, and then
she was not watching It happens Live last night and
it's with Renee rap who you know, it's like a
big house lies fan and you can tell that Renee

(51:33):
was navigating so hard. How do I co exists with
me on this panel? To very different energy. Yeah, but
it was a fun episode. It was it was actually
a fun episode. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Do you watch
to watch What Happens every night? I do? I I
it's my favorite show. Oh my god. So I was
ready to come in, like if I Becoming did come up,
I was gonna say, I almost count you guys, because

(51:54):
you like, I love Candace. But I was going to
say that I went balanced in person a Johnny completely convert, like,
I'm really like, she's having a really great season. Well,
she's the only grounded presence on the show this season.
I feel like she's the only one that's like able
to look around and be like, huh, like this is
not it, which is crazy. So we also need a
German word for when, like you haven't watched the House

(52:17):
season yet, but you've seen the discourse and so you
know who people are hating going into it. I look
to you to create this word. I don't actually mean
to make a German word. I can't. I don't know
the language that. Yeah, we're gonna call it bosh and
fruit and um, I think we've talked about this before. Like,
even when I know you're in the wrong, I still
like kind of stand by you. Yeah, and I do.

(52:39):
Like when I wrap with Canada, she said that I
watch what happens, like she goes ten down for Candice
every single time. That's cool. I like when someone has that.
And for me, one of those people is Robin. Oh no,
people don't like I am. Robin has gotten to the
point for me where I'm like, no, it doesn't matter
what she does from now once, she could solve world
hunger Anti Robin, I don't don't this season. I just

(53:03):
get her. It's been season a little so I like
when he was like, my husband's mad because I sleep
to two pm. But that's like what I want. It's like,
I just think she is so I find that so
I didn't try. No, I find that what I respond
to is that even when she's saying something wrong or
she is, you know, siding with Giselle in a way

(53:25):
that's confusing. I feel that I can tell that she
believes what she's saying, like I do think like even
when she's off base, she's earnestly off based, do you
know what I mean? Whereas Giselle, who I can let
I root for and I want to like, but it's
like the things she's saying, it's like, you don't even
believe this, you know, you're just saying is consistently manipulative

(53:46):
and vicious and obviously producing. And the way that's the show.
That's where I come from. With Renda too, It's like I,
if you earnestly came in and said, I believe that
this is true and this is what I'm saying, and
I'm like, this is my truth. And sure it's like
inflammatory and actually delusional, but whatever, but this is like
what I believe. I can't always get behind that, and
like see this woman grappling with her own internal world.

(54:08):
But when I can tell if they don't even believe
it and they're just saying it, that's when I'm like,
I don't care. Gazelle and Robin neither of them have
any conviction. Like Robin certainly has nothing to like really
fight for. Like even the thing with jan which is,
by the way, it's been installed in the same place
for three seasons, it's not interesting to me. And she's

(54:31):
most of the time to me, she is just Giselle's
little lackey. And then anytime someone sets her off, it's
usually Wendy and it's like it's so much. Ye, the
thing with Wendy is really crazy to me too, because
if you actually walk back why they even started to
have a problem, it's because Robin said that Wendy was loose,
not of substance, that she was like talking about her
body behind her back, and so all of these things,

(54:53):
and then she was like ten down for Giselle when
Giselle was bringing these stupid rumors about Wendy which obviously
are not true about Eddie eating onto the show. So
it's like all these things that are not grounded in
reality that you then threw it Wendy and now you're
mad at her for responding in a heated way to
the point where now you are like so immature in
dealing with it, like her at the winery, the way

(55:14):
that she was like I care, I don't care. Last
season she was like, oh I would go fund myself
that I'm like where. But I also believe that sometimes
I think that Wendy seems to be a little full
of ship sometimes and I think that they can clock

(55:35):
that and that gets frushing for them. I think we
saw that with you know, the hot mic moment after
the TikTok lesson dance lessons. I was just tripping actually
saying I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna host a TikTok
teaching TikTok dance teaching thing. And then they came in.
It was just like them learning tipping, which is cool,
but I've never seen a woman kind of do this
on TikTok the way they got like a drone into

(55:56):
that studio. Um, and so what was the hot moment?
So then, Wendy, it was the episode was titled stand
in Your Truth and because they stand in your Truth,
and then like the producer, I would love to know
the machinations of this moment. I would love to know
if the producer was doing this on purpose, like if
they knew that Mike was still on. But a producer

(56:17):
chased her said Wendy, Wendy, what do you think about Mia?
And she was like he had just said, like, Robin,
you called me a liar, you called me a liar
standing in her truth. I never called her a liar.
And then it cut to like the Wendy hot Mike
moment was we all know she's lying? Yeah, so's I
don't mind a hot mic moment that like it's like, oh,
you're not saying it to her face, but it feels

(56:37):
like a very intentional assembly of a character this season
that Wendy is doing like she's really she's lost. But
I felt lost with her last season, even I thought
I thought she earned that spot next to Andy. But
what I think is happening is unfortunately her only actual
friend on the show was Candice, and now it's feeling
a little bit like like she's feeling really iced out

(56:58):
of the group in a way that I feel is
bordering on bullying. But then it's like, well, I think
I was. Actually I will say I am on So
I'm at the point where Robin calls Candice and asks
Candice to ask Wendy to bring her kids. To feel
like that that is that is crazy. I will say
that Robin's a fool. But I did feel that Robin,
I don't know what. I don't know why, because I

(57:20):
do anyway, it's going into this season, I knew that
everyone disliked her, like she was not the favorite, and
so I don't know what. I'm just watching it through
that lens, but also knowing I've always because even in
season money, you know what I think it's I guess
I respond to when it feels like this show is
not that important to them. I think that's and that's
why I truly love Shere's Is, like she is does

(57:41):
not I love Shari. I don't think the show is
important to her. I don't know if she's playing with
house money, like she's like, I don't need that. Last
night it was funny though, because literally they're all on
this huge girl's trip to Miami and they get to
the house and Shere's is immediately unhappy with her room,
and this is like where the show is happening, and
there's goes in the corner and she's like on the
phone with her travel agent being like, hey, yeah, I
need a hotel, and she's gonna leave. So maybe the

(58:03):
show isn't important to her because she's willing to leave
filming because her room doesn't have a bathroom. Just like
he gives so little that it's almost artful. I don't
know that she's I think she's trying to give a
lot because the show, remember, was supposed to be built
around her. She was supposed to be in the beginning.
It was like it was about like Charisse and Karen
and Giselle and like the power struggle between the three

(58:25):
of them, for like who was the queen bee of
Potomac and then Saris fell so far to the bottom
that has sort of become this like Giselle Karen thing
because they actually know don't mean she is a vicious person.
And I'll say this, I know a producer on one
of these shows who worked with Giselle and he said

(58:46):
that she was by far his favorite to work with.
And what that said to me was that she's the
most manipulative and down to make the reality show happen
instead of like just living life. Like I don't like
any housewife that is like an active producer in the show.
Any time that happens, I feel like I see through it.
It's not fun. And also, these women are not actresses

(59:08):
like you're saying, so when they don't believe it, they're not.
I can never used being an actress to win is
not actress PI and just went on Survivor. It would
flop so hard. Um nowture blue number of culture. It's
just Survivor. It was so hard and never used, never used.

