"Mind The Gapping" (w/ Adam Selman)

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, hey, hey, or should I say ho ho ho?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's me Matt Rogers And in the words of another
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
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Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh, I see you my own and look over there
is that the culture? Yes, love cult, Love cult.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Is calling you. Caught me off guard there with the
you do it in what do you mean? Sometimes I
have to yeah myself. My heart is a potter.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Your heart's a potter, and you're in your athletic wear.
I'm in my Adam Selman's sport.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Adam Shelman sport. Uh. I was one of the great
honors of my life was being an ass man back
in the day. Yes, it's still an ass man. Sorry, Seinfeld,
I'm an ass man.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Well, if it's it's not a visual medium unless you're
watching who Are Shining Bright?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
You are ready to go tack on the world. This
is well, I'll let him describe when we bring him on,
but this is this. I would say this is sort
of like a super reflective like you know, the stripes
that air traffic controllers might wear, but sort of writ
large across the entire garden. Yeah, be seen, Be seen, CNBC.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I have to say today is a big day, not
only because our guest is on the podcast, but also
because we are sort of resurrecting the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Are you you're not going to be there.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
I'm not going to be there. I'm working.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh my god. I was like, I was like, he's
gonna have to work. Damn.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I'm going to be there. You know, I would be
there with bells on my dick and I was available.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I'm going to be sitting there actually just fit for it. Today,
I'm giving you a little shimmer and a little shy wow,
just like to fit for the Victoria's Secret BSF. This
is going to be a really, really really fun night.
Everyone has to tune in. It's if you're listening to
this or watching this on Wednesday, actually fifteenth, it's tonight, y'all.
It's on Amazon NIME at seven pm.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
It will be the event that it was always meant
to be, not that it wasn't before. But you know,
we just let's just like start clean with her. Okay, yeah,
guess what we're all. We're all, Oh my god, Abercrommy
is making great blazers. Yeah, we yes, it's we're we're resetting.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Everything's reset. Everything's resetting, everything's resetting, everything's back. You know
what else is now? High fashion Marshals Marshall, We're gonna
get get a Matt Rogers and bow Yang this December
for Marshals.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Baby. Some girls are flopping and I will address this
in my own thing so you'll see, you'll see I'm
not afraid of calling us that because it's disgusting. This
is this is this is disgusting, s apostrophe s G
U S T I n G. This is. This is
what we're saying on the on the SNL group chats,
we're going to discuss disgusting. I thought you I thought

(03:43):
for a second it was s U S. You could
get suspect and disgusting.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I really do want to start describing things as very suspect, Okay.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Very suspect.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I'm so thrilled about our guests.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
This is amazing, and I really think that our listeners
are readers rather are in for it because I want
to tell everyone a little bit about the guests and
what he's accomplished and does well.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
His guest has really made some iconic moves in the biz.
I first encountered our guests putting hot dogs on a
rake for a name of Sadarius video. That was the
first time I clocked our guests and thought, who's that?
Who's that? And then found out that he puts mister
Daris in her amazing garments. But Rihanna's some amazing garments.

(04:30):
Has worked with her atport of it. As we said
out in Selimon's Sports and now he's executive Creative director
of the Victoria Stephen Fashion Show.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Executi Victoria Executive not just fashion show and Victoria and.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Pink was I I might step into a pink moment.
I've been in a little bit of a pink moment.
It's great.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
No one understands how good they look in pink. It's
actually really culture number eight. No one understands how good
they look in pink. You look amazing and pink you do?

Speaker 4 (05:04):
You do?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Everyone? Please welcome our guess, Adam Salmon.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Wow, this is a gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I always love when we have a man with a
deep voice on the show because it automatically puts us
in like a space.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
How often have you been complimented in your timber on
your voice?

Speaker 4 (05:24):
I'm very monotone, I will say so, you know, really
I don't think so. Just let's just say you gave
it a little you went oh see, I gotta work
on it. I feel like that the great fashion men
who have great voices. You and Tom Ford, you guys
have great in good company.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, and it does always time to be down here and.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Then I have my moments. I have my moments where
I don't go high but it goes wide, you know,
it just gets it gets very excited, you know, you know, wow,
and then I have to bring it back down.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, maintained decorum exactly. So how have you been with
maintaining the gormer amongst the supermodels?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
I mean, so the models are coming in, it's incredible.
It's such a dreamer. You guys like model boys where
where I'm dilettants.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
You're great respectors and admirers of the icons.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
I mean, I did a shoot with Adriana, who's walking
and who's walking like a legend of the runway, and
she's just everything I wanted and more. She's got five children.
And then she came straight up to me and held
me and like, wouldn't let me leave with like the
curlers in the hair, wearing like the VS row but

(06:34):
which I also brought for us, you know, because it
is the day. It is the day.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think models feel a particular not even just models,
it's not exclusive to them vocationally. I feel like they
go to you and I'm just gonna say a lot
of these men in fashion, no I'm not to be trusted,
girl to be trusted, and they see you and they
feel a comfort, and you are very good at the

(07:08):
executive stuff in fashion, hence executive creative director. I feel
like they must go to you because of your your
general magnetism.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
I think I have like a working history with so
many of them too, so like that's like the fun part.
And then so I do feel like there's like a
safe space about it, but also like my job really
is to make them look good, right, Like it's not
just making the brand look good and making me look good,
but like loving them and like feeling them. I think
it's like the most powerful part. Gigi was in yesterday too,

(07:38):
and and I've been doing this thing where I'm like
interviewing as many of them as possible, and she's like
burst into tears like like like lying too, And I
was like, wow, why it's such an emotional thing, right,
And I think, like, you know, it takes them back
to like they want to be chosen, they want to
be felt, you know, and like like those sort of
old days, which I'm definitely trying to change. But it's

(08:00):
also just like it's an emotional thing, right, And I
think all sort of it's forty five million people tuned
in last year and like to like here where this,
you know, and it's like the tidiest thing, and be
like have at it, you know, so it's it's just
a beautiful thing to watch too.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
I mean, I feel like the emotion must come from
the fact that it was I mean, they were interacting
with it at a time when it was pretty narrow
in the definition.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Of what the aesthetic was. You have so many boxes to.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Check making them look good, the brand look good, and
just trying to just trying to like balance and sort
of like reset as we were saying, like all of
these things, right, I mean, like do you feel what
is your way of sort of holding all of that.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
I think what I keep saying is bringing the best
of the past and propelling it into the future and
somehow mixing it with the excess of the current culture,
right and sort of like parsing through the cultural clutter
and just being like let's own it, right, like no
more apologies, Like let's own sexy, let's like befoward thinking.
And also like I think my job again is to

(09:09):
like be a steward of women at the same time
and bring out the best in them and make sure
that they feel comfortable. Like I would never put someone
in like an uncomfortable position and they think. I think
people get that from me and like what I'm trying
to build.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Here, Yeah, I feel like the number one thing I
always think when I'm watching the show, and I watch
them often because there's obviously great musical performances attached, and
I just love watching the musicians interact with the girls,
which we'll talk about, but I feel like the fact
that it really is so empowering. It's not about like, wow,

(09:43):
she looks so incredible. It's like she looks like she's
having so much fun in what she's wearing, and it
is like, regardless of like it just makes you feel
propelled in yourself too, Like watching them comfortable is I
guess the thing that I I always take from it.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, And I would hope that that would be beyond
just the Victoria's Secret Fashion show, right, Like like if
you see somebody walking down the street, you're like, oh,
she's amused because she is like owning it and she's
like serving it and like you're like, oh, I love
how she put it together. Right, So I'm trying to
channel that too, And that's the fun part. Even whenever
I have my own brand, like doing the castings with
the models was like my favorite part. Like I would

