"One And A Half F*ck" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look maher oh, I see you my own and look
over there is that culture. Yess wow, let's cult. Ding
donges is calling you really dug into those syllables. My friend,
Today isn't ding dong. Today is ding dong like today

(00:22):
is let's go. You gotta give the ding and the
dong a little sound extra today for the culture. I mean,
if you say so, because you point of transparency for
the listeners for our pekf's. I asked Matt if he
wants to do the year this year. I know we've
been a little bit behind trust and believe the segment
is not done. We've got many more years to go.

(00:44):
But Matt said, I don't think we can today because
and he flashed his phone screen in front of me
on the zoom. He said, we've got a lot to cover,
And I said, you're right, we have so much.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
To talk about and not for nothing, but all of
these things could all have their own episodes. So I
just feel as though it's a little crowd of this
week to then. Can you imagine like Oscar Week, like
the big pop curly album that's out, like Doune two
is out, like the Royal Family is finally maybe in
complete shambles like I saw Madonna.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
All it took was photoshop to kill the royal family.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
We will get into it, but what I'm saying is,
I feel like, can you imagine if we just didn't
talk about all this and we're like, so, what happened
in twenty thirteen, Like that doesn't sense to me?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I know. No, there's stuff happening in twenty twenty four
that we really need to address.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
And that's actually really culture number nine. There's stuff happening.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
In twenty four that we really need to do address.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I want to start by saying, and maybe this will
make us segue into one of those topics.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
But Bowen, you crushed this last week. You were so good.
Nice If you didn't watch SNL yet Bowen and Ariana
Grande did Who's the musical Guest? She did an amazing job.
They did Mulan Rouge sketch, which could not have been
easy to do, and I know you, my girl, like

(02:05):
you put your foot in that one. Aha. The hardest
thing about it was just selling it as an idea
because God loved this man and the producers. But Lauren
and me, the top brass at SNL, have this note
with everything where they're like why now, yeah and thankfully
and it was Lauren's idea. I was like tied into
the Oscars. The Oscars are this weekend. We're like, okay, sure,

(02:28):
And then I looked it up. I was like, oh,
Mula Rouge the first musical nominated for Best Picture since
Beauty and the Beast, So like there was a long
stretch of time. I guess that's what I'm doing, the
math beating the This was eighty nine or ninety that
was like ninety one, ninety one, ninety two or something
like that. That's a full decade. Yeah, But now, of
course Best Picture and ever since the extension to ten films,

(02:49):
and we'll get into the Oscars later, but now it's like, oh,
movie musicals are I guess kind of commonplace in that category.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
When Mulan Rouge came out, I remember that was like
it feels like one of a million times that you've
heard like the musical is back, and then all of
a sudden, like you'll hear the musicals out again, and then.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
It will come back.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Like really, what I think happens is when a movie
is good, then that genre is back. If you can
believe that people are sort of hyperbolic about the way
they talk about these things, especially as it relates to
the film industry, like that is what happens. But yeah,
Mulan rouge. The thing that's so great about it and
the why now doesn't even really matter because it's so

(03:25):
iconic that like when you see her in that wig
and that seteene wig, and like you using that voice
and like them doing this song, even that set, like
the set.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
We got to give it up to the folks at
SNL Production Design. They really lea Yoshimura legend was like,
we can't do it, and I was like, okay, well,
whatever you guys come up with will be fine. And
I love these people, but of course they have to
pull off the impossible every week. Yeah, and they made
it look incredible And that little like palanquin thing on

(03:58):
top of the elephant took so much space on the
floor that we could not bring our guests to We
Can't Be Friends for the first musical performance because there
was just no room. And I was like, oh, damn, well,
I feel bad about that. I feel bad that the
guests that SNL cannot the guests of cast could not
go to the floor and watch that song. First of all,
guests of cast will be just fine.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
And I think what happens there is they watch it
from the back and they see her other performance and
they're totally fine. What was important is that you guys
were literally given the actual physical space and emotional space
to deliver that sketch. It was really funny, Like you
guys should definitely check it out. And I really liked
the other sketch too, which was the people pleaser.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
As anonymous, I thought that was really funny. Thank you,
thank you, Alison Gates. Overall, what an amazing episode. Josh Brolan,
what a gem. He's really good, really good, really consummate professional, great,
perfect example of a host. Yeah, lovely, lovely man, to
say nothing of Miss Scarlett Johansson. Oh my goodness, crushing

(04:58):
Katie Britt.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
I really I hope this doesn't become a Tina Face
Sarah Palin thing, because that means that Katie Britt will
have become part of the culture and I really don't
want that. But I said, I haven't seen Scarlett Johansson
tear up comedy like this since.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Don John, which I haven't seen. You haven't seen Don
John on my face, Oh my god, Like that's such
a good one. Jose Levin Joseph Gordon Levit, who I
believe also wrote and directed it, and Scarlett Johansson play
is just like that Long Island Staten Island girl, like

(05:34):
you know what I mean, Like just like it's and
she's having a lot of fun with it, and she's
like so like hot that it's so funny, and it's
just a really good one. Good at that, Yeah, I mean,
like who could forget Look at this one, Look look
at that one, Look at this one. You gotta buy
a chandeliah.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
We were joking, we were joking the other day, like
someone was saying, like, oh, Scarlett Johnson is Katie Britt,
Like that's her best comedy performance of her entire career.
I was like, yeah, well it's up there with like
you look, get this one, get that one the chandeliers.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
And I was like, oh not everyone knows that sketch.
That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
But also she did another SNL sketch, God god god
it was.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I think it was with Keenan where she was the
funeral singers. That's so good.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
And then she also did a really good deep house
dish back in the deep House dishes of course my
favorite sketch.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Of all times by the time James Anderson Series of
sketches James Anderson. But she did a song called co Check.
This Jacket's expensive, Oh so good, So I do love it.
What a gem. Well that was really really great. And
you know, just to talk about her performances that you
must have been able to see them live a bunch

(06:40):
ari stuff. Yeah, yeah, I saw, I saw her soundcheck.
Just those songs are really really, really good. The whole
album should be what do you want to start off
with the album? Let's talk about the album. Let's talk
about the album. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I have to say, like I am so obsessed with
this and like I can't remember a time when I
was so into an album immediately. But actually it dropped
at so nine pm in LA because we were on
the way to see Madonna and so so I made
like a last minute decision to go see Madonna, like

(07:14):
because I love the Night of I guess people sell
their tickets on ticket Masters, so the price is kind
of dip. But I was like, you know what, what,
am I crazy? Like I'm not gonna go see Madonna?
Like of course I'm gonna go and so we'll get
to that later. But on the way there, on the
way that we listened to the whole album, like I
think it was like all the way through and then

(07:36):
we started it over again.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I am as someone.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Who's like culture, and like that made me say, cultures
for me is very much like that late nineties Mariah,
you know, like this is very much my shit. Like
it's like, tell me that something is more for me
than these R and B vocals over these like sexy
little hooks, this vocal stocking, all these harmonies, just like

(08:01):
avalanche of harmonies. She does her vocal production. She really
shows the girls how it's done with these like singer
songwriter lyrics, like with like dance influences, and like I
just feel I feel, I.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Just feel I feel I feel, and so does she.
I feel that. I think I have my favorite Ari
pre chorus hook of all time, which is something about
Mames Mady like me maybeke him mom. It's so like

(08:36):
she's a siren, that girl.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, in terms of vocals, obviously, there's no one in
her like peer group that really is capable of what
she can do. And I don't even mean just like
singing down like all over the place. What I mean
is like she and I don't know if it's because
of Wicked or just because of like a way that

(08:59):
she's trured or a way that she feels she needs
to serve this particular album. But the storytelling is better
than it's ever been, and I wonder like and not
to do that thing of.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Like she doesn't enunciate back in the day, but like
you know, she was loose with the way that she
would like phrase you know what I mean, like and
she would give it a lot of stylization, whereas this
is just like very direct. She's in like this different
register than she is oftentimes like so that you really
feel like there's something else that's important to her here,

(09:32):
which is like telling this story of this these relationships,
you know, and how they interact with each other in
this concept of the Eternal Sunshine thing, because it really
is lightly like a concept album. Yeah, and I think
of it as like not necessarily biographical or autobiographical. I

(09:52):
don't think it is. Yeah, Like I think the big
tell is her use of the word like got to
get out of this situation that it's like, okay, this
is kind of there are liberties being taken with like
real life experiences, and that's all I'll say. But yeah,
I think it is this thing of what I love

(10:15):
that I think she hasn't done in her albums is
like poses a question at the beginning, answers it by
the end, love it perfect circle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, I think that she's spoken in interviews about the
fact that like it is not autobiographical necessarily, it is
based on certain things that she's gone through. But this
isn't one thing I want to say about sort of
the macro thing, right, like the Ariana grande of it
all in terms of the past you know, year or so,
in terms of the media narrative and stuff like that,

(10:45):
and how that gets filtered into the work. And I
feel comfortable like bringing it up now because she's now
made art about it. And I want to say just
a couple things. Let me just first say that if
people are going to be like, oh, they're just being
sickophantic because bow And is friends with her, I just
I would hope that people would think more of us