(59:34):
But Zell, I feel like I hate to make this distinction,
but it is the light skinned girls bullying not not no,
and they also know about that and still do it right.
It's I'm gonna say, I hope it gets better. Um yeah,
well that's why I did that. The vibes are a
little a bit of a bummer is about to throw

(59:55):
a drink in Wendy's face next week. I don't like this,
even if one do. I don't like that they're like violent.
I haven't gotten yet, but I will say, like I'm
always done to watch five episodes of Pasties in a row.
But I was just like, this isn't compelling to me
right now, I will say, and this is hard for
me to say everything franchise wide right now, I'm kind

(01:00:16):
of feeling like all of this needs to turn up
a little bit. But it used to activate a little
bit more Like it feels like everyone on every franchise
is hyper aware of the reality element to the point
where they're managing themselves. And I'm like, we need something
like actually messy to happen, and not messy as in
a drama way, as in like, oh that's odd, I

(01:00:39):
haven't seen that before. Type of Salt Lake is like
getting a little bit better. I'm enjoying salt like this.
This last episode was great. The auditions are crazy. I'm
the only one who can really sing crip for his

(01:00:59):
bad little like Sarah and I. All week we're just
we're going away. It's so crazy. And then they were like,
you're amazing, Lisa. Did I do it? Was that it?
You can real listen only the season was like Juliet
the premier when like Lisa Barlow is playing um basketball

(01:01:19):
with her college moment. It was a college moment and
like it was when they were just they were just
getting into the funch college conversation and he was like,
you know, I already have a company and yeah, killer company,
because like they were some telling each one because you
couldn't really understand that they didn't even that killer company.

(01:01:44):
Lisa was the reason for the season. Everyone saying it
you have been since day one. I've been like, no,
Lisa Barlow once once the dust Settle is like, she
is going to be the star of the show because
again like she's the most wacko alien present. Meredith is too,
but also Meredith is now trying to hard on the bathtub.

(01:02:04):
Was Seth, I'm like, I don't know you you understood
that we liked the bathtub thing from last season. So
now you put your husband in it and you started
it's hard. She's like losing me a little bit. This
Lisa is kind of the foothold I have that we
all need right now in terms of like, oh, where
where did that come from? Charter a character like I'm

(01:02:25):
important to God. God, I'm very important to God. An
amazing line her thing, Yes, an amazing line every episode
she gives that. Every episode you leave, and it's like
at least three moments where you're like God, she's having
this really her own planet. She's having this really earnest
battle with herself like should I be nice to my

(01:02:45):
sisters who are going to divorce? Says I don't know
if I should be nice to me. It's really hard
for me to listen because I take that home with me.
When I get on the phone, my whole day is ruined.
Every energy hell him Agan, here's Hella. The reason why
I like Lisa too is because the way she's a

(01:03:06):
laughway from a tear at all times, like tears fill
up in her eyes. That means to me, she's not
faking it. Like she is not faking it, She's she's
genuinely that emotional, whereas Gazelle. The reason why everyone's like,
we never see Gazelle cry is because she's never really
never at all. I do love her freaking daughters that

(01:03:26):
they show the moments of her with her kids, because
otherwise there are no redeemable quality period. I'm quoting my
best friend Matt Rogers. Every time we know it's going
to get rough for Giselle, we will see a scene
of them getting a pedicred together. Because the daughters are
like great and lovely, and you get the sense that
if we actually were to see Gazelle's real life, we

(01:03:47):
might be able to understand that she is a good mom,
like has been through hard things. You know, she's a
funny person. But when she gets into reality show mode
and the quote unquote reasons why producers like her, it's ugly.
It's she definitely doesn't believe this ship with Chris and
this could like really damage him. And it's like, I
struggle with Chris, but I do think he's being But

(01:04:10):
do you think that he No? No, And I actually
believe him, and he says that just and he was like,
can I talk to you? And she was going to
go to my room because that's what he says. I
can hear her saying, because she wants the tea and
mostly what she wants is the tea. And then she
probably realized because here's what I'll say. I don't doubt
that she felt like it's weird that we're in the
room together alone. But they probably had a moment together

(01:04:30):
where they both realized it and we're like, let's not
do this. But like her talking to Candice, oh, you
haven't seen this last episode is a little oh, she
says this. She goes, I don't ever want to be
in a room with a married man. And it's like, okay,
but there's so much like you're what does that mean?
Like every married man who's in the room with you

(01:04:51):
wants to like fuck you or something. That's what she'sating,
which is and it's like, is she doing it to
dismantle what she knows is a teammate to Wendy, Like
is that what it is? Of course? I mean it's
all rooted in that, it's all rooted in wanting. So
what do you like that Robin is standing by them?
Like Robin is very much fighting for them. I will

(01:05:11):
say this. I will say this, I think because Giselle
has gone so low at this point, I actually think
for the first time, Giselle has literally gone too far,
too far, And now Robin is like, I can't go
down with that ship. I mean, I'm literally seeing that
you're going too far. So if I didn't, because then
Robin would definitively be like a Pence figure, like like essentially,

(01:05:36):
Robin Rabbit had a choice to make. Shall I be
a Pence figure? Should not? Robin is it's giving if
Giselle is insurrectionist, well, let's we forget Mike Pence. On
January six, broke a secondly, Um, you know arial Carlin
Network has a Robin Nixon hat. Well, somehow people are

(01:05:59):
getting them now after months and months of waiting. I
mean we were on the ground floor when Mitra and
Joel had ordered Robin Dixon hats and then they never came.
And then Casey Wilson and Danielle were on the show
last week and they said that they had ordered hats
and I said, did they come? And they said they
finally came after months. I have to say, you know what,
I really loved one of my favorite of last year

(01:06:20):
was I loved it. I need to read it. It
was really funny. But then I would it would get
really real sometimes and it just you really felt like
you had a little friends. She's a great person. I
really adore her. I have actually always been a fan.
And I remember, like back in the day, like when
she was first on Saturday Night Live, it kind of
just felt it was the first time I ever saw
that show, and I was like, no, it's not her,

(01:06:42):
that's the problem. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
I was like, and then when she went on to
like obviously great success, she was a happy end and
just like a lot of people's favorite second like that
when I was on. Yeah, and so now she's got
like all the success. But I remember that was the
first time because that was when I was really obsessed
with when we were like adults. Yeah, and remember being like,
maybe this is not vibing, but I believe that she's good.

