“Gay Guys With Voices” (w/ Jake Shane)

This episode? Tea. It’s an event in gay guy podcasting history as Jake Shane visits Las Culturistas! Matt, Bow and Jake speak mostly about the pop girls but also touch on being a food snob, Iron man races and marathon performance, JADE and Little Mix lore and how gay guys actually love Tame Impala. Also, Gaga’s Fame Monster HBO special as Jake’s formative culture, how Kim K headlining a legal drama is emblematic of the change in our culture, knowing when to leave a restaurant, and some real talk about how frustrating it is when the fart don’t come out. All this, and the pandemic is FINALLY processed. Listen to Therapuss. You probably already do. Xoxo we love our little brother/dorter Jake.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, hey, hey, or should I say ho ho ho?
It's me Matt Rogers And in the words of another
Christmas icon, it's time. I'm back with my new nationwide tour,
Matt Rogers Christmas in December. Yes, it's time to remember
when Christmas is. I'm hitting the road all of December
with Henrykoperski and the whole band performing my album Have

(00:24):
You Heard Of Christmas, along with a bunch of other
little surprises. So if you're in La San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Philadelphia,
d C. New York City, Boston, Toronto, Chicago, or yes, Orlando, Florida,
I want to see your gorgeous ass. Go to Matt
rogersofficial dot com or head to my Instagram at Matt
Rogers though and hit the link in my bio. Until then,

(00:46):
stream the album, get your look together and get ready
to deck the damn halls at a venue near you
Christmas in December. You in my heart XO XO, Santa Boy,
Look Marire, Oh, I see you my own And look
over there is that culture. Yes, wow, lost culture ding

(01:08):
Dong lost Cultesa is calling. It's already hot in the studio,
and not just because we're wearing fuzzy shirts. Unplanned, right, unplanned.
It's these giant panel lights. Oh my god. I hope
we look stunning under them. Hope it was worse than guys,
I hope the hope the rig was the jig. No, not,
it's early, you know what. Not only is it early?

(01:31):
Last night was one of the great nights. And we
can't really get into it because it won't come out
until November sixth. Birthday. It's wow, what that is your birthday?
That's going to be a huge day for you.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Well, it's that's it's a it's a bad day overall
for the world because last year it was the day
after the election.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Of course, that's why that date sounded familiar. That's why
that day sounded familiar. You you know history a little wait, okay,
so anyway, that that was wicked. One wonderful night was
shot last night last night at the Dolby. It was
so fantastic.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
I've never seen anything like it, truly, I'm sorry, not
since the Culture Awards was there alive to tape special.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Quite that gagged show that gagged the girls. Well, I'll
say this that today's going to gag the girls because
in many ways and many ways on different levels. It's
a like event in gay guy podcast history.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's an event in family history, like I think this is.
I know you've long claimed that our guest is your daughter.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I did. I adopted him pretty immediately. But I've heard
of his answer. Now we're doing a thing where we
are learning about the guest's answers to the question beforehand, beforehand,
so we can get this prepare for the podcast. Unbelievable
as soon as I heard. And if you if you
want to change it, no problem. But if it is
what I think it is, it is. I said, this

(02:51):
is my order as well, or maybe we have our
first child together. Have you thought about that? Science is amazing? Well,
it's first of all, if you didn't think gay guys
could get each other pregnant, honey, honey, check myanus, Honey,
check his ais. Stop taking that tile and all fucking
you up, Honey, I don't think so, honey, Tilan all

(03:16):
that's trump. I don't think so, honey. Advance. Well, he
said he's had a bad week. He's coming on the
show next week. It's gonna be amazing.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Recording this, And just in case there's like ten more
horrific fire hoses of human suffering. Yeah, by the time
this comes out, we're recording this the week of the
Taile and All Autism announcement.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, he said, He said in advance. I want you
to know I don't think so honey as tilan all
My culture that they may say culture was for me
is Benito Mussolini, and I'm ready to go.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
He's got a stylist picked out for the event. It's
gonna wear an even longer red tie.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, this, this guest is really special to us. I
I've never seen a crowd be in the palm of
someone in his hand like they were at Radio City
for his tour.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
He feeds the children, as it were. He's got so
many children. He the pussies, the pussies, and that was
such a fun night. That was an amazing name. I went,
have you yet been on therapists?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I've not yet been on therapists. I was supposed to
make it happen earlier. We're making it happen.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
He's one of the busiest girls in America, I say
about both of them. We are so excited. This is
beyond to welcome the host of therapists and cultural icon.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
The one and only we are so happierre here. This
is the last day of my life. Well, this is
I've literally been waiting for this since the day I
was born. Sorry, other days, I know, suck, they suck.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Wait. That was a very fun time.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
And I still remember the story you told you read
letters from the audience and there was one girl who
was fucking the guy and then her roommate fucked him
and then all the roommate had to say was tea.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, I remember that too. That one stuck with me
because I really fucked with the roommate after that.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (05:04):
I just like was like when you behave and you
just kind of own it like that and you're just
like sorry, yeah, Like it's.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Kind of everything. Sorry though T is just kind of
like get a load of this, like you know what
I mean, that's kind of rual. Culture Number eight is
kind of like this.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Wait, you know what I was thinking about the other
day when the rule of culture when when a woman
does something serious, Yeah, there was something I saw something
and I was like, oh, and that's it made me
think of the culture.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
When a woman does something serious, something a does something
good by accident. It's it's like actually biblical. It's kind
of everything. It is everything.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's that's the Celestium original for the Culture Awards Rules
of Culture number one. I mean, yeah, we're still thinking
about that, right, Like what do we like? Isn't it
so powerful that we're naming that? Yes, that is culture.
That is culture.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
And by the way, I would just like to say
that the Culture Awards were the best night in my life.
You were incredibly if I can tell you, I was
there with Louise and we kept looking at each other
like this.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
By the way, Louise is in the building in the Yeah,
in a part again it's fall. It's such a fun
part of any show to have the characters the like
orbital characters. And I feel like you have that too.
I do you sort of have a Howard Stern vibe?
You know, I've never seen Howard Stern. That's okay, I
think you would like him. Okay, I think so too.

(06:28):
He's like a legend.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
They say, right, yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Sort of a legend. They say, right, would we even
be in front of Mike's if he hadn't first been
in front of his mic? I'm just saying, did he
create sort of speaking in front of a microphone.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, right, in a way I know that much about him.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, well, there's a few things to know about Howard Stern.
Incredibly filthy and candid in front of a microphone, right,
and the hair, of course, he's got like sort of iconic. Look,
what are you hoping for your birth day?

Speaker 4 (07:00):
For my birthday, I think I want to do a
birthday dinner if you guys are in town at my
favorite Thai restaurant in the world.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Anna Jack Tie, Anna Jack Tie? And where is it?

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Okay, it is in Sherman Oaks. I totally might have
just lied, but I think it's in Sherman Oaks. Yeah,
Obama ate there the other week.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
He did? He did? Did you get any intel and
what he ordered? You know what? No? And I'm gonna ask.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
And it is the greatest high food I've ever had
in my entire life. And I grew up in New
York around really really great Thai food. Yes, and it
is genuinely the best high food I've ever had in
my entire life.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
La Tai food is next level. It is La Tai
food will make you go. I'm sweating in this plastic
covered dining chair. Uh huh in a strip mall.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
But I'm in heaven. But this it's like.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Low key Michelin or like he like one he wanted
James Beard, wanted James Beard. And so it's like they
have like, uh, I think it's Chinese sausage fried rice,
oh so amazing. They have these like little tuna crudo
pastry cups. Then they have the classics pad thaie yeah,
pad grapal. But then they have like a few like

(08:13):
bougie things, like they have like a like a few
different krudos and they have a big fried chicken dish.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
So I think that's all I hope is that I have.
I can rent out the private room there, do a
birthday there, and I don't want to go out.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
I just want to do that. You just want to
do that? Yeah. I have to say, when you have
a restaurant like that, that's like a destination, that is
all you need. And they just closed mine down in
La What was yours, Genghis Cohen, that was your destination
and you disrespected me?

