"Riding The Brown Line" (w/ Joel Kim Booster)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look mare, Oh, I see you my own look over
there is that culture. Yes, goodness, last cult ding Dong,
last culturistas calling with a big announcement.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh my gosh, we can finally say the sleuths have
been getting their magnifying glasses out, smoking from their little pipes.
Sherlock Holmes.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, we're gonna have to create a new category rears
Katie's publicist, finalist Kyles and Trelock Holms.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
No, we're not. That's enough. Yeah, Kyle's I also want
to just fold into Katie's. Can we just officially fold Kyle's?
We can't do that? And what do you like? Where
I like? Four?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I don't, No, you know what, I can't believe it's
already this acrimonious. You can come in here, you fly
in with your big ideas. You're supposed to run this
by me? Why would Kyles float it? Do you think
I forced the Kyles through? I wouldn't say that you
ran it by my ass on me. Well, anyway, we
can have this discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
But I here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Maybe Kyle should do something to make it so that
they deserve Kyle's.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Y'all better hit us up if you want to be
in the acronym we're talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh, by the way, later on an episode, when don't
we bring our guests in? I want to pitch my
Kyle Richards spinoff. I don't think we need any more
of her on my television. Well I think you might.
You might disagree with me when you hear what I
have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Is it Kyle Richards does tongue twisters and we can't
even understand her more. I lost the big old bit. Well,
I'm just like, I'm just trying to hear. This is
my cousion.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I don't like her when she gets emotional, she does
sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Actually you know what, No, we do need more Kyle
Richard's on TV. When you hear my idea for the spinoff,
you're going to be like, get that girl in her
twisted tongue light on the screens again. I have such
a good idea for her.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Okay speak of Bravo. Yeah, I think it is public now.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
August fifth, The Lost Culture Reece Does Culture Awards will
be on Bravo and streaming on Peacock the next day.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yes, immediately streaming on Peacock. This is gonna be incredible.
We are filming it in LA. We can't say where,
we can't say when yet. All this information is gonna
come out, yes, piece to meal over the next couple
of months. But yes, it's true. I guess in a way,
publicist season has begun.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
This means publicist season has begun. That's why it's a
little bit delayed. Normally we have them in June. Obviously
the timeline is a little bit sort of shifted down.
But your work begins now. Yeah, we can officially say we.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Truly start awards season now, Yes, because that's gonna be
us August fifth, and then the next month probably what
three weeks into the month in September is the Emmys
whatever that is. But we will be first time for
everyone to start talking about people, things, places, happenings that
you think need to be called out and shower out.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Categories will be.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Announced soon and honies following after, and then we're gonna
have a big old show again in LA. We'll say
more about when later, but August fifth, five, big day.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
We have a Culture Award winner here.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, cultural Award winner. I was trying to count how
many times our guest has been on the show. I
think this is like eight or nine, but then that
wasn't including all of the sort of iconic I don't
think so, honey appearances of.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Course, Oh my god, Gauntlet do Gag? How about Wow, remember.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
The Gauntlet Do Gag where our guests famously said, I
don't think so, honey. When you far in, a little
cum comes out in front of my mother, father, and sister,
thus bringing us all closer.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
And he still didn't even win. He should have though, No,
well iconically won yeah, and she is. Yes, Rachel Pegram
did win that Parent Square, But it's like any awards
show where there's the winners and then there's the people
that you rigged.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well, I mean you'd have to take that up with
our judges for that show, which we're Jrinx Onnston in Alaska.
Icons Wow, Wow, The Lost Coach really has remained over
the years.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
It has remained. Real Loss Coach really has.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Remained over the especially real Coach are number four. Coach
really has remained over the years. We'll get to work
on that book soon at some point too. So our
guest is the host of Bravo Speaking of Love Hotel,
which airs on Go Ahead.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
And Say It April twenty seven, eight seventh Central after Atlanta, which,
by the way, Atlanta has been great. I've heard.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I know that we're going to talk a lot about
the happenings and housewives right now. Remember we're recording this,
what is it, April sixteen, so we're about, you know,
some days behind where we are when this comes out.
But we're going to give generalized thoughts. This is airing
the thirtieth. Thank you airing the thirtieth. So listen, everybody.
You know our guest, We love our guests from the
film Fire Island and the television show Loot stand Up

(04:52):
all across America and the world, Australia, Australia, even God.
It's just like cool it, you know what I mean?
Cool it like heading on the Delta must be diamond.
Well I bet it is. Everyone, please your ears, bister.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Million miler. Actually, yes, honey, driven to her connecting flight
on the tarmac on the Porsches.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
You know that is a good perk. But one thing
is like, you better make sure that you don't have
your air pods in or else when they call your
name for that, you're gonna miss it one day.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
No, I just got back from Boston in my little
pod and left my wallet, no at the airport, and
it has ruined my life because boy do I not
have proof of citizenship? WHOA, but in this climate you
need it. Tough tough stuff, tough stuff. So does that
where's your passport? I have a passport. But here's the

(05:49):
thing that is no longer enough. And I have a
provisionary birth certificate that illinoily issued me because Korea can't
find mine. Jesus Korea.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
It's actually a little culture number eight, Jesus Korea.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I was likely stolen, Let's be honest, but honestly, you were.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
You were at the beginning of your life.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Was a Caper's life was a caper starring George Clooney, Yeah,
and j Low.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Imagine if that was out of sight. I've never seen it.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I've never seen it. Wait, so it's what do you
mean it's no longer enough? Well, they I literally got
my real ID with this provisionary birth certificate that Illinois issued,
but that is no longer They need like the real
hard copy of it. Now, come on, what do you
mean now like it in the Yeah, it's because like
back when I got the real ID a couple of
years ago, it was all fine and dandy, and I

(06:45):
did scan my way into getting a replacement real id
by holding my thumb over the provisionary part of the
birth certificate. When I got to the death and they
don't care. The woman in life whatever, I don't think any.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Of that Express Bridge a million miler, but no.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
The thing is is like the woman in line who
checked my documents is like, they won't take this. And
then I got to the desk and of course she
did right, she didn't. She doesn't care about her job.
She has no loyalty to the DMB.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
It makes me feel so sad when people so obviously
don't care about what they do like or like or
or they're so checked out and hate what they do
so much. And I just walk away from people like that,
and I'm like, God, they have to sit there and do.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
That all day? How do we how do we bring
joy to the world?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
You would rather they be.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
River Vermier's character in.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yes, I think the funniest moment in anything, the funniest
moment of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yesli Barnea. That was so fucking that is like, where
was the no Viola Davis in doubt level no coming
in and.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
You know this is what I keep saying.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
And now that we're out of Oscar season, no one
can really take offense because it's all over.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I have to say.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
The category fraud was worse than ever this year.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
It's so bad.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
We need rules to change the way this is because
how can we honor the River ramirez is of the
world and how can we keep honoring the Viola Davises
of the world?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Who mind you?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I will remind you the reason we have Viola Davis
is because she got an Oscar nomination exctly fourteen second.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Performing Ariana Grande versus River Ramirez period period until they
change it, Like are they gonna change it?

