"Off Book, On The Record" (w/ Cody Rigsby)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look, man, oh I see you? Why why? And look
over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, I have
a discussion topic right off the bat. Can we just
say what? I can't even venture to guess what topic
you will bring up. There's so much to talk about.

(00:22):
You can't get this one crazy week? What because while
current events are happening as we speak, I'm not bringing
up a current event. I'm bringing up something so truly
random and it's gonna rock your absolute boat forget about
your world in your mind? Do you know who I
just saw a picture of and I got so horny
Sean Williams Scott no but close but not Adrian Brody,

(00:44):
No man. And then that brought me to I don't
our guest is giving anti energy. But that brought me
to this, who is the weirdest celebrity that makes you
horned up? Like the fact that you're like that, like
when you get horny for them, You're like what? Because
for me it is Adrian Brodie? Not now, this is
like an old picture of Adrian Brody when he was
I guess, like all top, Yeah, I don't know the

(01:09):
weirdest I don't I don't really go for I don't
go for weird necessarily if we're just we're does disqualifying sometimes,
do you know what I mean, especially if it's a
help I guess I mean like most most unusual, like oh,
I'm funny for him? What a shop? I don't know.
I think I think you know what it is. I
think we as a generation have been either traumatized or

(01:30):
shaped by or I mean maybe there's they're the same
thing by like the Tom Green of it all. I
think Tom really fucked us up. And then only half
of us love weird and half of us hate it.
I think I'm in the last. So you think that
our generation had Tom Green sort of come into the
cultural an example, I'm not putting the blame on him.

(01:52):
Yeah it was. That was to Adreen Brodie. Did you
know one of the people who is never allowed to
come back to us? And I knew you would say this. Yes,
he decided to do a Rastafarian intro for the musical guest.
I forgot who was for, but he dressed in I
believe it was either Shaggy or Sean Paul. It was
Sean Paul. Oh, and then he was decided to do
like dreads and and all that stuff. He said. He said,

(02:15):
let me come out of appropriate real quick. Listen, how
are you feeling? Do you do you have jet lag
from Cromatica. I do have jet leg from Caromatica and
from landing in the Denver International Airport to see my
parents and my nieces Nice Slay, and I just have
to say that, oh my god, this is a crazy week,
but I would love to get into it with our guests. Honestly,

(02:38):
did our guest journey to Cromatica? Our guest did journey
to Kromatica? First of all, Oh my god, this is
gonna be one hell of an app I feel like
I run into our guests at very faithful moments this year.
Faithful moments. It's been those sort of moments where like
you're like lit in the sun and you sort of
whip around and turn and you see someone else very
well lit in the sun, and you're like, oh my god.
I just feels so faithful I was, and chances to

(03:01):
see the giest I think I would love to ask
our guests about because he has very publicly known opinions
about Taylor Swift. I don't know if this is the
platform where he wants he should talk about them, because
we do have we did somehow, we did somehow pulling
a swifty listenership, oh for sure, against all odds. And
I don't think I don't actually want to put him

(03:22):
in that position, and we might we might just cut
this out entirely. You know what. Here's here's what I'll
say about this episode. There's gonna be a lot of
opinions stated about the girls because also the readers are
very the readers are very upset with us that we
haven't even said the word renaissance on this podcast for
three weeks in a row, and it must it stopped here. Unique,

(03:42):
you won't break your soul. Unique, But no one knows.
The readers don't understand that we actually were waiting for
the Queen's remix to come out to comment that's remix,
and we're honestly waiting for the visuals to come out first.
That's that's the that's the realty, is that we want
the visuals to come out so that we want to
like actually do a holistic thing about Act one. I

(04:03):
am so happy to talk about all of the girls
with our guests. Our guest is, you know, one of
the girls, really one of the girls really this term
has been thrown around a little bit. Third host energy.
Oh hell yeah, third host energy. Not to put the pressure,
not to put the pressure on the guest. Well, now
the guest better absolutely fucking bring it because to come

(04:25):
up here and say third co host energy. And we've
only been chatting for minutes off Mike because peek behind
the curtain, we did chat before, chat before in the vestibule.
I think our guest is at this point a pop
culture icon. It's true, and someone who someone who you

(04:45):
see and it's like what you're saying, Like I saw
him at multiple points this year and it was like
it was glamorous, was giving, like wait, how did you
find your lighting? Because because because I turned and I
see him, I'm like, oh my god. I saw him
either night at the X and I literally walk in
to take a little piss and I turned around. I
whip around and I see our guests just holding court

(05:08):
but lit in the night in the Williamsburg night, and
I go, uh, and it was lovely. He did compliment
my skin. It horse met horse me does step look
it's because your skin has been looking insane And I've
actually said it on this podcast. It's it's it's the
zoom blur, I promise. Except remember last night when we
before we were going to see Titannique, which I did

(05:28):
finally bring boone. What do we ever find out what
that white flaky ship on your skin was? No? No,
I put on a Joan of Argus face mask. That
might have been. It was calm, it was kind and
no I wish, I wish What do you mean you wish? Have?
You haven't been dragging off? It wouldn't land on my face,
It wouldn't land on my don't know, then, honey, you're

(05:49):
not doing drags the guest. Let's bring him the guests.
What do you say? Roll roll up to roll out, rollout, bowen,
roll out. Okay, our guest is a legend um. He
competed on das at the Starrs. He is truly Cheryl
Burke too, which is like, that's not just competing, that's
being part of the fabric of the show. Okay, let's
just say that absolutely absolutely, and he is a maybe

(06:13):
the but one of the Peloton instructors that we love,
and maybe the but one of iconic, and maybe the
but one of I think, well, that's not up to us.
I don't think. But he's the he's the only one
I really go for. And it's it's really beautiful to
develop that rapport with something, you know what, it's like
it's speed dating, and then you always go back to
the one that you're like, well, no, you took care

(06:33):
of me since the beginning. You absolutely so anyway, absolutely
please welcome. All right, I was like, I love the intro.
That was a very iconic intro. Third host was already
been throwing around, Wow, I know, so now you better

(06:54):
come fucking hard with your takes on the girl on
the girls and like already like I was already nervous
about today. It's like, you bitches are funny and I
gotta keep up, Like you know, it's the same. Literally,
let's level with the reader the listener. We're all a
little we're giving a little Sunday tired, but we will transcend.
But we will transcend and there is no pressure. And

(07:16):
I'm so sorry. I did not mean to put that
pressure on any of us to deliver to that. This
is actually blame my being tired and I want to
know how everyone feels. Actually, CHROMATICA fucked up my sleep
because I decided to go hard at CHROMATICA and then
we really were up past CHROMATICA, because what are you
gonna do not continue to celebrate the journey. I went

(07:38):
hard for no literal reason. I went hard for no reason.
I chose chaos and violence and just I don't know
why I went there, but I did. I think I
took your class on the day of the You did
a class on the day of the show, And then
I think, or no, but you had you had a
class in the morning. I had a class at ten am,
and I didn't get to bed until probably like to.

(08:00):
But but a bitch is professional and I made it
and I actually slay the rides, honestly, and they were
one of some of my best. Here we go, I think,
I think you've been You've never been better, and I
think it will it will maintain that way. What I
really talked about into these holes, I'm like, this is this.
He will never go back. I'm tired. Okay, Cody, what

(08:26):
was your grammatical ball experience? Tell us I didn't get
tickets to like like the day of, so I'm grateful
for that. I manifested it. That was wonderful. She she
was in the pit with all the little monsters and
I in the pit. Yes, damn, but I didn't want
to get too close. I've seen I've seen her, you know,

(08:47):
I don't need I need. I don't need gud got
a spit on me. I needed it. And this actually
was my first ball. I've seen her randomly at different
live I actually was Bone and I were Bizarrely somehow
we ended up at the Gaga and Tony taping, so
that was the time I've seen her. But she was
very much giving, Like you know, I kept saying, where
then is Tony Bennett. He's gonna pop up on that stage,

(09:08):
like like Michelle out of the Super Bowl. I was like,
come on, Tony, let's go. Let's go somehow more rock
study than she. Ever, let's be honest, popped up and
planted his arm on his hip. That would have been
so iconic. What what an iconic fag Tony Bennett would
have proved to be in that moment. But let's be honest,

(09:29):
Gaga the first four songs was not dancing, and I
was a little concerned. I was a little concerned. For
the first four songs she was standing in gorgeous garments
and on a wall horizontally and I was like, I know,
I know, there's something wrong with the hip, the fiber
of my aalga. I was like, what's going on? And
then by fifth song she was really hitting the steps,
So I was very great by the time Act one started.