Speaker 4 (08:44):
That was your destination. Restaurant food kind of like a
food snub own it. I am, I love it, I am.
I just like you need a James Beard Award.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Somewhat. Wait that name.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
As soon as you said he had a James Beard,
they have a James Beard. The name James Beard is
so powerful. Imagine if the award was called Daniel Smith Pauline,
it would mean nothing, but James Beard.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
I don't even know. I don't know about that awards ceremony.
I don't even know what it's awarded. I think it's
for dessert. I bet it's boring as fuck. Oh no,
I know, cut that out. No, No, it's okay, it's okay.
I bet it's actually really fun. Well, you know, I
think the only reason I know that James Beard is
legit is because everyone was like, this restaurant has been
around forever, but when the chef wanted James Beard award,
that's when it was hard to get in.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
So I was like, oh, it must mean something. Yeah,
it definitely does. I've heard of it, and can we
just can we confirm? Is it? Is it a dessert thing?
Does anyone in the community.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
No, No, it's not, it's not because they're not quite
chef for chef's chef.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Oh you do for what restaurant? Do you know of
that restaurant?

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Of course not, but I will go to I'm going
to Chicago for the marathon.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Oh you are? Yes? Are you? Will you be performing? No?
I no, next year perform performing in the marathon.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
My best friend is performing, yeah, and I'm really excited
to see her perform.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I think that the marathon is a performance. Do you
know what I realized the other day the Iron Man
things discussing Wait, was it on your show that you
talked to Dylan Efron about the Iron Man? It is
a full marathon, one hundred mile bike and how much
long swim like miles?

Speaker 4 (10:24):
And you know how people pee their pants during marathon?
They ship the people shit themselves on iron O. Hey,
you love Dylan Ephron? You think he's sexy.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Shit some story in The Iron Man that period and
I'm turned on even more.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh your fecal vibe a woman? Should we we can
really make.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I think we can really push the boundary with this
and like be the first like marathon we can be
on the marathon circuit just as entertainment.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
A hundred wait, one hundred ten percent. Look out for
me when I have Plastic Box by Jade on a
loop just walking the marathons. Okay, is that album good?
It is the album the Are you serious?

Speaker 4 (11:04):
I haven't given it a listen yet, and I really
liked Angel of My Dreams. You're gonna love it press play, Okay,
but what do what is good on the album?

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Like the entire fucking thing. Girl, I don't think there's
been a better run of songs like like oh through Self,
self Saboteur, so self sabbatory, lip service, lip service, into Headache,
into glitch. Okay, and I'm gonna like this and then
and then break my heart and then I and then
I'm natural.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Disaster, which is a bachelor disaster about miss thing about you,
about Jesse, Natural disasters about natural disasters about Jesse. It's
like Nelson, You're chaotic, You're You're worse than the fucking devil.
She like, she really goes there on Jesse.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
They not get along. Can I say struggle? We must
say she has struggled in the in defense of Jesse Nelson,
because I have to say I am a little mix.
From the very beginning, I was one of the only
gay guys in America regularly true on YouTube watching uk
X five. I've known them since they auditioned as solo
artists and then were put in a group called Rhythmix.

(12:05):
They had to change their name when they made the
live rounds to Little Mix because there was like a copyright.
They became Little Mix. They won the Hearts of the
UK and the Little Gay Boys in America streaming on YouTube,
and then Black Magic came out and then that's when
I saw they won the UK X Factor and it
was no girl group had one, and like or no

(12:27):
group had one really and then they became huge and
they never happened in America and cut two years later.
They become massive internationally, so no one really understood that
they were like Destiny's Child everywhere fucking else. Okay, and
Jesse had like a lot of troubles because the media
was always picking on her about her weight, like really

(12:48):
really relentlessly, and she struggled a lot, and it's like
not the first time I think we've seen like it happened,
where like you're in a group of people and then
what they choose one person that stands out in a
certain way and then they just totally like have a
psychological sort of breakdown. She ended up leaving the group,

(13:09):
and I think it was pretty sudden. They were like
on an album like four they had just released that
album Confetti I Believe, and that was such a good album.
And then she left, like really abruptly. I think they
were shooting the music video for Sweet Melody, which is
one of my favorite How's that go again? In a

(13:29):
whole of the life, there was this boy that I knew.
He made me feel like it well they were young
and sis anyway he start is like that. It was
like that, a little like that.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I sort of went really in its doing meladies.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
He made me maybe believe it was real love. On
and on. He used to.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Say, wait, it's sun Jake. And you know what I
took from that. I've never heard that song, right, you've
heard Confetti but from the sky jup.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Like Confetti, Ye happy.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
I've heard like a good amount of Little Mix. I
used to watch like they would. They're very good at
performing live. Yeah, they're amazing, Like Perry is excellent live,
Yeah excellent. So is Jade, and so is who am
I I'm forgetting a Leanne And then there's a Jesse Jesse.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yes, So just listen to the Jade album. Oh Jake,
You're gonna love it and text us Okay, I will.
There has always been something about Jade like, but it
sort of was Camila Cabo vibes where it was like,
that's a group, but that's clearly like the one really well,
Camila Cabo is the one out of I'm yes she is,
and I'm sorry. I'm sorry c x x O. I

(14:52):
liked it. We will be remembered very well in his
first of.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
All, when that came out, I said, why is no
one else?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Ca?

Speaker 1 (15:00):
It is so good? You guys, excuse me? What's that
song that I kept singing, I'm having.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
A gloom baby paying like the I love Boat Boat
is amazing.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Pull up the Camille pull x it's actually a Rottal
culture number ten. Pull up c x X.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
No, there's a song that there's a song that Matt
was was just non stop.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
I remember you posting boat. I mean I.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Remember Matt got a little horny and posted boat.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
It was Dade County dreaming.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I'm telling you, and can I say we we literally
like went and this is the problem. This, this is
what happened with that album. The first single was called
I Love It and sounded like a Charli XCX song,
And so I think everyone was like that she's ripping
her off, and I think like that was the wrong
first single, because of course people were going to say that.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
But let's not take away from the fact that I
love It is actually an excellent song and the visuals
behind it were so everything at the time when she
did the little like remember she did the Little Dance
and the Playboy Carti's feature was actually really good.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I think, But I think the Drake feature also kind
of fucked. That didn't make sense to me. It was
a tough time for for that to be coincided. But
the deluxe is even better.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
City Edition. Baby what is it? It's baby Pink, Baby Pink.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's quietly standing, Camilla. I was, I was, I were
it was baby Pink. Come show me con friends, kiss,
god Speed?

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Can friends?

Speaker 1 (16:41):
God Speed? Oh?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Have you heard god Speed's the greatest.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
I wasn't quietly standing, Camille. I was publicly standing. God's
is like the greatest.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I mean, like, you know what deluxe is good when
you're like that should have been on the album and
like that makes a good deluxe if you can't say
that about a deluxe and the deluxe is ship and
it should have been shouldn't have been related.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Period. Wait, do you know what's not getting a Deluxe,
and we now know it's not because she said, and
you know the fact this is this is what's really
not great today. This episode is gonna come out after
Life of a show Girl. How can we respond to
this is a hardcorese wifty I know. I mean like
I used to like what I was bored? Like, should

(17:21):
we write an essay?

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah on Taylor? Just yeah, flow they did. I'll send
you it's I had wrote one on the Archer.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I'm in the Archer. I was on acid one time
in Fire Island. I just looked at the ocean and
listened to The Archer for six hours. Holy fuck, that
sounds h amazing. This is like years ago.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
So but like, if you guys want to call me
in and you like need my thoughts on the album,
like I'm happy to get to.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Do you write about the way she hits the tee
on combat in this essay?

