"Good Walz" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Mercury is in retrograde! And Las Cultch is crying on the mic! Matt and Bow gather in Bowen's Brooklyn home to discuss Kamala's wonderful VP selection, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, the difference between douches and douchebags, coming back from being called "weird", tapping out during the workout, learning to love vegetables, and the way summer can sometimes be. Also, the boys saw Sing Sing and sing sing its praises, share thoughts on the final state of the Real Housewives of New Jersey and express frustrations with Spotify algorithm culture. All this, Matt admits his number of unread emails, Bowen kills a plant, and steamer clams are finally explained to those who do not know about them.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look may oh, I see you my own look over
there is that culture? Yes, wow, Los ding Dong lost Colt.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Teresa's calling back at the table, back at the fifty
shades table. Yes, across from my girl, staring her straight
in the eye. I don't know who's the running mate
and who's the presidential candidate, but.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
That's sort of the vibe you are as a son
of a football coach, like Tim Walls. Yeah, I think
you might be Tim, which just not to relegate you
to a lower status, honey, I'm used to it fine,
And I am at least half Asian over here exactly exactly,
and I don't know how much else. I don't know
what the rest. I haven't done the twenty three. But

(00:47):
wait a minute, what if you did? You should? I should?
I am. My sister did it, and there's some interesting finding.
I guess because she did it, you don't have to
do it. But I think the samples have only gotten bigger.
You know what I mean, They're able to get more
Oh yeah, yeah, as more people do. As more people
do it do I just realize. So the thing about
this table is we can't get tactile.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
No, but we are reaching for each other. Actually, could
we get a tactile hold on? He had to come
out of a speed when we touched.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Actually, you know, I had been really pulling for walls
because girl was making me very nervous. Like you said,
can I say what you said? Yeah, it was kind
of giving douchebag energy. I didn't say the bag. There's
a huge difference between douchebag and douche Yeah, plant douchebag
is oh, like you're not even human to me, Like

(01:40):
you are so vile and awful and so off putting
that like I'm not even I'm not going to give
you the digny.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I'm gonna say you're a bag of a person.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, Yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Was just giving douche like he was saying things that
were sort of like his tone that he was taking
was giving douche a douchebag. He's he's he's the governor
of Pennsylvania, is.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Gonna not a bag wonderful, wonderful executive whatever. But it's
just he was already getting defensive about like the school
voucher stuff and the and the corporate tax cut stuff.
It's like, we can't have this off the.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Bat and not great on Uh, not great stuff coming
out of the college day from the college days regarding Israel,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, anyway, some scary attitude, I'm sure. I really look
forward to him being in this next wave of Democrats
sort of rising up. I think this veepstakes was kind
of fun to follow.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, I mean what I think is like the right
choice was made because to be honest, like, if you
need Shapiro to help us win Pennsylvania, just set him
loose on Pennsylvania. The VP is going to have to
campaign all over the country. I mean, I like Wals.
He actually does remind me of my dad.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
He's a football coach. He's giving football coach.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's giving football coach who also was head of the
Gay Straight Alliance, which is a real thing about him.
And also Minnesota is the happiest thing. And I think
he speaks with a very clear voice of a leader.
I think he keeps things like he gives things the
gravity they deserve. But he's also like you got you
gotta think it's a giggle fest over there at Harris Walsh.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, it's gotta be. It's at least lost culture level.
It's got to be.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Maybe they should have come on lost colture together and
it's gonna be like our Josh and Aaron episodes, just
a cluckfest.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
A cluckfest. And I think one of them has an
Aaron Jackson style. I don't think so or I'm sorry,
a Josh Sharp style. I don't think Sony that is.
I don't think so honey my wife giving me blowjobs
on my birthday.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I really hope that one of them can get really
real and just talk about their sex life. And I
don't think so honeying they're in.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
But yeah, no, I things are good. Harris Waltz, Baby,
we're going for it.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I want to point out that there was a tweet
last night from Jos Shapiro where he was just it
was just a video of him like walking through a
town in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
It seemed like it was not staged. It was just
like something that like would have been in the real
for the race had he been the pick. But the
tweet was this was like later last night, it was
let's go Pennsylvania one hundred and eighteen days or whatever
till Groundhog's Day. People quoteating it being like, oh he lost,

(04:25):
Oh he like he's out, he's out about it.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
He actually announced he's taking about groundhog adfitted from the
Beefstakes to groundhogs. Ed.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Wow, that is very funny.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Honestly, I will say the other one I guess they
were talking about was Basher and Kelly. Yeah, but Mark Kelly,
I never really thought that was gonna happen because I
find him to be void of charisma.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I don't think you can deny that Waltz has like
an he has like an X.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Factor, like he he's the one that labeled them with
the word weird that they're now running with, because I
think that's the thing that we've been missing is in
the disc course about what's going on, is they are weird,
Like this is weird, Like you look at them at
the RNC. I mean they brought out whole Cogan like
it's it's fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Good luck trying to beat the weird allegations. This is
something I'm just saying, like, this is something we've known
since the schoolyard. Oh yeah, I've been called weird and
it's really I've never been able to successfully convince people otherwise.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
They are spinning out about it. Like everyone started saying J. D.
Vince is weird, He's like I'm not I'm not weird.
It's just you can't until I'm not weird at all.
It's you call someone weird, It's it's over.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's a kneecapping. It's a knee capping. Like the only
way you brush it off is by literally not acknowledging it.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, this is this is I guess the psychology of
being called weird. Right, You get called weird, so then
your response to that is to act like unbothered and
too cool.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Right, And these people don't they don't know what to
do how to do that? Oh yeah, they do not
know how to do that. Like they only know how
to like.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Try to provoke and you know, say the thing that
they don't really believe that they know is going to
get a reaction. And that's odd and it's very try hard,
you know what I mean. It's like and I think
we thought a few years ago that the our people
thought like the meanness that comes from like Trump and
his underlings was like real and it was real talk,
and it was like there was something maybe to whoever's

(06:28):
voting for him, maybe quote unquote.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Cool about it. But now it's just like it's so
sweaty everything they do feels like on paper, like a joke.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
It is weird. I think it's the right weird. It's
the right weird to use. It's the right word to do,
righte weird. Now, let's let's pivot to something else. Sure,
if that's what you want to do.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I love going to the movies. I think didn't we
go last night now that I remember we went last
night too, that we had an emotional time at the
at the cinema. We had a very emotional time to
the cinema. And you will too if you go see
Sing Sing right now, go see it. It's so just sublime.
What a what a wonderful, hopeful movie. Without it being

(07:10):
it didn't It did not seem too treacly or schmaltzy.
Although I love schmaltz. I love when the chicken fat
renders out onto the pan and I eat the chicken grease.
But this is not It was not too rich in
that it was like every moment of like joy and
tenderness is undercut by a moment of like, oh, the

(07:31):
reality of prison of a facility like Sing Sing is
extremely grim and dispiriting and dark and awful, and it
really kind of and I'm gonna say something so so cringe,
but I love a movie about theater. I love. We

