"Eras, Renaissance... and MORE" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Look Mare, Oh, I see you my own look over
there is that culture?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yes, Wow, Lost cult Ding.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Dong Lost culturisas calling wow, the first ever flop off.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Of Ding do Wait where did your brain go? Queen On?
I just full transparency. Matt and I had a beautiful
pre role as in pre recording conversation front convo, not
for you girls, not for you girls to hear some
things we keep sacred private, sacred dreams, and I just

(01:06):
was kind of ricocheting into lost culture.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Mode, you know, And then so we started to say lost,
that's the first time we ever haven't done a ding.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
In the past. Have we been a couple of times,
and I think we just immediately choose to erase it
from remember. But it's like, I think that's do you.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Think it's that thing of like so you know, it's
like when you do something a million times then it's
hard to keep fresh. Like one thing that's been popping
up on the pod is we've been starting ding dong
very high, yes, and now it's like we barely even
did ding dong.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well. I think it's because our past couple of days
have involved live music, a long dancing, jumping up and down, drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Wine, drinking wine, beer, sometimes canned Gin and tonics. Can
I say, we're in London, Gin and Tonic culture.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
It's alive, It's alive, It's all over Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Honey, it's the most popular cocktail. It's actually really Culture
number nine is the most popular cocktail in.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
London, London. But like Gin is like huge in Gin
is in in Iceland. When we went to Iceland, it
was just like, this is a Gin country, it's a
Gin town.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well you know what my mother used to say. She's
of course most famous for saying Dan bird. But when
I was in high school and I was like, she
got the sense that I was starting to drink. She
was like, I don't want you drinking Gin. And I
was like what, And I was like, where the funk
would I find gin? And she turned to me and
she said, without a lot of irony at all, I
think some but she goes gin is sin.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Jin is sin.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I don't disagree, which like she.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Is like some sort of like Carrie's mother or something.
Then oh my god, and she's true, because then I did.
Of course, when you give a mouse a cookie, when
you would.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Tantalize a mouse with gin, it's gonna want to sin,
It's want to send. And so then I started getting
into Gin and I would say, I've had some of
my those sinful moments while drinking Gin.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Lately, I have had sinful moments. I've had sleepless moments,
sleepless I think the other week I had a Gin
drink before bed and then I couldn't sleep. And I
was like, damn, is.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
That why I've been because last night too I could
not sleep at all.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
What's going on, Mama?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I don't know. Well, I think it's the jet lag.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Famously, when you sort of travel to in a country,
that's something that's a risk you're on.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
But I have not been able to sleep. Have you
been sleeping? Sleeping just fine, actually soundful, but it's taken me.
I've been here long enough where I've adjusted, and you
might be leaving just as you feel.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, like you fully Well, I'm going back to LA tomorrow,
which is going to be a twelve point five hour flight,
so I'm enough.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Of course, watch at least ten episodes of Vander Pump Role.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Now you and I are approaching VPR. Let's just get
into it. Let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
And I bet you didn't think that, with everything we've
gone through the past two weeks, that we'd start with
Vander Pumper role's But that is cultural.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Impact right there, impact right there. First of all, the
counterpoint to Jennison is Jennison, by the ways, not so
Jennison Boos. And I will say that you and I
are taking two different approaches to vander Pump consuming vander Pump. Yeah,
I am doing the abridged syllabus. Yes, that was posted

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by Brahmas Instagram and whoever curated that, well done, really
good job, perfect adjust the right amount of context, you
get the exact right information. It's very important that you
watch the Miami Girl episode. It's very important that you
watch Sheinache's wedding. It's all happening in part one. We
did not. It was part one at the time, but

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was part tragic. And so I'm slowly crawling along. I'm
not all the way cut up, but I did go
ahead and watch the hashtag Scandabal episodes last episode of
season ten, and of course the two parts of the
fin and the.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Way I've gone about it is I just sort of
jumped in this season and watched all of this season
and then have gone back.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
And sort of start from watching them from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yes, so we both sort of caught up on the
reunion in different ways. Yes, in different ways in terms
of how to talk about the Scandaval and rander Hump
rules were very much there.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Obviously, some of you Katie's reader's publicists finalists out there
has been with the other pot complete ASTs have been
along with the ride since day one. We salute you Soldiers, Soldiers,
and talking to one such person, Adie Bryant, the other day,
she said, I've been watching every single episode. I can't
believe this is how it's all paid off. Because she
was watching me and being like, why am I watching this? Yeah,

(05:29):
and now this year she's finally like, this is why,
and that's why you stick with things. Yes, do you
hear me?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I want Katie, stop fell over the car, put the
baby down. This is why you stick with things. Okay,
if you're having any doubts about anything you're doing in
your life, stick with it. There's a scandaval at the
end of the rainbow. Okay, there really is. This is
a rule of culture number thirty. Whatever you're doing, stick
with it because there's a scandaval at the end of
the rainbow period.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Can I pick the baby up?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Katie?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
You have mothering to.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Do, mother to do and we are over here daddering
because we are being young girls consuming this show. Now
talk about you're in the middle season two. I'm in
the middle of season two.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
So basically it's just come to light that it seems
like Jackson Kristen fucked yes, and of course we find
out they did. I've not met a young DJ James
Kennedy in the show yet. He comes in and sort
of picks Kristen up, where Tom sand of all drops her.
Ariana has come in as sort of I don't know
how to describe it. But the coolest bartender in the world.
Can I say as a person who came up in

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restaurants about this show is crucial to me because it
is such an accurate representation of career bartenders and waitresses.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
And I'm sorry, that's.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Sort of the vibe, all getting sort of into it
together and being all in each other's shit. I remember
there was a time in my life where I was like,
I have to stop hanging out with everyone at this restaurant.
How can you because it will get you. It's very
hard because you're all in each other's lives. But I
know what it is restaurant culture to take over your
personal life. And they allowed that to happen, and of

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course it's beautiful for us. And also they got in
a reality television show where they had to continue it.
But this is what happens when you make restaurant life
your whole life. It is incestuous and it is perfect TV.
This is a perfect reality television show.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
And would you say that there's a missing element from
your experience of like, there's no chef interaction, there's no
kitchen interact.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
This is where we have a missing area, Because I say,
because going into the kitchen and the drama between chefs
and waitresses, to say nothing of food runners. To say
nothing of food runners because let me tell you people, yeah,
bust people. And you do see some bussers and James
Kennedy comes in it as a busser and I'm excited for
that element because the power structure.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
You see.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
What I love is we get true manager drama Peter
Peter and also restaurant owner drama Lisa vander Pump. I
didn't know there was the dimension, but she really comes in.
And what I love about Lisa vander Pump is it's
so consistently this I don't care get back to work
perfect it is get back to work culture. She's like,

(08:11):
what's going on? If it's a table, I care. If
it's something with Jacks, I don't care. But it's always
something with Jacks.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
It's always something with Jacks. But then it comes to
a head with Kristen in season.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Three four, Oh I cannot wait.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
You'll see. You'll see it's so inspiring and wonderful. You
see LVPB like you haven't gone back to work. It's
told you to get back to work so many times
and you have not obeyed.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Me. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
You've disobeyed me.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Lisa vander Pump is, you've disobeyed me culture. And that's
where the coach number fifty Lisa vander Pump is, you've
disobeyed me culture. So flashing forward, I know the bullet points,
you know the bullet points. We're now in the second
part of the vander Pump Rules Reunion, and I have
to say, not only is everyone involved in the central
Triangle giving perfect reality television, Sena Gena say, Brava holding

(08:58):
that white claw in that it's all it's really all happening,
sweatshirt over her gown, scowling at the television because of
a restraining order from the demon Roquel demon who we
have thoughts about.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Bowen is positive and that we maybe we need to
lay off. No, no, no, it's not that. It's not
exactly a Devil's advocate.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think this is a good point.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
But I was talking to some friends sidebarring with some
other friends, and I'm just gonna say it. Yeah, I
don't think they would mind me saying this, which is
one of my catchphrases. As the readers are pointed out, yes,
I don't think they would mind me saying this, but
Cecily and Sarah Sherman have both positive that it might
be punching down so to speak to ship on Rachel

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Raquel this much because she's dummy. She's dummy, and she
was literally punched in the head. Yeah, and there it
might be again. Yes, she was pushed, she was pushed
with allegedly, allegedly, and I actually believe giving don't move,
I'm taking a phone, I'm tucking my thumb and I'm

(10:04):
fanning my fingers out. This is really This is.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
The cover of the episode this week is Bowen in
three D, and it's gonna be me in the back.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Like. I love the way he just reached out, I
reached out to really put a period, to put a
fine point on this. But Matt has rightly retorted with, well,
she did ruin these people's lives.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Correct. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
If you're gonna sign up for a reality show as
a dumb person, you're gonna be responsible for the dumb
shit you do in a major way, especially when it's
something this famous and impactful and something this egregious. I
mean the cuts to her in the trailer being like
I feel like now I'm watching this, and I wish
I had written her a note. I'm like girl starting

