"Me Rolling" (w/ Matt + Bowen)

And on today's Las Cultch: an examination of We've Reached Peak Gay Sluttiness, the new piece written by Steven Phillips-Horst for The Cut, thoughts on the new South Park, and Sabrina Carpenter as a Rorschach test. Also, thoughts on SC's latest album Man's Best Friend, Parvati and Cirie's Australian Survivor takeover, the theatrical achievement that is Lady Gaga's The Mayhem Ball, and US Open culture. All this, RHOP trailer thoughts, Karen Huger a free woman, the viral Dubai chocolate and Mother Goose. She's f*cking weird!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look, oh, I see you look over there is that culture. Yes,
loves culture, Ding loves culture. I said, okay, me rolling.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Oh yeah, you know I always say I'm rolling, and
then Matt goes, okay, me rolling.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I don't ever say that, though, but this time I
said me rolling.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
You know I'm saying I usually say okay, I'm rolling,
or you sam rolling.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
One of us says I'm rolling, and the other one
says me too, And that's maybe I meant to say
me too, and I accidentally said me rolling, which is
literally a front under a title of that me roll rolling. Well,
I think that's a great new hashtag too. Hashtag me
rolling really really really good. When we're out at the club,
at the party. You know, nightlife in New York City,

(00:52):
it's never been better. It's never been better. I mean,
you know, there's much written discourse about we're getting right
into it. We're speaking about Stephen Phillips. Horst wrote a
piece on I guess, gay partying and gay sex for
New York Magazine.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
The headline was, have we reached peak gay sluttiness? Mm
hmm in an age when you know, supposedly we're you know,
young people are having less sex than ever. Seems like
cis gay guys are doing plenty of it based on
these advances in drug, party drug technology, party drug.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Technology also frontruner for title of up. Yeah, it was
really fascinating because I was reading this and I was
seeing all the discourse about an online which you know,
all credit to the piece, which I did feel was
well written and accurate to an extent. We'll talk about it.
But the most interesting thing about the whole thing to
me was the variety and intensity of reactions and the

(01:49):
discourse about the piece. I guess that's a six that
makes it a successful piece and in terms of what
it's trying to accomplish. Sorry, keep you going to cut
you off? No, no, no, But it was fascinating because
at the same time I was, you know, observing all
of this and reading all this and internalizing all this.
It feels like it hit the news extra hard, just
how little sex gen Z and Jen Alpha is having.

(02:11):
Like I was watching this, the young Turks and Jentanalfa,
we can give them a little bit of wait with
Jen Alfha, they're too young to fuck right, Like I
actually don't know which is which I'm gonna say, just
to just to air on this air on safety, like
maybe maybe we shouldn't think about Jen Aalpa fucking just yet. Okay, Nos,
I guess let me just come out and say, I

(02:32):
don't know how old that is. Like, so, so gen
Z how old? How young is the youngest gen Z?
Let's start there.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
So Jen Alpha, the cutof for Jen Alpha is the
current day either twenty ten to twenty twenty four or
twenty to thirteen to twenty twenty five. So the oldest
Jen Alpha person supposedly is fifteen years old.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Okay, so never fuck take it take it out? Take
it out. No, I don't even know if it needs
to be edited out, but like no, like I'm just saying,
like to take it out of the check from the records,
right from the record, please. But I was I was
watching something on the Young Turks about how people across
the board aged eighteen to twenty one, like forty eight

(03:12):
percent of them had not had sex in the last
year or something, or it was like three months to
a year. There was like some metric the people can
look it up, but suffice it to say. The big
headline was and this is something I observed, you know.
They were also they were talking about it because they
were talking about on MSNBC young people and people in
general are having way less sex. And then when I

(03:35):
read this piece that Stephen wrote, it was all about
I mean, the literal aim to get people talking was
gay community. Everyone is having more sex than you and
partying more than you, and like going for it and more.
We've reached peak. And it was just fascinating the reactions
that not only that headline generated, but then the specifics
of the article generator Sure.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean that thesis is I'm sort of the counter
that person because I'm literally in that article because I
saw him at a parton who was writing this, and he
asked me, and I was like, and I'm quoted as saying,
I've never had less sex than now. But I'm also
not a g queen. I got tying it to the
drug culture. So for people who don't know, GHB a

(04:17):
drug that must be taken in specific doses at specific times,
cannot be mixed to alcohol, more commonly known in the
past as the date rape drug. Not a roofie, but
lethal when combined with alcohol, potentially lethal and it kind
of gets you in a fucked up place. Quote unquote

(04:39):
that's the qualitative I guess way to describe it, so
that you can feel a certain kind of feeling without
drinking a certain amount of alcohol. Like you it's a
you know, kind of takes away the caloric aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, the coloric aspect goes away. You also don't feel
drunk the next people and just transparently bone and I
don't use g but obviously, if you read this article
and you know people in the gay community, it is
quite popular and people have their reasons for doing it,
and I think that those reasons being explored in the

(05:18):
article also made people feel a certain way. Yeah. It
also the article also touches a bit on like, you know,
different variants of like you know, cocaine and ketamine, et cetera.
Just like really kind of exhaustively goes through the behaviors
and activities related to and regarding gay partying and gay
sex because obviously these types of party drugs do open

(05:41):
the door to more sex, more party, more energy, et cetera,
everything in that regard. So what I thought was fascinating
about it, like I said, was it felt like like
I actually wrote I was taking notes on what people
were kind of saying because there was also a lot
of close friends going on. Well, I love picturing you

(06:01):
at a note, Pat, I just want to say, look
my notes. Bowen knows, I take notes. I'm taking the
old culture one of your collectibles, which is something that
I collect. But for your new apartment, you should strew
you should strew about the house strewn whatever little notepads
you collect from like hotels and stuff. Anyway, keep going.
These are some things I wrote down, and then afterwards

(06:22):
I think we can talk about how it made us feel.
But one feeling like, as a result of reading the article,
they're doing gay wrong for not engaging in this type
of partying, or feeling uncomfortable about this type of partying
and this type of sex being this loose. Like I
saw a lot of people and I talked to some
people who were expressing discomfort with the idea that yeah,

(06:43):
I'm insecure in my place in the community because I
don't do this. So that was one. Another was feeling
unfairly exposed by the specifics in the article, or like
it was betraying something to people who this wasn't for
So it's so nice to say, you know, seeing them
themselves in the article. Uh, feeling like perhaps it was

(07:04):
not for the eyes of people that were not in
these rooms and they felt a certain way about that. Sure,
then there is feeling like it's an accurate depiction of
the culture and validates why you're not in this type
of scene. So basically it's like, yeah, that's I'm not
that type of person. I see this. I'm happy this
was written because it just makes me feel like I'm

(07:26):
doing the right thing by not being in that part
of atmosphere. And then finally, at least this is what
I saw, feeling like it's accurate and potentially are you know,
not feeling sad about that behavior and not being like
regretful about behavior, but being ornery about what it reveals
at a time when judgment violence negative actually where it's

(07:48):
our community is at an all time high. So those
were so and then you know general being like yep,
that's it, haha, like well written, this piece capture something.
So it was the intensity of all that and the
surprising places where those reactions came from, that to me
was the most compelling. And I'm wondering if you identified