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Then Oscar is gonna go gender free because it's they.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Who has those so far, the Indian Spirits have.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
They have it, The Gothams have it, I believe, like
a lot of the critics things have it. But not
all the Golden globes don't. Critics' choice does it?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, well, the wave has begun and we are restarting
the wave here. We're rippling it here.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Like you know what I think would be fun if
it's like everyone shows up to the Oscars and no
one knows who it's just it's a surprise. Five people
get oscars and it's a total surprise. It's totally random.
You've said this before and I love it. It's like, Okay,
we're gonna announce one winner.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Have I told you about the production of Year in
Time that my college did my senior year before we graduated.
Now where they they put up the cast list. It
was just a list of names and we were all
no cast, no characters. Okay. Everyone was very confused. And
then we find come to find out that they will
all be wearing black. I'll be wearing masks, and I'll
be playing every part, and every night will be different

(09:29):
wause they will pass the ball quote unquote mid song
or mid line, mid scene. This is your years old.
It was one of the worst things I have. I
was higher life because it's like, I just want to
see that one bitch you can hit the note writing
privileged to pee. I just want to see that one
bit you actually can hit the note. Yes, he was
set up to fail by being born with a male voice.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, we all were. It's actually a little coature number thirty.
We were all set up to fail by born.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
With a male voice. A map voice is a curse
a voice? Who cares what we can sing about? Oh
my god, it's real. Yeah, so that sounds like your
production of the Oscars honestly, But I'm not even behind
the differend. No, I am. I love behind this.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I'm like, I don't know how to fix it, but
it needs to be fixed. I did have a whole
like rubric with how they could do the lead in
supporting things. But then I'm just like, I don't know ultimately,
who cares?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Right? Where are you finding the time to sit down
at Google sheet and break there? So you've known me
what over ten years? You know? You know, I just
sit here and talk. Where am I finding the time?
I thought here and now I don't know? But no,
I am genuinely curious about the same thing of like
what is your in the day, Like when do you

(10:42):
find the time to watch videos about universal studios, to
watch videos about to want to read prognosticators? Like you
you do have a really wonderful palette in terms of
your media, you'd but we all three of us sitting
here know that acting is ninety percent sitting around drinking liquah. Yeah,
and so like we're at your I'm sure you're in niche.

(11:04):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
And to answer your question and probably actually start a
conversation about what are specific things that we go online for,
I have one. I only have like three or four
little hot online hobbies. And to be honest with you,
ever since I was a very young gay kid, going
online and looking what was getting, like the oscar buzz
and finding out what was happening in the film industry

(11:26):
was always one of them. So now that I'm like
in the business, it's it's directly aligns with what my
online interests always were. And the same is true of
like me being on roller coaster Tycoon when I was
a little kid and like wanting to know what was
going on in that industry. So that's still one of
my niche interests. But it's like literally real housewives, like, yeah,
what's going on in the theme park industry and what's

(11:48):
going on in the entertainment industry and when awards season
kicks up, that really is in high gear. But those
are my things, and I'm curious, like what your guys's
things are.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I especially after this Japan trip, I am like and
I and you you guys have known this about me,
but it's it is specifically Final Fantasy game. And I
am all I've been doing on this press store where
I'm this way. I just finish press for running Banquet,
and what I've been doing in between is just playing
this fucking game, being a botanist, going around the woods,

(12:18):
collecting tree bark and collecting plants. Are you? Are we
talking Rebirth No? Seven? Rebirth absolutely one of the best,
one of the best Final Boss sequences ever.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
But I'm talking about the MMO Final Fantasy fourteen.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Oh are you? I'm still in that MMO world. I'm
ten years into this fucking game. I love this game
so some of the best storytelling period in any medium.
I am Jonathan Bailey voicing a little cat boy. I've
always I've always hyped up Jonathan Bailey's performance as Grahatia,
and I've even told him on the study the Seat
of Wicked, I said, I just have to tell after.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
He complimented to me is a lyric from Africa.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
It'shatia over my good fucking But first of all, you
don't know then I think it will be the niche
culture of people of gamers who are going to die.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
The fact that you have made a lost culture moment
out of singing the name Grahatiya.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I just want to say, I sang Grahatia to a
Lady Gaga and I think ruined that.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
No, no, no, We'll just tray clean it.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
And I love this. It's a really good name. This
is like it's like only l a that weight just
feel it? Did you feel it? So this type of fabric,
this is.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Just that that that that'll that'll do you guys. Sorry, but
this is all going in the episode. It's because this
is a very real human moment of sisters being by
me and there for me and supporting me when I
ruined my Todd Slider tanks.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I can only want to know a l anyway, I
just want to take well, I I complimented on the
set of Jonathan Bili's performance a Graha Tea after he
was so cond inffusive about Fire Island. Yeah, so anyway,
it just I just that felt like the proper exchange. Okay, Joel,
what are your Internet? I mean mine right now is

(14:10):
literally YouTube essays about movie projects that never happened.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Be Kin rewind kind of wine, Henry Wine is one
of them.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Boats and Blockbusters is the one that I'm really into
and and quite frankly, hours and hours and hours of
Marvel Rivals. Oh really, I am playing so deep into
Marvel Rivals and watching YouTube videos. All that do in
my trailer is watch YouTube videos about Marvel Rivals. Explain
because I have not did my tone in Marvel warl

(14:40):
it is it's overwatched. But with marvels and I never
played Overwatch. I never played any of these kinds of
games before, because it seems like I need a game
that has an end point, otherwise it will happen. What
what has happened to me with Marvel Rivals, which is
I have consumed I've played over two hundred hours of
this game since December. The last four large arguments that
I have gotten in it's my fiance about this game.

(15:05):
What are the arguments that are well, just me get
him hilted, like fly, like getting in a losing streak
and wanting and like getting so angry, and he's like,
you can't this is a game. And then and then you're.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Not having a sports team and yelling at and your
wife JM being like I can't live like that?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Are you exactly? And he and it's so ironic because
he's he loves he's a video game producer. Yeah, I
don't know you understands. He understands, but like, and he's
wanted me to get into games. You know, we've played
games together a lot, but like this kind of game
for a minute, and then I did, and it's turned
into something quite Yes, the slope was slippery or then
you thought, can I ask not to reveal too much

(15:45):
about Jam? Well not people know this about j. Would
it be different if you played Legal Legends? No, okay,
because because Jam is associated, Yes, he wors it, right,
but like I don't think he definitely doesn't care what
it is, Yeah, what it is? Okay.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
He probably thinks it's beautiful the game you love?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, no, he I mean he plays himself too, but
like that's the problem. Is like we're directly playing this game,
and he is so much better in video games than
I am. And it's this first time where I'm like
we've never we we never compete, but like there is
like you get ranked in this game. Oh that and
your ranking it's like do I It's like I cannot

(16:24):
stand that he is a higher ranked than me? How
much higher? Like a fair amount? Like it's gotten to
the point where we can't play together because he's he's
in a different tier. He's in a different tier than
I don't understand why how professional athletes are friends with
each other, because that is a thing, a system where
you are. There was a value system literally at least

(16:46):
at least it's an objective standard. I mean, the fact
that we're all still friends, quite frankly, is ridiculous. If
there was a numerical system that ranked.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
As though they do, I mean they do, but publishing
it currently as we speak, no, but that's that's not real.
I always know where I stand when there's an announcement
about the podcast and it's like Chapel Roane was on
Bowen Yank's podcast Culture. I always remember that I'm like

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down here in fifty four and we're sitting here with.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Three and three is a chasm away from two.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Okay, let's talk about it then. Who's one and two
right now?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
I think Jonathan's probably one, and I would say number
two is is McKellen, Matt Bomer, Andrews, Andrews gott Gott
Oh for sure.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Three.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Famous, I'm not three. Let's speak very weekly.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
You don't have, you don't have the third most viral
moment from the fucking Academy Awards. Yeah, let's not three
three and that. Yeah, and let's talk about your performance
in the Wedding.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Wait, if you haven't seen seen the Wedding bank ut twice.
It's so good. It's it's fantastic. It's in theaters, it's
in theaters and key crushes. Yeah, it's so good. It's
a great passing of the ball. I mean, it's you know,
we're talking here, my friends are being sweetheart angels and
that that's weird.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
But no, Bone, you're so incredible in it everybody, and
like you're literally next to fucking Lily Gladstone. And can
I tell you I told her this at the premier
the other night. I took her hands in mind and
I said, we know you can act, mama, but I
did not know you could make me laugh, Like yeah,
I did not know you could land the joke. And
that's a riot games right, there's a riot. She is

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a riot.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
She gives her like a sweet, soulful performance. I love
Kelly Murray Tramp.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Kelly Mury tranp will I hope, I hope that this
is like her Phoenix rising Reavers. I love yeah, because
the way these fucking geeks and nerds and losers and
in cells treated that woman. Oh yeah during STARp and
the infrastructure of Disney and Star Wars not protecting. And

(19:07):
what I find to be the perfect sort of inversion
of that is that she felt that she was given
time and space to come out as queer. Like she
did this Vanity Fair interview and she like kind of
in it, like kind of blurted out that she was
like excited to make a movie as a queer person.
This a queer movie as a queer person. She's like, wait, oh,
I've never told anyone that before Publicly, They the journalist