(10:47):
to have regrets, like you fucking fool.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Also, I have to say, who do you identify with
in the shows?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I know who you are? Really, I think you're Katie
in a very powerful way.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Thank you for saying. I take that as a high compliment.
It is because it's meant this one. And who do
you identify with? Laala Kent? You are Lalla. You are
the icon Lala Kent.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
I feel as though every time Laala goes too far,
I'm like, that's the way I would go too far.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Every time Lala is.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Lalla ing, I feel like I identify with her rage
in many as. Yes, it's rage that just righteous anger
when you your yourself or her hands are not clean.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Okay, you are one thousand percent unequivocally Lalla. Yes, I
was gonna identify myself lightly until you said Katie as
maybe as Shana but maybe not just just someone who,
like I don't know, sticks up for her friends.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
No, you definitely are, but I think that you are.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
You're arising, but I'm ultimately Katie's son down.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Katie, because you you have like the dry intelligence and
you see it clearly. And the thing too, is it's
like over the bullshit, finally over the bullshit.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Fucking Schwartz. What a fucking little dweet.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I have to tell you. He bothers me more than Sandibalaval.
It's like, we get it, we see it, We're over it.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, Schwartz. It's just like kind of wow.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
When Katie was like, you're gonna lose a lot of
friends over this, and he's like, I don't think so,
it's like no, yeah, and you deserve to and if
you do get them back, that fucking sucks.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
And he is like a roach in that way where
when you shine the light on him with his shit,
he like has to scurry away in the most obvious,
dumbest way. I'm like, this is a dumb person. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Here's the thing is, it's like I actually think he's
even worse than that, because I don't think he's dumb.
I think he plays dumb, and I think he thinks
it's cute. I think he thinks, like, h what do
you mean, I'm Schwartz. Everybody loves me and it's like, no, dude, YEA. Ultimately,
like you have been made this man's bitch, and it's
so embarrassing. And I think that like sometimes like his

(12:58):
intelligence does a little bit and I'm like, oh, so
you were playing domb which makes it even worse.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, because you're trying to play in our face. I can't.
I mean, that's what makes it great TV is that
he's playing dumb, but he is ultimately smart enough to
He's smart enough quote unquote to like subjugate himself to
Sandoval in a way that is like really pathetic but
so interesting to watch.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Every time he made this shit about him, Like when
he was sitting down with Ariana in the finale and
he was like, I'm taking a beating man, and it's
just like you're talking to Ariano Maddox in this moment.
I was like, you have got to be kidding it.
And also, of course it's being edited to make it
look like that. I'm sure he was a lot more
contrite in the moment and the interaction, but like, lord god,
every time he said something about how his business is

(13:42):
gonna fail.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's like, yeah, what did you think was gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
His first response when Sandoval said I'm having an affair
with Raquel or something happened with Raquel was like, well,
you need to end it because of our business, you
fucking moron, Like, look, have some foresight for us.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Second, they need to buy him out.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I think LVP and Schwartz should buy him out and
go on a fucking apology tour and that should be
the next season of the show.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Oh interesting, that's what I think. That's really good because
I feel like, from what little I know, it feels
like there's no coming back from this. And Sandy, well, can.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I say I'm gonna reveal this. I actually live very
close to Schwartz and Sandy's, yeah, and had gone there
a few times.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Sudy and I went. I went a couple of times,
like with other people. And let's just say it's haunted.
The place is cursed, and it was already not that busy,
and I don't see how it can be more busy.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
When was the last time? So this is pre scandabal.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, you know what's crazy is like it was happening
among of course a punks, punks.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Wait a minute, Matt, a new word alert.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
So you know, when you are amongst people, you can
also look a punkst people look you and g N S. T.
Is that how you spell?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
I would say, take out the extra end you p
O n A punkst g n gst correct.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
I don't know why I would throw that n in there.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Sometimes you do, sometimes you do. You could feel it
a punks to the space.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I looked at punks the space and even the other day,
like when I walked to Nelson's just like pick some
things up, and I.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Was like, wow, it is a haunted house.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
And I'm not saying much more about like my own
interactions with it. But well, first of all, I'll say
it's sad because the food was actually good.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
They actually figured out the menu.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah. Good. I believed them. But you know I believe
I believe I believed that. Do you remember what you had?

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I'm not gonna even go as far as to say
what menu items I would recommend, because guess what coming
in July? Something about her, something about shop on Robertson.
And guess what I.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Got for us?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I got us two medium black crew neck so sweatshirts
that say something about her, thankful and where I'm giving
you the other one.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I got one for myself and one for you.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
And suffice to say this, this is an open invitation Oh,
Katie Maloney and Ariana Maddox please come on, come on
the pod. I've had let's just say a DM conversation
with Katie. Oh there's interest, and listen listen Ariana. She
she's facing, she's busy, she's getting that check. God bless her.

(16:24):
And I keep bringing this up. I keep gutting out
on this on the pod. But we had a lovely chat, lovely.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Time together at upfronts last year's last year's upfronts where
she was so sweet. I was like, I had not
watched Vanner Pump. She was like. We were talking for
a bit and then she goes and she did not
ask me this outright. She was like, do you know
who I am? Basically?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Or she know.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
She was like, do you watch vander Pop? And I
was like, I'm so sorry I don't. Yeah, she goes,
that's fine whatever, Like she was just so like she
was just checking in to make sure because she mean,
she wanted to get a temperature check on there or
just yeah, and then we just immediately moved on from that,
had a lovely conversation. Yeah, she of course obviously loves
sketch comedy.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, she seeks it very serious thing see and then
I asked a question I watch What Happens Live, I
DM's a question in and they asked it, and oh
my god, I love Matt Rogers twice, which made me
feel very seen. And I just want to say back.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
We see y'all, We see y'all.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
And we were not saying you need our help at
all for the opening of the store, any promo at all.
You couldn't be more in the zeitgeist, but we want
to be a part of it.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm gonna be coming anyway.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
We're coming no matter what. We'd love to have you
in for a nice little chat, fun hang. It'd be
a fun hanging, guaranteed. And then guess what. It coincides
with the occasion of something about her.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
And there's something about this opportunity that could be right.
I don't know, but okay, So, in a way to
sort of transition but also give a last thought on
vander Pump, I want to say that my snatch game
is DJ James.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Kennedy One good, so inspired.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'm not ready to.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Do any part of it right now because I sort
of discovered that my British accent here in London is
James Kennedy it's not sort of getting better, say it is?

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Do you think so? Do you think? Do you think
spit shit in? It's a bit shit, it's a bit ship.
He's okay, he's okay, he's okay, he's off, he's off okay.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
So I asked some British people, do people here say
are you daft? And they were like maybe all these people, yeah,
all they said old people. We were told very very
and no one certain terms that core blimey is has gone.
It's out, it's been out.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
There cool blimey coore blimey.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
See.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
But I love it though bloody. People still throw around
bloody and I never really bloody to me, seems like
a little too on the nose.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, bloody, bloody, bloody, brilliant, brilliant, bloody, brilliant in that,
and then it's bloody brilliant in.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
It smashed it, smashed it, knackered knacker. You're right, babes,
you're right, babes. Yeah, good okay, yeah, good yeah, good
coffee coffee should what?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
So get this.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
The other night we're going out to the bar to
watch we watched drag Race. Had two brewers, so I
go early. Bone's working filming the film, and I go
with Matt Whitaker, our dearest dearest, and we go to
because I want to see, yes, the Rupol's drag race
episode that we.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Guess judge out in the wild. So we go to
two brewers.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
In chap Them Clapham Clapham Clapham. And we get there
and there's ten six to ten people there. I say,
this is fine. I walk in and it's like exactly
when I'm coming on to do the snatch game. And
then fast forward to Boone gets there, et cetera. We're
leaving the bar.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Who walks up Tia coffee herself.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Tia Coffee herself and perplexed, perplexed, like what I just
watched you guys on that. She's like, what are you
guys doing here? We're like, what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
And then we turned to our right and there is
the legend something something wo drag race UK fucking we scream,
we screamed.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
We were absolutely full on doing that alan terning type
we did.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
We literally I looked at Tea Coffee and all I
could do was type was tighte And I was like
it boemost like you were shamed.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
You were like how many people doing this to shame?
I was like, all I said, was, I mean you
two literally did the thing that She like immediately kind
of like rolled her eyes out and was like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Isn't it like how many thousands of facts I've gone
offic It's iconic. It is so iconic, and it's like,
you know what it is. It's like when Lady Gota
came out with bad Romance and that's always gonna be
like her big song. It's like Britney Spears maybe one
more time, tea coffee.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Is typing typing, and that's just it's just gonna be it.
And she could not have been lovelier. She said, are
you guys going to Hoopla? We said, we have to
get for Sunday. We'll get into Hoopla later.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
We had last the most amazing time.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Should we talk about drag race?

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now?

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Should we talk about Well?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
So then I turned I turned to Bowen and I said,
I'm tea coffee and you're something long And Bowen said.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
That's the most racist thing you said to me in years.
In a very lightly, in a light way way. I said,
that's the most racist thing. And it was. It really
really was drag race.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Let's just say we've been sitting on this one, sitting
on a secret, Sit on a secret.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
We went into that episode.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
We were invited to be guest judges on the Snatch
Game of Love episode.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
It was more fun than it looked. It was so
much more fun than it looked. Surreal. I mean, you
know what to me, like, have you thought this? I
can't believe that was two days. It felt like one
continuum of time. Yeah, a blur.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Can we say?