(08:08):
with any of those sub sects of reaction or if
you have a different take I.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Was gonna say most of those I think are valid.
Certainly the insecurity and doing gay wrong. I feel like
that is something that I think you and I constantly
bump up against, especially in the moment, even which I
think is a good thing to like understand it presently,
like while we are present in those situations, while we're
adjacent to those, we'll say, because again we've never speaking

(08:36):
as people who have like never partaken in those drugs,
I think there's a limited scope in that maybe, but
also but suffice it to say, which you have been
using a lot recently in our personal communications.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I love damning with that. I will suffice to say,
I'll keep going. It's like roaches, sort of like fleeing
the light. It's like there's something like the light should
not be beyond this. There's a reason why this is underground.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I don't think it has I don't necessarily think
it has anything to do with shame. I think it
more has to do with like, oh no, like this
is not meant for exposure, Like this is not meant to.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Be I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Like it certainly merits intellectualization, which everything does, but I
think like there's something about the fact that there's something
to protect. There's and there's nothing wrong with protecting this
FACETI of queer life, and especially in these times when,
like you know, you want to have some sort of
like outlet, like I understand that.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I think I don't quite know where I fall.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
On like demonizing gay people queer people in general.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
But you're not sure if you want to demonize them,
maybe they should A little bit.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Every day I wake up and I go, is this
the day that I demonize?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
It changes? I wavering over the d and ie button
at all times. But then I was gonna say something else,
Like my take is if it's.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Fraying the community in any way, then that I sort
of go, well, And I don't know if that was
like the intention. I don't think so, but I think
because because the discourse is so split, like I'm like, oh, well,
then I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
If I don't know if this is like healthy for
us to all disagree. I think it is healthy for
us to disagree. I actually think this is one of
the healthiest conversations that we've had in a while. I'm
really grateful about the piece because I think we do
need to talk about the way in which our community
has changed. And also, you know, Stephen, you know, makes
a note of saying several times, I'm thirty seven, I'm

(10:40):
thirty seven, I'm thirty seven. And I think that something
that maybe maybe this is intentional or maybe not, but
he's specifically talking about an age, yes, and he's revealing
a self consciousness about that age. I think. I think
that I applaud him for writing it because everyone's talking
about it, and I guess we're fans of Stephen by
the way, fantastic writer, fantastic comedian. Yeah, totally, And I

(11:03):
think if it's missing something because I do think it's
it's accurate, and I do, by the way, and I
say that also acknowledging I think it's accurate for a
part of the gay community. This clearly is not everyone.
I will cop to. I've never used G. I have
used K. I've done cocaine like Bowen, and I like,
we we've not done G, but we do, you know,

(11:25):
we are like in the community and have used these
types of drugs, some of them like the MMC three.
I didn't even really know what that was. So that's
like a spectrum in and of itself, Like you can
be a part of the gay community and be on
some spectrum here in terms of like you're not a
g queen, but you have recreationally like used and yeah,

(11:49):
like you know or are unaware of what that is,
or I may not even have called it the right
thing right now, Like I just know it's a bunch
of letters and numbers. But I think if some thing
is missing from the article, and again I think it's accurate,
I think it's funny. I think compassion is missing because
I think that something that I will peel back the

(12:10):
curtain on for people who maybe aren't in the queer community,
but especially in your mid thirties and you approach forty,
you're sad because the fact is, when you're in the
queer community, you don't get to start being yourself and
enjoying community until you find community and until you understand

(12:31):
who you are. And that happens at really different rates
for a lot of people. And what is something that
helps drugs and alcohol and historically, I mean this is
going all the way back, Like people convene and they imbibe,
and it helps them loosen up, and it helps them
open doors, it helps them express themselves all sorts of

(12:53):
ways do I think that some of this drug use
is getting out of hand. Has it changed relationships that
I have had in my life in all different facets.
Have I seen, like, you know, rationalizations for drug use
increase on unhealthy relationships, you know, personally and exterior. I've

(13:16):
seen that happen, and I do associate it with getting older,
and I think that issues become more glaring as you
get older. So yes, I think this is all true.
But I do think that it would have maybe been
helpful and maybe been a good supplement to the article
to just explore like why these behaviors may be happening,

(13:39):
because there is a little bit of a panic and
a sadness when you realize you're getting older and started.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Late, yes, and also having that coincide with a time
when there is this ambient political malaise and like a
loss of will and power and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Totally let's party, et cetera, because why the fuck not
because it doesn't look good, right, I totally agree.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
And there's also just like I don't know, like a
synthetic scientific aspect to this, where it's like it's, yeah,
it's being tweaked in a way that is meant to
like optimize. And that's why I like a lot of
like science workers that's not the right term, but a
lot of like key workers, science workers, a lot of
people who work in tech science, medical field, a lot

(14:25):
of people gamen who have those jobs. Tend to not
to generalize, but they are the ones who tend to
have knowledge, are literate and it, have access to it,
and you know, with that knowledge and access kind of
can regulate it for themselves in the short term. In
the short term, I'm going to go so far as
to say that, like, we don't know long term how

(14:45):
you regulate this because we don't.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Not that much time has passed. Oh no, I worry
about the bladders of people who I see doing ketamine
all the time. And it's not a judgment. It's the
farthest thing from a judgment. But when something becomes regular
in a community, like it's it's worth looking at, and
we don't have the answers to all of it. Gay

(15:08):
Uti skyrocketing, I think you think that's what it is.
I don't even know, like I mean, and I think
the thing too is just like I see it get
rationalized a lot in terms of like, oh, I'm not
just using it for partying. I'm using it for my
depression and then suddenly everyone's their own physician in a
way where I'm like, eh, I don't know, maybe it

(15:30):
is worth looking at. I don't think that anyone likes
it when and this is where the defense of reaction
comes in from me. I don't think anyone likes it
when A it's pointed out that they may have an
unhealthy relationship with something, of course, and B vanity is
pointed out, and I think it's dishonest to say that
it's not about that for a lot of people. Does

(15:52):
Stephn make this connection in the article that like, uh,
the reason for the popularity of g and a reason
why people rationalize it is because there's like an aesthetic
thing there like of course it plays into like the
body pascism of the gay community, which is objectively present,
like there's no and it did, it never went away.
In fact, it got, it got worse. It's the same

(16:16):
as it's always been, Like now we have the language
for it, and we're able to express that it's a thing,
you know, because we've all been emboldened over the past
ten to fifteen years. It feels like now that we've
gotten to a certain place to be like, Hey, we
all feel a certain way in these spaces, but that
doesn't mean those spaces don't still have a stronghold. Right.
I was gonna say, I think you YRK magazine.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I think in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, I remember
reading there was an article about how ketamine is the
drug of this time because of these similar reasons. It
feels more pronounced now obviously of like losing your political will,
losing power, only feeling empowered to make decisions in your

(16:58):
consumer life, in your I'm in literally what you ingest
or what you put into your body, Like ketamine is
the dissociative thing, is the representative thing in terms of
like this very dissociative time, right, I feel like we're
not necessarily in a dissociative time now. I don't think
we are in a time when people just want pure