(19:27):
David Canfield Bless and the producers of the movie were like,
we're going to hold the story until you decide what
you want to do with this. And then she came out,
made that decision and then has felt nothing but love
and support ever since. And I'm like, that is the
perfect panacea to that crazy, crazy experience of Star Wars,
which I'm like, now it just seems like it's not

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quaint in retrospect at all. That is, it's still it
still remains crazy to me in terms of that scale
and that outreach. But I'm like we've all kind of
experienced that here in some degree too, where I'm like, God,
what is and this is the thing that that's the
thing that Matt has said. It's like it's bad. The
culture is bad because the political climate sucks, and therefore
people exercise any kind of controller will over the culture,

(20:11):
over what they consume. And so I'm like, I'm so
glad Kelly has this moment to come out of that
and be like, Oh, now I know what it's like
to be like held and loved for who I am.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
She's really fantastic in the movie, like and and it's
also like I was I did the Q and A. Well,
there was like a special screening last night. I did
a Q and A with Andrew and the cast. Then
one thing that I was noticing is she's got so
many individual relationships to places really like it's a true ensemble,
but she is the lead.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Andrew is such a fucking wonderful collaborators. He allows every
performer to put so much And I can tell I
just know knowing him and having worked with all of
you two. Like I was watching the movie and I
was like, well that's Bowen. Yeah, that was you know,
and like that like there's a there's a beautiful silent
moment between the Lee Gladstone and that came so great Andrew,

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you know, collaborated with them. This scene that has no dialogue,
that is one of the most beautiful scenes and that
came from them, And like and the fact that Andrew
allows space for that in his films. I mean you
you guys remember Mare Island was just sort of like
there was so.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Much connective tissue there. And one thing I was noticing
is like the theme and like this of polaroid pictures
and family photos. Like my compliment to him that I'll
say now on the podcast, because I feel like I
could walk into the house of the wedding banquet, because
the house where they live is also a character. And
I say that and not an annoying section in the

(21:34):
city is like the city of the Fifth Woman way,
which is what I just mean, Like the house is
this like beautiful landmark, but it's more than that. I
feel like I could walk into that house and know
where everything is. Yeah, And I feel like as a director,
his sense of place and his sense of like community
within an environment is so strong, and he's so he's

(21:56):
so gifted at creating atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Can I say, though, Matt, Unfortunately, like intent doesn't always
relate to impact. So you're saying you're not you're saying
it not to be annoying, does it? But unfortunately we
get to the side was it annoying or not? No? Personally,

(22:21):
can I say to you that I had a really
emotional moment when I went to the premiere and the
big poster was on the screen and it was the
first time I'd ever seen from the director of Fire Island. Yeah,
I feels like I was like, oh, that that is
kind of forever for a sect, well at least like
it's still alive in that way, and there's like, I
don't know, a legacy now like our our movies, our

(22:42):
sisters like yeah, but it's that It's that that quote
in the studio and that pile of the studio that
Catherine O'Hara says, where it's like, if you make a
great movie, it's great forever.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, you know what I mean, That's that's the beauty
of film.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
And let me I'm gonna say this and I don't
care we're masturbating. I don't care that we're resting, but
like somebody posted a photo of a bootleg DVD that
they had created a Fire Island, and I reposted it
and everyone thought I was mad about them. No, baby,
please bootleg the film. Okay, I need physical media. Yeah,
we actually do need physical I'm like the way it's

(23:21):
living on streaming and like at the whims of Disney
and whatever tax breaks they might be looking for at
any given moment. Yeap, it is so scary to be that.
I'm like, I need you all to disseminate the like
it would be currency in the New world.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Do you know what I actually did, like, not not recently,
but not a long time ago, like someone I hadn't
even thought about it. I love that for you in
a while, but I was like, you know what, it's
been like a couple of years since I've watched it.
Let me just like watch it. I was with a
couple of friends. Now you can't even watch it. You
have to buy it on iTunes, you can't stream it.
They did write it off as a tax that's crazy,

(24:00):
and you can't watch it anywhere. They did such great
work and then it gets written off like a fucking
tax right off. And then all the time now in
the era of streaming, which I guess we thought we
really had it good there for a while because we did.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I mean, Netflix, thank you so much for completely changing
the contours of our entire industry for the worst in
many ways, and also please buy my shit.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's like it's like, I guess if it hadn't been them,
it would have been something.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
It's like that's that's I guess. The thing is, it's
like that's the way the industry was going to change.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
What I was thinking about the other day was the
quibi of it all, Like quibi like failed so spectacularly,
Like we we both had shows like like launch with it,
but the idea wasn't wrong.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
No, because listen, my boyfriend works for a Chinese own
company and has meetings with China over there all the time,
and and TikTok and China is much different than TikTok
over here in some ways, because all they're doing is
creating now narrative content that is broken down into five
to ten minute chunks every time a quick bites, and
it's taking off like wildfire in China, and it will

(25:11):
be modeled over here eventually. He was just too early
and I think the pandemic kind of well, the pandemic certainly,
the lack of ability to make stuff viral really was
really what killed it. The lack of that was a
cute I remember.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I remember we had to completely game show, had to
completely rely on like what the social was.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
And I was like, sure, like you don't know what's
taken screenshots of a Honey.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Wasn't even born at the time. There was no ever
ross cats, just stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's how K dramas are too. Apparently, because was saying, fantastic,
She's so huge, fine, huge, fine, like so good, what
a revelation. I know, amazing.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I was saying, like one of my favorite moments of
the whole movie is, well, this is a spoiler, but
there's a moment of like pure ex pure joy and
euphoria that he has towards the end of the movie.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Future legend, so sweet. But he he comes from this
whole pedigree of K dramas where they just it's it's
it's basically a movie. It's like what Fire Island would
have been on Quibbi, but they break it down into
like these like two minute episodes. It's really that is
the future in a Stereotte.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
They were without a like I I genuinely believe that
one of the reasons why we even talk about all
of these things is because there was a piece of
content to launch it, like with Netflix, Like the reason
why they became a prestige streamer was because of House
of Cards and then Orangers the New Box Little and
the reason why.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
We talk about in spacey out the door, Yes.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Oh my god, he's coming in. And then like even HBO,
like the Sopranos and Sex and the City like made HBO.
So it's Quibbi was without a flagship piece of content. Yeah,
because they went for you know, and this is not
even the drag what we were doing, but like stuff

(27:08):
that felt like quick bites.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
No. And the thing is, though, I will say, is
they took big swings. Like no one wanted to buy
Fire Island. No one before it was a completed project
at Quibi, right, no one wanted that, no one would
touch it. Yeah, And there was originally a quick bite yeah,
and then they were the only ones who were really
who really believed in it as a project and like yeah,
so I I oh, jeffre Yatson break by.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
I remember I remember walking from the our games to
the office that Dave and I shared at the at
Jack's over to your office and watching Joel put like
the the index cards up on the board and they
had the Fire Island plot points. Wow, when he was
still creating it as like a ten episode.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
I mean it didn't change much from Quibi by the
Way to us, Like I basically just took out the
act breaks and like squeezed it together and made it
one big long script.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
But yeah, no, it didn't really change. But they would
have made you cast like George Clooney as Conrad.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
No. We I mean we basically had like a full
cast off like Boone was always attached to it, like
I think you probably were, even because we were getting
ready to film.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I remember who my Charlie was. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, so it was like it was like we were
there and then I don't know, it just it all changed.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Okay, wait, because did you now did you see I
fa I think it was like Gay Times or something,
and now it was like talking about the Fire Island sequel.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
I want this he was. He was pushed in the
interview about the sequel, and I think he was forced
to give an answer, and then they of course ran
with it. Yeah, no, I know we've all been sucked
over by had Like I think everyone has been asked
about that. I'm not really that mad about it. But
the thing is, it's like it's just it's not happening.
Let's talk about legally blonde two, honey, let's talk about