(11:06):
than that.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
And also like, if.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Like you've listened to this podcast and you think that
we're getting on here and like doing our jobs badly
because we can't be subjective about this stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
You guys, we just wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Bring it up at all. Like if we didn't like
the album and we didn't want to like hurt her feelings,
we wouldn't bring it up at all. Like, first of all,
do your research on it. I'll speak for myself, like
this is so my shit like that, like, don't tell
me I don't like this.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
This is my favorite fucking album of the moment.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
And I actually was listening to it last night again
and being like I doubt that something even touches this,
but just like I'm not lying to you on this podcast,
I think that this album is like really special and specific,
and yeah, sure I think it can relate to what
she's gone through, but also there's obvious things about this
and she's talked about this and spoken to this that

(11:57):
it's like an extrapolation.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
On these kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
And this album will remain special to me because I
feel like it really accurately depicts that thing of when
one relationship is ending and you can see in the
forming of something else why it needs to end. Sometimes
it feels like you have to sort through your like guilt, accountability,

(12:24):
you'll regrets about a certain thing in order to move through,
and that's a really tough process. And I feel like
all of those emotions are in this album, and so
I commend her in the face of what probably had
to feel like a lot of pressure. And I'm sure
for some people it will never be enough. But what

(12:44):
I love about this album is it's not like flexing
on anybody. It's like very I think it's really complex
and all the emotions that go with a relationship ending
a new one, starting being self conscious about the way
that it started, feeling guilty, feeling excited, feeling horny for

(13:06):
something that's new, It's all there in a way that
like I am really connecting too as someone who's been
in difficult relationships and emotional situations in the past, Like
I'm feeling that there's a lot of truth and authenticity
in this.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yes, truth and authenticity in conjunction with like a sensitivity.
I think I can say that not an autobiographical as
an album, but she was very, very very purposeful about
the way people would be portrayed in this and the
way she would portray herself in this, and how it's

(13:44):
not a totally like my hands were clean. It's not
like she could have absolutely put out an album that
was like I'm going to preserve and protect things about
my own image or rest the narrative from someone or
the media or people in these situations. I mean, I

(14:05):
think we can't be friends is not necessarily a lot.
It's about her portrayal, the way the media relates to her.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I've always felt that. Yeah, and I almost feel like
it's about her fans too, Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Know that you made me. I'm watching the lyrics. I'm
still here hanging love that wait until you love me,
Like we can't be friends, but I like to pretend.
I like to just pretend, like clean your papers and pens.
I'll wait for your love again. Like She's like, we're
in a tough spot right now, and I get it,
Like I didn't think you would understand me, but like,

(14:38):
you know, it's all these things that are incredibly fragile
and I think very nuanced and there is I'm just
sticking this is the only thing that I'm going to
acknowledge about the situation, which is that like there is
such a unqueer, puritanical Christian way we are approaching marriage

(14:59):
in the discourse very like trad wife. I'm like, this
is interesting, Like everyone's being very like this sanctity of marriage.
Of course it is so much more complicated than that.
But at the heart of these conversations that we've had
in like infidelity discourse with everybody, because I will also

(15:19):
just say, like the thing and we can't be friends,
is like the narrative is wrong. The narrative is wrong.
And she's not even outwardly saying that, but the narrative
has been incorrect, and people have even retracted things in
these stories with no fucking apology to the people who
are involved. Yeah, yep, I can tell you for a

(15:40):
fact that what people out there seem to be clinging
onto correct is incorrect. Yeah. I mean that's I guess.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Another thing of it is it's not that people sound
silly or sound dumb. It's just watching something in action
when the truth is something else that has to be
incredibly frustrating for everyone. In terms of like people attacking
like the sanctity of marriage or whatever. I think that

(16:09):
people's point is that it's more than that, because there
was a young physic or young family, et cetera, all
these things. But I think that and I'm just gonna
speak in terms of my personal experience here, and I'm
just gonna share this. Sometimes I think it feels like
when you have a sort of cosmic thing happen where

(16:30):
you fall in love in such an intense way, and
it almost feels like the right thing to do is
to move forward with that for everyone involved.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Do you know what I mean? Like if you have
a situation where it feels absolute in terms of the
actionable thing, it is so consuming in a way that
like can be destructive, but it cannot feel that way
from within that closed system of like two people. I mean,

(17:01):
it's like it makes it cliche for like the man
to like fuck the secretary, which is not what's happening here,
but it's like it's why this thing persists in like humanity,
you know.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, I think that we love a gray area, and
we love like an anti hero, and we love like
something that's complicated and emotional and fraud as long as
it's not real. I think we want to root for
Olivia Pope to fuck that president for the rest of
our life, you know what I mean, Like we root
for true love like we've and in other senses, like

(17:38):
you know, fucking like we want complexity. It feels like
everywhere else except what's real, because then when something is
real and we can make it about us, we can
become the complex figure. But the fact is like everyone's
a human being and like goes through things, and sometimes

(17:59):
this shit is more complicated than you would think, especially
for someone who has been through like specific relationship trauma,
specific emotional trauma as it relates to the past, the
way that she's been treated, the way that she has

(18:20):
seen her relationships start and end. That is something that's
like it's difficult when you are public because it looks
it almost looks like a sort of like thing you
can't possibly take seriously. But the fact is, like it
is not our life. You have to imagine that people

(18:41):
are not doing things with destructive impulses. You can't imagine
that anyone meets and are like, wow, you know what
we're about to do ruin lives, Like we're about to
be emblematic for something bad. No, no one goes out
in their life and does that. What people do is
that they go out in their life and they engage

(19:02):
with other people, and they engage with their emotions, and
sometimes things happen and I feel like we are allowing
a complexity in fictional people, but not real people. And
I think it's really crazy what happens in the discourse.
And I'm not saying you have to like her. I'm
not saying you have to like the album. I'm not
saying you have to agree with me or agree with Bowen.

(19:24):
But what I'm saying is like we should probably allow
for the possibility that not everything is exactly what it seems,
because it feels like when we engage with entertainment that
would suggest that we're all in and we can understand it.
But then when it's a headline about someone that we
can be ready made to criticize and hate and project on,

(19:48):
we lose all ability to see shades of gray in
any situation.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
And that is what's happening here, full stop.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
What's great great about it is we have this excellent
art and that we can have a discourse about.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Sure, she could have very easily made this a reputation album,
an album that was like, fuck you, I've been completely misunderstood.
I will emerge from this victorious, if not like completely
alienated from a whole kind of narrative that's been created

(20:28):
out of my control. But I think instead it's this
very fragile, delicate work, and I think it's her most
sonically cohesive album. I think it has just such a
specific vocabulary, Like I really think she like came out
of positions and was, like I put out my Vibes album,

(20:50):
let me go back to like the root of this
thing for me, which is like I was singing Mariah
since I could talk, you know, like, let me go
back to that. And I really feel comfortable talking about this,
and anyone who's rolling their eyes at what I'm about
to say can really go fuck off. I have understood
in recent months that like a media narrative can be

(21:14):
completely consuming and devastating and like frustrate you to know,
and because of how wrong it is. Yeah, and having
your name be put in sentences along with other names
as a way of like canceling anything you do out
of like invalidating what you do, like pushing absolute falsehoods.

(21:38):
I'm sorry, it is a really fucking disorienting thing to experience. Yeah,
I'm just gonna say that. And I'm sure people who
listen to this have experienced this on different levels, scales
bigger than mine, smaller than mine. It doesn't matter. But
you must understand that there's something universal about this thing
of like, oh no, you don't. You've completely misinterpreted, not
even misinterpreted, just like mistaken on a literal level, like

(22:04):
what has happened to me? What I have done, what
I have not done? And you can be completely vindictive
about that, or you can make the choice to just
move forward and make something out of it if you want,
cope with it, process it. This girl knows how to
process shit through her work. Like we've known that to
be true since years and years and years ago. Like

(22:25):
let her cook, as we say, now you know what
I mean, leave it alone? Yeah, just leave it alone.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's all I mean for me too, Like it's just
what's been created out of whatever she's gone through, like
in her old relationship, whatever she's experienced entering a new one.
Is this really cohesive story that I think that is
eternal sunshine, which is starting with am I in there?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Like right relationship? I don't know?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I actually am positive I'm not and for me that's
by but obviously I slip up and there's I don't
want to break up again, Like I'm still going back
and forth. I just remember when my last relationship ended.
There were so many times where I thought I was done,
you know what I mean. There were so many times
where I thought like that, I was like on my
boy by shit, you know what I mean. But then
you slip back and you realize, like what am I

(23:16):
doing to hurt someone?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
How have I been hurt? Like?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Do I not like this person anymore? My favorite element
of the whole album, like my favorite section is we
Can't Be Friends into I Wish I Hated You like
I had to talk about it in therapy, like the
we Can't Be Friends music video, which really is the
story of the whole album.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
I was.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
I tried to cry when I first saw it, and
then I cried about it in therapy talking about it,
and then I cried about thinking about therapy later, like
I was. It was pisce seasoned down, like and this
album is coming at a really fraud astrological time. But
I have to say, like I Wish I hated you
like that is really ultimately at the end, the fact