(10:22):
like sit in front of the table so I could
have that exchange, and like that was the best, best part.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I just feel like you, I think the reason why
I am so emotionally I've kept this. I've kept all
of your pieces for for years now because they were
my proportions or whatever, all obviously unique to me. But
like there I have my little like things where I'm like, Okay,
I got stort legs and I got noratoris, so I
gotta like really like fit to that.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Your clothes automatically made me feel just based on where
the seams were in, based on the structure of it
and where things were placed. I was like, I feel
amazing in this. I look amazing, I feel great in this.
I feel like that's been your signature is just having
the same sculpt to the body in all these ways.
And I feel like you're so good at hiding certain
things in the sort of support of it. But like

(11:18):
I feel I would imagine that with lingerie you are
limited in your area of sort of like cloaking or
sort of like covering up those mechanical places.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Oh no, I would say the opposite. Yeah, yeah, like
you know, because I do have like a long history
of costume and even like making drag for like RuPaul
and things like that. You know, I have this great
history and I'm able to take that. And it's all
about like working with illusion, right, like that's all it is.
And with lingerie, right, Like it's all about like sort
of adding or subtracting. And Bras is one of the

(11:51):
places when the place is in the industry that there's
actual innovation, which is really cool.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
All about that was good.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Like with all of my girlfriends, I'm like, you're not
wearing the right size problem And they're like really, And
I would that, Yeah I did. Yeah, Like and and
I actually put Greta in the right size pram incredible. Yeah.
And it's so fun, you know because I think that
like it's all there's no standardization, right. I can get
real nerdy about this. Like if you go back in

(12:32):
like the history and there was a world Fair, I'm
gonna get really nerdy. But there was a Worldfair. This
is like nineteen thirty something, you know, And and and
they and they were like, let's find the most normal
body right in America. And so they did this thing
and they had Norma and Norman and they were my
good lad build it. And then they used to do
measuring parties because of the industrialization of fashion, right, kind

(12:56):
of just taking off then, and then they did these
things with measuring parties for women because you know, men,
it was already in the military, but they didn't have
the women. But of course like no Italians, no blacks,
you know, noe. So it was like all white, thin women,
you know. And then so then they came out as normals. Yeah,

(13:16):
so then they came up with this standardization and that's
where like two four six eight comes from. Wow, yeah,
and so like so that's where it started from, right.
So but then then you get into like how bras
changed in history, which BS has been around for fifty
years and you know, we really really innovate, you know.
And so there's like different kinds of foam, there's different

(13:38):
kinds of pads, there's different kinds of push ups, there's
different kind of injection molds, you know, so like things
can feel more like tissue or harder to give you
more support, and like as you go through the range
of cups you know and bands, like that's where it
gets really technically you know interesting and I love, love,
love that stuff, and so you really can create an illusion,
you know with the different brawl with a garter, with

(14:01):
a waste, you know, like the different panty cuts. Like
I just find it fascinating. It's really fun. I mean,
what are you looking at? What?

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Like, like what made you say, Greta, you're wearing the
wrong brass eye? Like you just looked at like the
space between the cups and the.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Yeah, like there was like like a little gapping, you know.
Again you can like look at like the fun like
you hate gaping. So then I was like, bro, you're
on the wrong side. And then I was like what
size are you? And then she asked and then I
was like no, no, no, we're gonna but but she
was close close.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I wonder how many women don't know their real bra size.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
I think that that's the hard part, right, and like
most women have always been told they're wrong, and then
it's like as opposed to making it like a fun thing.
I would say if your friend, if Greta called you,
if Amy called me, I would be like, yes, let's
go get you measured right away. It'd be so fun, right,
I don't think that, like most people would think that
that's a fun thing to do, but it could be
so fun.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Because the ritual for our generation has been like I'm
speaking like for for women who like would go to J. C.
Penny or something and get like have a woman like
squeeze them and then tell.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Them anytime like a measuring tape comes out, though everyone
like runs the other direction.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
You need, you know, because also, you know what I
think is so funny is those people that even if
they do know, the people that look at you and
are like, yeah, you're a thirty two see.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Like I'm just like yeah, but just it's like when
a waitress doesn't write down the order, I'm like, you
might mess up.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
And I'm just saying like, you don't, you don't.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Know, but there are experts for that. And that's why
you like, if you go to a store, you can
actually get measured, you know, fit and then be like,
actually that's not the right bra for you. This is
the right broth for you. And there's so many different
cuts and solutions and everything. So yeah, I'm like, yeah,
go for it, Like, get a group together, go do it.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
You must have a lot of stories about like like
seeing someone come in in discomfort or like unsure of
themselves and then like putting them in something that's correct
for them and them just like having like a little
personality change.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Well, I think that that's what costume design taught me
is because it's about like looking at someone and saying,
like that's not right for you. Right. It doesn't mean
it's not right for things, but like this is not
your era for that, or this is not your like
you know, like this is not the direction you're going,
or you don't feel quite like yourself. And that that's
what I was good at with costume design, and I

(16:22):
think that that's what like my training was.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Like your parameters change based on the way the clothes look.
But then with costume it's like it's a height. It's
it's you're you're you're putting on something for heightened the reality,
perhaps for the camera, for stage whatever. But I feel
like your talent was always making it feel every day
and lived in it.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, I mean, like with Rihanna, like that was the thing.
It was like why are you wearing these like sparkly
body suits whenever you're like the more most gorgeous person
in the world. Yeah, and like and you dress so
amazingly on the streets, so like let's take that street
style and like put it on stage, Like how do
you like merge the two? And that was like like
the big unlock, right, and that's what like sort of
like propelled her fashion career and like that's like luckily

(17:06):
she like hired me to do that, right, and I
would travel around the world and show both racks of
clothes and just be like this is just made for you,
and she would take it in style it and like
make it incredible with mel so right, amazing.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Mel I mean I feel like I feel like the
crystal dress at the Cftahwards fourteen that I think that
that that felt like the beginning of like the modern
idea of like viral fashion, right, and like what has
been what do you think has like for reverberated the
most from that moment.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
What's so fascinating about it is like I think everybody
knows the dress. Everybody knows the thing and like and
I like obviously drink them true and like, you know,
it was so incredible because I wanted it, Like I
was like this is I want to do this. This
is like when you present, like Tom Forward actually had
made something for her too, you know, and then she
chose to wear that, and like, you know, it was
such a huge career defining thing. But then, like I

(18:01):
was so broke whenever I did it that, Like I
was tailoring a Nike job the next morning, and so
I was on set at six thirty in the morning
with my name splashed everywhere you can imagine, and I'm
tailoring Nike bras and leggings and stuff. Just stressed her
for the thing, correct, you know, it was just like
it was like the most you know, surreal thing in

(18:23):
the world because like it was like I had to
keep it my livelihood going. But then I had had
this huge career thing and so like I think that,
like and it was It's such a good parallel, right,
because I think so many people think that, like even
putting on this show, right, like it's like this, I'm
doing this amazing dream come true. I'm like doing all
the things that like I always told myself I could do, yeah, right,

(18:47):
And then but then you have this other parallel happening
of like your life, right, And I'm sure you guys
can relate to that too, Like you're you're out in public,
you're out in you know, and you but you you
have to keep the wheels on the bus. Right.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
There's there's a million unglamorous things that happened between the
glamorous ones.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
And I feel like.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
I feel like I feel like I've been very lucky
to be able to see you in your space put
together your clothes. I really am miss this is what
I missed the most on social medis burn it all down,
but archive the social media posts and and I I
more in these every day. This was my AMR for
a while. It was Adam Selman doing someone's sport like

(19:29):
drops and just like going through each of the clothes
and describing them. And I don't know it was the
most influencers influencdays, but it was. It was just I
feel like I learned so much about construction because you
were talking about the clothes like that. But like, do
you feel like can you be as transparent about that
at BS now? Like do you feel like there's this

(19:50):
like barrier for lack of a better word between like
what you can reveal because it is this like it
is this industry secret that you have to keep in
some way.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
No, I I think they would be thrilled if I
was like down to like walk through product and like
talk about it because anymore. Yeah, there's just like I
think I've like learned to like sort of hold some
space for myself, and I think that like even in
the past few years, like after I shut down Adam
Selman and Adams Silim Sport, Like, yeah, I just I've
taken a real step back, you know, and like this
is actually the first interview I've done in a long time.