(09:51):
By the time one started, you got you got some steps.
The dancers were working very hard. The first five songs
it really war because she was in this basically kinetic
sculpture up top um, screaming dressed dance while she was
not moving herself, which is whatever. And then the jaws

(10:12):
of life came and took her out of the metal
garment and she finally began to after we were all
told it was the beginning of Act one. She was
thrust and we were all thrust into Chromatica itself. Remember
when we all sort of as an audience were sort
of staring towards the planet of Chromatica. And then Alice
started and it was very clear that she did not

(10:32):
know if her name was ours or not, but she
was sort of you know what I mean, like the
narrative had begun. I think she knew so, and my
my questions were the first four songs like a prelude,
is that what was going on. I think it was.
I think I think in the Gaga story structure it
always goes prelude at one, two, three, four. Yeah. Never

(10:55):
in the history of opera, of theater of music has
that ever been the structure. But she invented it. No,
it made perfect sense in a chromatic It was a
chromatic in structure. That's why it didn't necessarily quote unquote
make sense. But emotionally we felt every beat. It really is. Now, Cody,

(11:15):
what did you think she meant when she said to
the audience. At one point, she goes to the piano
and she says, well, first of all, okay, no, no,
first of all, let's let let's go in order. She
sings one, and in the sort of rev up to
the chorus, she screams to us one of her first
American shows, and she says, this country knows what to
do in an emergency. Let's go my biggest Let's go.

(11:39):
Do we though? Do we? She was also very very demanding.
She was telling us to like dance and jump, and
like I was like, okay, enough enough, Like I'm doing it.
Do I need to do more? Right? Mama? I just
like damn it. I would disagree with statement, I don't

(12:00):
I don't know if we do know what to do.
In egence, we've kind of we've kind of been fumbling
the ball in the past. This dot an emergency, what
act even more chaotic? Like CDC says fuck it? This
because this c d C. I said fuck it because
like bitch can't even get a monkey. So, like, you know,
we don't know what to do it We share Instagram

(12:22):
and for graphics. That's all we know how to do anymore. Essentially,
maybe she still thought she was in Europe and she
was like, oh funk, I said, I met one of
the countries I just left my bad girls. Fuck I
I thought the social safety net here it was different.
I thought that was something else, okay, And then Cody,
you remember her saying, because you know what will happen
when they try to come for gay marriage. You know

(12:44):
what's gonna happen. And if they come for gay marriage,
you know what's gonna happen. When if when? When I
just remember, literally everyone around me was just blank. It
was we can't even engage in this one. It to disconnect, baby,
We don't need to be reminded that it's that is
going away in a few in a few years and

(13:06):
were no cheers. So there were no cheers. We were
like mom must saying, I always remember was this, Will
you put that foot on that piano and get you
play the heads? Put the foot on the piano, put
the fot on the piano. I will say, not having
been to the other balls, I did leave the concert.
And mind you, I had true quite the you were

(13:26):
flipping a little, you were chop at mushrooms. I was
probably peaking, but I was leaving saying that was the
best concert of my life. I loved it. I loved it.
I don't know if it was the best, but like
I loved it. Okay, we we we we played this
game and it wasn't a game. But we asked everybody
in the car this on the way home. First concert,

(13:46):
favorite concert? Oh, okay you because I think I think
this is this is so instructive about Cody. I think
if you learn this about Cody, I think it'll tell
us a lot. And I know what is what is yours?
I know mine first concert ever? I think Aerosmith with
my mom, that's actually a good one. That's solid. I mean,

(14:06):
it's giving, it's giving, drag, it's giving followed by Twain,
so that that was a good second one and man,
I felt like a woman and best concert. Yeah, if
chromatical Ball wasn't then what was Beyonce's formation. I honestly
like lost my ship and I didn't have I had

(14:28):
like seats in the bleachers or whatever they called it.
And I'm actually glad that I did, because I got
the entire visual art direction and I ate it up.
So you were at City Field, Yes, I was also
at City Field, me Sudie and Henry and my boyfriend
at the time. We were in the last row in
the bleachers, last row up against the fence, like if
there wasn't offense, we would have fallen down. We were

(14:51):
by home plate, we were by home baker with baseball um.
But you were close, we were kind of, but we
were on the total opposite end of this age. So
like we were like technically like in the good seat,
like if it were a baseball game, a good seat.
But you're right, I am glad I got to see
the whole Like everything about that spinning cube was fucking

(15:12):
crazy to me. And then remember she did it was
like right after Prince passed away, and then she did
purple rain. It was unbelievable. Can I add another concert?
Yea Spice Girls Reunion tour. I lost my entire ship.
I saw it twice because I saw it. This is
when I lived in North Carolina. I saw it in
d C. And my seats were horrendous, so I had

(15:35):
to see it much closer. So I went again and
I put it on my AMEX and I probably didn't
pay it off until probably eight years later or so.
You know what was that like two thousand? No, that
when was or seven something like that. Yep, I remember
that because I remember I remember remember when they did
that documentary called Boys Fate. Remember when they did that

(15:55):
documentary where it was like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the
five hour long documentary. I was at Boys State when
the Spice Girls announced they were going to do that tour,
and I've never felt like more of a fagot than
in that moment. I was just like I was around
all like these military military boys, like, well, the Spice
Girls are coming back, and they were like get out

(16:15):
of yeah, you know, you were the only one and
it wasn't get out of here, like like get out
of here. I was like, actually, ejectively, um, did you
watch the Shania Twain documentary on Netflix. It's not watched. Watch.
She's been through it. She's been to Helen back. I

(16:35):
mean the whole ship about her husband cheating on her
like with their friend, and her losing her voice because
of the trauma of that and then having to relearn
how to sing. It's really crazy either oh yeah, oh,
she she like lost the ability to sing because largely
because she was so traumatized by her divorce, and then

(16:58):
she got ill and then she lost the ability to
and had to relearn how to sing. It was like, okay,
not to bring in this like different current event, but
why is this theme through the decades up and down
like the spectrum of success? Like why is it that,
like our most talented female singers and songwriters get cheated
on by their husbands and then they are like fully,

(17:19):
they're the ones who somehow suffered the most. Like the
Michelle Branch news is driving me believe it. I have
a controversial take on it, which is the fact that
he called do you know what happened with Michelle? I'm
just gag that you're still following Michelle Branch but live
She's okay, no, no, I never stopped and how dare you?

(17:43):
It's truly okay. So basically for for readers, Michelle Branch
was arrested for domestic for domestic violence on Thursday morning,
and it was because she found out that her husband,
the drummer for the Black Keys, which I didn't even
know still existed after two thousand five, cheated on her

(18:06):
while she was at home with the baby with a
six month old. Yeah, and so she slapped him twice,
but when the cops showed up, there were no visible
and not that this like justifies the sort of idea
the concept of like domestic abuse or physical violence. Is
your controversial take map that like he's a fucking idiot
he thought. My controversial take is that he is a

(18:26):
he he is a complete loser who ruined this woman's life.
And then he comes home, it takes two slaps to
the face and then calls the police. So then now
she gets arrested. And now because they're going to have
a divorce, now she has an arrest record for domestic violence.
Went and like it's gonna probably like affect like maybe
even custody because he called the police on his small

(18:49):
life who slapped him a couple of times. Because he
humiliated her and broke her completely. I called bullshit on
that one. Yeah, period, be bothered to learn his name anyway, Sorry, Cody,
We're just we're we haven't we haven't unloaded on this,
we haven't downloaded each other on this on our reactions.
I just looked him up and he's just not cute.
So they never are. No drummer is going to be cute.