(23:58):
that that's really the last song that's about the old
relationship before she ends it like in a state of
peace about the fact that like she's going to try
to step forward like and really like actualize this.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Thing that she deeply believes is the love of her life.
Like the last thing that she says is there's no
way I can justify anything other than what I will
always have for you, which is just love. Like I
got into this relationship with you. Oops.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Oh, I got into this relationship with you because I
love you. And then that's actually never gonna go away,
Like even if something, even if shit really goes down,
like if shit really burns down, what's gonna always be
true is that there was so much love there.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
And hopefully at the end of every relationship, like what
you can do is leave it and you can remember
what was really important was that you loved somebody and
that they loved you back, and hopefully that's always the
leaf behind.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, I mean it should be. And of course situations
are ugly, and of course shit doesn't always make sense.
But I guess the last thing I'll say is that
we can't we shouldn't be demanding that people, especially artists,
be perfect. Of course, like have your opinions, like you
know what I mean, But we're going to live in

(25:17):
a very boring world if everyone just acts the way
that you want them to. And if we can't ever
learn from people, and we can't ever like absorb people,
and we can't ever have like difficult situations reflected back
to us. And this is very conflicted, I think, at
times tortured, at times euphoric. Like the work asks a

(25:38):
lot of questions and answers some of them, Like everything
is very in process, and I you know, I hope
the best for anyone that's like representing their relationship.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Here or feel seen by the work here.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I hope that you know, everyone can find like a
piece with love in their life, you know what I mean.
But like I also know that cosmic love and those feelings,
you know, they don't always pan out in the best way.
And here's what you can know. If anyone's going to
really pay for it, it'll be the people that took

(26:13):
the risks. So don't you worry out there, like if
what you really want is for people that you don't
agree with to fail, like who knows, like they just might,
But I would hope that we're not rooting for that.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
No, But you know, if you are a big believer
in karma, if you think this invites karma, which I'm
here to tell you again that your set of facts
is not I'm not going to reveal the actual facts
because they're not mine to reveal, but I can say
that the matrix of information that you are using to

(26:48):
like draw a line to the karmaic outcome you want
is not existent.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, And I would say that, you know, even thinking
about like us going back like five years, like some
people being like, oh if this or five years ago,
they would tear her up, you know what I mean,
or like whatever, Like.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I would hope that we don't talk about these things
the same way we did five years ago, because maybe
the tone has changed for the general culture consuming population,
you know what I mean, Like all of us are
kind of evaluating things differently. I mean, I don't know
what to tell you. If you get the ick from
thinking that we are like defending these people that, like

(27:26):
most of whom we don't really have that much of
a connection with anyway, Yeah, then fine, I'm here to
tell you, like, would you be putting your friends your
coworkers on blast? Absolutely not. Yeah, shut the fuck up.
And it's not a transactional thing. It's not that like
this is a muzzle. But like I'm just gonna say

(27:47):
this is someone who has been like a true friend
to me, and I I love she has shown me
like whatever, not that that buys you like she had.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
But two things can be true. I believe that every
single fucking thing we just said is true. And I
also believe that you're goddamn right. If something went down,
especially during that time when you were not having an
easy time, I knew that you had someone that was
like really looking out for you and really writing hard
for you and like really being there for you. And
I will be fucking grateful to that person forever because

(28:21):
there's nothing I care about more than you and the
fact that someone had your back.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, so what we are gonna fucking have that person's
back anyway. That's the album. I love it.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I fucking love that, and also like not for nothing,
but it will be so identifiable with a moment, and
she should feel so proud of herself. I said, you
know who's definitely proud of her for this, fucking Mariah.
Mariah would have made this album if she was already
on his age and like if this was like that
moment in time for her.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
This album reminds me of many ways of Butterfly. It
reminds me of like, you know, it reminds me of
like new era Mariah, because I do believe where this
is new era Ari, Like she talks about how you know,
it's equal parts to Mariah and image and heap. I
think that is so executed.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
So well, And I don't know what I care about
ultimately is that fucking art is good and interesting and
makes people think, it makes people feel.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
This is all those things to me, well fucking done.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I mean, like it's this is definitely gonna be one
of my favorite albums of the year and I will
listen to it forever. And I fucking love positions. I
love when Ariana Grande is like yuh, yuh, my pussy
is a strawberry.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Like don't don't get me wrong, Like I love pussy
is a strawberry, right, you know what I mean? Like
I love I'm rich love it and like, but like
it would have been so easy for her too to
just do an album with that and sidestep this whole
thing and be like it's me Ari yet. Yeah, but
like she did, there's not a a miss. Okay, what

(30:03):
else is there in the culture that you want to
talk about? I thought they were like one of the
best oscars I'd seen in a while. Like I thought
they were delightful, it wasn't like an amazing show for
me personally, although I think the wind never is. It
never is. The winds were very satisfying up until I
would say the end maybe, but not like all of
them at the end. But I will say I mean

(30:24):
the Boy and the hairn winning were things winning the
technical oscars. I was like, okay, like this is there's
an even spread here. I am like, oh, kind of
a bummer that the only two shutouts within Best Picture
were Killers, the Fire Moon and Maestro. Not a bummer,
but it's like it would have been. It kind of
would have been like a great thing if like all
ten movies had gotten some flowers. That's all. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I think that, like ultimately, the Oppenheimer of it all
is kind of all because I feel like at least
I can speak for myself. I went out of my
way to see everything. I did end up seeing Killers.
I did end up seeing out of interest zone, which
was hard. But I a one hundred percent agree with
it winning what it won. I think the best Sound

(31:07):
win is a really inspired choice because sound is so
crucial to the success and how hard that movie hits.
But it beating Oppenheimer was obviously a surprise. But I
guess the big note there is in terms of sound,
one thing we need to be able to.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Hear is the dialogue.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Oh so that would be I guess my thing about Oppenheimer,
which I respect, it's when I understand and respect that
people feel that that's by far the best movie of
the year.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I do disagree. And I say this as a Christopher
Nolan fucking super fan I am. I am Dark Knight hive.
I love Inception.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
You can catch me weeping to Interstellar, like you know
what I mean, Like I love Christopher Nolan. I just
think this almost tough because the length, and I do
think the sound mixing is an issue. But you know,
it did run away with pretty much everything.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
What I liked.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Was I love poor Things, and I feel like when
it started to win earlier in the night, I was like, oh,
maybe this like two horse Race, isn't really going Lily
Gladstone's way. And just to speak to the Lily Gladstone
and m Stone of it, all that could have gone
either way. It would have been an incredible moment had
Lily Gladstone won the Oscar. But if you haven't seen

(32:20):
Poor Things, then you should. And I wish that people
wouldn't take Lily Gladstone's Oscar loss out on emmastone because
that is so unfair, and that is, of course the
way the discourse has gone, because as we've just said,
the discourse is toxic and decides it has to be
one thing and it's so black and white. There has
to be heroes and villains. So Lily Gladstone has to

(32:43):
be a hero here and Emma Stone has to be
a villain here because she's won the Oscar. When Emma
Stone is fucking talented as shit, what she decides to
do with her movie stardom is like produce things like
Poor Things, which is thought provoking and radical and feminist
and really cool, and she's producing problemsta like please miss

(33:04):
me with like she's emblematic with racism and like some
sort of like bigger thing than it is, Like, do
not take it out on her if you're disappointed for Lily,
that's fine. Her career is forever change. She's now an
Oscar nominated actress. She's the most famous person coming out
of that conversation because everyone's rooting for her and wanting
her next thing, her career will be fine, Like it

(33:26):
doesn't have to be fuck Emma Stone.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
There's also this other thing going on where everyone's like, well,
she should have done supporting Lily should have done supporting,
and then she would have won. It's this weird kind
of post mortem. But Kyle Buchanan was saying this, it's like, no,
by campaigning herself for lead, she's telling Hollywood, I am
alle taking me seriously, taking me seriously. Absolutely, she should

(33:51):
have no regrets. No one should believe that she should
have done things any differently. She pulled off a flawless
campaign start to finish, not a single misstep. And yes,
it's frustrating that she did not take home the trophy,
but she is coming out of this a full winner.
She is moving forward with complete power and grace and
everything that she deserves.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
No super excited for I mean, I saw she's the
lead of that Hulu show that looks really good. She
won the sag Award, She's won a Golden Globe, like
and now, sometimes I think like that helps propel a narrative,
you know what I mean, Like Emma Stone wins this Oscar.
By the way, no one looked more mortified than emm
a Stone.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Like that reaction.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Shot of her winning that Oscar, you could tell she
didn't want it like this, you know what I mean.
But also it's like last year with the Kate Blanchette
and Michelle Yo of it all, you get a sense
that Kate Blynchett started like campaigning for Michelle Yo because
she could feel this heat breathing on her neck of like,
if you win, fuck you the person you'll have taken
it from. It's like, it shouldn't be about that. What's

(34:53):
important is the art. What's important is that last year,
the Michelle Yo and Kate Lynchett year, we had two
towering performances that were so different that we're given by
people that are the best in their fields. And yes,
the Oscar was won by Michelle Yo. It felt incredible.
It was so deserved. It was what I was rooting for.

