"Floozy" (w/ Miss Benny)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own line Bowen,
look over there. How is that culture? Yes? Goodness wow
lost cult ding Dong lost culturistas calling. Yes, I know
that is one voice. Do not adjust the settings on
your devices. It is just me, Matt. I'm gonna explain why.

(00:22):
So as you guys may know, if you have Instagram
and are into that sort of thing, Bowen Yang is
going to be taking a little bit of a break,
and it is for good reason. Bowen has been sort
of heroically spreading himself thin, being just the busiest person ever.
He's literally flying to London to shoot Wicked back here

(00:43):
do episodes of the podcast. You know SNL was in
season all year. He was flying New York London back forth.
And he's expressed on the podcast over the past couple
of months feeling quite frankly exhausted. And so my thing
is I am first and foremost his best friend, and
I just want the best for him and for him

(01:03):
to feel like he has energy and can feel good
about coming to the podcast and joining this because this
should be fun. And lately I think he's just been
feeling a little spread thin. So this is something that
we have no qualms about saying, just take a fucking break.
So I said to him, like, take as much time
as you need, focus on getting to the end of Wicked.

(01:25):
They have about a month more of shooting, probably about
five more weeks of working, and he's gonna focus on
that and do that. And he has all of our
support and obviously all of my support because I love
my sister, and thanks everyone for reaching out, and you know,
seeing if he's okay, everything is gonna be totally fine.

(01:46):
He just needs some time and some space. We've also
been doing a lot, like we hosted the last Culture
Racas Cultural Awards, which was a big endeavor. We did
watch What Happens Live, We launched our merch on top
of him again and flying back and forth to shoot
Wicked and do all the things you do in life
on top of all this other stuff. So it's just

(02:07):
been going at a ten, eleven, twelve, and then it
all culminated in the Kelly episode, which we put so
much emotional energy into as you saw, and was truly
just a peak of the pod. And so now we're
just gonna take a second to just get our shit
together and come back better than ever together for you, guys,
the readers, the kitties, the publicist, the finalists, because we

(02:29):
love you and you deserve us at our best. And
Bowen knows that I am here though, And the good
news is I've actually turned it out with the guests
that I'm gonna be giving you starting with today, so
over the next month or so, like I said, it's
just gonna be me and the guests, but I do
hope you'll still join me. The sounds of thousands of

(02:50):
people turning off their podcasts, it's just like, not this Fagan,
not just this Fagon. I'm done. So basically, I just
sort of put myself in the pov of someone who
would be listening to just me, and I said, well,
I got to give them someone who's fifty thousand times
the star, just super nova energy. And that's why I

(03:10):
sort of landed on my guest today. So here's the
fucking deal. Here's the t If you're watching Glamorous on Netflix,
you know what's good for you. You know that this
show is giving you comedy, is giving you a little
bit of that soapy campiness. It's giving you a little
bit of the throwback to the ugly Betty vibes. It's

(03:32):
giving you Devil War's product energy. It's giving you Kim
Katrall in a return to television, we'll talk about that.
It's giving you get this very queer cast, queer power.
It's giving everything, but mostly it's giving you a star
turn by Miss Benny, who is not just an actress
but a recording artist. Will get into it and all

(03:55):
around powerhouse. I was lucky enough to guest star on
the eighth episode they called one eight in the Biz.
I iconically portray the role of Pete town Tony. And
if you've watched the show, you know that I have
two lines that get repeated many times. The words are
not this. I like to think I turned it. We'll
get into it. I can't wait to hear what my

(04:17):
what my guest thinks of my performance as edited. It
felt good on set, but you never know how it's
gonna come out in the edit, you know, But I
just could not be more excited. This is a big
day for Lost College. It's actually a long away to
day because even when I was on set, I was like,
I can't wait to get this bitch on most coach
because I'm gonna get into it with the bitch because,
let me tell you some thing, she turns opinions. We

(04:38):
played the most intense game of Star Actress during a
stopdown which ever heard we have thought about that. Everyone.
Please welcome into your ears the star of Glamorous and
so much more, Miss Benny. Did you hear that little
crack in my voice, Miss Benny? Moment?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
That's exciting. I'm also going through puberty bite in the
opposite direction. Absolutely starts to sound and my breasket a
little larger while we talked.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Just know it's Tine. Just understand the waves.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I have to say, that was really hilarious to watch,
and I kind of started to fantasize as you were
talking about being the only guest in this episode that
you just never introduced me and you just did the
podcast as normal.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I know. I've just like realized, like all the way through,
like maybe you actually kind of like this like section
the City Carrie Bradshaw Podcast vibe.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I can leave if you would like to do this,
I say, yeah, you got all these great guests, but
the fans know what they want.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
I'm so excited you're here.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I'm so excited to be here. I have like butterflies
right now.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Honestly, I was like, see, if my sister is going
to be away, I need someone that's going to give
co host energy. And I mean we've known each other
for do you remember where we met? This is iconic.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I actually wanted to ask you because in my mind
I've known you my whole life.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
But I know that they're probably Yeah, it was the
Betty who concerted the Fonda.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I got my pass out.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
It was your year of the Fonda, My year of
the Fonda.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I went to concerts like every three days at the Fonda.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Tell me about some fond of moments.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I saw Iggy isalea there by accident. Oh everyone hold on.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Again, thousands more turn off their podcast, right.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Sorry, guys, I really bones coming back, I swear. But
I was like passing the Fond to do something else.
And there was like they had on the marquee that
was Iggy as Alien. I was like, what are the
odds there's still tickets right now? And so I walked
up while her show was going, got a ticket when
there were odds you know.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Now that I'm telling a story, and I walked in.
I had the best see in my house. Yeah, it
was just for me.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
It was so crazy. No, and I was gagged to
find out that it was. At the time, I guess
she was touring with Miss BANGI and so literally it
was like Iggy would like do a song, then like
Vanji would like do a bit. It was really an
interesting take on like a comedy pop rap.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
It was a hybrid show.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, it was a hybrid show and honestly not far
off from your shows. Probably not Miss banjiebat Rogers. Definitely
the same world. I honestly could see that as a
headlining act. I would kill the three of us. I
want you to dress in the same outfits that they.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Wear fighting over Hugo's last Oh my god, I think
I have some claim none, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Mean you probably all have the exact same pool of
gay fans like it before we did the same crowd.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Are you real I did headline in the phone. It's
two nights in a row. Hell yeah, okay, and that's
a good show too, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I want you to know that my best friend, who
I don't think has ever met you, literally is constantly
doing your Martha May song. Really, yes, we it's like
such a recurring thing female up in Jolo. Yes, I
supposed to be on the Jovio thriller.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Thank you for remembering the lyrics. I feel like I
could channel you as I sing it.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's so funny. I had never heard it. I was like,
when I saw the show, I was like, talking you
up so much, but FULLY was like, I haven't seen
the show either, I don't know if it's good. So
I was like, guys, wa is just hilarious crossing my fingers. No,
you were so fucking funny, and specifically that song, I've
always idolized Martha May.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
So I literally was like, Martha May is a moment
in culture. Yeah, she got the jacuzzi running, she got
the dracuzie running. My thing is like Martha May, that's
the kind of person I want explored more.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
And You've always said that.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
And I've always haaid that there's two characters in that
show that I'm like, what's their real story? Martha May
and missus Claus. They go untold the women. Women's stories
matters for this Moon Ramen's stories matter, they just do.
Can we celebrate her? Yeah? So fond of moments. You
had a fond of moment seeing Iggy Azelia. You had
fond a moment seeing me years later, we met at

(08:20):
the Betty Who concert. Yes, Betty that was a great
show too. Here was that? That was twenty nineteen. Okay,
Wow that moment when you realize we actually have known
each other for years.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
So it's crazy because in my brain, twenty nineteen is
I think, twenty nineteen is my new two thousand and
seven where like, oh my god, two years ago whatever,
but like it was now four years.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Ago, you know what is it? Because two thousand and
seven was like a what you did that? Your mean
for you? Were you met? Okay?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, and like high school musical or like was his
Waverley place?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah? What about you? I mean, I guess two thousand
and seven for me, that was two thousand and eight.
Are graduated high school? So actually, you know what what
really like dictates two thousand and seven, two thousand and
eight for me, which, by the way, was a rough
time for the queers because this was like I remember
going into class. This is before Glee. Literally, yeah, Glee
changed it all.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Glee.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
They say, if there had been no Glee, Obama would
have never said the gay marriage should.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Be I actually do believe that.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I've heard saying roses turn Obama would not have.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Blanked any I will say people have been asking me
all the time about like what gay representation made me.
I like referenced Glee, And then I realized how kind
of funny that is, because if you look at Glee
as like now, it's so funny to think that was. Like,
so I remember crying watching the like first gig kiss
on Glee, and absolutely I watched it over and over
and over.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
First of all, the first season of Glee. Well, let's
say this, the first half of the first season of Glee.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You're like the first moment of the first season of Glee,
the first.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Seconds of Glee, Like, well, I literally say all the time,
you know, Ryan Murphy, bitch could turn a pilot. Yeah,
like some of the best pilots. And I remember watching
Glee and genuinely feeling like really excited about what it
was and then like it got crazy. But I remember
being like the kind of gay that at the time.

(10:07):
I think it was like two thousand and eight, two
thousand and nine. I think I was still closeted when
it started, and I was like, and I remained closeted
until just minutes we have to talk about it, and
I'm not ready okay, But I remember like when Kurt
was being so gay, there was like a part of
me that was like a little nervous about it. Like
I remember when he's saying roses turn, I was like,
we can't know, we can't do this. No, it's too much.