(19:12):
That's no drummer is gonna be But I don't care
ahead think what you want to think. I just think
she's so beautiful. She is a beautiful star. Every picture
that's in this new speed just looks like she's taking
a picture with a fan of them. Yeah. Now here's

(19:34):
me and my full on douchebag husband. We support Michelle,
we love Michelle. Yeah, but that was not that was
not a fun thing to hear about at all. But
I think also the fact is like these these women,
like they marry these guys and they can't handle having
like I don't think they can handle having a dynamic wife.
Like I mean, like even like Shania, like like Robert

(19:58):
mutt Lange was the name of her husband, and he
like Robert Mutlin, Yeah, who I think was also something
he was like a genius musician, but and like actually
revolutionized her career, like her like second country album that
came out before Come On Over, like he jumped on
at the documentary talks about this, and it like he
was like a rock musician. So he made her country

(20:19):
songs like pop and he did like um any Man
of Mine and like all her like big country hits
because the first album was like sort of successful, like
not as huge as her other ones. And then Come
On Over still to this day is the biggest selling
female album of all time. Still to this day, any
genre and genre is the best selling album by a

(20:42):
woman ever. That's that's history. That's not like Whitney speaking up.
Not Whitney, not Adele, not like any of any of
like the the more crossover people. That was the crossover album.
I mean come on Over, like I mean our own
Cody Rigsby went to the concert. He probably saw all
types of folks. I can barely remember. It was also

(21:03):
like the era of like the height of people buying music.
Because a little bit after that, which is when I'm
buying music. Napster, Baby Napster ended that quick Napster said,
taking you out back music industry shot to the head.

(21:29):
My first concert was Mariah Carey, and my best concert
was I think it was Beyonce, but it wasn't Formation.
It was when I saw her do four at Roseland Volumes.
She did four shows at Roseland and it was absolutely
insane watching her perform for Live, like newly, like free
of Matthew, like she he wasn't managing her anymore. She

(21:52):
did that fucking incredible album, and then watching her just
tear it up. And then the real gag was about
month and a half. Two months later was the VMA's
where she revealed she was pregnant when she sang Love
on Top and then dropped the mic and revealed her
baby bump, and I was bump, Okay, we have a
truth here. You know this is nice. That is what

(22:18):
it's giving Third Colors energy because we meet something coming
with the controversy. I've seen the video and that bump
it does, the bump folded, folded, it folded. I saw
with my very own eyes. Is mad at you. I mean,
there's there's one group of fans that you don't want
mad at you. It is the bee, the beehive. And

(22:41):
of course Teresa Judaic is tree huggers. There are the
beehive of the housewives community. That's a real culture, number
forty four the community, and they're all they're militant right
now as well, I go tell us mine. My first

(23:02):
one was Imagine Heat, which I was telling that I
used to think was like not a cool because Okay,
my parents didn't really like let me go to like
concerts when I was growing up, Like they wouldn't know
what's like take me to. So it wasn't until high
school and like I had my own money to spend that,
like all of our friends in drama club, We're going
to Imagine and Heat. And then I was like it
was an amazing show and it was into my space,

(23:25):
so you know. One this was after the Tonic MySpace
Iconic didn't have that. I'd like to meet someone who
did not have that as their space song at one point,
at one point thinking that you were so unique. Well,

(23:46):
that was the trap of indie music at that time,
was that everyone thought they were being so like crate
diggye underground, Like oh, I really like dug this out
of a record shop and it's like, no, every fucking
fourteen year old in the country house this because we're
all watching the C. I only made it past the
first season of The o C. Well, it went off

(24:09):
a cliff after the first season. I think I didn't
miss much that, okay, but you did sort of miss
some camp when Mischa Barton threw that pool chair into
the pool. It was the first season. It was Oliver trash.
Oh my god. Oliver was the best arc of television history.

(24:33):
Oliver on the o C when he had a gun,
Oh my god, and that was terrible. And we've talked
about how samayor Armstrong, who played um, what's her face
like Anna? That's the long triangle between Rachel Bilson, Adam
Brody No, no no, Adam Brodie and not Adrian. Can I

(24:57):
just tell you I cringed at that because I had
a like one of my first boyfriends kind of looked
like Adrian Brodie, so like I could never go I
just like I can't. I completely disagree. But anyway, but
on what happened with samar we know what happened, but
what happened to all the readers, she's like full Q
and on now I think she's it's actually a really

(25:19):
culture at number ten Strong Mom's cute, but then the best.
But I will say about Image and like, oh that
is now like like they did a hold right up
about this where it's like she has influenced everybody now
where Casey Musgraves when right when she wrote Golden Hour

(25:39):
was like, what would it sound like if Image and
he made a country album. That's what I want this
album to sound like. Yeah, that makes sense, Ariana Grande
doing like like full on covers um we said, Taylor Swift,
I mean you could argue that Delicate is like entirely
a call back to something like that into Cody. Is
there a way that we can convince you that, like
there's good Taylor stuff is what's what? What's your? We

(26:02):
don't have to get into it if you don't want
to break it down for us, Mama fish Okay, So
it's a theme. So I had a boyfriend in college,
so I really, I really, I really liked like like
tear drops in the guitar to mcgral with what was
like the really breakthrough album which we belong together, Fearless

(26:26):
was solid, and then what was that afterward? What was
after that? Speak now which people speak now, which is
probably know all three of those albums, and this is
Nick this is the lost culture, says exclusive. I've never
said that before. Okay, okay, you actually know you know
Taylor Swift fear list and speak now he's book off

(26:47):
book off the record anyway, on the record, on the record, uh,
on the record title of app. I just like I
can't relate like she dances like this is a getty noodle,
Like I just don't think she's a good person, Like
I just don't see it for her. Okay, Okay, no, no,
no, no no, This is totally shout out to everybody that

(27:10):
likes Taylor Taylor Swift, like you know, like enjoy your
enjoy your life. I do enjoy my life very much,
thank you very much. And so I would say the
thing about Taylor is I've actually noticed that sometimes people
criticize me and Bowen for being so pro Taylor because

(27:33):
there was an era of this podcast. And this is
true and we're just gonna come clean about it. There
was an era of this podcast that was not pro Taylor,
and it it proceeded I believe when was no, it
was not. It was like it was like around like
the when Taylor became so Taylor that like when she

(27:57):
did get brought down a peg by and Kim and
by a peg, I mean almost entirely. It was when
people were sort of like not happy to see her fail,
but like they weren't concerned about her, like like, oh no,
our faith. It was like there were people that were
sort of snickering at the fact that, like she was,

(28:18):
she was revealed as being you know, un calculated quote
unquote person Cody. But so I was just calculation. For me,
everything is calculated, That's what I'm saying, Like, why are
you up front? You're you're the front row of every
show with a new best friend, and you're dancing and
at the moment that the camera hits you, you know
exactly when to have fun and dance. They probably don't

(28:40):
even follow each other on Instagram. She probably doesn't even
have this girl's phone number, you know what I'm saying,
Like she's there with Selena Gomez and probably doesn't even
have her phone number saved in her phone, do you you
know what I'm saying. It was the most transparent when
she did have all of like the season eleven girls
of Drag Race with her at the v Amaze and
it's like you've never you probably I don't think you've
watched an episode of this show except for maybe j

(29:01):
Jolie doing you on Snatch Game, but otherwise, like I think,
like in the in the package of clips you got like,
I don't think you have a full to full context
for like who like you know, fucking like Rajo'harra is
like and and she never was very vocal about anything
gay for until Yeah. Well she discusses that in the documentary,

(29:23):
the Miss Americana Documentary, where she's like she felt she
couldn't be and I think that is when she was
peak annoying. Was when she was the most famous pop
star in the world, when she was in her apex
With album and like the world started to burn around
her and it felt like she wasn't doing anything about
it when other people were and like maybe suffering for it.

(29:46):
When it felt like she was like the capitalist pop star,
like and you know, the short little blond Bob, the supermodels,
you know what I mean, That is when the Collie
class of it all. That is when I think, but
we're like not this And then when that all came
tumbling down. I think then she was like I can

(30:08):
say we were back on the up and up because
I think she did get oversaturated, and I think that
we are guilty of not being like Ride or Die
tailor throughout every era that I mean, We're just gonna
be transparent about it. Totally, totally, totally, but we're we
love her. A great businesswoman, a great businesswoman, you know,
like I will respect I do respect the check, so

(30:29):
you know, respect the check and even be doing the
album so she's getting more checks, like congratulations, we thoroughly
stan okay, period, But then she comes out in her
private jets. Yeah but not the third co host. Okay,
I'm gonna sitment myself over here and uh yeah, oh

(30:51):
my god, I feel that I feel like I really
back to Cody into a corner with that. It's the
third okay, okay, okay, okay, but I just people are
gonna be ad, but it's okay. I live, I I
stand in my truth. I said everything that I said
with my full chest, and that's okay. Yes, you do
speak from the chest. You you come out with some
takes in class, and you do seem to have like

(31:13):
a good, emotionally mature response to all of them. Suld
you get some unhinged response based on the smallest things
you say when you're on camera. Yeah, And I feel
like that's like part of that's like half of the
job in a way, is like knowing how to like
handle yourself when you have to like notice speak to
like moms and you know, like the suburbs and like

(31:36):
fags in the city and like everyone in between. You know,
like it's a it's it's it's like a really trippy thing.
And I can't say I can relate because I feel
like it's a very specific thing in terms of like
the fitness space where it's like you really have to
like present yourself as like this very like um understandable person.