(35:13):
But what's really important is the art that they created.
What's important is that we created the character of Evelyn.
What's important is that we created the character of Lydia
Tar And by we, of course I mean them, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's ultimately what's important and this Oscar thing. This like
winning losing narrative is like it doesn't mean that person
is a loser.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
It just means that it means that like one of
them won an Oscar. Like now we know the story
of Molly and we know Bella Baster Is this like
really fun your ghost character? Like there is like an
O Sage narrative that is like us Hersesey directed film,
Like if you think about it, I don't know, not

(35:55):
that we're like revolutionizing the way to think about this
or to like taught to like have the discord, but
it's like if I frame it in that way, it's
like it's incredible that like this was the Oscars race
and like, yeah, it's a weird. Yeah, I mean someone
did a super cut of like Emma's reaction shot to
the wind and then like cutting to like screenshots of
the discorse and whatever. Like it's just I did see

(36:17):
that the spectator sport of it is like a little
gratuitous in a way that's fun and like that's why
we love Award Season. But it just feels like it
gets longer and longer every year, and by extension a
little bit more exhausting and draining. So that by the
time it's past Sunday, I'm like, I don't really want
to think about these movies ever again. Is that bad? Yeah? No,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
And I feel like the season is very long because
it feels like it starts in September and goes to March,
March to the point where like Oscar season, like give
me a break, like this is just what it is.
I'll tell you what I loved. And I'm clapping for
the writer's branch because we picked two great movies. These
are the categories that I like always am elbiting about

(37:00):
because I just always want like the right script to
be solidified.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
With this Oscar whim you are a writer down. I
love that, I would.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Say Anatomy of a Fall that was one of my
favorite movies of the year. They tore that script up
like incredible and then American Fiction. I absolutely loved it
was so great and Core Jefferson, I just want to
shout out because.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
That speech was incredible.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
What he used his time to say was so worth
it and it was so meaningful and it was so
true and you can feel everyone being like, yes, that
is that is exactly right, Like instead of a two
hundred million dollar budgeted movie that may or may not fail,
and then we all have to pay for that, like
in terms of like you know, the fact that we

(37:47):
don't have the opportunity to see smaller budgeted things because
all the budget went to that one thing that may
or may not be good, because those are the movies
that are more likely to be put together by committee
artistically in a like on an executive level, like we're
just the soul of the film industry is like dying
and more and more every single year, and it's because

(38:10):
we are not investing in more talent and like ideas
that are like interesting, actually interesting. He said, make tons
of smaller budgeted movies and invest in more stories and
more talent than this one big budgeted movie.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
And I really do believe that's the way too. I
couldn't agree with him more. And there he is holding
an oscar on stage for one of those modestly budgeted movies,
and so he's in a position of power to speak
to that, and I'm really grateful that he did, and
I really respect him. He's speaking as a writer and
a director. It's like incredible. I mean that the impact
of that sorry to Francis McDorman, But I mean inclusion writer.

(38:48):
Has that impacted at all? I hope, I want to
say it has, but I've not seen that be the norm.
And that's not a ding on Francis. No. But I
think this could actually, hopefully, like have some impact. I
think hopefully. So everyone was watching, I really like I
was watching with House and Whitaker and Tom and we

(39:11):
were all up cheering friends with Jefferson. I believe they
worked together. They were together, And then Whitaker showed us
photo of them watching the Oscars together like five years ago,
just like hanging out. I was just like, what a beautiful.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
He seems like such a great guy and it feels
like he's very beloved, and I'm really I mean, if
you haven't seen an American fiction, you should definitely check it out.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I mean, like, it's really smart, it's a brand new.
And check out the Good Place on Peacock.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, you got to check out the Good Place on Peacock.
It's really smart, it's brand new.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I do miss the Good Place. Good Place was great.
I love the Good Place. Good Place was a lot
of fun. Can you believe they gave Messy the dog
from anatomy of a fall a seat at the Oscars.
Messi had a full seat. Messi had a full seat,
but everyone was very up in arms out the puppet,
the applause pre tape, m M. They shot that beforehand,

(40:05):
which you know, like it's a as well trained as
Messi is, as much of a professional and an amazing
actor as he is, you can't tell him and communicate
these things. He can't, like explain that this is an
award show and you're here because you did it a
great job.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Messi is capable of so much, including performing an overdose
an anatomy of a ball. I don't know, bitch. I
think they could have talked the dog to clap in
real time.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
I agree. I'm with the mob on this one. Oh gosh,
did you see the shot of Messi at the end
of the broadcast of Messi like raising his leg up
to pee on Matt Damon's Hollywood Walk of Fame star.
I didn't see that, but I love it. Little Jimmy
Kimmel joke, Little Jimmy joke. I thought Jimmy Kimmel was great.
I thought I thought that it was really fun. Also,
shout out Lewis Vertel he wrote for the Oscars. He
did a lot of the monologue. I know that was

(40:53):
his lifelong dream.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
So I just want to shout congratulations to that fucking bitch.
I wanted to say, I fucking one of my favorite
things about any award show is when Billie Eilish is there.
She's just I fucking love her. She's so fucking good.
I just love watching her perform. I love that song
so much.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
I'm so glad it won.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I'm so happy it got everything it deserved. You know,
it's the first song since My Heart will go on
to win Song of the Year at the Grammys, and yeah,
for Best Original Song.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Culturally, it has that impact, you know what I mean,
like like nuts and shallow, Like Oher was saying this,
like it seems like every five years or so, Best
Original Song feels like the category of the night.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, and it's really because we're honoring a cultural moment,
which I feel like keeps that category alive in a
way totally.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
But like the gaps in between those years feel like
conciliatory almost. I mean so literally five years ago was shallow,
you know, and it was just like, oh my god,
this one, what a moment you know, like I know,
I think we kept calling it the shallow shot, which
was like shooting with the audience and frame like I'm
behind so funny, oh man, Yeah, and shout out to

(42:09):
Becky G. Shout out to Becky G. That cutaway to
Diane and Eva Longoria, I mean that did you.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Hear about this controversy? Like apparently Diane Warren flipped a
ship when Cynthia and Arianna were announcing Best Original Song,
because Cynthia was like, tonight we've seen nominees for Best Song,
and Ariana goes and the Oscar goes too, and just
open the envelope whether or not she was supposed to
say the nominees versus in dispute. But Diane Warren apparently

(42:39):
started screaming and was running around furious because Arianna hadn't
like said the nominees, which means that Diane Warren didn't
get her like.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Name read out, this is the rumor that's happening.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And apparently Eva Longoria saw Diane start to spin out
and she went to the bar.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
She was like, I'm not handling this. She was like,
I Am not dealing with this. She was like I
thought I was gonna be off the fucking clock. She goes, bitch,
I got the fire inside. I am out of here, bitch,
this is endgame. I directed this movie. I am love.
I'm just happy and grateful that I got the Oscar
nom Yeah, miss me with that Diane. We love Diane.

(43:18):
Though we love Diane, I mean say, don't go famous
song the woman wrote because you love Me? But like
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
At the moment, I was like, I was like, oh,
is she opening that envelope a little early? But then
now I'm kind of happy because I do love that
there was drama.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Ari and al Pacino not naming the nomies. I think
that was just like a programming note, a production, just
like to be. I was like, let's let's keep it
moving because the songs were shortened too. The songs were
very like we're like, very abbreviated, I thought, except for
I'm just ken and what was I made for? Which
you know, I guess, oh, just so. I loved that

(43:56):
he was great, like I just felt good he got it,
and also like to be that relaxed and singing live
on the oscars, like that's really cool shit.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I mean, especially for someone who we know, you know,
people who know know he is a singer, but like
not really known for being like some live singer. Like yeah, yeah,
it was really good. The whole thing. You could tell.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
It was like a very joyous performance. I love that
they gave Barbie as much real estate on the show
as they did, even though it only won the one award,
because it was one of the stories of the year obviously, absolutely,
And back to Billy, like, it was just that first
shot of Ryan in the audience, like Billy is cracking up,
cutting up. I'm like, yeah, I was like, oh, this
is a great vibe, like like the Barbie that whole

(44:40):
Barbie group is like, so it feels like such good vibes.
Everyone's just like really really I don't know, like very
like basking in like this journey that they've all been on,
which ended that night, you know, like yeah, Margo fucking
looked stunning, Greta looked amazing. Yeah, all of it. America Snatch,
America Snatched. I did have one moment of just like, oh, right,

(45:04):
I could I was supposed to be you were supposed
to be in that, and that's all I like acknowledge
about it. But I was just like, oh my god.
And then you cut to you at home, like staring
at the space wended.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
I will say one of the fun moments of the
show was Rita Morano presenting America.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Fererra America America. I love that. I thought it was great.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I love the Fab five coming out and doing the speeches.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
I will say if I have one thing, it was
Charlie's really flopped hers.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Like I've never been stung by a jellyfish. Cut to that,
bending like, oh, this is what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Like I think Charlie's was trying to give it like
a gravitas that like was not placed correctly, like it
was obviously a joke, like if you have to lean
on it a little bit, but she tried to play
this like middle ground or like underplay it, like you
can't underplay I've never been stung by a jellyfish. But
watching you and Benning, I felt like I had you

(46:02):
can't that there's nothing yeah, you know, there's nothing emotional
about that, Like.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
No, there's no grip there, there's no purchase, like lean
on it a little bit, Charlie ease, like we got
we have to understand that it's a joke. Because then
at the end. It was just so funny because the
Net Benning's sitting there, She's already she had to get
a dressed for this. She was like she so she didn't,
but like she's sitting there. And then at the end
of that thing, though Charlie's speech, she kind of goes

