"Exit Interview (The Cathartic Episode)" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look there, Oh, I see you my own look over
there is that the culture Yeah, goodness, lost culture ding dong,
lost culturistas calling much has changed. Look at our environment.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Look at the environment, y'all. I think we are going
to cozy up here down here on the I'm gonna
call it the Malala Room.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, okay, so we we remember the time when Malala
kicked us out of our normal That was the best
thing to ever happen.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Give Malala more prizes and accolades for this impact she's had,
she continues, Malala, come on the show, honestly, six no,
she's coming.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, We're going to do it. And now we have to
have her, Oh my god, a kickball episode.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
We should have a sports something where or just like
live from the court.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
What do I call it a kick? Did you? Would
you call it a kick diamond? Kickball diamond? This is
really where we we falter in terms of expertise.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
We hosted damn sports podcast somehow imagine that. Imagine that
if you don't know, now you know, two guys, five rings,
which we can confirm for the millionth time is the
name of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
And no one stopped us and they can't now and
they can't now and premiered. I loved that.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
On Today's show this week, you had Miss Jenna Bushager
kind of giggling to herself because I was like, of
course she knows, Oh she knew she was knocking back
the Captain Morgan in college watching that video.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Let me remember the Billie Idol song Rebel Yale. You
think that that was Jenna Bushager. I fucking love her.
I am obsessed with her. I love her. I'm having
the best time, literally, I really I was. I was
saying I don't really have much to promote, but then
I was like, oh wait, yes I do our full
blown two Guys five Rings podcast. Yes. So I was like, oh, yeah,
of course I'll go back and I'm the last friend.

(01:49):
That's that says a lot. And so I made a
whole joke about how that meant I was tecond place.
But by the way, I just do want to say,
I knew the entire time I wasn't getting that job.
I did not want that job. Just to talk about
employment status, my employment status at NBC and then we'll
get to him, but I was still employed. Everyone was like, ah, like,

(02:09):
were you disappointed? I was like a no, I don't.
I wouldn't want that schedule. Be Chanelle Jones should have
the job a legend, and I I will say, I
knew the whole time I wasn't actually getting it, and
but I did like that everyone thought I was a contender.
I liked being in that conversation. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
You liked being in the mix, as they say, And
just how perfect is it that you got to work
in morning television.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Ultimately at the end of this week, I'll have hosted
it twenty times. Wow, Yeah, they got they got to
get it. Get you a smoking jacket for that, truly,
I guess that I would have four SNL jackets at
this point. Yes, And just to speak on SNL, what
is that forgotten now? Of course? So if you've been

(02:59):
living under it, damn not even a rock, a boulder,
a big rock. You may not know that. Bowen Yang,
my sister here, my co host, my bestie, has decided
to suddenly depart, shockingly, suddenly depart. This is seven and
a half years the shocking departure, so sudden.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
So now, well, this is the thing, this is honestly
what's behind it. It's like it's time, like you would
do seven seasons and then you would skew it, and
then like COVID and the current media landscape, the current
like entertainment ecosystem is like so turbulent that like people

(03:41):
have completely valid reasons for staying longer, or in a
lot of cases don't have the like privilege of staying
on as long as they would like to. I have
this very beautiful thing where I get to say that
I stayed on exactly as long as I wanted to.
Maybe I'm sure, and I've said this before, I was
maybe unsure about going back in the summer, and I'm

(04:02):
so glad I did.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
When did you make I feel like, Oh my god, Barbara.
That's the part where I ask a lot of questions
that I know the answers to. But I mean, I've
been really waiting to do this episode with you, and
I've also been waiting to do an episode with just you,
and I know a lot of people out there have
been wanting us to as well. And it's not because
we don't want to, guys, it's whenever we're not together
just us. It's just because logistically we could not do it,

(04:27):
and we feel like we if we're going to do
a culture catch up episode. It should be a culture
catchup episode, and so that's what it is. And the
podcast is many different things and will continue to be
many different things, and we hope it surprises you week
to week. But I've been waiting for this because I'm
excited to hear how you're feeling. How are you feeling?

(04:48):
I feel so good.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I also want to point out the tea is like
you're saying, like you know, say the tea, you already
know the answers to these questions you're about to ask.
But also, I don't think you and I have really
talked about this.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Not really. I wasn't able to be there, which hurt
my heart. But I was there the last time. I
thought it was the last show exact exactly, and I
was there in spirit, sobbing, laying on my back in
my Orlando hotel because I couldn't believe just how perfectly
it was ending like that is.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's like landing the Mars Rover on like a square
foot of terrain. It was like there were no guarantees
about how any of it was going to shake out,
Like I want lots.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Of unruly like you know, factors.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Totally like working there is just making peace with the
fact that like things are completely out of your control,
down to like the audience response to a joke, you know,
like that is I think that, and like I think
having that and like going into it, like down to
like twelve fifty five am not being sure if that's sketch.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Was going to go to air.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I was like, there's a million reasons why I could
get cut. Nothing is guaranteed. Like that is sort of
in a nutshell, like it kind of is perfectly like
illustrative of what that job is, and it like was
resonant all the way through to the end. And I feel,
really this word is meaningless, I think maybe now, but
like so grateful, I.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Don't think that word is meaningless at all, because I
think that there probably were so many times during that
experience where you didn't know if you were going to
be able to end the experience of working there with gratitude.
So many different people have many different kinds of experiences
leaving that show.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, like you come in and there is like a
shared experience of being at SNL, but then ultimately it
comes down to like there's like a collectivism there, but
there's an individualism in terms of like everyone is on
their own journey there. Yeah, everyone has a different like
length of their tenure, completely different struggles. It is like

(06:59):
what the experience of living is, which is like it
is suffering to the point of having to arrive at
a nihilism and then you create your own meaning from there.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
That is what that job is.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Of course, the poll quote's going to be like bowen
Yan calls us and all suffering, like, but it is.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I actually think this year, I give so much less
of a fuck about what the poll quote. Yeah, yeah, totally.
And we were texting last night. I'm just so excited
about the future of the podcast now, I really am. Yeah,
not that I don't think that this is going to
change it necessarily in terms of you not being there. Yeah,
I just mean, like I don't know. I think after everything,

(07:38):
like after this whole year, just like looking back and
looking forward, it's like, this is the thing that's so
been so consistent for us. Yes, and it's the thing
that I want to honor and bring honesty to and
like yes, authenticity to and my number one main focus.
And I think that because of the past seven and
a half years, like your energy being you know, primarily

(08:02):
focused there. Now. What's so exciting to me for you
is even what you said the other day about how
you were, Like, you know what's crazy. I don't have
to tell someone I'm unavailable just because they want to
do something in the fall. Like I don't have to say, oh,
my October is booked out, you know what I mean?
Like you actually have like freedom now to put energy

(08:24):
into whatever it is that you want.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
It's harder to get out of an unwanted plan, right,
that is that's true?

Speaker 1 (08:31):
True?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, but no, you're right, And I also want to
acknowledge and honor the fact that like this is this
is like a joint tandem experience for us, because like
the show gave us a lot the show meeting, we
like went through it together, and like I think, in
a very like evident way, we were it was like

(08:54):
one of us was on the show, but I think
we were both like living with it.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, obviously I did not
experience working there, but like I always felt like it
was a part of my life because of its omnipresence. Yeah,
and not just yours, but also Sudy's also so many people.
And so I think that what I've always been looking
forward to for you is just more autonomy, yes, but

(09:22):
just to speak again about the experience, that's.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Like interviewer energy being directed at me. So excited.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Bowhen Yang is the guest on this week's podcast. But
in terms of like you said, you're feeling really good
and that you're grateful that it all ended up the
way it ended up, how do you think you'll feel
when the first episode of the new season comes up.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Well, we're going to be in Japan, busy by busy
purpose not I think both. I think this is like
so basically what's happening for me, for both of us,
is that you're kind of like fire hosing new sensory
experiences towards us. Like we're going to be like eating food,

(10:11):
going like like listening to sounds, touching things.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Like by touching things. What just we're just second we
were going to go to a petting zoo, and I
had around my head around that it's sometimes hard for
me to think about touching animals. You know that we're going.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
To the the Nintendo Museum. Oh that's we're going to
the Gheblee Museum.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Hot ticket. We are We're going to be touching things
so I think it's it's just funny because I feel
like I I sometimes like trying to redirect it back
to the show. Yes, okay, but no, But like I
guess it's exciting that you feel excited about other things,
because I didn't know how you were going to feel
after it ended, because it does warp you a little bit,

(10:55):
Like I can give that take now that you're not there.
Like there were times where I would to the show
and you would be there and I was like, what happened?
I know? You know what I mean? The energy could
alternately be so high and unbelievable and the best energy
you could ever experience, or through the floor to the
point where I'm like, why are we even doing this?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I well, you know what Matt Whitakers, our friend Matt
Whitaker said to me. He was like, by the end,
it seemed like even if you had like a light
show or like a bad week like you just on Saturdays,
like it didn't stick to you. Like you kind of
showed up. You were like, Okay, here's the rundown, let's
go out to music. Like when this sketch goes up,
like I had like and this is and this is

(11:36):
an indicator for me that like, oh wow, like this
is this is so.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Beautifully sort of.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Wrote to me that like that comfort is like not
necessarily the point of being here, Like there is such
a beautiful crucible of that show. And now that like
I'm done with it, now that I'm through the gauntlet
of it, I'm like, that is one of the most

(12:07):
meaningful experiences I will ever have. I can't believe I
got the thing that happened during the last sketch ye
the Stelter Lounge sketch was I look out and I
was like, I don't know. I don't know if like
emotionally this is going to be like necessarily the resonant thing,
because what happens According to some alums that I've talked to,

(12:30):
including Adie Bryant, she was like, oh, like I cried
more on Wednesday at the read through than I did
on Saturday. And I was like, oh, interesting like that,
like I was sobbing at the reathroe in front of
everyone not and like why do you think here's why
in this sketch I say, you know, it's like a
metatextual thing. It's like, oh, it's my last shift at

(12:50):
adulta lounge but in the sketch, I say, I've loved
everyone here. I've loved every single person who works here,
Like I immediately broke down because like I was, and.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You knew it was a lie. Well, yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Gonna say because I was, because I was, like, because
I was telling the truth. Sure, no, I'm being a bitch,
of course, of course. And there's like even the struggles
with people there at which anyone would have with any
any colleague.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
They have, but of course they're in the most heightened
experienced atmosphere, Like those are gonna be hot and cold
relationships to say the least, but those are.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
So valuable one hundred percent. I've learned how to work
under what seems like an immense amount of pressure, which
it kind of isn't, a kind of isn't. But it's
like I've learned so many things that have applied to
so many other things. I always said, like the credits
don't transfer. I would always like go into like press

(13:53):
stuff for the show and be like, oh, you know,
it's so fun, Like I love that job, and it's
but you know, the process, this is so singular. There
you have an idea on Tuesday, and it could be
on TV by Saturday. Doesn't work like that anywhere else.
It's a dream factory. I don't have to memorize lines.
I just read off the que card I pitched the rafters,
I say the credit stone transfer. Like this isn't how
it works anywhere else in show business. But yet Culture

(14:16):
Words is a perfect example. I was like, Oh, I
think this benefited both of us that, like I had
an understanding of like what to do, how to do it,
how to work with someone like Liz Patrick.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, who's the director of SNL, who directed the director
of the Culture Words.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I was like, like that was kind of like the
veneer cracking on, like that idea for me.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I cried on Wednesday at the read through because I
was telling the truth and because there are no other
occasions for someone to say that at that place, right,
because we have to just like be like funny and
I like ironic, and there's a refraction of like what's
being said and how it should be received. And like