(20:23):
So but I mean, but it's a joy, right because
then it's like I have new things to talk about.
I needed like that time to sort of regain and
like calibrate it who who I want to be and
what sides of myself that I want to show. And
that's like that's like the fun part about because like
Victoria's secret, most people don't know that it's you know,
I'm driving a certain part of this ship and then
there's a huge other part of the ship happening at

(20:44):
the same time. It's just such a massive company, so
there's a lot of magic elves making the magic happen.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yes, I feel like if it was when I met you,
like we met because you're close friends with Greta, Yeah,
and the best and then it's then at the time
you were like literally running Savage fenty and I was like,
that's such a fun because you're such like a fun
loving person and that brand is so severe, like it's fun,
but it's like and like you're best friends with Amy Sedaris.

(21:12):
You're a goofy person. But then also you have this
like real eye for sophistication and like sex and like
what's gonna empower women?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
And so I guess like it that's like fun you.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Can bring to Victoria's Secret, which is why I think
it's like such a genius brand for you, because the
show is gonna be fun. It should be fun, and
so just speaking to the fun that's gonna be on stage, like,
there's also the musical performances, which I think are such
like an intrinsic amazing part of the show. Can you
talk a little bit about what it's been like to
bring the artists in and how that's come together.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Yeah, I keep saying like there's a reason why I
stepped away from pop stars, you know, Like no, I'm
just kidding. It's been incredible, Like it's so fun to
like enter the arena and actually the kind of build
the arena, you know, and like like someone we have
performing is Carol G.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
It's so cool.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Oh my god, Like she's just and I met her
in Paris over the summer and she's just like so beautiful,
so lovely, just so incredible.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
And so huge deal yeah, huge deal.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
So I mean like it's just like a lot, a lot,
a lot of fun and like like building that world
and helping them bring that show to life and create
the fun is you know, it's a dream come true.
It really is. Who what's what's the full what's like
the roster for So the lineup is Madison Beer. We
love Madison Be Love Be Oh my gosh, she's so major.

(22:40):
I mean she's debuting a new song.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah that show like really vib but intentional.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah, so Madison Beer and then Twice, Yeah I love Twice,
and then I'm Carol G. And then Missy Elliott.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's pretty staff that that kind of appeals to all sectors. Yeah,
not that like you're that's what the you know, idea is,
but it just it's a great that's a great lineup.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Yeah, it's a great lineup. Twice is performing in Pink.
We're bringing pink back to the.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
Show, which I love, which is so we heard I
know that's gonna be Yeah, she's just she's been a
long time supporter of mine too, so like it's it's
really really fun to bring bring some people back into
the fold.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
We met on a Dolly Parton video.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, you were working on a Dolly Parton video.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah yeah, and like and I was dressing the extras
and then they're like the last day before I was
going to leave there, like, Doll you dress Amy sitdaras
like yeah, hell, and then so I had to like
sketch and then I had to stay up all night
and make stuff for her. And then we went down
and had like the best time. And then Judy, Dolly's assistant,
was next to her, and then and then Dolly came

(23:51):
over and was I you know, Amy said like what's
what what are you holding? And then she was like, oh,
Dolly snacks, And Dolly came around the corner and said,
the smoky sausage is a my face for.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Mine too.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Wait, speaking of sausages and Amy, those those simple Times
videos were like I think that was the first time
I figured it out that like this was her creative
team yeah, because I don't think she did that for
for the for the hosting one, for the entertaining one.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
No, no, no, no that No, she didn't do it
for I like you. And then I did Simple Times
Cross for Poor People with her, and and and I
worked on all the photos and all the crafts and everything,
and then and then we decided to make these videos afterwards.
It just like just for her And it was so fun.
Was that? Was that all shot in a day? No? No, no,

(24:40):
was it was shot over like the course of six
months or something. That's set was the same that was set? Yeah. Yeah,
the videos were set or I think over two or
three days, but the photos were the photos were Yeah,
of course it took forever, that book. And it was
so fun but still so good. It's still so good
to flip. I have my my Jerry blank. Oh my god. Yeah,

(25:05):
it's toasted. You can buy them at cure thrift. She
sells them, oh really, And then she sells dumb dumb
ones that look are oh perfect.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I bet you are a beast to go thrift shopping with. Yeah,
do you like it?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
I don't. I don't really thrift anymore.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Really, Yeah, incredible eye.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Sometimes, but like sometimes it's like, you know, it's just
it's changed, right. I feel like they take all the
good stuff, Like you really got to like parse through it. Yeah,
do you deep hop? Do you do go on that?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I sometimes there's it is just like it it just
feels so much less like connected in a way. It's
just like you're not touching it, You're not, Like I
don't know, I guess I dressed in a uniform. You know,
that's my drag.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
So like I like, I dress in a uniform and
then I buy the same thing over and over and over.
So like you know, now now I'm like trying to
elevate it. Yes, what's the template that you're sort of
like iterating on of mine? Yes, Like it's always like
a jacket and like kind of like a car hardy
pant and like the right T shirt or like the

(26:07):
right polo, you know like that. And now I'm like, oh,
what's a belt? I'm like, oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I don't know why I thought I was an Adam
Salmon drug today it's because of my It's about the
belt jean, because jeans and the belt and I feel
like that's you and I almost wore black cowboy boots.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
But then I was like, no one's going to see you, yeah,
and they would hurt.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
I used to wear Cowboy boots exclusively.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I know, I was trying to give it.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
And then and then Levi's five of five's orange tab orange.
Yeah yeah, and I have thirty pairs of them. And
then I would have matt because I don't like mismatching, dnim.
It really irks me, so like you know, so I
would have the matching jacket to the matching pant and
then cowboy boots. And then I used to have my
hair in like a big pumpadoor with a mullet.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah. Let's talk about men's fashion.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
What what what what?

Speaker 2 (26:53):
What are you vibing on for twenty twenty six, not
just in terms of the Adam Salmon uniform, but like,
what what should we be looking at for the six
gay guys that listen.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
I I think it's a good question. Actually, I think
big pants are out. Big pants are out. Yeah. I
think they hit a long yeah yeah, and I think
we're going back and like the skinny jean thing is
coming back, Like sorry, but you want to see body
see yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, it's I kind of feel like I made friends
with the big pants lead because being from Long Island,
it's very hard for me to sort of separate from
like a fitted pant. And then you look at them
and you're like, okay, yeah no, And so to hear
that they're now coming back is.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Do you guys have anything that you won't wear? Won't
you wear like that? You're like that that's not for me?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Can I tell you what I'm really over? And I
think it's as a result of seeing myself.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
In it short suits, like short shorts on the runway,
shorts on the shorts on the red carpet, and I
think it was a great look. I was just like,
for some reason, I think it's always next to impossible.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
To the right shoe when you're wearing a short. I
like an event. I was gonna say, I still haven't
made up my mind on Caprice for me, okay, because
because of my leg length. Yeah, and also his legs
are very thick.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
I feel like I feel like that you guys are
very like in like a fashion era though like I'm
uniform man, you know, but like I feel like you
guys like really like to experiment.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
But we aspire to uniform. But then I feel a
little bit Elizabeth Holme Steve Jobs.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Exactly in that way. No, no, no, like like I
it's like it's a constant tweaking, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
What do you make of the phrase don't wear what
the fashion designers make? Where what the fashion designers wear?