Speaker 1 (21:40):
It is such a happy set, everyone's loving their life.
And I also we should say we got there like right,
I think it was two days after they had received
like another boatload of Emmy nominations. Right, So the vibes
were good, the queen's were well, it was a weird day.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Heidi was there. We were told all the queens' Snatch
Game impressions. Yes, I see a Heidi doing blackber. I go,
that's really interesting and funny.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah. So the peak behind the curtain is Bowen is
sitting watching it like.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
I'm watching Matt's Snatch Game round. He's watching my round,
and so I hear him cackle at the Jimbo tap dance.
My god, I can't see I have no idea what's
going on, but all I hear is Rue and Matt
Geffi I was you don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Definitely read on television because everyone's talking about how funny
it was watching Jimbo do that tap dance and the
whole performance. But watching Jimbo do the tap dance in person,
especially because it's so quiet in the room, you have
to imagine like no other sound except the sound of
Rue screaming laughing at this justifiably yes, and also to

(22:48):
say nothing of Rube was screaming dying at Alexis Michelle's
b Arthur. Oh, but the Shirley Temple and the b
Arthur were great. But the Shirley Temple tap dance one
of the funniest things I have seen ever.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
It's so clown school, it's so kibit qua. It's like
Canadian like. It's literally Jimbo like came up doing that,
and it's like god, it like it's perfect to marry
that into drag.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I was dying because you're on the other side of
the sugar wall, not being able to see it. Just
your mouth is like open, like because you knew something
was happening. But you could not possibly see what everyone
on set is screaming. And then so what happens is
I sort of had Let's just say it, it was like
a I have like a flop group.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
I thought James was James was great, and it was
a little unfair. I think it's like, okay, let's say,
sure every gay man has Identifer Colnder impression. She made
it work for snatch game in a way that was
like great, Like she reacted to everything that was thrown
in her. She was so funny, I mean whatever, she
was great.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
We'll also remember that this happened.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Last July, pre White Lotaded season two, pre.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
White Little season two, so it was like both a
perfect like timing thing because now she's like uber famous,
but also at the time it was not as is
okay Jennifer Coolidge as it is now, but she was
clearly the.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Winner of that group. Agreed and was great.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
But watching your group was like they crushed it so
much fun I mean even like you know, I guess
if the fourth place out of that was like La
La Ria Sukiana, like it was still like a wonderful sligh.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yes, yes, I love Candy Cutty was great. Cut to
Candy just looking at Jimo up and down while the
tap dance was happening with a cigarette in her mouth.
I was like, that's really good.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Candy had jokes like like Ruby, I'm like, you can
call the fizz and then Candy goes.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
You tell me you're the one. Mike really good. It
was good.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I mean it was great. So we did our little
lip sync. They showed about a third of it. We
did do the whole rock Sandras verse, Yes to read
You Wrote You, and then that was over in like
two hours, right, two and a half hours. That was
a shorter day.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
That was a shorter day. And then it's the main
stage day that like is the full eight nine hour experience.
It's really and wild, really wild, really fun again. Silent soundstage, Yeah,
silent soundstage. Amazing to be there in person, though it
is true. They do two walks each one with the trap,
one without so that we can just say our little quips. Yeah.

(25:15):
Ross Matthews was next to us, so lovely, so lovely,
so helpful.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Ross was like, okay, so this is what happens, like
and like give us the download and thank god because
no one really told us, like the ins and outs,
like the t he goes, okay, so they're gonna go
with the music and then you're right down your little
jokes or whatever like and he.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Goes just like, you know, let me shall go first,
let me show go first. And that was right because
Michelle was a machine. Yep. She set the tone with
those puns totally. And Rue was also unreal and Ross
was of course amazing, like they correct me if I'm wrong,
Like that was like one of the highlights of the
day was hearing how quick they were with all of
those puns and jokes like it is.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Ye and it is like you and I just having
to like get in there. And it reminded me of
like any like writers room yep, where it's like she's
gotta like find the right opening yep. But it was
like that time it sped up to like a thousand,
It's like, okay, you got it, just really and it
was so fun and Michelle is definitely head judge vibes. Yeah,

(26:14):
you fall right in line.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Like and also you know, we were saying the tea
where she was talking Broadway, it was giving Michelle psage.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
We were talking about Funny Girl. We were that was
when Funny Girl was going down. Yep, yep, but she
had thoughts on everything, thoughts and it was pre Lea starting,
but it was right as things were, like transitioning from
from Beanie to Leah.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
So very interesting to be on the ground for that tea.
And then they tell us, oh they tell us before. So,
by the way, while Bowen did not get to see
Jimbo in person, they in the beginning of the day,
we see like an already edited version of the show
yes which was interesting.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
They like put it together.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
They were like, so this is what we put together
of yesterday, so you guys can have seen Snatch games.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
So we did get like a complete view of the whole.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Snatch so that we could critique fairly.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Right, then they say Heidi has chosen to leave for
mental health reasons, and the queens are like shook. So
we were just like moving forward and yeah, watched the runway,
did the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
It is so quiet, You're right.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
It is so cool, even during the Lipstick Assassin reveal,
when that thing is going, it is nothing so funny, silent, silent,
just like.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
All the lights are going dun dunt, dun't. But you
have to in your brain be like, oh, my god, Like, oh,
Rue also walks the runway to silence, yes, which was hilarious,
and they do the whole bit and then yeah, Jasmine
Kennedy came out crushed it. When they do a death drop,
the sound that the floor mix is so jarring. And

(27:44):
we turned to Ross and we're like, is it like
that every time? And roscoes every time it's always scary?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I remember him saying that.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I was like, does this sound like that every time?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Every time? Oh wow?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Just like the sound of like a body hitting the floor,
Not like a fun death drop moment. It was the
sound of a body slamming to the.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Floor on fucking like a vinyl tile or whatever it is.
You know. Mayhem Miller did our hair and makeup. Oh
my god, legend, Jem legend. We love her so much.
She made us look it's you know, it's the filter
on the camera on the lens beat us down. But
we were beat down, and I mean, I've never looked bronzer.

(28:23):
I mean, I loved it.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
It was Here's what I'll say to everyone being like
they were glowing radiant. We were beat to hell by
a drag queen and had Rue Paul's lighting yeah, that's
I mean, that's all there is.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
But what else do you want?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Like, and I wish we could say that's how we looked.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
No, it will never be again. It will never be again.
That's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Also, I was absolutely dying of Shigella.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh my god, I can't you reminded me and I
that was I remember this.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Rita's will remember when we came back from Fire Island
last year. Oh my god, I was talking about how
sick I was, how I had had interactions with gay
men that led to me being sick. Understand, we shot
this episode of drag Race a week later. I was
so ill. Bone and I were sharing a trailer. I
felt so bad for you because I was I.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Had I wanted to make sure you were okay.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
I had the runs down, like I was like dehydrated
for a week leading up to it. It was the
fact that we were able to pull me together for
that was while I was really upset because I was like,
am I gonna have to like cancel drag Race because
I'm miss sick.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I'm telling you we barely made it.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I mean, no one would be able to tell.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Because of the power of lighting and hair and makeup,
and Michael Fisher dressed us down.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Thank you Michael, Thank you King.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
But yeah, that was that's a little people behind the curtain.
I was dripping with sweat every second, like dying.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Dying, dying, dying, dying in a way where you're like, god,
I hate hate that feeling of when you're sick, dehydrated,
just like emptying yourself so often from either end that
you go. I didn't know I had this much content.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, I was. I was creating content all day. I
really was.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
And basically, like we made it through. I think my
body was like not allowing me to fuck up that moment.
I was like, we're making it through. I mean, thank
god we did, because it was that was as much
of a life highlight as it looked like. And like
I said, everyone was so nice. And you know, I
heard a little bit about the rest of the season
and I heard it's great, and I mean, give it

(30:28):
up for what I'm gonna call one of the best
drag race performances in a single episode ever by Jimbo.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
I mean that runway, that runway, I mean, describe what
it was like watching it come down the runway. It
was horror it was hard. We were like literally, we
were like, what the fuck are we looking at? And
then as soon as she turned all of us on
the judges table screamed screaming.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Because I really thought for a while that was her
face right there's I don't know how to describe like
it looked just like weird makeup on her face. She
was moving her head in a weird way. That's how
effective it was in person, so.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Effective the feat the bend in the knees looking completely
unnatural to the point where you're like, is this something
wrong with her? But like and within the realm of possibility,
being like wait, like what's happened? And then the turn,
I mean the two reveals. Yeah, because then the snake
popping under the apple was lovely.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I mean, when you put that together with that smash game,
it's a rap.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
I mean that was the only part of the episode.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
I was like, there was a lack of surprise and
suspense because kind of knew they weren't going to eliminate
someone when the HEIGHTI had left early. Definitely a slam
dunk win for Jimbo. And also we saw Jasmine earlier
in the day.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
You did, I didn't see her.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I think I was like, I think I did see
her because I was like, oh, look, I think I
told you. I was like, it's Jasmine. You were like,
oh my god, really and I was like, yeah, for
sure because she's and there's no other reason for her
to be here, because I think we were told all
the queens that had been there and had been eliminated,
huh or were we.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Well we were told, yes, yes, we were told. And
then we literally saw Darien Lake pass us for the
Fame Game, for the Fame Games. I mean wait, we
got to wave at her and we waved to Dave.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I was bummed that she was, like, I was like,
I would have loved to have.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Seen her, but you know, yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Let me no regrets.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
That was I mean, Dragars was a slave. Like Okay,
let's talk about our concert going experiences of.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Maybe what you're all here for, because can you even
believe the like the couple of weeks that we've had
that like, that wasn't even the first thing that we
jumped into. The fact that we saw Eras and Renaissance
in the last two weeks.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
You being on the floor for both of those and
relatively the same spot weirdly you were on this Yes,
you were like stage you were stage left on the
floor for both shows.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yes, well, I so let's should we do eras first? Yeah,
the aerostar, a feet of stamina, Oh, a feat of
their showcase of Songwriting.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Masterclass. Everyone in that stadium.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Oh, my best friends with each other.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Best friends with each other. The friendship bracelets. That was
so cute, so cute. I mean, we met so many
lovely people who just came up to us, gave gave
us Taylor Swift bracelets. I had one that was just
Karma is a catbead.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I got that one to actually, so that one was
really really cute. No, people were like the energy in
the stadium was definitely and yes it was MetLife Stadium,
and we'll get to that.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
We'll get to that. But it was so like, to
use the.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Words of Ilana Glazer on this podcast, there was a
thick joy in the stadium. We got there. We decided
to get there a little bit late, so we caught
like the last half of.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Miss Bridgers and then we get there and Taylor from
seven to fifty five pm to eleven twenty five pm,
I guess just gives three and a half hours of
the Era's tour. This was the only way I can
describe it is it's the fucking world's biggest pop star
showcasing the most coveted, impressive library of pop music. And