(14:57):
I will absolutely cop to the fact that Delta one
sketch was like completely self indulgent, because like what am
I gonna do? Like that's fine, tell a straight like
give a straight joke bag.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Well, for a second, I thought that you're because it
did weirdly feel like you for the eighty trend Forecasters
Weekend Update Peace to be the last thing, because that
was eighties last thing. And I think that that also
speaks the fact that that was eighties last thing and
she was on the show for ten years and she

(15:28):
wasn't necessarily she was not given that type of platform
like you were given, and we should say, very very
very few people have been given that. Yes, I think
it's like actually quite rare, and so I guess my
question is, as it's going and you know what that's

(15:49):
what that's felt like at the read through and everything
like that, and it's getting to be like it's you know,
it's twelve fifty one fifty two, did you think there
was a possibility that it would not happen? Because in
a way you had that moment and therefore, like you
you've been in the costume before when things are cut.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Literally I've been in the costume when things are cut.
It is completely devastating because you are just like emotionally.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
On edge.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
You're gearing up for something. Literally you were in the
gear for something, and then like it gets taken away
from you. I want to say that, like because of
the Wednesday thing and just like going into that week
at all, I was already like blessed by the fact
that it was Ari as the host, share as the
musical guy.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, while my whole thing was, how were you supposed
to stay after that? And you could never have gone
back after that? I thought after the fiftieth it could never.
I was like I didn't understand how why you were
coming back this season, like just to be candidate, because
I was like, it's after the fiftieth, you know what
I mean, Like it felt like other people were going
to leave and then you went back, and now it's like,

(16:56):
I'm so.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Grateful you went back, and I'm so grateful I went back,
and like as so as the night's going on, like
I was completely sent about it.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Either way, it was okay. Either way it was okay
because eighty was there. There was just I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
There was like an outpouring Yeah, people that I hadn't
heard from ye people.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
That like I I'm sorry, it's people. It just felt like.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
A really beautiful thing where what it was saying earlier,
like as I get on the floor, like I look out.
It was like basically like everyone who worked there on
the floor showing up, and I just looked down and
I thought, I'm so lucky that I ever got to
work here, and I'm so lucky that I get to
make this like little statement that's like barely veiled where

(17:49):
I'm like, I love you all, Like it was, I'm
so lucky.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
And it's not really like a place where I'm, like
you said, like where emotions get laid bare like that.
I feel like people may remember highlights of the show
where it feels like that might be the case, but
you working their day in and day out year after
a year, you know, Yeah, it's not someplace where it's
like you're necessarily like free to be like, hey, this
is how I'm feeling, and I'm expressing it exactly responsibly,

(18:20):
et cetera. And so that was a question I had
for you, is how do you think you've emotionally grown
as a result of being on that show and the
experiences that you've had doing it.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I feel like I've been accelerated in terms of, like,
you know, how like a presidency.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Ages you like, yes, twelve years or whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
In one term, like, I feel like completely I don't
know either I'm like ripened or I'm like rotten. Yeah,
I've experienced the full spectrum of things, because you're right,
like working there is completely dysregulating emotionally, like either you
are soaring or you are like completely in the dumps.

(19:02):
And that's just how like it's like them's the breaks, kid,
It's like that. It's like a show busy blow hard.
I'm not saying this is anyone in particular, but it's
just like it's just like you are constantly reminded by
someone or something or some event where you're like, God,
this is just this is just how it is. This
is how it is. And every week you get like

(19:24):
a condensed version of like a developmental process on a project,
let's say, and Jesse David Fox writes about this, like
all three words in SNL Saturday Night Live are about time,
and it is just time sort of like encroaching on
you emotionally, physically, process wise, creatively, like it is all

(19:46):
those things bearing down on you. And then if you
have the time to figure out how to deal with
all of that, then you will be so well equipped
for everything else. And that doesn't matter if you're on
the cast if you're a writer, if you're in the
word of department, and if you're in any other place
at that show, like it is wow, every department there
is a convocation of the most amazing people with this

(20:10):
workman link attitude about showing up and doing the job
and not having an ego about it. And then of
course there are moments where you have an ego about it.
It is like a collective thing, and like I guess
there was like some perception that like I felt like
exceptional in any way. I really did it anytime I
got like some shine on me, My genuine instinct was

(20:32):
always to make it about everyone who works there.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean, I do notice that about you. And that's
why I was so happy that that moment happened at
the end of the show, because, like I said, I
was like, oh wow, it would be very like him
for this thing with eighty to be enough for him.
But I was really happy that you got more than that,

(20:56):
because I do think, I mean, you've done it several
times today, You've made your experience just mentioned you trying
to bring me into it. I ain't got nothing to
do with yes, you do, you have you experienced like
all of this stuff in a way. And I one
thing I want to say is that not everyone leaves
that show and is like ready to positively impact the
workforce creatively. I can tell you that sure. And so

(21:18):
the fact that you are leaving intact emotionally, creatively and
like in terms of your humanity is like, you know,
it's a feat. There was a feat. There was no
other way.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I'm gonna say, like, it's that Seth Myers thing where
he's like or no, my shoemaker told Seth, You're gonna
be talking about this for the rest of your life,
like congrat Like when you got the job, it's like, congratulations,
You're gonna be talking about this for the rest of you.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, that is true. For me.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I will try to keep it at like a reasonable volume.
I am like, oh god, sorry, these are these these
thoughts are just coming at me. No. Of course, pol
or Amy, before she left the after party when she
hosted the second episode this season, puts a hand on
my shoulder, looks into my eyes and goes, we're all

(22:05):
waiting for you on the other side.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I was like, fuck, yeah, that's so much. It's
like this is crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
And then that was like a reminder of like, oh
my god, I work here, and like this is like
and there's another side, and there's another side, and like
I does feel like I've died and the end like
there's like one of my heroes is like looking down
at me and like telling me, like and even like
eighty has been, like there's a really nice life waiting
for you after this. You'll miss it every day. Kristin

(22:34):
Wig text you. Of course she'll be here in a
couple of weeks. She'll be here in a couple weeks.
But of course she texted me, and then I texted
her back. I was like, Kristin, like I will never forget,
like the first time you hosted when I was here,
Like the thing you told me was enjoy it because
it's the funnest job in the world.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I remember when she said that to you, never forgot,
you know. We were talking when we were shooting pont Royal.
We were talking about this, and I remember like saying
to her like because she too, so got like a
send off like that, And I remember I not to
share too much about what we talked about, but I
was kind of I was kind of in my mind,
I was like your best friend and also as someone

(23:09):
who watches the show and enjoys the show and the
legacy of the show and felt you deserved it. I
was like, how do we make it so that he
gets like a good, nice moment, and like, I think,
I think that ultimately, in terms of the totality of
what it could have been, it probably was like beyond
your wildest dreams. I guess my question is with that, like,
does Arianna become de facto your favorite host of all time? Yeah,

(23:33):
there's no other answer.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Sorry, Kiky Palmer, Sorry you read for a while.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Sorry, Regina King. I loved how unselfish the whole thing was,
you know what I mean, like because it takes so
much confidence and like so much star quality to come
in there like her fourth time hosting and knowing you
felt on her, in her in her energy, the being
there with you that a her number one goal was

(24:01):
servicing that sketch, which meant honoring like what was happening
for you in it, and she was so there right
next to you. But be the like positivity she had
that she's gonna come back and do that so many
many other times, because not every host would be like, yeah,
let me give up the whole last sketch of this
six minutes of the time for this cast member. But

(24:22):
it was her and she did that. And it's not
only because she's a good friend. It's because she's a
really professional host who doesn't have like an ego about
her time now, which I think is like pretty cool
and worth calling out. And the fact that shar did
not have to walk her ass out there. No.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Oh in the share thing, well, okay, I'll get to
the share thing. I want to say. In terms of
the sketch itself, Like my only wish is that like
we hauld gotten like a bunch of other cast in there,
ideally the entire cast in there, because it is just
like me just like I don't know, not imparting anything,
but it's just like I just I want to be
there with like the other people. It did just come

(25:08):
down to logistics, like we did. We had like Mikey
and Sarah there in the back, just like cleaning up
the mess. Oh and so like the eggnog machine was
supposed to like be on the fritz and like spray everywhere.
It was supposed to spray Keene, it was supposed to
spray Jane. It was just supposed to spray the people
it was spraying. It just kind of got too much.
It got to be too much. And Lorne came up
to me and celest before before the show, after dress

(25:30):
and he was just like, I think it's better. It's
just you guys, and you just play into the emotion
of it. He was right, And then Celesti and I
were like, Lorne Michaels knows how to produce.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
So Celeste came back to write that, So.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Le Us came back to write that. We wrote some
other stuff too. We wrote a share family Reunion, which
I'm so sad.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Oh this is a thing. Well, we'll get to share later.
This is the thing. You were still getting shit cut
at the end.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Of course, it's totally totally fine, not like, well you
can have this, but you can't have everything. I never
look and I'm always like yeah, yeah, yeah, like cut
my stuff, like Keanu still has his stuff cut. Yeah,
it's not a thing.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
You don't. I don't necessarily you don't get a platinum
card at the show. No.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
And my other thing was like there was like a
soft thing maybe where like I would get like there
was a designated like I was talking to Dismukes about
this and James Austin Johnson about this, like, it did
feel like I would get like there would be like
a designated Bowen spot and then the list of list
of picks on Wednesday, and I'm like, that's also my
cue to leave. But I do not want the footprint

(26:30):
to be edging out other people. Literally, I'm honest to god.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
That's really noble. That was it. It's not everyone has that.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I was just like, no, no, no, no, no, that
can't be it. Yeah, you know, when it's time to go, right,
I'm like, this is this is Swift said that Taylor Swift,
that legend.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
But anyway, the Ariostour documentary, can you imagine that?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yes, I can, I can wait wait wait, wait, off
so many other things. Wait, oh yes, I I wish
they were there were other cast in that piece. We
did just have to like if there had to be one,
if there had to be now stop he was.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I was so happy they did that.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Come on, I mean yeah, everybody and like, I don't know, man,
that is a really I can't believe I got to
work there. And I said in the sketch that is
the thing that I will like keep saying like I
can't believe it feels like it happened to someone else.
I'm so glad it happened to me. I am going

(27:33):
to pull you into this experience because I got to
tell Genna Rositana, the stage manager there, one of the
many wonderful stage managers there.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
She's an icon. She's an icon.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
But I she kind of cried the hardest out of
anybody besides Ari. I was like, Jenna, you well, first
of all, she said something that like destroyed me, which
was and this is not me like bragging.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
She just goes. I never she goes. She goes to me.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
She's seen a lot of behavior on that floor. She's like,
I've never seen you raise your voice or be unkind
to anyone in the seven years.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Were you, which like means a lot to me. Yeah,
it means a lot to me. Well that's why everyone
hit the floor when you when you were leaving.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
But I told her, I was like, Jenna, from the
very first time I met you, you were just so
kind to me. Because I came down to the hallway
outside of the studio just to like wripe a cue
cards because you could kind of hear what's going on stage.
I was I came down to the floor to listen
to your screen test because I was I was, I