(01:07:05):
Yeah yeah, but the show would have you believe. The
only I remember of her is she played um baby
Deska who fell in the well. You know she had.
She had a really good bit too, as a paraplegic stripper.
You're thinking of Amy Polar, No I'm not. You're thinking
of I got one leg speaking of Pence figures, I'm

(01:07:26):
catching up. But yeah, I was motivated to watch because
of you interest, So I am okay. So when I
Party was coming out, I was like, I've had enough
of I'm Sarah and Mark, I've had enough of this people. Yeah, yeah,
and I are you watching? I have not yet watched
because if you remember, if you zoom seg in time,
I could not get through the first season because I
found it to be too long. I agree. I did

(01:07:49):
not finish the last episode because by the I was
with it and the first four episodes, and then it
got to nine and suddenly was like, oh, there's like
a lot of episodes there. The Nancy Nancy, So Nancy
is It is a beautiful character study, like and who
is Nancy Salzman? Like what is wrong with this woman's slash?

(01:08:09):
Like what happened to her? That's like how is she
the victim? How is she culpable? Like I do think
it's interesting. See my takeaway from season one was like
this is like a bad documentary, Like they're taking really
interesting subject matter and like mishandling, in spite of how
they're doing it, it's still compelling to me. You know what,
I mean. And so then when the India dock came out,

(01:08:30):
that was better. I heard it was better. Yeah, you
know what I kept saying. What I loved about it
is because like India did figure into you know, and
Sarah was the narrator and in vow and they kind
of made her almost seem like a villain. She was
still in the cult, and like do you want to
much about like getting her out of the cult, and
like Sarah and Mark for some reason moving into the
actress's home and like always like eating all her food,
you know what I mean. Like I was always like

(01:08:51):
I hope they're red mowing her for this. They're always
like at her counter, just like reaching out, like and
and so then when in the Time or the Stars,
when I think that India was the kind of the
narrator and she and she kind of I will say,
like Sarah was kind of a villain because to that one.
And then it felt very much to me like Season
jually gonna be each christin Christen's narrator and like and

(01:09:14):
like we'll see the other side and Lauren's almost like
the villain. That was really fun. And then perspective force perspective,
and I wasn't expecting this to be interesting anymore, And
but I watched the first episode because like why not
for some reason, I'm just drawn back in and you
find out so much crazy ship and then the most
episode four all upsetting whatever, it's crazy. I have not

(01:09:34):
I've not gone depisode four. But it's Lauren of that part. Yeah,
this is not spoiler, but what I will say is
it's Laurence Laurence. Yeah, and you find out so much crazy.
So it's also so funny. It's like Nancy Saw has
been like walking around with her like house arrest, Uncle
Brace's great, did her for his table? Yeah, And there's

(01:09:57):
so much great comedy where it's like she's walking around
like first she said talking about like all the people
she's coached in esp She's like all these big names,
these famous people. She picks up an OH magazine picture
of Oprah taps shows I coached the person who art
directed this coming space, the person who are dried. And

(01:10:19):
then she opens up the spread and she's in bad
and then also and then like there's something there's like
one woman who's still in the cad who goes back
to Albany and she's like looking around oh my god, like,
we had so much fun here, and then there's a
jacket on the hook and she's like and she's like emotional, yeah,
this is Jacket, Keith Jacket. I think maybe I will

(01:10:41):
say knowing that the now season two is about Nancy,
like because I remember watching the first season and being like,
I wish we could focus on one of the more
interesting elements of this, and she, to me did because
of her snatch game esque quality. She was of course
jumping out at me, and I was like, whenever she
was on screen, I was was something about she's a star,

(01:11:05):
and it is like the show this season does a
good job of making her sympathetic until you remember, oh, yeah,
she threw her daughters into that, and like was okay
with both of them fucking this man. Do you think
she knew because she says that she doesn't about about Doss,
even about like, you know, the way she tells that
she was really in the document about their relationship until

(01:11:26):
it was essentially being in denial is different than being
in the dark. I think I think she probably wasn't
intense denial, but she I think intuitively, at least I
knew everything that was happening yeah, yeah, well, I I
sometimes feel like, you know, we see in this season
she works together with Keith so much when on when
they're starting the company, when they're building their quote modules,

(01:11:48):
and I do feel like he dismantles her a little bit.
And then but it is interesting. It's like one of
those things of like, you know, you think about Sarah
last year, how you know she's the good guy, and like,
but she brought people into the call, Like why isn't so?
How can Sarah say, Nancy, you're the bad guy because
you brought me in? But I brought other people And

(01:12:09):
but it's like, wasn't Nancy Keith's first kind of victim?
Do you know what I mean? And also the one
person who I believe truly is in love with him
and would love to have sex with him, and he's Nancy,
I think so, and he's like not into it. There's
a moment like I'm watching this whole thing being like
what compelled you guys to record everything? Intimate thing? Yeah,

(01:12:31):
we've been doing a podcast for seven years. It's three
smartphone Yeah, I feel I don't know, like fourteen, I
don't know, Like it was just a different thing totally. Um,
the Nancy thing. She has this whole thing of like,
um my mother said, like her a little dummy. It's
it's a perfect, juicy little origin story, like I was

(01:12:53):
diagnosed as dyslexic, I didn't do well in school, my
mom called me an idiot growing up, all of these
things that kind of lead up to her being this nurse.
And then like the other interesting wrinkle in it is
that she did help these people with threats overcoming. I
know the episode was so boring. I kind of loved it. Well,
it didn't help. You know, I have a love of tics.

