“Oscars And Other Things All At Once” (w/ Matt & Bowen)

It’s Hollywood’s Biggest Podcast Episode About A Night! Matt & Bowen join together to discuss the historic Everything Everywhere All At Once sweep, the Jamie Lee Curtis of it all, the Angela Bassett of it all, the concept of a “career Oscar”, Harley Quinn’s obvious manifestation in the mind and body of one Lady Gaga on the Oscar stage, Gaga as the Musical Mascot of the Academy Awards, and the idea of “Malala Best Dressed”. Also, a new perspective on the Naatu Naatu Oscar performance from Producer Hans, Matt’s Big Broadway Week, coughing and wheezing in the audiences of Broadway shows, what happens when a Disney ride hits it from the back, galvanization vs. dissociation on red carpets, Cunk On Earth, the Girls re-watch phenomenon of 2023 and tap water. Hold Our Hand, Readers! Everything will be okay!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look man, oh, I see you my old line and
look over there. How is that culture? Yees? Goodness ding dong.
Last Culturalista's calling he Oscar weekend. It just happened. It
kind of came and went, didn't it. I feel it's

(00:21):
been so long every year when the oscars are over,
I'm like, well that was long, like even last night.
Well we'll get into it. But the result was very positive.
I feel for this podcast at least I agree. I agree,
very happy with the result. But I must confess that
I did not watch the ceremony transit. I was in transit.

(00:41):
I was asleep. You know, it's tough. I didn't realize
that people east of America have it a little bit tough,
just past the Atlantic Ocean. It's the time zones are
tough for live television. Oh yeah, it's so hard. Well,
LA really makes it all about them, you know, would
you use LA live shows? They say we're getting in

(01:02):
at five on the dot, we're getting out by eight thirty.
And so the length of the oscars really doesn't perturb anyone.
But then if you are New Yorker or eastward, you
are up until the wee hours watching this very long
ceremony and what I would call a very long season
of campaigning, the length of it all. The Oscars truly

(01:25):
are a marathon. Yes, that's a rule of culture number
fifty seven. Yes, the Oscars a marathon. I did watch.
I watched with a large group of people, and I
will say that it was extremely loud at the party
I was at. I could not hear a lot of
what was happening, but certainly we stopped for some select speeches.

(01:48):
We basked in Michelle Yoe's glory Friend of the Pod.
It's incredible to say Michelle yo has won an Academy Award,
making history and rightfully so I mean, come on, come on,
let me just quickly backtrack. You said you were an
allowed Oscars party. Yeah, this is actually gonna be a
requirement for me in future years. No more than four people, Yeah,

(02:12):
no more than four people on Oscar Sunday because I
need to be watching because what happened last year at
the Oscars. I was at a big party, really hated it,
could not hear what was going on. Yeah, God, I
was home alone when the slap happened because I could
just experience the shock for myself. If I had been
in that room, it would have been chaos and I
would not have been able to process. Yeah, here we are,

(02:32):
we're all trying to sit and bask in the glory.
I mean, look, was everyone like we have to have
to have to hear what Jimmy Kimmel has to say. No,
but I want to hear what Jimmy Kimmel has to say. Absolutely,
I want to see how he approaches hosting duties. In
this very opportune year for that show. It feels like

(02:53):
a year to really go back to basics, go back
to tradition, embrace tradition even and reject modernity, which it
seemed like people really liked. Again. I say this as
someone who did not watch the actual show, but I
watched the monologue. Yea perfectly fine monologue, and perfectly fine
is maybe what we need. Yeah, you do just miss
the days though, when you had someone like a Billy Crystal,
like a Whippie Goldberg, really holding it down like it

(03:16):
was the reason I tuned in even as a kid.
I guess it's different now as like a movie ticket
paying adults. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that they
were just so nervous after last year. They had to
keep it completely like this is going to be by
the book even like it just didn't feel like there
was any And I say this, I don't say this
as a pejorative, but there was no edge to the monologue,

(03:40):
which probably was good. We needed a light atmosphere, and
I was curious how they were going to discuss the slap.
I thought the slap part of the monologue was probably
the strongest part. I loved the panning around to the crowd,
you know, everyone was involved, etc. And the jokes did work.
I mean, there were very few jokes that I thought
didn't work. I mean I think he kind of bailed

(04:00):
on that joke about the women directors as he was
saying yeah, yeah, kind of like his heart wasn't in it.
But overall, I thought, like, yeah, absolutely, like we got
off to the start. You know what I'm saying. Mmm,
I have to say, I am going to be very honest.
I feel like I am in a takeless state of

(04:22):
being right now. I have nothing to really offer. I
am not really consuming much of the culture, I am
not really forming opinions about much of the culture, and
this is not fun topic of conversation. I'm like, really, really,
really spent and it's not fun to talk about, Like
it's not interesting for me to talk about being tired.

(04:43):
It's the least interesting thing for anyone to say. But
this is like reaching a new level. And I'm sorry
that I'm bringing this into the chat. I wish I
had like a fun and excitement to bring during a
time like this when it's like a great Oscars that
like celebrated a lot of very populous movies and we
had so many people to root for, and that things
kind of came out in a very nice deserving way

(05:05):
in the end. But yeah, I am like empty mind,
Well looking for you. I've had nothing but time, and
I have experienced much culture. So maybe this episode is
me saying things and you're reacting at any energy level
you want to give by because I have tons to say. Okay,
So the Academy awards everything everywhere all at once, pretty

(05:28):
much swept history, making the most Oscars above the line
that we've had in the ninety five year history of
this ceremony were one by one film, everything everywhere, all
at once. And would you say that this is a
historic time for people using the term above the line,
I would say never before, and certainly in the last

(05:50):
twenty four hours. The words above the line have been
used so many times. Some people even know what they're
talking about when they're using the words above the line.
Usually they don't. And I've heard above the line said
so many times in the last twenty four hours as well. Yes, well,
above the line oscars meaning you know your best picture,
your acting categories, you're directing, you know your screenplay categories.

(06:11):
So we had everything everywhere, all at once, win Best Picture,
Best Director for Daniels, Best Actress Michelleo, Best Supporting Actor
Keyway Kwan, Best Supporting Actress Jamie Lee Curtis in a
race that really upsets some people, and I'm gonna get
into it, Best Original Screenplay in what was also a
tight race, and just on down the line, everything everywe

(06:34):
all at once, a film that we absolutely love, that's right,
and Champions that's right, took it simply all the way home,
took it simply all the way home. And it feels
like everyone was really on board for all of its
wins except for Best Supporting Actress. Yes, I found it
so interesting the first time ever in Oscar's history that
one single studio dominated won all the again above the

(06:58):
line Awards. So with Brendan Fraser winning for The Whale,
that means that a twenty four, for the first time
in Oscar's history, swept above the encounter. Now, let's talk
about this Jamie Lee Curtis thing. Well, before we get
to Jamie Lee Curtis, I just want to say, if
you put a gun to my head and said I
had to watch the Whale, I'd say pull the trigger.
I won't do it. You cannot get me to watch

(07:19):
the Whale. Whenever I see even a clip from The Whale,
I am so deeply hurt, distressed, and offended by everything
about it. And I'm not even just talking about like
the absolutely just McCobb like performance of like of Sadie's sank, Yeah,
of Sadie's sink exactly. It really hurts me. It hurts

(07:42):
my heart and my spirit. The score that plays during
every clip that they show that movie looks so wild
to me. And even though it is an Academy Award
winning film. With a gun to my head, if you
said watch the Whale, I'd say, Mama, here, let me
help you and we pull the trigger together. I will
not watch it. I can't believe that's an Oscar winning movie.