(28:57):
three reality.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
First of all, blonde, we we we can we can skip.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
It because now there's going to be another one. Yeah,
is the real Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:07):
No, But it's just like, let's talk about successful comedy sequels,
especially rom com sequels. I think people think they want
to see it, but they don't actually want to see it.
Like I think what I want to do and what
will scratch? That's the rare sequel that approves. But like
I think, like I just want to cast the same

(29:27):
fucking people in the same movie, do Christopher guest and
just have like my okay, so do it and you'll
be hearing from my Oh that's what I had heard.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
No, I mean, listen, I do still think Fire Island
two Provincetown is a funny title, but I mean, but there.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Was that summer we were workshipping a lot of ideas
about how to like, how do how do they like
reintroduce dex Like's character. Yeah, and I also had.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
An idea that me and Thomas's podcast exploded and we
were rich and so that that was kind of a
grifter and dating me for my money my huge podcast.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I can't remember whose idea what it was that we
just cast him as a different character and we're like, it,
doesn't he look like everything guy?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
But Wickham remains in the story that Zay Phillips looks
like every gay guy is crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
He certainly does know. He certainly doesn't. Sweetheart, sweet gonna
be well, no, I shoul you know. But but he's
but there, there's gonna be a little re union, you know.
We we might be working together the other night. I
love such good end, such good ende, so funny, so nice,
and it's so annoying. It's so annoying to look like
that and to be smart and charming and nice and

(30:37):
truly negative creature reader a not not capital R reader
literally literature.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
He was always reading on set. He was always I
remember my images in my image of Zay will always
be I would go come out of my trailer and
we would have like this like bench area where would
always say it and he would be eating his chicken,
drinking a hot coffee and doing the word yeah. And
that was always his.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
And that's who he is on the inside. Ignore what
you're saying on the outside, honey, because that is not him.
That's not that is not him.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
It gets easier when you're around him a long time.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
No, it does, I will say, though, like it is
genuinely like I remember filming our meat cu moment in
the movie and being humiliated. It's like what and what
will happen now he's in la. This has happened three
or four times. It is so infuriating. Will be at
one of these like stupid gay parties and some guy
will like come up Andy, Like We'll be standing in
a clumb next to his ay and he'll introduce himself

(31:32):
and be like, Hi, I'm Joel, and like he'll go
around the line and get get Desayane and be like,
oh my god, you're the guy from Fire Island and
I'm like standing there paid fucking dust and I am
like it is. I was like I fucking made you
and I will brought you into this world. Wait, wait,
let's just speak on this because I experienced this recently

(31:53):
of getting the nerves when you're acting with the hot person.
Oh not that it doesn't, it happens all the time,
but certain people really fuck your shut up. Where I
was like John Ham was hosting us, and now I
was just like huh, like we were playing a couple,
and I was just like, wait, I'm scared, like this
is like this is like I'm this is He's there's

(32:13):
no reason to no reason to feel nervous around him,
just such a wonderful person. But I was just like, wait,
but you're so first of all, you're Don Draper, second
of all, you're so handsome. Third of all, you're so funny,
like like just so many wonderful things about that man,
and sometimes it it knocks me off my center. It
knocks me. For me, I was just and like, trust me,
I've seen what people have said about it, like of
course this guy cast this guy to be like uh no,

(32:36):
to make out with whatever, but like no, you do
think you do take yourself out of it a little bit,
and suddenly those little you're inner saboteur comes knocking behind
and you're like, what are people going to say when
they see this? Right? You know, but it's not even that.
It's just like there's something in the space of acting
with someone where you're just like, oh, I mean I
genuinely thought that way. The reason we cast Conrad is

(32:58):
because Conrad made me get in our chemistry. I was
so flustered because he is such a vibe, like I mean,
a hot man, like on paper just physically pictures, yes,
it reads he's very hot. But then you get with
him and like that close to him, and it's just
like the nerves are like it's crazy because he is

(33:19):
so charismatic and such a vibe and like gravitational feeling distorted.
He's great. I want nothing for the best for all
of you, except for one person I want. No, it
wasn't you. Is this real? No? No, No, Everyone's family.

(33:45):
Everyone's family.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
The chain is alive for birthdays, the chain is alive
for when someone.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Runs in ex Yeah true, I will say. So. We
were briefly evacuated during the La fires. John Michael was like,
we should the night before and I live in an
area that is normally not affected by fires at all,
and he was like, we should pack go bags and
I was like okay, like thinking this is never going
to affect me. I don't need to do this. So
I just packed to go back with my passport and

(34:11):
my uh social Security card, which apparently is not enough. Yeah.
I was gonna ask no and nothing else. And then
the next day I drived San Diego for a gig
and I get the evacuation noticed and he said, don't worry, baby,
I grabbed your go back before we went, and I went,
but did you look inside of it? And he said no,
why would I you need to? And of course this

(34:33):
is this is an impasse that you get to with
your partner where you're like, I'm mad at you, but
I know I have no I have no standing legally
in a court of law. I have no standing. You
told me to pack the bag. I did not pack
any underwear, toiletrees or anything. So he just grabbed an
empty and he just grabbed the empty bag. But what
he did decide in the moment of panic to grab
was the glad Award and the gothmain Ward, oh the Cudestic,

(34:57):
because he was like, he was like, I don't know,
I just like maybe you might want these, like something,
this is so funny. Not any underwear or toothpaste up, sorry,
but like we do sit at home alone and play
the newly went game. Just to practice, because just practice,
because the and the and the real strategy here is

(35:18):
it's not about answering what you really feel. It's about
answering how you think your partner will answer. It's mentalism.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
I was going to say, it's a mentalist.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
There was a mentalist at the screening last night, and
he blew my mind. Anyway, we'll keep talking about.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
This, no irene, no no, no no no wait wait
but no, I was not going to say, because like
he he he knows that if someone asked, what is
Shole's favorite movie?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Obviously that's a ridiculous question, a crazy who has it?
Like if you have a favorite movie? I don't think so, honey,
like grow up. But he knows the answer is my
best friend's wedding. Yeah, answer for him. Ist versus the world.
And so now when.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
You're put in the situation where you have to play
the newlywed game, you know, speaking of being awed, do
you have something?

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Oh yes, I think you have something to ask Chure Awards.
Here's the real announcement for the pod. Here's the real thing.
I was not brought on to promote Love Hotel. I
was not brought on to anything else. I was brought
on for this announcement and this announcement alone after after
years away that these two let's get textile, textile, don't

(36:18):
forget me in the circle Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers
are in. Can we say what we're planning on doing,
not when, not when, but for the for the NOLA,
we're doing joint bachelor parties, separate houses, so smart, separate house,

(36:40):
separate houses, and then we've joined together for one night.
The rest of the time we just get to be
for the last time with our friends before we'd never
see before. You can never sleep with anyone again. I yeah,
I know, I'm really excited. You know, we're not finding
out what the other person is wearing to the wedding

(37:01):
until the day of Well that's beautiful. And what's happening
is my stylist is coordinating that we don't look insane
and then also coordinating with whatever you guys, cause it's
sort of going to be like a free free for all,
like un he will just like I will send you
like color palette and just like live within that world.