Speaker 4 (17:55):
No, what I do write about is how in this
essay I will What I do write about is how
like she It's like, if I remembered the essay correctly, it's
like she's at this point in her career where it's
like she's like, at this point she thought Lover was
gonna be her peak, right, Like if you watch Miss Americana,

(18:15):
like she says, like lover is my last chance that
like Global Superstar up. Obviously we know now cults gonna
throw me away after I hit thirty whatever, But so
you have this like really vulnerable moment of reflection. Yeah,
and like on The Archer, she's like reflecting on her
entire career and everything.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
She's been through.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
All My Enemy started up from No, I mean, I'm
gonna throw up, Like I'm gonna throw up, and I
listen to that song that I thought about every friend
of mine that became like an enemy, and like I
was like all the times that I thought I was
the villain or I thought I was the hero, and
like cause she says, like I've quite literally been the
Archer and been the prey, like I've been the bad guy,
I've been the good guy. I can't ever find someone

(18:53):
to stay. Who could say and the song obviously ends
with you could say it is seriously biblical. It's the
best song she's ever released.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
She speaking to the fans there, or was she speaking
to Joe at the time. You can't right now like
you actually have to? Did he can't?

Speaker 3 (19:08):
No?

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Like she Louise, she is speaking to you can look
at it multiple ways, and that's the beauty of every
good Taylor Swift song. Mastermind is a great other example, Mastermind.
You're either talking about her lover at the time, or
she is speaking about the fans. Yeah, she's like, I've
got you your mind and and I think the beauty
of it is it can always go both ways, and

(19:28):
she knows it can go both ways.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
So this is the part where, because you said mastermind,
this is the natural part of any conversation where we
pivot to Midnights.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Now.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Underrated is something that is apt but also feels silly
because it one album of the year. But it is
apt because there are people out here. We have a
close friend who would never publicly say this. I will
never do this to him, but he refers to midnights
as fut nights. No, and I could ruin someone's life.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Well, let me tell you a few things about Midnight's
number one of one album of the year, number two. It
was the first She was the first time any female artist,
or maybe any artist ever has taken the entire top
ten of the Billboard Hot one hundred ever, and she
would do it again and she would do it.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
She will, she's planning on it. Yeah, listen, what.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Do you make of these reports? And again this is
coming out after the album, this.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Episode bombshell reports.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
But these bombs show reports allege that it is wall
to wall coverage, that is, that is the media strategy
with with Life of a Showgirl. It will rival, if
not exceed, the cultural saturation of Thriller by Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I wasn't alive for that. So that's why I'm.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Okay, Well, I'm just saying, like, you know, like it's like,
you know, what for me is like what I think
of when I think of Life of the Life of
the Show Girl. I think about very bit like the
emancipation of Mimi, like you know, like so much. No,
You're welcome our dorder, Like, well, yeah, I love I
love me, me, and I I think about the emancipation

(21:06):
of me. And that album was just everywhere, what what
is it? Shake it off? We belong together. It's like that.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Let me say, the high points of that album are
like not even the single circles, circles, running around in circles.
Do you think her new album is gonna be good?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (21:25):
You know, actually A friend reached out rich as weak
was reviewing it, I guess for Pitchport, and he said,
have you have you heard it yet? And I was like, no,
I haven't because this it hasn't come out yet. As
we're recording this. He said, it's giving more of like
a like a silk sonic vibe, like sort of like
and then it's like a lot of it is like
an R and B groove. And apparently the gospel song

(21:46):
is also disco because Mariah will always at least one
track on the album is about our great creator, right, yeah, she?

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Do you know what song I randomly really love by her?
Do you have you ever heard the Art of Letting Go?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Of course, of course I I love that song. So
underrated by her, so underrated. I used to be like
really into her, and actually recently I've been listening to
the hits, the hits, but also Art of Letting Go.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Oh No, that's not elusive Chanto's is it? That is?
That is underrated album? Overall? Yeah, all the albums that
came after emancipation of Mimi are all underrated. I would
say it's the best album title. First of all. The
song Obsessed is her number one song on Spotify and
people just like, forget what a huge bop that is?

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Well, I remember seeing it every single morning on VH one.
Every morning, Yep, every morning they showed.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
That, Okay, this is This is a perfect segue into
the question I think, which is, Jake Shane, what is
the culture that made you say culture is for me?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, so is it true? You know my answer already.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
It is the Lady Gaga Fame Monster HBO special from
either twenty ten or two thousand and eleven.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
My sister has grown emotional. Yes, here we go. All right,
New York. Are you all standing up? Yeah? And you
don't know if you've heard, but I've got a pretty
big dick. Yes, get your dicks out, because I know
they've got a lot of big cock here in New

(23:20):
York City. Welcome to the Monster Ball. Now, dance you motherfuckers.
Love Game, Love Game, Love Marilyn Manson remix of Love Game.
That moment did it for me. I was going, I'm
going through the end with her.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
I just remember so desperately desperately wanting to see the show,
and my mom would not.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I was ten.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
My mom would not let me see the show, probably
because of all the big dick talk, the.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Big day talk, I mean her performance during Teeth like
all of that was just like my mom was like,
you cannot go, and I was the Gaga was like
really my first love. Yeah, so like you know, like
I remember calling up like asking them to play Just
Dance on the radio, because saying happen I radio, Yes,
I have an iPod, yeah one hundred and I would
say please play Just Dance because I would that's the only.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Way we hear play Just dann, the only way would be.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Able to hear this fucking song. I remember the first
time I ever saw a poker Face. I remember the
first time I saw Bad Romance and I remember being like,
she is going on tour. I need to see this
motherfucking tour. And my mom was like you you can't
see it. And then I went to my best friend
at the Times Basement and I said, this HBO special
is coming out. We have to we have to see it.

(24:30):
I remember watching it being like it's clicking. I see
why my mom wouldn't let me. I would be uncomfortable
seeing this with my mom.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah well not with mom, but not with mom. But
thank God for the fucking special. Thank God for HBO.
She goes down to it.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Do you remember she like walks to a bodega and
her heels and she like orders and she's like she
and she's like reminiscent, and then she's in her dressing
room and she starts crying.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
We're at the garden.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah, she's like everyone that told me no, Like I'm
just thinking about I'm like, I mean, this is it.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Lady Gaga, Lady fucking Goga. I saw her for the
first time at the may What did you think? What
I said?

Speaker 4 (25:01):
This is I was with Louise and we just kept
looking at each other saying it's art, Like this is
like my full body chills thinking about it. It was truly
one of the best nights of my life, like that
she is an artist, like Louise crying. I was the
first of all, I was very scared because the crowd
is a lot of gay men. I was scared that
the crowd was either not going to be very kind. No,

(25:22):
little bobsters are sod No.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
No. First of all, it's the best night of anyone's
life when we went to go see her at Coachella.
So Bowen is friendly with her, obviously from doing us
an elet I think. So we got to see her afterwards,
and all all I could think to say to her
was like, you just gave everyone the best night of
their life. Yeah, Like that's like because I can see

(25:45):
also and have a sense that she's incredibly incredibly hard
on herself. That's a really high bar. It's mind blowing
that someone can keep tushing it. And I was just
like it was the best nne of everyone's life. Like
part of me, like a human in me, wants to
be like you could take a break, you know what

(26:06):
I mean, Like like you did it.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
You have every single time out been the artist of
our time, right number one.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
But you know what I think, And I think this
is so like and this is like my favorite because
I feel like the life of a pop girl it's
always like somewhat always kind of follows like a similar trajectory,
and it's always their best album is always when they
think culture has given up on them, and then they
like go back to their like who they are because
they don't think anyone's listening. And you think it's Mayhem,

(26:35):
I think it's Mayhem. And I think that was Taylor's
West Folklore. I think that was Maria's emancipation of me me,
I think, like you know that their comeback album is
always when they are like, well, culture has had it
with me. I'm just gonna make this for me and
my fans, and it ends up being then culture is like, wait,
we want you back, right.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
But Gaga, to me has these undeniable benchmarks, including the
Monster Ball right and the po thing, which again I
couldn't afford tickets. I was like seventeen in the city,
couldn't fucking afford anything, any experience, and like think, I
like went on LimeWire or whatever, downloaded it, watched it.
But then the other benchmarks, to me, I will always