(08:05):
More than once. You can read many pieces by Roxanne
Gay Guy Brand, like many people have much more eloquent
things than me to say about this, but just no,
I stand with everyone who is like, absolutely fucked that film.
Never in my life, not even with a gun to
my head. Please pull the trigger. So that's what I

(08:25):
have to say about the Whale. Did you see the whale?
I did not see the way I share your sentiments,
and so we can just sort of move on from
the whale, which is something I'm happy to do talking
about this Jamie Lee Curtis of it all. Now, when
you watch everything everywhere, all at once, did you think,
Jamie Lee Curtis, this is an Oscar contender in your
honest opinion, In my honest opinion, I will say, if

(08:47):
you were to ask me after I saw the movie,
or at any point after I saw the movie, between
Jamie Lee Curtis and Stephanie's shoe, who is the bigger
Oscar contender, I think there was a very obvious answer there.
And then even throw Kerrie Connan in the mix, and
I would be like, oh, you know what, maybe still
Stephanie and bias aside still Stephanie. That's all sad. I

(09:08):
would agree, But it's not a new phenomenon to give
actors a career Oscar for, you know, a film where
they do a serviceable job. Jamie, she's wonderful in the movie. Yeah.
I would actually go as far as to say Jamie
Lee Curtis is extremely good in the movie. What I
think is annoying about like this weird backlash to Jamie
Lee Curtis's win, which, by the way, if anyone's upset

(09:29):
for Stephanie Shoe, do not be. She is absolutely overjoyed
and overwhelmed with gratitude, and that I can guarantee you
that was exactly the outcome that she wanted. She wants
nothing more than for Key, Michelle and Jamie to get
their flowers and for that movie and the Daniels to
get their flowers. Like, do not cry for Stephanie Shoe.

(09:51):
She is a way onto the best time of her life.
But the thing about the Jamie League Curtis of it
all is it's like to pretend this was the worst
career Oscar that they've ever given. Is so crazy to
me when that Laura durn marriage story win is in
recent memory yes, when fucking like, I'm sorry, even like

(10:14):
Meryl Streep Iron Lady, I'm like, why are we like
we're gonna an oscar for that, you know, like that
kind of thing. This is totally fine. It's completely fine. Like,
first of all, Jamie Lee Curtis as a function in
the movie, Everything, everywhere, all at once is hilarious. She
is the villain. She works perfectly within the tone of
that movie, and they fucking love the movie. So we

(10:34):
should have seen this coming after she won SAG. Either way,
this was probably going to be a career oscar given
because like Angela Bassett and Black Panther Wakonda Forever like
is also amazing. She's fantastic in the movie, but no
one left that movie thinking, and wow, that's Angela Bassett's Oscar.

(10:54):
Either way, it was going to be sure one of
these two iconic actresses was getting a career Oscar. They
just happened to go with Jamie Lee because they were
obsessed with that movie this year, rightfully so, And you know,
I understand the disappointment for Angela, but the thing is,
like I just don't get like a hatred and vitriol

(11:16):
for Jamie Lee. Curtis when there are way worse career
oscars that have been given. Laura durn essentially walked onto
that marriage story set and did Renata at a six
and won an oscar. Yeah, and I should say that
I feel stupid and silly for bringing up Iron Lady
because it was not in that category. But it's not.
It's all the same idea. Like it's the same idea, right, um,

(11:39):
completely agree with you. I feel like there was such
a clear fret runner going into that night. Yeah, that
it was hard to pick villains. I mean she was.
I mean Jamie Lee was sort of the most ready
made villain narrative to like for people to sort of
latch onto, I think, and I don't think it's a

(12:00):
coincidence bow that in the year of the chic wind
chimes on Beverly Hills Housewives. I mean that was a
campaign move when when Jamie Lee Curtis the Beverly Hills
and absolutely Blue doret Away. You have to remember these
women they have, they have that was fyc when she

(12:21):
brought in her my hand, in yours, my pot, in yours,
her incredible product line to the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
That was the beginning of the campaign, and we should
have known that Oscar was stamped with Jamie Lee Curtis's
name from the beginning. When she walked into Kyl Richards's
home and Doret said the word chic, the race was over.

(12:43):
When Kensley says, so chic, you're on the ballot, honey,
it's actually La Culture Number ninety says, so you're on
the ballot, honey. Honestly, it's just bizarre, like and I
get it, Like, Jamie Lee Curtis is such a she's
such a meme. She's such a because of the trauma.

(13:06):
This film is about trauma. This film is about trauma.
But the fact is, like she's out there busting her ass,
working hard. And I'll tell you what I really respect
that they never do is they never, ever, ever, ever,
ever give awards for performances that are purely comedic, purely genre.
And therefore, in terms of a career Oscar, I think

(13:27):
this is a really fitting one for Jamie Lee Curtis
because it was a genre performance. She has been one
of the most iconic actresses in genre films for decades
and don't fucking talk to me about Jamie Lee Curtis
winning this Oscar when you were rooting for Laura during
the other day, like, I mean the other day the
other year, Like is it like yeah, the other day

(13:49):
and everyone was doing it the other day and literally,
like I feel like I have this discussion so much
with other gay men, like about the Oscars. Then I'm like,
make it consistent. You know what I'm saying, one per
one thousand percent. I think it's pretty cool that a
sci fi film swept all these awards. I mean that
very shadow assessment. Oh, but on the Trauma, it's a

(14:11):
movie about trauma. Note like this cast like give it
up for the campaign though on this like I think
you haven't been ten million dollars for the campaign, a
lot of money more than they've ever spent. But this
group of people, between the Daniels and this cast and
everybody involved, was able to find ways to talk about
this movie as if it was their first time talking

(14:33):
about it for like, yeah, pretty much a year, like
a full calendar year. Oh yeah. We had Michelle on
the show like pretty much right after the movie came out,
and then we had Stephanie on months later. And that
was honestly before Stephanie was like actually on the real
radar for Best Supporting Actress. Like I remember thinking like, oh,

(14:54):
and that would be so cool if she got nominated,
And then she started to getting nominated for things, and
I was like, wait, like this is a really big thing.
It felt like the momentum kept picking up for not
just the movie, but for then the entire cast extended,
so honestly one of the better OSCAR campaigns I've seen.
And also remember this movie premiered literally almost to the day,

(15:17):
a year before the Oscars at south By Southwest, which
I also think put south By Southwest really on the
map as a place where you can debut your film
and it can go on to literally the highest heights.
So there's something too these festivals really early in the year,
word of mouth studios investing in quality and in yeah, sure,