(28:38):
just wanted to. I just wanted to like be close
and just like I don't know, send energy or something.
And then she was there and she was like, are
you lost, And I was like, no, no, I just
my best friend in the whole world is on stage.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Right now, and I just want to I just want
to see how he's doing.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
And then she she completely breaks down. She was like,
that's your best friend up there. Well, then stay as
long as you want, and just she I see her
as like a bridge. I don't know, like, yeah, I
always think of you when I'm with her, and I
always think about how Kanji was to me and how.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
She loves you. I know, I wish I could.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
She loves you. We will go we will go back.
She wants to get stone and watch Sopranos. Let's go
for us. Oh my god, that's fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
She's watching the Stone were getting ripped and watching the Sopranos.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
She's the just oh god, sorry, I'm a massing, you know,
I mean, like it is.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
It is such a crazy thing in totality, like there
have been so many moments where I'm watching it and
I'm like, I can't believe this is happening. I can't
believe this is happening. And then at some point that
transition to like me like completely just like marinating in
this experience, and then like of watching you do this show,

(30:00):
and then it ended in that moment and I was like,
I was like I was like alone watching it, which
felt so crazy, and like, of course all of our
friends are texting me from your dressing room and like
they're all there, and I could like smell it and
feel like I could feel how hot it was in
the room, like and I was just like, god, like

(30:23):
it really is. But it didn't feel it felt conclusive.
It did not feel final. Oh interesting, you know what
I mean. Like it felt like it was like a
wonderful way for this to conclude this chapter, but it
didn't feel like like you'll be back on that show hosting,
like you know what I mean. And I think it's

(30:44):
so great that you get to have this great relationship
with the show and everyone that works there, and yeah,
I mean, just for it to end that wonderfully, I
think gives all the validity to what Jenna is saying.
It would not have been that way had you not
done it like a pro, like a kind person and
like a talent, like the talent that you are. So

(31:08):
I take my hat and all my clothes off to you.
Oh I'm naked. If you can't see, I'm completely nude.
I've been completely nude doing this interview, this exit interview
title of app with Bowen. Is there anything else you
want to say about it before we talk about heated
rivalry or whatever? The fuck? Yes?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I need to just point out the share element of it,
which was we weren't sure if she was going to
do it down to like Saturday, yeah, because it was
like we wrote a bunch of different versions of it
and she, uh, you know, she just wanted spare dialogue

(31:50):
because it's like a she will tell you she's a
dyslexic icon.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yes, oh my god, we haven't.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
We also haven't talked about her memoir, which whatever, we
will definitely j Block doing the It trades off between
Share and Stephane J Block doing the reading together because
she's like, you're gonna notice that someone besides me is
on the is on the audiobook, and it's the wonderful
Stephanie J Block, who played me in the Share show
or whatever. By the way, Okay, we were so what
a gig to score for seventy block? Ye's such a gig.

(32:18):
We were to share family reunion. It did not get me.
It did not go but I, but Celeste and I
had the perfect experience of running around on Wednesday to
all the casts offices because they're like, I don't have
a Share. I'm like, ah, straight people don't have a share.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Gay guys do. Every gay guy gig. Every gig guy
has the same share. Like they kind of understood what
that was. I tell them, I didn't tell them about Snap.
I had to tell them about Snap out of It.
But it's like I had to teach Ashley Padilla. You
had to tell people about Snap out of It. It
was beautiful. Oh no, I didn't have to tell them

(32:53):
about Snap out of It. That people just don't know
the culture anymore. People just don't know the culture.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
And this is not this is not just to to
like evaluate anything about SHARE's legacy or cultural impact. It's
just that like it's a gig guy thing to like
have share in their bones. Anyway, we weren't sure if
there was gonna do it, and then Saturday, she uh confirms,
We're so excited, and then she uh, you know, she
was alway gonna be the boss. But then like we wrote,

(33:17):
we wrote her like us like some zingy, like roasty lines,
like the original line was something along the lines of
like I was like, do you have any feedback for me?
And she would say something like, you know, even for me,
you were a little bit too gay or something like that.
But then she was like I want to I don't.
She's like, I want to be kind. She was like,
can I.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Just say like you were perfect?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
And she was like I just want I just want
to kiss them or something. And then and then like
and then we had to we to go and like
pitch to her that she would maybe sing if we
would love for if she sang with us at the end, yeah,
and because that was a question mark two.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
And then we go down. I go to her dressing room,
oh man, and I was like.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
So it's please come On from Christmas by the Eagles
and Charles Brown and you've covered it and I loved
your cover of it on the album. She was like, okay,
but what part do you want me to sing? And
I was like, it's just gonna be the end, So
do you want to run it? And I was like,
oh my god. I was like, there'll be no my sorrow,
not to grieve in pain. And then as far away

(34:17):
from me as this microphone is, she's like, She's like,
this is close to me, and then with the full
force of share my god, she.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Goes, no, my heaven, that's it. Wasn't like that. She
did not crap, but she just gave me full.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Full force share directed at and I was like, it
felt like a card crashed into me. I was, yeah,
I'm I can't believe. I can't believe every she did that. Yeah, anyway,
that's all I have to say. Let's talk heated rivalry.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
He has ended the conversation everybody, even though this was
my interview. Oh, well, anything anything else you want to ask? Really?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I do know all of it. Like I said, you
can't shock me with anything. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Is there anything else? I mean not really? I guess
what's next for you? Oh? What is next for you? Wait?
What's next? You should we say? Anything? Wonderful things? Well?

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I love this like press run of like Bowen's first
major project post SNL is.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Two guys five Oh I love it.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Not that I'm not honored to have that technically be
the first project post SNL.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's like, well, let's not. Yeah, the Olympics podcast we're doing.
I mean we are going to Milan. We actually we
have a very fun next few months. Yes, so it's
funny because like we do have to we have to
execute this movie. Yes, we have to write our book. Yes,
we got to get the New Culture Awards together. That's

(35:58):
gonna be very fun. We have to we have some
other things that are have not hit the trades, but
there's there's a long list of things. And so that's
another thing is I was, like, to be honest with you,
it like really wasn't tenable for you to keep knocking
on the show because we're going to be in debt
soon to these people. Yes, like, which is so exciting.

(36:18):
I think it's like there is It's it's not even
like what's the next act. It's like there is a
next act. Just wait. Like it's like you don't have
to decide on anything. If if you added things to
our and your plate, that would be great, but you
don't even need to bitch. And I just want to
make sure that you know that the pace at which
you've been going in the workload that you've had has

(36:40):
been abnormal, and so it's gonna feel a little bit
like less. And I just I feel like as someone
who it's really interesting because like I have had this
whole other like career outside of like what you've had,
Like I feel like you got to develop for such
a for seven and a half years at this show,

(37:01):
and like everything and my resume is like a little
bit different. Like for me, it's like a ton of
other things. And I've had a lot of different experience.
I think You're so perfect at all of them. But well,
I do think that sometimes it was a little bit
like because it's like when you are right next to

(37:21):
someone else, like all you have to do is like
compare yourself to them. It's like you know what I mean.
It's like with like sisters or like twins, it's like
if something happens to one, the other one almost feels
like why isn't it happening to me? So I do
feel like sometimes I would like overcorrect and like really
really really push myself to make sure that like I

(37:41):
would develop in an equal way alongside of you. And
like in so many ways I feel like, and it
doesn't really matter what I feel like, because as a
result of existing and working and caring, you do develop.
But just outside of all that, like one thing that
I've had to learn and I think now you'll be

(38:03):
forced to learn is balance. Yes, Like, and I think
that I hope that excites you and doesn't start to
make you anxious and nervous, because well, at a certain point,
I just I'm telling you, like, you can always tell
me if it does, and you can always vocalize to
like on camera. I'll say this like your therapist and
stuff like that, Like you know what I mean, Like

(38:23):
be checking in about what it's going to feel like
to suddenly not have an abnormal schedule truly, you.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Know, I'm on it, Like, yeah, I think it's gonna
be okay. I will make room for like moments where
it feels really bizarre or maybe even bad. You should
be bored, I can't, Oh, don't even worry. Well, the
thing is, it's so funny because like literally we're not

(38:51):
like so you're we're going to Tokyo.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
We're going We're going to Japan, We're going to Milan.
We're going to Milan. We're full on continuing this podcast.
Like stell On, we got a new contract and everything, bitch,
we got a new set and can I just say,
we want a new picture. We're gonna get a new picture.
We tried this one.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
I like it, but let's let's let's you see our
faces hand you. This was so icon the one of
us naked and like this, and you were like, that
was so iconic that I feel like, do we go
back to it?

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I don't think we go back to it. I think
I think we have a picture that works. Okay. I
think maybe we do an animation on it. Oh, but anyway,
so this is just for us. But what I was
saying was like, you're gonna you're gonna go to do
you tell everyone where you're going? After Milan? I am
going to.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Santiago and then through Drake's Drake's Passage Antarctica with my parents,
because that is I think it's I'm gonna say it's
my mom's dreams.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Antarctica trip with my parents is so crazy.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
We're gonna see the penguins, We're gonna get our sea legs.
I think I'm gonna bomb on this boat, are you or?

Speaker 1 (40:02):
The water is the roughest waters. It's the roughest waters.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
But oh my god, I'm gonna see we have to
like order like special parkas for this. Like my mom
when when when she came, when when they came for Thanksgiving,
they stayed with me, and my mom was just like whatever,
helping me clean the apartment. But it's just like on
loop the entire time, or just on an auto mixed playlist,
just content about this boat and Antarctica, people and steerage,

(40:31):
just like vomiting, like this is she needs this to happen,
and I need it to have I think this is
what I'm saying. I'm like fire hosing myself with a
new experience. So how many continents will that mean?

Speaker 1 (40:42):
You visited five?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
The only one that I'll have not visited by the
end will be Africa. You've been to South America, I
will have Santiago. Oh right, so yes, of course, So
that'll that's Chile. That'll check too.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Anyway, I've randomly been to South America. I've randomly been
to bog right by the way. Oh my god, that's
the speaking of South America. So all this Venezuela stuff stuff
my you know, my aunt used to live in Venezuela, no,
shut up, aunt, Chrissy what yeah, So what does she
think about all this? She's like, So I asked her.
I was like, I was like, so, what are your

(41:18):
friends there thinking? And she was like, honestly, like, they're
they're free, they're relieved. But she also is like, we'll
see what happens in the next few weeks, like because
certainly chaos is going to break.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Out, Like well, this is this is all worked out
so great in the past when we've been a part
of regime choking exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I mean, but but the thing is like, and I've
seen some some friends of mine who are Venezuelan and
are like sort of saying like, you know, if you
don't understand this, like don't say anything. It's not as
simple as like like, well I do all of it now.
My one friend shared like, you know, if you're drowning
and someone throws you a life raft, you don't question
where it came from. It just you just take it.
And Venezuela has been drowning. So that was like a

(41:58):
take I hadn't considered, because you know, the vast response
to it is like this is illegal what he's done.
This is you know this is exactly like Iraq, you
know this, etc. And I think all those things are true,
but it's been an interesting perspective to literally ask my
I mean, so my aunt was married to a guy
from Venezuela back when they were a wealthy country. They

(42:19):
didn't realize Chrissy was down there. So she was my
former uncle Maurice. Like, they were married and they got
divorced because he was an asshole, but they were wealthy
and Venezuela was at one time like prosperous. So she's
still got friends back from that era and they are
not feeling like that anymore. Like it's gone off a

(42:42):
cliff like under like the regime of the past, like
thirty years. But it's been an interesting thing, like just
to look a little bit beyond the initial reactions to
what's going on. It is yet another complicated international moment.
But yeah, it's just been really interesting and I realized
I had like a like a literal resource to people there.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yea, yeah, you and Chanelle should trade spots on the today.
You should be behind the desk.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
I should go to the regor. I should become a
real journalist. Yeah, I mean not, no, I almost did
you know I went you know that. I was initially, yes,
you were tadcast journalism major. I thought I wanted to
be Ryan Seacrest, you not, even though he's not really
a journalist. Yes, sure he is. I don't know is
Ryan Secrets a journalist? So I initially I was like,

(43:30):
I want to go to school for broadcast journalism so
I can hopefully one day get like a radio show
and then maybe host something like American Idol. This is
but the whole time, underneath that I wanted to be
an actor and low key like a singer and so
like that was always buried underneath what I could package

(43:51):
me wanting to be in the entertainment industry with, which
was at first broadcast journalism because that didn't seem too gay,
of course, and then comedy because that really didn't seem gay.
That seemed like edgy and fun and something that like
I could tell straight men and straight people in my
life that I was doing and it was cool. It's
like a way to be on stage that's not gay, right,

(44:14):
But I eventually like realized I am gay.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
But isn't that The tension with this suity has this right,
like you just want to tell like any any guy
who like doesn't see it as theater or you're like,
it's theater.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, it's like you're doing something, gay dude, you're doing something.
You're up on stage being like, hey, I'm in a
full face of makeup, like and I'm miked.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
You know how gay it is to get a micd
someone has to run a cord down your shirt.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
It's so much, and then they have to like, look,
they have to like meticulously work on your collar. It's
like gay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Well even just like stool and a water bottle, Yeah,
that's still technically considered like set.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
A stool is one of the gayest chairs. It's real.
A culture number eleven.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
A stool one of the gayest chair, the gayest chair.
And Grande sat on one or neiled on one for
her second album and gay culture was never the same
and gay culture? What's your favorite Ariana album?