(10:28):
I don't like her. Yeah, I got her to do this.
And it was not this thing of like, oh fuck
this show, I don't like it. I think it was
genuinely like I'm scared that he is out there doing
this thing that I've only done in my bedroom, because
now everyone's gonna know I deeply want to do that. Yeah,
we all wanted to sing roses turn.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I talked about this the other day in some interview,
but I was like talking specifically about Kurt. It was
like it was just so funny because watching that, I
remember being like, oh my god, that's me. I love that.
But then like looking around me and taking the temperature
of the room, everyone was so critical and uncomfortable flamboyant
he was, and I remember at the time that was
like one of my early memories of clocking that, like, oh,

(11:07):
y'all don't also want to be that, so I should
probably like take that in yeah, and then I guess
here I am. Now maybe someone's also seeing me do
what I do and they're like scared.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
No. But the thing is, like, I think it has
changed so much because like that's what made Glee stand
out so much, because it's funny, you say, we think
of Glee as being this groundbreaking thing and then you
go back and it's like essentially what two white gay,
singing teenage dreamer at each other and we're like her, now,
that's like a Winter Green commercial or whatever the fuck.
But back then it was like I'm nervous. I'm nervous.
I've never I'm nervous to the point where now here

(11:37):
we are with Glamorous and it feels like and I
mean this in the most complimentary way, but it's like
we're joining this workplace in process and we really don't
question it. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like the
world is very saturated but also grounded in that queerness yea,
and even in the very familiar elements, like you know,
you have Kim who we all know from like what

(12:00):
was an iconic show of what was one of the
most white woman, straight woman shows of all time, and
like she comes from that and now here she is,
but it all feels very like harmonious. So I wonder like,
did it feel like normal and harmonious doing it, because
that would not have been the feeling like a while
back doing that, like you would have been looking over

(12:21):
your shoulder, like at the crew, which is probably a
lot of straits, you know what I mean, Like because
when I guess, did it felt like that? But did
it feel like that throughout?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well? What's interesting because you know, we're like a workplace
drama comedy, and I'm just so used to I'm sure
you'll feel this too, But like when you've like guest
starred on so many random shows as like the funny
gay character, like you get really used to just being like, okay,
I have to like carry so much right now, and
like I'm in a room full of straight actors who
are like it's really brave that you're doing what you're doing,
Like it just does it. It feels like you're doing

(12:50):
something so like specific. And then with this, like pretty
much the whole cast and characters are queer, So there
was this funny sense of like we've never had that
many gay people at a work environment before, and there
was like sort of a talk on set of like,
how do you conduct yourself when you feel like you're
at the gay club but you're not, You're actually at work.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I know, isn't that funny?

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I actually remember our episode one o eight. As they
say in the biz, it was so funny because up
to that point we had done such a good job
of like clipping our language and like keeping it like
understandable for the street people in the Mountain. No, as
soon as we imported you a jel, it was like
there was no hope. I actually think the crew after
that had such like I remember this sound guy came
up to us and asked me specifically what the word

(13:31):
cunt meant in this context, and I was like I
had to explain to him that. I was like no, no, no,
Like Matt calling me that is like actually the nicest
thing that could do.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Right, Well, I look at out on the ground. Absolutely
when I wave my finger it you wouldn't say the
word cunt. Yeah, Like, it's not me saying the meanest thing.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Seen me at the top of our lungs, like horrible
homophobic slurs that could never be repeated on air. It's
like entirely it's like I love you.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, it's like you'll go home with a badge of honor. Yeah,
that was such a fun time. That was the best.
And then even thinking like about the sound guy, you
know what I mean, just like the sound guy, we're miked,
So we're miked and they hear everything and they do
warn you about that when which is something you don't
think about when you're like going on set to act
like that you're miked and like there's a sound person

(14:18):
or a poor sound mixers that can hear it all.
The person that was like privy to our conversation, our
game of Star or Actress. We have to get into this.
Oh got okay? Joel Kim and I we love this
game Star Actress. And if you go way back on
the podcast, this game was introduced on most Cultures this
years ago. It was at some episode where Joel Kim

(14:40):
was guesting on and we just played this game for
about forty five minutes. So we love to play this game.
We brought it to the set of Glamorous because we're
a bunch of fucking queers, and what do queers have
to do during a stop done more than argue about
whether Jennifer Garner is a star or an actress got
and so you could not wrap your mind around this.
I still kind of can't if you ask me to
explain it right now. I do it wrong partly, what
is star actress? What is it a game?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
This is wrong and this is what I got absolutely
fucking crucified for.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
And I'm having xaning on this podcast next week. And
I remember you were having such a hard time and
zaying at one point goes, well, when we think about it,
this hard, it's not fun.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Well I that because I remember the crew was trying
to like rally us to get ready for the next setup,
but we weren't.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
No, Amanda seipher it is a star, and.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
For me it was one of those things. So in
my world, we use the word star to mean like
that that's like the best thing you could call somebody.
So if you're a star, that means like you can
do all of it. You're you're a great actress, you're
a great performer, like you are the person while like
an actress in my mind, to my understanding was like
that's all you'll ever do is you'll just be the
girl who acts like you're not like a presence, You're

(15:45):
just like on screen but and you can correct me.
Now I've found the understanding later to be that actually
it's the other way.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
So basically, there's not a pejorative in being either. I mean,
I can't so if you are Jennifer Garner out there
and I say Jennifer Garner is a star, not an actress,
and she takes offense to that, that's on her right
because guess what being a star is, Like you said,
it's huge, it's everything. Being a star is endorsements, products,

(16:16):
selling tickets. You know what I'm saying. Being a star
is hitting the carpet. So passionate well because I have
conviction about it, because I want to speak for people
who might hear that they're a star and feel disappointed
that they're not also a technician actress or a journeyman actor.
A star is that an actress is someone who comes
in and is about the work and is always going

(16:38):
to give you the take and is going to give
you the performance. But maybe you're not necessarily like the
box office slam dunk for example, Like I'll sell someone
out there. And remember it's hard to do this on
this podcast now because the podcast has become more successful
and I get a little nervous because then all of
a sudden, one day, and this is true, you hear

(17:00):
that someone like major listens to the podcast, and you're like, well, fuck,
I hope I didn't call them a flop?

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Do you think that any like female celebrities are listening
to this this right now?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I don't say me. I know for a fact they are,
and I'm gonna keep their names out of it. Okay, Okay,
so let's do someone that I know is not listening. Okay,
Juliana Margolise, Okay, star actress. I'm gonna be honest, I
don't know who you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I really I really wanted to do that bit where
I was like, okay, that's so funny that give me
what she's from.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
She's okay, I'm gonna like was the star of r
OH that I was not gonna know? I mean, you
know any way, No, that was so stupid to me. Okay,
how about this? This is a good one, Sidney Sweeney,
Oh oh ship. My instinct is start. My instinct is
start too, Like, I'm so relieated. I can't believe my
fucking gay ass just said Juliana Margolie to you.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
You looked at me, and I thought that was gonna
be the first question. I'd be like, oh, I have
thoughts on this, Sony.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
So but get this with Sidney Sweeney, I agree, it's
star because you think of her and you think of persona,
you think of the Sydney Sweeniness.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Ohso the name like she has it in like lights.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
But this is where we got fucked up when we
were filming, is that. I think the name that came
up that threw us for a loop was Kate Blanchette
because in my world, Kate Blanchett is like star of everything,
where it's like she has power to be all of it.
But I remember the people in the room are saying,
like actress in the way that she's like making notes
next to every single word on a page, right, And

(18:31):
so I was like mind blown at trying to wrap
my head around this game. And I remember specifically that
was the one that made us start fighting, and that.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
We started fighting and were late to set, and it
was a thing of like, Okay, now we've really made it. Yeah,
because now the clearer actors are truly running the set.
We're beef they're too busy, they're beefing they're too busy
down in the basement and they're like fucking lingerie. We
literally were in full drag like hooker clothes.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Like literally and by the way, I want to just
specifically give you when we were doing fittings for Cell
Black Tango, I remember they at least for me, they
gave me a rack of like just like sex shop
clothes and they were like, pick whatever you want. And
so I was like, oh, this is so fun. We're
all gonna get to do our drag race mini Challenge
quick drag like and so I put together my little
like Nsfia rab Bob and was like so ready, and

(19:18):
then literally you showed up, Like how would you describe
what you were in.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
The eighth pisode. Here's what I would describe my aesthetic, ays,
and I want to say my drag aesthetic is often
this okay late nineties white girl R and B singer.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
That is exactly what I wanted to say, But I
wanted you to it like owed.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Up to it like Pink when she first came out. Literally,
some girls got they like, God, there you go.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
That was exactly what you gave. You also had that
swish to your walk the whole way through.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
It was giving Houcci Mama. I didn't even know that it.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Was in the options when they showed us all the
wigs that was not there. I believe you brought that well.
First of all, I have like history with that kind
of wig. That's of like swoopy bang is something that
I gravitate to, that like feathery like y.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, it's funny because like I don't know, like growing up,
when you picture yourself in your giche, you know what
I mean, when you see in your mind's eye the
woman you are right Like I always thought, Oh, I'll
have really long blonde hair like Sharon Clueless, you know
what I mean, Like that's my essence, like you know,
popular girl. Meanwhile, you then get the opportunity to literally

(20:27):
pick and I'm like, I think I'm white girl late
nineties R and B singer with this swoopy bang.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Absolutely, you're like presented with your like Pokemon starter Pokemon.
You're like, I guess I never thought of this until
this moment, because now that it's in front of me,
nothing is clear.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
I didn't know I was charm Million, Yeah, until I
had the option to pick tre Million's heels.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
The only people on that lineup that I knew were
like had a vision from the beginning of their life.
Was Zane wearing the like surgy red curly hair, and
then Michael si Rosen wearing his like Madam Blueberry bob.
But by the way, that's not scripted that he was
supposed to be like a secretary. He in the fitting
was like you have a little pair of glasses and
his tiny little blouse.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
It's so funny that he would pick that, but he
served it up. Shure, Well, first of all, the gag
is watching Michael Sue Rosen dance.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
The scariest moment of filming for me the entire five
months we filmed was the two seconds we did choreo together.
And by that I mean we grabbed each other's arms
and pooled each other back and he literally when I
was doing that, he like came over and like pushed
my shoulders and like twisted my body and was like
it was like Suspiria.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
He was like breaking my bones to get into the
desision and I couldn't do it. I was like, you've
been on Broadway.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I did like a church play when I was a kid,
where I wore like a little robe and was like,
do not be afraid.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
So Michael Sue Rosen, iconically Chino in the West Side
Story revival on Broadway, was twisting you into the Spi
Pretzel doing choreo when you were like, bitch, yeah, this
is not the way she dances.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Well, I was also so freaked out because in that episode,
my character Marco was supposed to win this like lip
sync battle. But then like everyone else in the night,
all of y'all like have done musical theater, like this
is what you do girl, I'm the only one who hadn't.
So I literally was like, oh my god, I have
to actually like somehow turn this out. And they got
me together. I'm proud of it.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Well, first of all, here's what I'll say. There was
no question that you won on set being there, you
won for real. You had a close competition for Michael
Seuer Rosen, who was doing like leaps and twirls and
way unchoreographed. He added those he's amazing. Yeah, I really do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
The problem is that I am so in love with
him that, like when anyone else partakes in the love,
I'm like, fuck god.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, get away, like he's mine. He's one of those Yeah,
he's you know what I always say about people who
like you ever meet someone and you say like, oh,
that person's great, like they're kind of cool, and then
someone goes, oh, yeah, they tend to have that effect
on people bitter. I'm always like, put those people in jail.
I love that though, Like I love that.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's the same vibe to me as people who are like,
oh my god, I just meant this person they're so nice,
and they're like, oh my god, I've literally known them forever. Yeah,
and you're like, oh, it's so cool. What do you
know me share? They were like, literally, it's so.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Long ever, it's such a long story, and like there's
so much history in the way they're saying it.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
And I can't even like say, like too much. Yeah,
And the next time you see them together, that person
like introduces themselves to them.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah. I was like, if you're someone who walks around
in the world with the knowledge that you, quote unquote
have that effect on people, okay, you have to know
that and understand you might be having people fall in
love with you left and right. Yeah. And then meanwhile
the show comes out and what's happening in the gay
group chat that gets our starting to say I love
that Michael Sue Rosen, and you do have that thing