(07:53):
should say what the movie.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Is about, yes, yes, Yang, I don't know if everyone's
done the homework, okay please. So the movie is about
irustrated men in sing sing and one of the programs
that they're involved in, or the program that these particular
men are involved in, is.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
The art program, which is RTA programs.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Okay, so, but it is art they were doing. They're
in the RTA program, which is you know, it's like
essentially a theater group at the prison where they put
on plays. And it's not just something that they're involved in,
it's actually something that you know, helps these men really
process their emotions. A lot of incarcerated men like don't

(08:33):
have an outlet to process the anger at their situation,
the grief at their situation, the feelings that they might
have about their situation. And this is a film about
a group of men who are engaged in this program
and how it betters them and how it moves them
forward and the dynamic relationships within that group. And it's
Coleman Domingo is the star of this movie, and what

(08:54):
a hero on screen he is, like he's just so winning,
he's he's just like you can track every single emotion.
This is like a really really perfectly calibrated performance in
that it is brimming with emotion, but it's never indulgent.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
There's a scene which I believe should.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Be the Oscar clip and maybe even within him the
Oscar where he goes to his parole hearing and he
is attempting to you know, it's a very if you've
ever seen like Shash and Gradhempshen, you know, they did
a great job of talking about what these Pearle hearings
are like when these men have to go to this
panel and basically explain to them that they're rehabilitated and
that they can be you know, that they are a
viable candidate to be released back into the free world.

(09:39):
And this particular scene you see just how difficult that
task is.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
And what really blew me.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Away about Coleman Domingo's performance is that he never breaks,
but he's always holding the emotion and just the amount
of restraint that he has. It reminds me of something
that Jennifer Lewis said to me on the set of
I Love That for You, which is like you don't cry.
They cry, and he doesn't let it go until so
late into the movie. And I won't spoil anything because

(10:12):
there's really a lot of very surprising things in the
script too, and it was a beautiful script.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
But just have to commend him on.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
His control of his emotional instrument, which is at a
top point. It's in a point zero zero zero one
percentile absolutely of capability of actors that I've seen. Yeah,
And just on top of that, he's acting with basically
almost entirely non actors who are real alums of that program,

(10:45):
non professional actors anyway, who were real incarcerated.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Men who are now in this movie.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Given these performances and the way as the number one
on the call sheet, he must have made them feel
comfortable and open and free and at ease to give
these performances, some of which are fantastic, all of which
are good. Some of them just rise way above Clarence Macklin,
Oh my god. And I think he should be nominated
for the Sean.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
San Jose who plays Mikey Mikey Mike Mike, who is
like Coleman's character's neighbor, like cell neighbor. Yeah, fantastic model.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I mean and also like Clarence Macklin like helped develop
the story for this and this guy's performances.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I mean, talk about playing an arc.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
He comes in one way and he believably leaves a
completely different way every moment.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
So truthful, so real.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
There's a danger in him, but you're always wanting to
know more, just like this movie is.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I loved it, Yeah, really really enjoyed it. So go
see it. It's a fucking contender, girl. Anyway, we did
a day yesterday. We went to Barrie's. I tapped out.
You know what it was. I think that so I've
been going like every day in the morning in the morning,
and I think going like late in the afternoon or
working out really late in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
People that work out after work. My hat is off
to you, hats off.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I need it. In the beginning of the day, I
just came back from the gym and I feel amazing. Yeah,
but not like yes and yesterday, I was I almost
didn't make it to the damn film. You really thought
that there was no chance you weren't gonna make No,
I was gonna make it to the movie. I was
just like it was my first time I've ever ended
a barries class early.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Really, and it was next to me, and it was
how convenient that it was the very first time and
I'm the only one who saw it.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Liar, you always end you never lied to me. But
what a fun what a fun day with math. I
always love it when you're in town. Don't go. I
know I have to go tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
It's been It's been a very pistiest couple of weeks
from me. You guys, pe town was fun. It was
a mixed bag. I've been a little emotional for personal reasons.
But like summer, I think is like wearing down on me.
It's a mixed bag. Yeah, summer is a mixed bag.
And that's a rule of culture. That's all culture number what.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I think a ninety four summer is a mixed bag.
I'm on the record as saying I don't think so, honey, summer,
And then you told me you do like summer, and
I was like, I promise you. This is where we
meet in the middle. It's a mixed bag. There are
things that I'm sure you love about summer. I am
positive you love certain things about summer. You don't hate

(13:18):
it wholesale, No.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
No, I don't hate it wholesale. In fact, I always
go into it excited and then I just get fucking exhausted.
And I'll be real, I think that mid thirties is
really hitting hard. And I am now in the mind
frame of, like, Okay, what changes do I have to
make because I think that I don't know what it is,

(13:41):
but I'm starting to like examine a lot of things
about my life, and I'm like it sometimes is it's
a little overwhelming to think just at this age, like
where do I live?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Like I'm like half between New York and half between
LA which I thought would be cool.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
But now it's just kind of like it's in your twenties.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I think it's yeah, if you can pull off Bi
Coastal in your twenties, like hell yeah, congratulations on the.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Money you made too, Like that was not my reality,
but I thought it would be.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
And it has been fun to be like free and
have that availability to go wherever I want and do
whatever I want to do. But it's getting to the
point where it's like no one ever knows where you are.
It's very hard to date like this, and I think
the travel just really I mean I like me telling
you that travel wears on you, like obviously you know,
but it does wear on you, and it's just like

(14:29):
it's very taxing. And also the social media element of
the summer is very overwhelming. And I also get that
it looks like I'm fucking killing it on social media
in the summer, like people have been like, Wow, your
summer looks amazing, and I'm like, really, because I've been
sad most of the days and that's not for anyone
to be like, oh pity him or like what's going on.
It's just like a reality and I think, I don't know.

(14:51):
I'm starting small. I'm starting with drinking a lot less,
maybe not really at all. And you showed me that
app that you've been using.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Oh, I'm gonna get some I'm gonna get some guff
for this, But what is it? It's okay that you
get guff because it's what it's I told that about
seventy five hard and some people might know about this.
It's a very I would say, incredibly broie, like I
would say douchier than Tim Ferriss. The situation it's like,

(15:21):
but I think the framework around it is I can
agree with that it's like, here's what's tell us what
it is? The full monty seventy five hard is two
forty five minute this is every day. This is the
laundry list, two forty five minute workouts. One of them
should be outside, which good luck in the winter. But anyway,
I know I'm already, I'm already like two anyway, let

(15:44):
me just get through. This is like the full version,
and I do I downloaded in an alternate app that
is basically the same idea, but it's not quite as
like toxic mask, and it's just a little bit more
like soft. But it's two forty five minute workouts. To day,
you drink one gallon of water one hundred and twenty
eight milli liters or ounces one hundred twenty eight ounces,
which is double that recommended sixty four. It's so much better.