(17:19):
It's cynical and it's disconnected and therefore like drugs that
kind of push you all the way to one extreme
seam appealing.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, have you watched elth Park? I watched the first
episode this season, but not the recent ones. In this
last episode, it's one of the fathers, like the lead
of the show that's the father with the mustache stands
dat yeah, yeah, stands that they get addicted to ketamine
and because he becomes like a tech he becomes like

(17:48):
a tech like emversario, because what happens is he's got
a weed farm, and then Ice shows up and arrests
everyone that works with the weed form. So then he
makes his weed form more of like a front facing
like you know, like tech center for and he gets
the kind of mean I really I finally caught up
on South Park, and I was like, wow, they really do,

(18:10):
like they find a way for it to be like
completely they still tell an incredible story at the end
of it, like the emotions that are yes, yeah, by
the end of all those episodes, you're like, oh, my
heart is broken. And I think I had forgotten that
about how effective South Park is. I just thought, oh,

(18:32):
they're rallying against Trump, they're ripping Trump a new asshole.
They're saying he is a small dick whatever and fucks
the devil, which is all in there, But then South
Park is so much more than that. It's really simple,
heartbreaking stories about what it would feel like to to
lose people in that way. To, you know, it's just
every episode has been outstanding.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I think my main takeaway from that first episode with
you know, Trump fucking Satan is not even the Trump stuff.
It is Cartman's response to like being horribly offensive and
bigoted about like that, about that taking something away from
him in terms of the way he stands out and
feels special and feels individualized in the world. Because if

(19:15):
everyone's saying the ursler and like everyone's saying faggot, Yeah,
it's like, well, what does that make him?

Speaker 1 (19:21):
You know, It's like that's that's that's a profound thing.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
And this is a character that we've been with for
twenty plus years, for like twenty five years now. Yeah, no,
it's it's an incredible show that there's never been any
doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I've I've been you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I think you and I have both kind of like
at different times just checked in with south Park like
it's it's I don't know. There was a time when
Billy and I Billy Domino, my old roommate, are our
dear friend and I would watch South Park as it
was aaron like right after college and like Cartman like
ingusting vagicil like in order to get ahead in like
women's sports, like it's all, it's all, it's all really profound,

(19:59):
sublime story and comedy.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Obviously, well, a lot of a lot of Cartman's like
storyline now is like people that are not capitalizing on
hateful rhetoric that that being his thing. I'm saying him
being really really really like aggravated that like people are
able to like, you know, grandstand and say this like
like horrid, this horrible acted stuff because he's like, that's

(20:23):
my thing. And it's like it's sort of a race
to be the spokesperson that says the nasty, garly stuff,
which you're right. When that becomes a rat race and
everyone is doing it, it loses it just becomes you know,
blanket awful and loses its individual power. It's just crazy.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
But for like Trey Parker and Matt Stone to like
be able to kind of like wink and say, like,
I mean, we were doing We've been doing this forever.
We have never back like this has been like a
strand or strain whatever in the show for as long
as it's been around. And for us to say like
this is fucked up, it's crazy that everyone feels like
that it's okay to say these words again, but we've
been saying it this whole time. But also we're gonna

(21:04):
if that's the case, then we're gonna say it. We're
gonna have every single character say this on the show.
Like it's I don't know, there's something really in terms
of like a media sort of like story, like it's
pretty incredible.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I don't know. I'm not saying anything. I'm not adding
anything to the conversation. No, I think it's all a comment.
It's all a com Yeah, it's interesting though, like just
speaking of like people being called certain things and having
a reaction. You can tell in this article. Just to
return to this for a second, Stephen's sort of referring
to people who aren't engaging in this type of drug
behavior and wearing like black mess shorts and a white

(21:37):
tank and a gold chain and like going to these
certain things, referring to anyone who's not like that, which
he kind of does as like a booted judge. He's
also meant to poke at people because it's like it's like,
what exactly are you saying when you call someone a
Buddha judge? You're like, and this is this has nothing
to do with what Pete Booted Judge is actually like
because we don't really know him. But there's the idea

(22:01):
that in order to get under people's skins reading it,
which I think made people in column one, which I
was saying earlier, like films like they're doing gay wrong.
Like if you're reading this and get the sense that
you're Buddha Judge, you're kind of like, oh, am I basic?
Like am I sexless? Am I boring? Am I? And
it's it is a way to like flick the fomo

(22:26):
of people reading this, which causes you know, obviously a
panic and an anxiety towards other people like and I
don't know, it's just which I don't think he needed
to do necessarily, but like I think was effective in
getting people to discuss this, because that's almost like the
worst thing you could walk away feelings like uncool for

(22:49):
a lot of people. That's might be where I fall.
I had a little bit of panic reading this, like,
because it is a little bit different now when we
go in these spaces, we can't really show up and
be acting no, like it's like even if we're with
people that are super duper duper fucked up. I feel
like a self consciousness, you know, it's it's just I

(23:09):
feel like I missed out on something or like like
you read this kind of debauchery, read this kind of
like like it's been years since I've been in the
dark room. I think I went in the dark room
once at Pegasus and like years ago in La after
we shot Fire Island, because I thought I looked good
and you know what I mean, Like I whatever that
shoot had like messed with me a little bit. So
I went and like went off in the dark room

(23:31):
and I had fun. And now it feels like that
would be harder to do so for lots of reasons.
And so that was like it made me read it
and be like, oh man, like this this culture, this
like Bacchanall type vibe, like maybe there is something to
it that I'm not a part of it. It did
it hit on something in me.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Was the Bacchanal episode of looking also something that really
made you look?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
In word, I don't really think about looking anymore. Maybe
I should. Maybe maybe it would be a good Maybe
that would be a good time, So like it might
be a good reward.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Looking is a great rewatch I started it I'm not
finished it, but I did it about like six months ago,
and I was like, great show, Like again, like this
is not this is not the gay life that I live.
But hhmm, interesting little anthropological study. And in terms of
like Stephen using or coining this Buddha Judge thing, like

(24:25):
because you love that way too, right, sure, sure, but
I'm not like and and like there is something like
that agitates in that sense that like I think in
purpose is sure and so, but this is also a
thing where like these distinctions and this kind of like
these separations have existed in the community.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
For like it's already, it's already there.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
He's just kind of labeling this phenomenon that's already happening,
has happened since the beginning of like gay tribalism and
like this like the seventies, like like I do wonder
like what life like right, like as like the matticking
society started or whatever, like the time when like queer
people were really together it seemed or no, that's not

(25:08):
even true because when we were in Marsha's biography I'm
written by Tourmaline, it's like Marsha p Jon's biography, It's like, oh, no,
I guess back then they were there was there's still
this like class divides and racial divides in the gay community.
So I'm like, I was just I was about to
like wax fictional nostalgic. I'm like, oh, there must have
been a time when like we were all on the
same level. And no, I mean, that's just that's just
the human condition. It's like we can't ever totally congeal

(25:31):
and coalesce. It's like these ways of like differentiating ourselves
from each other are just going to exist no matter what.
But like, I don't know, I think I'm I'm really
cheesy and most lately where I'm like.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Other people are always got not to be all fleabag.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
But it's like communities like the ale to like the
nihilism that we feel these days.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
It's like other people are all we've got period. Yeah,
one hundred percent. And I guess in terms of this
idea that maybe there was a time when the queer
canmunity was more whole and could you know, directly collaborate
with each other. I think we can, but it is
through discourse like this, it's less like we all can

(26:10):
acknowledge that there's a problem and we're all going to
move to fix it in a certain way. I think
the way that and why I think this piece is
net good. The way that we stay connected to each
other and understand each other is by communicating, and so
in that way, I think the piece is a big
win because we're talking about this thing that we can

(26:33):
all agree exists. And I think when people can start
getting real about the way not only the article makes
them feel, because the article is a symptom of what's
going on in the culture, but actually asking yourself how
you feel about this type of thing and why it
makes you feel that way. Maybe that's like an overthrapized

(26:54):
way of going about it. But lately I'm in my
efforts to become a better communicator, which I'm actively trying
to do this year, I'm always thinking, like, Okay, if
I feel angry about something, it probably means I feel
like threatened, sad, like like there's there's another emotion here.