(23:32):
of like, well, back off, I do.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And it's also that I didn't. Yeah, the thing is
that I am exactly that person with Michael particularly. And
what's crazy is we didn't chemistry read for the show,
like really we were supposed to chemistry read, but things
were moving fast and they were so confident with Michael
that they were like, you're gonna have great chemistry.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
And I was like, he's so cool and he's so good.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
And then I was filming one day, like at the
very beginning of the show, and I had like a
couple hours to like go home, which like never happens,
and so I took that opportunity and he met me
for coffee, and I remember the whole time I was
talking to him, I was like, oh, no, I'm going
to actually.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Fall in love with you. I don't know. That's a thing.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
It was like a big fear of mine in it.
It happened, and I am still in love with him.
If he's out there right now, Michael just knowing, and he.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Is out there, I know he's one of those actresses
that's going to be listening. Okay, ready Michael Sudro's and
star actress. I'm like, oh my god, he would want
to be called an actress. He would, and we'll call
you an actress.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I kind of wanted to be by to call the
star because I know he would call you as soon
as he heard this and'd be like, what the fuck
was that about? No, of course, I mean we have
a scene. We have so many scenes in the show
where where like supposed to be like really acting, and
we did one where we were supposed to be like
screaming at each other. And I remember after the first take,
I was like, oh shit, you're actually like good. I
was like, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
How dare you don't be all being all good?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
I was like, not you earnestly acting right now? Like
grow up.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Younestly acting in the show. That's what we're paid to do.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
No, are you being hired to act trying to do it?

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I thought we were sort of doing this with a
wink in and us. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
I had this bit on set where after like ten
takes in multiple cover I would look at him and
be like, guys, we should start doing we should do good.
We should do a good take you guys and I
see a good take, and I look at the crew
and I would just be like, I'm gonna do a
good one. Is really I wasn't. I also had this
really fun bit that kind of bit me in the
ass later, which is before every take with Michael and

(25:16):
with a lot of the actors, but mainly Michael, I
would like, as they're being like sound speeding and hammer speeding,
I would literally look at me and be like, I
think you have something on you and actually not just
take you after Right before I take, I'd be like, Michael,
I'm I'm just like I have to get off my chest.
I'm really upset that you said this. Well, I'll tell
you after this, or I'll be like, hey, Jordan had
a note for you. He didn't give it to you.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
He'll probably come up after maybe after your coverage.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
And then Karma got it's kiss for me because then
one time I was filming with Kim and we had
our like comfort shoes because if our feet weren't in it,
we were like, why not wear crocs and shit, And
so I remember I was wearing like these platform purple
crocs with like butterfly little like whether those like sticker things.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Are those little bit embellishers.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Forget what they're called. They have a funny, quirky cut, like.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
They're going POGs or something. What are those that called?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Are those?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I just turned to my engineer dog and likes to
gibbs there gibbing, Doug, would you have known what a
gibbet was in a croc show? Absolutely not?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Okakay, well then the listener's at home you can imagine.
But anyway, so Kim, right before I take where we're
supposed to have like this inspirational speech with each other,
she just like looked down at my feet, saw the
crocs and laughed and then it was like action and
I was like, just laughed at my laughed at She
like did like a full like take of my body,
saw my feet and laughed, and I was like, I

(26:34):
think I get to go to gay Heaven now.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I think that's what this moment means. Oh my god,
were you gagged when you found out that Glamorous was
gonna premiere the same day as just like that? And
do you think it was planned?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Okay, So I'm speaking from the place of no authority,
like no one communicated with me. I've dodo this to
be fact. I do believe it is true. I mean,
come on, because why, I mean, I can't imagine anyone
in the planning of that was like, we had no
can you imagine when I will say, I know that
we were The show was supposed to come out like
the end of May, beginning of June, and then something happened,
and I remember hearing that it was getting moved, and

(27:13):
then it got announced the same week and it was
gonna be the same day.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
So that to me feels like they heard I have
to and we're like because also it's like sort of
rich to have her out there doing press at the
same time as all the Sex and the City people,
and also the announcement that she's going to be back
on the show.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Which none of us knew about. You didn't know, no,
I mean, it was truly the experience of watching all
that unfold was completely authentic to me. Like I was
so gagged and so stunned, and I was doing press
and they were being like, we're so excited that the
secret was finally out. I was like, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
You think.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Kim was calling me being like, I've got an idea,
I'm going back, Like I.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Don't think I wasn't running it by you.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, she didn't get the call from HBO, call Pat
Fields and then me like it wasn't that speaking.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Of So this is the bit that I have about
I'm just like that on the show. Okay'm ready. So
the first season just like that, And let me just say,
massive fan of Sex and the City as we all are.
And then and just like that happens last season and
there was like the chay of it all and the
sort of you know, new Sex and the City two
point zero as it were, to the point where it's
not even really Sex and the City anymore, it fully is,

(28:16):
And just like that, it's really more of an hour
long drama with these characters and more. My bit was
that the first season was written by the third graders.
And what I mean by that is that it's as
if this was the scenario a teacher came into class
and said to a group of third graders, Okay, everyone, today,
we're gonna be writing an episode of TV and here

(28:39):
are the characters, and whatever you do by the end
of the day is what's gonna go on. And here
are the rules you have to do an episode of
Sex and the City. Now I know you guys are
probably a little little for that. Maybe not no, but
here's what it is. And they got all the information
and by the end of the day as a group
wrote an episode of television and that is what we
see on screen. And I loved that about it.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah. I would not hear any criticism about that first season.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
No, no.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I literally was like, I respect your decision to have
that opinion. But I was like, I will be tuning
in every single.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
And let me say with energy, I put it on
every week and I was like, thank God, my show
is on. It's not Sex in the City. I've left
it behind. We are in and just like that now
where we are dealing with Miranda screaming from the depths
of the bottom of her stomach as she orgasms. Because
Jay is the best finger blaster in the world. They

(29:31):
are the best at what they do. They could teach
a college course and how to finger and pleasure a woman. Yeah,
and I'm here and I'm on board. I was acclimating
to the new characters. I kind of liked the drama
with BIG's death and Carrie's grieving. I thought sarahj Justsica
turned it this season. Mama Honey, girl, there's nothing happening.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
My mind is just blown how much Carrie's not in it.
That's like truly the number one thing that's blowing my mind,
Like I really when I watch it at home, like
the number one thing that we say is just like
where is Carrie during all of this?

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Like she's so cut off from the rest of everyone,
I guess, and this is the problem. I think, like
just like with the background and TV writing that I have,
and like, just like from someone who watches and tries
to enjoy a lot and like observe a lot, I
think what's happening is there's just too many fucking characters.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
There's so many characters. I love that everyone's getting to
have their storylines. Like if I was on the show,
I would be so thrilled to have like my own substory,
but like watching it, I'm just like, oh my gosh,
there's so there's like minutes that go by where we
never see the original three girls, and it's like we
want to see the girl.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, you know who's really suffering is Charlotte. Poor Charlotte,
Like she doesn't have a storyline.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Which I don't know how you feel about the original
sex and the City. But I feel like when I
first watched it and when people would talk about it,
I feel like Charlotte never got enough props for like
how much he carried the comedy in the show course,
and then I rewatched it before I filmed Glamorous. I
literally was like Charlotte's kind of like comedic powerhouse character
of this show. Like she a lot of the time,

(31:03):
like everyone has like earnest storylines, and then she's doing
like physical bits and like face bits and like, so
I love the character of Charlotte. So watching the show,
I'm like, give me Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah. So I guess like for me, it's like when
you're watching a sitcom like Sex and the City, It's
like it actually breaks down pretty mathematically, like you have
Carrie is gonna carry the a story, so she's gonna
drive the narrative, and then really the second character that
gets that's really like more of the second lead like
in terms of like getting the dramatic aft is Miranda,
So like she'll encompass a lot of those dramatic themes

(31:36):
and that's why you see her continue to get a
lot in like an hour long drama version of this show,
because we're used to seeing that character in three dimensionality,
you know what I mean, Whereas like Samantha and Charlotte
were sort of two sides of this coin where it
was like we're living in prude, yuppie world and then
we're living in like horror like you know, superhero professional world,

(31:59):
and like those are two different sides of Carrie's personality
that tug of war. So without the Samantha, it's hard
to really enjoy Charlotte. And when there's so many new
characters coming out without a defined thing, it just feels
like we're living in the sea of people. So we
have Carrie doing what she's doing, Miranda doing what she's doing,

(32:22):
and then the rest of them sort of occupying the
bottom and it's like none of them are served by it.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I really think the show like not even adjusting any
of the storylines. I know people have so many thoughts
on like how the character stories are actually going about,
like just structurally speaking. The two things that I think
would make the show have like the most magic possible
that I'm like I was counting on for season two.
I hope if season three comes around that they will
do this. But like the first is that I think
there needs to be because Sex and the City this
so well was a thematic thing every episode, so like, yes,

(32:50):
if the topic was being the one, then it's like
everyone needs to have their own story pertaining to that.
And I feel like the new season, like there's sometimes
an episode where I'm like, I don't know what it's about,
what it's like, what the end of the results of that.
I enjoy it and I'm like having fun watching it,
but I'm like, I don't know what the intention of
this episode was and the other thing, and I know