(46:28):
like you can see her kind of like tilts her
head and be like, eh, a net Benning, what about
George model for award show behavior was like fuck this,
I'm wearing a Mother of the Bride yep garment. I
don't give a fuck. I'm gonna wear my fucking tinted glasses.
And those were chic. Those were chic. Her most animated

(46:50):
moment all night was Kimmel at the end doing like
the Trump jail time. Patrick and I were laughing laughing
because she was like a mad She was so tickled
by it, and that was down for that Trump drag.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
She was really down for it. It's just Patrick also,
House was like.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Patrick was rooting for a net the whole night. I mean, yeah,
he was at and honestly, I loved a Net bending
and Nightet. I talked about it a couple weeks ago,
like it was so good, but what else oh love
Divine's speech, like that was so great, Like Robert Downey Junior.
I thought we frontloaded our speeches this season. Like it's

(47:30):
hard when you keep seeing the same person go up
again again again, because by the time Oscar night comes around,
it feels like anointed in a way, and the speeches
feel less, you know what I mean. Like I feel
like one of the only people that really worked all
the way up to giving her best speech was Divine.
And then you know, not everyone else nailed the speeches.
But hey, but hey, that's Hollywood. That's Hollywood. Maybe not

(47:53):
everyone nails the speeches. Not everyone nails the speeches. Did
you see Dune yet? Speaking of Hollywood, I have not
seen doing I'm going to this week, but I can't
wait to see Timmy ride that worm. I can't wait

(48:14):
for the ghost of Oscar Isaac. I guess he's not
in it. Oh, he's in the credits. He's credited in
Doune too. I like looked it up. I was like,
did they credit Oscar Isaac? I know Momoa is not
credited because of what happens, but for some reason Oscar.
Maybe I looked at the wrong thing. But I could
have sworn that Oscar Isaac was listed as a starring

(48:36):
actor in Doune Too, and I was like, Oh, I
guess they like do a flashback or something. I don't know. Mimoa.
Momoa is not credited in June Too. He's not in it, right,
But I'm saying, but did I say Oscar Isaac? Yeah,
Oscar Isaac is credited in June Too. I believe he
is not in it either, because he's not in the movie.
But why would Momoa Momoa? He's not in this He

(48:58):
was in the first one. He was, Yes, Jason Momoa,
Jason Momoo shaved shaved Jason Momoa. But if I was,
I think he looks hotter without the beard. Sorry, Jason. Oh, Okay, interesting,
I didn't even remember that. Okay. So the thing about
dunes is I definitely go see them, but I am

(49:18):
miserable almost every second while I'm watching them, And then
the second I leave, I can't stop thinking. You're like,
I love that. But but while because you feel sand,
you feel the sand. I don't like to be sandy.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
People know that, like, and I'm always worried about people's
ocular health, like because of all the dust and all
the sand, and also the context they have to keep
putting in their eyes. I'm just so concerned about Timmy
and Zenda and sort of their eyes and their nostrils,
and Javier as well. I will say my favorite part
of these movies is Rebecca Ferguson amazing protect her at
all costs, Lady Jessica is that girl. The performance that

(49:54):
she gives in this and the first one I thought
were great, Like, this is the kind of thing I
would like to see it.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I'm nation four, like, so so so good.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
She's so like, it's like this mixture of unbothered and
completely physically tortured, which I takes me laugh and gives
me a thrill. Loved her talking to her baby Annia
Taylor Joy, and then loved the one scene with Anna
Taylor Joy. I hope she got paid one hundred thousand
dollars for being a day.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Player at least. I was like, literally all I could
think about.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I saw it with Ade Schwartz and I was like,
I left and I was like, how much do you
think they paid?

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Anya? I think the root of Rebecca Ferguson is unbothered.
I think you see an interview She's like, oh, what
is this. I don't give a fuck, but it's so charming.
I love her.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I think we need to get we need to give
her way more. I think she is actually top one
percent of the talent in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
It's her.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
But I was looking at her IMDb because I was,
of course trying to track down which from the greatest
Showman to do. Oh yeah, I was like, no, well
that obviously, but she was out. She made news because
she said, like.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I'm gonna tell you something.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
It was an act years ago, total assho and he
was mean to me on set and I never forgot it,
and like.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
You know what I mean, do you think it is? Well,
I have my opinions, but I'm oh, you're protecting celebrities. No.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Fine, I'll just say I think, looking at it, it's
either Michael Fassbender or Jake Jillenhall. And then I watched
interviews with both of them because this is how on
the case I was, and it seemed like, at least
in terms of the press presentation, that she could do
relationships with both of them. So what I'll say about
Rebecca Ferguson and all this is she was incredibly honest
in that last interview and she's also incredibly good at

(51:35):
press because you cannot tell which person it is that
was cruel to her on set, to the point where
she was like, I have used to work with you today,
you know, but that is but that is what she
has said, so much smoke and mirrors out there.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Should we talk about the royal family? Because this is
eating my ass up. I was going to say, I
was gonna transition. I was gonna say, Rebecca is one
of our great brets, and to go to some ungreat brets,
let's talk about this whole fuck it thing. Let's fucking go.
So that is the craziest photo I've ever seen in
my life. I can't believe they thought that was gonna fly.

(52:09):
It's completely unhinged.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Either these are the dumbest people in the world or
they think we're the dumbest people in the world.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
And maybe it's both. I think it's both. That window
on the left, I'm not even looking at it. I
can just just all of it is. So what's the
word eerie? Like really disturbing? So disturbing this photo.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
They're eerie and disturbing people. So for those of you
who don't know, like Kate Middleton has been. I think
everyone knows at this point. I mean, I'm sure everyone knows,
but Kate Middleton's been missing. And they released this photo
of her that was so clearly like either AI or
photoshop or something that was just like me and my
children together definitely today, and everyone was like, that's obviously fake.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
And then they announced I think she made a statement
taking credit for that and was like, I'm so sorry
that was me.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I'm an amateur photographer. I dabble in photoshop.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
First of all, Mama, Kate Middleton, you were not on
photoshop putting this photo together.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Like, no way, no way, you barely know how to
use a computer. I can't believe the lengths they are
going to cover up what is going on, which, by
the way, the cat's out of the bag, because did
you see that clip from Big Brother UK? No tell
me bowin fucking Echen Sue is now on Big Brother

(53:32):
UK with I guess like a relative of Kate Middleton,
and so in the Big Brother House, Ecken Sue asked,
and this is you can see a video of this
because it's the Big Brother House. She goes, I have
to ask you, like where is Kate and her cousin
or something, or her uncle or something, sighs and goes,

(53:52):
you know, they've asked me not to talk about it,
but just she's getting the best care. He literally says
those words she was Is she okay? And he was
just like, you know, I'm I really, I'm in contact
with her mother. I'm not really supposed to talk about it,
but like we're they're doing like what they can. I
can't believe Eckin Sue is fucking Ecken Shou was the one.

(54:15):
My god, so.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
And I literally I had to laugh because I was like, Wow,
it's all converging in a way that's so crazy. But
what's obviously happening is she's ill, she's not well, and
for some reason they feel the need to cover that
up or not tell the truth about this. To the
fact that they would now outwardly lie and misrepresent things.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
They gotta go. They can't be trusted, They can't be trusted.
This is the ghost of Diana, just like fucking up
every single lane of this family. To me, like, there
is no like good royal right now, I'm sorry, or
ex royal for that matter, not one. You can't root
for these people, No it's so crazy. There never was

(54:59):
not I said that there ever was. I'm sorry, I
keep going. Except Diana.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, well, I think that this is way worse than
they think. Like I think this is like maybe even
the straw that breaks the camel's back, because even people
that like didn't care about the treatment of Diana and
didn't care about the treatment of Megan.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Like have an issue with this because being lied to this. Yeah,
and it's just like, what would be the big deal
about being transparent and honest about what she's going through?
You know what is if she's very ill, like tell
people that, Like, what would be the big deal? The
imagery of the royal family right now is that it's
like falling apart because of Charles, and I mean, it's

(55:40):
all pretty bleak and dark. But it's like they can't
afford to look any weaker than they already are than
they already do.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I think it's a total miscalculation on their part. And
I think they obviously have the worst pr in the world.
But I think when they've been the most powerful and
when they've been the most beloved is when they peer
the most human, you know what I mean, Like Elizabeth
coming out and greeting the mourners, like William and Harry,
like when Diana passed away, like them being so obviously

(56:12):
in a state of grief and mourning, and the country
could be there for them and rally around them, like
you know, even Harry and Megan leaving, Like that's a
very like human thing in terms of like I just
feel like they need to understand like it is through
humanity and it is again through complexity and gray area

(56:32):
that we all can truly connect. And I feel like
they're trying to withhold this image that is now like
we know, completely constructed, because it's starting to fall apart
in front of my very eyes, and I'm like, what
is this all for?

Speaker 1 (56:49):
What is this all for? It's to preserve meaning in
like this thing that has had meaning for it, Like
I mean, like this is not a totally discount the
royal family and like what its value is in like
British culture and world culture. It's like the value of
the monarchy is to like give people a sense of like, oh,

(57:12):
like let's fixate on these people for all these reasons,
and like now that the fixation is grim and dark
and like has like a mortal element to it, it's
a little sad. I think like people in the UK
would and across the world would like freak out a
little bit, I think. But it's not that they already aren't.