(27:14):
cherish this time in my life.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Star Is Born. Oh, it's in my top three favorite.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
You remember, well, that whole era kind of started. Remember
like she was like her comeback was considered that performance.
She gave it the Grammys and she was on the piano,
but it wasn't the Stars Born. It was like she
was doing a tribute to someone and that was teeing
up a star yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Because because that was post it was Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
So then she does that, then she does Till It Happened. No,
then she does Joanne. Then it's till it happens to you,
Diane Warren. Then it's as She's record after Joanne, She's recording,
Star is Born, then the Cure, the Cure then than
Ali Maine and Ali just just what a It was
just pop culture was just fun in that time. That

(28:03):
was Ari, Thank You Next, Yes Stars for by the way,
last night at the at the special taping, during the
stopdown they were playing, they started playing thank You Next,
and the room whole crowd just like starts vibing, and
Ari from the back just like peeked her head out and.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Was like, what are you guys doing?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
And it was just like we were like, God, that's like,
that's Ariana fucking Grande, Right, Can we just talk about it?

Speaker 4 (28:28):
I mean, I I'm happy to like where do you
want to start? Like, well, Eternal Sunshine was your album
of the year, Eternal Sunchime was my album of the year. Yes,
I that album meant so much to me. If I
listened to an album like there, I I'm listening to
it after a night out. It's always gonna be my
album like that. If it comes out and I go

(28:48):
home and I listen to it, I will never forget
where I was when I heard we Can't be Friends
for the first time. I don't care that it's the
most popular song on the album for a reason.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Also the deluxe prime example of why wasn't this on
the album, which which.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Was I love Warm Too? I actually thought it was
called worm at first. Yeah, I thought it was called worm.
When I looked at it, I was like, she's a
song called worm? Really? What happened was I thought the
O was an a right or rather still turned around. No.
But the thing I love too about the track listing

(29:20):
on it is that we can't be Friends goes into
I wish I hated you, which is I think like
outside if we can't be friends is my favorite? Tell
me more. I think I just identified with it.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, yeah, And I think that people have that with
that song.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
It's like, I don't know, it's an intangible thing that
she is.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
She somehow captured this feeling of like like this thing
that you we feel like maybe too afraid to say,
which was I wish I hated you, but I don't.
I love you still like I should hate you, and
that is a very tense feeling. We can't be friends.
Perfect example of the tailor thing. It can be seen
in multiple ways.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right, I wish I hated it. I think it is
toward the fans, that's my perspective.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, oh, you think that is such an interesting take
because the paper's and the pens.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
I know that you made me, but I'm still like,
I don't like how you paint, don't like how you
pay me.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
But I'm still here, Harry hanging.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Like sorry, I cannot wait to listen to the song like,
I'm like that that song. Like I texted once a
week to my best friend Julian I say, I'm still
at the restaurant.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
They've asked me to get up. I won't leave. No,
what's the restaurant. It's like, you've never heard this phrase?
Yeah I have, but I want you to restaurant because
everyone wants to go home. The waiters want to go
so I was a waiter, so this hurts. No, you
know where this phrase comes from. I've heard.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
I don't know where it comes so that's why I
need you to men.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
It is from a Taylor Swift song called Right Where
You Left Me, Yes, and she talks about She's like,
I'm still at the restaurant, Like I like, I'm this
woman that's been scorned and I won't get up. I
was broken up with this restaurant. I won't leave and
I send, well, it's not but I don't have good
antiquette when it comes to this song, I won't leave.
And by the way, step away. When I hear this live,
step away, get away from what do you need?

Speaker 2 (31:11):
What I need?

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Ten feet in every direction, like I oh my god
when I hear the song live, like don't play with me.
Eternal Sunshine was her so far magnum o bist. You
can say that it is thank you Next. I think
it is a turtle Sunshine. I agree. I think she
has never been so okay, well, I think people Thank
You Next was also very on the nose with what
she was dealing with at the time, But Eternal Sunshine

(31:34):
was just like.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Oh there you are. Yeah, well, I how I've missed you?
Like do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Like I remember front to back in the car with
Louise every single day listening to that album, not a
single skip on there.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
It felt like the most holistically her you know what
I mean? And I think, yeah, I actually, I think
there's really something to the fact that that was created
post Wicked because I think Wicked reconnected her too. She
really is not to say that, like every era of
Ari isn't great, Like I stand positions, like I think

(32:07):
front to back, like just in terms of having any
just like I love I love Nasty, I love thirty
four to thirty five, and I feel like people kind
of and love Sabrina obsessed with Sabrina. But it feels
like the narrative around her is like she's like the
comedic pop star, like the funny pop star.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Ari had jokes, bars and more. Yeah, she still does
she like Ari Ari.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Maybe I'm an Nita Sepolt when I'm at it, a
coments at it. It's because like you know, she's just God.
I love her, go go off. I want to.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
I just I like, I've been listening to Ari for
since that first album. Like I remember listening to Yours
Truly in the car every single day to school. I
remember listening to my Everything that entire summer she released
it and be like how was how is this album not?
And then like you know, sweetener and dangerous woman and
think you like she just like grateful is the word grateful?

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Grateful, grateful is.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
The word, and like she she really I'm just very
grateful to pop girls that like lay bare their feelings
and what they go through and open themselves up to
criticism beyond the music, and I think she's done that.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
But she just has this like command obviously of like technique,
which like I take for granted. I think gay men
take that for granted, and they're in their pop stars
because I whatever, I had to like sing a number
in the special last night, and I took vocal code
of vocal lessons from our wonderful coach Doug Pac works
with the girls, and he goes to me. He was like,

(33:42):
when you go to rehearsal these next couple of days
and you're watching Ari and Cynthia do their thing, watch
where they take their breath, Watch what the shapes they
think with their mouths, it's like and I it's something
broken me where I'm like, oh my god, Like these
are virtuostick performers. And with Ari specifically on the on
the funny pop star thing, it's like, I just I

(34:04):
can objectively say she's like the funniest fucking person on
the planet. It's like she she comes down to now
she does her own pre tape. Selene Dion promoting the
UFC hosts. They don't give hosts that solo s. That's
just her and that sketch carrying it, saying pages of dialogue,
doing a Celene Dion impression, and then doing the vocal impression,

(34:25):
singing like Selene, It's.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Like, this is crazy, like are we are?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
We?

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Are we all seeing this? Yeah? She's she's She actually
is very similar to Gaga. Yes, I feel like there's
many different forms she takes. The Wicked moment kind of
like feels like the Starstar moment, even all the way
up to the Academy Awards, you know what I mean,
Like it's and they're so close, right, like oh absolutely,
well they obviously ran on me, which is right. That

(34:50):
was Thank God. I wonder what that song would have
felt like without the pandemic.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Not as special, you know actually, But it's hard to
say without the pandemic because like I don't even know
what life would have looked like without the pandemic. I
still haven't processed the pandemic, you know what I mean.
I'm like, let's do that right now, you know what
I mean. But like the only way I can process
it is be like, okay, well I have to be like,
I thank god it happened, not like a not like

(35:18):
you know what I mean? You Like, I have to
be like, well, I wouldn't be here if I didn't
go through that, because like everyone to some extent went
through it during the pandemic, it wasn't easy for me. Yeah,
Like and so I feel like you like, we haven't
processed all that life we missed, but I think we're
going to make up for it.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
I don't know if I can listen to Chromatica and
not because it's so crazy, because it's so clearly designed,
Like even the song rain on me, like feeling something
in nature on your skin, you know what I mean.
Like uh, the stupid love music video being out in
the open desert, you know what I mean. It just

(35:56):
still to me feels like I'm still in Jared's kitchen,
you know what I mean. Like and just the two
of us dancing to it with the dog, And there
is something special and unique about that being such a
pandemic album because it it did make us dance like