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Wow, it's a good content. Pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, it's like it's like people be copying your style
instead of wearing well, obviously they should wear what you're creating.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
I'm I guess for me, I'm more interested in drussing
other people than I am myself, and and I try
to give as much to that as part possibles. Then
whenever I like, I like, I kind of just don't
want to think about it.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
It taints it if you start blurring the line between
dressing yourself and dressing other people.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
A little bit, really a little bit or it's just
like like I'd rather give than you know, which is.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Rather.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
I remember that time that we hung out and we
went through that book of Birthday. I almost brought it.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Actually, Birthday says about the birthday and what you're made of.
It is it is a tome and it's this thick
this why I need this yea to a full spread
on every single day of the year.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Yeah, and so every and everyone, you know, everyone like
mine is like the day of the soul searcher, you know,
so like that, and then it gives your strengths and
your weaknesses brought it. Okay, well we can do a
dial in and okay, and then and then if you
come over, you know that, I'll I'll read you your
your birthday, March. Mine is March your yeah, Mar fifth,

(30:00):
March tenth.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh yeah, well you're halfway between me and the IDEs
dangerous stay there much, beware them, wear them.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
What do you do You still live by the day
of the soul search or do you still how?

Speaker 1 (30:12):
How?

Speaker 3 (30:12):
How?

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Textually it's uncanny, really, it's so annoying. Yeah. Yeah, I
like my weaknesses or that I'm withdrawn and that I'm
long suffering, long suffering, suffering rough. But it's also like
you're not supposed to look at them as a weakness,
you know, It's like like it could be a positive too.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
So the phrase long suffering has always been fabulous exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Any supporting actress nominee is playing someone who's long suffering.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yeah, everybody wants to play one.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, the long suffering wise suffering.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Yeah, you continue to be that. That's the goal everyone.
Ye do you remember what mine was? I don't remember
what you're really were, and so I don't remember a thing.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, but I just remember that, like I was kind
of like weighg whether or not it was true because
I don't like being told necessarily who I am.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
So even maybe that's part of it defiant, you know.
And then you're like, well, I.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Will say, astrologically, this new thing that I've been not
fixated on, but that that is resonating with me as
a scorpio is everyone's constantly like, oh, you're a scorpion.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure. But the thing that I
think is particularly true now more not more so than ever.
But just what I'm thinking about is like people will
project things onto me. They're like, you must be thinking this,
and I'm actually wasn't, but you your idea of me

(31:37):
is that I think that whatever, maybe maybe that was
in there. I just really have to flip through the
book again. I'm going to call you tell you yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna look, and I'm gonna look today. I'm gonna
go to the office later and I'm gonna I'll talk
that is it possible for you to take a picture
of my page?

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Well, well that's just as good is going to yourself.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, it's dense.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
There's a lot there.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I've accepted an embraced pretty much everything about the way
that astrology is right and write about me. I was
gonna say right and wrong about me, but it's not
wrong about me. It is that annoying thing of like, oh,
read me down.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
And it makes a great gift to like if you're
like I don't know what to get this person for
their birthday or whatever, like get the birth the book
of Birthdays. That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
So I started seeing someone who is resistant to astrology,
and as a joke, I got him like a little
book about scorpios and he's reading it and he's like, oh,
it's kind of scary.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
There's a there's a vintage book called Gay Love Signs
Gay so good. Yeah, yeah, because it's like you're both
into Jackstraps and like you know, it's like like ridiculous,
you know, things so recommended for that. Okay, you have
a copy I have a copy of Yeah, you know
all the book and Summers read the poetry book. It's

(32:54):
just a good, incredible poetry. Yeah, she writes about house plants,
you know, like it's it's incredible, beautiful stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
I feel like that's a thing that we're missing. Like
you should like like tell Adrianna to come out with
a book of poem.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
She would crush. Yeah, yeah, she would actually crush that.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
I think you have your like they feel a kinship
to you. I think you should like obviously.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Maybe before the show, I'll bring them all together and
read them a poem and then and then they could
I was doing the show notes the other day and
it was like maybe one of the most stressful things,
and I wrote a poem about it. And then I
was just like I can't do this, but now I
have a poem. This is also what I wanted to

(33:39):
ask with you coming in.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
It's like, what is like the backstage moment to you
that you wish more people could understand.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
I think I, like, you know, like on the on
the runway, right, I guess I went into this like
really wanting to tell stories right, like you know, the
soul searcher, like wanted to tell the story right and
like have these sort of like emotional moments, but like
you can't really ask that of that many audiences, right,
and so I understand the story or wouldn't to like
understand like a deeper story, right, Like you know, like

(34:08):
on the Runway, it's like all about power and about
like you know, sexy and like kind of I'm contextualizing
it in the theme of day and night right like
the show, so it kind of gives it this theme.
But I wanted to tell more stories, right and then
and then I think that the actual stories probably play
out in quieter moments backstage, right, like and the connection

(34:29):
like what I just had with Gig yesterday, or like
the fact that Adrian is like holding on to me
and I'll remember that forever, And I think that like
you know, I think like the sisterhood of it all too,
and like even just building the looks on them and
and doing that making sure that they feel confident and ready.
Like that's the part that like I think the people
don't get to experience, but that I hope sort of

(34:50):
transcends onto the Runway because that's what like the joy
and like the fun part is, right.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Do you see a lot of community amongst the girls
so much?

Speaker 4 (34:59):
That's great, so much, and like you know, and then
I think, like in the past, they would be like
who has the best butt? You know that? But yeah,
but now it's more of like I'm so excited to
see sometime, I'm so excited to see Bella. I'm so
excited to see you know, this person. And that's like
the fun part to see them all get excited about
different ones. Well.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, and this is what I was saying earlier about
the emotion of it. It's like it's it's it's a
it's a new lease on it. Like I feel like
in the past it was it was icky because it
was top down, and now it's beautiful because it's a
bottom up.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
You know.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's like they are the ones who like can create
this and set the tone for what this can be
and like have it sort of rise from from from
what it was, which you know, I don't want to
keep bringing that up, but it's just it's it's a
really beautiful, meaningful thing that you guys are sort of
giving this a new life.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Yeah, and I think it shows like the power of it,
you know, Like I think we all have stories of
the brand of like growing up, you know, and like
like like your mom or your sister, like whatever, you know,
your friend or whatever it is and like and able
to be like, this is actually your story. For me
to be able to say that to a model, this
is actually your story. It's not my story. It's not
that you know and like to take it and make

(36:08):
it happen on the runway, I think is like the
what I'm really trying to do, and hopefully we can
kind of tell the more of the stories in the
surround as well.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, I mean, the fact that just the mere fact
that Pink is having a moment will be fantastic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean also like like we talk, we obviously talk
week in and week out about pop culture and like
what's happening in it and the VS. Fashion Show is
is a cultural institution. I mean, it's model culture. It's
one of those things that everyone knows what it is.
So the fact that it's going to come back in
a brand new, fresh way, it's like it's one of
a few things that we have that we can all
look at and watch and like learn from and get
it excited about and you know, be enthusiastic about for

(36:47):
years to come.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
So we're excited that you're doing it because you're the best,
and thank you.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
And now we have to ask you the question of
our podcasts, the central question, which is what was the
culture Adam Salmon that made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 4 (36:59):
I think for me it was competitive cheerleading.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Another fastest of you that you know you share this
with Hannah Einbinder. I know it was a competitive cheerleader.
So this is not the first guest we've had to
talk about this. But how serious was it?

Speaker 1 (37:17):
How deep was it?