(37:24):
But like, yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna be precious
about like everyone where everyone thank you, because my my
big ripe, biggest scripe with weddings is there's such a
single use fashion right to it.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's like a wardship. It's like, oh, what do you mean,
I can only wear this once?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
You know, thank you for so we can like go
from our own you can pull from the closets. Are
you thinking? I don't know yet he wants me to
do the mood board because it's I kind of wanted
to be like, well, obviously like he's gonna probably wear
white and I'll probably wear black because I and the
boy and he's a girl, but I I do sort
of and this was this actually came to mind watching

(38:02):
your film, is I would love to reference situational Korean
wedding wedding outfit, but like not not the full giche,
but like some embroidery, it's something that's something that is
like a reference to that because I do want to
have that in my way, you know. Yeah. So that's
sort of where I'm at right now, and we'll see what.
I have no idea what that boy is planning for it,

(38:25):
but again I will becoming in a traditional HM box
hand bo I say it wrong, No, no, it's you
said it. You said a great you say everything perfectly.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
I think I would slay them.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yes, gosh. But you know, Kim, she at the premiere,
I got to tell her to her face, is like,
your ball challenge is still absolutely your football challenge is legendary,
still one of the best. Drag Race.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Premiere slation, Diva slation, the premiere she's making, let's jo up.
I have to say, I didn't watch this last season.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
We can talk about it. It feels less urgent to
watch it, I would agree, and yet also more in
a weird way. Well, the ratings keeps, you know, it's
feeling more and more distant for me. I mean I
still watch it live when I can, when I have
the chance, but it is like it does feel less
like urgent like I used to be, like if I
am not there seeing it like in that moment, like

(39:26):
I am offline, I am not, you know, like so
scared of spoilers, and now it just doesn't feel it
doesn't feel honestly quite as much for us. Do you
want to know why?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
It's because here's what it was for for us, and
this is why we really loved it. Obviously, the queens
were incredible and they were all like aspirational and older
than us and smarter, Like it felt like they were
funnier and smarter than us. Not to say the girls
aren't giving now, but we're literally older than everyone watching
the k And also another thing is we were watching
at it at a time when it was very community

(39:57):
building for us, you.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Know what I mean, at a gay bar, got older
and and the show is just unfortunately, like I'm really
excited for people to discover the show in the later
seasons because unfortunately, I think what has happened is that
you see these queens and they're they're all very talented.
And this is not to take away, but it has
become sort of like, oh, that's your that's Jinks. Yes,

(40:19):
that's just New Jinks. Yeah, that's just her, And that's
like giving someone and that's like, that's why Simon actually
is my favorite of the New Reason I would agree
Simone feels like she created a new arch lane archetype
for herself and and that and I don't know that
any of the other Reason winners have quite done that

(40:40):
in quite a direct way. They're all wonderful. I love them.
A huge Anympia fan, huge Willow fan. Yeah, like all
of the amazing but that's not to take away from that,
but like, let's be honest. When we went to drag Con,
drag race is for and this is not a pejorative,
no drag races for Katie's.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I thought you were gonna say kids, no, no, no, And
I will say, like it did become like it.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
It was interesting because now I'm like, now with everything
changing again, I'm like, because I remember we were at
the DragCon promoting Fire Island and there were so many children,
and now it's like they're really trying to divorce drag
and you know, queer identity at all from like exposure
to kids or whatever. And I'm like, how can you

(41:24):
not say this is a positive thing, even if me
as like a true faggot who like misses when there
was lube commercials on logo watching drag Race, you know,
I do miss that like rawness of it and the
aspirational quality of what they were doing in terms of
like I'm entering into the queer community and learning so
much about this. I still was there and I'm like,
you know what, these kids are empowered to be anything

(41:47):
they want to be, and there was nothing weird about it.
There was something ugly about it. There was nothing sexual
about it, which is what they're trying to like make
it all seem like it's like a grooming center, and
it's like it was nothing to do with that. It
was only empowering. Even if I felt like, oh, it's
for kids now and straight people now, it's still felt like, well,
we won in the fact that like this is mainstream culture.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
And to say like it's not urgent watching for like
the three of us, it's not to say that it's
not an urgently like no one is happier than trump
On than Paul Charles, Okay, because the show it has
made the show so important, so so important and just
you know, allegedly, but it is it is sort of

(42:31):
like I don't want to talk about the state of
the world really on this, Let's keep it light, but
like it does make this show. You watch these shows
and we're so disensitized to it because we've so we've like.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Been lucky to have seen it, to see it exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
But like, you know, it's exciting that this is this
continues to skyrocket and will continue to be an outlet
for these kids. But the other thing that makes it
hard to watch sometimes is that it drastically altered the
landscape of what dragon the real Yeah, and it created
an entire cottage industry that did not exist right, right,

(43:06):
that did not exist for drag queens before. The model
of what a working drag queen now looks like is
so different from what it looked like back, you know,
even ten to fifteen years ago.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
But that's even changed back in the last couple of years,
as like spaces close, as like laws start getting put
into place.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
The show is very important, and I'm I have enjoyed
the hell out of this season actually, Like I just
remember Alyssa and Tatiana lip syncing and watching that live
in a gay bar, like and the people reacting like
you could just it was so utter joy y, you know,
and like I just I enjoy getting together with my
friends and watching it is a very nice communal Friday ritual.

(43:42):
But it just like I feel ten thousand years old totally.
I mean, it's the reason why like Survivors development cycle,
and it's the way that has aged over time. Is well,
they're facing a very similar problem in that the contestants
now are so aware of the meta totally the world
outside of they're so concerned about what the narrative is

(44:03):
going to be. Yeah, and they know the game so
well that they and actually all credit to queens like
Corey King, who said in an interview she worded everything
in those confessionals so that they would have to use her. Oh,
was like, I know, the real winner of this show

(44:25):
is who wins the confessional queen of the season. And
to be honest, Corey was like fourth or fifth out,
but one of the most memorable queens and has had
such a like I think was number one on cameo
for a while like afterwards and has like become like
sort of like the winner of the season game. So yeah,
she's and she knew going in how to do that,

(44:45):
and I all credit to her, all like love and
power to her. But it is also like it makes
it less about the show about the show, I don't know,
it's just like if it's like a different game than
it was when when you know what I was gonna

(45:06):
say about Survivor though, is that like that can age
in a way that like somewhat linear, like more people
like discover the show and retroactively get into it. But
it's like no one was ever really going to bars
to like meet up with their friends to watch Survivor necessarily,
which is.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Weird because you know what, now, actually they are. We
didn't even go to Top tonight to watch it. They
have a great watch party that I do every week.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
And what I'm saying, like with Root, with drag Race
starting out like that and now with that dissipating as
people get older, as people don't go out as much,
with COVID whatever, like yeah, all these reasons, it's like
it has lost some of that binding agent. And that's
and that's not the show's fault.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
But Survivor is funny because like, Survivor is huge with
nerds and gaze, Yeah, nerds and Gaze, and that is
who was reflected in the casting too, and gay nerds
like and I can't sometimes I get lost watching it
because these people know the game so well.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It's so they have to throw eight million twists into
every episode.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
And you if you don't watch it with your full brain,
you you missed.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
It can't be ambient.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
It can't be a drags can be ambient, which I appreciate.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, I mean the way I will
put on I've watched certain seasons of Drag Race, like
dozens of times probably at this point because it is
just like.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Season eight, season nine.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Seas, you know, like the All Star season is also
really exciting, I mean really excited about this insane Survivor
esque all Star season that's about to come out.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Wait, what is that?

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I'm not sure of Dragers, I don't I'm not sure
how much has been announced, but it's eighteen queens. And
I will say that the format, from what I have
read the scuttle online is is that the format might
mirror a certain other reality.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Okay, did you see Bob the Drag Queen was like
All Stars for losers? Damn yeah, Bob the Drag Queen.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
But like Bob is one of the few winners or
queens from that franchise who can get away with saying that.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
You're sort of like, yeah, okay, you know what though
all Stars is for losers? Like is something a drag
queen should be saying?