(36:16):
it it and we really needed to at that point,
you know. And like that's something that I hope she
feels and knows, like I feel like that album occupies
like a little bit of a weird space. I think
I think there's like a slider happening in gagas like
internal perception of her work.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Right now, I don't I obviously cannot speak to her
like mentality around this, but it's like our pop was
like the thing like, oh, I don't want to ever
think about this again, And now it seems like she's
embraced it because she understands that, like we all love
that album in a very specific way, and like any time,
like every time Applause comes on on the tour, like
the room goes crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Notice that, yeah, crazy, Yeah, It's it's.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Like it's it's it's a fucking like banger. It's a banger.
It's like a fucking like sleeper activation. But then fucking
I think now it's landing on that that that's landing
on Chromatica. And I think over time she will come
hopefully whatever and we're not Mike'll come home to Chromatica,
come home to Chromatica.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I never really appreciated Chromatica at the time. I am
embarrassed to say I have admitted this to Matt. I was
very and like he's he's come clean. I was very
during the pandemic. I was listening to a lot of
like somber music, so I was a very folklore to
punish her Phoebe Bridgers like, I was very in that.
That was how I took my pandemic. I was like,
I'm gonna think.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, So for us, I think it was like Chromatica
and Future Nostalgia. I had a moment with Future Nostalgia.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
When I really had my dance moment was when Brat
came out and let me tell you something. That album
changed my life. I think it's one of the best
of all time, of all time, of all times. It's
our rumors, It's our Fleetwood Mac you know, like you
te and more, Bar's Tea and more. These are these
are like interesting whatever, Okay, tell me what you think.

(38:05):
I think Sour is what Jaggie Little Pill was.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yes, yeah, one hundred percent. Well see that's so that's
a really apt comparison. I do think they occupy a
really similar space. You know what's bizarre. I saw them
a week apart at the Kia Forum.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I saw Alanis and I saw Olivia Rodrigo, like literally
seven days apart. In the same space and there were Yeah,
it was like it was like an older version of
the same. But I don't know. Obviously, Alanis Olivia's fans
are very young and very activated, so they filled that space.
And Alanis is so legacy now and everyone knows so

(38:41):
she is. So it was more general because it was
people being like, oh, of course, let's go see Alanis.
More a set. It wasn't Olivia fans like I mean,
you know what I'm saying, like, which is not all
of them, but I will say there is a lot
of sobbing.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Well have you ever been Have you guys been to
an Olivia Rodrigo concert? Yes, bar for bar, there is
not a Eric missed in that crowd.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Oh no, they're off booked and they're same same. It's true.
For Gracy Abrams, yes, oh yeah. There were girls at
the Gracy Abrams show forming large circles holding hands and
and and and like literally spinning in a circle like
ring around the rosy style, singing like have.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
You seen have you seen them do the mosh pet
the Gracy Abrams mosh Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
It's electric. They do agree with I forget to what song?
It is spectacular ship.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, I missed the mosh pit, I didn't miss the
holding hands in And there was that one.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
There was one song where everyone was just crying hard.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Do you remember. I don't remember which one it was,
but it was. It was such a catharsis and I
was like, I'm so happy that these girls are having
with it. That's so true. No, that's so true. Was
for everyone. Yeah, Like there was one song. I'm losing
which one it is. I'm having like a weird brain day,
but there was one song where it was like the girls,
this was their three and a half minutes to really

(40:06):
let it out. I'm sorry. It wasn't I love you,
I'm sorry because I miss you. I'm sorry. It wasn't
I miss you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It wasn't. Okay,
it wasn't I'm sorry. My single. It has to be
a third one, right, what was the first one? Well,
there's I miss you, I'm sorry, I love it, but
the first saying. There has to be a third one, right, Gracie,
you got to do that. I mean she will, she

(40:29):
must worst behaved audience based on the girl. Can we
say this? Okay? Who do you think I have an answer? Okay,
let me just give me a second, behave. I have
an answer, and it's not fair. It's not a reflection

(40:49):
on the on the person. It's the parents of the
children who are fucked up. Okay, I'm gonna make this
an age an age thing. Okay, what were they doing?
There was a girl at East Rutherford. Oh yeah, yeah,
New York Show. I was.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
I heard the New York Show because every time I
went to the arastur it was like hi, happy and
it was like.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Hi, I'm some like you know, overall amazing vibe.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I just get the sense I've anecdotally I've gotten I've
gotten different.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Stories of like this is a kid's this is the
best day of this girl's life, right, okay, and the
parent is so protective of that that it affects like
a gay guy, right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Did something happen where you were like, yeah, this girl
kept like getting into my space, like as demarketed by
the chair, kept like arm in my fucking an.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
It's just it's a lot of fun, you know what. Ariostour,
we love it. I went, I always had a great time.
It is it.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
I do think it's the kind of show and I
think this is just stadium shows maybe, so it's like
a it's like a venue size issue.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
But it's like you do get a lot of like
phone arm and those swing into your eyeline and then
I just like told this girl was like, you're at
a concert. Yeah, it's like you're at you're at a concert.
Good for you on that. But then the mom got
got in my face and was like you're you're you're
you're getting in hurs and like, no, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I'm just watching this this artist that I love perform.
So I'm you know, this is maybe not fair for
me to like zero on this one example, but I'm
gonna say that's my answer.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
It's you. I will say this is not global.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
I remember this, and I remember being like, this is
something because he he does he You get into it
with people when they're when they're bad at it all like.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
That, like missing and on Microsoft Excel on her phone
during the show of wine in her hands to double
fisting glasses of wine on a spreadsheet in front of her.
The fucking screen is full blast brightness and she's like
full conversation with the row of people, four different things happening.

(42:58):
But when she's over, I mean, you were at live
theater and she goes.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
It's like that moment in Dance Moms where they say
to Abbey Lee like I thought you preached theater at
or dance atticette, you know, and she she gets out
of there.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
But it's it's also funny because like Bowen does this
and these people like deeply know who he is. Right,
I know you don't care for you. I respect that
so much.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I just I don't like. I don't like that. They
have bad behavior, they have very bad behavior, and then
you call them out on it, and then it becomes
Bowen Yang snapped at me.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Sure to tell it to the mountain, right, tell it
on the mountain.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
I think, though there is like, oh, tell it on
the mound. What were saying, Jake?