(33:11):
that they intentionally don't want to do this because of
the fact that they want to make it a new show.
I want it be like I'm in a writer's remote.
I'm like pitching. I'm like this would you Michel Patrick?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
But this is part of being a queer person watching
the show is it's like we do have ownership.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I'm doing more press for and just like that that
I'm doing for Glamorous if I being odists because I'm like, well,
we know.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
The two feed each other famously. They accept, but they're
absolutely obsessed with and I said.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
If they want they love a transor non binary actor
on and just like that, if they want someone, I
will come in, I will move mountains, I will do anything.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Did you believe Marcomhea exists in the same world of
and just like that? Do you think it's the same universe?
I do? I mean I find it that way. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I mean, in the original versions of the script there
were sex and the City references, which, like obviously with
Kim being attached, kind of had to be moved around,
I would imagine, because it would have been like listen,
where can be fun show? But there's something really weird
about the idea of Kim saying sex and the City
as a different character, like referring to the show Tod. Yeah,
but I mean, I well, I just got like.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Chills thinking about it. I don't like it. I gotta
love it, though maybe I do love it. Maybe that's
why I got chills. It's gonna be like a multiverse thing.
Kim Krall, she did like everything everywhere, all at once. Yeah,
that's one way I'm still open to the multiverse.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, So it's like there's three multiverses. I'm seeing I'm
seeing sex in the city, I'm seeing glamorous, and I'm
seeing I'm Kim Katrall scouting that specific video is its
own universe. When that Kim katrall in that video leaves
that scatting world, it's a different COVID never happened there.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Oh my god, a world where Kim Katrol, actual Kim Katrol,
Madeline and Samantha Jones were all in the room together.
I want the Hollywood Report, a round table.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I will pay for that. I will produce that.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
She can make it happen. Yeah, but yeah, So basically,
like I'm watching the show and I just want to
say something, like something really struck me. So I'm watching
it just like that. And of course I could go
in now on like the Chay of it all. Like
it's just so the Chae Miranda relationship is so not
fun to watch. It's weird. It's weird.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I want to love it because on paper, I'm like
that's fine.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, sure, But like the thing is, like I think
that what they've done with Chay that I don't think
they intended to do is Chay is so unlikable. I
don't like Chree.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's got to be the writing there, because there's moments
where I'm like, I like see like a flash of
what the point is. Yeah, but then they have moments
where like if there's conflict between Miranda and Chay, I
just like don't believe that anyone would respond in an
argument in that way exactly, And so like I never
know what. Like in the first season, I feel like
we're gonna talk about it. I just like that this

(35:49):
whole pot I know. Literally, I'm so happy to do that. Literally,
I'm totally okay to never talk about anything that I do.
But to me, like the first season, Chay was very
like fuck boy, just like, yeah, all my cards are
on the table, and I liked that. I was like, okay, cool,
We're seeing Miranda like pursue this like never ending like
pursuit or whatever. But then in season two now it
feels like Chay is like also like in pursuit of

(36:11):
something that they can't get. So like it's just weird
thing where I'm like, you guys on paper should just
be happy, yeah, but for some reason something is not happening.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
I think that what's happening is they are trying to
make Chay one of the main characters of the show.
Like we're seeing Chay get their own scenes like in
the dressing room where there's a concern about Chay's weight
from a producer things like that.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's pretty serious, right.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I think what the show is losing is the fact
that like we have to stay with the main character.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
We stay with the girls, and like stay everyone else
can be a part of it, but like you have
to put Miranda in that fitting. Yes, we have to
see them Miranda through her eyes. Because the whole thing
of Sex and the City, to like take it to
like a biblical way, it's like we are all of
those girls, all of us, my girl.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
It's literally like the quadrants of personality. Why it's like four.
It's like not to bring this in, but it's like
that's why they separate the Hogwarts houses, you know what
I mean, Like the Sex and the City girls, Like
there's four, you know what I mean. It's like you
can quadrant it in a way that makes sense, you
know what I mean. And so when we're split into
a million different directions. And also they're changing the characters

(37:18):
a lot, it's like, of course, women over time, they change,
they grow, but they are centrally who they are and
that's important in storytelling.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
And so like when if we started crying right now, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
We are and one thing that you don't know about,
miss Benning, and I is this is how we cry,
like we're really crying hard, but anyway, like losing the characters. Yes,
but the one thing I really wanted to talk about
and this is important to me as a podcaster. Okay,
so when Carrie he gets an ad that has to
read in her podcast for a feminine odor product and
can't wrap her head around it after.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
You already has sex column for decades.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Honey, you first of all, let me give you a
glimpse into what podcasting is. You're getting that you just
fucking read it. Yeah, you just fucking read it. There's
no integrity involved. Do they put it in front of you,
You read it, and you make your check and you
go the fuck home. And if anyone should know that
it's Carrie fucking Bradshaw, it blew my mind. It was
mind blowing. And I also just love that she was like, wow,

(38:16):
we got a week off of work or like whatever,
and I was like, these people is it?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Like you literally have scenes where her people that she works,
they're like all of her colleagues are literally like please
do this ad and She's like, it's just not my style.
And I'm like, honey, that blew my mind.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
It was It's just like who is this woman? You
know what I mean? Like, and it's just such a
misunderstanding of how it all works. And then for the
podcast company to fold because it's like quote unquote tough
for podcasts right now.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
It's not also that one ad broke them, like we
don't do vagina, lubricate, well, pack it up.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
We're all going like look around at this budgeted like
podcast studio. Also, the guy, the podcast producer, she was
fucking was hot, but there was nothing there.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm also like I'm kind of
miss on sex in the City. I feel like the
men were like really objectified in a way that I
really rotate them out. They were rotated. They were also
like naked a lot. Like I feel like when we
saw Steve's I will never forget seeing Steve like laying
on his stomach and see and being like, oh, this
is made for me, Like this is what I want

(39:21):
to see. And I feel like there's like not as
much sex appeal and the men in the show, and
the men are attractive, so I'm like.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, they're just not They're not being utilized in that way,
it feels like a neutered version of the show, which
is bizarre.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
It's strange to have a show like based around I
guess it's not based on sex anymore, but like, I
want to see this.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
We got we got lots of good ass and glamorous.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
We did get some good ass and glamorous, and we
didn't know how much was going to make it because
we shot every scene that we did that had nudity.
We shot it like at every stage of nudity.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I see you got the PG version.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, we did all of them just in case, and
they used most of them. Like I was actually really
shocked to find out that there was a lot of
butt in the show.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh yea, there's so much butt the show in quality
but too Yeah. And also like I just love when
you have a gay director and they framed the ass
in the shot, Like David Warren, who directed the PROVINCETI episode,
if he thinks that people don't know what he was
doing with Zane Phillips' ass in that scene where he
Zane is standing on the diving board and it's like
we're all in the foreground, like playing in the pool,

(40:19):
and then it's just Zane's like fifteen out of ten
ass just like standing on the diving board. I was
just like, it's so funny because he's so gorgeous that
you just laugh. It's almost not human. Like I talked
to him about this one time.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I was like, he's so sexy that it's like there's
no sex to me anymore. Like I literally am like
he's so I've now like just see him as like, oh,
you're like an action figure.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
I know.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
It was also funny because Marco, like Netflix had this
like really funny attitude towards Marco where it was like
Marco's like having sex and doing drugs and like doing
all these young adult things, but also like Marco's a sweetheart.
We need to like protect Marco. It's like a little virginal.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I was like, okay, you're like, no, Marco's a whore. No.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I was like, literally, Marco is like fucking around show.
It's crazy. And anytime everyone else had to be naked,
I was like always the most covered up to the
point that it created this narrative on set that people
were like, if you're not comfortable, you can keep your
shirt on into seat.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I remember just what to be naked to see me.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I was my body to be out. There's like a
whole we shot. The we did like an underwear party
sequence and it's like one hundred extras in jockstraps and
then us in our little tidy white's and they were
just telling us to do stuff. So it was like
go to the DJ booth and stand on this desk
and like dance into a shot. And then at one
point they had Michael c Rosen walking down a line

(41:36):
of background actors, kissing them on the cheek, and then
me on a stripper pole and I'm supposed to be
like dancing on and we were so fatigued and tired
because you know, and Eve ben filming in a hot
steo for so long and eventually you're just like saying.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Whatever they asked or like sure.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
So I like did like a minute long take where
I like I did things that God would not be
proud of. And I remember the note I got back
the next day was that Netflix watched the dailies and
we're like, so miss Binny on a pole that was
a lot and I was like, sorry, I did not
mean and it was used for half a second in
the cut.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, I mean that's why you give them options. Yeah,
I'm going to give you what it feels like I
was doing to actually be up on this pole. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I was like, listen, if we get one sex moment
in the show where someone gets to be an absolute whore,
I'm going to claim it.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I'll never forget getting to set. I think Joel and
I ended on set, and I think you guys had
like just done that very acrobatic like sex sequence. Oh yeah,
you and Graham had, like I guess, like really went
for it.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Like we had like five days of just sex and
making out, which was cut into a thirty second montage,
And it was so funny because me and Graham up
to that point were very friendly, but we hadn't really
like had like a moment yet because we hadn't really
shot anything very intimate like that. And then like day
four of just like consistently making out and being like
oiled up because like he was always naked, so he's

(42:55):
like oiled up in body makeup. I have like heels
and ruffles on because once again and they will not
let me show any inch of skin. And I know
there's actually a scene where and I remember fighting with
the director about this because it was so crazy. But
I'm supposed to completely take off that whole outfit in
the scene, and so every time we reset, I had
to literally like re button and reput on everything and

(43:18):
then take it all off again. And I was like
being an actor so.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Hard, an actor faking sex.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
And also the famous story from that is that so
Graham is naked, naked, barefoot, like dripping out of the
shower and I'm wearing these Alexander McQueen shoes with these
three spikes on the end that are like legitimately weapons,
and I kept telling everyone on set.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, you heard him right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I was like, these will hurt somebody, like, please be careful.
And then in the scene, because Marco's the top, I'm
supposed to like whip him around and push him down,
and I remember we did like twenty takes of it,
and then the last take, I like pulled him in
for the kiss, and when I whipped him around, I
heard a pop, as if someone had stepped on a balloon.
And then when I pushed him down, he had like

(43:59):
a wind on his face, and I was like, I
just I thought I did good and maybe the kiss
wasn't featuring like I was like wondering why he looked
so like distraught, and then we looked down and there
was like a puddle of blood.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
It stepped on the spikes and I essentially twisted him
onto the spikes and then tiled the girl.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
I did. Yeah, and then not just in a twin
top way. I know.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Lots of them, pale, yeah, sex, montagement, a lot of
things in that in that element, And to this day
he still has like a three prong scar on the
bottom of his FID shut the fuck up, And I
think he owns a part of Netflix now, I think
that was part of that.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, that was it. It's like years ago I heard
a story about like, well I won't say what massive
theme park it was, but a friend of mine went,
Dolly was it wasn't, sorry, Dolly, no injuries have ever
happened there. I'm sure she just clicked off of this. Now.
She was like, by the way, you're a star, Dolly.
But someone I guess was at this like massive theme

(44:55):
park chain and like you know those like umbrellas that
you put in a hole on a table so like
if it's really windy, it could come out of the hole.
Ostensibly so I guess the the umbrella. The umbrella flew
out of the hole because a gust of wind came
and you know the top of those umbrellas have those
pointy tops, So it flew over and lodged into my
friend's little brother's head, okay. And it was the kind