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Total total and it is like or one of the
last winners who will say like whatever the whatever the
fuck on that podcast, you know, because I just had
a realization moment getting off Twitter, and like part of
it was the reason I got off Twitter was I
was hacked by the Russians en it was away from
my account for four days and to pay a lot
of money to a lawyer to get in contact with
Twitter to get my account back, and then I deleted

(47:32):
immediately because I kept a little note of all the
things I would tweet if I had access to my account.
And then I read it back after four days and
I said, none of this is using, none of this
is none of this is That's incredible that you did this.
I was like, I don't need to say this about
Ashley Tisdale, Like why would I say, Why would I
say she said nothing? She's an innocent person. And I

(47:53):
now have like it's just like your perspective really does shift,
Like it's so crazy, like I am answering, I am
not in the I try not to be in the comments.
After years of doing this, you we all struggle with this,
I know. But because the thing is is I know
all six reasons why people hate me now and no
one says, no one says anything different. It's all in

(48:14):
the same six buckets.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Actually, yeah, there is between it's it's it's it's a.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Short list, and it's God blessed them, No one says
anything new. I'm like, there's no new reasons to take
me yet except the new string that I am seeing
on some of my videos that come out, like on
podcasts such as this is people being like, his work
looks crazy? Why is he getting all this plas they've
gotten botox yet? Bitch? Okay, I'm pushing forty with Rose

(48:45):
giving filler that one I asked the seventh bucket now
is that I see I've been seeing that like happen
and I'm sort of like, huh, I guess you think
that that's a function of time. I think I don't know.
I think it's it's this weird. I think it's a
weird it feels like counter and two like it. It
doesn't feel like these both can be true. But I
think it's because I both look older but don't look

(49:08):
as old as I look, and that those two things
combined have caused people like what confused people because I
do look very much the same as I did ten
years ago. I'm just saying that it's like the hair.
Probably it throws there's one thing about framing the face
that throws people off, and they're like, well, he's gotten
work done. It's literally the hair growing out and getting permed.
It looks amazing. I wanted to come in here and
talk about like fucking white lotus, and I'm like, oh,

(49:30):
that's a distant talk about white lotus. You know, I
do want to talk about white lotus a little bit
and say I think that My take on season three
is that it is a lot of really captivating, wonderful
moments that did not coalesce into so you were not
ultimately at the season. I enjoyed my experience on a

(49:50):
Sunday to Sunday basis of watching each of those episodes,
But did I come away thinking like that it all
came together at the end, like as like something meaning
I don't know that I can say that, like I enjoyed.
I really thought it was high quality performances really on
an episode to episode basis, very good writing and good
great moments. But the only thing I'm going to take

(50:10):
away from that finale is Cary Kuon's monologue. Yes, the
only thing.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I think, so, I think see, I was so I'm
a huge fan of season three, Like I loved pretty
much every single thing about it. And I feel like
the Walton Goggins and Amy lou Wood storyline.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Like to me it was. It was also so.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Personally gratifying because I was like, I was watching it
and I sat there and I was like, you can't
save broken people. They have to save themselves. They have
to work on themselves. It doesn't matter matter how much
you love them.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
The reason I think I will remember Carry Kuon's monologue
and you will remember that is because that is so
what you have lived and like what you a lesson
you have learned in your own life. What do you
mean like that, I mean broken people? Yes, right, you know,
like that is a lesson that you have learned the
hard way in many ways and you've connected, you know.
And the Carrie Kuon monolog where she says like she

(51:04):
has and listen, I do not think that we are
as toxic as those three women were ultimately thinking about
us as that. No, but I did have this moment
because like we've talked about, let's get raw and real
again his sisters, when I asked you to be in
my wedding party, like we are we are dear like
besties down and we will and I asked you to
be in my wedding party because I know you will

(51:24):
be in my life for the rest of my goddamn life.
But we're also fucking busy. You live in two different
cities practically most of the time. You are the busiest
man in Hollywood. I'm very busy. Like we don't get
to do these things. And like it's so funny when
people talk about, like why I haven't been back on
the pod, right, they assume as to be, But it's
honestly because like when we do get to hang out,

(51:45):
we don't want to do this, but we only hit
so much time to see each other. We don't want
to come in and do this when we do it.
And but I when I asked you to be in
my wedding party, I said, I know that, Like we
aren't seeing each other like every week like we used to,
and we aren't, like you know, able to go on
like all the trips that we used to go on
and all these things. But like when I think about

(52:06):
the people in my life that matter to me, it's
not necessarily like maybe the people that come to my
house every fri it's it's it's you guys. And like
that monologue really resonated because it really does have meaning.
And like I think that that is like for me,
it's like being in a relationship and like getting older,

(52:26):
like both of those things combined. Like I really you
recognize that because you really do have to be intentional
about maintaining friendships when you are in a relationship, like yeah,
and and and it's so hard to do because I
am living and about to marry my best friend, you know,
and so like I think like a lot of the
things I used to like need from friendships are being provided.

(52:50):
But like it's it's a trick. It's a trick though,
because like I don't like we've we've also like been
like we need to hang out with our friends without
each other, like the you know, like we don't have
to do everything.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Does that happened more? And it has happened more?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yeah, yeah, Like I you know, like we like I
was just talking to Jared the other day, who shout
out I'll announce Jared's also in the wedding, But like
I was like, he was like, you and James should
come over, and I was like, or I could just
come yeah, yea, because that might like that might be nice.
You know. It is interesting.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
It's like because it's all about like all of a
sudden because life goes it does go by quick. Yeah,
And then I feel like, what was so great about
that episode and the arc that the three of them
are going through was they will leave that vacation and
they'll probably remember two things, the traumatic shooting that they
survived and the fact that they were able to have

(53:46):
a great last dinner yea yeah, And they won't even
remember Valentine. They won't remember the pibitchy little comments. They
won't remember that one of them was a little bit
more drunk. They'll remember like this piece of it, and
they'll remember how their relationship like got better and now
has this like memorable like trauma bond moment again. And

(54:08):
that's when life goes by like that. And then she's saying, like,
you look at your choices. It's because it's the people
that have been there for a really long time that
you can see in different stages of your life. And
then you can say, wow, like I have made choices
to be this person who I'm sitting here right now,
and now I'm sitting with two other people who are

(54:28):
also have gone through the same amount of time and
the same amount of development, but in a different way,
like here you are about to get married. You know
what I mean, Like you have a certain type of
career which is like you know, keeps you busy and
is in the stratus for all the time, and sometimes
like you would think like maybe a third person in
that would look at both those things and be like,

(54:48):
I'm the carry coon, but we all are carrying feeling
like the carry coon.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
You know what I mean, Michelle, I'm Leslie and your
Carrie well, I mean Leslie.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
No, I well I now switched and you spend the
most time in Austin.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, it's true. And I smiled, and you would rob
the closest to independent. He certainly hates the Democrats. Oh yeah,
I guess that's the headline the Democrats. No, but I
mean like it's I was.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
It was actually I can't remember the last time I
spontaneously burst out in tears.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I actually can.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
It was when he Wa Kwan was in everything ever
all at once, when he was saying you have to
be kind, like please be kind, I like spontaneously burst
out in tears. But I was watching Kerry couldn't give
that monologue, and I just I burst into tears because
I was just like, it's true. As you get older,
like it's not about like what haven't I don't or

(55:56):
what don't I have? It's like very hard to get
to a point where you're like, you know, the things
I've done are enough, Like I've tried, you know, to
develop myself. Like it's gone this way in a positive way,
this way in a negative way, whatever that it all
comes out in the wash anyway when you're still here.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
My mirror this season is thinking, he who is your father?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
At the end? I love yeah, when we got to
see a little bite of her as a young which
is real footnic. I mean. Also like the thing about
him being the dad though, I was like, I said
that the minute he said the story that his mom
told him to Amy Lou, I was like, oh, well
that guy is going to be your dad's the dad,

(56:45):
like and they cast him very well.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I will say that that part. I was like this
week said we did see coming from a mile away,
And you know what, I think would have even been
a better reveal a monkey with a gun because because
because here I want monkey with gun. Here's what I
was thinking the whole time. How did Walton Goggins's character
afford that vacation? What if it was revealed like he's
been a trust fun baby his entire life, and actually
he isn't this badass. He's just like this like sort

(57:07):
of spoiled, like straight guy who's like the kind of
guy who's like, I'm gonna wear like a funky scarf.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I've been worried about a lot of the shit that
I've said on this podcast so far, but this is
like I don't really care, but like this is why
he needs a writer's room, because this is one of
my biggest problems with the storyline is I don't know
who that man is.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
I do not know who that we could have gotten
to a very funny thing, which is, where the fuck
did you think you've got all your money from?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Like your dad is the owner of this? Put it
up on the board. Put it up on the board.
It needs to be an index car.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Just how because literally, how did that couple afford that vacation?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
It's it And that's the thing is like it's not
super important, but it would have been nice.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
But you know what, Justification always makes things better. I
feel like that is true in writing, Like justifications always
make jokes funnier if you can get there, and justification
always makes like, if you can strengthen it, I think
it's always better than.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
And that's why I think, like for me too, like
it's the fact that like the first two seasons were
what they were, and even the third season was as
strong as it was, is a miracle that he did
this by himself, that he has that in it to
do by himself. Because but I think, like the seams
that we're now seeing and the disconnect that we're feeling
with the third season is because like I don't think