(01:13:14):
I do have love tics, and I like trying to
use the tools I learned. That episode's interesting. I'm like,
I need Nancy to disconnect the stimula. So I went in.
I just kind of what are you talking about? She
was like a beautiful day to say, vives. But but
she does talk about it as if and I believe

(01:13:36):
her too. I believe that she believed that she was
doing the right I believe that too. And that's what's interesting. Yes,
and that's sometimes how I feel about Robin. Oh my god.
Figure figure the fact that Robin and Nancy Salzman are
almost say in conversation actually doesn't really shake me because
of Giselle's similarity to Keith Renieri. Yeah is the Real

(01:13:58):
House was of Potomac Occult and as Candice ringing the bell,
Candice is the what's her name? Sarah? Sarah? Yeah, Sarah's there,
and it's so little now it's kind of I'm kind
of okay, I'm They're the reason why I got boring
the first season because you're like, I don't need to
know more about these people, which probably was in the
pitch for the second season, like, Hey, we're going to
focus in on the actual interesting stuff here, because that's

(01:14:21):
what's whenever there's like a documentary about like any of
these cults are harmful organizations, I want to know, like
what's going on in the annal workings that made it
to be such an established thing. I understand how victims
are victimized, Like I get that pretty much. It happens
all the same way, So there's something interesting to understanding
the psychology behind people getting to be an answer salesman like,

(01:14:44):
and I understand the moral question of like is she
a victim? Is she monster? And ultimately obviously the answer
is both because it's sort of like a like a
fucking Hitler follower thing. It's like, you know what I mean,
you wouldn't you wouldn't question whether or not the Nazis
are like, you know, evil, they are so interest saying,
you know, I follow this Christian girl vlog or as
like I hate followed joke and I have, but I

(01:15:04):
have for like six years. I think Katie with Ashcraft
initially told me about her. Yeah, and she'll talk about,
you know, how to make up in a godly way,
how to be in the same space with a man
in a Yeah, that's God. And um, now she's pivoted
and she well, first of all, I've been waiting for
literally seven years hoping she would like explicitly like speak
out against so mu sexuality. So no, she a hell

(01:15:28):
raising horse, so no, so like, so finally she stopped
that your guesses are really wrong and when you guess
something so wrong and confusing the listener, because that sets
up expectations that are gonna be really wrong. Okay, so
unless you can be more right, please don't guess. I'm
listening and I'm absorbing. And so finally she came out

(01:15:49):
like two weeks ago as saying that like finally she
was like you welcome to the corner of the internet
where we believe marriages to a man. Because I was like, okay, cool,
you finally did it. I can feel that the suction
of like you hate her, I know. And then but
now she's fully going in on like starting an MLM,
like fully she's like, she's like, we want to be
a like what is it like Prophecies thirty two women,

(01:16:12):
which is like some verse in the Bible where they
talking about a woman who staying at home and taking
care of our kids and love being at It's always
about like being an empowered woman. She's like, these are
what we don't want. This is what uh, this is
what women actually don't want, competing with men in the workplace,
keep the nine to five, being a boss babe, whoever
said I wanted that? And then like staying at home

(01:16:33):
with my babies and but still making money. I think,
if you want these things, you can have them. And
then but she's just using so much language around MLM
though it's like anyone who's ever seen actually any documentary,
well it's just so textbook. She's like, you're gonna if
you want this life, you can have it. But you're
gonna need to make an investment up front, and that's
actually gonna help you because it's gonna motivate you, and
it's just like, yeah, it's really The interesting thing about

(01:16:57):
Nexium is like all cults have some degree of self
surrender and the people it's it's not that cult leaders
go after vulnerable people. It's that they go after people
who kind of want to be totally I'm very much recruitable. Well,
it's you know what, it's smart, creative people who are
very open to an experience, who feel like there's an

(01:17:18):
untapped potential. Yes, and that was exactly what he was
going after. And then the I think the thing that
this season does very well in illustrating is that it's
like part of the way he got he got like
more people to come in or he got people to stay,
was like he would very methodically be like, oh, anytime
you feel bad about yourself, it's a lie. And anytime

(01:17:41):
you feel like you're being a victim, you're not a victim. Yeah,
And it tells it forces these people to kill their
impulse where they think, oh, maybe this is not a
good situation totally, and I was the last thing side
to The Day I Die is the previous for next week.
Oh my god, tonight on the vow they like really
start off focused on like a room. We finally get
to find out with the girl in the room. Do
you remember them last season in the room? It was
the thing they mentioned but was never explored. And also

(01:18:03):
it was like probably the person who suffered the most
but was never It was like a passing sentence in
the first season, like there was a girl who stayed
inside of her room for two years because they told
her too and the door wasn't locked, and they told
her she had to stand there and for two years.
Oh my god, and and she did, and so she pooped,
she pop in the room. So fine, we're going to

(01:18:26):
find out tonight where that woman pooped. Oh I don't
know a birth two years, I don't remember. I don't
remember the exact as wait just as zoom back to Potomac.
When Robin said when when Josell said about Robin, I
know this woman, well, I know she should take twice.
This was like, I don't. I don't want to know
about Robin now, like people are so regular. One time
I thought I went to this like that's your no.

(01:18:47):
But it reminds me this one. Some people are so
it's really gross and really embarrassing. But when I was
telling this girl obviotlunally stunning, gorgeous girl, that was like
going tocause. I went to this thing every day at
like seven am. And she was like, yeah, but like,
don't you like I have to poop every morning? And
I was like, what did you say? I just can't

(01:19:09):
go somewhere before I poop. And I was like, oh,
I don't. Honestly I understand, but I would never let
that limit me in the scheduling way, do you know
what I mean? Like, I was like, yeah, I don't
even think about it. I might, I honestly don't even
think I would notice if that. I do go to
this place every day at seven am, and it's I'm
able to kind of make it work. I'm actually just

(01:19:31):
realized that I actually hate talking about poop. No I
do too, and like we we can, we can. And
also we've been dragged before for talking about poop. I
don't even really don't like it. We don't like it either.
We don't like it either. I'm just saying this because
I just realized something. I just got pure for men,
and I forgot it at home because I'm we're all,
I'm not going to be home for another you haven't