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Oh that's so hard know why is it Sweetener? And
why No? I mean it's actually possessions you love positions.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I'm a I'm a dangerous woman, stand forever, freak forever
love dangerous woman?

Speaker 1 (45:28):
And is she coming back on the show? Can we
you test text her? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
We'll she Well I was gonna say she obviously, if
she doesn't do the Culture Awards this year, it's because
there she's got a million other things going on.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Obviously wants to do it. Oh my god. By the way,
you know what just came out and we didn't even
realize the SAG nominations. Shall we read them live? Let's
read them? Okay, wait, this is exciting. Before before we
do this, did you watch the Critics Choice and everything?
I did not want the Kriks Choice. It's looking like
Ms Madigan has taken that Academy award, Babe Jacob. Surprise yet,

(46:08):
huge surprise, huge surprise. Okay, what is this? This says
Oh to be revealed on Wednesday. Sorry, guys, no problem.
So they'll be out today to this in the morning.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, I did not watch Criticks Choice,
but I watched it. You what are your thoughts? So

(46:29):
the winners were Challi May. I think it's his year,
challow May, Jesse Jesse Buckley. I haven't seen Hamnet because
I want to, like so this is the thing. You
want to watch it? You should watch it on the
plane of Tokyo. Maybe I will. Yeah, I just I
need to be in the clear. I'm a little bit
emotionally raw right now, Yes, and I need to be

(46:51):
in the clear with something like that. Totally. It's another
and you know what, I'm realizing, it's like it has
to be the right time for me with some of
these movies. I understand, Hamnet. I was gonna go see
it like a screening, and I was like, oh, I
just don't think it's like the right time. I'm gonna
be destroyed. So I didn't get to see it. And
also I can't find four hours to devote to Avatar.

(47:12):
I can't. I at the present time can't do it.
I understand because it's a three hours I had tickets
right we were gonna go with the band Yes on
the road, and I was like, m with our precious
time here before between rehearsing and traveling and doing shows
like busy dude, watch a three hour, seventeen minute movie

(47:34):
that's gonna have over half an hour of previews and
then you have to get through whatever. That's like an
almost four and a half hour commitment. Yeah, And I
don't know what it is. I always enjoy the Avatar movies.
You know, my baby is strong, My.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Baby is strong. I hear the whales have a great
dialogue in this one.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
And that's gonna help me get there. It is.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I also heard this Una Chaplin, Una Chaplin and the
character she plays pro Jong Provong seen the movie You
Have the Wrong? Does she give I hear? She gives
I hear? I hear wrong?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Is the star? All right? Well I'm gonna go. It's
just that there hasn't been ample time I've been. I've
weirdly like not stopped being busy. That's so weird of you. Yes,
of course we all know that. Like the tour, just
to speak on the tour, the tour was like the
best version of the tour ever, And I'm mentally I
didn't even.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Give you the space and the flowers. Congratulations. It's like
not my Christmas in December.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yes it is. It's both of our days. I have
had a several months. Yes, you have. The tour was
the saving grace that it always is for me. It
like has It was the best version of it ever.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
You sounded amazing, And this is my first year where
I wasn't able to see it live, which I'm very
sad about.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
It's all good because I literally spoke to our agent
last night so candidly, Like six weeks ago, I was like,
maybe this is it. I was like, maybe this is
the last year, because I was just a lot, you
know what, Like I was just like on up to this,
like I've been feeling I've been feeling more self conscious

(49:14):
and a little bit more vulnerable to people's opinion. And
I think that like one of the things that happened
when I was doing the tour is I was just
like just there with me and the band, which is
like we're such like a literal like unit on the road.

(49:35):
We have so much fun. This was the most fun
year yet and everyone that had come to Pace and
see that show, and like I felt such like a
duty to make it the best one yet. And I
think that was what was giving me such anxiety, was
I felt like this weird combination of like self consciousness
about whether I was gonna be able to deliver a

(49:55):
product to that I that is good enough like for
me to show everyone and get people out buying tickets
and still come into the show. But also that was
like in the face of me being really like like
I hate to say it, but like caring what people
thought and were saying, and like just super aware that,
Like I think that what you experienced like four years

(50:18):
ago or maybe four or five years ago with becoming
like a lot more recognizable, I experienced in the past
like year. Yeah. Like And I also I always try
to like shy away from saying something like that, because
again I compare myself to someone like you, who's like
much much more recognizable and much much has much much

(50:39):
more notoriety because of the platform that you're on. But
I also like it wasn't serving me to deny that
my reality was changing, because it did. And like a
lot of the things that people will say online when
they're really mean, is like he is no talent, Like
he's just writing on Bowen's coattails. The most untru and

(50:59):
being is like with the show and like when I
the yeah, with my my Christmas show, and with like
you know, being involved in things with people, even just
doing things like today's show, like being on Palm Royal
like I was in that movie Good Fortune, Like you

(51:21):
know what I mean, Like I've had a busy year
and doing the Cultural Awards like was so edifying. Came
I just ended the year being like all that is
such bullshit, Like this is what I'm supposed to be
doing and I will always do. I never in the beginning,
when I was developing myself and my talent and my
career ever had any doubts about that. And then suddenly like,

(51:44):
I don't know if it's because the cultural awards, like
truly took me for a ride and I had to
re examine a lot about my anxiety and stuff like that,
and whether or not I enjoyed a lot of the
elements that come along with putting yourself out there and
being in the entertainment industry. I can full confidently say
at the end of this year that as long as

(52:04):
I keep the focus on what matters, which is the
work and how I'm making people feel and how I
feel doing something, I have no doubt in my mind
that I love this and that I will always do it.
But I was having a hard time.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I understand, And I also just want to say, you
were meant for this. You are the funniest, most talented person.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I know.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
That's subjective, and you are by a riot contract work
ethic with contract, and so he hasked to have to
say this.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
He has to say that I actually made sure that
was in the contract. I was happy to sign now
say my mile time. Mile time is four thirty six.
Very good, but anyway, occurring joke on two guys, Fira.
I literally what I mean to say is I literally
had the conversation with our touring agent Joe last night
that we're going to do it again. Yeah, so like
so I'm gonna do it again, and I'm always going

(52:54):
to do it probably in some as long as as
long as Henry Kapreski doesn't bail on me. And he
already texted me like the day or two after the
tour ended, and he was like, I already have so
many ideas for next year. And that was so different
than what the energy was like three or four years ago.
He fully told me like I don't want to do
it again. I feel like we need to leave a

(53:14):
good thing. And then I was like, just give me
one more year. I was like, you know, I'll I
will train my voice with a with a coach so
that you don't have to do it or get me
ready as much like I'll come to rehearsals really prepared.
I will, i will work on you know, it was
hard when it was just he and I. Of course,

(53:35):
you know what I mean, Like it was he was
he was my ex boyfriend. It was just he and
I traveling around the country, and I was like not
the trained singer I am now you know what I mean. Like,
and so sometimes tech was hard or whatever, but I
worked on it really hard, and I've I've worked on
myself really hard, and I'm finally doing things like without

(53:58):
saying too much, like that really put me first and
have a belief in my self worth. And I'm so
serious this year. I'm not I'm not engaging with the online.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I'll say something does not serve me something and it
doesn't serve you, no, of course. But the the thing
about you, it being just you and Henry, like this
is something that even I forget. But that is like
the gumption and the resourcefulness and like the like self
leaning thing that you've had to like depend on for

(54:34):
all these years, Like Matt, you've like think of like
how that's developed over like the past five years.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Like that is so well it right actually really makes
me feel like anything is like possible with people in
your life, because like he and I are truly like
soul connected in terms of like what we create, what
we do. And sometimes when I'm doing the show, especially
towards the end of the tour, Like I'll look back
at him and I'll be like, I can't believe that's
still that person. I know, you know what I mean,

(55:03):
Like I cannot believe that that person is still around,
especially after like you know how stupid you are when
you're like twenty six, twenty seven years old, and how
you treat people that are close to you, and how
how like you really have to like stick with people,
especially like through your late twenties early thirties and then

(55:24):
not everyone is supposed to stick around, no, But I'm
like so happy that he has and it connects me
to Ethan his partner now, who's like makes my tour better.
He's the tour manager, et cetera. I've had like no
emotional release since then. So it's like because I stayed
really busy and just like a lot's been going on.

(55:46):
But yeah, like I just I'm super grateful. I'm super
grateful that everything shook out that with obviously with that project,
but with him. I mean that's really the most important thing.
Like at the end of the show, like the band
takes a bow, and then I make sure that just
Henry and I take a bow because like he truly

(56:07):
like you know he you guys, people that know the
Lord know the Lord.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
The lore is truly profound. It's like you guys really
boosted each other up from like what didn't seem like
any sort of like I don't know, like low point.
But it's like we got we were all like we
didn't really know like how and that's a beautiful thing.

(56:35):
We didn't really know how much we were like struggling.
And it wasn't even I don't want to frame it
as a struggle either. We were just like really working
really hard. Like we did not Yeah, we did not
come from this with like I don't know, like with
too many like yeah, blessings besides like the obvious ones. Yeah,
and like this is this is not to make this
about me, but this is like our diconomy, you and

(56:58):
I as always and I feel completely great about this.
Like I feel like I see like my track on
like in the last seven years is like me being
a part of something that like affords me a lot
of things, and you being almost exclusively a self starter.

(57:20):
Like you get to look at this tour as like
your creation. You're and Henry's beautiful thing that you've built together,
and I get to be like, oh, I've I had
a great time on this thing that like on this
very well oiled machine. Well we started this girl, that's true,
and I think we take this for granted a lot.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
For sure, I think we take this for granted a lot.
And I feel like, you know, this is like the
this is the first episode of the ten fear of
the podcast, and that's like crazy, czy great, And I
think the reason we don't think of it sometimes as
like even though we do a lot of work for it,
sometimes I don't realize how much work I'm doing for it,

(58:00):
Like you know what I mean. Like sometimes I'm like whoa,
Like I just spent hours like working on the podcast,
and I think because it's rude in something that is
so easy, which is like talking to you and like
our friendship. But I am sensitive about this, Like I'm
really sensitive about this podcast. And well, I guess what

(58:21):
I want people to know is like, like we are
working so hard and we're still even before we started rolling,
we sat here for like ten minutes being like what
like really thinking about the color of the chairs for
the set, you know what I mean, like really caring
about and think who we put on this podcast and
what we share and how we get out of.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Them and how we deliver it to you. I mean,
will I will be transparent and say that Matt and
I have turned down.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Many people, not people.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I'm saying a lot of money yes for deals, where
like it would compromise the way that this gets delivered.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I'm just gonna We're just gonna are we are we?