(16:07):
This programmer is a full time job already. It's sixteen
eight ounce glasses. Yeah, of water. When people tell you
to drink eight and you're good, and even that's like
good luck. Ten pages of reading a day, I say
ten minutes, like it depends on the pagination, it depends
on the line spacing whatever. And then no drinking alcohol

(16:29):
and no cheat meals slash you should be on a diet.
That thing. I'm like, oh no, whatever, Like I'm what
I am sort of like going towards right now is
twenty vegetables a week. Twenty vegetables a week, and it's
fun and it's and it actually like it's a diet
without being a diet because I'm like, let me just
like get the vegetables in. Yeah, can I say something?
Love vegetables. I love I love roasting vegetables on a

(16:52):
damn sheet pan. Babe.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
You heard me talk about cucumber here. Yes, you heard
me get into it about cucumber. And by the way,
people have been reached out and saying they've been doing
that cucumber thing that I talked.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
To remind us with the cure.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
It was that you cut up the cucumber and put
a little bit of hot sauce and some salt and
pepper on a plate and you just you mix it
up like it's like tost almost like buffalo cucumber.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
The people have been saying that it is the snack
of the sun, the sack of the summer. It is
actually a nominee next year, the culture was for best
mapp best snack cucumber with a little bit of hot sun.
I think we announced that we did too.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I think we did too, but no, I love vegetables.
There's parts of that that do sound too much, like yeah,
it sounds like too much.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, committing to.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Two forty five minute workouts today is a lot so
on this alternate app which let me let me find it, because.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Once I work out, once, I'm like, okay, I worked
out today.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
And also the thing about the dieting is like, that's
why you work out so that you can be you
can eat sort of whatever you want to eat, and
you can have cheat meals like that that that language
starts to get fuzzy for me.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's called seventy five days Challenge rather than seventy five
herds seventy five heard. It's a little bit like anytime
you like miss the day. It's like there's a picture
of the guy who founded it. It's like, mo, mean
looking dude, who's like, did you give up?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
No, I hate that. It's a little too about that's Sushapiro.
For me, it's a little too so. I need a
Tim walt Summer. I need a Tim Waltz seventy five
days Challenge. So now I'm on I'm on the medium
difficulty Medium Challenge. I'm on day five and it's just
one workout. Yeah, and that's basically it.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, okay, cool, and it also gets well then the
soft and then the easies setting is one workout, ten pages,
diet water you can drink in social situations.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, that's I mean, honestly, here's the thing. I'm not
even saying I'm sober now. I'm just saying it has
to change, we have to.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Adjust, we have to dial it down so we can
dial it back up if we want to, just to
like have the energy, have the balance. Yeah, I mean,
that's the thing is. It's like late July August hit.
I had my I think I had my literal breaking
point on Monday, like.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
So it was like town, yeah, and it was just
and we had just gotten there and I was just like, okay,
you know what, I am emotionally exhausted, and I like,
don't It's not that I don't know why, but I
don't know enough about why I feel like this to
the point where I'm like, let's just try to actively

(19:19):
be healthier. And I'm really happy that I've been prioritizing exercise.
And I'm not saying like I think anyone should cut
out alcohol. I'm not making any decisions for you. It's
just something that's.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Been on my mind a lot more. And but what
a wonderful instinct for you to like understand what your
coordinates are right now and be like, oh, let me
I know what to do, or let me try this out.
You're doing AMDR. You're well every now and then, well,
you're just doing it, doesn't it doesn't matter how often,

(19:50):
and you are taking very concrete actions. How are you feeling?
I feel pretty good. Yeah, I feel pretty good. That's good. Yeah,

(20:14):
that's it. I feel good.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I had a nice answer though, like I feel pretty
good and that's it. There's not much to allaborary.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
No, I've got nothing to complain about. I really don't
like what a huge from last summer. But I'm really
I'm really sorry you feel this way, and it's been
hard to watch you struggle. But I know I have
to give you some space and I'm there. I'm always
there for you. That's another thing is like I am
so much more introverted than I used to be, and

(20:42):
I'm wondering about why. I wonder what that is. Like,
my social battery drains so much faster than it used
to drain. I think because I think honestly, because I'm
not settled anywhere. I genuinely think I can.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Trace it down to the bicoastal thing is not work
from Oh, and that makes me sad because I'll have
to sacrifice something in each city. Like I love New
York because it's fun and like I genuinely think, like,
like my group of friends is here, you know what
I mean. I feel like it's dating is more fun
here in New York. I think that that's like, and

(21:18):
I like being close to my family. I love New
York energy. But then in Los Angeles, like I'm like
a healthier version of myself. I take care of myself
more like I have a couple of relationships there that
are like indispensable to me, like Jared and Greta, like
Truly and Sudi, and like I would I don't know
what I would do if I was not if I
didn't have those with an access to me. But it's

(21:38):
the first time in my life where I have no
instinct about what to do.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
What to do as and where to be.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, yeah, as I'm like where to be, like where
to put my roots down, and where to like start
things I thought I knew, And then all of a sudden,
I confuse myself.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
And I think it's.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Because you know, well, a lot of reasons, but like
when you don't have to worry about the career anymore,
and the career is all you worried about for your twenties,
it's like, now it's like, that's the part of my
life I feel most secure about.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
That's good. That's good. No, it's good.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
But then all of a sudden, you're like, oh, I
only ever focused on that, you know what I mean,
That's not really true. My social life is wonderful. I
have my close friends, and I mean I have lots
of things. But the realization that like you might be
behind in one area because you gave everything to another
is I think maybe a mid thirties moment.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's just reframing what you are saying about, Like you
thought you knew where to be, but you didn't arrive
at a decision because what your quote unquote decision was
was splitting time between two places, which is not a decision, right.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, it's literally actually trying to have it both ways, yeah,
which is wonderful, and you really made it work. Yeah,
And I am so awestruck it the way you've like
really made it. I feel like you we're genuinely the
only girl I knew who was making the by Coastal
thing like look good.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I feel like it's like a dirty word too, by Coastal.
It's like made up. Yeah. Well, Like it's like.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I'll be on the dating app and they'll be like,
so where do you live and I'll be like, well,
I'm in I'm by Coastal in New York and l A.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
And I just feel like it's like it's already like yeah, yeah, okay,
like no one, no one wants to get involved with
someone that's like not around sure, like who wants that? Yeah?
I do have to bring up my first two seasons
working at us an l A. Heidi Gardner and Julia Torres.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Submitted a sketch twice, and I really wish I would
have gotten picked, but it was just a girl named
who's Collin Jared? Obviously, I'll just call you back to
a Freida. Frida's second appearance. I know he's he's major
third appearance and like that that count as an appearance,

(24:01):
I think, so should I have?