(01:19:51):
been in the past. No, I just got the first time,
got her because they actually sent some to me. Yeah,
I know, maybe I should. It's hard. Well, I don't
say about pure for man is like it is jacky
because you have to take like literally three in the
morning and like three at night. It doesn't really work.
You got to do it and it doesn't really take
effect for like a few days, so you have to
really be on your ship. And then secondly, like they say,

(01:20:12):
don't take it near other medications because I guess, like
I don't know why absorb How does it interact with disco.
It doesn't interact it just like if you if you
take it with your discoviy, it like it might not
be as impact up you don't absorb it. You're you're
lining doesn't absorb it in the same way or something
that's a lot of pill. So I can I just edit,

(01:20:32):
We're gonna stop talking. Yes, I have just gone back
to the animal too. It's just it's just easier though.
I mean, I have it pure and I take it
and like whatever and it comes it will make it
easier if it's like a last minute situation. But like
but whatever, never nothing. It's more disappointing in like last
Friday things more just than the last part, because it

(01:20:54):
means we don't have just we don't have just forward
to Friday. Last Friday. It means it's over the last
roding a Crusoe voter. Hey, oh my god, that was
such a flop. Really, I mean, she's done, she's done.
We might have to transition. Wait, let Pat finishes a story.
But like I was gonna maybe go on a date.

(01:21:15):
I haven't really been going on dates. I was going
to maybe go on a date this person. I was
kind of looking forward to it. But like, you know,
schedules are tricking. My work goes till eight right now,
but I spent my whole lunch break like with the bowl.
But you know what I mean, like whatever, just in case,
thinking maybe the first date would turn into first mate. Yeah,
and like you don't really do it after eight o'clock

(01:21:37):
right out of work. So here's a couple of things. Like,
for one, I had to go straight there, so you know,
there wasn't gonna be time like it was a dinner
thing maybe. For two, um, he was like a doctor figure,
so he had to be up at like seven am
the next day too, so it was already going to
be late. Anyways, I spent a whole lunch break doing that,
didn't really eat all day, so I'm starving hungry, and

(01:21:57):
then my work ran a little bit late, and then
it was too late for him, so like he had
to cancel, and then like, but there's nothing worse than
like not eating. And then I like Julie ordered tie
and like ate and watched like old TV. There's just
nothing more humiliating than like fully starting and like being
on the your all fours in your own bathroom, you
know what I mean, like Jonathan Jonathan, Yeah, doing the

(01:22:21):
So sorry, it's sorry embarrassing to be gay. It's also
like I remember when I was younger naive, I used
to always um, I used to always like when I
was young a naive, I would go and I would
want like an ENEMYX. I was like maybe I'll have
sex or something. I would like go into like you know,
your sexual wellness. I all, I would go into your
and then I'd make but I would you know, you're
looking at the condoms, the lubes, like you're the sexy

(01:22:43):
thing the things for sex, but then they're not in there.
They're they're next to like the tums and the anti
acids and like the laxative. You know what I mean.
It's like so embarrassing to go there for your sex,
for your sex prep. But anyways, that's the last thing
I ever say no about about about that thing. Alright,

(01:23:14):
So I think we should transition to I don't think so, honey. Okay,
So this is I don't think so honey. It's our
sixty second segment where we absolutely dragged something in culture,
and I feel disappointed that I have to say this
next thing. I really do you have to? Okay? And
there's actually a new story that just came up. Okay
because by Wednesday it won't be breaking. This is TMZ.

(01:23:36):
So is someone dead? No? No, no, no, no real house.
It's a city star gun shot and loud, fiery and
very public argument. Okay, Okay, play it. Do they have
recording of it? They might? The link is loading. Where
are we right now? In her case? Like is she
going to jail? I mean almost certainly right now. I

(01:23:58):
have a feeling like her Helen lease take place in
the jel Okay, tense footage of Jen and for the
people having a blowout in downtown Salt Lake City, and
you hear Jen's screen several times, fuck you, we're told, Oh,
we're told. This heated show down happened around pm on
November five, as they say, Saturday night. It's all right
for fighting. It's unclear. Writers are so funny. Um, okay,

(01:24:31):
it's not that interesting. It's just you know, the people.
It's at the next round of audition. It's not the
call back, it's not the call but no, no, this
this happened last week. Wow. So but again, why did
it take so long for this to come out? I wonder?
She is such a wreck. She's it's it's not fun.
She's the element of the show where I'm like, okay, like,
if we're not going to see her literally sentenced, then

(01:24:52):
I'm like so bored because you know what's happening. Yeah,
but I do. I do like her this season, do you?
Except for that one confessional where she has the hat.
I love that she was giving Hamburg confessions. I'm struggling
with the confessional and then the Ashley Derby bangs. I'm
really struggling with that whole situation. I love it. I
love it. Okay, wait, well remember Meredith's confession last year

(01:25:15):
where everyone was like talking about how it looked like
it had to be a breastplate. Yes, I mean yeah,
and they just looked like a breastplate. I think Lisa's
looking good in her confessionals. Yeah, definitely looks great at
Lesa is a beautiful woman. Oh my god, I do
I think I'm most attracted to Meredith. Yeah, I'm Ackenzie six,

(01:25:37):
though you're Anzi six. I'm a Kenzie six. I'm like
literally a Kinzie seven. But like I, I'm not attracted
to women. But I would imagine Whitney is probably the hottest.
I don't know if she is. Andrew said this, hers
is very much like a purchased beauty at do you
know what I mean? I actually have wild Rose sierumon
right now? Oh how is it? I mean? I feel
absolutely stunning. Yeah, you guys gasped when I came out

(01:25:59):
of it. Better's belt in your trainer songs? Okay, let's
I have the clock starting nothing. All you guys have
to be on my one. Okay, shut up, this is

(01:26:21):
Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. As time starts.
I don't think so, honey, Katy Perry. I have to
be honest with you. I've always been a Katie cat,
but I can't just stand by while you are this
publicly obtuse and like blind to the needs of the
city that you live in, and is giving wealth, it
is giving privilege, and honestly, while those things are definitely true,

(01:26:42):
fucking cast your vote in private, first of all, isn't it.
I know it's probably not illegal to do this in California,
because I'm sure you asked someone on your team before
you did it, But to post this and then, honestly,
when you post like an advertise your political like belief
and vote, understand that people are going to have a reaction.
And so when you're getting ragged left and right, to
and fro in your comments on every Flota you've posted

(01:27:04):
since for this, understand that's because you put yourself in
that position. I don't think so, honey. You might have
to go to Brazil now, Katie, they're saying come to Brazil,
come to Brazil. You might actually have to go because, period,
point blank, l A needs Karen Bass. She's a head
in the head in the vote. Right now. We need
it to happen. I don't think so, honey, Rick Caruso
and his followers, which are like kim Ka, Gwyneth and Katie.