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I feel like I feel good about saying that, well,
because it is true and this is I guess again.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
What I want to say is that like we've earned
the right to do this the way we want to
do it, absolut fucking lotly. That being said, that being said,
let's talk about some culture and.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Last, last last thing, last thing I'll say about like
the like about like what's being said and like being
sensitive to that.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I the reason why I was also very.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Emotional the last show and just seeing like that sort
of thing being like directed in my way, that kind
of that outpouring, as I said earlier, of love, Yeah,
is because it completely undid this other narrative that was
running parallel in my mind, Yeah, the very vocal, loud
one whereas I think the loved one is like was
there all along. I just wasn't too attuned to it,

(59:44):
but the vocal loud other track that was going on
was like, yeah, listen, like everyone who works at that
show engages on different levels with like the comments.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Right, it gets to us because it's week in and
week out and you really don't ever get a break
to me like, oh, let me not engage. No, And
they're so consistent, and even the alums are like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Don't know how you guys do it now, Like there
would be like one review or a New York magazine
on Sunday and then that would be and everyone going
on gone about their lives.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Do you remember years ago Tina Fey like won an
Emmy and she used I remember at the time watching it,
and her speech was mostly used to respond to online commenters.
Here's the whole chapter in Bossy Fans about it. Yes,
and I realize now that that was not purely ironic.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
No, No, that's okay, it's okay because this doesn't make
any fucking sense the way that anyone that we have
that we are openly available to read anyone else's thoughts
about what we do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
And yeah, and so this is this is what I'll say.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
About like the commenters for me, which is like I
feel like I was really bogged down the entire time
I was there. About like the idea that like there
was no range in anything I did. That's just such
a lazy s well, it's just there's it's not lazy.
It's just it makes sense in terms of like they're
being like they're being like an indigestion as it were

(01:01:23):
with like receiving me, where I'm like I knew I
was never gonna play the dad. I was never gonna
play you know, the generic thing in sketches where it's
a sketch show, each thing is like four minutes long.
It is short and collapsed by sort of necessity, and
so therefore it plays on archetypes. These archetypes are also

(01:01:45):
in a relationship with like generic things, and there is
a genericism in whiteness and in like being like a
canvas to like build upon, and like I had, like
I came in sort of like pre stretched, pre died whatever,
you know, like people had their over determinations on like
what I was, which was like, oh, that's just the

(01:02:05):
gay Asian guy in SNL. And so anytime I would
try to like work. Outside of that, it got completely
ignored or it still got collapsed to oh, he's an Asian,
he's he's being gauged.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
In so many things that were First of all, it
is a I don't think people necessarily know they're being
homophobic when they say that, Oh, but it is because
I'm sorry, but if you don't have range.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I think range is a myth and it's all about
like palatability, whether there's a serp, whether you're getting taxed
on it or you are subsidized.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
You know what I mean. They knock Pete Davidson for
range or does he get to get away with it
because it's cool and like within a male gate? Sorry?
Is that is that wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I could teach like a media studies like seminar about this.
I think I bet you should you both eat both
of us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I'll be the ta because because you know what, they
do nothing, they have no range. And so this is
the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
I just bring this up because that is one little
thing that I wanted to like that I'm I'm getting
so much clarity on. It's the reason why I've been
so emotional about the post, Like the PostScript of this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
You talking about all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
The work you put into the tour, into your projects,
into this show that is all running counter that is
that is the panacea to all of that noise.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
It's not real and this is not real, and it's
so easily debunked. Well, that's what drives me crazy, is
I know I could lock on it and kill these
people in a second, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
And George George Saveris was saying this on Straighter Lab.
It's like there's like a phenomenon going on now where
like there's like a it's kind of like pluribus. It's
like there's like the remaining people. There's like a survivorship
thing happening where it's like the remaining people in the
comments are either like clearly bought or clearly mentally ill.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Or clearly children. As Lu says, they're all twelve. There's
one person online who constantly comes for me, huh. And
I realized recently that they're thirteen, right I. I It
became very clear to me a kid, and I was
just like, oh god, how much brain space have I
been angry at this? Thirteen? You know? And you know

(01:04:15):
they're failing pre algebra. It's sad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
It's like, oh my, the fact that you're obsessed with
me means that you are not doing well. You're not
you're not selling girls Cot cookies this year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
I mean, and that my thing is just like and
I and I don't. I'm not We're not dunking on
that person. No, No, that's just it. You're just thirteen on
the internet. So and you have every right to do that.
I am an idiot for investing in it, and like
it's an opinion. But I was using the fucking reddit
as a report card. No, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
First of all, report card, kid, I'm invisible to that reddit. Meanwhile,
they're all, I don't get it, but like we need
Matt's ticks on heated brivalry.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Oh I'm I'm going to recently look at it. I did.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
I'm like, I'm on this show so too. By the way,
whenever they just mentioned me, it's because they they they
love they attached.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
I think that I am. I feel more accessible to
them because I'm not actually a list famous And I
also think I think they think they know what you
think about heated rivalry.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I let's get into it. Sure, here's the thing about
heated rivalry. A show can be so amazing and incredible,
even if there is virtually zero.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Conflict in it. I fucking love it. I'm obsessed with
the show. I'm obsessed with the show. Did you ever
come to the show? I never touched my dick one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
I think I paused, walked around like had a snack.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Then I jerked off, and I wasn't like all of me.
You know what? Before I watched it, I jerked off
to it because I was like, I'm not going to
watch that. Might as well just use it what it's
for porn because I had been told so many times
this is porn, right, And then I was like, wow,
this is a cultural phenomenon I must pay attention to.

(01:06:05):
You cannot because suddenly it was all over my algorithm
someone that hadn't even watched it. I was like, Okay,
the world is deciding it's this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
It was as big as white lotus, I would say, so,
so finally I watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Here's my two takes. That's not porn that I did
not think that. I thought it was explicit. I did
not think it was grotesque. It did not feel too much.
I wasn't maybe I just watched too much porn. I
wasn't like clutching my pearls watching it. I was like, Oh,
this looks like hot sex to me, hot movie sex

(01:06:41):
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
I was like, oh, look at the framing on that.
There's a lot of negative space above their asses. Now
you don't see that though, Can I say.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Something this It is all love to Jordan firstman, and
I think he's probably sorry he said this about like
gay guys don't have sex like that, Like I don't
need to see someone pull out their dick and a
little bit of pusure on it, Like I'm sorry, that's
what gay sex is, Like I need that. In heated rivalry,
the romance, the romance show, this is this, This is
the other thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
This is this also like dovetails on my on my
first comment about hered Rivalry, which is like no conflict,
it's because it is a fantasy, and it's this is
the This is like the romance genre. It's like every word,
every detail is engineered to make you obsessed with it. Yep,
and it worked, and it worked and and welcome to
the Fujoshi community. Like I've known about this world since

(01:07:29):
I was twelve. On fictionpress dot com, where the people
who are writing the best Yawi gay shit were women listen?
I think Gorilla, if you're still out there, she was
the queen of Yaoi fiction, and I was like, oh,
it's oh the straight cis. Women love the gay stuff
and are the best at writing it for so you
won't to know what which read. First of all, she

(01:07:52):
has imagination and writing about it. And then like a
gay a gay man did create the show, like and
so he is in charge of like the way it
disseminates from the page the novel to the screen, and
he did an amazing job.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
And I do think he's being erased a little bit
in this commentary about like oh oh no, no, it's
straight guys playing those roles. My second point is you
do not know that they're not gay totally, and I
don't care. But also I don't care. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Well, at this point, it's like the target keeps moving
for this discourse because like, oh say so den walk
so des mois fucking like docs shit about. I'm like,
first of all, they fucking Duma and page six are
just spewing lines that like my PR team has been like,
that's not true. I did not get a lot of

(01:08:40):
money thrown at me. No, he did not, which is
all good. I still did it, still loved it. Yeah.
I don't have some like development deal coming trying to
make this whole thing out of how there was so
much drama about me leaving the show, about how Lauren
was pissed. It's all good. I clearly otherwise that none
of that would have happened, that would not have made
it to television. Whatever fucking idiots including just whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
It's because years ago they did like a celebrity Who's
nice Who's Naughty list, and they said I was naughty.
I'm nice to literally everything. I literally I I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Guys, it's it's Timz, it's Perez, It's like it's it's
all the fucking morall anyway anyway, Okay, but uh uh,
the target keeps me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
But don't you do you say that because it's like
it's like the the the fervor about the show is
like I obviously think it means that, like it means
a really good thing in that we can actually have
because we're always saying the reason why they won't do
stuff with like gay stories is because we feel there's

(01:09:50):
an ick factor around gay sex, right, Like it feels
like outside of the straight male gaze in a way
that's like too uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
There's abject theory, right and now, oh, it's like here
we are.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
It's like huge, like literally huge. So I think that's
that's good. But like, I think the fact that we
don't exactly necessarily have a finger on their sexuality allows
that to be true, because I think if that's too explicit,
gay guys like you had scenes that were just as
hot as that in a show that was quote unquote

(01:10:23):
better than that with fellow travelers and no one said
a word we didn't totally like and those were two
out gay guys of course. Yeah, I mean there's certainly
something there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
I mean, there's a dialectic in this for sure, where
it's like people are like, it should only it should
only be in the bedroom. Well that's like a fucking
Republican talking point, you know what I mean. It's like, Okay,
let's like we got to figure out like there it
lives in the middle of like they should share everything
about their sexuality and their sexual lives in real life,
and they should share nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
It's like whatever, It's like they performed it so well.
It was like, first of all Connors story mark my words,
he will win an oscar one day. He is really talented.
And I love Hudson's performance, like he is the one
that makes me really horny. It's it, honestly is. He's
got very unique, very red that reminds me of Chad

(01:11:18):
and Michael Murray years ago. Where did he have pepperoni?
They were like appetizer plates y me. They were huge
red and more. They literally were I remember there was it,
there was he was always like he was so hot
Chad Black Murray, He actually was. He was one of
those guys when I was like coming of age and
like getting into my sexuality. That would make me angry.