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Should I have answered the call?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
No, no, don't answer? Oh my god, no hiding and
Julio wrote a sketch about a woman named Deirdre. Julio
loves the same Deirdre because as you know, Deirdre is
also after.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
As a name, Julio, but it was Heidi playing named
ded Heidi does give Deirdre. Heidi gives Deirdre.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
But then her whole thing was her catchphrase was in
this accident which I can't quite place, is Deirdre by Coastal.
Her whole thing was I work at Chipotle.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
By Coastal Chipotle and coastal Chipotle employee named Deirdre.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
What is the Heidi Gardener, Julio Torres bending, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Here's the thing about the Deirdre lifestyle, which is what
I'm going to call by Crystal.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
From now on. Huh.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
The Deirdre lifestyle title e that the Dirda lifestyle. The
thing about that is like, if Dere's anything like me,
she also doesn't like really like either of her apartments,
because I also don't own anything. So that's the other
thing is it's like I go to my own it
to like it. No, I know, but like I'm just saying, like,

(25:15):
maybe it would be better and maybe I would enjoy
my dear dre lifestyle a little bit more. You liked
if I know, maybe, yeah, sure, if I liked one
of them. But like, you know what it is. It's
like in New York, I have like a great location,
but it's not the dream like.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
You had drumming a fucking guys, I don't want to
tell you that my neighbor in my New York apartment,
his son got a drum kit. That is that is
such a huge no no in New York City. You
cannot buy a drum set in New York.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
And especially because he knows how thin the walls are,
like if he knows he's in New York City, New
York City.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, you cannot play the drums, no, I'm sorry, Or
you go to drum class to a studio you rented out. Oh,
And then part of.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Me feels bad because I'm like, you know, like this
kid micro up to be Ringo star like. And then
I ran into the guy in the hallway and he goes, hey,
you're you're Matthew, right, And I.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Was like yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
He's like, you're in four f I was like m hm,
and he was like, sorry about the drums, and I
was like yeah, I wasn't going to make an issue
of it just because it's been one day, but I
do wonder if.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's gonna get better. And the guy goes to me,
this is funny. He goes, well, trust me, it's a
lot louder in there than it is out here. Well,
he signed up for it, and you didn't like be
that as it may.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
You should have.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
You should have gone Dolores catann on his ass. Oh,
we'll get to that. I apologize, Well, you should apologize,
so you should apologize.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Should apologize. You think I'm a slob. And then I
was like you are a lying cut Wait no, okay.
So then he was like, don't worry, I'm gonna get panels,
and I.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Was like what.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I was like, oh great, And then I said to him,
I was like, well, it'll all be worth it when
he becomes ringo star. And the guy goes, yeah, I
hope so, and go say in this apartment and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Okay, okay, so it might be time to hang it up.
He's a great father, clearly.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
There's something else in my heart, which is like I
don't want to discourage this chistic impulses. Of course, and
we're not saying now, we're not. This is not the
kid's fault.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
It's just it's really tough to buy drums in this
city or any city where people are stacked up. On
top of it, it's not the.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Instrument to give your kid if your living situation is apartment,
especially like apartment with walls this thin, Like I swear
to god, I'll sometimes watch like YouTube videos on my
laptop and you turn it down and I'll be thinking,
am I bothering my neighbors?

Speaker 1 (27:43):
That's the that's the porn thing for me? Classically, I'm like,
am I playing this porn too?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Oh? This is the worst. When you have to put
yourself on self tape for an audition?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh terrible? Well you don't. You probably don't do that anymore,
but I know that.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
But like when you have to put yourself on self
tape for an audition and you're in your apartment and
you have to do it several times, and sometimes you
have to like get angry or yell or say things
that are not what you are saying. But they're what
the character is saying, and you think, what the fuck
are they thinking out there right now?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I'm saying these lines that are beyond and you can't
care because guess who doesn't care? Cecily Strong, because the
entire time she worked at SNL, she was screaming, trying
out accents and different characters in her apartment. She's like,
I don't fucking care, Like, say what you want, I'm
Cecily Strong.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, but you know what, though, I guarantee Cicely Strong
had a nice apartment with good walls.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Who knows, just like Tim Goodwall, good Walls. Maybe good
Walls is the name of the episode. That's better.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
That's a better title episode than because you're gonna look
at the dear Life and be like, what.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
The fuck is that? The good Walls they're clicking, they're clicking. Also,
good luck trying to spell the name Deirdre. No try.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I mean, there's no right or wrong answers to thing,
but go this is the way you spell. Okay, okay,
d well, let me do it like it's a spelling bee.
We should have a lost couple spelling being that day,
we should definitely do a Lost Coach spelling that's really good.
And it's like your word is sure zinger and it

(29:14):
has to then everyone has to be like, can you
use it as a sentence icle Nicole.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Glorious Glorius wanton as was what's her face? I just
that's a Norman Desmond nor Desmond Glorious wants to play.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, don't worry, honey, because when it comes next year
on Broadway, we're going we're seeing Norma. Was I saying, oh,
this is how you spell it deirdre d I e
r d r E Deirdre.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
I would say that is that is my spelling as well?
Should we text Julio and see how he spells it?
I'm texting him right now, Julio. Okay, I'm actually gonna
see see you too.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Okay, great, see you, Julio. We are talking about how
do you you spell?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:02):
No, I guess I'm gonna have to spell it the name?
Are you texting him separately when I'm on this one time?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
But I'm on the thread with you? Okay, how do
we get across what made let's let's voice them yea, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, dear dra.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Hold on, oh but here's here's here's how Apple dictation
spells it okay, how d E I? No, that's so stupid, honey,
d E I R D R E doctor dre.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Okay. I don't think that there's any way that he's
going to come back and say, d E I R
D R E. Well, I don't want. I hope his
phone and I'm sure it doesn't. I hope his phone
does not have the dictation, sort of like the transcription,
the audit transcription. Julia has not updated his phone since
twenty seventeen. That reads he probably should. He has ten

(31:01):
thousand unready emails. You're fucking kidding? How many do I have?