(27:14):
And so some of the angrier responses I saw, one
of which was like I didn't even understand one word
of what this said. It's like you did, you did
understand what it was like like, And so instead of
dismissing it, and acting like it's something like how does
it make you feel? Like? And that's there's something useful
in that.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I absolutely agree. Sorry, I'm lenneing on my lips anyway,
give it a read.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Have we reached Pete Gay's Lightiness by Stephen Phillips, horse
Man's Best Friend by Syriena Carpenter Make you feel?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
It made me feel again, like ambiently interesting, like I
just put on the blood orange job.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
This is.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
This is my general take. It's just music right now? Yeah,
where are the hooks? I know who can save us?
Demitria Devon Lovado.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
We know she's gonna come save of us now. Honestly,
I do agree with you, Like when I was listening
to the album and I love Sabrina and this is
and this is this is a Subrina house. I love Manchild,
I love the man Child video. Was super excited for
this album and I enjoyed the album. I think it's
a great album. It felt to me like the creation

(28:30):
of this was something different than the creation of Short
and Sweet, Like Short and Sweet feels to me engineered
for pop domination like that, to me feels like we
created an album all bangers, Like you know, there was
something about espresso that announced her and then please Please

(28:54):
Please coming, and it was just to me that album
was had the goal of making her the pop superstar
that she is, and then I did, yeah, absolutely, and
then I feel Man's best friend coming so soon on
the heels of it did surprise me. But I think
that she is similar to Taylor Swift and that she

(29:15):
comes from a school of thought which is feed your audience,
and she's got a hungry audience and she was able
to keep creating and so she did, and she made
what I feel is a very like sonically cohesive piece
of work with you know, only a few people. She

(29:35):
said that it felt like they were writing it as
a band. I almost feel like it would have been
cool for her to do like Sabrina Carpenter and the
Blank Blank Blanks and release it as an album like
as a band, because it does feel like it was
made like in a different as in like a capsule,
in like a different way. And so when I'm listening

(29:56):
to it, I don't hear a lot of hits, but
I do you hear something that feels like a sonic
step forward and a vocal step forward lyrically, I think
maybe I'm interested to see the next thing she wants
to say, but I enjoy the album.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I think releasing this so soon after Short and Sweet,
and even Short and Sweet had like a reup with.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
The extended version of it, I think this is just
part of the play where she is adding another dimension
to her as an artist, because I think because this
like ascent to pop superstardom was so quickly achieved even
before Shorten Speak came out, it was done like espresso,

(30:42):
like Catapult.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, I think Man's Best Friend. I think is just
like adding another like I said, dimension to this, to
the way like the public sees Sabrina Carpenter were just
like okay, like really complex songwriter, not always chasing the hook.
And when I was saying where the hooks earlier, I'm
just saying, like, that's this is what I miss currently.
I feel like we've been in a desert of hooks.

(31:05):
But I think I agree with you. I think it's
a great album. I think I my favorite right now
is Don't Worry I'll make You Worry because it sounds
like this father John Misty song and like she's I
think she's doing the thing that she was even doing
in short and set where it's like, let me put
on different genre hats, inspiration influence hats. And I think
I think I don't think she was just setting out

(31:26):
to do a shortened suite follow up in the sense of.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Like pop pop pop pop pop pop pop. Yeah. No,
I think like the positive reaction to Coincidence on the
first album seemed to open a door here for her,
because I remember she said Coincidence almost didn't make the
first album, and then I think she said her mom
liked it a lot and really fought for it, and
she had people on her team that were like fans
of it, and so it made it and then became

(31:49):
such a fan favorite that I think it's like a
super exciting direction for her to go. And also slim
Pickens seems to be an impulse that she was following,
which is this sort of like seventies sort of pop
Dolly parton with a little Abba thrown in there, very retro.
I think my favorite track is track five, We Almost

(32:10):
Broke Up Again last Night, Like, I just love her
melody on this song, and I do think her singing
is the best it's ever been. I also like Nobody's
Son and never getting laid. There's like moments in this
where I'm like really blown away by what she's done,
and then there's moments where I'm like, Okay, this feels
just a little bit redundant from the first album. And

(32:31):
usually those moments are when we're making sex jokes. That
that's usually when I feel like that.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
I keep going back and forth on the innuendo double
entendra thing with her, because at the end of the day,
if you go back to the earliest comedy, like earliest
comedy like Aristophane shit, like Greek old comedy five BC,
they were just.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Making sex jokes.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
It's like, this is just like there's no there's no
such thing as like, oh, like we're culturally derelict if
we're all we're doing is like, you know, innuendo. It's
like that's not I need to, like I think people
should also maybe I don't know, like figure that out.
Is this another article about p K seluttiness. It's like, what,
like what is this?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Sex makes us feel very specific, complicated things, and I
think this is just a borschack test. I'm gonna say,
Sabrina Carpenter making with all little jokes about like tears
streamed down my thighs is a borshack test, it's an
ink blot.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I guess that's my thing too, is I'm like the
intense reaction towards it this time, which does and by
the way, like it's crazy how quickly people can react
to music. I thought this about Torch and Poets. I'm like, wow,
people are really sure they don't like this, and they
just immediately happened before it even came out on tip Top,

(33:55):
when it like kind oflyked like an hour before, like
the response from Stay accounts, so like Sabrina stand accounts
were like, we don't like it. It's like, well, wait
a minute, this is your girl, and also give it
give it a dare to ge. Yeah, you haven't listened
to it probably. I mean I even see it because
we know some of these people who react quickly and
they'll listen to thirty seconds of a song and be

(34:17):
like it's the flop era and I'm like, you have
to stop like it. And so I do think that
a lot of that is like unfairly informing a lot
of people's reactions and also the way they feel defensive
about it, like this is a great album. It really
is like I don't think that Sabrina and Co, particularly

(34:40):
this co, are capable of like bad work. I will
say I do understand the reaction to some of the
innuendos because I just don't think a lot of the
innuendo here is as effective as as it was on
the first album. Like I'm Gonna let You make Me
Juno is one thing. It's it makes it makes me laugh,

(35:03):
it makes me think, it surprises me, whereas Tears run
down my thighs is just a little bit more of
a reach, you know. So I also think it's like
people reacted to that element of her album in a
really enthusiastic positive way the first time, because it's possible
that just you know, maybe tears run down my thighs

(35:23):
it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
As well as the other one. I'm not saying tears
run down my thighs doesn't work. I'm saying maybe the
response to this is as we can relate to like
this theory of the abject, to like revulsion to like
don't talk about liquids and holes. I think absolutely, I
think that's what I think. That is maybe what it
also comes down to. It's like, Okay, people don't want
to hear about butt secks when gay men allude.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
To it, got it?