(57:33):
It's just that, like the smoke and mirrors of it
is a way to keep people like somewhat sane, and
yet it's having the opposite effect. I just think, if
she's really ill, I hope that everything's okay. But what
they're telegraphing now is that everything is not okay. And
now people are going to be panicking. Now, people are

(57:55):
going to be like, even if they are to come
out in a couple weeks or whatever and say what
the truth is, like, who's to say that that can
even be trusted? Right, Like at this point they have
completely lost everyone, not everyone, but like the majority I
think most people. Yeah, anyway, listen, speaking of Eck and Sue,
I just really want to debrief on the Traders. Yeah,

(58:17):
we have to have it on my little list. I
mean that finale was eventful, It wasn't uneventful. You can't
say nothing happened. Yeah, I do think it was just
such a an empty finish. It was scoundrel behavior from
Traschelle I'm just gonna put it on Trachelle honestly, and CT.
I guess if they both went in because they both

(58:37):
made that pact with each other. I am a little
thrown by CT voting for Trischelle, Trischelle voting for CT,
Trichell voting for CT. Yes, yes, yes, but like the
way they like, the way they iced hat MJ was
just so fucking crazy to me, and it was so
sel It's just like, oh, you you couldn't have done
a three way split just on a math level, on
like a greed level. Is that what that was? I mean, yeah,

(58:58):
it's a game totally. I did think. Yeah, I think
what they did is above board. Okay, well we're going
to disagree. I agree to disagree. I didn't watch the reunion,
although someone did say, like, for people who don't watch Bravo, like,
you have to understand how embarrassing it is for Trischelle
to sit that far away from the center in terms
of the gameplay.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Ultimately, she was the only person who deserved the money,
like her and CT, because MJ got to the end
literally wrong every single time. I mean, she was literally
a definition of a goat. So I understand being with
her at the end and being like, I don't want
to share the money with her. I mean, that's happened before,
and it is a game, like, yes, maybe they were

(59:35):
the faithfuls the whole time, and so you don't want
to backstab it faithful.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
But it's also like you are there to win the money.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
So as a game move, I would have respected it
had they gone in and been like, you and I
are going to split the money like we stbby where
let's get her out of here, because ultimately she also
could be a trader. I do believe that Troschelle had
a reason to believe that CT could have been a trader,
and so when she voted for him, I was shocked.
And then she talked it through afterwards. I was watching
an interview with her afterwards and she talked it through,

(01:00:02):
and I was like, oh, yeah, there were definitely times
where his willingness to allow her to get a shield
she read that as like, oh, he doesn't feel like
he needs one, he's a trader. Like there were there
were moments where I was just like, I get that reasoning,
So I would have understood it either way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I think it's a little bit of a bummer that
Kate kind of stopped trying at the end, But that's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Kate down like she she is someone who disengages like that. Yeah,
as we saw last season, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Kind of got a lover like but being in the
top four when there literally had to be a trader
there because Chat had been murdered, and her being like
I believe that everyone hears a faithful It's like, mommy,
you just gave it away. Like but but then it's like,
I don't know did she throw it because she came
in halfway through and said I don't really deserve this,

(01:00:54):
like let's let them have the money and duke it out.
Like I can see that. But yeah, obviously anytime anyone
is in any of these games, I want to see
them try to win all the money. That's just what
I think is that's gameplay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I understand it's gameplay, but it is so funny, Like
Trischelle was framing these the entire game is like an
absolutely moral kind of like crusade where it's like the
traders are murdering us that we are to get Like
I kind of took it as that. I was like,
she's taking this serious, like and I understand the shift

(01:01:31):
to like pure gameplay towards the end. But it was
like a, oh, I don't know, I just I just
don't like her, that's all. She's like Gazelle levels to me.
I'm like, I can just tell Giselle and Troschelle are
not your girls anyone that ends with an L except Chrishelle. Chris,
You're alleged love your Roschelle. No if I if Trichelle

(01:01:52):
shows up to an upfront event, not that I get
invited to them anyway, but I'm just like, oh no,
it's always like the upfront is always where Bowen expecting
to have to throw hands. Yes, I'm gonna do it. Sorry, Sorry,
Donald Langley. I feel like, yeah, I mean it was
a fun season. It's a fun season. I'm sorry. I
don't think some honey, Dan and Peter like just people

(01:02:13):
who kind of like killed the vibe of the whole thing.
Dan by like killing the sort of like making it
impossible for the traders to win, and then Peter for
just being so smug and making the faithful as impossible
to root for. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Yeah, that's a really good distillation of what it was.
I guess, like I just wish that people could get
all on the same page about like the fact that
it's a game and you gotta do what you gotta
do to win the game. Like and I feel like
in Australia, not in the UK. And the UK they
were very emotional all over the place, but in Australia

(01:02:47):
it was clear that everyone was there for the money,
which is why you're there, Like, and so anytime like
some emotion like comes into it, or whenever anyone's like
I have to think should I vote with my head
or my I'm like screaming at the TV.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Your head, your head, oh, with your head. But the
thing about this season of The Traders, which I thought
was interesting to see play out, was like, if it
is all reality TV veterans, there are so many other
factors that go into it where it's like it's not
like a full normy season where it's like they don't
know each other. They don't know each other from Adam,
they don't know what their strategies or what their reputations are.

(01:03:24):
Like this was a season of The Traders where it
was like, oh, did it work? And I think it did?
But did it work if everyone knows has all these
preconceived notions going in. That's all yes, definitely, that's what
I think. Whatever it is, it just.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Has to be on an even playing field. And season
three it is going to be reality stars again, like
that's yes, yes, yes, confirmed. But what I like about
an All Normies cast, like an Australia cast, is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
You really believe they need the money.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
And so for example, like on Australia, it's one woman
being like, yeah, probably with the money, I'll get a
new hand. It's like that's different than k chesting, you
know what I mean, Like, probably with the money, I'll
get a blow out every week for the rest of
my life, you know what I mean. It's like I
would rather I don't think she cares about her hair,
I said. In every scene it looks like she's hanging
upside down. It's wild ish.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Down, chaotic as shit. In every scene, it's like the
hairstylist was like, hmm, for you, we're gonna go static.
I'm just gonna rub my feet on a carpet, honey,
and then we're gonna get you electrocuted as fuck. Like
she her hair looks fucked, freshly fucked, freshly electrocuted. It
is fuzzy, but that's the one thing I like about

(01:04:42):
Australia and I have to say, watch this season because
it is so good and you just get that there's
a desperation for the money there that informs the gameplay
and makes it even more cutthroat. Like I don't know,
I just my thing is I just want to see
the game played well. Of course, it's fun to have

(01:05:02):
like the fun elements of like you know, the reality
show aspect, like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Oh, lord Naik and Sue, no one likes you, poverty.
I don't have to kiss her ass for a ro.
I was like, that's all fun. But it was very
funny at the reunion. And if you watch the reunion,
you'll see like the housewives treating it like a Housewives
reunion and the gamers being like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
You, guys, it's a game. But I kind of love
seeing that sort of mingling.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Oh, it's so funny. The collision is so funny. Also,
it was such like fan service wish fulfillment for me
to see Parvety sitting next to Andy Cohen in a reunion.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Like I said, God is so good. I started. I
started the episode and I was like, I'm sorry to
be superficial, but Parvety looked at me and saying, she
loo's great. She looks stunning. I mean, look, if it's
gonna be a reunion, like, let's turn the reunion. And
also Peppermint had a I'm glad they gave Peppermin a
moment to be like me, being on the show was
incredibly meaningful m hm. And it was so disappointing that

(01:05:59):
I went out. So we're yeah, fuckinglle Man. You know,
it's it seems like they are okay. You know what
I would say, like, that's my thing is like Peppermint
and Tochelle seem okay. Peppermint applauded for Trischelle when they
talked about how she was the winner. They still follow
each other on Instagram, Like, but I also wouldn't mind
if I never had to think about Tchelle ever again.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
And that's that is your right. And guess what, maybe
now that she's won the money, maybe she'll retire.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I don't know. Speaking of a human being with contradictions,
I do just want to touch on the Madonna concert.
Oh yes, please, this was so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I had a great time. I'm so happy I went.
It was a very comprehensive show. You got everything. She
was playing the hits and also there were some swerves
highlights for me, crazy for you. I mean, I just
love that song so much, like love that song love
hung Up. Just the Vogue section was fucking great. Ali
Wong came out at my show. Oh that's fun, and

(01:06:52):
I will also say the highlight, and I would think
that this maybe is the highlight of like for many
people for our entire tour. I was at the show
where Kylie Minogue came out, and it was such a
moment to see Kylie and Madonna on stage together and
they sang an acoustic version of I Will Survive and
then Madonna let everyone in an acapella can't get You

(01:07:12):
out of My Head like chorl oh my god. There
was so much love and respect between them, genuinely, Yeah,
And that was so amazing to see, like, and it
felt like all artifice dropped away for a second. Yeah,
And Kylie came out and Madonna pointed at her and
she was like, this is a real survivor. And I
feel like only they can really understand like the positions

(01:07:35):
that they're in and obviously like women at that level,
but to see them stand together and you know, Kylie
was wearing her shirt that said Madonna. That called back
to when Madonna wore that shirt that said Kylie Minogue,
and it just was a joyful, faggy moment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
I love it. These are two very important people. Yeah,
oh my god. I mean yeah, like there needs to
be some sort of documentary, some sort of journalistic thing
on those two on their careers, like side by side,
because they really were like two sides of the same
coin for a while, like coming up around the same time,