Speaker 2 (31:04):
This? I shouldn't talk. Wait, how many I have? Oh
my god, you're not gonna help me. How many number?
I'll tell you my number first. No, this is really scary. Actually,
do you know how many? How many unread emails?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I have? Thirty five thousand, six hundred eighty nine? Go on,
I'm not kidding. Look, thirty five thousand, six hundred eighty nine.
How have you not gone mad? Because let me tell
you something about my inbox and I'm looking at it
right now. It is all bullshit.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's all sag after communications American Express that's Delta Airlines,
lift receipts, Google Calendar, I get like Google calendar emails.
Don't ever say anything about the union being bullshit, No, no, no,
I just mean what they're sending me is bullshit.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Sure you need not bait. You need to scroll down
and click on subscribe on these hose.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I know, I know, and trust me, I never wanted
to be like this. You think I ever wanted to
be sad in the summer thirty five thousand, six hundred
eighty nine emails in my in my Gmail, unsure of
how to spell a Deirdre single.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
You're about burnt out. This is about to be an
episode of Hoarders where I'm showing you the dead, flattened cats,
the carcasses, and you are screaming, crying, running out of
the house. We need to go through this email account.
But meanwhile, totally fruitless at this point. But meanwhile, I
think you're so on top of the email.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I am on top of all the important ones, anything
that we're on together, anything that needs my attention, I
respond immediately.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I'm just telling you.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I get so much bullshit in here, like so much
bullshit in here. Who the fuck is Scott Dwarkin And
why do I need to know from him that Kamala
Harris picks Tim Waltz for VP. I have like literally
Instagram for that. I can hear from Kamala herself. God knows,
she texts me on an automated message three times a day.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
You gotta stop. You gotta stop to quit those, babe.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
It's like Weeds, though, you stop to quit one six
more pop up, Nancy Pelosi, I lose my number. I'm
so grateful for you and what you've done to get
Waltz picked. Don't text me.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I thought you when you said Weeds. We're gonna talk
about the two V show. The handle box is on
the heelside. It the theme song of Weeds. Yes, I
never really watched Weeks. Oh. I loved the first three
three seasons were good. The season four they were they
were trying to make it new and fresh. They I
think they moved to Tijuana or something.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember them rebooting a lot Like now,
It's like, aren't they supposed.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
To reboot it? Oh yeah, I think they are.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Supposed to like fully bring it back. And I'm like, so,
what is she gonna start selling like cocaine? Like because
weeds a whole fing.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Weeds are kind of thanks to people like Tim Walls. Yeah,
it ain't no thing.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
It ain't nothing. I mean, like we can literally walk
outside into the corner.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Start. By the way, you've never smoked weed, like the
weed you can get on the street in New York.
I'm telling you, I don't really get it off the street.
Oh I do.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
You're talking about like the shops. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm
not talking about like calling the girls.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
The shops are like okay, meanwhile, shout out to the
travel agency. But all the weed shops love.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I'm not even talking about like any of the boutique places.
I'm talking about like the walk into a place like
a bodega and they have shit that's like.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Rolled and Keith, Yeah, you're on planet Moon. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
And I swear to you, Jared Praeter, the biggest stoner
I know, he can't handle the weed that I smoke.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
That's saying something. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
And by the way, I'm also aware of the fact that,
like I do have this big major vice, which is marijuana.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
But I won't give that up. No, no, no, no.
And I don't know what it's telling you. Seventy my
heart is not telling you get that up.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
And I did ask you that I was like a
seventy five hard making me stop smoking weed.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I did take a peek at the subreddit. Unfortunately, not unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
It's seventy five hard subreddit. It's a whole thing and
people are and why. I just looked up like seventy
five hard can you smoke weed? And people and there's
a whole there's a bunch of threads on reddit, and
the people in the comments were like, well, the guy,
this big mean guy who invented it, who like confronts
you on the on the ogham, he goes the reason
they tell you to give up alcohol is to like

(35:00):
get out of the brain fog, and we kind.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Of gives you the same thing. But I'm like no,
but we kind of like we'd opened up something for me.
Alcohol like fucking shuts it down.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, you know, for me, it's like a weed actually
like makes me come down to a normal level because
my anxiety is out of control. But like, remember when
we were asking them, we went to that museum and
they had that Robbie Williams exhibit. Yeah, do you remember
that one room where it was a picture It was
like a picture of someone's head and there was like
a million thoughts in the head that were like this

(35:31):
is me. When I go into a social interaction, you felt.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Like you were looking to the day of mirror. I
was so shook by it. I was like we were stoned.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
No, we weren't, but I was just like, this is
the reason why I look for ways to quiet things down,
like is because there is I can't stop thinking, I
can't stop my like inside out too. When anxiety, played
by my Alehac like took the wheels and like drew
up the five hundred things that could happen, like in

(36:03):
your brain at any given time, based on any event
that may happen, I was like, that is so what
it is. And I think that's why sometimes, like in
a self assessment, it feels like I leave things like
whether shows we're doing, sometimes this podcast, or like social
interactions I have, and if I assess myself, I'm like, wow,

(36:24):
you really did the most, Like you're exhausted. That's just
like my anxiety like responding in a way where it's
like do more fill the space, like don't let there
be silenced. That's don't be boring.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
That's you flushing the thoughts in your head. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, It's just been really interesting to deeply understand that
that is the way that my social anxiety manifests in
a way that probably no one would ever think I
have it, but I have it so bad and it's
incredibly hard for me to get out of the house.
And then when I get somewhere, I'm seeming fine because

(36:58):
I'm going a mile a minute and turn the charm
on one hundred percent and like, am you know me?
But like then I leave and I'm like exhausted, and
I feel like I never really knew that people identified
with it in that way. I just thought I was like,
you know, crazy and at ten and like was me
Matt Rogers like a heightened person? But like I'm now understanding,

(37:18):
and honestly, Robby Williams exhibit helped me realize this, Like, oh,
this is like an anxiety response I'm having, like I'm
not comfortable and so that's why I can't slow down.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Anxiety is also like a future focused thing. You are
just accounting for all all these different outcomes. I feel
like you are constantly thinking about the future because and
I don't know if this sounds silly, but it's like
I think it's because you constantly have literally a flight

(37:49):
to catch, because you know, when you know, when you
have travel plans and like you're kind of like thinking
about it's like what the scaries are and stuff. It's
like you just like have a different place I used
to be in a matter of days, and that is
going to put you in that space constantly.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I completely understand why you feel that way based on
what I project, because I think when I'm around like
any of my friends or anyone else, like I want
people to think like I'm moving, I'm going because when
I am by myself, all I think about is the past.
So like when i'm I get so stuck. Oh my god,

(38:27):
I get so stuck in like what like what's happened
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
I can't like that.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I feel like I have to, like then like put
so much on the schedule and stuff like that. Like
it's just like a lot and I can never just
like sit like in a moment, so I can never
enjoy anything. I'm sorry, No, I'm sorry, Matt.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I mean, like I didn't even mean to be like this,
What do you mean, because we don't mean to be
like any now.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I like will start judging myself for doing this on
the podcast. Girl, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I think I'm just like because now tomorrow I'm leaving again,
and I'm like, I don't.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I just trying to figure out, like this is what
I'm saying, Matt, like, you have you have no literally
no grounding. Yeah, true, you have. You're you're living the
deer tore lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Lifestyle is chipping away at me. I think because it's
been like a year and a half it and it's
connected to other things and it's just like yeah, but
I I literally will be fine because I think the
fact that I'm even able to acknowledge all this stuff
means a positive thing. Like I think, like like the
damn breaking a little bit of emotionally is good and

(39:50):
you and I think that alcohol will make me very
sad when I'm in this state, like I feel, I
kind of feel like them around Beverly Hills and Kyle
Richards was like, I can't.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Afford to be tired and said in the morning, I
can't drink. It's dark.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, I know it's for me. It's I don't think
it's that dark, but it is like I do get that.
I'm like, I can't add the extra thing right now
of like right.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Way would you like if that's like if that's the
toggle or if that if that like flips the switch,
then like there's no reason to do it. Yeah, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I also think it's just like like a myth that
it's something you need, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
It's like it's it's really not well, this is what
people point out all the time, especially and like AA
is like it's so hard because it is literally shoved
in our faces constantly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I'm just thinking about us like doing absolute vodka. Sure,
I mean like, but that's that's not no, that's to
have a nice celebratory time. And guess what I think
that every now and then have a causma back to me,
back to the check. I Julio answered, what the fuck