(45:21):
of thing where it went into his skull, and it
was the kind of thing where it was like, oh wow,
this traumatic thing has just happened, and I feel no pain, right,
And so first they came over and took care of it.
And apparently they get to go to that theme park
now for the rest of their lives for free, as
long as they don't ever say anything.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Okay, and I won't say so you're telling this tor
right now. They like are at that theme park right
now being removed, and they're like, you talk.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Well, you shouldn't have told your fucking blabbermouth gay friend.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Right with the podcast radio mouth over here. I know, period,
that is crazy. It was completely insane. Actually, I see
those umbrellas that are like locked into the table. I'm like,
this is a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Crazy, It's just like it's too much. There's got to
be a better way. I literally watched.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I was at the beach the other day and somebody
had one of those umbrellas you like screw into this
hand and it had come out and was like flew
over and literally almost impaled somebody.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, it happens. You're like, happens to me all the time,
all the time. You get used to it. You can't
have fun anywhere these baby malleble baby, speaking of speaking

(46:35):
of formative experiences, like the traumatic experience that my friend's
little brother went through. Right, We're going to transition out
to this part of the podcast, which is really the
central question of this podcast, And I'm thrilled that I
get to talk to you about this because I know
it's going to be a thrilling, engrossing answer, which is
Miss Benny, what was the culture that made you say
culture was for you? This is that thing that you

(46:57):
can look back and you're like, when I consume this culture, Sure,
when I was privy to this pop culture, that's when
I can pinpoint me becoming who I am.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I'm really excited to say this because I'm curious if
you were also this person. But for me, it was always, always, always,
I could sim off one hundred stories about America's Next
Time Model.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Oh come on.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Particularly, one of my earliest trans thoughts and memories that
should have like illuminated everything to me was when I
was a kid, I would watch the show and I
would dream of and not dream of in a way
of like that would be fun. It's like I originally
was like, this will happen for me. I was like,
I'm going to be on this show. I'm going to
be one of the contestants. And I remember I would
tell that to people and they'd be like, oh, if

(47:38):
they ever had like boys to the cast, and I
was like, what the fuck is.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
There?

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Was like that literally is don't talk, don't talk, you
are ton't invest, don't talk.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I was like, We're not doing that.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
And then when they actually eventually added boys to the show,
I stopped watching. I was like, Yeah, this is the show.
I wanted to be one of the girls.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I want to go to Rome.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I wanted to like do all of the Tyra banks
like Trauma, Shananigan.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
You want to do Gosties, Yes, I wanted.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
To go on the go Sies and have them tell
me that I'm too Southern, Like that's what I wanted.
I wanted to go to after all of those and
go booked, like I wanted to have my confessional moment.
I wanted to like hook up with a boy in
Italy and cry about it, like I wanted to have
the whole thing. And then it was also my first
time I ever saw gay people, the first time I
ever saw a transperson with Isis King, and I remember
her experience on the show that time in television was

(48:24):
just crazy. And obviously America's ex Model was very famously
like when people watch it back, they're gagged at what
made it on TV at the.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Time problematic culture, but it was formative.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Culture, formative, and I remember Isis on the show specifically
was the first time I ever heard of what being
trans was. And it was crazy because she was like
met with so much blatant transphobia. I mean, they were
just like zooming in on her body in very crazy
ways during like all of these photo shoots, and I
remember just being like, this is insane that they're treating
her this way, but also feeling like I'm so I

(48:54):
like see myself in this person for the first time,
and she was like one of the girls, one of
the models, and like I remember, it was just like
so cool to me to watch queer people on a
show like that, And it was like somehow able to
be like sneak that into my like conservative Christian household
because my sister liked it and it was seen as
like a girly thing. So if I watched it, it

(49:15):
was like, oh, that's just because it's on. Yeah, it's
one might as well. But I fully like with the
little digital camera we had, I would like hang things
on my body and like pose And I remember Eva
and Cycle three like had this famous photo with this
transl onnic where her hands like cascading over her eye and.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Maybe the best picture ever taken on that series.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
To this day. If someone's ever like be Fierce, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, it's like it's the little v over the eye.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Huh, which is like, by the way, what are the
corniest posts you could possibly.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
That's maybe why I like it so much, just because
those girls they see in the comedy queed literally literally wow,
okay wait. The fact that you were the only one
on set that understood when I said.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Came from there's so many particularly by favor with you
is you were one of the only people that understand
my like random drag race preferences because everyone can do
the like back rolls moms.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
But I remember I was.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Like, let's take a second to see how this goes, right.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
And I was, oh, please, because there's nothing more important
to me, and we will get back to the top model.
But like, the thing I think is the funniest thing
in the world is Cadence's like when people say things
a certain way, like the choice of Alroy, Like to me,
it's like I will always say to Bow and I'll
just go Orroy and I can say that sort of

(50:33):
knowing what it is, like some people in my life
sort of knowing what it is. But I do have
to always remind people. The one time I did not
have to remind people where it was from, was you.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
My best friend Buddy always makes funny because if I
say something with a particular Cadence and he doesn't recognize
what it's from, He's like, what, like two thousand and
eight reality show, I'm constantly doing from top motto. There's
a moment where I think it's cycles stick. It is
whatever Nicole's season was, but she there's an argument between
Lisa and this other girl who I'm forgetting the name
of right now and she he literally is like calling
her out for something. They were goes and what are

(51:03):
you doing, stupid alcoholic bitch. I say that if someone's
ever like, oh, Benny, You're like you're in the wrong
lane or something, I'll be like, and what are you doing?
It's my favorite thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
There were so much from that show that like remained
in pop culture, not even just as like you know,
a funny tyre thing or like a funny thing about
the contestants, but just reality show culture, Like there are
two beautiful girls standing in front of me, I only
have one photo in my hands, you know what I mean?
Like study and I always go. My friend Sudi and

(51:37):
I always go, like whenever we have to like say something,
I always do.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
And if I'm talking about anything to do with Brazil.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
There's something about the season with Melrose and Carrie D
which is my favorite. Unhinged. Those girls were out well,
they were completely insane. Carrie D was completely remember the runway,
the final runway, which was them like screaming down the hall.
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, they were doing this like Alexander McQueen screeching thing.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, that was insane.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I love that show.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
And I know it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I know that it's aged in such a crazy way,
but there's just nothing quite like the moment where I
forget the name of the girl who literally like faints
in the middle of the yes yes, yes, yes, yes,
and then they just like resume judging afterwards, Like it
is the craziest I think.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Tyro was like, and this is the reason why we
drink water. Okay, keep it going.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
She's like when I was a model working backstage, if
I fainted, I just went out there and I fainted
on stage.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, and I made it part of the show.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Also, just the pop culture of every single time they
makeovers came Tyra being like, you're gonna have a pixy
cut like Mia Farroh, and you're gonna have long, straight
hair like Naomi Campbell. Ye always talked so highly of Naomi,
which was so wild when you were also a fan
of like the Tyra Banks show.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Oh yeah, oh I loved it. I ate it all.
I mean, one of the great YouTube videos you can
go back and rewatch is the Tyro Naomi interview.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
But there's no audience and it's literally just them too,
just like.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Just like the way they couldn't get there, and they
had to clearly like have a commercial break, and the
producers had to say to Naomi like, hey, like we
definitely need some resolution here, like it's going to be
really bad. I dream I actually thought about I do apologize, yeah,
And she's like, I don't know what fool, but I apologize,
like's not that deep? I it's not that deep. Is
a moment in culture, so good.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
And I Also my favorite quote from that too is
when Tyler's talking about something that Naomi said a photoshot.
She's like, you came over to me and you said,
you know what you said? And Amy goes, what did
I say?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
What did I say?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
It's so fiir. She's like excited, She's like kaking about it.
What did I She's like, where did I get you it?

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Oh my god? How did I get you together that day?
Little girl?

Speaker 2 (53:39):
And then I think it was that she had said
something of like I heard what you were saying about
me earlier, bitch, and then like walked away, and I'm like, okay,
first of all, if I said that to somebody, it
would absolutely be funny, Like it would be a joke.
I'd be like, I heard what you said about me.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
That's what I love about being not that's what I
love about being queer. But like the thing is like
like pride is over man and and like I said,
I am sobbing full and like this is the thing
about me. But that is something at least that is
like gifted to us. Is It's like nothing is ever
that serious, like unless it is. But like if I
came over to you during a take and was like
I heard what you said about me, you fucking bitch,

(54:12):
I know you would laugh, yeah, of course. Wellas back
in the model days of Tyra and Naomi there was
no laughing.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
There was nowhere.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And then just to like really, I mean the pinnacle
of like pop model personalities was Jade because how could
you ever top that, I mean, proto type villain. I
wonder where she is now. I would love you to
have her on the pod if you haven't already, like
that would it would be iconic. She understood reality TV
before I think people understood how to do reality TV.

(54:40):
It was like, oh, you're in Tiffany Pollard, Like it
was like two people who understood how to do this.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
And can we just say justice for all of these
mostly women who got the bad rap of like, oh,
she's a villain, she's the quote unquote bitch. Like whatever, no, no, no,
what they were doing was giving you something to watch.
It's like, if you go back, this is probably before
your time too, but like years and years and years ago,
I know you're a Survivor Queen Jerry Manthe on the

(55:05):
second season of Survivor Australian Outback. She was like aspiring actress.
She she did well in the competition. She was unabashedly horny,
she was devious, she was like one of the girls cackling.
She was making up lies about other people. She said
that one of the tell me literally. And she did well,
and she had such a bad reputation at the time

(55:27):
in the media because she was like, you know, like
the vixen and like the bitch goddess of the island
and like the villain and the antagonist. Meanwhile, if she
competed on Survivor today, people would be like, that's genius
that you made everyone think he smuggled in beef jerky.
That's amazing you told that personally said something bitchy about them,
because that's how you win. Now, cut on these antagonists,

(55:48):
these girls that were doing the show and getting in
each other's heads and doing reality television. Yeah that got
this bad rap at the time and probably couldn't leave
the house would be celebrated today, and we celebrate them
on this party.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Absolutely. And I feel like gay people have like always
been a little in on that. Like I was just okay,
this is crazy. But when I was with Zaane last night,
we were at some party that Parverty was at.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, Parverty is very around. I watched the
finale of Survival with Parverty this year. Oh my god,
so you're a blessed child. That is so lucky of you.
Did you get to engage with Parverty? Yes?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
And the person who was hosting this party was like, Hey,
I know this is funny, but this is real. I've
hidden like a hidden immunity idle at this party and
so whoever finds it. I don't rember what the like
prize actually was, but I was like, you have to
find it, and so me, of course, me and Zaye
were like, we will.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
All over the house. Wait, this happened last night.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
This happened last night.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Because this same thing happened at the finale party. I
was at her with I'm wondering if this is something
she does at party.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
She does because she knows we want it, because when
we met her, we were like skirting around the fact
that we're all like this is a fivate legit, like
this is crazy. And so the next thing, like Parvety's
like giving us tips on where to look, like she
like had heard notes and hints that were given, and
so like then it looks like we're just like robbing
this person's house because I'm like, you're.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Like in the bathroom going through cabinets now.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
But listen, Like if somebody who's hosting a party and
by the way, didn't know the host before this, if
somebody's housing a party that you're going to and you
don't know them very well, and they tell you I've
hitden a hatmmunity to ido you need to find it,
You're then negotiating with yourself like how serious can I
take this?