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Well, we were junior limp in gold medalists. Yeah, we
were n c A like you know the thing like
I don't know if you watch cheer and stuff like that,
but it was like n c A, like the whole thing.
And where was how the jacket is in Texas?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
You know, h.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
C s I the best in the nation. You know
who we are cheer station with that big booming voice.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
So I'm assuming you are. You are the one who.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Throws, throws and tumbles, and you know I was not
the best like I was. I would think I was decent.
I was good, and I could have gone to college
for it and like done it, but I wanted to
go to art school, as you know one does. But
you know, it taught me so much about like we
had this thing called the spirit stick, you know, and
you know it was forced, it was real, and it's
not about how good you are. It's about, like, you know,
how much you prop other people up and how much

(38:14):
you know, energy you show. And I think I think
about that a lot. I think, you know, it surrounded
me with women, you know from the jump and like strong, powerful, funny,
you know, like ridiculous women you know, you know, and
like we're like tumbling. It's like and it's also a
group thing too, be friends tru exactly. So you know,

(38:40):
I think so I think that that set me up
to be able to be like, oh, I can kind
of do anything I want to do. And especially in Texas,
you know, in the nineties that like it was like
a that was not the thing for a guy to
be doing part of Texas, said of Waco.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Outside of Waco, so it's like in the middle. It's
not like, uh, it's not like a little pocket of liberalism.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
No no, no, no no. So yeah, it taught you
about support. It really did, like a literal like emotional support,
but also just in terms of like architecture of like, Okay,
I guess this has to be an anchor here and
this whatever, you know, I'm stretching here. Maybe it's like
you know, and like I guess we you know, you
don't think about it in the moment, but I think

(39:21):
as we get older, it's like, oh my god, like
holy shit, like these women like really did it and
like they were the supporting, you know system, So I.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Would be so curious. I don't think I've heard you
boom your voice. I feel like I've always heard you
at this frequency. I'm not saying I'm not putting on
the spot to do it now, but I'm just like,
do you feel like this choice to like place it
down here now is this way to like balance out
like just the usage of it.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Like in that in that way in that context. No,
I think that, Like, you know, I think sometimes we
like play characters of ourselves, right to try to figure
ourselves out. And like I was a theater, I was
in you know, cheerleading, and I think that I kind
of got out of my system. I feel more comfortable
in this, you know, like and I feel very comfortable
in myself right now, which is good. But I don't

(40:11):
feel like I need to be the booming person, Like
there there are better people for that boom boom, to
us to boom. Yeah, I'm looking to you to boom.
We can boom.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
There's so much booming back in Wake Up.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
I'm kind of like, over, I don't want to boom, bitch.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
You boom all the time. You know, well, I wouldn't
say you boom. I would say you shrieked.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, sure I shrieked you boom. I belt you, belt
you boom. I think you you one of the great
My favorite scream, my favorite scream. You have my favorite
scream of the poor, that's my favorite.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
I is this just does does this resonate with us?
It's like, I mean, I'm about to say something so snobby,
but it's like, I Halloween's coming up. I'm like, I'm
not a big Halloween person because I have the privilege
of putting on costumes for my job. Exactly right.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, So I don't know's it's that thing where it's
like I have to like balance the scales a little bit.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah, you know, where have you ever been a Halloween person?
I used to? Yeah, were you? I feel like in
college I was a big Aholleen person.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah, And then like.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Right, after college. Remember that year at j Justicpus Mugatu.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
He was great. I don't think I've told Will that
you should well well, I remember, I remember, just yeah,
it was Halloween was my favorite day of the year
as a kid. It's always been like a little fraud
for me.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
I don't know why, but I think there's something about
what you just said, Like maybe because I was always
in college, I was always doing sketch, so I was
always in costumes. I was dealing with so many costumes.
It was easy for me to just throw something together
because I had a prop bag and I traveled with
a prop closet because I was the director and I
had literally I was like, you.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Want to be a doctor? I got you, Maybe which
kind of doctor do you want to be? Do you
want to be a doctor who's covered in blood or
do you want to be fresh and new? Yeah? Both?
I got variations on my kind.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
But it was like then, when the prop closet went
away and I didn't have all those things anymore, I
was like, oh, no, right, it becomes a day of
thing for me every year.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I tend to do fine, but but you have a
knack for putting together something at the last minute. One year, Matt,
this is when we were like broke and just didn't
have just resources, and so you put on like a
bob and you put on like one of Sudie's dresses,
and you were like a secretary at work.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
I was a.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Secretary at the work party.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Who's going off, Oh my god, Like I just see
that's a gift. We should be able to bring it
together last minute.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I usually like, can can put the character together? And
then I look and I'm like, oh, I know who
she is, but I don't know what it is. Until
like one year I was just like god, I was
like I put together like it was like a like
a like a button, the white button down and like
a loose tie, and I got like lipstick on my
collar and I was like, I'm your husband having an affair,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Like and then we did.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
You were ash ketchum and I was Jason Stackhouse. That
was a good I kind of want to bring back Jason.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Are you guys into like couples, you know, like pairing?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Oh you know what we did when we were when
we were Nicole Kimmen and Laura Dern. Yes, this is
right right after lives. He was I Patrian, that's a
really good and I was Nicole with a secret. Actually,
can you do some of the voice? Oh?

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I want to.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
I was Ranata, you were I was I was Laura.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
You were Laura Dern with the eye patch, and I
was Nicole Kimman, just sort of in the corner.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I didn't do a voice. I was really quiet because
I had so many secrets. Laura didn't really have a
stock line that season. But if it were postseason two,
my I would have said, I will not not. You
know she did?

Speaker 4 (43:36):
She did?

Speaker 1 (43:36):
You want to know what it was?

Speaker 4 (43:37):
What did I have one?

Speaker 1 (43:38):
You weren't really doing? You did do it a bunch
it was.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I said thank you.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
I said thank you.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
I think that you had to remind him of that.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I said thank you.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Laura was so good A full decade ago at this point,
No stop, twenty twenty five, twenty fifteen, I think it
was twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, it was twenty seventeen. We're still we're still the
time being a decade since Big Little Lies. Jesus, We're
getting there. But is this your relationship with folloween too?
As someone who like has like an occupational relationship with costume.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Yeah, like I felt like like I wouldn't do it
unless I went big, and I'm not good at the
last minute thing, right, So I my thought, you know,
I made a huge owl costume, you know one time
that was like hugelasses and put you know thing and
like took those shoes with like like the toes and
they put claws on it.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Are your favorite?

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Yeah, I love it?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Al?

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Yeahs to love right?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Well?

Speaker 2 (44:31):
They say who they can see all the way around
their heads, they're so cute night.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
And then they can move their heads all the way
around and bury into Do you like that? Yeah? I
like that.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
It's a little it's a little eerie when you see
it in real life. You want a bottom. That's why
you want a bottom, Hoobert.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Can you imagine if you were behind in the throws
and the bottom did a Linda Black sometimes?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
What? Anyways?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Anyway, so yeah, als are amazing. They're so great so
competitive cheerleading. You did not go to college for it.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
I did not go to college for I went to Brooklyn.
I'm taking to art school, you said, you said at
that point, and then I tried. There was actually a
New York City cheerleading squad, and so I was like,
I'm gonna go do that. And then they were like, oh,
we do the parade and we do this and we
go to the events. And I was like, I'm not, No,
you just wanted to do it for the love of
the game. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to like keep the

(45:34):
competitive thing going, you know, squad. I think that they
did and your prat I could have, yeah, but I
think I was kind of like, you know, no, because
you know, competitive, the competitive cheerleading is the key word
to it, you know, because I think that like that
also taught me that ambition is rewarded, you know that,

(45:57):
Like so I mean because people are cut throat, you know,
like they're really like, you know, ambitious with that.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Prat summer, Yeah, there they are.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
And would you say that's generally true in fashion, that
I mission is rewarded. Yeah, I would say, yeah, to
do good work and people notice and you know and
like and just keep keep at it. Like I think,
like Rick Owen said something like that, you just have
to keep producing and then like your voice will come through,
like your style will come through, right, And.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I think it's generally true for a lot of things.
Like just just keep the output, keep the output even
though it feels hard. Like the thing about my current
job is that we are expected to make things at
an unreasonable clip, like every week you're supposed to have
ideas and it's not totally sustainable, but it does like

(46:47):
get you to just like it does like build you
reps and like Matt knows this like it's it's just
it just gives you some engine of like Okay, even
if I don't feel like it, I gotta do it always,
you know.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Well, yes, I was just thinking, like speaking of output
or lack thereof, are you to blame for why Rihanna
doesn't put out music anymore?