(31:59):
Does that makes end? Yeah? I think I I love
that I get to like bring people like, you know,
bring people into it and like, yeah, the suburban housewives
that don't have a gay friend, like they're they're they're
getting into the culture, you know, like they allow themselves
to kind of like feel the fantasy for a little bit.
And why not we? I mean, are we say that

(32:21):
our our our listener is a woman named Katie who's
who works in who She's a communications major who lives
outside of Chicago. Was what I say? I wanted to
ask you, out of ten, how many people that say
they love what you do are named Katie? Like, out
of ten, would you say for me? It's like say

(32:46):
get six for all of us. In fact, literally the
other night Bowen, when we were leaving, the girl girl
came up and I always asked whenever anyone's like, hey,
I'm a fan, like I just wanted to say hi.
I always say I always ask what their name is,
and this girl said Katie. And I don't even react anymore.
I'm like, Katie, it was so nice to meet you.
Like they're they're so many, it's an army of Katie's.

(33:08):
We need to stop calling them the readers and call
them the Katie Katie like period Like, if you're, if you've,
if you've previously been a reader of this podcast, you
are like and that's what we call our bee hive.
You are now the Katie's. This is the Katie era.
This is the Katie era, of of of of lost culture.
I was speaking of which Toody recently went to go

(33:29):
see Katie and Vegas right good was that I got
my life? Bitch. It's hit after hit after hit after
after you know the words, you know, everyone's every fu song,
she's giving you camp, she's giving you theatrics. It was
so good. I'm so glad it went. And that was
literally twenty four hour trip because that was the only

(33:49):
reason I was going to Vegas. It's the only way
you can do Vegas. That we just went for my birthday.
Phone didn't get to come. The straight community loves Vegas.
The straight loves Vegas. It's their fire island. I mean
in a but it's so fun. I I do love
a good hard like almost forty eight hours in Vegas.

(34:13):
I do because you do always do something stupid, and
you do always remember. I remember all the stupid should
I do well? Remember slash happily don't like remember all
the stuff that has happened in Vegas. And I do
believe it stays in Vegas, thank God. Yeah, it's it's
dark sided. It's not Christian, like just keep it there.

(34:35):
It's certainly not Christian. Oh no, it's the least Christian
city I went to. That's not even a real culture.
That's a that's a rule of life, like in like
Las Vegas. Las Vegas is not not Christian. But you know,
I think the girls are all gonna are all ending
up there are making pit stops there and it's like
we keep going because that's where the girls are. Well,

(34:55):
I need to reschedule, is Kelly. I know, Adel just
rescheduled her her the guest residency, but the Vegas regular
residency that was canceled that was starting on April Fools
Day twenty that was canceled was Kelly Clarkson, who, of
course is my number one. I'm a big fan, Hue.
I saw you on Kelly. You guys had a lovely time.
She was lovely, but she was quick, honey. She that

(35:17):
was a well oiled machine. It was in and out.
I was like, okay, let's go. They give you a record?
Did they? Did they give you a record? A vinyl?
As part of your game? Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation. That's
a really good one. That's a really good one. They
gave me not one that matches me, which makes me
think that like it's they just pick it out of
a box. What did she give you? What? For people

(35:38):
at home? For the Katie's at Home listening, Kelly Clarkson
gives all of her guests a vinyl as a gift,
and she personal as beautiful gift beautiful. She personally picks
it out like she actually got for Joel Kim Booster.
She gave him the back to Basics Christina Aguilera vinyl,
which is a cool Yeah. I don't know that she
does pick it up because do you guys want to

(35:59):
guess what she me? No, we don't want to guess. Okay.
Bruce Springsteen's greatest hits m Homophone, maybe maybe I love
I love Bruce Springsteen, Electory Chair. She thought he's Mikey Day.
She thought you were a Mikey Days greams. Bruce Springsteen

(36:20):
also got talking about Bruce Springsteen. I am proud of
her for knowing that she was in Jersey. You know,
I feel like it was She's very conflicted. Did she
say she's in Jersey? She's in New York? You know,
I don't know. Well, that's the thing with MetLife Stadium
because when we saw Taylor again, like and I have
to say, I want to stress like Taylor is the
majority of music that I listened to. I do love Taylor.

(36:42):
You guys know, I love Taylor. The majority of the
music that you listen to. You I wish it was
not because Cody. There's because there's variety, there's you're you're
you're getting a different, a different fantasy with Okay, you've
got pop, you've got country, you've got country crossover, you've
got folkey music. You've got I think that's about it.

(37:06):
End game. You have absolute gangster rap. But she Taylor
said she will try it. Though she will try, she
kept talking about like I love Jersey, like it's so
amazing to be in Jersey tonight, Like how's it going Jersey?
And we were like god, like we're in New York.
And then as I think she did toss off, she
did at some point be like she was like, no,

(37:27):
Wholier came in from New York tonight and everybody, I
will Okay, I will get credit to Taylor. This is
what I want. What I wanted more of CHROMATICA. I
wanted more production value. I needed like a little bit
more production value. And Taylor had a like snake coming
out of Goddamn wasn't an incredible concert. You can watch

(37:48):
it on Netflix. I'll pass. But you know, watched that
and I remember she's trying to be a pop star.
It's just like, no, girl, that not your lane. That's
like you you like it? When she was Taylor Swift
with a hard R and a hard team, and not
when she's Taylor Swift with a very loose a and

(38:11):
a and because she's a player. You know, Yeah, katie's're
bringing back the word player, like hate player, player. I
wish I would date that guy, but I know he's
a player. He's a player. Okay, put it. Put a
pin in that well. Okay, So she did put out
um in response to the three l W lawsuit, Yeah,

(38:34):
issuing her for potentially stealing the lyrics. Players are gonna
play hate. It's gonna hate for schack it off. Good
for them. They need a check. I'm all about and
I'm all about chasing a check. So get her. Absolutely
get her. She might have to take one or two
less private planes a month. Give her to get her.
Every plane, by the way, every plane flying over at,

(38:55):
every plane plant fling over, met Life Stadio, every fagon
in that seae was like, oh, look, Taylor Swift. But
if Taylor has put out Steven saying that she has
never heard of the of the group three ill W
or the song players go and play, which is ridiculous,
which that is not true, Tay, come on and that's

(39:19):
when I that's when I can't fully like support it.
I'm like, no, like you can't like that was that
was Radio Disney. That was all over Radio Disney. You
know what I'm saying. You're listening to that everything face
with that. No, No, she has heard players they're gonna pay.
I will say this. I hope this. She throes Adrian

(39:41):
Bailon Howton some check because we know the Real is canceled.
The Real is canceled. It's too bad. But I can
also understand that Cody, Cody's sort of approach to Taylor
is informed by this, you know this ax that is
emotionally a little prickly because you you'll think of him
if you was in the Taylor, you're a broken heart
that so long ago. It's so long ago. But I know, No,

(40:06):
you don't seem like you. You seem really raw. No,
not what was he like? What was it fun? I
was like it was like nineteen like we didn't. You
never forget that one. You never forget never, never never. Okay,
I think it's time to ask Tody the question. Well,
I just want to say, I just want to say

(40:26):
before we ask the question and spin off, we do
have to give renaissance thoughts because here we are, we've
talked about all the girls, and we have to give
renaissance thoughts. So let's just say, what are your unique
thoughts about renaissance? What are your thoughts No one else
has go that no one else has well because they've
heard the Katies, ever heard all the other takes, Yes,
Coaches coming in hot almost a month late. My my

(40:49):
unique thought, my unique thought is to listen to it
on a plane the next time you're gonna plane Katie's
You're Gonna, You're gonna. It's like watching a movie on
a plane. It's like you're really going to be hit
in a different way, in a more impactful way. It
really opened up the rest of the album for me,
like like I was more like I was more of
a back half girl. And then on this flight recently,