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, it's just carte blanche because I'm going through your pills.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
We opened the microwave, like yeah, like going through drawers,
Like there was a room that was closed and I
was like do I go in there? Like I was like,
I don't know what the rules you would Parverty and
then guess what. About an hour into it, I went
up to the host and asked for another hint and
was like, I think, I know it's probably over here,
and they were like, somebody found it, and I think
it was Poverty.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I really do well. She's so good at that.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
And so then we went up to Parvety and we
were like, but whoever gets it, I'll probably isn't gonna
tell anyone about it, right, And she was like, yeah,
I've heard that that's probably the right way to do it.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Isn't it funny? Like when you meet Poverty in person
and she like, is Parverty? Yes, you know what I mean?
Like it's been years since she was on the show,
but it's giving part.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yes, she's perfect. She's perfect every season I've watched with
her in it. I'm just like, how if I was
in that competition and she was there, I would sacrifice
myself for her.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, and anyway I'd be like she is one of
them too, though, like because she also was like on
Survivor at that time. Yeah, where now I think looking
back and I think, like true Survivor fans like always
do think of her as one of the greats, obviously
because she is. But at the time I remember her
first season like, yeah, which is cook Islands, she was
looked at as like, oh, she's the flirtatious one, like

(58:29):
her game is not to be taken seriously, et cetera,
to the point where I remember when she came back
for Micronesia, which she ended up winning again, everyone was like, oh,
we know her game already, like it doesn't work. Then
it worked beautifully. And at what I love is seeing
girls come on the show and try to do the
poverty thing and I'm like, girl, you could never be party,

(58:53):
you could never be watched to.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
That's my favorite thing is when you people are like
what kind of game do you think you're gonna play?
Because you know, I watch all the pre interviews and
people are like, I think I'm gonna be like poverty.
I'm like, shut up.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
The thing about Poverty that watching it, that truly it
gets me every time, is like she somehow has this
like aura of I'm like so clued in, but I
also don't give a fuck. Yeah, she truly like knows
how to give somebody just enough attention in a way
that does and that's something that I absolutely don't have
as a person, like I fully will give way too

(59:26):
much to somebody because I'm like, this is what you want, right,
But she like in every conversation she had, she just
felt like she was like, we're the cool one.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yeah, she's never done too much in her life.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
No, I don't think she even knows what that feels like.
And so every time I watch her, I was just
like taking like social notes on how to speak to people.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
She's so good, social notes that you probably were not
taking during Top Model because they were the collection of
the craziest people in America.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
No, I think Top Model like formed me and then
parverties me trying to unform. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to
like take what I have and likes it.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Okay, So America's Top Model culture like that was formative.
Do you have just to throw out there? Do you
have a picture in your mind of who the best
not winner, but contestant and in America's next Top Model
history is like who is the most iconic? And it
can be a winner who.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Is the most iconic? Oh that's a hard one. I
do feel like when people post clips of Top Model
obviously like not of Tyra. I feel like it is Jade,
Like I do feel like it has to be her.
I feel like I remember vividly the warfare when Alis
and Harvard did not win her season of Psychoto, and
I remember just how scary it was to be a

(01:00:37):
Top Model fan at that time, because it felt like our.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
World who was scared of? I was scared.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I was scared. Yeah, I think that, like I'd never
seen like a fan favorite on that show more than her,
and I've met her a couple of times. Down every
single time she Like you know when you meet someone
that like you really admire their famous and they've like
worked on something years ago and you don't want to
like ask them about it, so you just like talk
to them and they like refer to this thing that
they did and they're like, oh, yeah, I did this

(01:01:01):
show and I was like twenty that was like super
crazy and now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
You have to like be like oh cool, Like oh wow,
what was the what was it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Then they're like, oh, it's like a America's Next Time
Model And you're like, oh that's so yeah, I've seen that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
So did you play that game or were you you did? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I'm of course that girl. Are you kidding me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Again, you are being part of you could not give
too much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
No, I can't because it'd be too much to give
too much.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I always I feel like it's better now to just
be like I saw this thing, I know this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
You're really good at that though, I will say, like
when you meet the girls, you're really good about just
being like I worship you and we can move on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I feel because I feel like it does get it
out of the way, because then all of a sudden
you realize you're like drained. Later when you're trying, especially
like when you yourself are meeting someone like and then
they revealed like I've been on dates very good where
thank you so much. I've been on dates period. Okay,
end of podcasts, no, but like I've been on dates

(01:01:56):
and like it'll be like the third or fourth date
that someone will be like, hey, I just feel at
this point it's a little weird, and I want to
tell you like I do listen to the podcast weird,
or I do watch this show, or I do know
this movie, or I do know this thing, or even
sometimes like I've actually been to your shows, and at
that point I'm just like see and now being on

(01:02:18):
that side of it. Now, I really know, just tell
people the knowledge that you have.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
You have to acknowledge it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
They move on because all of a sudden, it's like honey.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Because then it feels like they've been hiding something from you. Yeah,
and it's like, well now I feel like looking back
at every interaction, I'm like, this was all colored by
you knowing me versus I would have just known that before.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Yeah, that's interesting. I would never think like, oh, what
was your motive until now, Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
That's creepy. I'm so sorry that happened to you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Are you partnered up right now? Are you booing? You know?
She's Oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
God, answer, it's so crazy of me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
I have this like she's taken care of she you
know that I know about the that was so sorry.
You know, she's having orgasms. She's very and just like that.
But you know what's so funny is I have this
like because of the era that I became like privy
to pop culture, I'm like so burned in my brain
with two thousand and eight logic where I'm like, when
you're a public figure, you need to be like so open.

(01:03:18):
People need to feel like they could have you if
they knew you. Okay, talk about this because you know
how like think about like Justin Bieber or like any
of these like pop stars. Early on, it was always
like you want the audience to feel like you're attainable
and if you were like dating something. I mean I
think of a lot of these like boy bands and
pop stars who like it was always like, oh, you know,
I don't really talking about it, Ariana Grande being like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
You know, just flirting. Yeah, it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
And so I have that burned in my brain, which
is like not how it is now to the point
that like if I go on a date with anyone,
or I meet anyone or anything's going on, like I
hold that so close to my chest, like the world
is banging on the door to know anything about my life.
It's so right. And I will say the weird thing
now about being like on the like weird like Z

(01:04:06):
list of gay famous is like the ways that people
recognize me and know of me previously are so weird
where it's like if I go to like Forever twenty one,
someone will know me. If I go to like a
max store, someone will know me. But people also like
grew up with my music and my YouTube videos. Yeah yeah,
to the point that now, like even on like the apps,
someone will message me and be like, oh my god,

(01:04:27):
I grew up with your music or whatever, like it's
so great, and then they like send the folder and
I'm like that is the strangest segue.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Yeah, so like I don't know what to do. It's like, hey,
I don't think so, honey, if this is not actually you,
ha ha oh yeah. And then you see their hole yeah,
and I'm like, oh my god. It's like if you
sat on Santa's lap and we're like, well, you're doing liter.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
And I just want to let you know that I
grew up with you. I've been leaving. She's out for
you all my life. Here's a picture of me sliding
into someone else. I'm like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
And then it's like a voice message Santa. Yeah, Santa's hot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
I guess now I'm humanizing I'm Santa. I guess in
this context, would she fuck Sannah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yeah you would. Yeah, I mean you have to remember game.
I'm like, but.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Imagine the steps to this moment. Yeah, I would need
to know, like this isn't a Santa personate. I need
to know, like this is real Santa's reo.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
First of all, well, first of all, let's let's exist
in mall logic, right, So when you go to the mall,
that logic, yeah that's Sanah. So like just know when
you meet Santa, that is Santa. Yeah, okay, period, Absolutely
I would the dick of death. I would take the
dick of death from Santa. I am ready for Sana.
I think he gives the dick of death.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I think so probably Yeah, he says he ho ho,
that's so true.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Do you think he's faithful in missus Claus. I think
there's no way he's what faithful to missus Claus.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
I think they're open. And I think she's plugging up
at home too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
You think so, yeah, she got it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Listen, think about the North Pole, think about all of
these like workers that grow up. They can't always work
in the twenty factory.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
So years and years and years ago. This is back
in the day when like doing comedy, when I was
in like you know, the late aughts, like Twine twenty ten,
like this is when I was like starting to like
do comedy. And one of the things that was very
sort of common about doing comedy at that time was
like you would do a comedy rap. So years ago

(01:06:24):
I wrote a comedy rap that actually does exist online.
It's called When Santa Leave, and it's about when Santa
leaves the North Pole, how high everyone gets because it's
a celebration. And there was a verse that I wrote
as Missus Clause and it was sort of talking about
how what a horse she is, and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
There was theme now and you're a creative process.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
All I want is writ everyone Christmas. She's she gets.
It was literally like you get in a North Pole.
I got a tight hole. It was like the most
like dra basic And again it was like I would
never perform it again because again I don't think the
world needs me to be rapping, but at the time
it's just like I need you to lonely Island culture.
It was like, yeah, we're rapping. That's combedy and so

(01:07:08):
like I just ripped this viciously horrish line as Missus
Claus and I continue to talk about her and my
Christmas content. I'm fascinated by her, but I hope she's
getting fucked. I hope so too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
I mean, here's the thing, like Missus Claws and Sanna
are immortal, so they figured it out. They've got a system,
I'm sure, Like I imagine they're not like new to this,
they've had.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
A wait, that's actually at Culture R fifty. Missus Claus
and Santa aren't new to this. Yeah, and that's the
Christmas spirit they figured out. So you think that it's
a little bit like, you know, maybe like Tom Cruisey.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
It's like, here's a question just amongst your question for
the culture culture. Do you think they are in the
open situation where they it's like out of sight, out
of mind, like when he's gone, they can that's I
preferred situation, okay, Or do you think they're more of
like he goes and does it, she has her moment,
and then they come home and they talk.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
About it there. I hope not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
She can't lie though, because it'll be on the naughty list.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
So literally, he's like, what did you do last night?
She goes, you don't want to know about it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
And now all of a sudden, I really want to
know about it. My god. I would imagine that with them,
it's like there's no one else in the world for them,
so there's no reason to not be brutally honest. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, because I mean, like I guess I'll say this,
I would sleep with Sanna.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Yeah, I wouldn't date Sanna. No, that's too much because
first of all, he's so busy, always on the road,
always on the road, and al so you know you're
not the only girl. Yeah, and you don't catch feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
You can't catch feelings?