(01:08:11):
representing different things, kind of converging, then diverging, converging, but
then I mean in the end, it all converges back
once again, and it's like, these are just two fucking legends,
and to see them kind of join together and celebration
is really really beautiful. I mean god, I do have
regrets about not going to see her Madonna when she
was in New York, but that is a very special

(01:08:34):
She had Barclays, she was Barclays and she did MSG
and I misspoke. Oh wow, I was very very sad.
But yeah, this was that the Forum. Oh great, And
she's been done so many shows. I really feel I
went to the right one. You definitely did, And the fact.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
That we got Kylie Mino' is like, oh, Cardi b
came out and did the Vogue section last night. Apparently
it was a blast, like Tony Gomez was saying, it
was so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Oh fun.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
But I wanted to say one other thing. Madonna, which
is at the top of the concert, she was, you know,
it was like after the first couple of songs and
she was addressing the audience, and so many times she
was like, you guys need to put your fucking phones away,
get up on your feet. She was like talking to
the audience like we were her servants, and we loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
But at one point she goes, you know, I've been
in this business for forty fucking years.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I've been doing this for forty fucking years, and just today,
just like the first day, I give zero fucks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
And then I was like whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
And then like a beat goes by and she goes,
well sometimes I give like one and a half fuck,
and I was like, I was like thank god, you know,
like because it just goes to show that like even Madonna,
someone who got to where she's got by being like,
you know, no holds barred, confident in doing what she

(01:09:49):
wants to do, like to see that she exposed in
that moment, the complexity and the humanity of like I
am Madonna, and that comes with so fucking much talk
about someone who's been dissected, hated, beloved. Cast Aside said
like she was over, said she was the greatest thing
in the world, the highs, the lows, everything for Madonna

(01:10:13):
at the end of it to expose about herself like
you know, I know my image is like bitch on Madonna,
and she in that moment was like sometimes I give
like one and a half fuck because yeah, like when
you get to that point, like there's so much responsibility
and you mean so much more than you can even
possibly fathom. You are such a fully realized figure in

(01:10:35):
the minds at least there's a perception that you are
a fully flashed figure of everyone in the world because
you are Madonna. And to see her exposed that she
actually does care sometimes about like maybe what goes down,
what people might think, like what's being said, I thought
was like very full circle. And I also felt like

(01:11:00):
was empowering almost to see her be up there and
not like lie or hide behind some facade of like I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
A bulletproof bitch. Like to see that like soft core.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
I was like really appreciative of that, And from that
moment forward, I was able to enjoy the concert even
more because this is someone who's like showing this arsenal
of hits and this this entire career, this story, and
at the end of it all, like she exposed that
humanity and I was able to really appreciate her triumphs
even more.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Well, let that be like proof positive that you can
be sixty five years old and be celebrating your entire
body of work with people who love you in that
space and still acknowledged the idea that like, it's just

(01:11:54):
it's the human condition just to like care, to like
be vain sometimes, which is not necessarily like what is
the universal? But it's like you are like there is
no escaping that you cannot, like you have to kill
such a crazy deep part of yourself in order to
not care, in order to like just let the work

(01:12:15):
speak for itself and let that be the only thing,
and let that be the thing that you rest all
of your value on. It will never be that, even
if you're fucking Madonna, your forty years of work will
not be the thing that like saves you or inoculates
you from feeling like insecure or inadequate or like you're
not with it in whatever way, And it's fine. It's

(01:12:36):
like anytime we feel like, God, shouldn't I have grown
past this? Like, shouldn't I have outgrown this part of
my life? Like you never will? That's okay, that's scary,
But it's like it's just how our brains are wired.
It's like we have not evolved past that on a
sort of like cerebral level.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
You know, it's not natural to be Madonna and have
world wide international influence and discourse about you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
That's not natural.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
So to hear her say I give one and a
half fuck, that was to me kind of revolutionary to
hear from her.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
I like the grammatical sort of like itch of like
not plural fucks, right, give one and a half fuck
one and a half yeah, and singular fuck, which doesn't
grammatically totally make sense. Title of app one on and
a half fuck, I love it. That is a really
good title of app. Actually, yes, that's a very good
title of app. We tapple everything in the culture, should

(01:13:43):
we do? I don't think so, honey, I think so.
This is I don't think so, honey. This is where
we take one minute to go off against something in culture,
go off on something in culture. Matt, do you have
something I do?

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
And before I do this, this has nothing to do
actually it kind of has something to do with it.
But I do want to say one other thing, which
is I went to that Elton John oscar party, Oh
my god, and I saw something strack. And to see
something strack at the Elton John party when that had been.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
A plotline on the show was lol to me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
And I will say the highlight of my night was
when I was standing at the bar trying to get
a drink and I look, I look over and there's
Kesha and we were all ready for drinks and the
bartenders were doing an incredible job, but like it can
never be fast enough, so Kesha as a joke, like
grabbed a bottle of champagne off the bar and like
pretended like she was going to take it. And I
turned to her and I said, that was the most

(01:14:31):
Keshau shit I've ever seen. And she left and we
had a nice, little.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Cute little moment. You two, we don't know each other
and she does not know me from Adam, but I
did see her act Kesha in the wild, and so
I had to call it out. She was not stealing
it off the bar, just like I didn't steal that strawberry.
Short kick, bitch, you're doing accusations on that mo. My god,
we can't get into this, but no, we can't. You.

(01:14:58):
We would never, we would never do anything like this today. No.
I was twenty three, we were twenty three, and I'm
a human with complexities effect you're just at the same time.
I know that me and my sister share a bloodline,
a blood we share a blood live I have. I

(01:15:20):
don't think so, honey. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I
don't think so many as time starts now, I don't
think so honey.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
I have thought my en seam was different than it
is for years. No fuck, I've been there the wrong
in seam for years. For years, I've been saying my
enseeam is a thirty two. Suddenly I don't know what happened.
I realized, Huh, every single time I wear pants they're
too long. It's because my enseem is thirty four years.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
I have been bow and yang. I know my own
length of my legs.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
I am a thirty I have short thirty legs and
a long torso it is part of me. This is
me now and this me then. Since I started giving
my n S team, I have been a thirty. My
pants have always been too long. I'm always wondering, Huh,
why do I always need the best bottom of my
pants and tailored? Is there something wrong with my body? No,

(01:16:12):
there's something wrong with my brain. There's something wrong with
my mother, who told me I was a thirty two
in my entire life. Well, Katrina Rogers, I have news
for you. I don't think so, honey. I'm a thirty
in seam. Goddamn it, mama.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
And that's one minute. I'm sorry you took me on
a journey there because I thought you first started out
saying you didn't know what an en seam was, and
I was gonna say, oh no, no, my en seem
I feel like this is something you should have gotten
to the bottom of years ago, honey, one hundred percent.
But I have been so for years. Like it's not

(01:16:47):
something that like your mom tells you and then you
it's not like you know, oh, like one of your
uncles has like a secret family. It's not like that.
It's like, no, this is the thing that you can
sort of verify for yourself without having someone else time.
I know, but that doesn't mean I can't blame my mother.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
And what I would say is, for years and maybe
still even in my heart, for years I identified as
a thirty thirty two thirty waist thirty two in seam.
Not only it's it's literally flipped. I am now a
thirty two waist. Even sometimes we're ring on thirty three,
depending on what the situation is. Sure, sure, but my
waist has gone up. My enn sceam is a thirty.

(01:17:23):
I am a thirty two thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
And now that I refuse to believe I'm a thirty
two thirty bitch. And can I tell you something about
you don't believe? We have the same Yeah? Literally literally literally, Bowen,
we have the same legs. We'll compare next time I
see you. You are literally feet taller than me. Bowen.
My torso is a very long I have a swimmer's body.

(01:17:47):
You don't, God Bless must be nice. Excuse me. This
is about me and my en seam. Are we the same?
We are we both thirty two thirty? You know what
depended iie light. I'm like a thirty three, thirty sometimes
thirty four if it's the winner. That's what I'm saying,
Like if it's like January or we're having a hard time,

(01:18:08):
like it might even go up to someone. The other day,
I was getting fitted for work and the girl goes, okay,
so we need to get you a thirty four, and
I said, excuse me, like, and by the way, we're
not putting any we're not putting any stigma on any
way side, but we're the way size is beautiful. That
was just two sizes sometimes even three sizes bigger than
I usually.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I don't want this to fall off, right, And I
was just like, I was like, oh, that feels too
big for me. And then they explained like, oh, when
you're getting fitted for things for like a job like that,
you want to get something a little bit bigger so
that it can be brought in, Like because that's just
the way it is. But anyway, it's not me saying
like if my waist right now is a thirty three
thirty four, that's fucking great. I just should know that,

(01:18:48):
and I should know that my end seam is a
thirty because that will never change. And I've been saying
thirty two for the longest time. I swear to God,
I'm so happy now. I just threw out all my
pants bowing, and I went to fucking Banana Republic itself
and I got some new pants, and I'm so happy
because they're all thirty n CM and I feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Finally, finally, finally, it has happened to me. My pants
are correctly fitting. I'm very happy for you. So happy.
Pants are really tough. They can be some of the toughest.
We don't talk about how that it's it's a deeply
personal journey, and it's sometimes it's lifelong. I still am
not really finding the right genes. I've avoided jeans. I'm

(01:19:31):
finally ready to go back into jeans. You really don't
wear jeans. They don't look good on me. But I
believe it's like my journey with love. I believe it's
out there. But I have had bad luck, and I
may maybe it's because I'm not genetically built for it. No, girl,

(01:19:51):
I'll tell you what we're gonna do. Next time I'm
in New York. We're gonna go to APC. I love APC.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
We're gonna get you some jeans because we're gonna figure
this out. We're gonna get to the bottom of this one, okay,
because there's no reason you should be feeling anything but
excited about your legs, which are aspa ration.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
No, they need to be contextualized properly with the right shoes,
the right short, right shorts or pants. You are so
powerful in a short, I know, but I can't wear
them all the time because the legs are legging. I
love my legs, but I'm saying the pants, the way
that pants are produced in this world not meant for me.