(01:11:42):
Another one, justin Timberlake red nipples? They were red red
or pink? Can we look it up? Matt Mada Potter, Like,
can can someone just google justin Chimberlake nipples? They just
sold their New York City apartment for forty million. That
seems like too much, feels like trouble. Oh okay, what

(01:12:03):
are we DOMI yeah, I guess so. Well, they're on
the way out. Should we just be dooman now? Doom
was over? Was over? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
We we would love to be domoi because we're not
some like anonymous gossip girl you wanta but like she
I can't stand.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
But anyway, Yeah, no, there's something about Hudson that just
like it was like immediately total so sweet. We wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
So we wrote two versions of Boonus straight for the
last two shows, one with Josh O'Connor where we do
a challenges with I.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Can't believe that we read the script. It was a
dumb decision.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
We got to have him say it was like, you know,
we we got him to say and he was laughing
through this scene.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Those are pink, Those are not red. Oh, this from
no strings attached. I know every screen grab. Oh, the
Janet Jackson thing keeps popping up if you if you
google Hudson's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Are more read, I think CMMs Chad Michael Murray's are
I can picture him having read nimble read.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Oh, I can't believe we're talking about his it's Friends
with Benefits famously. The other one that year. By the way,
you've googled this and it's from Instagram and it's just
a fan pages screenshot of this and the caption is
this justin Timberlake Shirtless is one of the best parts
of the movie. Friends with benefits so sexy heart, thank

(01:13:23):
you mana, thank you so much. What was I gonna say?
The heat rivalry of it all? Just like what I
was gonna say was, I don't care that if they're
gay or not, they performed it with honesty and they
were really committed and they have unbelievable chemistry. I don't
care that they don't come out and say what their

(01:13:44):
sexuality is, because what's important is the representation that is
on the screen. Like I think it's becoming a little
bit narcissistic for actors to be like, no, it needs
to be me that does it. It needs to be me
that doesn't needs to be honest. It's just like it
gets to a point sometimes with sexuality where I'm like, guys,

(01:14:04):
we're putting the cart for the course a little bit here,
Like we have to make them first. If they don't
exist period, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
My thing is and I might this will probably you know,
get some sort of please write in please talk me
down from this, y'all listeners reads Katie's pulp is spinal Skyles.
I feel like performing sexuality or queerness is like because

(01:14:34):
queerness is like an internal experience, Like it's different than like, oh, well,
this person ethnically should be played by this ethnic listen
that I totally right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
It makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
I think there's more room to like, I don't know,
be like not necessarily exactly that. It's like, well, you
know Elia's by, but like I don't know if Connor
is by. You know, it's like would it be better
if Connor was gay or if Connor was by?

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Like this is where we start splitting hairs and so
then so then to my my thing is always it's
an interior experience.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Therefore it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
But also you know this other thing of like we're
not supporting gay creators. Well, I don't know, like we're
perfect examples. It's like anytime we get a press release
announcement for something we're working on, people fucking melt.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Would be the ones on gay Twitter who just can't
stand that we it's Anything's fine, It's like it is
what it is, but like, don't pretend that you're rooting
for gay guys all the time, Like, don't pretend you're
rooting for gay guys when like bone Yang takes the
fucking shit and it's take it that night, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
So that's that's that's my that's my like stitch together.
Take my other thing about heated rivalry, which I I
go back and forth on whether I love or if
I'm like huh as like this story takes place over
like seven years. All the needle drops our songs from
two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Oh, it's like, give your eyes hot. It suddnshy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
It's like, why that's playing him and a scene that's
happening in like twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
No problem. There's a little bit of a vibe of
hunting Wives where you can tell it's so it's it's
a little by the way. I think both produced by
three Yarts love it. It's just a little cheaply done.
No what Oh, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Even even Franz Boi or I was like this all
this Miley Cyrus stuff. It's like, we don't have a
Miley budget for like her to write a song for us, right,
It's like, oh, they will now, they will now. But
I guess what I'm saying is there's something charming about it. Yes,
there's something charming about like how we had no budget
for the cultures.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Yeah, I mean there's something charming about like you know,
watching this get thrown together. But the thing that really
and that's why, the thing that really makes it work
is their chemistry and their performances. And I'm loving them
on the press store. They're they're nailing it. It looks
fun to me. I'm like, see it should that's I
guess what sells something is when someone is out there

(01:16:57):
having fun, you know what. Like people have a lot
to say about Timothy Shallome. I think he needs to
put his foot on the gas on this alay is no.
I mean, I'm just if he's on top of the sphere.
Oh you're crazy. You know his nerve he took a
beta blocker. Oh yeah, that's that's our life saving tools. Absolutely,

(01:17:19):
this is this is one of the greatest inventions in
modern than preparing ranel all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
That's tough. They they could have named that better. That's
because that's getting me. That's getting my heart rate up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Did you ever watch I guess I don't know what
else to say about he did a rivalry. It rocks,
It rock. I loved I. I was late to it
because I was like, there's no way, and then I
felt the way everyone else felt. I talked to someone
and you know what they said. What they said he did.
Rivalry gave me everything I was expecting from Life of
a show Girl, And I was like, why that means.

(01:17:53):
I was like, I don't know. This necessarily tracks. But
then he was like, let me explain. And by the way,
I like Life of a show Girl. And if you
think I'm lying, come up to me on the streets.
Come up to me on the streets and tell me
that you think I'm lying, and I'll show you my
recently played Wow, I covered Elizabeth Taylor on the road,
and you said that I'm in my Life of a
show Girl era.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
You are in your Life of a show Girl era.
I can't say that's interesting. I'm being a football player.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
No, I can't say what era I'm in. But anyway, uh,
this person telling you that, Oh, they were like, it's
a pop album. They're like, it has all those little
bursts and it's like fun and it feels like like
like like it's gonna like it just feels like non caloric,
not in the way you're okay, but then by the

(01:18:40):
end you're like, wow, surprised, I feel full, you know
what I mean. Surprise?

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Oh, I felt very full because I was like yeah,
because like for the first the first three episodes is like, okay,
this is I'm along for the ride, but I'm not
sure what to track.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
And then episode five I was like that this is cinema.
Oh no episode. At the end of episode five, I
was like, well, I'm coming to the I was like
and I was like wait. And then you know, it's
one of the highest rated episodes on IMDb, like ever fixed.
It's up there with like white caps from the Sopranos.
Love that you have made a fool of me fe

(01:19:15):
with these Hawes. I'm Carmela. You're Carmel. You are Carmela.
Oh my god, you're doctor Melfie. Are you laughing? Because
you know it's true. She's She's an icon, a full
blown it's the glasses. It's the glasses. It's the bronco
of it, all right, right right, I'm wait.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
The cottage. This is this is the thing. My fantasy
is a lake house in Ontario. I know you've been
saying that. I can't believe. I can't believe you can
still do it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
I can still do it. He feels like you can't
do it anymore. He's like, oh, now that the cottage
is in culture. I can't have the cotton.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Now that, now that an Asian guy has a cottage
in Ontario, I can't do it. No, I understand what
they're saying now about it being life of a show,
because it is. It is giving you a sense of safety. Yeah,
because this is the thing about like the no conflict thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I'm not being snarky, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
I'm just saying, like, I love the fact that it's like,
here's a problem, my dad's homophobic. Two things later, he's dead.
Here's a problem. Spoiler alert. Sorry, here's a problem. My
parents aren't aren't gonna be okay with the fact that
I'm gay. Two things later, we love that you're gay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
You're perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
We love that you love that you're gay. Yeah, why
didn't you text me back? No problem later?

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
In honesty was like as bad as their communication was. Oh,
this is why I wanted to say. It surprised me
so much and why I loved it because you know what,
it reminded me of one of my favorite movies, Love
in Basketball. Oh, yes, you've said this. It reminded me
so much of Love in Basketball, which is a classic
and it's actually criterion and if you didn't know. Now

(01:20:55):
you know Gina Prince byThe would an underrated director by
the way, who's gone on to do so many more
things since then. She actually did The Woman King and
But but what I loved about it was like the
time laps really helped the romance. The fact that it
was like sports but not really like they were passionate

(01:21:16):
about something else, and also each other. The fact that
it was like will they won't they? Over the years
like believably felt like you were growing alongside them. But
it moved quickly, you know what I mean? Like I
just like and it was very sexy, like Ellen b.
I think it would have felt weird if it was
like chaste sexuality or miss gay show. Because gay guys

(01:21:38):
just be we just fucked and they're athletes. Yeah, exactly,
they're They're healthy. No, that ass was made to thrust like,
it wasn't made to like when you're not gonna see
just like it's this is not the age of innocence.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
No, like, gay guys fuck, gay athletes fuck period.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Hopefully they fuck us in Milan. Have you thought about that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Other thing? Did you ever watch the End of an
Era documentary? I because I did it twice. Oh my god,
six episodes, did each one twice? Unapologetic? Unapologetic?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
No, But I love that we have committed to film
the tortured Poets portion of the air story.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Here's what I love about the documentary because I do
think it wants you to know a few things. It
wants to remind you she's brilliant, Yes, and I think
it does do that. Like there's scenes of her playing guitar,
like rehearsing her like and on the piano, like rehearsing
her surprise songs and everything, and like you you do
see how it really every element of that like was

(01:22:44):
her vision. She truly is in control of it. Like,
so I think, like, after all of the discourse about her,
the documentary wants you to know she is a talent
and can we put that to rest. Yeah, there's the
weird thing where when Life of a show Girl came
out and some people took umbrage with a lot of
the lyrics that she's like not a good writer. I
think it's truly silly. Even I actually do think that

(01:23:08):
people have Taylor Swift arrangement syndrome.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Well, they have a derangement syndrome, and they have like
an amnesia back.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
In the day, like everyone had everything to say, because
then the whole media thing. There's a reason why reputation
exists right now, and it's because there was a widespread
notion that she was like, yeah, terrible, like and there
was like, you know whatever, like quote unquote the receipts
to prove that, and then she genuinely like fought back

(01:23:36):
from like whatever hell she was in to do this.
But she's able to do that because she is that talented.
So there's that. The documentary also wants you to know
that it's not about money, uh huh, Like there's a
part where Andrea Swift is like, you know, it's always
just been about her sharing her music and doing that

(01:23:57):
and et cetera. And I think that might be the
part that's tough for people to buy, especially because of like,
you know, just like people's assessment of her and the
story about how much money she's worth and how much
money the tour makes and the variance of it all,
et cetera. But you can leave the documentary thinking, like,
you know what, this is an extremely generative person and

(01:24:20):
because she's generating a lot, she sells a lot, and
she's also like meaningfully.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Diverting a lot of those funds to like the people
who make that tour happen.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Right, And so I think that that's obviously a focus
of it as well. And I think finally they want
you to know that her values are liberal. There's a
lot in the documentary about her dancers. She really puts
a lot of the spotlight on her dancers and the
highlight on her dancers and how gender is not a
thing on stage. Like one of the dancers, one of
the male dancers, his dream is to dance ready for It,

(01:24:55):
but ready for It is like an all girl number,
and the arc of the episode is him get to
do it because she allows him to do it, and
he fucking crushes and you know, you you then look
at the stage and you think of the show and
you're like, oh wow, I never thought that that person
would never care about or shouldn't be way of acting
like this, et cetera. Like it really is like a
pretty lovely display of diversity in that respect, in all respects.

(01:25:20):
So I think in terms of all that stuff, like
it's super successful and you get the I think very
cool stuff which is watching them record their albums, which
I love I can't see enough of Ariana do Yes, Yes, Yes,
or anybody. Taylor's great to watch and I have such
an appreciation of her. Watching Ariana is like something different because,

(01:25:40):
like I just I think she's truly a genius in
the studio. The way she comps her own vocals and stuff.
I would kill, I would pay to be a fly
on the wall. Just watch her in the studio for it.
Like should let you?