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Do you catch feelings? Easy? You do? I don't know.
I mean I can true coffee with Michael Sue Rosen
and you're talking about it months later on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
The podcast, and I did just say I would sleep
with Sanna, So I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
So it's giving horror. Yeah, it's giving easy. Yeah, said
she is the discount doll everyone can purchase discount all
maybe is a better title of app.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Yeah. I can't really romanticize anyone. Yeah, I think truly,
Like I think about when I first started dating, and
I was like, I don't know, like like my best friend,
for example, can be single for like a really long
time and be so happy and like he's truly he's
like such high standards, which I think is good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
I on the other hand, of like I am always
booed up in some form, and so like for me,
I'm like, what do you mean you can't find somebody
that you like, love and enjoy? Like, yeah, I love everyone.
I can enjoy anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
My therapist threw at me the other day. Not the
other day, this is a few months ago. She goes,
I don't know, do you think maybe we're a little
bit of a love addict? And I was like, uh,
what do you mean? She was like, I think you
might be addicted to the idea of and concept of
being in love and being partnered in like that excitement,

(01:09:54):
in that rush, which then did end up playing itself
out in a way. Yeah. So now it's like when
you know you're susceptible to that, it's actually good to
know because like it's a lot of emotional energy and
like you also know it's less about the person and
it is you. You're looking for something, don't necessarily like
think you're finding it everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
You know what It also is too, like I this
isn't like a new thought, Like I definitely know people
on like TikTok are talking about this, but it's like
it's also the thing of I can entertain myself on
a date, no matter what. If somebody's like not giving
me anything, I can like make that fun for myself.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
And that's the part that I think is dangerous though,
because when you're on a date and you're sort of
thinking about it, like I'm going to crush this date. Yeah,
that is different than connecting with a person and all
of a sudden you leave and you're like that went well,
and it's like, no, bitch, you turned it because you're
the moment. I turned it out. You turned it because
you're the moment, but you didn't like the person.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Yeah, congragulations, but engagulations.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
You are the winner of this challenge. Yeah, but there's
no immunity now. Fully.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I fully dated this boy one time for like it
was like two or three dates, and I remember like
being so gushy about him to my friends, but then
like had I had no anecdotes or like stories to tell.
I was just like, but I just feel so good
on the dates. It's like, oh, it's because I'm doing
it tight under ten, like I'm showing up and being like,
you'll never believe it happened to me this way. Yeah,
And I love that because I love me exactly. When

(01:11:15):
you live for your fantasy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
You are your own diva. You are the doll. Yes,
and that's actually really culture number ninety nine. When you
are your own diva, you are the doll. But this
is just a question that I have because I do
this all the time. Because I have this, I don't
know if it's because I have a background in writing
or because I'm a performer or whatever. I often will
show up on dates and now I really try not
to do this, but I used to show up on

(01:11:39):
dates all the time with a line I was going
to say. It was like a joke. I was open
with an icebreaker. Are you giving rehearsed Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
I'm in the same boat as you, where I have
to try that for everything though, where it's like if
I'm going, I mean, this is social anxiety.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Hi, thank yeah, of course, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I medica every situation I go into with like an
opening icebreaker, and I'm trying to break that because then
what happens is if it doesn't land, my life's over.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Yeah, the situation's done.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
If we had started this pod and like we didn't
immediately start kiking right away, it would have been I
would have left anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Well, that's why I was so excited you were coming.
Is because I was like, I don't have to I
feel like I could just show up with Ms Benning
and just you know, it's the gusts. And I've always
felt that about you. I've always felt that about you.
You're my girl.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
We have like the weirdest I feel like upbringing. It
is like social friends, because I feel like I met
you at Betty Who. I saw you here and there,
and then we ended Queen. Yeah, and then we randomly
ended up at a Jessica Simpson book tour.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Ohn, my god, do you remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
And the Pita running on stage moment?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Yeah? Quickly before we get into I don't think so, honey,
we have to relive this moment. So we were we
were at Jessica Simpson's what was she was? She was
being interviewed by Katherine Schwarzenegger. Lots to unpack there. Who
was married to Chris Pratt? Is she not anymore? Who
is married to? I think they are so like Catherine
was interviewing Jessica Simpson about her inspiring new book, Open Book,

(01:12:59):
and you know, like the Qus we are we were like,
we're absolutely going to this and I should have known.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Of course that y'all would be there, and also the
fact that it was like a two hour book Q
and a moment and I don't believe anything was said no,
but I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
There was then the moment where a peda person represented
I almost a representative them, like they certainly were representing Petah.
Let me tell you that. So they're giving a peta
their mind, Peter, their minds. I'm gonna stand up and
give you a peeda something Peter my heart take another
little one. So basically they stand up like and they

(01:13:36):
waited a long time, like this is like an hour
long conversation. They waited what had to be like forty
five minutes, OK. To then get up and scream at
Jessica for using.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Fur and was crazy because I don't know if you remember,
but it was one person who was in like the
middle of the aisle so like they couldn't really remove them.
And then that person, I don't know how it got handled.
And then like popcorn, they just showed up around every
bunch they organized where they were sitting to where I
didn't I thought you were going to stand up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
I know, all of a sudden, can you the gag
that would have been had I stood up and been like, hey,
Jessica was like if I had been like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
A crazy social anxity apply not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
That they're crazy people, they have all the right in
the world to do this, but like in the moment,
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Just like, they're advocating for his great but I was
scared of Jessica SIMPSONID like, why are we fighting Jessica
Simpson at this moment? Yeah, in two thousand and whatever
that was, But.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
I guess that's how you do it, you know what
I mean, Like, you take your space in the moment
to let people do go to Jessica up and you screamed,
you sit there for hours, Yeah, make sure that you
were not sitting near your friends, and then you make
it a moment and honestly, I'll give it to him.
That's what I remember about that night.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
It's my favorite part of the night. Also watching Jessica
fully play it off. So while she was like literally
on stage being like, I just love my book. My
book is the reward that I love, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Well, yeah, and then don't you feel like after they
were all doing that, because it was like four or
five outbursts of that, I then was kind of like, well,
I feel like, now you kind of have to speak
to this. Yeah, and she did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
It because in the audience was like kind of like
and so let's talk about Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Like okay, so clearly this is something that's like an issue,
So like what is the t like does your million
dollar company use these products?

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
And the same way that you have to address to
a celebrity that you love, that you know who they
are ahead of time, I feel like they needed to
address that they rerepew of people in the building because
then when it created with a sense of unease where
I felt like all of us were just like waiting
for the net. We weren't even listening to the stories.
We were like everyone nervous waiting for the next moment
where it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Was yeah, I think we even did that bit like
I think we did like yeah, no of us.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
They also, like the members, we had to go through
a metal detector and put all of our stuff out
to check. So I'm like, where did they put their
signs exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
I mean signs for years in my mind's I now
it now looks like they fully had like a huge
like plaster sign but.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Maybe like paintball guns or like shooting the red like
cur it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Was officially a chaotic atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Yeah, I loved it. I love you, go back today,
I go today.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
And I want it again. Speaking of chaotic atmospheres and
doing it again, this is now the segment of the
podcast that we do every single time. It's called I
Don't Think So, Honey. It's our world famous segment where
we take one minute to rant rave rail and more

(01:16:23):
against something in culture that absolutely deserves the railing. We're
not the only things that deserve railing, cause all of
a sudden, I'm looking for my poll, seriously looking for
a pole these days too, really genuine. It's actually been
several months since I've had like just an honest to god.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Pole penetrative sex. A fucked a long time, okay, and
if not a pole, what.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Six weeks maybe? Well, there was a little moment there
where I was actually experiment because I'm kind of newly
in my bottom era, Okay, So there was like a
moment there where I had like an actual vibe bread
that I was sticking up there, and it was really
thrilling because I've never done that. I've never like, you know,
We're on the street.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Is proste play is in Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
We're on the Street is it's actually a real coaching number.
Nine We're on the Street is proste play is in
Baby And so all of a sudden, there I am
like sort of like really rocking my own ass, like
while I was jacking.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Off, rocking your whole world, the world.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
And I haven't done that in a while. Maybe I will.
But also looking for a pole.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
And it was really funny about talking about it to
be like I think I'm gonna do that when I
get home, because it's like you're gonna go home and
be like, oh, I mean this Bitdy talked about this,
I should masturbate.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Like it's like, oh yeah, I meant to put that
thing in the mail. Oh yeah, I said I was
going to being real quick myself. Anyways, transitioning to the segment,
I don't think, so honey, I'm gonna go first, I'm nervous,
and then Miss Benning is gonna absolutely rock the house. Okay,
so this is my Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey,

(01:17:54):
and my time starts now. I don't think so honey
that you can't go to a concert anymore without wondering
is the star on stage gonna get something fucking thrown
at them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Okay, first Bby Rexa, then it happened to it just
happened to Kelsey Ballerini. It went down with a pink
cause being mother's ashes are being thrown at her being
hands in a bree cheese like everyone. I don't think so, honey,
bring your phone and keep it in your goddamn pocket.
I don't even think so, honey. People filming the concerts,
I'm guilty of this, but just like if we can't
be trusted to have anything honest, like, that's gonna ruin

(01:18:26):
the concert experience for everyone. I have thirty seconds. So
basically my thing is just like people stop. I don't
know if it has anything to do with more than
like you're trying to give them something. If you're trying
to give Kelsey Ballerini a bracelet, I can send it
to the fucking president of the fan club. Okay, don't
be throwing things that hit her in the eye. You
could seriously hurt her. I don't think so, honey. Like

(01:18:46):
even as a viewer of the concerts, now, I'm gonna
sit there. It's like a Jessica Simpson open book. I
don't know what's gonna happen next, and that's one minute. Wow,
I just can't with And it happened to someone else too.
It was bb Rexa got like a fucking huge eye.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Bruce because android it was like someone the guy laughed after.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah, then you know who. It was Ava Max at
the Fonda. Someone rushed her and like she essentially got
like slapped in the face because the fan got so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
It's all of our like bubbling pop girls who are
like they have their hits, but they're not like a
dua where it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
It's our bubbling unders.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Yeah, like no one would dare to do those to
our girls, and that's so evil.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Well, you know what was fucked up was like there
was this idea that like, oh, it's just fans getting
too excited and like doing things giving give us so
much kind and and then I was like no, actually no.
And Kelsey Valerini actually posted some screenshots of people in
her comments being like, that's what you get for going
woke is targeted? I think so I believe. I mean

(01:19:42):
people were commenting saying it and that even if those
instances were not targeted, even if it was a stupid
fan like being like, let me throw this bracelet on
stage because I want her to have it. It gives
people the idea, yea to throw something.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
I'm nervous for Aaron Morris and like they're going after
the country girls and she is the kissed of them all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
I mean, listen, it's it's just like getting scarier and scarier,
especially when you see it happened to four of the girls.
That is a lot like that's crazy, and then the
mother's ashes of it all.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
It's like Dave and I remember day days after the
bb rex A throwing thing was the clip of when
someone came out in front of her to their mom.
And what's crazy about that clip is like he says like,
I'm going to do this in front of you, and
she literally goes, what are you going to do in
front of me?