(01:27:26):
Look at the celebrities that are following him, and look
at the celebrities that are following Karen Bass, that you
have it right there and might have to go to Brazil.
Have to Brazil, because these are all the celebrities that
supported Caruso are like the disgusting ones. And when they
say come to Brazil, it's to all those people. At
least has a new leftist leader. I just like, all

(01:27:51):
I know is it's just so obvious when all the richest,
dumbest celebrities you follow are all saying one thing, probably
that means that's not the one. And then you have
like the actual activists who are like, it's Karen Bass,
it's Karen Bass. It's like, you know, then don't say
you're progressive or don't say you're a Democrat, even when
you like advertise support for someone who was a Republican

(01:28:15):
fifteen minutes before this is like basically documented as being
not pro choice or anti choice, and as a billionaire
real estate developer, go to the grove and tell me,
you you you wouldn't want your city to look like
the grove. And if you do go to the grove
and you want l A to look like that, you
are living in a fans move to somewhere else. It's like,

(01:28:36):
it's like Joel Kim said, it's like people that wanted
Caruso to save the city don't want to help with homelessness.
They just don't want to look at it anymore. The
conversation around homelessness is it's completely insane. And then I
saw someone like even like people like I don't want
to see homelessess, that not why do I have to
see homelessness? Or like why does that person to have
a home? You know, it's like that people are is

(01:28:58):
the lack of humanity, the lack of a matter are
on specifically people without houses. Is crazy to see a
homeless persons, to be them and to not be able
to see like the machinations that led to that person
not having a house and that not being there, you
know what I mean, it's like to blame them or
it's it's so upsetting. I will say I've lived in

(01:29:18):
l A now almost four years. I guess like three
and a half years and the situation is very bad
and very dark. But I'll tell you what's the most
sad is when you drive by like like an encampment
area or there's a place where they are living, and
then you drive back the next day and all it's
all gone, and I'm like, what happened? Like those are
people and I just feel like and of course it's

(01:29:40):
the really really really rich people who genuinely see it
like yeah, continue problem, and I'm just like the lack
of humanity, the separation of wealth. There you go, and
it's it is the richest people saying this. And also,
let's be real, they were paid, they were paid by
Caruso to say this. I that's what I think because
when you have a billion dollars and you spend a

(01:30:01):
hundred million dollars on this race, and it is like
I'm not saying for a fact that I know, but
it's fishy to me that he's able to essentially like
get all these high prized endorsements from people whose number
one thing is money. Totally like that's why like Kyle
Richards is like career. I can't believe it. Well I
could believe it, actually, but I'll say this only Beverly

(01:30:22):
Hills housewife to come out and say go Karen Bass. Yeah,
because she said and she even said she's like, I'm
voting for a real democrat. Um, okay, so that was
my I don't think so, honey. I am now a
voice you are to be listening to, and now you
weren't before. But at all. Of course, at this episode,

(01:30:46):
I'm starting to like the song, but you will listen
to it all that a question for you, is it
that Megan Trainer is now going back to like do
wop sounds. She's never lost, she's never what I called
girl bossa nova. That's great, that really great, really good.
But do you think she's like forced by the label
to like stay in that. I think her label knows

(01:31:06):
they have someone that they can play in Baskin Robbins,
in Target and at play places. I think toddlers are
gonna learn to dance to the song. You know what
a toddler like learns to dance and that sort of
shaking their legs. It's actually really cute. But like imagine
like if if you had a baby and this song
came on, you would love to watch a dance. Yes,

(01:31:30):
look a look at him he's going, oh Riley, Um,
I feel like it might be one of those things
where Jenn Alfa, We're gonna ten years from now, the
kids of today will be like Megan Trainer is our queen,
will shoot and apology. It's like, um, this is not

(01:31:52):
the right comparison. But it's like the way people go
apes over Lea Michelle, like some of the kids the
gen Zers goes with any of the Gleep cast because
they grew up on Glee. But like even when like
we were in college by the people came out and
we're like, okay, yeah, whatever kids, Bobby. But now like
this whole new generation of people is like, oh, I
didn't know that still running the world. It's so true. Wow,

(01:32:15):
that's really scary. Like all of them have a huge
podcast to like Kevin McAllen, Jenna Switz have a podcast
like a big deal. Um, okay, this is something funny.
You're ready and as time starts now, I don't think so, honey,
space bar before an exclamation point? What people need to
understand that the exclamation point comes after the word. There's

(01:32:35):
no space in between. I don't care if this is
an intentional way for you to show that you have
a bit of whimsy and you that you like to
do the rules of grammar. It's really shocking to me
anytime I see it, and I've tried it on for
size myself. I've not liked it the times I've done it.
I don't think anyone should do it. It really people off.

(01:32:58):
And the reason in this mess today's because language has
broken down. You know, did you know that the words
pronunciation and pronunciation are different. Pronunciation is the way that
words are pronounced. Pronunciation is the way that letters are
supposed to be said. It's the Tower of Babel all
along because now no one can agree on how things
should be said or written, and that's why we're in

(01:33:18):
this mess. Communication is not caught up, has not grown
with technology sec and language has not grown with technology.
That's why we are miserable right now, because we don't
know how to talk to each other. And that's when
it's been the Tower of Babel that it was beautiful,
you know, you know Plaset is playing the villain and

(01:33:38):
coming of chaos. I love Wait what is coming chaos?
It's the one that's exciting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The House
of Harkness House, it was called House of Harkness. It's
now called Covin of Chaos. Oh that's fun, one alliteration
to another. I don't really get why it's better. Maybe
coving Chaos like tested better than House of Harkness because

(01:33:59):
Pep forgot that her last name was hark Yeah, I
forget that. Yeah, I forget that all along. They really
really should have. So, so when have you been seeing
this like as a yes, colloquially people are doing just
just text hey, space exclamation point, yes, I I absolutely
no means to me. I get that from my mom
all the time, and I just thought it was like
a mom. Now it's like no, it's I'm the meat