Speaker 2 (35:46):
And I guess people don't want to hear about pussy
juice or com or whatever you know.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Like yeah, for me, I can't get enough of quality
pussy juice talk. I just love this stuff. I love
I love it. I don't think either of us are
shy at all when she gets super vulgar or you know,
she's making like these types of jokes. I think it's
funny people are allowed to think. Of course, the quality
of this one just doesn't match the first one. That

(36:11):
can be their opinion. For me, tears, it might just
be lean a little too hard on the irony sure
in terms of the quality though, And like whether or
not people are allowed to think that, Yes, I agree,
I think also, and I someone on tick Top and
this is not me making the comparison.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Someone on tech Deic was making comparison between Man's Best
Friend and Torture Poets about how these are albums that
didn't need to necessarily be good because they are, as
you said earlier, feeding the audience. And she was contrasting
that with Conan Gray's album and with Audrey Hobert's album
where this is. These are two songwriters who I think

(36:53):
Conan wrote three hundred songs for the album and it
got paired down to twelve, and I think Audrey no
doubt wrote some crazy a songwriter.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
First Trap is the moment of that album for me, Okay,
are you have you finally gotten down? Yes? I think
it's amazing And it's just like I'm also so I'm
realizing now more and more she is like a pioneer
of a certain like style and songwriting. And I'm super
happy that she put out a solo record because she
should get to be a part of this discussion the

(37:26):
caliber of songwriter and singer and performance pop star. Her
videos are really good.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I think we're we're not talking enough about, like talk
about a cohesive vocabulary visually, like.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
The Clown is so is so great? Like the Clown,
the clown being everywhere? Who's the clown? Like you're like
I'm the clown?

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I guess like all all of these songs on this
album are about her speaking and externalizing these thoughts that
we all have but can never really put to words,
much less to music. The way that she talks about
like this feeling of should I go to the party.
I'm at the party and I don't really like it,
But what if I did something like, you know, like

(38:08):
or like the uber ride home from the party, or
like the feeling of like bumming into your ass. Like
it's all these specific yet somewhat universal things that like,
I don't know, she does what all great songwriters and
writers do, which is just to like capture it and
like let the muse kind of moved through her. But
it's thematically it's all so sharp and like I think

(38:29):
this person on TikTok was making the distinction between those
albums and an album like Man's Best Friend and Tortured Poets. Again,
their comparison not mine. Where it's like it gets to be.
They have earned the.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Privilege after the Imperial phase.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I guess you could say the same for art pop
maybe where it's like you get to you know, an
artist like that wants to be a little chaotic and
a little a little like just trade a little bit
like I'm just throwing everything against the wall and it
doesn't really matter if it sticks or not, because guess
what this is. This is just I've done the thing
where I've put out all killer, no filler.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, I think that's a little bit what it is,
and or at least I think and it would make
sense to me, like Sabrina earned an album where it
feels like you put it on front to back and
it feels like it had the goal of like moving
her forward musically really indulging in this genre. Also, did
you see do you think it was a response to

(39:24):
that idea when Taylor said on the New Heights podcast
my goals with Tortured Poets were strictly lyrical. Oh, I
don't know, like you think like she's that's her way
of First of all, I think Tortured Poets is what
I said it was, which was a fantastic album at
the beginning. I do think people reacted too quickly. I
do think that now you're now seeing people come around

(39:46):
to it, like I mean, yeah and so and by
the way, like we've done this, like we do this
a lot. But I'm trying to be a little bit
more patient than my first listens and not listen to
the chorus of people thirty seven and into Fortnite being
like this is a flop. It's like it's just not
it's just not that kind of song that's maybe going
to hit for you right away, and I do think

(40:07):
we could have more patience when we first hear this stuff,
but I don't know. It was just interesting to me
that she went out of her way in teeing up
The Life of a Showgirl to be like, my goals
with Tortured Poets were lyrical, whereas this album is twelve tracks.
You're not getting any more. It is twelve bangers. And

(40:28):
she literally goes it's like that, you know, she listed
her songs that she's done with Max Martin. It made
tears run down my thighs oh, and I basically was like, yeah,
this is gonna be a fucking bang fest. Whereas Tortured
Poets she seems to call out her own indulgence in
the songwriting, which I don't know if it's like she's

(40:52):
not calling out her indulgence, she's just making the distinction
that songwriters have where either I'm going to focus it
purely on the melodies and the hooks or and not
that like these two things can't coincide, or I get
to as a songwriter, as someone who's put out great work,
I get to have I get to write thirty one
songs that are meandering and I don't even exactly and

(41:13):
I don't even say indulgence in a negative way. I
guess I'm just saying like she's like, she's calling out
there were thirty one songs on that project. She's like,
I had a lot to say. I was feeling a
lot because of a situation where I was, you know,
very aggressively love bombed, and you know, at a time
when I was already feeling a lot, I had to

(41:34):
get out what I wanted to say. And so my
goals were that album, which I feel I achieved, were
lyrical because as you know, there were a lot of lyrics,
whereas this she seems to contrast brevity, and I don't
think it's dissimilar to Sabrina, who I think was like, Yeah,
I was this pop hit girl on Short and Sweet

(41:55):
and I proved that. And now here's me and my
like cool project that I did in a short period
of time because I felt like I was on a roll.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
It's classic thing, one for you, one for them, and
guess what on the Tortured Poets note, guess what. I'm
still waking up humming to myself the Alchemist.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
I love the Alchemists. People still sleep on the Alchemist.
I'm telling you, so, don't be around me when I
look through people's windows. Comes on, don't be around me.
Don't be around me. It's not safe. I'll be looking
through people's windows. You be looking and you know it.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Wait, you know and you know you know you It
just occurred to me what to go back to the Alchemist?
First of all, great hook on.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
So when I touchdown, called the amateurs and cut them
from the team. Then but then these blokes warm the
benches leaving on a witting street. She jokes that it's.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
But then calling them blokes. Oh my god, she she
just cleared. She just cleared fucking all of these British boys.
She cleared all of them all out. And Australia too.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
You're not safe, ye yeah, yeah yeah, speaking of Australiavor babe.
Last wait what I hear? The gameplay is great. I
have not watched the season. I'm gonna send you away.
You can watch it, Okay. What people are not understanding

(43:24):
right now is that you, if you want, you can
fully watch Poverty and Surree Survivor on a new season
that you've never seen, and it is just as good
as you want. It is wish fulfillment, Peak, Imperial Phase Survivor.
This is so for the fans, and it's extra good

(43:46):
if you did watch the Australian Survivor, which is phenomenal.
I hate to say it. They're just they're producing a
much better show than they do here in America, much better. Less,
I hear less advantages.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Less, way less yeah, yeah, yeah, just idols and that's
it basically.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
First of all, can I say two tribes, seven on
each tribe? So you're kind of immediately getting into it
way less advantages. Certainly, there's idols there. There are an
advantage here and there, but you don't have to like, oh,
you don't have to like it's not an arduous mental
process to watch the show and you really care because