Speaker 4 (47:06):
And can you claim that I'm not going anywhere near that?
Actually I still get so many dms to be like
can you get this in front of her? Or like
can you.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Like no, But outside of that, though, like working with her,
what can you what can you share about working with
her and how she is as a collaborator.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Because I think everyone's most fascinated with her than maybe anyone.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah, I mean she she truly is incredible, Like she
really is so inspiring to be around, Like she's so
singular in her vision. You know, and that like and
we have a shorthand you know, and so she really
would like trust me to be able to like out
output my best, you know. And I just I cannot
say enough good things about her. It's so amazing, you know.

(47:52):
I'm so happy that she had a girl, you know,
Like it's just so beautiful and like, and to watch
her become a mother because she's she's always talked about that,
like even having her cousins you know, and like kids around,
like she's always like holding them. So I'm really really
happy for her on a personal level, you know. But
she's just spectacular, Like, yeah, that's beautiful, and everything that
people say about how she smells is also true. How

(48:15):
would you describe the notes? There's there's been different chapters,
but like she layers, so there's like like a vanilla
with like a little like amber, you know, and then
there's like a hint of like a floral in there too,
like but it really is like a signature thing.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
And even she wasn't able to get you into Housewives,
I was gonna ask.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
No, I've never watched one episode your what's your allergy
to it? Because I think, well, once I start, then
I'll be locked inside for you know, the next year
watching it. But don't you want to be like Ree
and just stay in and watch Housewives? Also not going
to quest.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
I got it.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
I can't do it. I just watched Game of Throne.
So I just rewatched, watched, and I'm like and like,
that's exhausting and it's saying that, you know, but the
Housewives is something that doesn't really demand much of you
the viewer. You can just fold your laundry ass and
not even watch the screen. But I feel like I'm
you know, I would get so hyped into it that

(49:25):
I would I would be picking fights, you know, like
outside I would be like, oh really, you know, I
think I think that like that it would rub off
on me and not and maybe not the best way.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I've we've gotten people into it, and they've and we've
watched them become more augmentative, like we we we know
someone who I don't think they would ever have done
something like this, but probably like I introduced into Housewives
and then one time they started up with me at
a dinner in front of people, and I was like,
I did this by getting you in.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
I knew it.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I knew it. I knew that was not to say
that was entirely all.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
What that was intrinsic things about it person, But I
was like, I was like the fact that.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I presented something to you that would create a reality
in your mind that it's okay to do this at
a dinner is my fault?

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Like you were perfectly fine without this in your life. No,
I dis'gree not your fault at all. But then you're
you're implying that you are argumented it that that you
get into fights.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Are you competitive? Truly? Culture, I don't know you to be.
I don't know you to be like a like a
a person who like direct. I'm pretty direct. It takes
a lot to get me like escalated, but like I'm
but even to get there, I'll be super direct with you.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Well that's leadership. Yeah, I feel like that's what leader
That's what leadership is. That's what directing is. It's making
decisions that you It's not about being right all the
time exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I think that's something that I love.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Bad ideas, you know, like like all those things.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
So yeah, well they get you somewhere as opposed to
wishy washiness or you know, like a lot of like
like a bow to other people's thoughts and ideas in
too many like ways to try to include everyone, and
then the decision that's being made is a confused one
or one that is not strong. So I think it
takes a really decisive person to be a leader, because

(51:14):
then we're getting somewhere.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
We might not be where we thought we'd be, but
you have to be decisive to.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
I've been thinking a lot about the difference at being
nice and kind, you know, and then well, I think
like nice, you know, it's like it's like there's like
a southern you know, sort of you know, genteel about it, right,
And but then kind doesn't mean that you have to
be nice, you know. I think you can be direct.
You can be like straightforward and still be kind about it.

(51:40):
But you can be more direct and like, you know,
have a have a heavier hand, right. And so I've
been thinking about that a lot, just about my approach,
because everyone's like, you're such a nice guy, you know.
I'm like, well, I don't want people to say that,
because it does have a stigma.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
It does have a little bit of a maybe this
is from being gay too.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Exactly, do you feel a little way in the world
so it's sort of.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Like I do feel like when you're a gay person
and you are like engaging with the leadership, there is
a thing where it's like you can sort of tell
that people are waiting for their opportunity to invalidate you, right, you.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Know what I mean? And so what a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
It's kind of like, don't don't, don't, don't let the
word out there, get out that I'm weak, yeah, because
or that I can be walked over because I'm a
nice guy.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
I'm a gay guy.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
He said that in a really kind way, is like
even it's even that is like yeah, yeah, I think like,
oh that was cutting, but in a really kind way,
because like disappointment is like the thing that people don't
want to touch it all, sure, you know, And and
blowing up has never worked for me ever, never worked
for me. Really, It's worked for me a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
But I feel like I would this is kind of
a little bit lazy, but I feel like kindness is gestural.
It's an action, and nice as like a tone or mannerism,
a manner of speaking. Literally, like like he told me
that in a nice way, not in a kind way,
he was kind and that he like, you know, sent
me a fruit basket when you know I suffered. I suffered,

(53:16):
was like.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I just I feel like I can always tell when
I'm being condescended to, and I would just so much
rather someone be like, this is what I need from you,
and this is what it is so that we can
get here.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Great.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I know where I stand with you, and I know
what I need to do as opposed to Yeah, So
what I guess what we're thinking is.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
It's just like I hate don't equivocate. I hate this energy,
and I think that like doing this show too, Like
I've really had to put my you know, you know,
a channel big energy for it because it's not just
the clothes, and it's not just the models and the performers,
but it's the music and you know, like the stage
design and like like the vision right like it once

(53:57):
you start to give little pieces away of that, then
like that's when people chip away or like you know,
and then if you're nice about it, like so I've
had to be really really direct and be like that's
not what I want. This is what I want, you know,
and and try to get that across because it's it's huge,
like the expectations are huge, like you know, like the
vision is big, and like I wanted I want those
two things to match up. So it's been an interesting

(54:19):
exercise for me.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
What was your pre performance or pre event mentality and
competitive cheerleading?

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Does it?

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Does it mirror anything now before a big event comes up,
Like I think Matt and I learned a lot about
ourselves and each other before like the culture words, let's
say where it's like, oh fuck, this big thing is
about to happen, Like we we better buckle down right right,
Like I just got to chill, you know, like like
what was your what was like what was like cheerleading out?

(54:52):
I'm like, does that be to what like via vs
F show? Like a VS show?

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Adam? I think that like cheerleading at was fearless, right,
it was like like I don't care, I'm doing it.
I know what to do, And it was like a
burst of energy before before an event. Yeah, yeah, you know,
and like meaning like like it was precision, right, it
was like but it was it was yeah, practice, but
it was more of like like let's cow you know,
it's like lots of it, like got of energy and

(55:18):
stuff like that. So like so there is that. But
then now it's more more methodical and more like thought out,
and I'm trying to think more ahead of the whole thing, right,
Like you know, I'm like Coach Taylor from Friday and Lights,
you know that, Like I'm thinking more like that, like
trying to get ahead of everything as opposed to like
reacting to it in the moment, right.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Because you're trying to communicate all these things visually, you know, sonically, whatever, emotionally,
but you are only in control of the delivery system
to a certain.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Point completely, yeah, and especially to forty five to fifty
million people, Like there's only so much I can control
of that, and you know, and and it really is
just about focusing on the present, focusing in the future,
you know, focusing on like what I can do, as
opposed to like like sort of like all the noise
that's you know, coming in. But but I want to

(56:13):
make a spectacle, right Like this is like I mean,
it's such a thing. It's like the same thing with
the words. I'm sure you're like why I got this
idea and I want to do this and I want
to do that.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah, yeah, how are you with feedback?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Because like, like in terms of like what everyone says,
because you know, especially with Lauingderie, it's very sensitive. I
would imagine that it makes people feel all different kinds
of ways. And you know, obviously Savage fenty is like
attached to Rihanna and her brand, and there's like, you know,
it almost feels like I don't know if this is true,
but because she's so bold and impenetrable and so assured,

(56:49):
and then people have different ideas about Victoria's Secret, I'm
sure that there's going to be and already has been
like lots of like feedback and weighing in and stuff
like that.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
So are you prepared for are that? And how will
you prepare for that? And how do you deal with that?
In general?