(34:20):
it really didn't feel like anything was super missing, Like
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
If anything like it's speak now stuff, if.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Anything, yes, speak now, I would have loved to hear
like Sparks Fly we said. But also the surprise songs
we got Welcome to New York, which I could see
some people around me being like, Okay, we got Welcome
to New York.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I was thrilled.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
I was thrilled with Welcome to New York, we got
Welcome to York and Clean, which before the end of Clean,
like there were some people around me who were like,
she's doing first track of nineteen nine and last track.
Is she about to announce something.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, it did feel like that.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
And then but did not come to pat She did
not lovely. I mean when she announced Clean, we collapsed.
We had a physical collapse into each It was. It
was I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
I couldn't believe it because she did debut a rule
for herself that she has set, which is she's allowed
to repeat a song if she either messed up a
lyric or if she feels like she could have done
it better. And I feel like I could have done
this in a higher key.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, we got most of the
nineteen eighty nine now, but my guess we did, and
we famously saw nineteen.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Eighty nine world tour there years and years ago. Do
you have highlights? I mean, I I there were so many,
But what are your highlights?

Speaker 3 (35:32):
So many? I loved Cruel Summer. I love that she
set up cruel Summer. She she took a moment to
address the crowd before the bridge. He goes, we've rid
at the first bridge of the night. Yes, let's cross
it together. Oh my cross I mean screamed, and then
we all screamed. We scrowm. And then highlight for me
was folklore.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Folklore felt huge. That was one thing when it first
came out.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
I remember us talking by the way we iconically first
listened to folklore in Greta Titleman's home, and when the
girls were talking and we were like.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
You guys, need to stop talk.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Study and Greta were trying on outfits and showing us,
and I was like this is this isn't the time.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
This is not fashion show is on in Greta's home
and someone else's.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
And someone else's home. We were making rules.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I feel like weren't we always saying though, like how
is this going to feel? She's not gonna be able
to do an intimate concert of this, don't worry if
you haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Folklore feels massive. Yeah, and the Bridge of Illicit Affairs. Yeah.
I turned to you and you were like, wow, she
really fit that one in there.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I can't can't even tell you. It felt like the
super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, you've I love that in your Instagram caption.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
It was ma sure, And we keep saying Betty.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Who I love that song so much? Might be my
favorite off of Well, it's hard between Betty August and Mirraball.
I was missing Miraball from that sets. No problem, I'm sure.
I think she's done it.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
It was I think one of the first surprise.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that was a highlight. I
loved Reputation.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Reputation was just as major as you think it's going
to be. This when the snake starts coming on the
back back while you're like absolutely, it was like the
energy pick back up again.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
It was like a new concert, start a new concert.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
That's one thing I'll.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Compliment her on is like every era felt extremely vivid
and its own thing. Like it was like it was
almost like it was like nine or ten isolated concerts
in that way, like really smart. I think to start
with Lover because it's light out and it feels like
that that like energy picks it up, like it's like

(37:39):
we're doing it as like, you know, the sun is
setting and huh, by the time it's.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Reputation, there's not a light in the sky.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
It's the damn we're at the fucking sex dungeon, yes,
you know, and approaching midnight for Midnight, Yes Genius, which
went really hard midnights. I was not expecting to love
live that much. Fucking Bejeweled, Oh l g B t
qu I a plus recruitment song. Actually, I'm upset.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
That Jeweled is not nominated for the Diplo Award for LGBTQ.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
That's a mistake on our part in terms of the
campaign timeline, in terms of the nomination's announcement timeline. Yes,
we'll get into the awards later.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yes, And there's some things you need to know about
the awards. There's some songs you need to get off
book for, there's some things you need to prepare. But
I'll say this, the witchiness of Evermore being leaned into
I think really helped to distinguish it from from Yes Yes,
because there's a there's a stark difference between Evermore and Folklore,
which you didn't express, like Evermore felt like dark, yes yes,

(38:43):
and Folklore felt.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I'm just gonna say the most basic word, lighter.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
It just felt its witches. Yeah, yes, Evermore is as
witches folklore is. I'm going to say this doesn't quite
feel right, but fairy, yeah, nymph, I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, yeah,
dry Ad yes, and woods.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
The Burning House into Fearless, Oh my.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
God, love love it.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Fearliss was also a moment Red to say nothing of Red.
I mean, maybe we're just taking Red for a granted
at this point, because Red also had Red was like
a featured moment of the show. Was like an extended
moment in the show, the ten minute all too well,
just it does exactly what you think it's gonna do.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
It unifies, it unifies. She is in a fucking red
sequined trench. Coade. I want to say some kind of
cape situation, like it just looks like that stage picture
is wow. Yeah, it's it's huge. And then blank Space,
I mean widely agreed upon by many, many authoritatively musical

(39:46):
people that one of the best pop songs ever written.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I mean, it's it's effervescent, it lifts, it is one
of the great moments, one of the great moment concert
going history. Yes, when you listen to blank Space amongst
the girls.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Upunks to the girl, a pong, it falls up hoongs
to the girl.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
It fell apongst us, and I knew that Taylor was
looking upongst Us and feeling very proud of what she
had accomplished. There also like shake it off, crushed it.
I was dancing like.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
A gay man, and I really was. And I looked
over and you were being gay.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
I was being gay.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
We were both being pretty gay during the show throughout. Yes,
while the streams IT'SO bad blood and I'm not even
a bad blood.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Super It was so fun, fun little moment. And then
getting out of meant life was pure hell, cruel, cruel,
but we we were lucky, we were like we were
out of there. Within it was not chromatica ball level. No,
and we were just listening to tunes in the car.
We were listening to some some Mazy Peters tracks.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
And we were actually were listening to an upcoming album.
Were listening we got to listen to an upcoming album.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
And more on that. So more on that. So let's
talk about we're going to be seeing Renaissance Tour. We're like,
you know, have to see Renaissance Tour twice. We're gonna
see it a Met Life again, let's talk about Renaissance
in London. At first of all, wonderfully run venue.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Oh my god, this was if compared to MetLife.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
This was like I was at Disney.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
It was as if Okay, So getting into MetLife was
like trying to get a reservation that at the invite
only Chipprianni's.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
And getting into Tottenham.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Was walking into McDonald's, walking into McDonald's, walking into McDonald's at.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Like I don't know, like one pm on a weekday.
It was like, yeah, no one's here.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Or no, it's everyone's here, but everyone's able to like
get to a touch screen.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Exactly, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
And I mean this was so we get there, we're
not seated together, see it together, bone was up in
the nosebleeds. Still a perfect view, Still a perfect view,
because this show bigger, pure spectacle. She's one of our.
She not one of ours, she is no. She is
our best, our greatest living performer. And people being like

(42:03):
Taylor or Beyonce, what was better? Don't even go there,
hant to compare it. It's apples and oranges. It is
actually the definition of apples and oranges. They should start
saying Beyonce and Tailor's because say that that's a real culture.
Twenty four, it's a core number twenty four, Apples and oranges.
They should say Beyonce's and tailors because Taylor was, like

(42:27):
I said, world's biggest pop star, presenting her and showcasing
her library.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Beyonce Renaissance was.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Let me get the ballads out of the way, and
let's we're going to turn this into the fucking club.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
World's greatest performer and most important artist. Giving the Renaissance
Ball and installment in her career, it didn't.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Feel like cumulative, although it was.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
It felt like I'm doing the Renaissance Ball, And it
was rumored that she was going to come out and
be her own opening act. She comes out uses both
the most perfect songs to open with and also the
most random songs to open with, Dangerously in Love, into
Flaws and all into one plus one into a cover