(15:39):
niche films, but you know, investing in filmmakers and investing
in vision and investing in talent that is very singular
to these types of projects, because this is one of
those like once in a lifetime, once in a blue
moon movies that only comes together with all these different
singular talents. And then the campaign was run really fucking well,

(16:02):
and there's no other Best Picture winner like it Yeah,
it's true and so funny. There was some write up
about the Governor's Ball after the show, and they were
keeping people anonymous, but they were getting a lot of
quotes of people you know, I roll but going like, yeah, yeah,
there just wasn't any surprise to like that movie Sweeping
and it is just kind of And then some fucking

(16:24):
exact they didn't SESTI by in by name, but some
person was like, it's just kind of disappointing to see
a year where so many huge blockbusters were nominated, like
Avatar and Top Gun and them not take home any
big prizes. And it's like, well, even if you take
everything every roll at once out of the running, there's
still no like clinched front runner in that, you know,

(16:47):
like thank goodness for everything ever ever all at once
being in the race this year. Yeah, I also think like, yeah,
there's no surprise because the Oscar campaign, the Oscar season
continues for so long, and everything everywhere all at once
had such a campaign and such a strong hold on
voters minds and the public's minds that it felt like

(17:07):
a blockbuster, like you know, big juggernaut at the Oscars.
But also not for nothing. But had you said a
year ago that the Oscars would have been owned by
everything everywhere, all at once, that would have been a
huge shock. So it's just like, yeah, maybe on the
night it didn't feel like big surprises were happening and

(17:28):
you were not entertained or whatever you wanted to feel
during that three and a half hour show because you
felt like you saw it coming. But to step back
from it in a macro sense, like it is a
huge anomaly. That's something like everything everywhere, all at once
wins not only Best Picture, but that many Oscars and
is this historic of a moment. So that's just to

(17:50):
me saying just how kind of lame people can be
about like kicking my feet, about me not having a
fun night, and less about like whether or not what
should have happened happened. That is ridiculous. And it's a
different kind of shrug than Coda winning Best Picture last year. Right,
we were like wait, what okay, Like this is more

(18:13):
of a m interesting peculiar like minimizing this crazy triumph,
which I get that. It's like it's at a certain
point this a movie like this becomes easy to dunk on.
I think and easy. It's easy to dunk on it. Yeah,

(18:34):
it is not like the intellectually interesting thing to do,
I promise, right, Not that I'm an intellectual, but I'm like,
I really think that. It's just like the reason it
sustained this sort of importance throughout the campaign without growing
stale at any point was because it was a legitimately
great movie that got people to the theater to see it,

(18:56):
that told a story about ordinariness being credibly powerful and
meaningful and beautiful, a thing that everyone can resonate with,
a thing that like gets my immigrant mom to go
see the Speaking movie and cry like it's I think
it's pretty major. Whatever you want to know what, there's
so many narratives that are such winning, like feel good

(19:17):
narratives about this, like obviously, like the history it makes
for Michelle Yo who again, like my rubric as always,
I've said it a million times, like could anyone else
have done it? This? Literally no one else could have
done it, no one else would have done it, and
that so for that, the family narrative, the queer narrative,

(19:38):
which often gets lost in the discussion, you know, just
across the board, like this is a huge victory for
I think creatives and I think for the Oscars themselves,
because even though these exacts are saying whatever the fuck
they're saying, like this is an extremely cool movie to
win Best Picture, it's not stodge, it doesn't feel like

(20:01):
everything else. It totally breaks open what studios may invest
in as a quote unquote Oscar film. You know what
I mean. It's not like a biopic, it's not. It's
never boring. In fact, if people have a complaint about
it is it's that it's completely overwhelming, over stimulating. Yeah, yeah,
and overstimulating, which is like I mean, for a maximalist

(20:23):
like me, like I fucking love And to say nothing
of the fact that it absolutely catapults our dear friend Stephanie,
who now everyone in town knows who she is, and
she looked absolutely beautiful too, God truly, I mean, just
a radiant and beautiful person in her whole life. But
it's like you said earlier, nobody worry about her. She

(20:45):
is someone who I don't know anyone who has a
healthier relationship to the artifice and the weird, bizarre aspects
of that business. She just sees it for what it
is in such a fun yea of a better word,
like kooky way, Like she's riding high on this and

(21:06):
it's perfect. It couldn't have happened to a better person.
What I always like to do is I like to
watch the announcement of the winners in the five boxes, Like,
you know what I'm saying, That moment of euphoria that's
Steph like displayed when Jamie Lee one was one hundred
and fifty percent authentic. I will say, if one thing
bummed me out, it's that Angela was clearly hurt, you

(21:29):
know what I mean? She clearly thought maybe that was
going to be her moment. And the thing is it
would have felt incredible had it been her moment. And
I completely understand disappointment. But the fact is, like, so
she doesn't win an Academy Award for a Black Panther
or Wakonda forever, you know what I mean, Like it
wasn't the best performance of her career, Like it was
an amazing performance. It would have been incredible to see

(21:51):
her win. But I genuinely do believe Angela Bassett's moment
is coming. I really do. I don't know that Jamie
Lee gets another like huge opportunity like that in such
a weird specific thing that feels again very Jamie Lee
Curtis in a way, whereas, like you know, with Angela,

(22:12):
like she was able to deliver like that extremely regal, poignant,
there's like a leadership quality and obviously in her performance
as the Queen and Black Panther were Konda Forever that
I think is intrinsic in her. There's so many things
about that role that feel very Angela Bassett, but there's
also so much more that she can and will do.

(22:32):
And I think, especially now, so many people are going
to be like, we have to write Angela Bassett's Oscar role,
like watching her sit there and not get it was
a tough one, but I just don't believe that she
will go with that one. I really do think her
moment is coming, but I get I get the frustration
about that. I really do. Totally totally Gaga Gaga. She

(23:03):
needed no introduction, got the makeup off, serious, said, give
me the cleansing bomb. I'm doing double cleanse before I
go on stage. Give me the my cellar water, she said,
house Labs makeup removers. Gave me the house Labs, and
then she went on that stage in torn jeans, and

(23:23):
a big gray T shirt and look she delivered. At first,
I was like, oh, what what is this? It was scary,
you know what, it was giving? It was giving. She's
deep and I think she is, and I think she is.
You could see in her eyes. I was like, there
is something fucked up going on on the set of Joker.