Speaker 4 (57:04):
I think I'm like, I know, I can't be everything
to everyone, right, right, And I think that, like, you know,
I love Savage xpinity, I love it, I love Rihanna,
and and I think there's room for both, right, Like
I think that, Like I think people want it, like
to go at it, but it's actually truly it's its
own world. I think like Victoria's Secret is like its
own world. It's like like two totally different things. And

(57:26):
like I think what I'm doing here is a totally
different thing than what I was doing there. So so
I think that, like I know, I can't be everything
to everyone. I think it's more about like focusing on
what I can do and like the vision and like
bringing like what only I can bring to this, and
like seeing the opportunities of like it's not only here,
but like you know, the photo shoots, like the stories

(57:48):
we can tell around you know, around the brand, that
that's really going to bring it to life.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Does the job require you to be in a lot
of places or do you get to like work out
of New York.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Mostly it's mostly New York. And then we have a
thing in Columbus as well, so we kind of go
back and forth. And there's like a whole mock store there,
so we get to so we get to see it
all mocked up, you know before you know, like the
season sets in the retail space in the retail space. Yeah, yeah,
so so I love seeing that and it's just like,
you know, I don't know if you read that Demna

(58:21):
thing this week that you know he's felt like a Blinciaga.
He had like carrots and potatoes, but he's a chef,
you know, but now at Gucci he has like, you know,
all the ingredients and stuff like that, and I you know,
and I was like it sounds bitchy, but like it
really I'm like Advictory's secret. I'm like, oh my god,
I have like a whole team, Like there's resources, there's
like things to help me be able to keep my

(58:42):
eye in the vision as opposed to like be in
the weeds of things, because I think so much of
my career I was in the weeds of the whole thing.
But how are you with delegating? Fantastic? I love it.
It's so fun.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Love did you realize you can do it? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
I mean, it's it's just it feels so cool. I
remember when Greta was telling me at least I think
we're just telling you that's the same time that like
you were you're moving to BS.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
I was just like, that is so perfect. I feel
like if you've made me feel very good in clothes,
I'm like, I just just that you can.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Look up the canvas, stop stop at him.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
But just like you know, if you think it's like
scaling that to.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
This this brand that like has a lot of emotional
history with people is really powerful.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
So it's really exciting and I think you I can't
remember the show. Thank you me too. I'm so excited
to you for the sixteenth.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Actually to be done forge like go go, like so
you're not gonna be able to like watch it.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Yeah, so I'm gonna be like that. I'm wearing like
a GoPro, Like everyone's like you need to have a
camera and a GoPro and a thing, you know, so
the you can like see the whole thing put in
the go Pro. It's like there's like a magnetized one o.
We're like a little necklace with a thing. So there's
been like that's like the footage that like so you
can kind of see what I'm doing right before the
models go. Yeah, I think like I like I'm gonna

(01:00:11):
be like in tears afterwards, Like it's just gonna be
It's gonna be so fun exciting next year, next year,
next year. Right around the corner do you want would
you design like a jewelry moment for the go Pro
if it's if you're wearing it like on a necklace or.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I know, you can get together exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
There's so many other dazzled things to get together. Sorry, sorry,
it up is going always the Dreamer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Now is the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
It's time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Don't think so, honey, Adam. This is our sixty second
segment on this podcast, Lost Cultureist Us. We've been having
it since episode what Why would this one be any different?
When we take an item and culture and we sort
of look at it and throw it to the ground
and stomp on it a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
And I have a thing. I have a thing. Okay, God, Taylor,
apparently this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many
as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
The discourse on life of a show girl, congratulations, you
got what you wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
You made it not fun.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
You have officially gotten to the point where you're screaming
at someone that they're stupid because they like music. This
is pathetic. I don't care what you think about it,
and I do mean you everyone out there. All that
matters is my experience with it, which has been very
similar to other Taylor Swift albums. Eight songs that I'm
fucking obsessed with, three that I think are pretty good,

(01:01:52):
and one that I fucking hate it that I'll probably
love in nine minutes in nine months, nine minutes, even
because I fucking and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
That's the way it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
It is ridiculous that it has gotten to this place
where you make a full assessment about because they like
pop songs. Please get a grip posting on your close friends,
ten stories about how you don't understand something no one
required you understand it, Like, don't understand it, go do
your own thing. You don't like that she's ubiquitous, stop

(01:02:22):
making her ubiquitous.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
I don't know. And that's one minute.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I mean, you're you know, you're adding like you're throwing
a stone in the I'm saying you as in like
someone who is saying, like why are we talking about
this so much? But why are you talking about it?

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
It's it's it's at all just all just it's all residue.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
You know, this is all I'll say. I think everyone's insane.
I get why you're insane, but I but you are,
and this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Insane because you should be. And like this isn't this
isn't me a craze swifty defending it. This is me
someone who observes what's going on and sees something really weird.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Like it's all so worthy of insanity.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Though it's worthy of insanity. But that's what I'm saying.
It's people aren't saying because they should be. Yeah, he's
a soul searcher. I would be very curious to see
birthday with birthday? Now, what defines what? What is the
soul searcher?

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Like like it's like I'm always like looking for the
next thing. I'm always like like like what does that mean?
Like you know, what does that mean to me? How
can I better better myself? And like things like that
and like we're better a situation or whatever. It is
always searching.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Okay, I guess I'm a soul searcher and now I'm
searching for and I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
From my girl, I need I needed to do pull
up a visual aid, so therefore I need to hold
on on my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I am now pulling up the incredible clock for Bowen
Yang's I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
And if it is the visual aid, ready, that's it's ready.
Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. These
Ai sketchers, you know ads that we've been seeing on
the subway on the back of playbills. I had to
play building week where this this ad of sketch. There's
sorry with my little privacy screen on? Why is this

(01:04:08):
woman not wearing the shoe? Why is she why does
she have red and blue stripes across her face?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Like someone had to approve this and then look the
type treatment thirty seconds stroke on some fonts, different weights,
different thicknesses, different sort of heights, different curnings. I don't
really understand the thought around this, around putting this out
fifteen seconds for mass consumption. This one of this woman,

(01:04:39):
I guess in a Japanese village with five camel tooes,
horizontal labia on her jeans. The shoes are barely featured.
And who is this girl? She's hunty. I just don't
know why she's selling me shoes an ugly shoe, and
I don't really get like this. Can't this better be

(01:05:02):
like such a quick little hairpin turn in the way
that fashion gets like advertised, because we can't have looks
like a video game.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Right, it's not a shoe commercially like, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
It shouldn't be selling me a shoe, you know what
I mean? This is gonna be a very visual one,
yeah yea.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
On YouTube on socials where we're gonna we're.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Gonna put little Oh yeah, that's gonna be overlays.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
But you know what I mean, like, why is this?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Why is this?

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Why is mistake? It's refrontal for sketchers. Yeah, this does
make sense to me. I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
I love the product, sure, but like I don't know,
I don't sell it this way.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
This is what story are they trying to tell?