(58:22):
that one man can continue to play with the same
ideas over and over and over again and create something
that is going to feel as meaningful as the first. Yes,
there are limits to Autertia, Yeah, that we need to
come to. I don't disagree that that because he's not
reinventing the show every season.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
He's yeah, no, well, I actually kind of like that
about it.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Though.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I kind of like that the formula, like the formula
for me, like really works, and I do think that
there's been drastically different like things that have been said
by both by all three of the seasons. I will
say though, just out of principle, there should be a
writer's rum on a show like that, that's what we're saying,
just out of principle, because it is it is one
of the last ways you can like appre this great

(59:01):
writers and like you know what I mean, like get
people started in the industry and this this has nothing
to do with how talented and how brilliant I think
he is, because ultimately, let's be real, all the creators
and show runners rewrite all these episodes anyway.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Honestly, that would be a huge win for the entire Yes,
can I say I hate it from the beginning? Monkey
has the gun?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I advocate, I was a big advocate laughing, I'm not laughing.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I don't think it's funny.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I don't think it's funny to think about the monkey
with the gun at all.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I didn't think it was going to be.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
It was pretty straightforward, see I.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
But but for me, it's just like when I saw
Amy Lou would unable to run away from the toxic
man who was going to get who was gonna it
was gonna end badly for her. I was like, I've
been her totally, and this is an important story.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Those are y'all's mirrors for sure. Yes, And you are
a famous actress who Asian wres who married a wealthy
that wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Really your mirror, that that was your actual mirror. I
was gonna say my mirror was I am I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Is that it's also fun to not have a mirror
in the seities. Let's see. I am gonna say, I'm
still thinking about Aubrey and season two and see that.
But that's not that's not that's not it. That's not
an answer to the question I I don't I probably
don't have one for I mean, but but like, but
that just goes to the show. There's different things being
reflected in each of the in each of the seasons.

(01:00:32):
I think that, yeah, I don't know, her character was fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
You know. My I've been pressuring my therapist into watching
White Lotus because she's never watched it. I went in
today and she's like, I'm halfway through season two. I
fucking love it. Oh, she was like season one was amazing.
I'm like, it was like, put some respect on season.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
One one's great, it's great. Well, and that can I
just say. I don't want to beat up Mike went
too much, because again I love his work. Enlightened is
one of my favorite shows of all time. He's brilliant.
We can talk about all this because he's brilliant. Yeah,
because he's brilliant. But like, there was very little like
with the staff this season. Yeah, this was the least
amount of story, of impactful story that we got about

(01:01:10):
the staff this Well, I might what was the storyline
so the manager the Lisa? Can I say anything with Lisa?

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
I think the reason why the Lisa thing feels weird
is because they did not even expect anywhere near.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
A star at her level to want that part. And
when she wanted that part, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Think part of his hesitance was like, but the character
does it is not consequential enough to justify her.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
But then she was so good and really wanted to
do it, what are they going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Say no?

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
I mean her acting is so srounded great, she.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Just and ultimately I remember we were all like, and
there's gonna be something with Lisa because there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Has to be. Why would you cast Beyonce in a
show right not have her be like a centerpiece of
the finality? And I think that probably was something that
was on his mind during casting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
It's like, well, should the role be more? I don't
want to just make it more and change whole thing
because it's her. But if she wants to do it
and she's good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
You didn't. Did you find any mirrors in the family?
Are you a Lachlan at all? I might be, I
might be a Piper. I might someone that's interesting, someone
who wants to like individualize, and then realizes that like
they are not going to go to such lengths to
like like they have found themselves in the act of

(01:02:27):
trying to find themselves in a different way, and then
they swing back the other direction, like this is not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Who you also would rather die than be poor exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I loved her storyline as well, and when she was
giving that monologue about like she was great by the way,
great vibes she interviewed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
She was my interview on Today Show when I co hosted.
Oh really, such a cute vibe. Yes, she's adorable and
she's talented and a trained opera singer. Wow. Yeah at
Sunny Purchase.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Anyway, let's touch on housewives. Oh I want to pitch
my Housewives? Yeah, start, we'll start there. We'll start there
with the granular.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Here's the show and this is literally consider this a pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Bravo.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
We're now in business, and Kyle goes to Aspen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Kyle starts her life over as a lesbian of the Woods,
Kyle of the Woods, The the the The poster for
the show is Kyle in her huge chemo sabi hat
looking at the camera in the back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
The Woods.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Kyle starts over as a lover of same sex in
Aspen where she wants to live. I'm sorry, she bes
Beverly Hills. We start the show over. It's her, It's
maybe a couple of her friends that come in. It's
more like people visit from Beverly Hills to come see her,
come in and out, and we see Kyle's new life

(01:03:52):
in Aspen as a queer woman.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I will say my only note, my only adjustment if
I'm the executive sitting across the table, is I always say,
we already have a winter landscape, and that is that
is doing quite well. You know what I would maybe suggest,
if you want woods, maybe Pacific Northwest. Say that maybe
where she wants to live, maybe Seattle.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
And also I would say the fact that Saltlake City
works as a reason to do it. Interesting, how about
this Kyle of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
The Mountains, Kyle of the Woods, Like j T tried
to be. I like Kyle of the Woods. I like
Kyle of the Woods. Is this Kyle the Wood sounds
like a dangerous plant you shouldn't eat? Right, Oh honey,
that's Kyle of the Woods. Kyle of the Wood. Don't
touch that, Kyle out of your mouth? Is this modeled
because I'm not watching the Denise Show? Is this kind
of like the Denise Show? I like the show was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
The way that they live their life is so crazy?
But yeah, I guess it is. I mean, I maybe
it doesn't have to be an ongoing thing. I just
think maybe like eight episodes of Kyle living in Aspen,
like exploring this new part of her personality. Because I
don't think this is my kind of hot take about
Beverly Hills. It's not there yet for a reboot, but

(01:05:03):
I don't think we're far away, right, I don't think
we're far away at all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
It's getting the self production on Beverly Hills, I think
is the worst of any of the franchises.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Yeah, they're also afraid to say or do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, it's just it's so like, I really like talk
about something that didn't coalesce in anything, Like I'm so
sorry Mike Waite. I meant to say that take that
note away from White loas'll apply it to Beverly. Yeah,
because by the end of that reunion, I was exhausted
and I wanted to walk out like Garcala, so like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Sudden going to Garcel's room and Garcela not being there
and just be like she's gone, and like like that
being the way that their friendship ended. Like well, I
don't know, how do you guys feel about the Garcela
of at all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I didn't watch this, I didn't watch the part. I'm
only I will say I'm only halfway through the third part,
and again didn't feel urgent to finish in the same
way that some of these other shows are. Right now,
I think that. And I just actually presented an award
with Garcel met her in real life so warm. So
she's been on the show. She's a star star. I

(01:06:04):
don't think she has it in her to be a housewive.
I don't think she ever liked it. I don't think
because she when the when the guns were pointed in
her direction, handle it. It's not I don't even think
that she couldn't handle it. It's she didn't want to
do it. Like she didn't, like she doesn't want to
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
She went a really long time, I guess, five seasons
without ever being the person in the hot seat.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
And like kind of far down on the couch always.
And also not for nothing, but for something that I knew.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
When she was saying in the beginning of the season
that she was positing the theory that the Dury the
Dey robbery was staged. I'm like, you're gonna have to
deal with say stand by that you will have to
stand by, and I mean she did, but she hated
that they had a problem with it, and it's like, well,
of course they're going to have a problem with it,
like and then and then you can't walk your way
out of the insinuation you're making.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
You're very baldly making the insinuation, and lots of people did,
and so like Santando's down, like you know, I but
like I just don't know that she like she thinks
in that way she has she and clearly doesn't need
it in the same way. And that's not the difference.
That's the difference is that I think like she was
working really hard at the beginning, maybe because like it