(23:45):
There is something deeply dark going on. Because first of
all her first words being I wrote this song with
my friend blood Pop. I was just like, can you
imagine not knowing who blood Pop was and being in
the audience and like the I'm recording to Lady Gaga,
whose seconds before was in a full garment and makeup
now is looking wrecked on stage with her like a

(24:09):
few members of a band, like John Williams is sitting
third row hearing the name BloodPop going who John Williams
is there and he has to know about BloodPop. Engineer
Doug says, looked great and killed it. I agreed, Doug,
honestly too. Like I was also nervous in the beginning
of the performance because she kept it in the basement

(24:30):
for a long time, like that was not right, that's
a whole my hand. But then she got up, she
went upstairs. By the end, Oh yeah, she got up,
really did. And then did you notice when Kimmel in
the monologue like through to her at some point. I mean,
I think they're friends, Like she's been on Kimmel a
bunch of times, and like, yeah, I think they liked
each other a lot. But there was a moment where

(24:51):
like she like turned on in a way that kind
of overcorrected. I think she was being very present, just
have the kind of Gaga mindfulness that she's been in
for her whole life. Yep, but like there's something different
about this, about it being you know, joker mode literally,
and then she kind of just like, hey, you're gonna
see like it's like something kind of she's a laughaway

(25:13):
from a tear right now. She's a laughaway from a
tear right now. And it's very interesting. I hope she's
taking care of herself. We obviously there are no two
people who love her more in the world than us.
You know, she's not taking care of herself though, you
know she's not. I thought Chromatica was going to change things.
I thought it would be Gaga by but two and

(25:35):
Chromatica we're going to be like the sort of blood
letting moments where she was going to be on the
path to like healing. And I do think she has
done a lot of healing. I just think she takes
on these projects where she has to fucking self immolate.
You know, she has to like really fucking like suffer.
And you know that Joaquin is not the best influence either,

(25:57):
because he also goes all the way hard in and
so to think of the two of them doing Joker,
and then even just the drama of her being like,
I'm not performing and then the next day or two
days later it being like, no, just kidding, she is,
and we had been told she doesn't feel she can
get it together for the performance, and then then being

(26:19):
like okay, never mind, she is, and then the camera
panding over to her looking the way she looked. I
wrote this song with my friend blood Pop and even
if you're broken inside, you can be her own hero.
I was like, is she about to crack? You're like
the alarms are sounding. I think it was a very

(26:39):
smart move of her to really, you know, she like
it would have been weird if she had any production
element to it, And so for her to be like,
let's go all the way to the the other direction. I'm
gonna be in a T shirt and jeans. I'm gonna
be basically sitting kneeling in a squat whatever, and then
I'm gonna like stand up at the end. That is
the most action that's going to happen on stage. That's

(27:01):
the most blocking, great move, great idea, truly, very very
very smart, and I'm proud of our girl. Yeah, I'm
proud of her. I mean, she ripped it up. I
will say, it's just so funny that, like when she
was initially nominated for Holding My Hand for Top Gun Maverick,
It's such a big fucking movie and such a huge

(27:23):
song that we were always like, oh, it's gonna be
fighter jets, it's gonna be parachutes, it's gonna be wind machines.
And she came out there looking like tiny Tim and
she came out there barely able to stand and gave
that performance that we were not positive she was going

(27:45):
to make it through, and it still was a highlight.
And she never flops on that stage. She absolutely she
crushed sound of music Till It Happens to You was
a fucking moment, like Shallow, that was a moment in
culture and this whole my hand performance was unforgettable. She
is four for four on delivering like and I love it.

(28:08):
I mean, like my friend was saying, like, what a
thrilling career pivot like for her to go from the
pop star that she is to like essentially like this
fixture at the Academy Awards. And you know, you simply
know that if Joker Foliad is good, she'll be there again.
She'll be there again. She'll perform a number from it,

(28:31):
which I'm sure she'll contribute something to the soundtrack. It
is a musical, perhaps even nominated for Best Actress or
Best Supporting Actress. I don't know how big her role
will be, but they fucking love her. We love watching
her on the show. Lady Gaga. Is the Oscars a
couple of things. I mean, remember that first time she
did the Oscars doing sound up music. It was this like,

(28:53):
oh she's there, and it was it was in this
rough patch in her career post art pop, I think,
pre Joe An. It didn't seem right. Yeah, there was
not a lot of certainty. You weren't sure where it
was going next, right yep. And then that was when
like your grandpa was like, I actually like that Lady
she's got she can really sing, yes, and then from

(29:13):
there just like built and builds and builds. And the
second thing is with the Joker Folia to being a
musical thing. Um, Josh Sharpe is this great joke where
he's told you right where it's a it's a jukebox musical,
and he's like, I think it would be actually so
incredible if she and Joaquins sing shallow, sang shallow and Joker,

(29:39):
wouldn't that be a maz I honestly can feel. I mean,
we've heard Joaquins sing and walk the line that obviously
sits right in his register. I really want to hear
not just Lady Gaga, but Harley Quinn sing as Ali. Yeah.
I mean this is meta on meta on meta, and
it's film greatness. Doug Engineered. Doug says her performance was
a very rock and roll moment. Yes, strip it all back.

(30:02):
The danger was present, no glitz, no glam, no maximalism,
not even for top Gun Maverick. The winner of Best Sound. Yes,
she just gave it to you. That not too Nato
performance was amazing, electrifying. Yeah, congrats, I mean I have
not but I really want to. I've I've been meaning to,

(30:24):
and that fucking if that performance was not Oh no, wait,
what's Hans saying? Oh, Hans said, not a single South
Asian on stage for NATO. Okay, Hans, explain more. You
can't just drop this what Hans Hans wants to? Come on,
Come on, Hans, because we're not able to speak to this.

(30:46):
Hi folks, Hi, Hi, okay, so explain what what's going on? Yeah? Sorry,
I didn't want to derail the Loves because it's an
incredible song, a deserving award winner. But I have seen
and obviously the people in the crowd and the audience

(31:06):
were like electrified, enthused and loved that performance. But I
gotta say, my wife and I, who are South Asian
dancers from back in college and have like plenty of
South Asian dancer friends, we just sat there like kind
of confused the whole time, looking at these faces who
appeared to be some form of people of color. But

(31:27):
we're like, are these people South Asian? Did they just
outsourced this to like a local Los Angeles dance company
to just like recreate the dance from the movie. And
I don't know for a fact that there were no
South Asians on stage, but reading a little bit about
it afterwards and just sitting there confused, where we're just like,
how could they do this? But of course the oscars

(31:49):
of any body would do something like that. It does
appear that they hired Napoleon and Tabitha, who I know
from So you think you can dance to yes, I
guess for are you're off the performance? I don't know,
but it was. It was literally just like the dance
from the movie, which is an amazing day. And I
should add it's not just that I like, I am

(32:12):
a South Asian person who wanted to see people who
look like me doing a dance, although that's important, but
it betrays the entire point of the song in the movie,
which is that there's these two Indian guys at an
all white party who are being like teased and ridiculed
for being different and for not knowing how to dance,
and these white guys or what do you know how

(32:33):
to dance? Also do you know how to dance? Flamenco?
And they're like, no, but here's how we can outdance
all of you, and then they bust out. It's like
the most incredible dancing you've ever seen. It's uniquely Indian
dancing performed by two Indian guys to put all these
white people to shame. So when you fail to cast
South Asian people on stage, you like missing the entire

(32:58):
point of the movie in the performance on the song.
So it's just kind of ridiculous. Yeah, this this Indie
WI article that you've sent us as a representative for
the Academy in mos In Picture Art and Sciences. When
asked about the background of the performances, dancers told Indie
Wire that it was quote incorrect that there were few,
if any South Asian artists and the performance, though they