(41:07):
is that? He's no, he just he just sent back
d E I R D R E I dere tell him,
tell him, yeah, this is too much.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
You are indulging. Yeah he is. He is being very
indulgent as he's want to do as he's wanted to do.
We love him for that. Anyway, I will not continue
to drag this into the depths. No, but see, this

(41:41):
is what what is this instinct of not wanting to
talk about this unless you really don't feel comfortable talking
about it. I think the instinct to not want to
talk about it is just well clearly I did talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
So and it's it's been the way that I'm feeling
for like kind of a while. And I think that
maybe the reason for like a new connection with Lana
del Ray. But I will say this, all the music
that I'm listening to actually is starting to terrorize me.
It's starting to chase me around. So talk about this.
So I need to get out of the loop that
I'm in because all the all the like and this

(42:13):
is I literally think, and this is something Spotify you
I I need a Spotify. I need to like wipe
it clean and just start fresh. I don't know how
to do that because literally it's like it's like.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
There's a whole place in the New York about how
this Spotify user experience is actually really damaging and it's
like not sorry, we love we love your Spotify, but
also like the way the user experience is designed does
not incentivize you to discover new things.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
It literally the other day, Bowen, I was in a
bad mood, and I swear to God, I love I
love her so much. I love her so much, Lana.
But I did not want to listen to chapelone again.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
I understand.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I did not want to listen to Espresso again. I
understand I actually needed a little bit of a break
from tortured Bowet's. It was making me too sad. I
didn't want to look, and then I literally looked. It
was almost like I couldn't find new music. Oh It's
almost like I was like Spotify would only regurgitate to
me things that I had listened to before, are things

(43:16):
that were exactly the same, right, And I'm like, wait,
it really boxes you into this zone and keeps you
there so that it can identify more easily what you like.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
This is this is the James seamous thing. Yeah, Like,
at a certain point, you go, I don't want any
of this right now, none of it.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
It's it's dating apps, it's shopping online, it's it's streaming.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
It's like, it's this is.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I'm sorry, I forget about how dating apps has attacked
me recently.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I'm harping on this so much, but to talk about
this forget about it. Just it's almost like it's actually scary.
It's almost like, well, I'm not going to see this person. Boom.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Well I'm not going to see this type of person. Boom,
Well I'm not going to This is never this will
never happen. Boom. It's just like I hate feeling so
known and basic by my devices, you know what I mean.
It's like it will literally make you feel like the
smallest person in the world your phone. And this is
another Gabe Leban shout out from his seminole stand up

(44:16):
album HII. But this was before like we had like
a common like discourse around algorithms and shit, like it
came out like twenty fourteen.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I want to say, I might be getting the date wrong,
the year wrong. But he has a he has a
whole joke where he's like, it's creepy how Netflix finds
out that you're gay because you don't tell it that
because he goes meanwhile, like I go on Facebook and
I'm like, I'm Gabe and I'm a big old Helmo
And then the whole right thing of my screen is.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Tank toptops for sale, which was just which just like
this is the thing though, It's like, why does it
feel like an insult?

Speaker 2 (44:57):
It's does it feel is because it makes because it
makes you feel your interests are very limited, That's what
it is. And I know that's not true about myself. Yes,
And I honestly think, if I'm to be very real,
I think it hurts this podcast sometimes.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Of course it guys, We're like, what we're talking about
the same shit.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I feel redundant and boring, and so sometimes I'm just like,
you know what, it might be nice.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
For some app to force me to read a book.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
And I have, really I've been trying to put myself
out there in regard I honestly a lot.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Of it with self protection.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
And pop music is a drug, and especially as it
gets shorter, it's like a little tiny hit that's supposed
to make you feel better in a second. And guess what,
a lot of these girls are really good at it
and doing it in elevated ways. I think that's what
pisses me off kind of about woman's world is because
it's trying to be nothing and so therefore it is

(45:52):
and when it gets in my ears, I'm like a
little insulted. I'm like, this is such bullshit and garbage
nothing that I feel like you thought you really could
get away with it, and you used to actually challenge
the pop landscape Katie Perry, Like, I'll say again, like
when you came out with I Kissed a Girl, everyone
was like, who's that? What's she all about? That's a
new perspective, this is a new sound, this is a

(46:14):
new thing. She's like a warped tour like pop Girl.
It was like a new fresh thing. Now she's it's
a woman's world. And I'm sorry. I know that Lifetimes
is better, but it's the same thing, you know what
I mean. Her second single is called Lifetime. I get
that it's like a better song and it's not as
like on the nose vanilla like, but it's also have

(46:38):
you not heard it yet?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Heard it?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
She's pushing it like they're already moving on to the
second single because the first one was such a flop.
But even that song, like, yeah, you could definitely turn
this on into a gay party and we could all
like not think about it, and sure, it's just ambious.
It's not doing anything.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I mean, first of all, I want to say, made
the switch over to Apple Music, enjoying it, but that
might turn to do the same thing so far, not
because it's reminding me of iPod days, okay, and I
happen to like some discovery stuff on there. There's an
app called song Shift that'll just import your whole Spotify

(47:16):
library over to Apple if you want that. But it
sounds like you want to start fresh, which maybe, but
like whatever, it's there for you if you want. I've
been like dipping into techno, like Ven from Bergheim, like
curating a techno playlist and I'm like, oh, like like
he has on Apple and I'm just like listening to it.
I'm like, this is perfect. This is perfect. Every day
doesn't feel like like what you're saying, like a quick

(47:36):
hit of something. It just feels it is intentionally ambient
rather than like deceptively ambient in the way that like
Lifetimes might be like put it on a gay party
and I guess we'll just like do other stuff while
that plays. Techno is like I'm reading to this and
it works, or I'm just like doing washing the dishes
to techno and if it's a vibe and I'm like
this is like there's an authentic thing to this kind

(47:58):
of music and to listening to music and way where
you're like, this is just to put on in play.
It's like putting on a vinyl on on the fucking
record player and all you can do is drop the
needle and let it play. And like if you're fussy
with like skipping a track, it's like you're not really
supposed to do that. You're supposed to just let it
play continuously. That is what we are kind of missing
right now. Am I making sense? No, yeah, it is.

(48:21):
It doesn't make sense to me, But we're about to
say something.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I think because it exists and breathes, whereas like pop music,
like it's literally a little hit, it's picks and valleys.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
It's like drugs and some of.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
These girls are drug dealers and they're incredible. I think
Sabrina Carpenter is an amazing drug dealer.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's a real culture. Number seventy.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
I think is an amazing drug dealer because she keeps
you hooked.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
I mean please.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
And now do you hear the new song what's called
slim Pickens?