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I think that there is a phone problem at concerts.
I really actively when I am at concerts, I try
not to go on my phone. I really and every
greatest moment of my life at a concert I remember
being I wasn't on my phone.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
I eat the archer Taylor Swift, I E.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
After hours at the weekend, I E like what emotion
sickness at the Phoebe Bridges Coachella show, like I'm just like, oh,
I'm not on my phone. I'm like, oh, like I'm
feeling the like, you know what I mean, Like I
feel my environment to this music that I'm seeing right now.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Have you had Billy Eilish on your show? No? I
would love to you guys had her. No, we've not
had her yet. She's she's the best. She's number one.
She's amazing. Her shows are amazing. I think she's one
of the few people we haven't had on that that
would make me nervous. Why Because she's probably a cool vibe.
She's a cool vibe, but she's a genius disarming.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I think she's very like, Hey, I don't know, that's
my Billy Eilish impression, you know mine?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
This is mine. That's actually quite good.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
But on the flip side, the best audience I have
ever ever been a part of carle right.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Oh yeah, everyone's Canadian. Everyone's spiritually Canadian. When I see
Carlirad Japson concert, that's actually the culture number thirty.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Everyone spiritually Canadian when I see a Carlia Ray Japson concert.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
And I agree because I saw her ten years of
a moment. She did not talking. Oh my god, I
have full body chill. She did the album front to
back and everyone was just like, how happy are you
to be here? Remind me to show you the video
I have of that starting. No one knew that was coming.
She gets out on stage. All we hear is the
trumpets and it's it's game over. It's game over. We're like,
oh shit, she's doing it front to back because guess what.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
That's a moment where I go, You're at a concert, right,
have fun in that joy back in.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
The day before phones, Like, imagine how awesome it was.
Everyone just let loose, like there is this like I
do wonder like there is this thing where it's like, oh,
I kind of feel embarrassed to dance sometimes I wish
I didn't feel that way.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
But you're always.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Dancing, but not as not, not like I could, I could,
I could really like I I very dramatic.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I mean, this guy goes to the gym with Tate.
We don't know what she's teaching. You don't know what
she's teaching him. We don't know the combos that he knows.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Right, Jake, I think you have a ten foot radius
role at every concert back back away, What do you
say get back step Away from at the Eternal Lunch
One Tour, Get the fuck Get the fuck Away.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
What was Austin like, tell us, Austin's great, the food's great,
the camaraderie is great, credible everyone. Like when we were
at the UT game, everyone was like, like I went
to USC right, and I thought, like everyone at those
games was like so in it, but like no, like Austin, like,
the team is really good, so everyone's like really in it.
Like people say, to the end of that game.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
You and Kaya were screaming hook and horns. We were screaming.
I love that girl.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
I mean, she is the greatest of all time. She's
so cool, so smart, so cool, so talented, so smart.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
She really works her ass off. Yep, Like I feel
like she. I just recently went in to do some
like ADR for Palme Royal and where there was a
scene we're in together and the performance that she was giving.
I was like, this girl is committed to it.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Yeah, she studies her craft, yeah, and she she she
is very very, very very smart.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
She does library like she when pretty people read, I'm like,
damn it, I talk about pretty.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Dead gorgeous, not even write like but yes, we had
the best time. She's like we had like she was
just like so along for the ride, Like just like
we had so much fun. We like we drank NonStop
and like it was great.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
It was I get my taco suggestion.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
No, you've did it, and I wish you had to. Well,
I'm gone now, but I am going to Dallas tonight.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
So what's mister Powell Like? I've always been curious. I
talk about a hard worker. He seems like a fun guy.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
He's number one, very fun. Number two a great friend.
And I know that because he is surrounded by number
one his family, and number two people that he's known
for twenty plus years.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah, you can always tell and like they are.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
All they do all the time is just reminisce and
talk about these funny stories. And what I gather from
all these stories is that he's never changed. That's hard
to do, yes, And I think and his friends really
ride for him, and he really rides for his friends.
His friends world there this weekend, and he's just a
great guy.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
He's a great guy. He's very very talented.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
And I think that because he's so, he's sort of
a McConaughey vibe where it's like because he's so like
handsome and charismatic and action y and like sort of
presents as like I'm the comedy action guy that people
aren't getting how good he is.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Well they will his I'm pretty sure his slate for
the upcoming year is like good to gag people trying
to do that. Yeah, and by the way, the new
show chat Powers laugh out loud, really laugh out loud.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Did you watch? I have not watched.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
I just very funny. He is very good. Number one,
he's a very talented actor. And number two, he's very
good at being being like the celebrity actor. Like he's
very good at all of it. He's good and he's
also a good guy. And like, can we just end
the whole like there are no stars any more? Conversation
like there are, there are, there are. I feel like
there are lots of stars.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
There are lots of stars.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
I just think we're in this weird moment where it's
like digital and traditional. It's like finally maybe merging in
this like very weird way, and like we're not used
to it.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
There's no rules anymore. Yeah, there's no that's it. There's
no rules anymore, because ultimately, here's when the rules were
broken when Kim Kardashian became like went from Kim k
to now being Vogue cover star. Yeah, I mean that
was I think she is emblematic of the change in
our culture more than anyone else. Oh yeah, what happened

(49:30):
from her start to right now? Because another thing is
she is fully the star of a full blown Ryan
Murphy show with and she's number one on that call sheet.
And who's below her, Glenn Close, Sarah Park You didn't
know about this? She's on the call sheet. Yeah, because
she's the star of the show. She's number one, she's

(49:52):
the most she's the lead of it. So yeah, All's
Fair is coming out on Hulu. Sarah Paulson's gonna I'm
on the show. Love her. We've not met her, but
she's the most talent, but like love her. Yeah that
she's sort of like a limitless talent. But this is
what I'm saying is it's like Kim Kay is the
leader of that show.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
That's crazy. Yeah, she is very emblematic of that shift
in culture. And I think about that all the time
because I remember obviously watching her at everyone was like, well,
she'll never do high fashion, She'll never do this, and
then suddenly she was on the cover of Vogue and
everything changed.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, I mean I don't think at this point, I do,
like whether you agree or disagree, like she is a
prestige presence at things, right, no doubt. Yeah, that's like objective,
like it's everyone knows her. Yeah. And I also think
that that is the currency now because I even hear
it from like my agents and stuff. They're like, yeah,
it used to be kind of a rumor that you know,

(50:47):
like your presence on social or like your presence in
the world, like your name recognition didn't matter as much
as you know, just going into the audition and nailing it.
But that's all a lie. It does matter like there,
it's it's bottom line driven, and I think we know
that now. So this idea that like I'm just going

(51:09):
to keep my head down and work and you know,
maybe go to Juilliard or like whatever, that's all well
and good, but it's just not a realistic depiction of
how things work anymore. It's just not otherwise, you know,
God bless her, But I just don't think that Kim
Kay as an actress would be number one on a
call sheet above Sarah paulse never yeah, of course not.
It's all about social currency, right, and she may, she

(51:31):
may gag the girls. The girls, and I just want
to say to something to everyone here sets up the mics,
and everyone here sets up the rigs. Thank you because
you've given us a platform to be gay guys with voices,
and maybe gay guys with voices? Is title? Guys with Voices?

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Is the title of that that I think is a
great depiction of what we do. Think that is a
great depiction of.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
We are a depiction before we do anthings money, should
we at least they will be on a bone here
like we didn't even we didn't even we paid about her.
I'll tell you my favorite album by her if you're interested. Well,
is it b Day? No, it's not. There's two. It's
self titled in four.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Well, yes, God, bless you, God bless you. Lemonade is
the best one. But yes, I mean school in life.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Oh my god, my daughter, you really are his daughter.
They miss you.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I miss you, like every day with you.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
When you you know what doesn't get the doesn't get
their respect.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
So now I'm gone death for you.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
You know what. At the time, everyone was like, oh
my god, this is the one and then it was
quickly forgotten, and then she does it again.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
It's I care oh oh, also prime example of she
thought culture gave up on her after that self titled yeah,
I swear it's like a trend.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
But wait, can I talk to you about school in life?

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
It's the best song ever.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Two things were happening in the summer of twenty twelve.
I was applying him at school, but I was like,
this is the wrong choice. I am depressed, probably gonna
move back in with my parents in Colorado. I want
to do comedy secretly, but I don't think I should
pursue it.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Twenty one, we had just graduated. We just GRADUATEDNYU.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Like I'd seen Matt at some like party, like in
the spring the last time.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Like we were like, we were not like the close
that we are now.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Basically the headline is I was depressed and then what
snapped me out of it was me walking down Broadway
school and life comes on. Something about that play felt different.
I listened to the time many times before, but then
the lyric stop living and regret Baby, it's not over yet.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Oh my god, I'm gonna throw up. I'm seriously gonna
throw up. I totally forgot about that. I told that
song is so fucking beautiful.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
It's the most beautiful goof the movie ass song you've
ever heard in your life, that nineties like Goofy movie.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
It was just like, did you watch the accompany accompanying
documentary It's a dream, yes, of course, or the Road
to four whatever she did Rightmilava was.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Just and I I go, I've seen all your documentary.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I've seen one front to back. What she say, thank
you by the way. That new album you're gonna it's
gonna tear that off. It's called It's not that Deep,
and is it like it's deep.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
It's deep. It's deep.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
It's that deep, and it stand outs because it will
be out by best time. Yeah, well we'll frequency. We're
gonna play some tracks. Okay, I'm very curious.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
There's a song called Frequency.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
So basically it's like it's like really hard clubs sounds
for like fags, like so it feels like it feels
like there's like definitely the.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Brat influence, but with Demi.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Vocals, do you think it's gonna be her c x
x O and the moment it's going to be like yeah,
and then everyone's gonna be like, where were we?