(33:18):
did not provide further information when asked for clarification. And
I gotta say, like just the dancing on stage, that
is an impossible dance to do in one take. Like
when you watch the movie, it's incredible. It's highly edited,
and I think I had seen an interview with SS
Roger Malory was like, yeah, there's like there's just no
way that dance is so high energy, there's no way

(33:39):
you can put But I think that like the framing
of that performances, let's try to do the impossible, was
probably never the right way to handle it and it
was just a bummer. I think that, like every other
song performance had some level of production, like everything everywhere
all at one song incredibly staged and performed Rihanna like
lifted into the sky and then not to Nato was

(34:02):
like they just put a picture of that palace in
the background on the screens and then they have like
people dance. So anyway, not to just trouble lovest love
the song, yeah, love the choreography. I think salth Asian
dance is just like so good that even a mediocre
version of it is really impressive, especially to like, you know,

(34:22):
not in any people who've never seen something like that before,
and they weren't like bad, they just didn't hold a
candle to what it could have been, right, So I
think the people are like rightfully blown away, but couldn't
on this platform, of all platforms, you know, not at
least talk about. Of course, of course, thank you for
letting us know. No, I'm happy that you did, because honestly,

(34:44):
I would never have known that. I don't feel like
it's that sinister and insidious of like the audience is
too dumb to notice. To me, it just feels like
one I'm sure there's not a South Asian person involved
in the production of the songs specifically, or somebody who
was in a position to say, like, hey, maybe we
should consider this. I think they probably thought they hired

(35:06):
great choreographers Nabby Tabs like legitimately are incredible, like some
of the best in the biz. They're just not the
right ones for that. And I think that when you're
in a machine that moves as fast as the oscars does,
there's probably just not somebody to say, hey, hold up,
let's like rethink this part of it. And I should say,

(35:28):
like testament to how incredible the song and the dancing
is that even an underwhelming version of it elicits the
response that it did, like the first standing ovation, I
think like people just out of their seats, enthused, electrified,
like there was nothing fake about that. No, I mean,
watching watching at home, I was like, that was an
unbelievable performance. I mean, like, I you never I would

(35:51):
never have thought anything. And I have not seen that
movie yet, but everyone that has seen it was simply like,
even with all the stars ours that they had nominated
in that category. And it's not always in a situation
where best Original Song has Rihanna and Lady Gaga both nominated,
and they have the opportunity to have one of those
women on stage accepting an oscar, which is a moment

(36:13):
in and of itself and a reason to bring in
people watching. It seemed like it was unanimous amongst everyone
predicting it and voting for it, that not To not
To was the deserving winner. And so yeah, that is
disappointed for them to have not like come through exactly
on the performance. But I will say as a viewer,
I enjoyed it thoroughly and made me very excited to

(36:35):
see the movie, which you have every right too. And
that's honestly what it's all about. It's like, does it
make you fall in love? Doesn't make you want to go?
Appreciate this movie. So thank you guys for giving me
the chance to talk about it. Of course, thank you
for talking, thank you for coming on, and we celebrate you.
And this is we've always said, more of a Howard
Stern esque podcasts than anyone knows, and that we have

(36:58):
people come in and sort of pop in, not in
that we have like you know, naked women coming in
and like seeing who can get tickled the longest, which
one of us is the Robin, then I'm the Robin
one thousand percent. Now, No, no, I'm not. I am not.
I have not for the past two years been giving

(37:19):
any energy besides Robin. Matt says something amazing funny every
other breath, and wow, yeah, I'm going really I'm I'm Robin.
I'm sorry. This is it's so boring for me to
complain about how tired I am. And it's not fun
to like route for me and be like hang in

(37:40):
there bow, but like it is tough. It is tough
right now for your old friends. Well, you are tiring.
You are tired for really good I'm tiring and I
am tiring. You are both tiring and tired for really
good reasons. I'll say that. I was also going to
say Rihanna performed her and her um pregn see, hormones

(38:01):
were very, very very present so she could deliver the vocals. Yes, yes, absolutely,
I'm bad Navy. I did not watch. Oh yeah, well
here's the thing about it. It's about one quarter of
a song, and so I think it's fine that you didn't.
I said, if that song was any better at all,

(38:23):
if Lift Me Up was any more of a song
than it is. She would have walked away with that award.
But the thing is it really is I mean, and
she admitted it's a lullaby. Sure, I guess I didn't
know that. The whole Malala moment happened while they were
setting up. Yes, the set for left me up, and
I guess Jimmy caught a little bit of flack for that.

(38:46):
I thought she handled it great. I thought she looked amazing.
She looked stunned. Malala may have been best dressed at
the Academy Awards, and sometimes that just happens. Sometimes Malala
shows up at the function and she is best dressed. Yes,
you always always always run that risk, right. I saw

(39:16):
so much Broadway. I'm so happy to hear more. Yes,
I need to hear all your opinions about Broadway. I
have to say. I saw was it one, two, three, four? Yeah? Okay,
so get this after Sizza, which was incredible. I then
saw Jessica Chastain in Adalla's house the day we recorded
last week's episode. And then, by the way, it was

(39:37):
an amazing moment when Jessica Chastain and Halle Berry handed
Michelle Yoe the oscar, and then the three of them
arm in arm left the stage, and that image was like, wow, gorgeous, stunning.
It's not necessarily representative of the best actress winners of
all time, but it was representative of I hope what
the future can look like. And I thought that was
a beautiful image to three of them arm in arm

(39:58):
walking off, I thought that was wonderful. But I just
wanted to say that I saw Jessica Chastain in a
Doll's House on Broadway, and I have thoughts and a review.
I really I've never seen a dollhouse performed live. This
was very minimalist. It's literally just the actors in navy
blue clothing on stage and rotating chairs that move about

(40:20):
the stage. That's really the only like stunt that the
show does until the end, which I won't spoil, but
it's really just like a genuine showcase for Jessica Chastains acting.
There's no props, there's no sets. She is absolutely unreal.
If this isn't a Tony win, then I don't know anything,

(40:41):
because this is like she's literally faced out to the
audience pretty much the entire time, Like even when she's
speaking with the other actors, she's rarely facing the other actors.
She's really giving it out and just to watch her shifts,
her control, her focus. It's really and by the way,

(41:02):
no audience has ever coughed more during a productions house
that I was at. I don't know what it is about.
It was just like everyone who was sick in the
world was at this theater. And I really have to
commend all the actors, but especially Jessica who holds the center.
It didn't deter her at all. Also, seconds into the

(41:28):
like not seconds mids into the performance I was at,
someone from the audience had to scream for help for
a doctor and there was a huge problem and someone
was escorted out. It was like a really intense moment
and they started from the top and they did the
whole thing again and Jessica was just perfect. I mean,

(41:48):
I just have to say, like I saw this in
the final week of her reign as Best Actress, and
I think it's so cool that what she decided to
do in her year. Yeah, you know, when she has
pretty much any choice in the world, huge, huge, huge
actress and you know, in her Best Actress moment, decided
to do this type of production of a doll's house.