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Oh uh huh? Like out it's there's an acoustic version
that she performs at the Grammy Museum with Jack Antonov.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
That's like out there. We'll listen to it after this.
But she's just like she's she's super smart and funny,
and I think the album is gonna be great. I
think you know what it is. Like we've been talking
about how this year is like the year of pop gurlies,
pop girlies, pop gurlies, that there's been so much that
it's been all I'm consuming, and then suddenly my Spotify
is like your one thing. You are one thing. It's

(49:23):
not anyone's fault, like that works there or whatever. It's
just algorithmic and I get it. Like, but even on
YouTube and stuff, which is how I've ended up getting
a lot of my news, it's like you forget you
have other interests than the three things that they send
you on YouTube. Yeah, if people are identifying with this, Holly,
if you hear me, Holl, I think people have to

(49:44):
be though, because that's like the way the internet works, and.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
It's dehumanizing right in a very literal way. It's like, oh,
you think I'm an ATM and I buy three things
not metaphor doesn't really make sense an ATM and I
buy three things, like you think I'm an ATM and yeah,
I whatever, you know what I mean. It's like I

(50:09):
spin out money or you're an ATM and you think
I come to you for there's only one thing, sure exactly,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
No, you're an ATM.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Also, what you're what you're talking about is really obsessing
over the past and then having anxiety over the future.
Like literally, what's missing? Not to sound this is so
fucking irolly, but like what's missing is like a presence,
you know, like it was like and that you should

(50:39):
be present, Yeah, and breathe. It's the only sort of
a conscious and unconscious thing process in the body, you
know what I mean. It happens if you think about
it happens if you don't.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Well, it's like I think I used to like call
it like manifesting. I was like, oh no, I'm not
like fixated on like what's gonna happen. I'm just manifesting,
you know what I mean. But that's like and that's
always worked for me, you know what I mean. It's
just like lately, I don't know, I'm just I'm just.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Changing speak of YouTube. And I really hope this populates
a lot of people's algorithms. Look up the School of Life.
I think I've told you about this, and I've told
I think I've mentioned this on the pod. But they're
this like really cute British company and they like sell
books at urban outfitters and shit, and it's like little
journals and they're really good actually, and I sound like
a teenager. But they make videos too about how like

(51:33):
an early bedtime is actually really nice. I love it
and I love but then that, but then that all
leads to like, at a certain point in life, you
realize that like a simpler life is the answer to everything.
An early bedtime you just watch what you eat every
now and then, not for like any like vanity project,
but just as a way of just like taking care

(51:55):
of yourself. I don't know. It's like a really lovely thing.
And like when I went through that whole moment last summer,
I was reading their books, I was watching these videos
and I was like, oh, this is a comfort. Do
you remember when we saw Varta Jean at the Errorstour.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
At the Crown and Anchor and at one point she
leaves the stage and the piano player played Miley Cyrus.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I know I used to be crazy. I know I
used to be fun. I was like, on the first
it's such a good song. It's great that Miley cyrus
that Miley loves that song. Adele Adele, I.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Think Patrick, I think House was telling me that Adele's
only shouted at two people at her Vega shows, Miley
for I used to be young and Sabrina Carpenter yep first.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
So yeah, yeah, yep. Adele gets it.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Adela Spotify too when it's feeding her the same shit.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Too, do you think?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Oh yeah, I will say like, this was not to
knock any of my girls.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I was just in a in a moment.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I was within an hour where I was like, you
know what, Chapel, I've been listening to you not.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
That this moment is indicative of something. Yes it is.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
It's just me wanting to like expand a little bit
more and feel like a little bit more comfortable and secure,
that's all. And like I think being like sort of
attacked on the internet by the things that you associate
with a bad time is not great.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Like, it's a lot of this music that's like emotional
and like really puts me in my feelings about things
I've been through and I'm like I don't want to
hear that song again.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, like I know, I don't want to hear this
song again.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I know, like leave Me Alone Coffee by Chapelone, Oh
beautiful song so good.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
After this. But anyway, let's actually do I don't think so, honey,
and you go first, because it's gonna kick us into
a conversation about a cultural topic.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I was, Yes, I'm doing that for later. Oh you're
doing that for later? Yes, okay, got it?

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Does that make sense? Yes, it makes sense. And Anna
are gonna go. We have some work to do, and
then we have to go to Watch It Happens Live.
We're doing Watch It Happens Live.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
We're gonna be on this Sunday, and then they're having
us do I don't think they're having things on it, okay,
So then I don't want then I want to say
one thing okay on this podcast because I don't know
how much of it we're gonna have to be able
to get out.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Let me go on Watch It Happens Live. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yeah, all this hysteria about needing to reboot The Real
Housewives of New Jersey, guys, calm down. There is a
very clear answer here to what needs to happen. Theresa
Judaice is married to a man who is dark, toxic, weird,
and potentially a little dangerous. So as long as she

(54:48):
is on the show, her storylines are gonna be dark, toxic, weird,
and a little dangerous. And Jen is her lackey and
completely spinning out and clearly miserable and acts like a
seventh grader in the way that she treats people and
the way that she talks to people and the way
that she interacts with the world around her. They are

(55:11):
the only thing besides Jackie who's like, well, I don't
even know what happened. It's so disappointed, but obviously never
not coming back. And it's crazy because I've met Jackie
personally a couple times, and I just don't understand.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
What do you think she's doing.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
You met her and her husband, Adam glad the Gladawars, Yeah,
And then I met her at pravocand I've always thought
she was lovely and smart and great, and I just
don't understand a single thing that she's done. And I
hope everything's okay. But my thing with the two of
them is it's just like they're the cancer here. They
are the problem. Teresa and Jen. You have a great

(55:46):
show there with Rachel, Danielle, Dolores, Jen Fessler, Margaret and Melissa.
That's like a six people right there, and then cast
a couple new women the reboot of it all. It's like,
you don't need to do that, especially when you have
already large group of women with working dynamics.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Did you see Dolores when she was.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
In the the well, You guys didn't see this yet,
but we saw it anyway. It's so clear Dolores actually
enjoys one group more than the other, but for some reason,
she has to pretend that she likes Teresa and Jen
more than the rest of them, and it's to her detriment.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Being Switzerland is overrated. I think it's something that's worked
for her entire life. But that's the thing too, It's
like you're not making a decision right, there's no conviction.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
And I think that if she's exhausted by being in
the middle, that's something she can fix for herself. But
I also think Dolores Ktanya and I think I like
this about her all right. I understand this about her.
She has a difficult time letting go, and I think
that she's getting better at it in her personal life
and stuff. But you know, she was so close to

(56:51):
Frank for such a long time, and you understand why
she's not going to like toss someone like Teresa out.
They've been like lifelong friends. But like right is right
and wrong is wrong, and there's a lot of right
and wrong here. The last thing I'll say on the
issue is if Dolores Ktanya is taking off my television screens,
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I'm no longer a Bravo fan, and I do want
to publicly. Maybe I'll do this on the show on
what it happens. I do want to There's been documented
moments of me questioning your love of Dolores. Yeah, there
is on video. No less, and I have to say
now that I've really like committed to New Jersey. I
totally get it. What a fabulous No. We just worked

(57:35):
it out on the remix. We did just work it
out on the remix. Should we do all of things? Money,
Let's do it. This is I don't think Soney. This
is where we take one minute to rail against something
in culture. Matt, do you want to go first? Sure?
I'm also happy to know I have something good, Okay,
this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as
time starts now, I don't think so honey. Everyone hounding
me on my Instagram reel where I eat the steamer.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
It's a steamer clan. People don't seem to know what
it is like. People are fascinated by this type of food.
I'll explain it to you so you don't have to
say I don't think so honey.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
I know what this is.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
A steamer clam is a soft shell clam that is
served in like a garlicky broth, and it's they pop
open and what you do is you take the tail off,
you dip it in some water to clean off the
steamer because sometimes there's still some stuff from the sea,
sand and stuff. You clean it off, You dip it
in butter, and then you eat the sucker. Sometimes this

(58:25):
steamer clam can be quite large. And we were in Provincetown,
and I don't think so honey, that anyone was going
to eat this big one but me. So I said,
remember how big that steamer was?