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
I to answer your question, I think Internal Sunshine is
her best produced album because it was it was like
it was, it was it was Max and her and Leah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
When are we going to the tour? I guess we're
going New York Barclays Is it Barclay's. She's doing Barklays
an MSG? I think, Okay, that's chic. Yeah, I wonder
how that's like. But I've seen that happen before. People
do Barclay's nmstr YEA yeah, yeah, we'll do that. Should

(01:26:25):
we talk about let's see what nick I'm gonna cop
to something. Okay, I'm gonna cop to something. So when
that happened with Turning Points, you thought it was A.
I No, I knew it was her by the way,
anyone being like Nikki, we lost her. She's been gone,
she's been gone, and this the writing was on the

(01:26:45):
wall for this because the fact is Nicki Minaj was
kicked out of mainstream culture because she's married to a
sex offender, unrepentant. She allegedly, allegedly was intimidating his victims
from from like saying anything, doing anything whatever, that's legend.
And she was picking fights with everyone in music and
it was out of pocket, and she was obviously a

(01:27:05):
bully and unwell. So that's why she went to Turning
Point because she needed an audience at all. She probably wants, like,
you know, something out of the president too at some point.
But like she clearly didn't believe one word or what
she was saying. That was the most inauthentic thing I've
ever fucking seen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Maybe she does now because it's like it's being a validating.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I don't I don't thin. I think she's like gone,
gone sure, the whole thing of like it's okay to
be a boy. I was like, you're saying this to
be mean spirited because you feel like but hurt and
disappointed that the people who made your career now take
umbrage with the bullshit that you're doing and so you're
railing against them. You don't actually believe that, But anyway,

(01:27:45):
fuck her. But I will say because I knew she
was gone forever the day after I took my moment
to listen to her music for the last time. And
what did you think? It's sad.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
It's sad, but you know it's there. Well, there are,
there are others, there will be others. I said goodbye,
you said goodbye.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
I said goodbye, and then I streamed in my the
drama and I watched Cardi be amazing on drag Race.
So good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Yeah, I have nothing else to add.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I was just like, I was just it was, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
It was all over my FYP and well, of course, right,
I was like, uh huh, it was ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Everything about everything going on with the GOP right now
is ridiculous. Obviously it's been that way. But I'm loving
watching them fall apart, and I do think that's what's happening.
What else, Housewives? I what do you think of the
Meredith of it all? And salt like, I don't counter out,
I definitely don't counter out, but what something is fishy

(01:28:49):
about it? To me? What part like the fact that
she's being pushed. So sure this is the case. I see,
I don't get what the case is. Well, I think
what they're trying to say is that she's got an
alcohol or drug problem, like Mary being like I see it,
Like you know what I mean? Like right, I don't know.
I guess, like, do you feel as viewers we are

(01:29:11):
seeing what they are claiming they're seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Well, I think we are not seeing the flight the
flight footage, which I guess is like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
I texted Andy about it. I was like, does it exist?
He said no, we would have shown it. That's so wild.
By the way, just to make this explicitly clear, oh god,
I have never had sex with Andy Cohen. I will
never have sex with Andy Cohen at one point I
kind of wanted to in the very very very beginning,
but if we were gonna have fucked, it would have

(01:29:43):
happened by now, probably many times. If you ever see
me talking to Andy in a way that would suggest
we've had sex, it's because we are flirting, because it's funny.
He is a friend, he is now our boss. That's
what the extent of it. And if you're gonna make
fucking com about this, like get this person's fucking name right. Yeah,

(01:30:04):
that one girls called me Matt Fraser, which obviously, like
I think it was a mistake. But I sometimes think
that straight women just need to stop and remember they
are straight women before they talk about the way that
gay guys are being sure, you know, just like before
you talk about the way gay guys are being understand,
like there might be something else there, like and of

(01:30:25):
course it is like loose between gay men. We just
don't think about this stuff as much as you guys are.
But Andy and I are having fun. We do owe
him a book. That's why he said that to us.
That's why I said we were gonna have time to
work on it soon, thinley veil delusion to the fact
that we now have a lot more time to work
on it. Like there is no drama or tension between
Andy Cohen and I nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
I don't know about the Meredith at all anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
We love her, we love the Marxies love and I
just but I'm just like, I just wish I was
seeing right what they're seeing totally. I am.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
I did start watching The Cult of the Real House,
so if the Miriam Cosby doc I don't know what
was what was going on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
I'm like, this is is it not? No?

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
I just like whatever case you're trying to make here,
It's like, okay, but.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
All those documentaries are sarch know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
But it's also like they use a lot of like
our content also like a lot of our a lot
of friends who like make House. They take clips of
like us, like getting Charlie XX to talk about Miriam
Cosby and how much she loves her like exactly. It's like, oh,
well you didn't clear that with That's not that they
like had to legally, but I'm like, oh, like it
just I don't know. It just kind of seems this

(01:31:40):
is not to like minimize any of the allegations. It's
just like, yeah, persuasive stuff used to mean something.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Right, Oh well not anymore. Nothing means anything anything. I
opened my algorithm now and it's like it's all AI
and I don't want it. And I'm like, how would
anyone coming into the world be able to believe anything?
At this point? And I think the AI conversation is
also so boring.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Right, yeah, at this point what feels like like irallly
is like it's inevitable, It's like right, but also like
I don't think the appetite for this is linearly going
to grow, Like no.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
No, no, it's people, I think. I think the vast
majority of people have no appetite for it. But this
idea like it's coming in you have to deal with
it is making people like sort of resign. Yeah, And
I just don't want people to you like, I guess,
like you can resign to learning, I guess how to
use AI well or correctly. But what I don't like

(01:32:40):
are people resigning themselves to giving up their creativity or
their autonomy in terms of like finding information or creating
stuff like that to me is bad And I think
it's confusing when you're like, it's here, get used to it?
What is that? What does get used to it? Mean?
It's just like an It's like an en geesus I
now have about it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
But those are the same people who are like having
casual conversations with chat cheepy t being like what's your
how are you? It's like what did you do?

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
What are you doing? You can just killed some penguins.
There's gonna be way less penguins from Bowens, and I
want to see them. He wants to see them bad.
This is the trip of a lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Yes, you know, you know what I think you might
be ready for movie wise, I go back to that conversation. Yes,
we someone washing it on a plane in front of
me that you know is my fucking nightmare. No, well
then yeah, I think you might be ready for sentimental value.
It's not like completely of course I am you have
you seen it yet? It's not like completely what it's
not like completely devastating the way that Hamnet allegedly is,

(01:33:39):
Oh yeah, I heard Catherine's great in it. Catherine is
so funny and Catherine you can tell that Jokim loves her.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
I just saw Catherine. We just saw Catherine Edgel Kim's
wedding and I was like, what are great?

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
She's so funny in the Running Man. She's been bookingh
She's I'm worth worth thrilled, fucking love that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
I'm trying to think, like, what else, like there has been?
Does any music come out? December? January is always a
tough time. Yeah, well, we didn't really ever get a
chance to talk about Lily Allen. We like it as
much as everyone. And then there was also what else, Well,
next week Robin will be here and that's going to

(01:34:21):
be very exciting and and that's that. That's that. So
I guess it's time for I don't think so, honey. Yes,
this is the pot where we do. I don't think so, honey.
It's our sixty second segment where we rant rail rave
and turn the party ultimately. And by turn the party

(01:34:44):
we mean hopefully change hearts and minds about this thing
and culture that we just think needs. I think I will. Yeah,
I do too.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Okay, great, anyway, I'm sure you will. This is Matt Rogers.
I don't think so many as time starts now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
I don't think so, honey. Gavin Newsom, if you're gonna
run for president, you need vocal surgery. Oh, you need
to remove the polyps on your vocal cords. Listening to
you is a nightmare, and I have a feeling you're
gonna be talking a lot. I don't necessarily want that.
I don't think we will win with him. But just

(01:35:17):
go to La ask people how they feel being there.
But anyway, I do think that while there's a lot
of crises in the world, the number one one actionable
thing that Gavin Newsom can do right now is tech.
Savannah Garthrie and get whoever just did her vocal surgery.
She just had the poll up surgery. You're gonna need
to be silent for about six weeks afterwards. But don't worry.

(01:35:40):
You can still tweet. You can still dunk on Trump,
which is apparently something that people still think is gonna
like win, and not speaking directly actionably to people and
their concerns, like say Bernie Sanders does, who is the
only durable remaining politician over the last decade that's been
like consistent and still around the meaningful way take notes maybe,

(01:36:02):
but in the meantime, I need to stop hearing your
voice as it is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
That's one minute, get vocal surgery, and finish the damn
four h five.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
No, he won't do that. Why nothing will happen in
California because he's too busy. He's busy doing other shit.
And then I get calls from council people who are
running in LA and I tell them exactly what I
fucking feel, and they're like, oh, well, it's just hard
because this, and I'm like, then, talk to big Boy.

(01:36:35):
Talk to big boy. Talk to big Boy and get
him to fucking fix California, because it's never been worse. No,
so you think you're gonna be the governor of California
with that hair and that ex girlfriend of Kimberly Gilfoyle
and that voice and that podcast with the Steve Bannon feature.
Just getting to keep this boy? I forgot that. No,

(01:36:56):
it's a mess. And I think that because he thinks
he can like troll Trump or whatever, and that people
know who he is because he makes a fucking spectacle
of himself, that he's going to be the one to
lead us forward. Let's run Bernie again. Bernie is the
only politician who says exactly what he feels. And I
do mean the only one, Bernie, come on, last coat. Sure, absolutely,

(01:37:20):
he is the only person who's actually nobleshit.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
This is This is another thing about early days, last culture.
I regret is being a Hillary eve Stan.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
I can't it because I think we were trying really
hard to just win. I know, but I feel so silly.
I here's what I'll say. The president should I believe
the president should have been Elizabeth Warren.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
You and many many of the of the smart Brooklyn
gays are aligned in this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
I'm sure we all like share like a certain ideology
about all this. But the fact is like the reason
we were Hillary stance is because at the time it
was like the Burnie thing. Remember you remember twenty sixteen.
I remember like it was like it got a little
thick there with like the way people were talking on
the Bernie side, and it was misogynistic and it was tough,

(01:38:09):
and I think at the time there was a very
girl bossy like obamacorush like.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Hey, don't talk like that, We're gonna crash the glass
ceiling girl, And I pull my head, check my nails.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
It was a very that and so I don't I don't.
I don't look back in regrets because we were part
of the culture, we were part of. Should we have
listened to the populist message all along? Is that ultimately
what would work for them? Yes, it's not gonna be
Gavin Newsome. And when any time a politician is making
it too obviously about themselves, I'm already done. Don't waste

(01:38:46):
your money. Sending to Jasmine Crockett, do not do it.
I must agree, don't do it. Don't you're gonna waste
your money. Take it from someone who sent Sara Gideon
like a ton of money in Maine, like, just don't
do it. Don't waste your money. Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
It's hard enough to come by another thing. I remember
twenty sixteen while I was reminded of it and heated rivalry.
That was the year that Boston won.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
I don't know. Yeah, hard to keep track of the sports.
And by the way, I am not being like fatalist
about the Domino. No no, no, no, no no no. I'm just
saying they are giving us a wide open opportunity here.
Let's not flop by putting up what they said, what
everyone said they hated in the beginning, which is an
establishment like California Democrat, like it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Who was doing it in the same way that like
they've all been doing it where it's always failed. Where
it's like like Colbert was asking point blank, like will
you run for president?

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
He's like, that's not my focus right now. And by
the way, that is a version of his voice that's
like sounds like Crystal Clear, get a fucking surgeon. It's
just it's so sick. And who is not telling him this?
What if you get hired to be part of I
should be his rama, Manuel, I would get him together.