(42:10):
It just was such a flex And yeah, if you
can go see just like a chest stain in a
Doll's house, you really should. If you're a theater person
like and SIPs the dells them before you go in.
Try not to cough, please, it's really giving cough drops necessary,
or just wait till you feel better to go, because
I'm telling you bowen every five seconds. No, no, no,

(42:36):
like that happened to me in a Chicago everyone's coughing
and Broadway Now it's a lot. It's not a COVID
thing for me necessarily. It's just like stop that. Maybe
just bring in like a water bottle or something. And
here's the thing too, this actually is true. Usually if
you feel like you need to cough, you can just
take a sip of water. Usually, yes, rule of culture,

(43:00):
what rules the number is that one thousand? It's really
culture number one thousand. Usually if you need to cough,
you water. Okay. So at Doll's house, that was fabulous.
At Doll's House, I give a nine out of ten.
And there's a stunt that happens at the end that
I won't ruin, which made the audience gasp, Oh my god.

(43:22):
Then on Tuesday, I went to go see Sweeney Todd
on Broadway with Annalie Ashford and Josh Groban. Now, this
show is still in previews, and I think what I
saw felt like a preview. So I am going to
be withholding my review of Sweeney Todd until I see

(43:43):
it again. And I have already bought my tickets for April.
I don't want to ring off any alarm bells about
Sweeney Todd. I think that this production is going to
get there. But I'm going to go again in April
so that I can be I think very sure about
what I say. That's what I'll say about that. But
there's a lot to like. And you did say something

(44:05):
in the Marlon Mandel episode, What did I say? You
heard her that it was Honorie Ashford's show, that it's
her show and she is fucking hilarious. I'll say that
like she you know what, it's giving the choice, it's
kind of giving like Goldie Hawn as Missus Lovett. I
didn't know based one when it started how much I
would like that choice, and I think it was the

(44:27):
right choice for her. Okay, there's just things about the
production that I think still need to like. I think
they're still working out sound and stuff, and so like,
I'm just waiting until I got to take it. That's
a little bit closer to the stage, until I can
really like soak in it because it's Sweeney Todd is
my favorite show of all time, and I just want
to make sure that I've seen what the production truly

(44:48):
is before I give a review. So I'm being I'm
withholding on that. Yeah, but stay tuned, stay tuned. Yeah, Okay,
review and coming Wednesday. I saw Ben Platt in Parade.
This was a ten out of ten. Wow. He is
like a weapon in terms of like musical theater performance.

(45:12):
He is such an incredibly gifted actor. And I actually
had never seen Ben Platt perform live, weirdly enough, even
though he's a friend of ours and there were ample
chances to see him and dear Evan Hansen back in
the day, I just never never low key had the
money to go and it was always sold out. I
never could go, So being able to see him live

(45:32):
was incredible. Parade. If you all don't know out there
is a musical. It's a Jason Robert Brown musical about
the trial, conviction, and hanging of Leo Frank who many
historians believe was incorrectly an unjustly tried for and hung
for the crime of murdering a thirteen year old factory
girl in Atlanta. It's deals with issues of anti Semitism,

(45:56):
it deals with issues of race. The music is absolutely beautiful.
It's just a really stirring show that I cannot recommend enough. MICHAELA. Diamond,
who plays Leo Frank's wife Lucille, is also fantastic. It's
just you gotta go see this one. It's really good.

(46:17):
I think a contender for Best Revival, and Ben should
absolutely be up there for Best Actor in a Musical.
I mean, his voice is fucking crazy Bowen. It's like,
we all know he can sing and belt to fucking
high hell, but there's moments where he goes into his
lower register that I was looking over at, like I
saw it with George Severs, Steve Mazoni, and Patrick Rogers

(46:39):
and we were looking at each other like how it's
just like some people just are able to do things
vocally that others are just not. Yeah, it's wild happy
for him. And then finally I saw Camelot on Friday.
It was I think the second performance of Camelot at
the Vivian Beaumont. I'm Lincoln Center and it was a set.

(47:00):
Hipposuit is incredible, Taylor Trench is incredible. This show needs
to cut time out of it, we need it just
is too long. Act one was an hour and forty
five minutes. Yeah, the show started at eight. I did
look down at my watch at the end of Act
one and it was ninety six. So again, they're also
in previews, and I think some attention should be focused

(47:22):
on getting it trimmed up, you know what I mean,
like just getting it to move, just because it really
is long. It's a new book by Aaron Sorkin, which
may have something to do with that. I certainly was
laughing at a lot of it, but I wonder if
we could be getting through it quicker. Sure. And then
I saw Betty Who on Saturday Night and she fucking

(47:43):
ate it up at Hammerstein Ballroom. Incredible performers, dancing choreo
the whole time, vocal sounded amazing. We love you, Betty.
We had an amazing time. And then I want to
go see my sister at Saturday Night Live. So what
a week for me? I think I'm so so happy
that you had this rich week, truly, and it was

(48:05):
exactly what what? What? No? I know I can tell
union some culture, it's really bad. It's really bad right now,
it's dark. If I think too long about it, I
start to really go to a bad place and we
will not get into it any further. But I really
do think that this is exactly what the doctor ordered

(48:26):
for my sister. You have a lot of life to
think about. You have a lot of the world and
history to think about. You have music to think about,
so many things stimulating you, and you are someone who
takes that in and processes it in the best way.
It comes out as something very cogent and thoughtful, and
I always love hearing you talk about it. I know

(48:48):
the readers feel the same way. Well, it's been medicine, yes,
let's just say that. But don't don't worry about because
I'm taking you to Disney World. Oh my god, I'm
so excited. I'm so excited. I need it so badly.
I can't believe that I'm going to get to be
there when you do Rides of the Resistance and This
Guardian's roller coaster for the first time, and that you

(49:10):
and I are both going to do Tron. I'm gonna
be there when you do Tron for the first time
since I've done it already. Oh yeah, you've done it
in China. I've done it in Shanghai. I remember it
like it was yesterday. Yang and I waiting at the
gates of Shanghai Disney before opening. As soon as it opens,
a bum rush of hundreds of people running to the

(49:30):
Tron ride. I've never run faster in my life. Yang
and I bullet to Tron and we were one of
the first people to make it there, and it was
one of the most thrilling experiences of my life. A
perfect coaster. I am so beyond excited because to think
about riding this roller coaster like a damn Tron motorcycle

(49:50):
face first, to have the thing fasten you and press
down on you from the back, hit it from the back,
why don't I Literally, here's the thing. I know it's
the Magic Kingdom, but I'm gonna feel very sexual on
the ride. Your back is going to be arched, cocks out,
you are going to be primeed. It's gonna be sniffies
up in here. We're gonna be ass up, like yeah,

(50:14):
the visuals go inside and outside. Don't forget outside of
trunk because guess what you're going outside for a little bit.
It's so gaging, it's giving. You are going to absolutely
gag for guardians too and rise to the resistance. Forget
it bowing. Oh my god. The way we're about to
get captured and taken to another planet, and then the
way we're about to escape, it's honey, packed the edibles. Honey,

(50:37):
Kylo Wren. I know that one. I know that girl.
I've stared that girl in the face. Literally, Well, she's
coming for you. She's coming. Well guess what I was
cut out of white noise fun fact. Yeah, And mister
driver himself was catching up with me about life, and
I was like, that's Kylo Wren over there. I'm not
scared of him, really, is Kylo? I'm not scared of him.