(01:20:29):
We're gonna get to the bottom of this, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Sometimes that's how I feel about shirts, Like sometimes I'm like,
because my torso is on the long side, I feel
like oftentimes like something will fit me on the shoulders
and then be like a little too short on the bottom,
which is never something anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Needs, no of course, But Matt, you you are a
very well proportioned person. You know this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Hey, Bobby, all right, so this will be bowing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Yeah. I don't think it's the honey that's always so exciting. Yeah,
and he has one minute on the clock and bone Dan,
I don't think so many time starts now, I don't
think so, honey, this video game Final Fantasy Sevin Rebirth.
It is stoppering all culture consumption for me. It's the
first thing I do when I wake up. It's the

(01:21:12):
last thing I do before I go to bed. I
am three episodes behind on Drag Race, and you know
I need to catch up because our Good Girl Joke
and Booster is guest judging next week. This week, oh,
this week, this week, I have not watched a single
Housewives reunion from between Miami and Beverly Hills, and I'm
usually up up to speed on all that second. It
was a struggle. It felt like homework watching The Traders finale,

(01:21:35):
and I never thought I would say those words. I
was on a reading tear with my books, and all
of it has stopped because of this game that is
so beautiful, so effervescently fun, narratively doing so many things
that I've never seen done in media before five seconds.
This game is a celebration of video games in general.

(01:21:56):
It is a celebration of fun, and that's why I
love it, and that's why I can't get away from it.
That's one minute. So that was one of those sneaky
I don't think, Sohney, is that I thought how much
I love about it, and I was like really shocked.
My qualm is that I haven't been able to do
anything else. It's disruptive. It's disruptively good. It's disruptively good.
I mean, Matt. This game has you play these like
mini games that are like, oh, you're you're thrown around

(01:22:18):
a soccer ball for five minutes. Oh, you're playing a
card game which is amazing, by the way, called Queen's Blood.
Oh it's such a sleigh but it makes you First.
I normally don't give a shit about these minigames in
video games. I'm like, let's just keep it moving, Let's
get the main thing going. I don't want to be
distracted by these side things. No, the side things are

(01:22:39):
just as fun. I want to win at the side gas.
I want to achieve the highest rank at the side games.
There's a game where you played the piano and you
have to like it's like Dance Dancer Revolution, which you
know is very formative for me. This game is pure fun,
pure fun. Oh, I have another adem think so money
really quickly? Okay, I don't think so, honey, Alex English, No, No, no,

(01:22:59):
just very very very Alex English. He changed I got
Steff on on air on SNL for this Lisa Temecula sketch.
This was really good. He switched up the cue cards
on me. Aga was supposed to have the line I
am neurodiverger, but she did not say neurodivergent. She said
something else. But then instead I see on the cards
points to Bowen before the next line. And I have

(01:23:21):
never felt a more pure, even blend of horror and
joy than that moment. It was so fucking It was
the craziest moment of my life. I thought, I was like,
nothing's going to be like you know, the first Lisa
in terms of like, oh, because we're black, Like that
was my soul left my body. This was something else,

(01:23:44):
but just as thrilling and satisfying. I was just like,
this is the craziest thing for Ago to point to
me and say that line is fucking demonic and Alex English,
I love you to death, but you are you are
dast You're on burn Notice you're preemptively you guys got burned.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Here's your notice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was so funny.
What a great episode altogether. That was like I actually
all my friends went out and I stayed home to
like watch it because I was like, I needed a
night off anyway, because we did game show on Friday,
I went out Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
I didn't want to watch Ari.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Well, I had to intel that there was going to
be some special sketches, and I did want to see
her live performances, and they were great. And I had
serious fomo because I know that a lot of the
a lot of girls were there. Yeah, and then I
saw you guys playing What are you guys seeing karaoke
or playing video games?

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Afterwards? What were you guys? We were saying karaoke in
my office, But Ben Plat, Noah Galvin were there. I
heard we were all hanging out in Nari's dressing room.
After the show. She had to hop on a jet
right to go right to La to go to the
Oscars and getting glam. Yeah, she did not mix the
after party. But she loves Josh and Air and she
loves Dix the Musical. And I will reveal that Josh

(01:25:03):
did did dare her. He goes, I will pay you
one dollar if for best original song, you open up
the envelope and say it's a tie between Dix the
Musical and Theater Camp one dollar. She couldn't make that happen.
She said, Okay, I'll think about it. Okay, just doing
the bit obviously, but just being like, okay, yeah, let

(01:25:23):
me let me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Anythink about how I can make that work. Anyway, It
was a very it was a very fun night.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
But I'm in La next week for you know, undisclosed
reasons having to do with the podcast maybe, but I
want to go out. I want to have a night
out with you, with my girl and the girls and
the other girls maybe post drag race.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
That can be arranged. That can be arranged for sure.
In fact, there is a there is something happening, so
I'll talk to you off air about it. But just
final words, I just want to say my best dress
was a tie between Sondra Schuler and Mulligan care both
Black was in, Black was in I thought they were stunning.

(01:26:01):
Sandra Huler was giving me like glamorous, like movie star
of yesteryear. I loved her sleek, pony's tail, hair, the shoulder,
it was powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
I thought she was a real winner.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Her movies did amazing and she may not have won,
but she looked incredible. I'm super like in awe of
her and Carrie Mulligan looked unbelievable, so fucking chic and elegant,
like the mermaid bottom of that dress, the gloves, like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
The cutout scalloped, the scalloped thing. Oh, just so fucking gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
She looked absolutely stunning, like for real, for real, I
do I'm biased, but Cynthia and Urie looked amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Johnny ally fucking chic, cunty choice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Yeah, they looked very good together. I'm sure obviously that
was like, you know, by design, yeah, representing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I do want to shout out Gucci did some beautiful
dresses for Lily, for Lily Gladstone, oh yeah, for the
show and for the Vanity Fair party. Like both of
her dresses were fucking stunning and such beautiful homages or
just like tributes to like Native dress, like just so beautiful,
like the feather motif and that color for the Oscars down,
I was like, oh, that's so stunning.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
The ear They're gorgeous, and I really feel like, you know,
I feel like it's just the beginning and like, oh,
it's truly us, and you know, they said they really
want to host SNL.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I would love for them to host SNL. I think
they would be amazing. And I have tea not on Lily,
but I will say I have on good authority that
Lily's mother watches SNL every week and calls me her son,
I'm gagging Lily Gladstone and mother says, my son is on.
Look at my son. I'm Lily's brother.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Oh my god, that is so gorgeous. Well, we're fans
of Lily. Lily was performing some Killers of the Flower
Moon was just beautiful, and there's gonna be much more.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
I'm excited about this Hulu show. I did not know
they were the star of this Hulu show. I just
only saw the preview during the Oscars and I was like, Oh,
what's that has Riley Kyoh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
Who's like he's so fucking good good. So I'm excited
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
And then I wanted to say two other things, which
is I feel like we haven't really gotten to talk
about this, but two things everyone should go see which
are literally created by friends of ours and starring friends
of ours. The first of which is The Emma Stone, produced,
written and directed by Julio Torres.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
This was great fucking till the Switton's amazing and it
like Julio has done it again, like Greta Titleman is
in it, Greta Lee, j Sully, Riza, fucking you know
what I mean, Like it's got such a great cast.
Oh my god, River Ramirez, like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Just the funniest human like god, so good, I mean,
you know, so good, just like I mean, gotta go
see that one. And then of course we haven't even
mentioned it, but oh Mary, oh Mary is I mean,
if you're in New York and you're not fighting tooth
and noil to go see this or you haven't already,

(01:29:12):
you are not doing it right. The funniest theater ever
I think, ever, it's so funny, like I mean, Cole
Escola just incredible. There are idol and has always have been,
like the best in the biz.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Again James Kelly also in that a little moment for
James Kelly lately and uh Conrad Rickmora and just the best.
Like so you gotta go see old Mary. You will
not be disappointed. It is so good.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
It feels with understudies by Peter Smith and Hannasolo good
friends of ours as well. Yes, yes, all around, just
great things, good peeps and all that and yeah, this
was This was last colch, This was last college. This
is a long episode of Last Coach. I know. We
end with the song something of Bed is made for

(01:30:05):
some bad made me go on. You picked her key too.
You usually never do that. I never do that. For
more of that, listened to Eternal Sunshine, Bye True Story.

(01:30:26):
I'm not gonna do Bye Bye

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