(41:09):
I was listening to the front half and I was like,
wait a minute, this whole thing is incredible. You were
you didn't the front half didn't hit for you at
the jump because like fit and comfit. By the way,
when when Lizzo heard Coffett, she was shaking in her boots.
When Lizzo heard that song, it's a very Lizzo track.
Let's just be honest. It's a it's it's a Lizzo

(41:30):
s track. It's a Lizzos track. And there is this conspiracy,
not a conspiracy, but there's a theory that Beyonce does
not like Lizzo. Oh wow, well why because she wasn't
mentioned in the I think I think now all of
the wasn't she wasn't she mentioned in that. She was
not in the Queen's Rex. Lizza was not mentioned in
the Queen's Remax. Also missing is Mariah I'll say that

(41:52):
and Brandy Brandy and Becca producer Becca says, but she
did give Lizzo a birthday post. Okay, so all mind
because I wanted it to not be true. So thank
you so much for disproving alright, so that I still
want to know. I also want to know why the
track America has a Problem is not political at all.
I thought it was going to be very political, and
it's it's not. It's note I'm obsessed with the fact

(42:15):
that it's called America has a Problem and everyone was
like cracking their knuckles getting ready for that, and then
it's just about more about her. Fucking I absolutely love it.
She's like, and I thought, my husband like this too,
by the way, and it's like, but America has a America.
I thought America had a problem and we're gonna have
a discourse about it. What happened. We would talk about
how America had a problem. Thought Beyonce was going to
help solve the problem. But now she was like, nope.

(42:36):
Sometimes beyond Beyonce gets it from the back from Jay
And I was like, okay, okay, well that colors in
some lines at least. I mean, jay Z definitely got
a break on this album because I want to worried
about the man the booty gonna do what it wants to. Okay.
I would say my unique thoughts about Renaissance are that

(42:57):
it is the album of the year. Obviously that's not
a unique thought, but I would say that won't won
just like like, if it doesn't, I will protest. I
will take to the streets with the fervor of any
other issue. America has a problem, and honestly, America will
have a major problem, and I will be the same
shouting it from the rooftops, and it won't be about

(43:17):
high got it in my butt. It will be about
how Beyonce doesn't have an Album of the Year Grammy
after this year, it must happen. It does seem like
there's going to be two more chances, this being an
act one of three. But I hope that they don't, like,
you know, Lord of the Rings, this ship and wait
till the last one to give it the big award,
because we must award Beyonce now like do it in
the now like award these people now say to the

(43:39):
talented people of now, we recognize your talented now. Don't
let it be like an Haiti who We're only saying, hey,
you know she was a good actress after she's tragically passed.
And I'll get to that in my I don't think so, honey.
But back to my unique thoughts on Renaissance. I believe that, yes,
it is like a cohesive album, like you can listen
to it through and think, wow, I got my life.
There is a standout track. It is only in Superstar

(44:00):
and I think it has risen to the top and
I think we can't deny that. No, that that's undeniable.
It is. It is the song. You guys think it's
the song, Well, now that the break my soul Queen's
remix came out. I think that's the song, and I
think it's like I just think it's watershed. But like
Alien Superstar, I mean, Virgo's groove got a lot of
attention off the top, and I totally agreed with that.

(44:23):
I do love Summer Renaissance. I love the Donna Summer sample.
I think that's like, really, you don't Cody, you don't
stand somewhere. It's fair. Look, I I'm just appreciated that
it's a body of work because people don't make a
body of work to be People don't make a body
of work anymore, and I appreciate a body of work
that I can listen to from front to back. Summer
Renaissance is solid. I like it. By that, I guess

(44:45):
like it's by that it's time. You're like, okay, I've
I've heard the album, yeah, but I have not stopped
listening to an album like, Okay, what's your unique thought?
I told you? But wait, what was that? America has
a problem is not political? Im guy's a problem is
not political? Right right right right right right right in
this moment in American history. To not be political in

(45:06):
America has a problem. Beyonce, We're looking at you with
an awkward eye, but also always satiated by you telling
us how you're getting it. This is a hot take
it up, but I feel like I'm gonna I just question. Yeah,
Beyonce is using the queer culture, but what she about
the queer culture until this album came out? So it's funny.

(45:26):
I'm just it's just Devil's advocate, like in a statement,
I'm just asking a question. Damn, I'm loving this was Beyonce.
Like last year in Pride, everyone's like, Beyonce is coming
to this dingy Brooklyn club and everyone's got to be there.
She did not come, you know what I'm saying, Like
it was like her team was there or whatever. The funk?
Yeah sure, but whatever, But I'm like, so so Becca.

(45:47):
Becca has announced in the in the in the chat
that she is of beehive and now she I can
feel her rage. So this album is dedicated to her
gay uncle, and there's a speech she gave attributing him
the community. Yes we know all about uncle Johnny. Awards, Yes,
the GLAD Awards, and she was she was a ordered
with a GLAD Award and she gave a very emotional
speech about Uncle Johnny and Uncle Johnny's in the liner notes, etcetera.

(46:10):
And take the floor. Well, I think Matt and I
both chuckle anytime we think about the fact that before
even before this album came in, anytime you think about
the fact that after Brittany Madonna kissed the v m as,
her response to the media was that she was disgusted.
But I don't know that she was discussing the homost

(46:31):
sexuality of its famously a Christian girl, she's a Christian girl,
but I think she was. She's a church girl. She's
a church girl. Don't hurt nobody, but she I think
she We can't quite pinpoint. Yeah, Okay, Becka says, you're
not wrong there. Okay, So we have be high confirming this,
and we are, of course be high as well firmly,
firmly firm bestate life formation. Okay. And it's interesting that

(46:55):
you bring this up because I was at up how
I was in North Carolina all places, working this job,
and I he's working with a bunch of heteroes and
they were like the straight community. The straight community was
like as a little confused by it because they're like
and then one person even said, it sounds like she's
like using lingo. That's like that just doesn't sound right
on her, And I'm like, oh, that's definitely not true.

(47:16):
It's not that it doesn't sound right on her. It's
like she like she's representing a community that invented the lingo.
I have to say, completely insane for straight people to
say this lingo doesn't sound They cannot be the ones
to say that, like jail time for them. I think
it's just that like electric chair, Literally, I think it's

(47:37):
an adjustment. I think, like I think that we just
we we are not used to Beyonce being this like
direct and faggoty exactly. You get the sense that, like
so many of these pop stars know and make it
a part of their thing that they are gay icons,
you know what I mean. Like Lady Gaga's allish up
to the queer community is so intrinsic in what she does,

(47:59):
and like it feels like in terms of the queer
community and in terms of being a queer icon, which
Beyonce so undoubtedly is. It never seemed top of mind
for her. Only seemed like recently that she's even really
publicly acknowledged her uncle Johnny who were now to believe
was like a major influence on her, and it just
seems like maybe this was a little bit more of

(48:21):
a struggle in her growing up and in her maturity
than it was for her peers that are like major
pop stars who have been like unabashed about being queer
icons and olice to the queer community. Because while I'm
like not doubting it at all, and this is like
an extremely like lived in, like experiential piece of work

(48:42):
that she's made, it just seems like she's never been
out here being like, hey gay is okay? Doja cat?
She didn't even make a no hate picture in the
early two thousand oh Wait and they come after game.

(49:07):
We're teasing, were cheasing, we're teasing. But if they if
they if Daga says, if they don't, if they come
from gay marriage, then Beyonce will doing no hate, thank god,
And then we're then where's pull up and that's lock up.

(49:27):
But you're right, Matt, I think like this is speaking
to like the fact that she has had to maybe
catch up on a lot of things, especially after you
pointed out like after she dropped her father, after Matthew
Knowles was out of the picture in the business side
of things, she was able to be like right from
performed from a more liberated place. Yeah, be like this

(49:48):
fucking doll for someone else. And I think, I think, yeah,
this is probably just a journey for her, like like
her awareness what's up? But even like the form formation
Arrow was like the I'm not not the first time,
but like where she was very liberated in her blackness
to you know what I'm saying, Like, also do this

(50:10):
like the album after maybe of course, of course, you know,
I think that like she she always was, but I
think that there was like an immediacy to it which
was like very very important to the moment. And I think,
like it's this thing, like we said with Taylor, like
it's like you we do look to these people to

(50:32):
make statements to the people now, like you do have
to when you have a platform and you have influence,
Like no, you don't have to do anything obviously, but
it's immensely helpful. We see what happens when these people
speak to their fan bases. So when it feels like
someone is like a washed out version of what they
can be like now, we notice. And so when it

(50:52):
comes to these very calculated pop culture icons and these
fixtures in pop culture, there is always a question of
how is this serving you? You know what I mean,
Like whenever you're speaking to and speaking for a certain community,
I think, so I totally understand like where that's coming from.