(01:34:23):
in the sandwich, like the older generation does it and
the younger generation does it, and I'm like, we are
and all we are is meat lately. All we are lately?
I see it with one is really disturbing. But it's
one exclamation point. It's it's slightly more palatable, and there's
like space and a block of exclamation points. I still
don't like it. I agree, Why why is that better?
It's it's only better because because then you're like making

(01:34:45):
a feature of the exclamation. It's like this kind of
spotlight not even a commutie choice. But yeah, it's a spotlight.
It's like and that. Okay, here's the word, and then
space and then like a new word. Eight exclamation points
is now kind of like speaking towards the word. I
went on your team and you're champion. In this, he's
robing to you. Don't bite mea on the spoon up feature,

(01:35:07):
So never bite me. I always say, don't bite the hand,
don't bite the spoon. Don't it's very cold metal. It's
gonna harm your teeth, going to very much harm your teeth.
You know what. One of my favorite bits is when
Josh Sharp will do exclamation points and then speak once
in there. Yes, yes, very very very fun, very fun. Well,
don you've given us something to think about again again. Yeah,

(01:35:30):
and now he can have his Gucci on, he could
have his Louis Vatton. But even with nothing on, Pat
is gonna make us listen to us. I don't think so, honey.
I don't know if this has been done before. I
don't know anyone I know. It doesn't matter. In fact,
I don't much better. Okay, okay, this is Pat Reagans.

(01:35:50):
I don't think so, honey. His time starts now I
do not think so, honey. When there's a bathroom in
a home and the light switches outside the bathroom, it's
so true. Why why don't I put you to do
that as a builder, as an architect, as an electrician,
as a human first, as human, as actually my orientation,
Why are you putting a lightness room outside of room,

(01:36:13):
a famously private space, a famously private room when you
need where you you can go and have your moment alone.
Why are you, first of all, I like, what should
always be intuitive. It should always be walk in and
you shouldn't even need to just you never walk into more.
You should exactly where it is because we have that technology.
We have the science to do that through architectural science.
Now to put it not only not where you would
expect in the room, outside the room. You're already making

(01:36:35):
me feel vulnerable because someone some sick and twisting sucker
turn off for no reason. Thank god, it's never happened
to me, but I had to live in fear that
it would, and that has destroyed nice and confidence, and
it's been so brutal. I can't say that there's I
could understand one reason why they would do it. It
would maybe help. I don't think this is an important

(01:36:55):
one because it really does give the advantage to trickster. Yeah,
and the worst people in society are tricks. You don't
want trickster energy in the home. No, sad, sad, I'm sad.
We played you gag each other, you know where everyone's
nicely like so many politics. I think that I love

(01:37:16):
when someone comes to a talk show and they say
that someone was the biggest pranks John see. I think
that is such a fun story. Yeah, but then you
then you unveil what the pranks were, and all of
a sudden, like someone is pooping and then I'm sorry,
and then all of a sudden, like the light goes off,
and then are they pranksters or are they just cruel?
I agree? I don't sigh, I agree. I don't like pranks.

(01:37:40):
I don't like pranks either. This is we We've established
this on this podcast since its earliest episode. But it's
a prank is just a way to upset people. Yes,
where are you wearing such a chic shoe? It's best
best loafer and design my careen bataker and I'm in
sort of okay, sorry, I just saw that and I

(01:38:02):
was like this is a sneaker, this is a Nike peg.
But that's a beautiful ship. But the colors it was
not in design. Had about this half paraff mare. It
was not a disaster, but it wasn't the day before.
Can I say you can qualify? Yeah, but it's kind
of a setup, like I want to run New York
for next year. When I was going to do it,
I was going to run, and there's a lottery oreger

(01:38:24):
to do charity. But if you can run, if you
have coming in a certain time, on a certain course
and the half or the fold, then you can just
bypass that negotiation. I did secure that, but I thought
I might be a little bit faster yesterday I could
tell how much faster did you want to be? What was? Yeah?
I ran one nineteen fifteen. I thought that, um, I
could run my pr from you know ten years ago

(01:38:45):
is one fourteen flat. I knew I wasn't in that shape,
but from workouts I thought I thought that there was
a world where maybe I would run splits to run,
like I would go out of like what's your split
for for one nineteen fifteen? It's like six or two?
That's crazy? But I but I really felt like from
workouts that I could run fifties honestly, and so I

(01:39:08):
went out hard, probably too hard because I get older,
but just never wiser, and I have this and I
guess I have this thing. I could just tell after
like three miles I was run, I was on pace
to run like maybe in the lower one teams, but
I just knew. I was like, this hurts more than
it You're like, I'm going to really I have to

(01:39:28):
back off. And then also the court. I found the
course to be very difficult and the last three miles
were all like because of hills, hills, and there's also
two separate hairpin turns where you have stopped running in
the start, so whatever, whatever. Anyways, these ssues were made
by Barroman Track Club, which is a disgrace. It's my
favorite training club and running team, but it's been disgraced
because there um top female competitor tested positive for an angela.

(01:39:54):
Do you know where I found myself the other day
not the other day like a couple of months ago
when I did think of you and myself as a teen. Yeah,
I was at Saville Running Company and I was just
like a dinner next door. They have a road race
in the winter, in the dead of winter called that's
a ten mile or I'm gonna do And it's really
what it's like the Saville Running Company run to the
Brewer or something. I think they've done it for years. Yes,

(01:40:15):
I got fifth placed in the lab. For years I
was fifth, Ben, did you know that I won the
ice slipped, not the marathon, the five kally I would
think I was a junior. You know they used to
have an Entimans five k down. Um, did you get
a cookie at the end? I don't know. I have
to start. It was in base Horse. That's why your
words I'm doing tonight at home, we're actually exercising together tonight.

(01:40:43):
What are you doing? We're doing the peloton Cody rixby
talk show. Oh that's very fine. But one is the
guest that I'm sort of in the audience doing a bit.
I watched him on Dancing with That with that. Well,
you know who's killing her right now? Angela? Oh, yes,
I will watch for her. I think she might have
because I saw that she was trending, but I haven't
watched the whole season. But she's a dancer. Yeah, she's fab.