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Fear, Yeah, she's scared now.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Yeah. Because also it's like me too. That could have
been anything.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
If a gay person ever says I'm going to do
this in front of you, I'm running, I'm out of here,
I'm taking off my leg something I've been fooled before.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
I'm gonna do this in front of you could mean
a lot of things. Yeah, Also, it's just like, as
someone who I guarantee there's people out there that want
to throw things at me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
It makes me nerv I would throw fun things at you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Listen, throw a Roso Donald coushe ball at me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Anytime I was right there in your brain, you were
really ready to say that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
I thought of what's soft and the first thing that
jumped out in my fucking little gay brain was Roseod.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
We got a lot of weird day, just like on
the tip of your tongue, ready to go.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
I think that's what makes me a dynamic podcast host. Okay,
well listen, okay, if you think that's true. And I
really do hope that everyone still remained listening to this podcast,
because it's been a thrilling one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Dollie's still listening, I know that much. I think Dolly
he almost clicked out when we started to almost read
her for Dollywood, but we actually.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Think they're so funny. I love my gay fans. And
that was my Dolly parton which is, as you just
evidenced by my impression, will not be my snatch game.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
We'll still on the other side of snatch game. Not
to compliment you too much for that. Wait, actually I
have to pause for one second. Was the lip sync
your idea or did that get suggested to y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
No, so what happens is, oh, you mean the lips
think that we did during this time? Yes. No, they
were like, and we think it will be funny if
you guys did the red you wrote you lip sync
the entire Roxy Andrews verse. So right, we did the
entire Roxy Andrews verse and the chorus, and they actually
only showed the chorus, which to me was like sort
of the antithis of why I wanted to do it,

(01:22:04):
because I was like, what's so funny is that we're
doing the verse? And I was so happy that any
of that made in there at all. But we actually
gave and had choreo for the entire Roxy Andrews verse
and that's what was left on the cutting rod. How
long did that? It was their idea?

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
How long did they give you to prep this?

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
We did it once? Wow, we got it in one take.
But they told her girls, because you know they shop infessional. Yes,
but they gave us all day and I'm like dying,
Like truly, my stomach is die ying. And then we
went out there and we did turn it. But yeah,
that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Sort of thing I feel right now doing I don't
think so, honey, like I'm genuinely shaking. I'm scared.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Don't be scared, because you're made for this, and I
made I made for this in a macro sense, and
made from this in a micro sense. You were made
for this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
I do have tiger Bomb in my bag, so if
I start panicking and I grab it, just not ites
because I've lated my whole life for this moment.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Anyway, this is miss manis. I don't think so, honey.
Your time starts now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
I don't think so honey. Social media changing and a
Now I understand we've complained for years about the chronological changes,
the ad changes. I don't give a fuck. Show me
the ads. Let me see Porsche's wardrobe from the White Lotus. Come,
I don't care. What I don't like is that we're
changing limits. We're adding word counts. Elon musk you siss sissy,

(01:23:17):
and I am saying that it's a slur in your case.
I cannot handle it. I miss the days when every
social media platform had its own designated thing. I'm tired
of doing twinner on Instagram. I am tired of doing
YouTube clips TikTok's rails. I'm sick of it. I'm a
child of the Internet and I have grown up. Yes,
I am tired. And you can also.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Follow me on Instagram and Twitter and TikTok. Fifteen seconds
has become a plug miss Bette and on TikTok am
i hate Miss Bennet because somebody took Miss Betty and
I'm sail that too. Five seconds. I got at that's
one minute. Oh my god. See the thing is I

(01:23:57):
love when you started an eighth and it goes to
a fifteen and that's levels.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
And the best part about this is I am overheating
and I'm in the middle of doing like vocal feminization,
and that undid everything that I've worked on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
I'm really sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
That's okay, listen, but the thing is over. We don't
have to take care of towards people hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Out someone brought up online exactly. It's like back to them,
We're back in the show.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
I don't think Sony more than two genders like me
to have that take.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
On the binary is alive. Suddenly, Oh my god. No.
Someone said the other day they were like, can you
imagine the election like with all these fucking rules in place,
like can you imagine like when like we actually need
to be able to share? Because it's like, first of all,
can I just say, how about this as an idea
for a social media website, Why don't you put someone
in charge who has even one iota of what it

(01:24:45):
means to have any social grace at all? This is
very clearly someone yeah, deeply without any social skills at all.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Give brettman Rock ownership of Twitter, period. And that's what
I've always said.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
You've always been saying that you can be kidding. I
didn't know about to say it on the pod, but
I'm here to say it now. I mean this, we'd
be in better hands. It's just like this is so
poorly thought out, and the way that he kept being like,
actually it's eight thousand that you can see, Actually it's ten.
It's like, crazy, bitch, like ask someone smarter than you,
and like I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
They want people to pay for the verification, but like, oh,
we're not paying for the verification.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
How long do you think it has I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
I feel here's the thing. Twitter used to always be
my favorite, and I remember it was always on the
brink of like going away, and I feel like now
more than ever, it feels like it is truly minutes
away from it, which breaks my heart because I love
Twitter and I miss good old Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
You know, It's like when Twitter was a fun place,
I really did like it. Then Twitter became an un
fun place for all the you know reasons, which is
just like, you know, you can't go on there without
like someone being negative immediately. Everything nothing translates, like you know,
that's almost like why I don't have the personal Twitter anymore.
I just use the lost coach Twitter. I feel like
I get my like opinions and things across, like on

(01:25:56):
this podcast, and you can literally hear a human voice
like hint at a joke or like, you know, do
say whatever the fuck or like give some gray area
that's not limited to characters. But it's like Twitter could
be such a fun, little stupid place, and it's so
toxic and so dark, and now with these limitations, it's
actually gonna make it even harder to communicate, yeah, because

(01:26:19):
it's just gonna take context away, it's gonna take expanse away.
It's gonna like literally limit the amount of intake we
can have, which should be the antithesis of something like
a social media website where like everyone can get their
voice across. And that's why it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
It used to be the first thing that I checked
in the morning. I would literally go to Twitter and
be like, Okay, what's happening, what's new, what's right going
on in the world. And now I'm like, you can't
trust it for that. And also, and this is where
I start to empathize with like a little bit of
the Boomer idea of like why don't things have to change?
But yeah, truly, like I feel like the golden era
of social media was when we were able to live
tweet things. Yeah, but that's like been a dead concept

(01:26:56):
for so long. Yeah, because that's not how things appear
in the algorithm. Yeah, it's like I could tweet it
be completely out of order. And then I also feel
like it was so fun because you used to be
able to like access the famous people that you liked,
or if you're watching a reality TV show that you
could tweet Tyra Banks and she would respond. And now
it's like that's not happening. So then it's like, what
is this for now?

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
The way that I've moved over to Instagram like exclusively
has been pretty wild because there's also the flaws of Instagram,
you know what I mean. There's the thing of like, oh,
it's like constantly like a visual parade of like the
perfected versions of everyone, like no one's actually being real
like it. It's also not as fun as it used
to be anymore. And then there comes this thing of
like when you do get verified in a republic figure,

(01:27:35):
there's like all these other things that go into that,
and like et cetera, blah blah blah. You feel like
heady about it. But at least I feel like if
I want to find what someone is doing or saying,
I know how to do it right. Where it's like
Twitter just feels like a jumbled mess. It has the
same like people that you don't even follow your snea,
which is what I hate.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
It has the same interface ideas like scruff have you
ever heard.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
I'm unfortunately like I've never did my tone to scruff.
I'm kind of only exclusively been a grinder girling.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
I've downloaded both before to try them both, and I
just tried them both, like I just trying, I.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Try it all. I just tried to trysexual. Yeah, I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Es, oh my god, when you're sucking is ball, I know.
And the thing about Scruff that always blew my mind,
because that's what we're talking about now, is it has
like really I think a better selection of men in
your singles in your area, but the interface is absolutely batshit.

(01:28:38):
And that's how Twitter is becoming. Twitter is the Scruff
to Instagram's grinder. And if there were one SoundBite that
I hope you get from this, I hope it's well, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Going to be People magazine, that's going to be the poll. Hello.
Like last week we did that episode with Kelly and
what the media chose to pull was Kelly Clarkson opens
up about antidepressant use. Love that, and for you, it's
going to be that I Scruff is the Instagram to
grinder Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
I'm so brave for coming out and saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
You've been brave this whole time. And I want to
just really commend you, and I want to say I
appreciate you and adore you for showing up in your
brave truth on lost Culturista to speak real truths to
power about the fucking pop culture landscape, about app landscape.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
I do love that I've come on here and said
nothing about anything to do with transitioning, but said everything
about being a Top Model fan.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Being on the app, that's last coach, baby, that is listen,
We're here to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
All of those things point to transitioning. I'm here to
tell you right now that if you watch Top Model
as a kid and want to be one of the girls,
your day is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Well, just to touch on that, I was so proud
of you about the Time magazine thing and you that
was beautiful and we're talking about you know, representation and
like throwing it all the way back to you know,
the glee of it all, and I would say, like,
what a beautiful and what a lovely evolving world we
are in that the youth and the kids can watch

(01:30:00):
Glamorous and see you. You're such a star. I'm so
proud of you, and I'm so proud to know you.
I'm so proud to be a part of the project
that has you as the star of it. Glamorous is
streaming now on Netflix. You can watch all the episodes.
Listen to the ep Swelter because we didn't get into it.
But our girl was also a recording artist, and I'm
also gagged that you wrote and produce this yourself. Yeah,

(01:30:21):
that's amazing, Thank you so much, And I'm just like
so blown away by you and you have to come back.
But when Bowen is back, I want us all three
to raw Rob because like you're.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
And I'm building this story that me and Bowe have
beef and that's why he's not here today exactly. I
can't wait to like further develop that well.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
As a result of the beef, Bowe needed to take
a extended hiatus from the.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Podcast, and I want to say that I'm also just
so busy flying, shooting Wicked and shooting SNL and coming
to LA to do my podcast. Like I totally sympathize,
and it's hard when you're this books like me and Bone.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Blessings to all and miss Benny's in the moment, And
we do end every episode with a song was flying
first Class, up in sky, drinking sapin living life in
the first line. I don't know what vocal choice this is,
but I won't change. Bob Glamour is Ooh the flowersy

(01:31:16):
Flower said, if you want to hear that song listening
to Fergie's album The Duchess or go on the roller coaster, Hollywood, Ripride,
Rocket and Universal Studios Florida, where you're allowed to choose
a song as you write on the roller coaster, and
that is one of the options. Hell yeah, hell yeah.
Bye

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