(51:12):
And I also think like it's touchy, you know what
I mean, Like whenever anyone is like I am speaking
for the queers now, it's it's like you sort of
get this like intrinsic thing, like oh yeah, of course,
and they always have. But then you backtrack and that's
not really true because you know, there's different things that play.
But I think with Beyonce, I think she's like kind

(51:33):
of giving us, like dumping a lot of knowledge download
onto us. Like with the Queen's Remix, it's like okay, yes,
Like she she's nodding to all of the houses, and
she's nodding to like all of like the girls from
the past to get back. For sure, she's taking it
back and it's I mean, that's it's a genius piece

(51:55):
of music in terms of absolutely reclaiming the song Vogue,
but also not shopping Madonna. You know you're not You're
not like saying fuck you Madonna, Like this was our
thing and you made it yours. For a second, it's
like no, like there's this beautiful intersection of things that
like you can sort of pay homage to that, but
also like trying to move forward with like the ownership

(52:15):
of it. But yeah, I'm saying, like I think that's like,
that's that's where I get the sense like Beyonce is
not doing this in bad faith or not doing it
just for the cloud, not even cloud. Yeah, exactly, I
don't think she is either at all. When I first
heard that new bridge on the Queens, I had to
I literally had to deposit and stand up because I

(52:36):
was like, oh, this is such a moment, this is
such a genius moment, and like it also was just
so like now those people are solidified in time, you
know what I mean. Like and there's like like and like, yes,
I love what you said about like her, not like
shooting on Madonna. She instead made Vogue their thing, you
know what I mean. Now it's something that truly can

(52:58):
feel like it is a celebration of all these icons
like from this community. Because when you think about like
like Madonna like taking ballroom culture and then and then
using the word vogue and then shouting back to the
white actresses of the past, like it is a little weird,
great perspective. I just didn't even think. I didn't even

(53:20):
think about that. It just doesn't. It doesn't. It's not
like it's certainly not an A too B, nor is
an a TOC. It's like what it's like, what are
we saying? Like d drinking the Maaggio for Vogue and
you're voguing in the video, like what is the connection here?
Just that you're in black and white and they did
movies in black and white. I don't know, but you
know it just I feel like it all makes sense
and comes together in a gorgeous, stunning way now. And

(53:41):
I love the song, love the album, and love Beyonce
obviously the artist of our lifetime. I think it's time
to ask Tody question, which is Tody to be? What
is the culture that made you say? Culture is for me?

(54:03):
This is the formative pop culture for you? Um that
you can can trace back to your beginnings. Seeing Brittney
Spears in a bohemian outfit with a fedora hat barefoot
out of a gas station bathroom while people asked for
her signature really fortified just so much joy and excellence

(54:28):
in my life. I knew that then I could be
anything that I wanted to be, and that a messy
boy from the South would achieve greatness only because she
paved the way for people like us. And that is
when I knew that the culture it was in fact
for me. I forget to be a full paragraph, I

(54:52):
mean like literally thesis statement on the essay that was beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
She I felt what could be the messy Southern gay
because of that messy Southern girl from can what Louisiana,
Honey remember the name? Now? Is this the moment where

(55:13):
she Wasn't this It was not. It was not when
she was like going through like uh, very messy and
shaking the head. No, this was this is like peak fame,
Like this is peak peek, Like maybe like after in
the zone she probably maybe dating cafe ed at the time,
but really went into that bathroom with no no shoes,

(55:37):
no fox to give, no fox to give, no shoes,
no fox to give title of that no shoes. No,
that's actually the title of her book that's coming out.
How are you feeling about Brittany in the present moment? Like,
what are your thoughts. I just want Brittany to be happy.
I just want her to live her live. That is
the company line. I hope that she's getting great dick

(55:59):
from that very handsome man, and um yeah yeah, that's
that's about it. I don't need new music from her.
I honestly, if she wants to make it, congratulations, but
I don't. I don't need an album. She's She's literally
giving us a lifetime of hits, hot tracks, bops, iconic performances.

(56:22):
We're we're good bad like take a take a break,
take a nap, go sleep, go taking them kids. I
don't know, just like you're good. Yeah, I what do
you think? What are you feeling? What are you guys
feeling about this Elton John track? It'll be cute to
be interesting would be like, um, you know, um the
do a thing doing rocket Man. I did like that.
I did like duo though, and Elton John that that

(56:43):
that that caught me by surprise that I actually liked
it that much. Not that I'm not an Elton John
can and I'm a huge do leap a fan. But
do you know when you mix old and it just
doesn't work, it doesn't work. But Gaga and Elton also
slayed in CHROMATICA. We we didn't get that at the tour,
but we did not get signed from above, which I
did not but Tony Bennett, because Tony Bennett couldn't make it.

(57:04):
He was gonna do with Eldon's part, and Tony Bennett
going I was at would have been a gag. I was, Oh,
that's good. You think Laura Lauren Matt has a Tony
Bennett host for Joker Folio do, Tony. I think I

(57:34):
think so much of your The moment I became obsessed
with you was when you know, we all learned the
rule that like when you play Britney Spears, we function up.
I have not. I need to revisit the fact that
she taught me everything I know about how to listen
to music, about how to like every watch music videos. Yeah,

(57:54):
every homosexual, every homosexual on Fire Island is dressed like
a two thousands of Britney Spears video. They've got the
rhinestone g string out, they've got the they've got the
broad top, they've got the sparkle pant. Like, everybody is
dressed like a Britney Spears video. Right now, I would

(58:14):
say there was there was the day before Britney Spears
was a thing and there was the day after. I
mean it was a sea change. It was a sea change.
Nothing solidified my homosexuality more than like the Oops, I
did it again performance at the M A M. Right,
she could rock a Fedora. The Fedora is actually kind
of fanatic in her and really Fedora like she's she's

(58:37):
loved a Fedora for far too long. I I would
say stopped, but like I'm gonna let her know. It's
her thing her. They really placed that Fedor on her
on her head during the Blackout album. They're like, Okay,
we need we need something to fix this picture. Here
you go girl. Yeah, her influence on fashion at that

(58:58):
time that really thrust us into Fedora era and that
was not good for the majority of people before Justin Timberlake,
to be honest, before Justin, but Fedora wascited to get it,
to be amazed right in the zone and then the
music video yep, and then then be More album and

(59:19):
the Blackout also, have we clocked this as a culture
yet that like she has this through line and it
just said it pretty much says everything that like the
Britney Spears look alike in the crimea River music video
was really only a look alike because she had blonde

(59:40):
hair and a fedora as she walked into her home,
and they're like, we know who that is? God, what
a tacky guy. I not a chair Kelly Clarkson great
people talking about Kelly. Oh no I did. I did

(01:00:04):
electric cheering Kelly for giving me a Bruce spring but
her chance let her free, don't. I don't like thinking
about Kelly and the electric chain. We would never let
it happens. Never. And I just found a hundred and
fifteen images on Getty images of Britney Spears and Fedora.