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
What story they trying to Confused by the story, idam
don't do any of that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
No, no, no, no, not that you would. That was
like a video game, Like do you remember Stargirl was
star Girls and like and you just had like a
bot and then she would go shopping and she would
pose and like she would go to a photo shoot
and you know that. That's very star Girl to me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
What's the best fashion marketing ever in your opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
I mean I think it was Tom for It a
Gucci I think like, yeah, you, I mean, it's we
can't escape it. It was incredible. Yeah, that was We're
still there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I wish I could. I wish I was more tapped
into it at the time. I'm learning about it in
retrospects and I'm like, oh, that sounds like a fun.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Even that whole time. It's like, no wonder I went
into fashion, you know, I couldn't avoid it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yeah, I do think did the Calvin client of it
all like ping you at all?

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Oh? Definitely Marky Mark like made me into whitey tidies,
you know what I mean? He like that's like forever
burned in my brain. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah, for better or worse. It is one of those
images that will stay.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Yeah, that's a good image.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Every time there's a new Calvin client, ad I'm always
I always think it's a little cultural moment always.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a an achievement level for
hot people.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Adam, it's your time. I'm so nervous right now. It's
a hard thing to be direct. Don't equivalent, don't be nice,
don't be kind, be kind, don't be kind nice. Yeah,
however you want to interpret that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Okay, are you ready, Adam, something this is your I
don't think so, honey. As time starts now.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
I don't think so, honey. Batties, batties are out. Shutey
patuities and cuty patuities are the new future. And you
know what a cutie patuity. We keep things tight, we
keep things sexy. You know, it's like off the shoulder.
It's a gentle fabric. Batties. We still love a battie,
we still want to feel a battie. But I don't

(01:07:33):
think so, honey. We have to move the needle past
battie and into cutie patuity. It's all about cutie patuities.
And you know what's not cutie patuity? Eating hot dogs?

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Eating?

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Hot dogs are out? Eating hot dogs are out, and
and you know what goes along with hot dogs are lilies.
Lilies are also out because they smell like boiled hot
I don't think so, honey, and like, we're not doing that.
We're not doing hot dogs, we're not doing batty, and
we're not doing lily's. So don't don't bring it around.
I don't think so, honey, Like we're going to keep

(01:08:06):
on it cutie petuity, energy for the future. I'm so inspired.
I'm so inspired. I have questions. They're not What about
the smack sausages? Snaky sausages are different than hot dogs.
You Like, if you go on a date with somebody
to a theater and they're like, I just want to
eat something, and they take a hot dog, you know,

(01:08:27):
and eat it in the dark, Like that's that's not cute,
you know, like everyone loves the hot dog in the dark.
Why why?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
What is it about hot dogs that are not cute?
Petuity you they're too baddy, you know what I mean.
It's it's too much. It's it's too much of them. Sure,
you know corn corn dogs, corn dogs. You can stay
there because it's on a stick. Yeah, yeah, it's on
a corn.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Doxy Petuity very cute because I buy a weapons corn
dog horn dogs by the box.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
A stick. Amaz it's on a stick. It's like you
can do a gentle dip, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah, you're not putting onions and relishant. You're not putting
these things that I'll slip and fall off.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
That that's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
I'd be like, yeah, that is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
I'm starting to see. I do love a hot dog
me to a lot. Well, you know, the New Years
around the corner. So get out of your system because
chety Petuty is coming in hot Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
This released me because I've always identified as I can't
I can't identify, I can't self label my The way
that the way I've gotten through life as a gay
man is being cute. Patwoed, I'm never gonna be baddie.
I'm never gonna be like hot hot. But my stylist
Michael Fisher goes, funny boy is a funny boy bow
and is out where we're doing sexy bow and I'm like, sure,

(01:09:40):
but yeah, but Cutie Petuty is sexy sexy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's still very sexy, but it's a softer sexy. Yeah,
you know what I mean. It's just it's just a
little gentler than like, damn, I'm sexy and I'm you
know what I mean, Like it's it's a sure, it's
a hey, look over here, it's it's it's over the shoulder,
it's the owl of it all. You know, your good
friend is is the ultimate baddy back gally, you know
what the says this is but she's also very cute.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
This is any strig.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
So basically what he's saying is that in R nine,
what we can expect is more Cutie patuity because because
bad gallery Y has always been through anti I mean,
like that was bad gal and so basically, like what
he's saying without saying it is he's giving us a clue.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
She's never going to talk to me. We can we
can expect it. Adam, what do you identify as Batti
or Cutie Patuity. I'm Cutie Patuity. I'm also I'm more
of like I'm a gun girl actually with a horse

(01:10:42):
girl rising, you know, but but that's not in right now.
I'm talking in is Cutie Patty, And I don't know
if I'm cute.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Guns and horses can be kuty but twity yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
QP gun is qu shoot gun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
We're about to shoot gun going to a bachelor and
I was tasked with locking down the the gun range.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
That's so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
So we're doing it in New Orleans and we're gonna
go shoot guns the first time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
That's so fun. You're gonna have a blast. It really
is a great time. What was a lot to be showing?
I'm gonna say maybe seven years ago. Wow, yeah, and
well you're due. Yeah a seven years and my brother
in law like set set up cook cans in my
parents like field, and we did it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
You ever go skeet shooting?

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Never been skeet shooting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
I will say hot dog moment that stands out to
me as Katie Petutty. As Ala Ban's liquorice video, she
at the end it's a hot dog in the most
cutie petuity way. And I'm wa say she is obviously
batt she is obviously battie, she's baddy, but I think
she can hot dog gonna be a kute butty a way.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
So I present that as like a counter cutie petutitia rising.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
If you're genuinely authentically cuty petuity, anything you do is
going to be cutey petwity.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
That's true's true. And if you embody in, you harness
that cutie patuty energy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Whereas if you're just such a baddie, you've given me
a lot to think about.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
I want this to before you fall asleep tonight. I
want you to be thinking cutie petuity like as you fall.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Asleep, I will I'm thinking about I'm saying I'm going
to be thinking about this for at least a year.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Okay, I mean that, But then then we'll be on
to something else. Boen. You know, we gotta seize this
cutie patuity moment.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Or I will continue to hold down the cutie pe
tuity you know, m O until I die. You kind
of always you're like, You're like, what it's all I got?
It's all it's all, it's that's my only sort of
it's the only color I paint with and that's okay, yeah,
this is my time. And then skinny jeans back in,
not leggings, not leggings. No no, no, no, no great,
no no, it's just I feel like like the wide

(01:12:52):
pleat is no more?

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Got it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Really?

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Yeah? Interesting, and you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Feel like this is something that other stylists and people
have are talking about, like like it's it's it's a buzz.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Yeah, I think it's a buzz. I mean it's also
just like everything has just been so we're so excessive, right,
and it's just a full vomit. So I think it's
it's sort of time to like clean it up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Sometimes I do see it like like a pant that's
really big, and I'm like, what are we doing here?
And then I'm like, if you, if you, if you
take yourself out of it, like you'd never wear that
unless they if they weren't telling you that this is
what fashion is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
You know, Yeah, all right, all right, we're back.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
We're back. And all I think, do you shop it early?
Did you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I think there's some good jacket, there's good pieces in
the an sell Me uniform.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
From Okay, I will check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Okay, like wife, like their new, their new.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
I'm really into forty five. I mean the president, the president.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Yeah, you said you're a gun shooting.

Speaker 6 (01:13:50):
Exactly, and Trump and Trump and competitor cheerleader. Yeah, beautiful diagram,
what a guy. People contain Multitude's bow.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
More than I hope everyone will tune in, and I
cannot thank you enough.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
We are so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
The show is tonight seven pm on Amazon Prime, and
I guess because it's on there, you can stream it
in perpetuity, keep it going, keep it going.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Powerful fingers crossed. All right, So this is so fun.
You're the best.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
We're so happy to have you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
This has been so fun. We end every episode with
a song.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
What's what's my name? What's my name? Paby don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
To see you can go down again like behavor.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
I want to because you're just not type or not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
People contain multitudes Bye Last Culture. Reacis is the production
by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Created and hosted by Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yeg, executive
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