(44:28):
this social gameplay is forefront. Yeah, and this is the
way you do in All Star season. You don't overwhelm
from the top. It's just it's also the episodes are
a little The thing is they're not longer though, they
just feel longer, but in a good way, like it
just feels you're just I don't know, you're just able

(44:50):
to marint it in a more and the challenges don't
feel as repetitive like you recognize them, but I don't know.
It just feels like we're too by the numbers and
American Survivor right now and too careful.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Well, there's just more numbers on servict every season there's
they just keep adding more numbers. Maybe in terms of
the shall I say, gimmicks of the show when it
does become perfect word you used arduous to watch now,
I really enjoyed the last season.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
By the way, we always have fun because it can
be arduous. Because if I'm going to watch a show
that's arduous, like that can be the one. I like
it. It's just, you know, it's borderline right. You're describing this
and it sounds so refreshing. I must watch.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
The fact that Parvety Shallow and Suryfields are on TV
together at the same together is.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
World news and why are we not? And I also
have to say, what's extra? Like, I don't think jarring
is the word. It's more just it's surreal. They look
the same. Oh, they look the same as I did
in micron Asia. I'm like, not either of them have aged.

(46:02):
And they're also competing at the challenges at a really
high level. These women are beasts, yes, they're so good
at it. The mix of characters is great. It's shaping
up to be and I'm not alone in this. Like
a lot of people in the diehard like international Survivor
community are watching this and feeling really excited because suffice

(46:27):
to say, without without spoiling, you're not facing the problem
that you face with like Winners at War or other
all star seasons where the obvious targets are out first,
that is happening, but in a season where everyone is
clearly an obvious target, it kind of falls away and

(46:48):
I'm just happy. Last night it felt like it felt
like the pandemic again because I'm sitting on this couch
in La eating. Oh bitch, I am a lump. I
ordered Postmates three times. You know how high I was
like watching Parvity in Surrey, like what the next move? Like,

(47:11):
I'm like, is it two thousand and twenty?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Amazing feeling to be transported for a new thing to
transport you in time, Like entertainment marketers take note, this
is the feeling you that can accomplish. This is the
thing that can accomplish that feeling, rather than like a
reboot of something, it's like, which is I guess we're
saying like a reboot, like bringing two alums back to
Survivor in a different setting is kind of a reboot.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
But like this is all you need. I got to
tell you, Parvity is fascinating, like when we met Parv
like all those years ago, because we turned on the
channel and she turned by the way, you see that
become a meme, like her turning around on the boat,
like the very first time she was Everyone Survivor and
she was asked about it, she was like, of course
I knew I was on TV and I was going

(47:58):
to give that look like of course. But when we
met her as like you know, when she was on
this podcast, Yes, it almost felt like a different total
vibe of person. Now to see her like restored, like
the mature way to like who who she was back then,
it's thrilling. Well, can we say so something happened quote

(48:20):
unquote between her being on those culturalistess where she acknowledged
to us that we were and I'm gonna give a
lot of credit to you that we were the people
to bring her back into gay culture. But I'm giving
I'm giving you know that, and I'm but I'm saying
something happened between that episode and when she came and
shot this promo for the Culture Wards for US last

(48:41):
year YEP, where we did a whole Traders tribute and
she showed up and that was the first time I
had met her in person, and I turned to and
it was like, oh my god, I get it, like
I get you do. I get why she is who
she is and why she's so iconic. She just has
that like, oh my god, Like what's it. Like, I'm
obsessed with you and which makes you mean cool, which
makes you mutually obsessed with her. You're like, wait, I

(49:03):
need her.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
It's like it's not a red flag in terms of
like and again I'm not saying it's this. It's not
like a narcissistic behavior. It's like a thing where it's
like someone who's just pleasantly magnetic. But that's all it is.
And then she and I went to rosco Is in
LA and the night of the Culture Awards airing. Oh
my god, yes, surpriably and like we got to hang
out and I'm just like, her vibe is perfection.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
She's great.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
She's a good hang She was there with like one
girl from Dealer No deal Island and fun like just
just like just like just a fun group of like
hot lesbians, like just all there and just we were
all having a blast.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
And I was like, Parvety shallow again and not for nothing,
not that like when I'm not to reinforce this, but
it's just crazy that she does not look different from
twenty years ago. She does not. She does not. And
also you see it happening. You like, what's so great
about the show is even like her and Suri truly

(49:59):
verify air because even these people on the show that
have like earned their spot on this international edition Survivor,
they are so gagged for Syrian Parv. And you can
see people who otherwise are playing good strategic games unencumbered

(50:20):
and you know, untethered to other people. The second Surian
Parv come in, they're like, well, obviously I want to
play with Suri and Parv, so I'm gonna do what
they want to do. I'm just like, you aren't giving
away the agency immediately, unique they don't have to, they
don't have to do anything. Nope. It's like years ago

(50:41):
when Boston Rob won the show. Boston Rob won the show,
it was like I think it was called Redemption Island
or something or whatever is something. It was like season
twenty is twenty four to twenty three whatever he came back,
and the way he was brought in and the way
he yeah, has this sort of gilded energy. They just

(51:05):
rolled over and he won, and he won very handily.
It is not unlike the thing even someone like Dylan Ephron,
who that's someone who walks into a room and people
are like, I'll do whatever that persons some people have Gabby,
But for Dylan to feel that way about Boston Rob

(51:25):
on Traders was also like, yeah, that tells you everything
you need to know about Boston. Rob And I think
was culture words tonight that Dylan and poverty were in
the same space. Obviously, No was that I don't know
I've heard before, but certainly, certainly there were a lot
of people in that room where I was like, Okay,
if we if we got if we got Andy in
a camera right now, we can make something happen.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Look not not not not to not to jerk ourselves off.
But I'm still over here like a month later, like
I can't believe if that happened, that we did them
And take you.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
To everyone who came and everyone who watched period Okay,
let's go moving on, Okay, moving on. We attended the
may M ball Tony for Lady Gaga.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Now let her cut the line no, no, you know
she's getting it eventually Like that was. I don't even
mind the fact that it was like, Okay, this is
basically no whatever. No, That's the beauty of it, the
fact that she turned Shallow into an Andrew Lloyd Webber song,
just even in the arrangement and obviously in like the
staging of it where she's on like the gondola of

(52:29):
the canoe, like incredible.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I mean, we are going again, well already, so what's
going again? Already? We had say I had seen the
art of Personal Chaos twice at a Coachella and from
two different advantage points, going again, the improvements that she made,
it really feels like she sat down and she was like, Okay,
how can we even further clarify this story and what
I'm trying to say? And she still was able to

(52:54):
do some fan service with the songs that she brought in.
I mean, justice for art pop obviously. Maybe one of
my favorite moments is now applause even moving how bad
do you want me to? The encore that felt right,
Like all the change that she made from the original
feels like it clarified what she was trying to say

(53:15):
as a performer. I don't know if the changes that
she made made it easier for her or more difficult
for her as a performer, but I think it didn't matter,
because all she wanted to do was find a way
to tell this story she's telling better this opera. And
she did that, and just the way that she needn't