(01:00:27):
I'm getty, not even on Google. I'm getty. I believe
there's a New Year's Eve moment. Here's what I can
tell because she's performing in Times Square. Yeah, yeah, that
makes sense. I think I think we're about to get
the Fedora back in full force. I don't want it.
Do you think that? Do you think that Bowen? I

(01:00:47):
don't know about you and a Fedora. I certainly not, Cody,
I guess I kind of I see you in the Fedora.
I really if anyone, if anyone can like be the
Britney Spears, like in an sir in fashion and the culture.
It could be you excuse me giving guys and dolls.
I'm not here for that. Do you know what I

(01:01:09):
just realized again that we have to talk about is
your Mickey Mouse tattoo. I'm not a Disney adult otherwise.
I do appreciate going to the parks from time to time.
But I have a lot of Mickey. I have a
lot of Mickey apparel. I think Mickey is a pop
culture Americana icon, no doubt, and Disney adult. So I

(01:01:34):
just want to get this the facts together. Okay, So
we let's get the facts together then, because I would say,
and Bowen, let me know if you agree that having
a lot of merch and having a tattoo of Mickey
on your bicep does make it more of a Disney
adult than like not going to the parks like I
don't know, once every couple of months. No, Matt, I
think Cody is like an our in our fantasy where

(01:01:55):
we do not identify as Disney adults either. But you
know we love to funk it up at the parks,
the parks, We really do that. It's about enjoying. It's
about just going there and enjoying. You so right, king,
well what what what? What? What? No? I was promised

(01:02:16):
one chaperone trip to Disney after doing Dance with the Stars,
and I have not I have not cashed in that
token yet, and so I'm waiting, what which one World
or World or Land. I think I think you've got
to go to World. Then if they're offering you the opportunity,
you have to go to World. And also, like I
know for a fact that Kenya Moore they took her
down to Disney World, and they did they when she

(01:02:40):
was on they were literally doing like pieces in in
front of Rise of the Resistance, like her and her
dance partner, and she brought her daughter in Brooklyn and
she was like, I'm so excited to be in Disney World.
And it was like definitely like packaged pieces exactly. And
you were on this season prior to mis more correct, No,
we're in the same Why didn't they bring you down? Bitch?

(01:03:03):
I had COVID and I was sick. That's why. Oh
my god, yes you were. You iconically had COVID during
the com It was tragic. It was really tradic. That
was what she is, you know what our relationship it
took a while to like warm up to each other.
It was hard really for the first three weeks. Yeah,

(01:03:24):
just because we're both too strong personality. She's been in
the game for a really long time, and I think
we butted heads for like the first few weeks, not
even butted heads, but I was just like I had
to absorb a lot. But then I started to really
understand understand her and also understand that whole machine, and
I had so much more respect and love for her
once I like sat in that ballroom more and more,

(01:03:46):
because that whole process is like mental and emotional, just gymnastics,
and it takes so much to be in that space,
like a competition like that live. So like my respect
for her group so much throughout the process, just like
observing her and like, yeah, and you did incredible. I
mean that's like second runner up. Thank you so much,

(01:04:10):
not for nothing. It was great. I mean it was great.
I'm so glad I did it, but I was so
happy it was over. Like I just like I was
just like, Okay, I did that. I did that. It's
over great. Oh And that was when that was when
you had your classes and like the l A store
or something, and then yeah, there was a store in Venice. Yeah,
and it was like it was such it was it
was like it was very jarring for me to like

(01:04:31):
very make shift. It was very make shift when we
made it happen. And I appreciate Peloton's um help. I mean,
I'm sure, I'm sure you get this all the time,
but like, um, I'm literally telling you what you've heard
from every other single single from from from Katie's. But like,
I really it really was a thing where Cody was
like keeping me like it was like a friend that like,

(01:04:52):
especially in like early lockdown. UM, I was like fuck it,
I'm getting a fucking Peloton like I can't, I can't,
I can't do this. Um. And then it was like
discovering Cody and being like, oh, he's the only one
who plays the ship. I like great. Then like he's
my guy, and it was just like oh great, Like
Cody is just like and you you got you guys

(01:05:12):
all like keep it positive, which I know it sounds
not trivial, but I know it sounds like oh sure,
like it's a that that feels implicit, but it's like
it's so hard to do. It's very hard to keep
it like real, but light no that's kind of always
the real that that is kind of all a rule
for me. It's like you can talk about deep stuff
where you can kind of get a little like I

(01:05:34):
don't want to say, yeah, you can get negative or
bring bring up stuff that might be uncomfortable, but you've
gotta always gotta find a way to like not spin it,
but like find the positive in it, like people are
because people are coming to the class, I don't want
to They don't want to be down. They want to
be you know. Like so that's the rule that has
to be tough though, like to be effusive all the time.
You know what I mean? Like that is that is

(01:05:55):
like texting well in that space it's only for like
thirty or forty five minutes. But I see, right even
this like summer, I've come to like like butt heads
with it. Like sometimes I'm like I'm not in a
great mood and I have to turn it off. You know,
I'm sure, I'm sure with you this summer with Fireland movie,
like you you had a lot more bombardment of people

(01:06:16):
and like having to turn it on more often. No,
definitely it was more than it would have been. Although
I kind of I think and maybe Bowen thinks this too,
but like there was so obviously an endpoint to everything
we were doing. It just feel like and we were
so grateful for this, but because the movie was successful
and that people really enjoyed it, the the the like

(01:06:37):
press of it all and the conversation around it felt
like and also the Pride Month of it all felt
like it kept going, which is like, you know what
I mean, bo totally, But I think people are also
more understanding now. It's not like not to compare ourselves
to like Britney Spears when she was of her fame,
but like that was a completely different culture around fame work.

(01:07:00):
It was like there was no compassion whatsoever or empathy
or like understand what this person would be going through.
And I think, like I think, I think anyone anyone
can understand that, Like we are just real people and
like you know, when we like you know, are walking
around and they want to say hello, and it's and
it's it's lovely. I think I think people are very
respect very it's lovely and especially because you're you're doing,

(01:07:20):
you're having a positive impact on people. You can't be
mad at someone, you can't be mad or like upset
that someone's going to tell you that like you had
a positive influence on their life. You know, it makes
me happy and smile every single time. Every This actually
dovetails nicely into my I don't think so, honey, So
should be transition though it Oh my god, this is like, guys,

(01:07:42):
this is like lip sinking for my life. Like better
get a fucking legendary legend star after you're getting one.
You're getting one. Everyone gets one. It's it's like a
participation trophy, which it often was on Drag Race. Don't
even really I mean that it was just like right
there for me. Okay, So this is I don't think

(01:08:11):
so funny. Is a sixty second segment where Bowen Yang,
Matt Rodgers, that's me and our guest today that happens
to be Cody Riggs, b third co host Energy All
the Do Not Day. We um all take a minute
to rant against something in culture that deserves to be
absolutely dragged and bow and I do have something. Okay,
this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think sonny, his time

(01:08:32):
starts now. I don't think so, honey, the way that
we did and hait like if you really look back
to the beginning of when she became super famous, it
was extremely homophobic. And then when she was having struggles
with her mental health, like she was derided and her
career was basically destroyed. If you look back at her work,
like taking out the way that she passed completely like
this was an incredibly talented actor, like watch birth Watch

(01:08:56):
six Days, seven Nights, watch um, you know, like her
entire body of work, so I know what you did
last summer. Like there's just so many things that she
was in that you forget she was in because she
was so in the fabric of movies, like the Psycho
Um remake that they did in ninety eight Gus Fans
and the remakeup Psycho Shot for shot. It is so
incredibly difficult to do to be iconic and be singular

(01:09:18):
in a shot by shot remix but remake, but she
was in a remix, and Hayes was incredibly talented, Like
she passed away in a tragic way. Obviously she could
have heard a lot of people. But I feel like
we have to just remember the positive and not drag
these especially women who are having real life struggles. And
I just think we need to be more compassionate about

(01:09:38):
people who are having mental health struggles. This is my
I don't think so. And that's one I just I've
been thinking so much about, Like you know, obviously, like
the way she died was like a sensational thing, Like
it was crazy. Who knows what she was going through
and she could have hurt someone, and thank god, the
woman that who's home that she crashed into was okay,
and so were her pets, Like there was very minor injuries.

(01:10:01):
But you know, I think that this was someone who
was very obviously for decades dealing with like serious mental
health situations, and I just wish that we always could
have been this compassionate, like you think about it with
Brittany too. Obviously we talked about it so much, but
like I don't know, just leave people alone. And she
was like an incredibly smart and talented woman. And it's
a shame that she's not around to do more stuff

(01:10:23):
because she was always good. And talk about someone who
was very singular, who had a very specific individual identity
and energy as a performer. That's her, and she's we
are worse off for not being able to watch more
of her stuff. Yeah, that's all that's all really so sad,
so sad, but yeah, don't make fun of people that

(01:10:45):
that are that are going through mental health stuff. It's
that that's really dark, like literally said that a chromatical ball. Yeah, compassion.
She had compassion for people with mental illness. Because if you,
if you, if you twittered like hashtag and has like
even after her death, loud Twitter was dark. It was
really rough. It's not gonna be good. It's not, of course,

(01:11:06):
because it's Twitter, but you know, just just something to
remember the girls dragging her on Twitter. Oh yeah, just
just making a punch line out of it, which is
so fun. I think maybe people thought because she didn't
die right away that it was okay to make jokes
about but um, yeah, because I mean anyway, but yeah,

(01:11:31):
I think this is an important one and I think
I'm sure you guys will a great important even this
is bonus. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. The Delta sky Lounge having
for tatas and not scrambled eggs. When I want breakfast
effort an early flight, and I go to the Delta
sky Lounge, which I have heard my place in I

(01:11:52):
have I've built up the credit to have a platinum
m X card, so I can what get into the club,
the space, the fantasy of the Delta Sky Lounge. Get
welcome to the one of Laguardy this morning. And all
I wanted was a scrambled egg and two bacon strips.
But no, what do I get instead? Egg white and
sausage and pork sausage? No, honey, I wanted a specific fantasy,

(01:12:15):
and you were not able to afford that to me.
I loved the cantaloupe, loved the berries, loved the bagel,
even had they had a fucking and cream cheese for
your nerve. But I needed the scrambled eggs, Like all
we need scrambled eggs. Don't make it fancy. Don't give
me a little circle, little hockey puck of eggs. I
want a nice, fluffy, little mound of egg and cholesterol.