(01:41:04):
She's so great. But I always put on one person
who's like Julia, celebrity dancer who came to him. Julian
Huff is competing again. I wonder how this against like
Carol Baskan's like, yeah, I think you might. I think
you might beat Carol Baskan and that's something that you need.
And then yeah, I think you can probably have that. Yeah.
And Bristol Paler, Oh my god, I remember that Palin

(01:41:29):
from being on Teen mom O g and I gave
her a really fair chance. And that's how far we've fallen.
When they laughed after the election. Right after the election,
it was like after it was in Farr when they
finally came to Farr and they said, Farah, you need
to choose between adult films and the show. We can't
have you do both. And Paras said, and I think

(01:41:52):
she rightly said, well, this is my life. You're trying
to document the stories of teen moms. Well this is
something going to make money. And she, of course, you know,
didn't choose the most eloquent words when she did say
that to the producer. I think she did kind of
push the producer. But they ended up having two part
ways with Farah, and they brought in two girls, Yanne
for who I've been on UM Are You the One?

(01:42:14):
And Bristol. Bristol didn't work out. She was just not
additive to the show. And Shyanne is still on it
and she does have her child's father is I think
one of the hottest members of MTV the Challenge Corey.
Look up Corey from the Challenge. She's so freaking hot.
I think every Challenge contestant aggressive, straight energy and even

(01:42:34):
when there's a gig going on there and they're like
lowering their voice to fit in. Still in the Year
of Our Lord. Almost like if you think Johnny Bananas
can't suck me, if he wants, you're wrong. If he wants,
he's still against all I was doing these things. I
know he won last season. He won last Let me
tell you something. The asson suits back in the day

(01:42:54):
crazy if you want to talk about a bubble but
aabam baby was but I don't remember it. But I
mean Johnny has an unbelievable butt And there is a
sex video out there. What yeah, I gotta check it out.
Have you ever watched Aussi from Survivors sex stuff? Because
he has the only fans. I'm a subscriber, I'm not active. Okay,

(01:43:15):
then you're not gonna Well, you haven't seen him accomplish
amazing feats of physicality. It's kind of why I've seen
him climate tree. Yeah, but I don't know. But yeah, okay, fine,
you've painting me into a corner. I admit that it's
cool that he can climate tree, but I just don't
feel sexual. You know what I was thinking about the
other day that you girls appreciate I've seen her at

(01:43:37):
this moment. I wanted to find it on like whatever
episode was in in Micronesia and like post it and
be like she was so real for this. And it's
just that moment when Azzi comes up to party when
they realize that parties turned and like maybe she just
voted James out or something. Either I forgot who she
vote it up first, all James or Assie, but the
other was Aussie first. And then she has the conversation
with James James considering sex, who you gonna bring to
the end, and she turns and she says, girls so good,

(01:44:01):
so good. Party was mother for that? I think she
has her hands on her just goes kind of stressed. Yes, yes,
girls so cool, so you guys need to we need
to get back together. Um. Poverty and Amanda Amanda. They
I think they're not connected. They're not connected, but I

(01:44:21):
will say Poverty follows Amanda. Amanda doesn't follow up Poverty
of a couple of years ago. They both followed the
rees to repolic both. Yeah. Is the is the glue? Yeah?
And then recently there was like on the reddits, there
was that Poverty actually nominated Amanda for their Survivor Hall
of Fame because you could, I guess recently, recently, within
the last couple of years, I think Amanda deserves that.

(01:44:42):
That was an era of Survivor where Amanda was a
main character. Oh that was that. That was the golden era.
She was the star of China to me, Yes, she was.
The way she flopped at the final tribal council, I
was like, oh God. And then Micronesia like kind of
same thing. Yeah, she really gets gunshot at the travel councils.
But she was a start of China, and then Surree

(01:45:03):
was the star of Micronusia. Poverty was the star of
Heroes Filons. Yeah. Well, if I had my druthers, it
would have been Amanda wins China Surrey wins Micronesia, Parverty
wins Heroes versus Filling. Yeah, why did they do that
with Micronesia? By they foxed every over in that way,
they knew she would win. But I think they wanted
I think they wanted it to be more of a compensation,

(01:45:24):
but not you mean like because I don't mean like, yeah,
why they from I think the producers. I think the
producers knew it would be a Surrey landslide. But okay, good, good,
I think. But I also think the producers were produced
were also edited wanted to edit a Parverty win. Yeah,
I remember because I watched Micronesia actually kind of late,

(01:45:45):
and I already knew a lot of the things that happened,
and I went I remember going and watching me like
this is going to be a carnation for poverty, and
I remember being like, oh no, this is a Surree season.
Like the last minute, yeah, I think that they all
played probably equally good games and then it was just yeah.
I think that I think the producers sort of made
a decision about that, because otherwise why would they have

(01:46:05):
done that. You're watching current? I am catching up. I
just started. I think that this season is actually getting
really bored. Okay, here's the thing. Jeff Probes needs to
calm down and he needs to get but we also
love him for that. I don't love him for that.
I want to tell him to his face one day,
I hope we'll hear it. I want to say, you know,

(01:46:25):
you're ruining Survivor by the way, like that exactly that
you know, by the way, I don't know if you
carry you're ruining the show, you're ruining the game. The
whole thing needs to take like a beta blocker's. First
of all, go back to basics, go back to thirty
nine days, which they definitely won't like four years Survivor
Australia's fifty days. No, it's better for it no more

(01:46:47):
starting with three tribes of like four people. It's like,
that's not interesting or cool. I just think they're very
clearly trying to save money. It's I get over a
build a bridge and get ever at. I know, but
like that's why, that's why twenty six days and there's
so many fucking twists, Like they think that's what makes
it interesting. It's not. And I would also say that
it's almost like the Survivor cast members now are like

(01:47:09):
watching Potomac Housewives too much and taking all because they're
all so safe and concerned about just like I don't
know there's happening. Yeah. So basically, Pat, this has been
a wonderful episode, and we want to thank you. I
want to thank you. We want to thank you for coming.
The readers are so happy. I hope I gave anything

(01:47:30):
you need to. Yeah, you know what a feeling. I
know the feeling, but that feeling. Guess why. I was
actually thinking the other day of how nervous I used
to get before. I don't think Sony ear shows. I
remember like like the culture were being so nervous, not
the vibes were a little bit off that. Well, it's
because it was compelling. One could no one could decide
whether or not we were having fun or really competing

(01:47:51):
on different sides of that. And I think that there
was a flaw. Unfortunately, feelings were hurt and really I
could tell I could see in some people's eyes that
they were up. I just end up goeling like I
was like, I'm gonna be bad. But like I was called,
Danny Dunley, are sworn atything I did? Didn't you do?
Kind of a twist in the game, like I was
brought back into the I was released back into the game,

(01:48:16):
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