(43:11):
of I'm Going Down Into I Care with some Tina
Proud Mary ballad version.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Tina Turner, I'm urver deep manaight ververt deep Mountain.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Huh huh. A beautiful Renditionnelie such an unexpected original interpretation
of that song. And then like fully in her Vegas
residency gown yep, like she's changing up the looks each show,
but each show is giving like I could do a
Vegas presidency if.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I want, if I wanted, if I ever gained.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
And what I find really nice about Renaissance, about the
Renaissance tour is that if I'm going to compare it
to Formation, Formation was her being like, I'm doing stadiums now,
let me give you everything, and it was just intense,
like everything out of fucking fourteen, big, big, big, and

(44:02):
this I feel like, was let me just give you looks, gags, fun,
everyone is having a good fucking time. It was a
par It was a fucking party in a stadium like that,
I'm like chromatica ball wasn't even necessarily giving that, Like
chromatica Ball was like this is years in the making,
Like I'm finally getting to tour with us. Renaissance tour

(44:24):
was like, let's just have fucking fun.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
It somehow, And maybe it's because the ga that I
was in was like entirely standing on them and it
was like a dance party down there. It somehow really
made the entire stadium feel like a dance floor, and
that is like the best compliment I can give it.
It was to say nothing of like how much of
the stadium she seemed to use, Like it was like

(44:49):
a three sixty experience in a way, the camera being
in the skies, the way she would find the camera
and the air just like truly, no one is capable
of this. I mean, it's hard to even say highlights
because the whole thing felt like the Renaissance album, like.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
A continuous party.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
But I would say this section, when we were calling
the red section, she started with formation and went through
a black parade.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Through I mean my power black parade, Oh my gum,
into fucking savage.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I think, yeah savage. The woman rode out on a
tank while her daughter is the most unbothered child to
ever even imagine.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
And people can, I say, people online.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Being like Blue Ivy Carter is not slaying you weren't there,
weren't there, you weren't there.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
It's actually an unbothered sleigh.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
She's hitting every fucking move but she's going, she's giving
you like nothing in the face and it is so
fucking perfect, perfect, perfect, So.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
And she's also leading this huge like processional behind her
and you're looking right at her and it is I mean,
it's it's way more impressive than I think the stupid
tiktoks and videos are making it out to be.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
She's always gonna dull and dilute it, like yeah, of
course you're not gonna get the same experience watching it
from your fucking phone. No, no, like it is something
else to be there. And then the moment that got
me was huge run of applause for Blue, like they
like showing the line on Blue. Everyone's losing their minds,
just living for this little girl.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Cuts to Beyonce on the Big Camp.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, the proudest, glowing, glowing and she says everybody say, hey,
miss Carter, and what I as Blue is leaving And
everyone says hey, miss Carter. And then my favorite thing
is she goes right into a fucking partition. So she's like,
now my daughter's gonna leave, and I'm gonna get into
my big slut moment, and she goes, do I have

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any partition fans in the audience? As if anyone would
dare not be the biggest partition fan. She gave partition
as blue as exiting, and then I believe it was
into savage. So she was like, now that my daughter's
not here, let me let my pussy into the wind.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, oh my god, who that is a fucking catalog?

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Oh peer, Yeah, I mean just like and also to
say nothing of the set list too, was just perfection
because then she gives love on top and she lets
the audience go into the key changes and she's just
like helping out and she's like yes, and then it
explodes into crazy and love and you didn't see it coming,
and then she just begins her stomp does original choreo.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
It just takes you back to two thousand and three.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, what I remember, like not only the music video obviously,
but and also that iconic song which is like still
like we said earlier, like you know, like It's that
thing of like tea coffee will always be typing. Yeah,
like that he gota will always be bad romance like
Beyonce has done Beyonce since that, but still Crazy in
Love is still that moment that we will always remember

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and I'll just never forget watching her performance on the
VMA's that You're years and years and years ago and
watching that original choreo. I used to fast forward it,
rewind it, just just like watch it again and again
and again, and just to see her do that original
choreo again, I was like, my god, this is like
standing the test of time in such a way.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
And uh, to your point about like her finding the cameras,
I think she knows her stage picture at all times
like no one else. It's so wild. Yeah, she knows
exactly how she looks in every single moment. Yes she does.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Ah, I mean and every every track of Renaissance was perfect.
I mean highlights include I mean Alien Superstar obviously fucking.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Move was incredible, amazing, pure honey.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Just like the like Vogue section of that, like the
ball section of that was so unbelievable to watch. Her
dancers are fucking phenomenal. It's just and she has never
and this is obviously like it. It's like you have
to toss her hands up and say this, but like,
never looked more beautiful, never looked.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
It's insane.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
I know, I know. Mm hmm. It sounded perfect, giving
us a live vocal start to finish.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
A million notes like never lost I know, never lost it,
duh duh. But like I mean, and so I would say, so,
how many times have you seen her?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
I started with missus Carter.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yeah, so I saw one before that, I saw this before,
always say will always be my favorite because it was
the most intimate. It was so intimate and so small,
and it was just unreal because I believe that was
like formative for me at the time. This was unreal.
I mean, it's the Renaissance Tour. It gave everything, It

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gave everything.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Heated. The only time she dropped quote unquote any like
lyric or anything was heated where she literally like before
the song before she goes into the sun, she goes,
y'all want to help me on unheeded because like I
get two words in too, like that you know that
end section, and it like and I started to run
out of breath and there's no way any one person
can do that whole section without running out of breath. No,
But meanwhile, like we know every fucking word. God, I

(50:03):
fucking love that shit.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
She also, I have to say, like one of the
highights for me was Break My Soul into like the
Vogue remix and Break My Soul, which she gave also
the whole thing and like all the names came up
on the back wall. By the way, just claps and
a standing ovation to the crew of both of these shows.
I mean, the unreal production value, like the robots, the robotics,

(50:27):
and the Beyonce show just like the Metropolis vibes of
it all, like.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Beyonce being the lay weather. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Just like truly like when she comes out for the
for after she opens the show, she comes out and
she's like encased in like metallic silver, and these robots
literally remove pieces of her garment so she can come
out and like perform. It is it's so surreal to
watch and it's just so perfectly realized, and she is

(50:57):
holding the center the entire time.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I mean, like it's just.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
We're very lucky that we got to see these performers.
We went to mighty Hoopla the day after a big
queer music festival in the UK in London, Bropel Park
and Brixton. It was so much fun.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
As if we needed to be more blissed out, I know.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
It was just a lovely experience. We saw Dagnyagny was incredible.
That's another like.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, keep your eye on the live vocal on her. Wow,
that is like pop perfection.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
That is just like I mean you want clean pop, yeah,
not clean clean as in just like these melodies are
like fucking Razor sharp.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
And perfect pop voice. I mean truly just really that girl.
Then we went over and we saw.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Who, Like, I love that she's just gotten like really
queer and massive. Like so I've been a fan of
hers for years now and I think she's so so
so wonderful. Everyone should check her out. But she has
a song called say my Name, not in reference to
Beyonce or Destiny's Child, wonderful song and that was like
a different, smaller venue. And then we saw Confidence Man,
who were goofy, fun, stupid, weird and I use all

(52:09):
of those words lovingly. And then we saw Jake Shears.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Jake Shears just lovely, what incredible, iconic energy like looking
just as good as the day one, so fun.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
So fun. And then we went to a dance party
under a tent called Swift againin.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yes we did.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
We went to something called Swift again and it was
another hour. As if we needed more tailor, we just
heard those same songs again with hundreds and hundreds of
British Swifties who were all equally excited to be there,
screaming all ten minutes of the all too well ten
minute version. Everyone was off book. Yes, we did experience
Swift again in post aerostour, and we will be seeing

(52:50):
the aerostour again, so that is where we are at.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yes, it's gonna be a summer of music. I'm sure
I'll end up at one of the Madonna shows.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Really would like to go.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
I think it's I think it's worth as our experiences
are general, I'm saying like hour, as in like everyone's
experience with Madonna live lately has been okay, I guess
we're waiting around for an hour and a half, longer
than we thought we would. Yeah, but no problem, it's Madonna.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Apparently, we hope Pride was very giving. We missed it,
but Jesse Ware apparently killed it. Adina was there. I'm
gonna go next week. I'm seeing Megan thee Stallion Friday
and then Mariah Saturday.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Oh my god, I had heard that Edna was told
several times to leave the stage because her set was over,
and she just kept singing, you.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Know what, eat, yeah, let it go. Here's what I'd
say to anyone talking to Adena. They got off to
stay let it.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Go, and we love Adena, but there are videos out
there of her bailing out on the last note of yeah.
But you know what, though, good good, because you know
you can't. She did the last note of de fine gravity.
She did, she tried, she did, she did it, and
it's growth within a set to be like for let

(54:06):
it go for a storm ry John, I'm gonna throw
the mic over to the audience.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I'm giving it to you.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
I'm getting it to you. Gaze because you know what.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Also that does it says, oh you gazed.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Thing, you can do it.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Try, go ahead, here's the mic. If you gaze, then
you can do it. Some of them can, very few
of them can. Some of them and they all try.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
And they all try. Have we established Idina Menzel is
a base on this podcast or now is.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
That adena is a base. Is that one of the
rules of culture. And also you know Adele Deseim is
the number one moment in a culture history. So Adina
has a massive place in the culture. And her move
to gay icon and pride performer and pride staple, I
think is long overdue.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
And we should also say we did see her perform
her a new single.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
You Bet a Move from Me at the glad Awards,
and she was and she did present us in Fire
Island and we gave her a huge hug and she emanates.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
She emanates, and I.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Would say, unfortunately for a move, we haven't yet talked
about it yet on this podcast. But there is a
song of the summer, There is a queer staple. It
is a nominee for Record of the Year.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
It is which I think people are already trying to
be like, oh, like it's we're oversaturated.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
No, they need to stop.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
No, you must just accept the fact that this song
is We'll be with us for forever.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I mean when you say put I go.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Put um period, period, it's actually a real culture number
eight when you say I say period, and that is
that is forever.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Put Um is forever. Putum is on the same level
of staying power as Diva down. We didn't medic Boots.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
It's just if doctor ROBERTA Bobby wrote the song.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
It's doctor Roberta Bobby. It is Hi, Diva. May I
call you Diva. My name is Detective Fierce. You're not
in trouble, Boots. We're just trying to get the tea
on the situation. It is part of the lexicon of Queerness.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Get on board or else, faggot or else. The train
is leaving the station and it's headed to Padam.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I'm hearing rumors that Susanne Collins is rewriting the Hunger
Games books to change PanAm to Padam. That's rumors. I am,
I am. You are a reporter. I'm a report. Are
you really?