(50:57):
You know. One of the great phenomenons of twenty twenty
three so far has been everyone rewatching girls, and I am,
oh my god. Literally, it's so crazy now to think
of Adam from Girls as being Kylo rem like to
understand that that was his introduction debut. What catapult to

(51:18):
him into the stratosphere was as the weirdest fuck boy
in Greenpoint and now he's Kylo Ren. The pilot really
does hold up so incredibly well. It does for Hannis
lur first lines to be I'm a growing girl. Perfect.
I know it's like on the nose maybe, but like
actually works perfectly. Actual's stuffing her mouth, eating with her parents.

(51:40):
I'm a growing girl. You eat it like they're going
to take it away from you. Perfect first lines of
that show. And then oh my god, the Beach House
episode Beach House, Yeah, I mean there's a line in
that episode that has often overlooked. It's where um Andrew
Reynolds's boyfriend talking to talking to Hannah yes yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

(52:02):
yes yes, the writer, the writer. But he's like, but
they're they're having a good time. And then he goes, oh,
you remind me so much of my friend Kayla. She's
such a dilettante. I think that's such a funny line.
She is such a like she's so wild, she is
such a dilettante. And then Hannah's reacted Lena giving perfect
perfect response to it, which is like, oh that's so funny,

(52:26):
or like something to that effect, like it's so good,
just that little I mean she could write a fucking
TV show or movie whatever. Yeah. Unfortunately for haters, the
show was actually better now than it was then. Great
like it is because now now it's this weird like
period piece, you know what I mean. Now it's this
weird like time capsule of the twenty tens, and especially

(52:49):
like you know, now being in your thirties watching it,
watching people in their you know, early to mid twenties,
and like the things that really frustrated me and annoyed
me at the time, Now I watch and I'm like, yep,
because you recognize yourself you would say that for attention,
you would do that, you would get into this fight,

(53:11):
you would not be able to stop yourself from doing this.
Like it's just really for someone who was just barely
older than that age, she was able to capture what
it means to be that age from like an all
seeing perspective. That is to be applauded. I mean, it
is a really worthy rewatch, especially if, like you know,

(53:31):
you're someone who's from New York or was living in
New York at that time, or understands the idiosyncrasies of
like Brooklyn and Manhattan. It's just so Yeah, even the
stuff about like Liberal Arts College, you know what I mean,
like all of it. It's just completely when you get
on that attraction in wallet Disney World and see just
how far Adam Driver has come to being an audio

(53:52):
animatronic villain in many scenes of an attraction that is groundbreaking. Bowen,
I'm excited for you. I'm very excited in this when
I'm most excited to do Expedition at First again, It's
been many years since I've done that, really good one
of my favorite rides of all time. Truly, when you
see Miss Thing, it is a gag. When you see

(54:13):
Miss Thing, it is really it is a hairy gag.
It's a hairy, scary gag. And that is a contrary guy,
if you thought you were going to have a bad time.
And the drinks at Nepal, the drinks in and the
Animal Kingdom in that section, delicious drinks, delicious cocktail, Yeah,
they turn all the way up. Honestly, I'm so excited

(54:37):
to go just indulge with my sister. And also I'm
gonna get you on the Velocity Coaster starring b D
starring b D. Bradley Darryl. Oh my god, I'm so
excited though, and you're gonna get your life on that.
I've said this before, I'll say it again. I need
this cannot come soon enough. That is the only thing
that is giving me hope. Otherwise I have been in

(54:57):
a state of learned hopelessness, as therapist calls us learn hopelessness. Yeah,
that is. It's a very severe term. It's I guess
a term that's like more applied to like people in
like really shitty situations. Yes, like an abusive relationship. It's
not quite that. But I am sort of like completely
distorted by work and can only identify through work. And

(55:21):
I know it's like a rom COMI cliche to be
like I'm a workaholic, but I hate it. You saw me,
You saw me on Saturday. The symbolic thing in this
is that like I can't even have a therapy session
without it being interrupted by something work related. Like my

(55:41):
last five therapy sessions have either been canceled because of
a work emergency or during the session something's come up
where it's like, hey, we need you now, And I'm like,
this is indicative of the whole thing, Like designated protected
time where I'm supposed to like examine things. Yeah, are

(56:03):
not respected and feels like it's getting bucked. Yeah. Yeah,
So like I just constantly feel like I have to
like sign and it's you know what, Bowen, I think
you have to like And something I've done is like
i've actually and I'm not saying you haven't done this
or that it's not a lot more difficult for you,

(56:23):
but I draw a hard boundary now, Like I keep
my therapy appointments and I keep them and if something
pops up and they're like, oh, could you potentially do
it now, I just say I have therapy at that time. No,
I cannot move it. And I understand that that might
be more difficult for you because you are a while
an extremely crucial and important part of a machine. You

(56:44):
are a cognitive machine, and I understand that sometimes it
feels like that and it feels like you're being handed
a decision instead of being consulted on a decision. But
your time for your like literal mental workout and your
emotional work out is really fucking important, really fucking important.

(57:05):
And I know that you say that, but I wonder
if you know that and if you could draw a
harder boundary. And I don't say that as like a instructive.
I just I just think it's that important. Yeah. Can
I share the one thing in culture that I am
actually enthused about because I was able to consume it. Yes,

(57:26):
was Kunk on Earth. It is Kunk on Earth. It
is Oh, yes, you were talking about this perfect viewing experience.
Here's why only five episodes, every episode under thirty minutes.
You can watch it in a day. Yes, and it is.
Every joke is landing, every every joke is the stupidest
joke you've ever heard in your life, delivered by Diane Morgan,

(57:50):
who is truly giving you a tort a force in
comedy and in commitment, and in just parodying all these conventions.
In mocumentaries, in series about human history, civilization, anthropology, whatever, Matt,
you will be obsessed. You have to watch this Kunk
on Earth. How do I watch it? How do the

(58:11):
readers watch? The readers can watch it on Netflix. If
you're in the UK, it's on BBC. You might already
know there's there was a series called Kunk on Britain.
This woman named Philomina Kunk, who is a fictional character
played by Diane Morgan, interviews professors experts, asks them of
the stupidest questions you can possibly she doesn't want like

(58:32):
an American history. There's an episode on like American history
after the Industrial Revolution, and she talks about the Civil
War in America, and then she talks about Lincoln, and
then she like sets up like Lincoln's assassination as let
me try to quote it. She goes. Unfortunately for Abraham Lincoln,
only five days after the North declared victory, he suffered
a terrible tragedy by being forced to go to the

(58:52):
theater to watch a play. A kindly gunman put him
out of his misery, but cruelly not until the third act.
So stupid, like she she's delivering it and like I'm
not doing it justice, but she is. Every the way
she's delivering all these things is perfect. You will love
it all, readers. I'm sure readers are already ahead of
beyond this, but Kunk on Earth is wonderful, wonderful, wonderful viewing,

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healing you. I'm gonna watch it and by the next
episode I'll have Kunk on our thoughts because I immediately
respond to the name Philamina Kunk like that. It's It's perfect.
It's just the kind of comedy that like you miss
you know, um, maybe a fun companion piece to like
History of the World Part two, which I'm also excited
to watch. Yes, yes, I'm excited too. I'm in it.