(01:40:08):
What you guys don't know is I'm rama Manuel in
like a county gay way. Ooh, and then you're gonna
be mayor of Chicago? Is he mayor? I think he
was mary of he I know he was like Obama's
chief of staff, right, and he was like known as
being like a real dick, but like he got shipped done.
Chief of staff is such an interesting position. Did you

(01:40:30):
read that Susie Wiles article? No? Oh, that was t okay.
I've been in my politics back.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
I am see this is me like I'm getting off
my spaceship and then like i am ready to touch
things in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
That I've been away from. Does that make sense? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Let me just qualify the Jasmin Crockett thing. She's not
gonna win a Senate seat in Texas. You guys, like
if Beato oarar couldn't do it, Like Jasmine Crockett is
not going to do it. She is in and it's
the real It's nothing against her. It's just but that
she is a politician and that she is like, you know,
like very well defined already. And I think it's my
opinion that we are going to need someone who is

(01:41:09):
less defined at this moment that then rises up like
I'm interested in this tallar Rico guy from Texas. Oh,
I don't know him. I'm just interested in him, you
know what I mean. I'm like, oh, I haven't seen
him before. It would be hard for them to define
him as anything other than what he is, which is
like a rising democratic politician from someplace like Texas who

(01:41:32):
is like, yes, speaking a little bit to the middle,
but at least he's someone that like we can't define already,
you know what I mean, Like Gavin Newsom is defined.
I believe Jasmine Crockett is defined. Yep. Like I'm just
trying to win here, and I really feel differently than
we did in twenty sixteen, like the way to win

(01:41:53):
now is to like go with the energy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
I did just get a text from the people who
helped me write her into a sketch. Who Tricia pays
is mulling a run for Congress. I think I'm gonna
say as as as I feel like, Tricia, you don't
have to do it, just you're don't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
Worry about it. Who told you this?

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
I'm seeing on Twitter that Tricia Padus, californ Tricia Paytis
is mulling a run for Congress, lives in Westlake Village,
so would put her in collision course with Julia Browne
unless she is, Oh, I have my block on my Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
But she Tricia, you don't have to do that. Don't
have to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Authenticity. We're winning that. We're back to being authentic. We're
back to being authentic. Oh god, yeah, Oh I love it.
They said we were done, they said we were Now next.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Week, Robin's gonna come in and they're gonna be like,
why are they kissing Robin's ass. Here's why we're kissing
Robin's ass because she's a pop culture icon and I
can say with already we're gonna kiss her ass.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
And it's gonna be okay, it's gonna be great. It's
still gonna be a taste like Cherry. It's gonna be
a free show with twenty minutes of ads that you
can ask forward through.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
But by the way, we apologize about the ads and
we've made chain. We're figuring that out. Also, last call Trees.
This is so it's all just I'm talking to celebrities.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
We've had like friends on the show, like the all
like all of Q four down.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
It's like all the criticism, I'm like, but what about this,
it's easily disproven. I like, it's like, we'll have what.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
I don't care, guys, let us do it, like, let
us do the show our way, okay, and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Yeah, I mean, let us cook. And also like it's
it's just that we're like, if we're not doing it
exactly like this, it's just because we wanted to make
sure that that the show was released and we had
agree we're just gonna go off in December. Oh my.
My least favorite thing is when they dragged us for
doing three episodes in one day. They were like, I

(01:43:49):
can't believe they would ever do three episodes one day.
You mean work for eight hours straight? Yeah, I'm sorry,
that doesn't you're crazy with your ethics. I don't understand
why that's an issue. And then they go, well, match
should have at least changed his shirt. Fuck. I was like,
I put on a different overshirt, you asshole. Leave me
alone or else or else. This is the last time.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
This is truly, this is the last time all year
we're gonna be addressing this.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
No, because this and this has been so cathartic. This
actually is called exit Interview parentheses. The cathartic episode because
I am never looking at this again, and I spread
to God mark my words. Wait, we should really do this.
We should get brick.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
I have two bricks at my house. And there's also Opal,
which I love. What's oh, it's an app that blocks
things for you, but if you want to, you know,
if you want to take a break, you can take
a break throughout the day, which I do. Or it'll
ask you if you're sure you want to take a break,
and then it'll present you if you want like a
math puzzle or a puzzle that will give you a
quick dopamine hit. And then it's like, so you got

(01:44:48):
your dopamine hit? Do you s don't want to take
a break? It's cute. It's like, yeah, it's really getting
in the way of like you like mindlessly scrolling. Yeah,
and I would love to do less of Oh, absolutely,
wouldn't we all?

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
I think?

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
But I I think there's like a I think there's
like a thing now where it's like this again, like
the comment or survivorship thing. It's like anyone who like
has some sense of like self protection is like weaning
off of the phone in their own meaningful way.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
I mean, in an era when so much is changing anyway,
why not change this one totally.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
I'm like, I just remember the day when like I
left Facebook just sort of cold Turkey and I quit
smoking cold Twitter. You did, huh, because this is my thing,
Like I gotta tell this.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
I think this is good. I got a swite at
the Chelsea Hotel. You do that's like a customary thing
you do at the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
I've done it once before with celestin'stair, but I got
it for myself, and like I had friends over and
we had fun, and then I just had like a
two days to myself at the Chelsea Hotel. And then
they got me the balcony suite, which is like like
the only sort of balcony that like, letnic looks at
the Hotel Chelsea sign. And so then like someone left
like a pack of cigarettes and I like smoked. I
smoked one on the balcony and then I like looked

(01:45:56):
up like right before I was gonna check out, and
I was like, this would be a shitch places to
just quit smoking after I finish us and l I'm
at the Hotel Chelsea, I'm on the balcony. This is
the last one I've since had like cigarettes, I'm just
never buying my own again.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
But no, no, no, no quit. I've since had several no no, no,
So it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Cold turkey, but it's like, I'm never gonna buy my
own cigarettes ever again. That is my thing, and I
get to I get to have one, like if i've
like had a couple drinks.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
You remember the deal we made years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
If I would quit smoking if you got if you
were in therapy, and now you were. It's so it's
so grossly inequitable that I am ready to be honest.
I've just seen, unfortunately up close, what happens when what's
what's happens when.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Smoking and vaping gets out of hands. Yep. And I
would tell everyone that as a person that's had a
first hand account, do not fuck with it. And it
is it has nothing to do with anything but the
smoke and the vaping that I'm talking about, And I
promise you your life will be better without it because

(01:47:07):
think about it, Think about vaping. Think about how dumb
it is not that you vape, but like it's you
sucking on a machine. Who here does it show yourself?
You're all very afraid. I could come forward a fourteen
year old was doing it next to me on the train.
I was like, don't do it. Well, he'll be dead,
but just tell him he'll be dead by twenty Oh god,

(01:47:29):
what he will?

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
He will anyway, If you're vaping, you're gonna be dead.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
I've got I haven't. I don't think so Hony. Of
course you do. Let's we've been here two hours. Let's
let's should we should we split the episode into two? No? No, no, no,
it's just going all right. This is a big shav
of gonza. This is bowen yanks. I always go to
the compass when I mean to go to the timer.
It's okay, this is bowing yanks. I don't think so Hony.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
As time starts now, I don't think so many fries
the table. This is a myth that it's something that
everyone loves. Think about it. Everyone's like, yes, fries with
the table. Does it ever get fucking finished? It's a
huge waste. You get little potato confetti sitting in a
fucking cone. At the end of the night, no one's
touching it. After five minutes, it's completely gone. You have

(01:48:20):
a full cup of aoli there because guess what aoli? Also,
fucking sucks. No one in the Western hemisphere cares for it.
I only contains multitudes. It's ketchup all the way. Don't
even bother with the Aoli with the mayonnaise. This is
We're in new We're in America. As as unpatriotic as

(01:48:41):
I might be right now, I still care about that
with our Olympics podcast, ketchup for mayo and Aoli fries.
With the table, it's it's a lie. It's like it's
we all think we're all on board for it, and
then no one fucking touches it by the end five seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
I don't know. Let's just get real.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Let's get real in twenty twenty six, Okay, to the table,
it's it's just a myth.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
No one cares. That's one minute.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
What's what I I ask me anything?

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
I will. I'm just gathering my thoughts. What are you
talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
It is a fantasy, it is. It is in some
of the film are yes, but in theory, fries to
the table makes total sense. Right, Oh, everyone's gonna nibble
on fries. No one's touching it. Within five minute? Can
I ask you a question of it hitting the table?
No one is touching the fries. After five minute, everyone's like, oh, yes,
for ill, such a good idea. No one gives a
shit after five minutes. Can I ask you a question?

(01:49:35):
But first, can I say one thing?

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
And it's a real culture Ooh mommy, more like ooh daddy,
that's a real coachre number three? Ooh mommy, more like
ooh daddy. I say that because ketchup is ooh mommy.
What about this? Two orders of fries for the table? No,
so ways, I'm saying even one order. But can I
ask you a question? Do you think that? Do you

(01:49:57):
think that the reason why one batchel of doesn't everyone's
too shy. It's because everyone's like, oh, I'm not going
to put my hand in the one batch of fries.
Whereas if just if say it's a party of four,
right instead of one group of fries in the t.
Because here's the thing, I think we can all agree
that everyone wants fries.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Yes, okay, starting there, order your own fries. No, that's
too much, because this, Matt, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
Four orders of fries on the table.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
I'm telling you, Matt, I've been I've shut up, I've
bought enough, I've paid for enough, tables at the S
and L after party, because that's something we had to do.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
They still have to do.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
I've had to pay for so many fries for the tables.
I've seen, I've seen it. This is I'm practically from
experience talking about how you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
Could teach a college semit. I could teach a.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
College seminar on this, a media studies seminar on fries
to the table being sort of a societal ideal that
never really gets.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
Fully enjoyed. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
I'm I'm just saying I've seen. I have so many
data points about this. Oh, there's another half full thing
of fries. Yeah, that was that was supposed to be
for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
I just feel like it would be a shame for
there to be no fries. Oh, and I think to
everyone ordering their own fries is too much.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
If one person orders their own fries, they're not going
to finish all of them, and then that invites other
people that's able to be like, can I have some
of your fries, Matt, and you'll be like, of course,
and then those get finished.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
I would I guess I would rather that already be
an assumed fact that of course you can have some
of these fries because they're everyone's fries. Also, maybe you're
just not dining with the right people. Also, you don't
talk about the people I dine with. I will talk
about the people you dine with. I just dine with
you the other night, And how was that experience? Lovely?
You had some nasty things to say about aoli. Yeah,

(01:51:51):
I don't care for it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
I only care about mayonnaise if it's used to help
toast a grilled cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Is I only mayonnaise?

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
I hadn't really thought about that, basically, Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
It's like a gee, okay, what about Jon Mustard? I
love Jon Mustard. You're gonna be wishing there was fries
on the table to have with some of those. No.
I like Djon when it's it's an a sandwich. I
like Djon when it's my last name, Matt Dijon. I
love it. Remember when my remember my first name, Iran,

(01:52:26):
Iran Dijon from the Middle Yeast, the Middle Yeast. She
was spicy and unstable, just like my borders. This was
back in the day when you could be a little on,
you could be a little problematic because no one was listening.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Ah ah, And what how does that make you feel
she's okay with it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
In Sha La, you're okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
I'm allowed to say in Sha La.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Studie Green told me I could, and then I sat
it in front of Metra and she wasn't so sure.
But in Cha La, you'll all let me get away
with that. At home the readers, the readers.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Well, this was a fantastic episode, I thought, so never
getting me to cry.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Bitch, I cried too. We both cried. This was an
emotional rollercoaster, cathartic release. The action interview hashed parentheses, a
cathartic episode, no real edits. I think, just the pickups
that I you know, I will tell you. I have
one edit after we end, and we on every episode
with the song, all the.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Things she said, all the things you said, run, run and.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Do it text in if you think we should be
Ilia and Connor name Shane Connor is plays Ilia? Should
we be them?

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
For probably yes we will, but you be the white one.
I'll be the white one and I'll be the bottom.
Oh my god, can you imagine seven years without ever
changing your haircut? Like those boys?

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
Anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Bye?

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
Wow? They never did last.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Culturacius is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players
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Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Podcasts created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang,
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