(53:36):
had changed anything, no, and yet still wanted it to
be better, made this even better, made it even better.
How bad do you want me? Rolling?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
As the end credits, Really good for a show that
is about like the her own duality, her interior sort
of like struggle like between like the mayhem in her mind,
like this chaos that she's been sort of I don't know,
like maybe she's like held her whole life, but now
it's finally like reckoning with like that versus the person

(54:05):
that she is on the surface or to the public.
This is something I think that is extremely relatable to everyone,
Like it makes you think about your own let's say,
mayhem m hm. And then for her to like triumphantly
do a victory lap to a song that still puts
it to the audience or to a second person, like

(54:25):
how bad do you want me? Not not like how
badly do you want me? But how bad?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
How about? How like? How g how edgy? Evil? Whatever
do you want me to be? That's such a fun play.
She was she was supposed to like, I mean like
by the end of the show.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Not to spoil it, but like, you know, these two
things are reconciled in her right and like they love
each other, like the Mayhem and like and herself are
like one.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
They're loud. My favorite part.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
We are monsters and monsters never ever die.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Iconic. She's my favorite girl. I love her. I would
do anything for her. I know, honey, I love her
so much. I know, Lady Gaga forever.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
She inspires me. To this day, I wrote down things
in my notes. I was like, Okay, I want to
do something at some point in my career where this happens,
Where this happens, Where this happens. Look at how she's
still implanting ideas and concepts into everyone's minds here, both
in the room at Madison Square or across the world.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Everyone's watching. I mean, this is this is one of
the best concerts I've ever been to. Period. I'm sorry,
and it's absolutely question, top top three, top two, maybe
number without question, I mean, And so it's it's we've
been so spoiled by the live experiences lately. Yes, and
they're incomparable. But that being said, this is the pop

(55:57):
music moment of the year. Like Mayhem set out all
of it. You know, the Grammy's voting window, not voting windows,
eligibility window just closed, in fact two days ago, so
August thirtieth was the last day. And looking at everything,
you know, I don't think it's gonna be as competitive

(56:20):
and exciting a year as last year when you look
at like the pop acts. But that doesn't matter because
even in a crowded year, Mayhem would stand out. This
is a fully committed to no holds barred look back
and look forward for her. You know, it's brought everything
that has made her special and put it into one show.

(56:42):
It is the theatrics, it is the daring, it is
the sheer excellence on stage when it comes to performance
and execution. It is a nod to what an icon
she is and what a hero she remains. Yeah, it
is it is her income conversation with herself. The themes

(57:03):
have remained not you know, exclusively consistent, but you know
enough to call them themes in her career, the obviously,
the darkness and the light, the dance as salvation. You know,
it is all so beautifully realized, performed, executed bus another

(57:26):
club at.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yes period, beautifully said. And guess what if the category
is dance or die and if monsters never die, I
guess there's only one choice, isn't there You have to dance.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
What you've been saying, would've been saying, I just yes,
she she just.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
She fucking I say this literally, she rules, she rules,
she does rule, she rules me, she rules. I'm gonna say,
she rules the culture.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
This is we needed this, Yeah, we needed this. Oh
can you imagine if this, if this year had been
without the Mayhem era, can you imagine it would have
really felt different? And also, you know what I almost did,
so Christmas is coming, I'm not doing this so I
feel like I can announce I almost did the Christmas

(58:20):
Ball and I almost did it like in a Mayhem style.
I'm doing something else because I was like, nah, I
can't fully do that because I about the concept and
I like it I didn't want to do, but it
was close because there's a part of me and I
feel like we did do this with the Cultural Awards,
So I do feel like we've nodded to it enough.

(58:41):
But there's a part of me. That's why I get
Sabrina with her references and her passion for what inspires her,
because it's a part of me that's just like I want,
And it's almost like in service to the artist herself.
It's like, you know that we're this obsessed with you, right,
But I feel like we've made it clear enough. She knows,

(59:02):
she knows, I'm so excited for the tour. Well, I yeah,
say much more yet. Yeah, maybe maybe in a few
weeks that'll start feeling a little chillier in here. We
can announce more, should we do? I don't think so. Honey.
Do you have any other things that you absolutely have
to get off your rust or can we go quick?

(59:23):
Things that I must address?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Great season in Miami and skip this if you hate Housewives,
Great season in Miami. I do want to say publicly,
Stephanie Shojai, you're not for me. I kind of resent
that you are a center, couch or center that you
were sitting center that you have the Andy c for
the reunion. I don't think what you and Alexia have
going on this season is that compelling. I think like

(59:47):
for her to call you at Chihuahua is not the
same thing as you like dangling around your private jet
to girls and you you were more disresponsible to Alexia.
We are a team Alexia House. We are so whatever
team Larsa isn't on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Larsa.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Larsa commented on the Little Real that I'm watching it
happens live posted of me. I don't think so hunting her,
which I stand by. But she was like, whatever, She's
just being a fucking loser, lame ass bitch. She was like,
I was watching Trump because I wanted to be in
the know with the news.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Also, I hate your shirt. I'm like, oh, you'll have
to do better than that. So anyway, she's just Lisa. Okay, sure,
Larsa and then whatever. But I will say that Center
couch should have been gritty and Julia. No, absolutely girdy
and Julia. But also I want to say that Potomac

(01:00:42):
trailer trailer, by the way, you know who's out. Karen Huger.
Karen Huger was actually released. Oh wait, by I think
you've been out out of the show. No, she was
released early two hours ago. What yes, two hours ago?

(01:01:03):
She was released early. Karen Hugar is out of prison. Okay,
I don't know. Now you know, Karen Huger committed several
she was driving under the influence. It got bad, it
got dark, she had a bad accident, and this was
not her first infraction in that regard, and so she
was sentenced too. I believe it was a year in
prison with a year suspended license. She has served six

(01:01:26):
months of that sentence and is now released, which we're
thrilled for. Yes, because you know, obviously you know I
don't play when it comes to driving under the influence.
But you know Karen well, I think I was like
watching some interviews and the women were very concerned about
how she would do in a setting like that. It's
really sad. I'm happy that she's you know, done her

(01:01:49):
time and is free and now hopefully we can get
Karen backed because I need.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I love to tell this story. We love Karen Hugar,
yes and everyone in her family. But know, the Potomac
season looks fabulous. Stacey Rush is finally and her words
and still and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Still I rise. She looks like like main antagonist. I
love it, but I love it no, please, and like
Wendy looks amazing. Even Keiana was giving something and I
tend to think Kiana never really gives, but look as
she was giving in the trailer. Monique Samuels is back.
My technical first my co yes on Zoom you were

(01:02:30):
and I was with Candace. Oh my god, yeah, zoom
and I did. I did watch. My first watch fors
Live was with Karen Yuger. That's right, Oh my god,
my first live with Karen. Then I did it again
with Candace. You had done it with Monique Bravo. Please,
I beg you watch What Happens Live bookers. I would
love to be booked with Stacy Rush on the show.