(01:12:39):
And that's one minute. I think that every Katie listening
right now can identify with that one because Delta Sky
Lounge complaint. All the kids are Delta Gold, not platinum,
not diamond, but I mean Deltas. Deltas are that are that? Girl? Um? Yeah,
I will say I, I too, have worked up my
points to become a member of the adulta sky Lounge

(01:13:01):
and those fritatas don't look good and just make it.
What is the big deal? And no ice coffee in
the Delta Lounge. We need ice coffees in the Delta
Lounge period period. People are turning this off. It's true

(01:13:22):
that it's crazy they don't have it. Like I said,
it is crazy, they don't have it. They don't have
ice coffee. No. I mean you can make it. You
could make it, but you know that's the worst. Don't
don't walk around with us. You make it before they
get before they get CoFe. Listen, I'll take a Celsius,

(01:13:42):
I love a self. How did Celsius become that girl?
Like she really became that girl out of nowhere? Which
here's here's what happened. Jonah Hill was fucking chugging them
on the set of Don't Look Up, and then he
recommended it to everyone. Leo, Meryl Streep, you know, fucking
caplain if this is how she became the girl. Literally,
I think this is part of I think Jonah Hill,

(01:14:04):
I'm not I'm not I'm not even lying. This is
t like Jonah Hill was like their brand ambassador, wasn't
even getting paid. He was just like, this stuff is amazing.
I don't crash. It's the flavors are cute. I don't.
I don't crash. I think someone. I think it's because
someone told me you don't crash on these, and it's
placebon and I just believe in my body is probably yeah.
Becca Becca confirms they have a Starbucks machine to make

(01:14:25):
hot lattez, but no ice. It's not Europe. It's like
they sell it at the grocery store now. They sell big, big,
big things of ice coffees crafted that even. I also
feel like most gay people who drink ice coffee, we
know this. They are Delta, like most gay people are Delta.
I feel I think Deltas get the gay airline, right, yeah, yeah,

(01:14:47):
I mean that's that's just that's something I'm surmising. These Delta,
these Delta sky lounges have some like there was a
family bathroom, which like whatever, like if you like meet
someone there then right, But there was literally at LaGuardia,
at this room next to the family bathroom that I
open because they need to go to the bathroom, and
it was just a sink and a chair and a

(01:15:09):
hand dryer. There was no toilet, and I go, oh,
this is just a fucking room. This is just a
room for fucking, which which is actually very queer. And
if they can do that, then might not have the
ice coffees. But what status do you have to be
to get into that bathroom? I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. Good questions. Yang hooked up in the

(01:15:33):
Barcelona airport. Congratulations, it was it was crazy. It was so,
it was it was crazy. I was felt like it
was in a porn Now anyway, oh all right, you ready? Boom,
okay bone Yang? Are you gonna are you gonna time

(01:15:54):
him all time? All time him? This is Cony Rigsby's
I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I
don't think so honey. Be real, Okay, I have enough
social media apps on my phone. I don't need any
more distractions. Um. Also, I'm a millennial. I like things
to be curated. I like things to be creative. I

(01:16:14):
need a little bit of face to him. I need
a little bit of filter. So please, no be real, No,
be real. I I scroll every day. Is depressing, it's doomsday,
it's political news. I don't need to see you and
the guynecologist. I don't need to see your hot like
you know, I just don't need any of that. And
let's be honest, be real. Are you being real? Because

(01:16:37):
the rules have changed. You used to be able to
upload your be real within a limited amount of time,
and now you can be late to your be real?
Is it? Is it? Be real? It's sounding a little
be fake to me. The Fairy the Pines affairries right
picture and they wanted me to be in there. Be real.
It's the worst picture I've ever take. Be real about

(01:16:59):
his ellis Taylor Swift. I can't believe this one, and
that's why admitted on that. But it couldn't help. But
throwing one last jab at her, at our queen, I
have to say, be realist getting more boring. It's not
it's not last thing, It's not. It's like, you know,

(01:17:20):
the tail is oldest time, Okay, period period. I think
I think you know. Cody is being honest about the
fact that part of the fun of other forms of
social media is that you do get to curate, You
do get to have some control over over what you
show people, which is both the joy and the curse

(01:17:41):
of the whole thing. Everybody wants attention. Everyone wants to
show off, so like, there you go. But I will
say though, like, because you don't have to do it
within those two minutes, you can decide I'm just gonna
be late today and curate something. So it's not like
it's giving you no opperty unity to curate, but it's

(01:18:02):
answer that's the but it is And this is of
what it is because we were because it could be real.
Happened on Cromatical Ball day, like right before we we
left with the concert. But our friend Patrick goes, I'm
gonna take mine at the show, and I wanted to
be like, well, that's not that's not being real. But also,
where the funk are they at be Real Headquarters that

(01:18:24):
they know the Gaga concert is happening in New York
City that night and they're like, yeah, let's do it
at two fift pm. Stupid fuckers. I don't think the
people that be Real Headquarters know or care that chromatic
A Ball is happening. Well, they need to hire more
queer people then, And this is what I'm saying is
be Real obviously doesn't have queer people working there. Hire
more queers now more. It is it is. It is

(01:18:45):
for gen Zers mostly theory on that, but maybe maybe
they're getting tired of it too. Is there anything below
gen Z like younger Jan Alpha? Is that what they're called?
You told me that. That's what you told me that
that's what they're called. I'll find. First of all, don't
point at me with your finger. You can take your
finger and you go pointing at someone else if you
have the big attitudes, because you have an attitude, it's true,

(01:19:09):
it's which that's the chicest name. Yeah, it's really good
until you get to gen Omega, which is like we'll
be we'll be gone by then we'll be dead. Mama. There,
they're gonna start sounding like co variance. It's gonna be
O Macron generation. I'm gonna say, yeah, I remember what
overcron meant something different, Matt. I think I put too

(01:19:35):
much pressure on our guests to be third co host energy,
but I think more And you want to know he's
challenged us. He challenged us. That's what it was looking
I'm dancing if you could see him now, Katie's so
much happened on this episode. Fandom name, we were talking
a we were challenged. Oh once the chromatical Ball and

(01:19:58):
even though we were jet legged from our trip to Chromatica,
we still came through about I think the three of
us all had travel days today, right, We all came
back from the place or had to go someplace else.
But Cody, you traveled yesterday. Oh yeah, just want to
fire on for the day. Wow, it must have been nice.
I'll take it out of you. Literally, I woke up
this morning. I was like, oh, thank you for coming

(01:20:20):
out and took my whole life last time. Yeah, this
was a fun app Thank you baby, thank you for
having me. We finally made this happen. I feel like
we've been talking about this for like months. Yeah, by
popular demand and after my Yeah, yeah, it's just that
is what it is. So we made it work. Um,
we love you. I can't wait to see your next work.
When the light hits you just right, baby, I'm always

(01:20:41):
going to find that light. You will. Well. We end
every episode with a song unique I'm the bar star
uniforn is the uniform you put on when you perform. Okay,
off book on the record, No no, no, I'm off book. Unheated.

(01:21:02):
At the end of he did tip tip tip on
hardwood floor. Some of it just some of it. Tip
tip tip on hardwood floor, tross the floor, or give
me face based based based yeah face card never God period.
Eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it. I can't
rest but listen to Eat It by Beyonce. Bye Bye
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