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I definitely want the girls to be responding more to
what's out there already, because Fast and hero All Night
are out there right now as we're recording this, and
I feel like the girls are being slow to it.
But I'm I'm we're telling you the new Demi is.
It's gonna is game changed you up. And I don't
care that they said this. They said this, and let
me say this. Pay Index said this on her podcast

(55:24):
with Hunter Harris. She goes, I don't want to hear that.
Demi Levado isn't brat. The girl did fucking heroine. She
was she was not binary for two weeks. That's the
most of those are the most. And she spoke to
a ghost. She punched a girl punched a ghost. She said,
I'm gonna beat that bitch up. She did. Yes, she's
bratt like I don't want to hear it. Demi is
so and she was camp Rock and she was camp

(55:45):
That's the most bratt thing ever. Camp Rock was Demi's
boom class. That's actually culture number ten. Camp Rock was
Demi's boom class.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
She was mean to Raven Simon on the on Sunday
with the Chance and they and they can front.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Each other about was on Sunny with a Chance as
like she guest started on Sunny with a Chance. And
then they they talk about in the Child Start documentary,
they like interview each other with Demi interviews Raven and
Raven was like, you're not the nicest, and it was
it's actually iconic in the Demi's like, I'm so sorry, wow,
because Raven was because Demi was on drugs many many
but I will say she she seems great and her

(56:21):
work is incredible. I mean like it's really, really, really good.
And then we heard the final song is called Ghost,
and basically, now when you google Demi Lovado ghost, it's
not just her singing to a ghost, is gonna come
up also a song ghost, which makes it genius.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Brandon Creed Brandon words out of my mouth, manager of
the Year, manager of the I was, oh my gosh.
I was literally about to talk about him. He is
exceptional role model. Demi, Charlie, Arianna, Troy Sevon am I
missaying someone. I think that's it, doesn't that Ronson, Tam

(57:03):
and Paula, Yeah, such a cool run.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Me and Tim and Paula have the same trainer do
you really?

Speaker 2 (57:08):
And I didn't know this until I get I get
to my trainer and this guy Kevin is leaving, and
I my my trainer j R.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Goes oh do you know? Also Benny Drama's trainer. He goes, oh,
do you know Kevin? I was like, oh, no, Hi.
He leaves, and then my trainer j R. Goes yeah,
I really like his music, and I go, who is that?
And he goes Tame and Paula, and I was like,
for sure, right, you gotta go. I was like, you
gotta be kidding. I didn't know you had a different hairstyle.

(57:38):
Have you ever heard the song? Eventually by them give
it a lesson? So gay guys like him and not
only like I like.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
The only like type of music like that I like
is like Tam and Paula And I love the Strokes.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
You every time.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
I've seen the Strokes multiple times, like at festivals, and
I always leave before my favorite song of all time
comes on someday by the Strokes because it's like no
one else wants to hear the Strokes and it's my face.
And also like have you ever are to Coachella?

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yes? Okay, well will you go to the Strokes with me. Yeah,
we'll go to the.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Strokes here first, you, Jake, We're going to the Strokes together. Okay,
as long as it's not at the same points.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
To every camera you heard it here first, Well, seriously, don't.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
I'm not forgetting as long as it's not at the
same time as Biberchella, because I will not miss Biberchella.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Well, Bieberchilla might not not might not start on time.
Let's just say that, right.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
But if Biebercella, if Bieberchella is happening, he needs to
do Ghosts also, which is.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
You know the rumor I heard that. I heard a
rumor that they have Scissa booked. Yeah, I heard that
in case Bieber pan out, I heard that as well.
But I heard the Bieber the Bieber's deal and contract
is so ensured to lock him the fuck in. Well
after Frank Oshan, my thing was, I couldn't believe they
were not that Bieber is like a risky artist to book.

(58:53):
I don't want to say that, like, because I think
that a lot of the commentary about him is obviously
unfair and fucked and has been fucked and and by
the way, his albums swag and Swag two panty droppers,
Justice for Justice, Justice Justice, and I listened.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
To Justice the night I Lost my virginity and what Yes,
I got home after.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
He hit the sweet spot keep us. So this is
an example of an album you right now?

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Yes, And I almost brought it up but I didn't,
and then I'm now I am. And I remember being
in bed being like, wow, what just happened? Like?

Speaker 1 (59:28):
And then Ghosts came on and I was like, put
it on my baby. Oh yes, it's been overdue.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
It's just like my heart stopped.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Do you see similarities in Justin and Brittany? Oh? Absolutely,
I can't even talk about Brittany got into it. It's heartbreaking. Yeah,
it's heartbreaking. And that's I think why it's fine to
be overly kind and like really like lauda Tory and

(59:58):
appreciate these girls and like, because you know what, it's
fucking hard and it's not that deep. I love your
life with a show girl phone. Did you get the no,
you didn't get get like I get the Midnight's phone.
I'm gonna go for midnights. Were we were at the
Apple thing and they revealed the iPhone of air. Everything's
getting skinnier. Well, he's not wrong, not wrong. Are you

(01:00:22):
gonna get that? Are you going to get the air?
I wait, it's it's waiting for me at the house.
By the way, I'm buying that switch game that you recommended,
Fantasy Life. Yeah, the Girl Who Steels.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Time Jake, You're gonna love and we have to play together,
and I think you would like it too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Did you? Were you guys ever like Pokemon kids? Yes, okay,
I was too. Are you excited for the new one?

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Well, I'm not like a new Pokemon guy. I was
an old like Silver and Gold.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
That was the best, best generation.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Yes, like uh dime something Pearl, I'm in Pearl, Black, White, Black,
uh Fire reds staffur Green. Don't even play with me
on the Game Boy Advance. I'm sorry, Oh my god.
And we would have been such a good friend.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Wait, I am I don't think soney. Can you do
my time? Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah, I'm coming for your daughter. No, No, it's okay.
This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time starts now.
I don't think so, Honey. That Bow and Yang hasn't
been on therapists.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
It's gotta happen and you know what you both really
need to Louise, I'm happy you're here because I really
feel like something needs to be good on the books now. Yeah,
because I'm literally watching you guys connect is making my
heart glow, make my heart stop, and I'm the opposite
of sexy Red with a dick in her butt, her heartstop.
Right now, My heart is going and it's fluttering and
flying because I feel like my my little brother and

(01:01:44):
my sister have connected. And then I now I know
you have a daughter. I don't think you've had a
daughter really first. I think you might be his first daughter,
like the film with Katie Holmes. And I don't think so, honey,
that it's taken this long for you guys to really
slay so because I feel this has been one of
our best episodes in recent memory. I'm absolutely not lying.

(01:02:07):
And I don't think, so, honey, that the world has
been deprived of the greatness. That is going to be
a bow and yang ex Jake Shane on Therapus, because
that is going to gag the girls. And I can't
wait to see you in that chair in that gorgeous set. Oh,
I love that set. You're the best, and I don't
think so y and that's one minute talk about the set. Gorgeous?
Tell me because I do think we kind of need
to figure out our aesthetic. Wow, we like it a cosmo.

(01:02:28):
You know, we can maybe spruce it up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
My set is made by these people at Interwoven Studios.
I will give you their contact. They're amazing. And I
have a person on my team named Harley and she
does all my creative and so she works with me
on everything. So for the first set, we did sixties.
I think this set was seventies. I wanted to go eighties.
Louise bitched me out about it. Louise, we say again,

(01:02:53):
you actually told me I had bad ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
What literally you've been viewing? That was a lot? What
do they call you? Chief of staff? Yeah? Yeah, no managers?
My manager? Oh okay, yeah, manager, chief of staff. She
runs she runs my life. No, Louis, I know, like you,
there should be like a big articles written about you. No,

(01:03:15):
I really, I really don't you feel proud of her?