(01:02:52):
Please you have to bowen and Stacey. That has to happen.
Oh my god, it would be I would be so happy.
But also you don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I'm sure the calendar is full and no, I honestly listen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I'm I got a Christmas store. I'd love to come back.
So I will say when I do go and watch
What Happens Live, I do find that the I don't
think of My Housewives opinions as being controversial, and then
I have to like somehow that it gets interpreted that
way or whatever, Like people think I have the worst opinions.
I don't think I have bad opinions. I just I'm

(01:03:26):
not a Teresa fan. That's it. I'm entitled to that opinion.
The Internet. We're not on this Internet, but the Internet,
that's certain. Whatever, Like the Bravo fans are a wide
breadth of people, and you do get a lot of
a lot of interesting sunken souls. Sunken souls is a really,

(01:03:51):
really good way to put it, Like, what is so
wrong about my opinions? I don't like Teresa and I
don't like Giselle. Like watch the shows, watch the show?
Which shows? Are you watch it? They're intolerable human beings.
It's like clown braid along with Stephanie Shojai.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Sorry, okay, I just had to bring let's do I
don't think so money?

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
All right? This is I don't think so honey. This
is a one minute segment where we take a little
bit of time to enjoy the view. Yeah yeah, right.
What we do is we knock something down in culture
that's standing upright, and we don't like it. So this
I guess I haven't. I don't think so honey.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Okay, this is mant Rodgers. I don't think so honey.
As time starts now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I don't think so honey that I'm so late to
enjoying the US Open. I feel like this is something
in my culture that's been missing and lacking. I'm obsessed
with the US Open this year. I got to go.
I had between four and six honey juices. Who can remember.
It's so good, But just the attending US Open culture,
the culture around tennis, like I don't give it enough

(01:05:01):
year round. And suddenly I turn around and people are like, oh,
we know who Yanick Centner is. We knew that Venus
was coming back in double thirty seconds. We have like
we know the lore of like Taylor Townsend, et cetera.
And I'm so into this cast of characters. It feels
like tennis, like modern professional tennis, gives us a cast

(01:05:21):
of characters and I had forgotten about that. So I
don't think so honey, me and the way I've been.
But going forward in the future, I'm gonna be like
Lynn Manuel, I'm gonna try to be at as much
as of everything as I can be. I'm gonna it's
gonna be Lin Manuel, Anna Wintour and Matt Rodgers at
every match. If they'll have me, please suck Dick Floren.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
And that's one minute. You heard it here first, he'll
suck Dick to be at the Open, I was. I
got to go. Mali took Melissa. Yes, great reaction shots
from you. Yeah, we were living.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
I need to ask you something. Sure. My biggest issue
with going to Arthur Ash during the Open? How was
it leaving? Fine? Really? Oh that's that's been hell for me.
I will say this. We were at the night match
and we shut it down, like you stayed. A lot
of people leave, which felt disrespectful to me. During the

(01:06:15):
second match, like it was like you stay with the
whole thing. So we were watching alcaraz One and by
the way, he is a fine specimen. Peep feel hard,
peep people feel good good. Yeah. Anyway, So then the
second match was happening and everyone had left, so Melissa
and I were just jamming. We were having honey juices,

(01:06:36):
we were we were vibing and so then because we
were last to leave, so maybe that's why. But I
had such an amazing time there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
No, it's so fun. My only complaint, it's not a
real one. It's just leaving his hell, but.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Anything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Arthur ash that that the first time I had ever
heard about the sy op now known as the viral
Dubi chocolate. It was Matt Whitaker and I were there
last year for I think women's semi finals and their quarterfinals,
and then someone comes over, someone I lovely gentleman comes
over and goes, have you tried the viral due by
chocolate yet? And we're like, what's that? Well here, and

(01:07:13):
we we're like, oh, this is pretty good. Well it's
the viral due by chocolate. Oh okay, I hadn't heard
that before. So it's it's viral. Yes, it's the viral
due by chocolate. And now it's like a fucking like
internet punchline, right, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Like vile due by chocolate, La boo boo bubball.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
It's like it's like I just know that this the
gibberish that is now occupying all of our collective consciousness, Like,
have you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Had the violtry by chocolate? No? Have you ever had
it vile due by chocolate? Yes, okay, I have to
try that on air. You will have to try the
viol due by chocolate in air? Are you going today? Going? No?
Tomorrow and Thursday? Gretas, You're going with Greta right, she's
going so excited. I'm so excited. Yeah, it was a
total sligh blast. I loved going and I love tennis

(01:07:58):
and I might take a lesson.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Oh, I think you absolutely should.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Let's move. Okay, this is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
Is he ready? I think so? This? Yeah, I think okay,
this is pangs. I don't think so many as time starts.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Now, I don't think so, honey, Mother Goose, where are
the geese in the stories and the rhymes? You are
weird for making your whole thing goose, goose, goose when
I don't see a goose?

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
You up?

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Maybe there is the poem old mother Goose when she
wanted to wander would ride through the air on a
very fine gander. That doesn't rhyme with wander. And also
if you're riding on a gander, does that mean you're
fucking the ganders? This is and this is getting weird,
mother goose, Like, I don't know what your fucking deal

(01:08:53):
is and I don't know where you I don't know
what you smoked or what shrooms you IMBII. You munch
dn to come up with three little pigs with puss
and boot sifteen seconds, little Red riding her the wolf,
dressing up in grandma's clothing, animal doing old woman drag,
no agist, I don't like any of this. I think

(01:09:13):
he might be I think if the story is you're
actually a goose hiding and pretending to be a human,
that's a scandal and you should be more honest about that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
And that's one minute. I think we can all agree
that mother Goose, it's getting weird. Real culture number sixty, Mother,
mother Goose, it's getting weird.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
We heard you know I was today. I just out
of now her laughed at sure. I weightfield classic of
whatever happened to customers?

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
My service? Hi, my name is? Whatever happened to you? Hello?
How are you? How are you? My name? My name is?
What did you think of of the of the performance?
I definitely thought it was done. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I like to be like to be so she is
she on the show, not on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I don't know. I'm excited, I'm really excited about the
upcoming Salt Lake and Potomac Era because I feel like,
at best those are the best, and I'm just not
I'm not connecting with It's okay, it's okay, but we're
we we all give them a chance and we okay,
well this is this is a fabulous episode. I feel

(01:10:27):
this was a fabulous episode. And we forgot to mention
that your girl's going on tour, is going on tour.
I said, come over before after Barclay's I'm right over there.
You'd be really local. No, she was like, I'm coming.
It was like, great, I'm coming. I'm coming. Yeah, I

(01:10:48):
think that'll be really fun. Well, in honor of that announcement,
we have every episode with a song maybe I'm a
needle see when I'm run it. Well, you went thirty
four thirty five. I've been obsessed with thirty four to

(01:11:08):
thirty five song because I will say, like all the
discourse about like Sabrina like being like the funny pop star.
I'm like, yes, it's true, but you didn't listen to
thirty four thirty five because there's been jokes math class,
the Neighbors, earthquake, the sake. Also that music video.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
She is doing like big comfy couch style like splits choreography,
shooting the legs, swinging it over one side.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
I'm like, go off, bitch, Yes that the Dame got
trough Okay by Love Ariano Bye. Last.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Culturess is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players
and then her radio.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yek,
Executive produced by Anna Hasier and produced by Becker Ramo,
Edited and mixed by Doug Babe. And our music is
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