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Are you break the news?

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I'm hearing rumors. Put it came on Hoopla. I hear it,
and I know and we all activated.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
You don't even understand what happened at maighty Hoopla when
Padam came on. The dance floor was dead then it failled.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I don't know what to say.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
We're literally walking to the urinals and Pam came on
and we had to stop.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Are you guys excited to see performed at the Lost
Culture Recess Cultural Awards.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
We might be getting a big.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Special guest to come perform.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Okay, let's talk about the awards.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Okay, So now by now you know that all of
the last Culturesis Culture Awards nominees have been announced.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
The campaign starts now.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
If you feel that you have a strong instinct as
to what should win these categories, you need to be publicists. Yes,
you need to get going. I need to see FYC.
I need to see us being tagged. I need to
see interacting with each other. I need to see campaign.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I need to see campaigns. I need to see a
photoshopped picture of the billboard. Period. Yes, I want to
see a banner on the street. I want to see
a pamphlet that you design.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
I just I want to see you guys activate, because otherwise,
if you don't vote, period, period. If you don't vote,
what do you think is going to happen?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
You are not going to feel like a part of
this award show if you don't vote, If.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
You don't any words of Adina Menzelle, move for me.
You better move for me.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Now, what do you have to say about these being
the front runners, the most nominated, the most nominate, I'm sorry, Yes,
the most nominated.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yes we have Doja Cat, Yes, big contender.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Oreo Cookies. Breathe by faith Hill nominated in multiple categories.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
This was not something I saw coming this now.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I did not think that Breathe by faith Hill was
going to be one of the Records of the Year nominees.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
And then, you know, when it was, I was sort
of like, yeah, I get it, because if you listen
to it again, and I do want everyone listening to
it again, you do realize, actually, it's one of the
most important songs of the year.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
It is one of the most important songs of the year.
And then you go and then you look down the
list and you see Santa Award for being unforgettable, Breathe
by faith Hill.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Up against some tough competition. Yeah, but you know, I
don't think anyone saw this coming. And I guess as
a Record of the Year nominee, it will be performed
at the awards. Interesting now, speaking of other Record of
the Year nominees that will be performed at the awards.
If I had to say one thing, and I think
you'll agree about this, everyone needs to be off book
on eighth World Wonder by Kimberly Locke. We're gonna need

(59:13):
a lot of audience excitement for that song because it's
going to We've said.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
It before, but kick off the show.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Have we said this before?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
We've said it?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Thank God, Let's see what else do we have? We
have All I Want for Christmas as you.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I mean, that's going to I mean I think that
probably going forward we're going to see All I Want
for Christmases.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
You be a huge contender in this category.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I think this is the first This is historic because
this is the first time in any award show history
for All in Want for a song to be nominated
two years in for Record of the Year. Yeah, I
think that that speaks to its cultural impact. But when
I really do and remember that last year's winner was
Drived Back by Candae, which has stood the test of

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time in its own We're still singing it, children were
singing weddings at funerals, and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
We're going to see what wins. I just I think
this is a really tough race. Obviously, it's really exciting
because all the nominees are being performed. Has really made
a late case late in the year and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
What's the we're missing the fifth nominee.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Oh, the fifth nominee is if you asked me to
you asked me to which you know you might be
getting a special performance as well. And by might I
mean yes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Might I mean yes I do. Are you okay? There's
something going on? Everyone's congested in London? Well okay, so
it's June and I'm sorry. The weather is fifty degrees
or as the Brits say, you know, eighteen. I don't know.
I can't convert.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
I was talking to a game man yesterday, I might
hoop and he said to me, okay, so hey feva
they call it here and I was like, oh my god, what, like,
how do you get it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
And he was like, well, you know, it's like, you know,
hey fever, but you get it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
And I was like, oh allergy. Yeah, and he goes, oh,
I think you call it allergies and I was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Like, wow, to call it hey hay fever because I
guess the hey in the air, but it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
He it's dramatic to me. To me, British people calling
allergies hay fevers dramatic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
You live in the city, you don't live on a farm. Babe,
you don't live on a farm, Honey, Honey, accept the
fact that you Ben's right over there. Yeah, okay, okay.
There's a Costa across There's a Costa Costa coffee across
the street.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
There's a Costa coffee across the street. It's not high fever,
it's allergy. It's okay, han, han, You're not at risk.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
You're not at risk. There's a fucking there's a Preda Mange,
there's a Sainsbury's, there's a Tesco. It's not all these things.
There's all these things that are not what hey.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Mikey Hoopla was a slagh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
We really wish we had gotten to see Kelly Rowland
the night before, but we were seeing her goddamn sister,
and we heard that she wore an intense black cat
suit and gave production value, budget, talent and more.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
I mean Kelly Roland. She to Kelly Rowland gives talent,
charisma and more and more. This is the new syntactical
thing that Matt is innovating on, always innovating on. But
the new thing is, and please explain this for yourself,
but in summary, it's to say two things and then

(01:02:18):
always followed up and more.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
So basically, like if I was to say what London
is giving, Yeah, London is giving prosperity, culture and more.
Bonian gives talent, charisma and more.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
What the hell was that ice beucket my eye? Becket
is giving sounds, coldness and more and more.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
I look out to London and I'm literally seeing clouds,
sky and more.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
It's a complete thought.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
The title of this episode is Eras Renaissance and more.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
I love it. I love that too. I love that
so literally.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
So this was such a wild couple weeks that we
actually made a list of things together and we've gotten
through all them except too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
We have to discuss the Succession finale. We do, bon Yang, what.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Did you feel about the way that succession ended and
how power transferred?

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Well, power did not transfer, I would say, I would
say the only person who was really in power was
Mansen and at the end of the day he still
is in power. Yeah, and all along he was the
only person who was in power. And that's a comment,
and that's a These children were I mean, in the

(01:03:36):
words of Roman, they were all bullshit, yeah the whole time,
And that is the that is what the tragedy of
this show is yep. And and what a fucking brilliant
what a perfect, perfect finale. Yeah, I will never forget
it with.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
This perfect finale, the cheers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
That's where my voice is right now, y'all, you guys,
here's what I'm gonna say right now. And I We've
talked about hating saying this, but Sarah Snook, give her
this was This is what I love about Succession. It
is going to make brand names out of a few people.
Sarah Snook. I'm so excited to see what she does next, Like,

(01:04:20):
this was unbelievable. And also that's a tough turn in
that almost every single episode she has an impossible task,
but she is endlessly watchable. She fucking turns on a dime.
You believe every second of it. It's super authentic. There's
no one like her. Really, Sarah Snook is a finalist,

(01:04:40):
and I'm so happy She's nominated for everything she's nominated
for and even earns her own category.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Earns her own category, the Shive Award, the Shivroy Awards.
It's not the Sarah Snook Award, No, it's the Shipward.
I've been exposed to the fan cams of SHIV slash Sarah.
They are many, and they are all mesmerizing because you're
just seeing clip after clip of Sarah smiling, blinking wavings,

(01:05:07):
doing little things and going to this. I could be
I could watch this all day.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah, I just mean like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
But but yes, yes, yes, but I'm just saying, like,
even just on a fan cam level.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Oh yeah, no, when the fan cams are giving you
know that there's fans.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
She's an analog of Patri Pascal. It's like you could
watch we could all watch a Pa Pascal pan camp.
We can all watch a Sarah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Deeply mother, deeply mother and daughter in a way deeply mother.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Deeply daughter, an unfortunately wife in the season finale.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Trapped trapped in the car, hand on an open palm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Tragic last image.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Oh dear god, both of them. I mean, what we
heard was, and what I think people must know at
this point is that Kendall walking back into the room,
acting as if the fish bowl of this fit of
these siblings, breaking down, acting as if like no one
had seen what has happened, and the guy'd being like

(01:06:04):
we're done'. That was the fully ad libed yeah, we're done,
We're done, We're done. Like what I forget the line
it's like you don't have it. Yeah, it's like a
little literal, but you do need to see that moment
where you like it dawns on me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I loved it. I mean, just.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
A lot of people are, and I think this was
going to be the case either way, we're just not
necessarily satisfied because they either didn't see the shift turn
coming or didn't buy it, or like or the whole
season is a lead up to that turn. I would agree,
And I also think the fact that it felt impulsive
just goes to show that this is gonna be this
family's reality forever. And I loved the way that it