Speaker 1 (58:36):
A big steamer.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
The one was the person that recorded this, and I
put that in my mouth and I wanted it recorded,
so I could show people my culture. So I don't think,
so honey, all us are coming from my culture research.
They did serve that at the restaurant. They serve it
all around the Northeast and around the country. Go get
yourself a steamer clam. I do think so honey. They're delicious,
And that's one minute. I love steamer. I've think about
steamers my whole life. But you are really doing a

(58:59):
lot of I guess, educational work and telling people what
these things are. And I think that I obviously it
was an on if you go to my Instagram, less
real that I posted it's this one. Yeah, but it
was an uncommonly large one, like everyone at the table was.
It looked even bigger in person.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
It was huge. It was huge. You are really a
true Pisces. You are a child of the seas. I'm
of the sea, I'm of the waters. I love that.
That's one of my favorite textual things about you is
that you are you grew up by the ocean. I'm
a nautical and pown is like so my culture, I think.

(59:38):
But I think my my number one moment being there
was eating that steamer, but also tied with us watching
thirty Rock oh my god. We went back and watched
thirty watching Dirty Rocks. We we went to a house
and then we were like, let's go back home and
watch thirty Rock because I I've always been obsessed with
this joke and I finally had to get there, get
the get the wording right for the quotes. But it's

(59:58):
it's a lane stretches Jacks mom Colleen and she she
meets Lizz's family. I think this is a Ludica Christmas
episode from season two, and they go they go out
to eat together. I like a restaurant thirty Rock in
the concourse, like some like chili style place, and then
she she just goes it's so hard to choose. The

(01:00:21):
photos of the food looks so good, like it's like
a perfectly calibrated trick. It's like not too jokey, but
it's like so in character for that, for that scene
and for her, and oh I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I mean we also watched The Queen of Jordan Jordan,
which where was Sherry Shepherd's Emmy? Where was Sherry Shepherd's
Emmy for the Queen of Jordan? Tell me now, explain
it to me. I don't understand. That was amazing that
episode of TV is incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I wanted to be a singer ever since I was
a little Drumglas booked a recordings to you last night?
What did what was her name? Randy? Randy said something
at one point that was completely insane. After my second
husband shot me for the second time. After my second
husband shot me for the second time, I knew that
love with you watching Lynn and it was up watching

(01:01:18):
Lynn and Frank work out their differences. I offered to
rent out my strip Lotties studio that I got after
I after I got money from the city after that
cops shop. Here's something she just her character game is
that she just keeps getting shot by people. It's so crazy.
Also Portia, I don't care what anyone says. I keep
them three D glasses and then don't do impressions about

(01:01:46):
the races, Sherry Shepherd. That line delivery from Sherry don't
do impressions about the races? Good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Obviously, there's you know the famous my single my single
is Dropping has dropped, one of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
The cleanest, purest, simplest jokes. Pors reads the papers. She
reads the piece my single my single is dropping is dropping?
Is the for sales two shoes never worn. It's like
it's a full story. Wait.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Wait, Also, this is the beginning of the scene where
she's shopping and she goes, I need to look good
for my party, and I refuse to wear anything in
my size or appropriate for my age.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Would go I happen to be a Christian illiterate. We'll
donate to the Obama campaign. We support you, Setta, we
support Yousett. I'm sorry, but I need a mental rule
of culture. My single, my single is dropping, is the
for sale baby shoes never worn of jokes? Yeah, really good, Okay,

(01:02:44):
let's do it. What rule of the country is that two?

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
My single Dropping is dropping? Dropping is the for sale
sale baby baby shoes never worn.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
It's a full story. It tells the story to getting
middle Woman. It really does. My single, my single is drop,
I dropping it? Okay, Oh I had I just had one?
Oh no, damn it. I hate this feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
What is this feeling? So sudden and new? I felt
the moment I forgot why? I don't think so honey.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, are you ready queen it? Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
All right, this is gonna be Bowen Yang's I don't
think so honey, and his time starts now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I don't think so, honey. I don't mean to kill
these plants, and yet I do. I am trying to
keep this snake plant alive. No, sorry, not the snake plant.
This I'm oh. I think it's an Indian dragon tree.
I might be making that up hold on them. See,
maybe this is maybe this is the problem to begin with.
I don't even know the names of these things, and
I I am not gonna here's the thing. I'm not

(01:03:45):
gonna name these plants because I it's so hard to
say goodbye, and then I'm gonna feel even more guilty
for killing them. It's a song of India. The leaves
keep yellowing. I water so diligently. I am on a schedule,
on an app on Planta. I am. I am making
sure these plants stay alive. And for the most part
they are. But this song of India is really hard

(01:04:06):
and I it's a huge, heavy pot and I'm pretty
I'm like eighty five percent sure there's a hole in
it for drainage.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
But I need some help. I need the plant doctor
to come into my house. If you take house calls,
plant doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Come on over. That's one minute. I will say it
looks pretty healthy to me. There's some yellowing. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
That has to be a pretty complicated guy to keep it.
It's tear down, but it should. It's a little bare
bones and I want it to be more lush, and
it's a little anyway. It seemed better days. Yeah, I
would say, don't be too hard on yourself. You're doing
the best that you can. How many times do you
water it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
It's like once every eight days. It doesn't need that
much water. And yet and it's in a good spot.
I mean it's right in the winds, right in the window.
It's fine. I'll all figure it out. What about this one?
These are flowers that I get every week that I
give a week plant that's flowers flower? Okay? The difference, Well,
this has been an episode of last cult that we

(01:05:06):
will remember. I think it was releasing the valve a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
I had to release the valve a little bit. I've
kind of been releasing the valve every day and you
have to Yeah, isn't that weird? Like sometimes you just
really are more emotional than other times. Like I remember,
like a few months ago, I couldn't even I couldn't
even think about creating tears.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
I'm like every day, I'm jealous of y'all. Y'all motherfuckers
who cry. I cry. I love to cry. I'm that Pisces,
Pisces cancer, and that's who I am. I'm a Scorpio down.
The only wetness comes out of the other end, totally fun,
dripped drip drip on hardwood floors and dens across the board. Anyway,

(01:05:50):
we and every single episode of the song, Oh No,
I used to be crazy, Hona used to be one,
I used to be wild. Because you don't know the song,
I know it, Bye bye Last Culture. Racis is the

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Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive
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Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
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