(59:38):
Blink and you miss it, really blink and you truly
miss it. I'm in it. I'm in History of the
World Part two. Oh my god, I love that. I'm
in a scene with Adam Palely. Oh I love I
had a line and I heard that they cut it.
But that's okay. I don't think so, honey, MiLB Brooks,

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speaking of I don't think so, honey. I think it's
time to transition into that segment which Bowen does. You
and I both know is our sixty second segment where
we rant on something in culture that absolutely needs a
pulling down from the perch on which it rests. And
I have something. It is Oscars related, this sort of

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being the Oscars episode of Last Coat twenty twenty three. Okay,
this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as
time starts now, I don't think so, honey. James Cameron
and Tom Cruise not attending the Oscars because they didn't
receive individual nominations for their films they produced that were
nominated for Best Picture. I completely agree with Jimmy Kimmel.
I don't think so, honey, this idea that you're like,

(01:00:43):
go to the theater, go to the theater, go to
the theater, and then on the one night of the
year where it's the biggest night in Hollywood and you're
supposed to celebrate theater, you don't show up because your
ego is butt hurt that you didn't get a nomination.
Fucking God, for a bid, you don't make a top
I've list Tom Cruise for your performance as Tom Cruise

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in Top Gun. Maverick, What exactly did you do to
marry it a nomination over someone like Paul mescal who's
fucking moving and brilliant and also not for nothing but
a new movie star. Doesn't this help the cause? I
guess not, because nothing matters but you, James Cameron. I
believe in the way of Water, and I believe in
the seed Bearer, but I don't believe in your lack

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of attendance at the Academy Awards. It's hypocritical and I
don't think so, honey. And that's one minute, like it's stupid,
And the thing is, you are nominated. James Cameron, you
are a producer on Avatar The Way of Water, so
you're nominated show up. It's just so transparent. And Tom
Cruise as well, a producer of Top Gun Maverick. You
did get a nomination, Like that is how sensitive you are? You?

(01:01:50):
The night is about showing up, literally at the night
is about being there. Yeah, and you're not there and
everyone else is showing up, like tons of people were
there that were snubbed, Like not everyone is gonna win,
like angel La Baskett lost her category. She didn't leave
right afterwards. She could have, you know what I mean,
like give me a fucking break. As also as if
you haven't been like lauded enough, come on, it's just stupid. Yeah,

(01:02:15):
I agree. I agree. And in a world where it
is even a little bit fixed, like you don't think
that your lack of attendance isn't also hurting the movie.
Like I don't know, maybe if Tom Cruise fucking shows
up at the Oscars, maybe like in a world where
like the whole thing is fake, Top Gon Maverick does
win Best Picture, but you wouldn't know and it didn't
happen because you didn't come. But luckily Nicole Kimmen was

(01:02:37):
there giving the performance of a lifetime on the Red carpet.
There's just some sometimes people do certain things and you're like, oh,
that's how a movie start. Acts like a little bit crazy.
I'm gonna send you right after this, someone dubbed the
sounds they thought she may have been making on the
Red carpet, and it's a lot of this m oh oh,

(01:03:00):
I love. It's just so funny because what she's doing
is so insane. Anyway, it's about showing up. You're right,
we can't blame them. We can't blame these people for
looking a little weird, behaving a little weirdly when there
are like a million cameras pointing at them. But I totally,
But I love kind of laughing at people acting weirdly

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in any situation. I love laughing at people acting weirdly.
And but here's the thing. It's not in a coal
that is funny. It's a situation that is funny. And
it's her galvanization and her sense of at homeness on
the Red Carpet, which to me is like, oh yeah,
that's what makes a movie star, that little part of
you that's insane that knows how to do that on

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a red carpet and confidently can do that thing where
you turn around and look over your shoulder and find
the cameras, like on a place where you are not
performing necessarily but posing. It is that meeting of model
and movie star and like award show opportunist that is
perfectly combined in that moment, like you know who else

(01:04:05):
does it? Fucking Zendeia. Zendia hits the carpet and it's
like a performance on the red car performances and she
steps away and then is Zendeia a human? But she
transcends being a human in that moment. And only so
many people can leave their body enough to not just
dissociate on a red carpet, which I know what it's
like to do, and I feel like I've seen you do,

(01:04:26):
and I've definitely seen like Joel Kim do that moment
where you get on the red carpet and you sort
of leave your body to be there for a photo.
These people are like actively being photographed, yeah yeah, and
they are kind of going the opposite way and be
and they are a kind of extra present as in
like yeah, hyper present. Yeah, yes, Bowen Yang do you

(01:04:50):
have an I don't think so, honey. Okay, here is
Bowen Yang's I don't think so, Honeyest time starts now,
I don't think so, honey. The tap water not be
and cold. I need the tap water to be cold
as ice if it's going to go in my water bottle.
If the tap water is tepid, I'm not drinking it.

(01:05:10):
If the tap water is warm, honey, make it a
little hotter so I can drink some tea. But the
only water that it's going down my gullet is ice
cold water. And that is a preference of mine that
I think has done me right, has done me well,

(01:05:30):
has not done any wrong. Yeah, I think I think
the whole world could benefit from drinking ice cold tap water. Fifteen.
And I gotta tell you the UK, or at least
the standard hotel in the UK in London at King's
Cross does not have acceptably cold tap water. And it
means I have to ask room service to send me

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ice so that I can put still water in it.
And that's one minute. And you know what, at least
there's a fix which is ice, which is easy to
get worldwide. But the thing is when the tap water
is a little too warm. And here's the thing. I
know you metabolize it quicker, and therefore you hydrate quicker, don't.
I just prefer cold. I prefer cold, Bow. I prefer cold.

(01:06:14):
I need to feel refreshed. And the only way I
can feel refreshed on a somatic psychosomatic level, my mind
thinks I feel refreshed if it's cold, if my body
registers it as Wow, this is a cold drink that
you would have at any restaurant. I think we need
to take this out. I'm a high note literally, and

(01:06:39):
we do finish every episode with a song. Bow, and
I'm reaching out to you, and I know what you see.
I'm reaching out to you with And we end every
episode with a song. Oh my head, okay, heavens, I

(01:07:00):
was happy holding me me up. But you didn't think
it was a meal. O my god? Whoa mid dwn?
Do you even know the song? Ke me safe one time?

(01:07:20):
One time? Sie fans fuck me in the highest place,
making up words, slay me when you go off king
live me up. I'm looking at my sister Boo Yang, amazing,

(01:07:46):
thank you. I dedicated that one to you. Thank you, girl,
I love you, Love you