(01:06:44):
ended sort of not with them. Of course, they had
like what could be deemed like a relationship ending fight,
but I bet not. You get the sense of this people,
these people's prison is Yes, he's sitting there staring at
the water and like completely defeated, but there's also something
there that's just like it's not over for him and
trying to. I don't think it's like a death sentence

(01:07:06):
for him. I think he's gonna keep attempting but not
I don't know how he possibly could. But like, the
story is not over for the family and in terms
of a family drama sense. And that's what I really
liked about it was that it felt like the words
like I love you, but I can't stomach you, Like
they're still connected and I mean there she is, like

(01:07:27):
still connected to it in her own way, and like
I just you get the sense that it's ongoing in
a dramatic sense, but in a way where I'm good
to not watch.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
I mean, I totally agree. I think that's the whole
thing of the show is that it's this it's this
group of people who are locked into torture because they
are family.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yeah, there's there's like conclusion, but not finality is I
would say this conclusion to the story, but there's like
this very dark ellipses that is on their lives now.
And I remember, like a few days ago, I read
an article where Jeremy Strong was like, which was very
Jeremy Strong. He was like, you know, I did a
take where I, as Kendall, wanted to jump in the

(01:08:08):
water because I felt he'd want to kill himself in
that moment, and you know, they had to stop me.
And I was like, right, and that's why that's why
we don't have Jenna Ortego writing Wednesday. This is why
we don't have Jeremy Strong writing succession because it really
was supposed to end the way it was supposed to
end without you jumping in the water.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
But I guess happy we got the take.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Would love to see the deleted scene of Jeremy stung
trying to like jump in the water, and they'll like,
you know, second ad being like Jeremy, Jeremy, No, Jeremy right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Right, you gotta love him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
We needed one more from him, this man, and I
let me just just make clear once again, this man
is iconic. Oh please. And there was a lot of
pickup from that story I shared. Yeah about the bathroom
mm hmm, it is all in and we met everywhere
we said it was ridiculous. It was so perfect. Yes,
this is this man's process. And guess what, it works.

(01:08:57):
That's all that matters.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
It worked better than anything else we've ever seen. I mean, look,
I wouldn't change a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Wouldn't change a thing. Love that. Roman's last moment is
he's back at the bar, like where we found him
in season one, like the first scene. It's like he
is fully well. I my interpretation of the moments we
leave all these three siblings on is that like with
the exception of Shiv, I guess well, no, with Ship,
it's like these three people don't know what to do

(01:09:26):
without this motivating force. It's the perfect ending on this
because it's like this the whole like race is over. Yeah,
and you end with like Kendall like staring out into
the water because I think for him it's done. Like
he he does not know what to do. He was
built for this and now that this is finally taken

(01:09:47):
away from him and he's like, I don't sow his
existence is like meaningless. Yeah, so sad, I think the
turn works for Shiv, especially when right before her it's
Roman being like yeah, I'm sure whatever whatever, Like there's
a moment of hedging you see, like a moment of
him being like I don't know, like his you know,
his stitches, and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
She's like, I actually have a final move here to
be the power player and it is down.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I don't think the turn is unearned at all. No
me neither, especially with the Roman think after that crazy
hug scene, Yeah, that was insane, Like I think it
was a perfect finale, and you can't say that for
a lot of HBO shows, Like people still are arguing
about the Sopranos thing. Now you know, it'same of Thrones,
all of it all, and so like Six.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Feet Under, it was the closest thing to perfection when it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Was I never saw it, Oh I know, I got.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
That finale was see yeah, I mean in an almost
opposite way of Succession, because it actually did that thing,
and it sort of like I guess, you know, not
created the thing, but like perfected the thing of like
we are seeing into the future into the ends of
their lives, because that was the show literally about death
and about you know, that idea of closure or lack,

(01:11:00):
and so basically like that was the perfect ending for
that show, was to jump into the future and see
the great expanse.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Of what that life was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Where As Succession, what it was saying was like these
people wanted so desperately to be more than their situation
and be more than this, but they're not. They are
not serious people, as he said in that second episode,
you know what I mean. It's just like ultimately they
were defined by their station in life and it made
them miserable. So that is the I guess, like satire

(01:11:33):
of the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
I will miss the show a great deal, you know,
and it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Makes me sad, Like the whole state of television right now,
it does make me sad because it's like so many
things are ending that were so formative and have ended.
It's like, are we creating new things? Are we creating
new art? Like that is like this anymore? I mean
like it really does feel not to be like Moreau

(01:12:00):
or like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Uh, what's the word.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Yeah, I'm a fatalist about the state of television and
a state of art in general, in the state of cinema.
But like you now, I saw Fast X and it's
just like, is this what this is?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Is this what this is?

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Yeah? I mean I'm excited to see Spider Verse. Oh yes,
but that's the thing of like it is, like it's
a franchise. It's like, yeah, but at least there's like
a really inspiring level of like innovation there. But yeah,
I mean, it just seems like everyone's as an end
by everyone. We just mean like the people who like
decide these things is just even more and more risk averse,

(01:12:37):
which is by the way, like in terms of looking
at things that have worked in the past and trying
to predict and extrapolate into the future in terms of
what it's greenlight. It's like that is something that AI
can do. Taylor Thomlinson did a whole thing about this, like, yes,
their jobs are the replaceable ones. Yeah, not the writers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
It's literally the easiest thing in the world to do,
to just regurgitate, which actually brings me to I don't
think so honey for me anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Okaya, do we have one more thing to discuss in
the list?

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
I could do it as my I don't think so honey,
and that could be the jumping off point.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I love it, okay, because it isn't I don't think
so honey for me. Okay, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
So this is I don't think so honey people, And
this is of course our woman segment where we just
sort of, you know, have to drag and read and
absolutely demolish things in pop culture that are bothering us.
And I have to say, the third graders are getting
into it this month, later in the month, and I
am ready to start the conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
You know what, can I promise you something as a friend,
promise me I'm gonna get caught up on Mornings show.
You have to and we are going to be able
to talk about this and have a dialogue.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Bowen, I think it's your favorite show that you don't know.
I believe it is your favorite show yet.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
I don't mean but.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
That's of course a whole different conversation than them. We're
about to be again.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so money his
time starts now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
I don't think so hrn Samantha coming back too, And
just like that season two, I'm sorry, but it feels
so stupid to tell us it's definitely not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
It's definitely not happening. It's definitely not happening.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
And then now I don't think, so honey, that we
know actually exactly how it's happening. I don't think, so honey,
that these these people are hell bent on telling us
every single thing that happens. And just like that season two,
like we fully know about Aiden, stop teasing us in
the trailer we've all seen online that they like pretty
much end up together or at least go on like
a goddamn vacation together. I don't think, so honey, that

(01:14:30):
we know that where is tension? Where is the idea
of surprise? We literally know Samantha is coming back and
she's gonna have one scene and it's gonna be on
the phone. So now what, Yeah, I guess quote unquote
everyone's gonna watch now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
But I don't think so, honey. Was it struggling in.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
The first place? What is this? Is sex in the
city now just a meme generator? Is that what we're
fully committing to now Bowen is nodding, And if that's
the case, then I guess I think so, honey.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Third graders go all the way off. But I don't
think so, honey, me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Who loves sexing this city in the beginning?

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
That's one minute. I could not agree with you more.
I mean, is sets in the City just meme generator? Now? Yeah?
I mean I remember talking to Cynthia Nixon. We didn't
actors out of actress together, lovely experience love her. I
brought up in a way that like was you know,
not like totally honest, but I was like, I hope

(01:15:22):
you guys know that the discourse is a compliment, which
is what you and I have said.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Well, I do think it's a compliment until it gets
to a certain place where where I think it's approaching.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Right, and so then and what she had to say was,
you know, like Michael Patrick King the whole time when
all like the Chad yet like you know, after Big
dies and after all the chade moments, was like, Nope,
this is great. After all of us were like, God,
what's happening? Like people are really dunking on this, right,
he was like, Nope, this is great. We have one
water cooler moment after another and after another and after another.

(01:15:51):
And in a way, I feel like the danger there
is that the people who make the show are now
motivated by those water cooler mobe exclusively, and so they
want us to be talking about the Samantha thing as
if it's like like that cheapens the experience of watching
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Why would you keep it so she filmed this in March,
why would you keep it a secret for all pr rollout? Yes,
And I completely understand that, but it's just like, okay,
so you would never have told us that Big died
in the premiere of season one, right, right, but you
would tell us that Samantha is returning when the number
one water cooler conversation about the show is will she

(01:16:25):
or will she not return? And in what capacity? So
by the same argument, like, should you have told us
that Big was gonna die? Like, I guess we quote
unquote all would have watched. And some people are saying
that because there's a conversation about the quality of and
just like that not being up to snuff with sex
and the city, that there was going to be a
drop off, and so they had to do things like
that or this, like in terms of revealing the plot elements.

(01:16:48):
And I'm like, I don't think that's true. I just
don't think that if you watched the entirety of it,
just like that season one, and you are someone who
participates in culture and the consumption of culture in the
way this is and this is the monoculture, which is
I guess what we're all here for and why we
have this in the first place. You're not gonna not
watch this show. And if that's the case, then like

(01:17:09):
maybe you do have a quality issue and you have
to look at that. But you already told us that
Aiden was gonna be there, So why did we need
it spoiled for us that Samantha is gonna be there?