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Beyond we had something planned for Saturday, She goes, oh,
Friday and Saturday?

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Are you again? There goes my personal time. What I'm
saying you you have star quality she really do. She does.
My chief of staff has star quality to Melissa. Melissa,
you probably have because we're we're now inseparable. Yeah, I
definitely have me, Melista. She put me in this, in
this What are you wearing today to the panel?

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Actually it's gonna be really cute. Okay, Bowen Yang, are
you ready to do? I don't think so, honey. All right,
this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. His
time starts now. I don't think so honey.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
When the fart don't come out, I don't like it
when it's when it's stuck in there and I know
you're in there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Get out of there. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Yeah, when the gas builds up and then it's like, okay,
now we're playing cooy, like, get out of there. Y'all
know what I'm talking about. Everyone's looking away in shame,
as if they don't relate. This happens to us all,
especially to me. I know I have gi issues. I've
tried to get my gut health figured out. My heart's
stock like my heart stop. I want the fart to

(01:04:19):
start thirty seconds printed on the shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I want the fart.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I want to start, start, and otherwise I'm just there
with the bubble kind of squirming around in there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Awful. I want like it's like, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
It's it's poop dust. I know it's gross. I know
we're all a little squeamish. It's theory of the abject.
We're all like, oh, we want there were gay guys
talking about their butttholes again five seconds. Farts need to
be discoursed a little bit more. We're stigmatizing farts and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
That's what minute. I just want to say that I
looked over, So Doug is in the room today. He's
not usually in the room, and I looked over two
times during this episode, and he was lit up when
you did that this heart humor and tame and Paula.
Both times I saw you beaming, smiling and more. You
loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
You like, what, what, how do we get this together?
I just have to see his ed g I person.
You know, no, you know what it is. Also, it's
a little bit of fart shame. So the reason's fart
gets stuck is because you have that brief moment of
like should it come out or should it not? And
then it's like, you know what, I'm not going to
come out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Then, well, let me tell you something. He's usually not
very shy about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Well, I'm not sure. I'm not just like an angry
Egyptian king. I'm not shy around my friends. And maybe
you need a dick make your heart stop.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Sorry, maybe that would make the fart fart? Wait, isn't
it ice, Spice? That ship You ain't the ship, You
ain't even the fart. Yes, I spe ship, bitch, you
know what is the fart and the ship? Or I
don't think so, honey? Time? Okay, God, he can't wait.

(01:05:57):
This is a moment in history. This is Jake Shane
doing it. I don't think so, honey. That's a moment.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
That's a moment, and I need to like not think
about how important it is to me so I can
just let it rip.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Oh yeah, a far like a Okay, this is Jake
Shane's I don't think so, honey. As time starts now,
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Ordering dessert at the same restaurant you just ordered dinner at,
I am uncomfortable. I've eaten both an appetizer and an entree.
The restaurant is hot. I've gone through every possible discourse
with you that I could have possibly gone through. I
want to leave. Yeah, there are specifics restaurants made for dessert.
I e. Frozen yogurt chops. I eat ice cream chops,

(01:06:33):
I eat bakeries. Get me the fuck out of this establishment.
I am so uncomfortable when and also there are people
waiting for our table. If we have gone to a
restaurant that is good, people want the table. Why are
we ordering dessert? My stomach wants something cold. I don't
want a piece of warm cake that the chef is
famous for. I'm uncomfortable. I've allotted enough time for sympathizers, entree,

(01:06:57):
and then fifteen minutes for check time. I don't have
the extra twenty minutes. Okay, I'm uncomfortable. I want to leave.
I need to get out of there. And also the
desert that good. Get me fro Yo any day. Get
me the fuck out of the restaurant.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
And that's one minute. It is so true. We had
dinner at to Tony's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I was like, did I say something because you were like,
all right, I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
It's so fun. Love you so much, literally would die
for you, like out the door and then the gym
you leave really fast because I will now reveal we've
done gone to the gym together in cam.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Yes after I had sex with a man and I
called Matt freaking out, yes, and he said, oh sweet
your friends with too many straight girls?

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Was it? Was it all okay? In the end, of course,
it was all okay, okay, good?

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
That was like, girl, I was like, He was like,
have you ever had sex with the guy from Grinder?

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
I was like, babe, I sit on my lap, let
me tell your story, let me spin you a yarn. Well,
I first of all, I relate to that. You're so right.
You're so right. Did I do a good job? You
were credible?

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I was footstomping. Why is you saying I am uncomfortable?
Multiple full times sending I'm uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Uncomfortable, Like we're sitting in like a booth and like
what and like I'm like, I have to I have
to go pee, And I'm like, all right, well let
me get out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Well while you're getting out, let's just get up and leave.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Let's just get up and leave. It's in your mission
or whatever. It's like, well, then we might as well leave.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Oh god, I fucking hate it. Yeah, I get it,
I will say, I am. I think I'm guilty of this.
I always want to see the dessert menu. Oh my god,
it's my number. What that pee? I say, do you
want see the dessert menu? I'm okay, thank you. Yeah,
I always want to see it. You know what I
will say, I will cop to I always see the
menu and I never do really order.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Is this a Jewish thing because it's a Chinese. It's
an Asian thing for sure. Where it's like we're like,
what do you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
What do you? What do you mean get to? I mean,
I'm just impatient and miserable, like a Jewish thing. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Sorry but sorry, I'm making it about and no, but
I like a quick meal. That's why I like dim sum.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Thank you. That's why I like dim sum. You know
what I get upset about like when the when the
meal hits the table, I get really sad. I'm hungry,
of course, but it means that the conversation is almost over.
Oh my god, because the meal hitting that you can
have a conversation anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
I can't have a conversation anywhere. I'm there for food.
What I love about dim sum is you sit down
cart in front of your face? What the fuck do
you want?

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
I want this?

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
And third you want the track? We're out. We're done. Yeah,
we're done. It's so quick, it's so perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
You want more? Oh yeah, there's a nother there's the
carts coming back around. Yeah, don't you worry about it? No,
wait time love a fast casual love Chipotle.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Yes, fast casual? You and I yeah, no Chipotle. I
gotta I gotta go on therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
You've gotta come up. There happened like now wicked press,
wicked Press.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Okay, so to literally it's coming off of this this
conversation about needing to leave, like I actually do need
to leave because I have Doug Peck in ten minutes.
But I will say this, you must return to the
show many times.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Really you are, brother, doorder. I'm sorry, it's all incestuous,
it's all fucked, but we're I've had such a lovely time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
This has been so fun and I'm so happy that
it happened. And because he's almost never in Los Angeles,
so I knew that once we had to connect. But
also we're gonna return to a conversation about getting you
out to New York. Not to freak Louise out. It's
gonna happen. Yeah, she wants it. Oh you want it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
No, our recent trip, Yeah, our recent trip. We were like,
ooh oh maybe no, it's interesting. We'll wash that off. Yeah, worry,
we'll We'll clean the slate.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
This is so fun. Therapist obviously is a podcast you
probably already love and are consuming all the time. But
if you're not, you should and more to come. By
the way, we didn't even talk about how great you
were on hacks. Oh, thank you, thank you. We talked
about the pop girls and isn't that what matters?

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Truly, that's why you must return. Yeah. We end every
episode with a song. I'm not a teacher, baby, but
I could teach you something. Not a preacher, but we
can pray if you want to. Not a doctor, but
can make you feel better. And I'm great and write
if physical let us. I'm a freak all day all night. Yeah,

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out of sight and crazy all day all night. Who
needs a degree? My school in life? So I mess
up with a way bye. Last culture Reactis is the
production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players in iHeartRadio Podcasts,
created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive

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produced by Anna Hasby and produced by Decca Ramos, edited
a mixed by Duck Babe and our music is by
Henke Bersky