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
And it's also like even if you said she's coming back,
then just say that don't say it's gonna be one
scene in the finale and it's not with the other characters.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
She did not interact with any of her castmates, didn't
interact with Michael Patrick King, Patricia Field came back for
one scene.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Okay, cool, so it's gonna be a gag. She'll be
dressed well whoa Okay, who cares?

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Who cares? Yeah, it's already it's not off to a
great start. I mean, we'll all be watching.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
But that's the thing is, it's like we're gonna watch
and that's but that's exactly my point.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I totally understand we were gonna watch. It is people
chasing entry into the monoculture at the expense of like
an actual enjoyable experience of like consuming it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
You know, yes, and you know what, wonder what was
great about the monoculture or that time. It's like we
could watch something and not know what was going to happen.
We could watch something and enjoy it altogether and have
that cathartic experience altogether. Now what you've done is you've
moved that cathartic, like communal experience to like a deadline article,
And that sucks a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Shit it's a bit shit. Beis shit. I can't do it, but.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
That's how I feel about that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
I mean, I'm just it was just like, wow, after
all of that, you're gonna announce it in the trades
in the trade now after you've also used it as like,
you know, like a bait and switch all first season
long about the text with her and then Carrie being
in the same city as her and then meeting like
agreeing to meet up, Like now you're gonna announce in

(01:18:52):
the trades.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
It just felt really cheap to me, And.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Like, this is the thing about like when you talk
to Cynthia about like the discord being a compliment.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
The discourse was a compliment.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Because it was about the wildness of chag Yeah, the
craziness of these like women like changing and like not
in line with what the original show was doing because
it got people to talk about what was happening in
the show. This is talking about the macro outside of
the show, and that is not interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
That is not interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
It's the equivalent of when you watch a Housewives reunion
and all they talk about is social media.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
It's like, it's not fun, it's not interesting. I kind
of don't care about behavioral things. No, like about like
these like real actors or these real people.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
If we cared, then there would be a demand for
like you know, there's like no demand to hear more
about the story. I think everyone's just exhausted by it.
And so now to hear that, oh, she's coming back,
but don't worry. The needle still hasn't moved on anything
in terms of the relationships or whatever. Okay, so now
it's just like you're reminding us this is not an
interesting story for what to come back and do. One

(01:20:01):
scene after, Kim Cattrall has expressly talked about how uncomfortable
she is playing the character, like so, what are we
supposed to expect that she got a huge payday and
you got her or that like she has.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
No integrity, you know what I mean? Like, what is
it that we're.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Saying there's no way it's gonna be worth it? No,
Like there's nobody that we watch him. We're like, ugh, that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Really she is? And thank god, I know that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Scratched something like no way, because you know for a
fact that she begrudgingly came back pretty much against her will.
I can't even like ethically consume it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Watch Glamorous on Netflix later in the month to see
Kim Coatrol every episode.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
And Matt Rogers and Joel Kim Mooster in.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
We Are in the eighth episode the season. I did
not share scenes with Kim, but Kim is Kim all
over that show.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Kim is in the show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
She's in it in a major way every episode, even
not just.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
One scene, She's in every every episode.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
But watch Sex in the City and just like that,
get like get for fifty thousand times more conversation over
her one scene than her entire performance in Glamorous. Like
it's like, I hope not, but you know, it's just so,
you know what, start a new monoculture glamorous.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Glamorous, Make glamorous part of the monomae.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Make glamorous part of the monoculture.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
It's rural culture number nine, Make glamorous part of the monoculture.
And then in ten years when Kim returns to the
Glamorous reboot, I don't want to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
That it's one scene. No should be an old woman.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Imagine her saying this about him, Zane Phillips. I just
wish you were nicer. I just wish you were nicer.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
I just wish you were nicer, and then she tags
Zaye on Instagram and say, hey, at Zane Phillips, leave me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Alone, do not wish me well? Give them good troll. Okay,
shout out to Zaye, shout out to say we love you,
Love you boy, love you, love you, love you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Okay, So this is your I don't think so, honey.
This is your sort of big moment on the episodes
of Dragon Rea and are you excited? I'm excited, all right,
this is I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
I don't think so, honey, saying if you died tomorrow, well,
let's hope. I don't you know when people are like,
if you die tomorrow, oh my god, I bet you
like this is the picture that would like make me happy.
I'm gonna say someone said this to me recently. I
might have even been my sister yan Yang. I love
you so much, but why center a picture of us

(01:22:32):
at Disney World? And she was like, if you die tomorrow,
I remember you buy this phote out and go huh
huh yeah yeah thirty seconds. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
I don't want to die.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
And this is not this is not an attack on
my sister. Oh, this is just people. Why do people
say that? Why is that like a phrase in the
culture and the English language? If you die tomorrow, I
really hope. I don't. Should I be worried? Do you
know something? I don't? Doctor? Doctor five seconds? If you
ever say to me if you die tomorrow, I will

(01:23:06):
say that's not appropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
I don't think so, honey, that I'll ever say this
to you. And that's one minute on you, and I
would say this, what are the great tragedies of my life?
One day will be your dad.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
No, it will be you die before me. I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
So I'm looking at you in the eyes and saying,
I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
The way the universe is working, I think for both
of us is that you will not have to suffer sadness.
You will not have to suffer that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
I can't do grief.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Can I say I can't do it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
I cannot do it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
If this is how I act after, like, oh, oh
my god, don't even get some other.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Things in my life, I can't be doing grief. I
have to go first. And I'm really apologized, and I
understand this is like a morbid thing to even get into.
And I don't even like getting into it, but I
have to go first.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
All my acquaintances, friends, even my enemies. No, I don't
want to say anyone to go. I'd like to go first, please,
I don't want to deal. And then y'all have a
renaissance concert for my funeral.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Do the matt Rogers eras do the Matt rod Oh oh,
that'll be a great show. That will be a joyful show.
Literally after work one day, we're sitting around. Someone asks
where do you think we go when we and then
we literally go around the circle and then like the
conversation shifts too. Someone was like, this is a really

(01:24:27):
wild question, but I'm so curious to know. They were like,
have you been in the presence of someone when they passed,
like at someone's bedside, and it was three of us.
Two of them were like yes, oh my gosh, And
I was like and then it made me realize. I
was like, I'm sorry, I have nothing to contribute to this,
and that's okay. It's not something I've experienced and one
day I will. One day I might. And I'm right

(01:24:48):
there with you, my sister.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
You're gonna watch me fire.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
God. I hope we die at the same time, because
I literally can't do grief because I'm in my depression
era and you are pulling me out of it every moment.
I'm with you, but I cannot experience true loss. If
my sister goes, I'm done, If my parents go I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
I don't want it. I don't I'd rather not.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
I'd rather not. And again, Yang, if you're listening, I
know you are. That was not I don't think Sony
about you. It was just you said that, and I
was like, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Here's the thing, here's the t We're actually both in
depression era.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Your girl, this podcaster is also newly medicated and I'm
loving it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Yes, but the fact is it's hard. It's difficult to
live sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
And you need Even if Taylor's Hood concert or Beyonce
won't be the panacea, it's sisterhood.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
And you cut off my sisterhood. You cut off my
life support period starring Queen Latifa.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Yes, is that is that the movie you interviewed her on?

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
So I interviewed her years ago about Secret Life would
And one of my favorite stories ever is that I
was eighteen years old. I was writing for the NYU
newspaper and I was doing the film features and film
Revie and I got to see the Secret Life of
Bees early and then in part of a group, I
got to interview Gina Prince Bythewood, Sophia Canado, and Queen Latifa,

(01:26:10):
and I sort of flopped on Gina and Sophie just
because I was nervous and like, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Didn't know how. It wasn't nice to you, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
She wasn't nice.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
It was Another interviewer was like, he cut you off,
So do you want to answer that question again? And
I was like, oh, I wasn't. Kind of I didn't
mean to, but it was a flop. So que Latifa
comes in and she's luminous, she's super star, she is
platinum blonde hair, it's everything she's in her Secret Life
of Bees bad bag. So then at the end, everyone's

(01:26:37):
like lining up to get their like press packet signed. Yeah,
and everyone that's going up to her is like, I
love this movie and I love you in Chicago. I
love you in Chicago. I love you in Chicago. She
goes yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, I'm
really about to gag her a bit. So I go
up to her and I say, I just want to
say I loved you in Life Support. And she looked

(01:26:59):
up and she looked me in the eyes and she said,
thank you so much, baby, you got the baby.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
And I said, I know that's right. I said, I
know that's right. That's you know how to connect.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
I said, I'm saying the AIDS movie that I genuinely love.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Of course, and then she goes, this man genuinely loved
the AIDS movie.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
She said, this gay boy watched the AIDS movie that
I was in, and I'm gonna thank him and I'm
gonna look him in his eyes. I'm gonna swipe my
platinum blonde hair out of my face in my Secret.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Life of Bee's bag and call him baby.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
And say thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
I love that story so much. We end every episode
with the song when You're Good, So Good.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
To get more of that song, Watch Chicago, starring Queen
La Diva and Richard Gere, Bye Bye,

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