(01:07:17):
did kind of reignite a lot of things for her,
but all those other women. I mean, the reason de
read is is showing up right now, and then her
lover hate is because she needs the check. And Garcella,
one thing you can say about her right now is
she's leaving not needing the check. She is making lifetime movies.
Good for fucking her, you know, like she doesn't need it.
And I think, like you could feel that, and I

(01:07:39):
want them hungry and desperate and needing it, right. I mean,
sutten unwatchable Kyle.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
I as you know my feelings on Kyle Erica.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
He'll make over the fact that Erica came for garcel
for not being interesting. In Erica's one storyline this season
was redoing her fucking living room. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
I liked bos. I mean I thought that was like
definitely livened things up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I think, yeah, no, she's she's uh gonna be a
major player for a while. You know, I don't know,
it just it just felt icky, felt ikey, I don't
believe that they're friends.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
And the and the and the Kathy sort of runaway moment.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
I was like, that is we've really let we've Unfortunately,
I think we've fed the goose too much. Yeah, with Kathy,
the future of the entire Housewives empire lies in one
woman and one woman alone, and that woman's name is
Stacy Rush. But still, I can we go back? Can

(01:08:42):
we go back for a second. I actually believe that
the relationship was not real, But I do believe that
what she said to him was this will be really
good for you your business, and then he extrapolated from
there that she was paying him to be on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
You're gonna trust Tim over her.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
He's clearly we've seen him on the show like it
is like it is. To take his word for anything
is actually quite exactly. I believe Stacy more than t J.
I believe that she's not telling the full story, but
that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
She's like with I think that one has some like
I love her. He's got love blinders on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
I got tip blinders on. She's got the most amazing Famously,
her boobs are perfect. When you were saying the future
of the franchise, I really thought you were going to
say one word and one word alone, and that is Smia.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
I mean, you haven't started. I haven't started really good.
So Atlanta has been because so Kenya.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Moore just exited herself.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, and it's been really I think it's been a
really really compelling.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Really works and the thing is great on the show,
And I worry. I don't want to see a between
her and she. Yeah, and I fear that it's like
it's definitely happening. But like Mia starts the season like
she is the center. She's in the center with a
star and I didn't know she had And what I

(01:10:13):
have since learned is that they have been that Bravo
has known all along what that she has got the
juice in that peach, but her husband wouldn't let her
be more until now because I think he did not
understand how powerful the show was until now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I honestly, it really is surprising because the first episode,
the first scenes of the first episode are.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
All Shamia's amazing home, like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
She's multi talented, she's got like this very full family,
this big, full life like and it's just she's obviously
great on camera.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
She gets it's like the way that they started fights
but ended of them at the right und.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
She's beautiful, she got fashion, very connected to everyone already.
It's like so surprising that they tried this with Marlowe
before Shmiah, but I guess yeah, Shamia had like an extenuating.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Circum Yeah, because yeah, it's just she's Yeah, I love it.
I Porch's doing great, love Angela, love Kelly. Yeah, I
like Kelly a lot. And and again, like the thing
is is that, like ken you really it's so frustrating
because Britt is not for the show. You know, I
don't know, I can't. I agree with you. The thing

(01:11:29):
is is like the threatening her with the gun is
and like if we didn't if we didn't know what
ken if we didn't know what was coming with Kenya,
the entire audience would have been like, would have been
behind Kenya. But then Kenya takes it to such an
extreme level that is unforgivable.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Yeah, like you, you just can't get past it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
But also it's like it's like the look in her
eyes when she was doing it, I was like, oh no,
you gotta deal with stuff like this is this is
so many other dark thing and can.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I say too, like the big difference between a lot
of what what Kenya did and say, like for instance,
Porsche physically assaulting Kenya at the reunion and still coming here,
I guess still being on the show. Is that what
with Porsche? That was like a heat of the moment,
in the moment thing that she immediate immediate remorse. Yeah,
it was not premeditating, Kenya. The thing was fully she
had to print, she had to go to fucking Kinko's. Yeah,

(01:12:23):
and print revenge porn.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
She went out of her way.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Okay, so we should also say it is not revenge
porn because it was.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Not legally not legally speaking, but we should be porn
that was being used for shame and revenge. But I
want to protect us legally. Yeah. Yeah, I'm Sunny Houston. Yeah,
and legal.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Kenya would see you lost coat.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I don't put anything past anyone. Yeah, you're right, it's
true because.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
You put do you put things past people?

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Never, You've never been one to suffer fools. I don't
put anything past y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
That's your housewives tackling. I don't put anything past anyone except.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
This.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
This is mine. This is mine. I don't suffer fools,
but I do suffer joint pain. Not suffer from suffer
joint pain. Here's mine.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
I'm back on the East Coast and I'm doing the
most Oh that's actually rhyme.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Okay, ind go ahead. I don't know because I have
my like, my go to one, but I don't want
to do that one. I do want to do a
new one. And it's like, I'm from Chicago, so you know,
I know how to ride the brown line, you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Know, Oh my god, brown line as a euphemism for gays,
like riding the brown line is time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
About I'm a powerful woman in this scenario. So you
don't know what it means.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Right, It means you're taking it means you're a powerful
woman taking it in the butt.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
But what if never mind, Yeah, we'll leave it at
brown line. Writing the brown line can mean topping. It
is verse vocabulary. Yeah, sure, but one would know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
You know, he's coming out as all sorts of things. Bisexual. No,
I'm saying this bisexual. I'm kinsy five, maybe four point five.
But Matt is kind of twisting them into thinking that
I'm a top, which I never have identified.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
I think it will be fabulous for you to try it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
You've topped, I've topped. Yeah, I just don't. I don't
wear that as an identity in a way that I
think it's meaningful. Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean,
he doesn't watch gay porn and see a mirror of
himself in the top. No, it's always the mottom. Honestly,
although I'm back in my I'm back back in the

(01:14:47):
game in the case. By the way, getting subscribers to
It's an iconic Angel Search for the Next l woods
really still I get I get notifications every now and
then it is still available on patreoon?

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Is it actually still available on Patrio?

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Search for the Next l was like I forgot until
I just was listening to the other day that Patty
Harrison herself wrote the theme Thank God for COVID. There's
the God for COVID that Patty to do and we
had nothing to do better than to make this podcast.
And Patty was free enough and the only time she'll

(01:15:25):
ever be free again to write the theme song for
our podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Wait, so, if we're still getting subscribers to that made
you made it that the scandal would be that we've
accrued like thousands of dollars that we step is going
to charity.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
It's now free. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Still on the Great podcast Segments, A cousin of.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
The Week was good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Okay, let's do Ahusband of the Week he still references
in general.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Cousin of the Week was It was a segment on
Matt and Joel and Joel on the Search of the
Next album was where we said which of the girls
was cousin of the week, who was giving the most energy?
I have one, who's your cousin of the Again, this
is all going to be dated, but my cousin of
the week is congratulations on your opening sister, Hailey stein Yeah, yeah,
she's because of the week, because of that flame dress. Yeah,

(01:16:12):
and we won't say why. Yeah, but that dress is cousin.
This is a Hailey Steinfeld stand positive queen. I believe
she's the queen of pop. I do need her to
release more music.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Capital lists I will jam.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
First of all, don't even get me started on he
Wants to Go? Which is that song? But also but
there's what's the uh hell Knows?

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
And headphones y.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I love that where she's at the party slush shaming people.
I love that. Oh she is not for the Bumblebee movie,
the Transformer spin off Bumblebee called which is actually excellent.
Really I need Yeah, it's like Bumblebee bumble Bee remember
eighteen excellent? Watch it on a plane and you'll get
your life love it. Okay, it's small, it's a small

(01:16:59):
it's a character piece. And Haley carries always does all right. Yeah,
my cousin of the week is Meghan Fay Hate and Drop.
She because now my cousins have kids and they love
their kids so much. And Meghan fay Hee and Drop
was so determined to save her child. And if you
haven't seen Drop, it's really really good. You know you

(01:17:20):
would love it. Do you want to know why? It's
because it's just like Red Eye? Oh that is Does
someone else said that to me today?

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Yeah, it's really fun. Jeffrey's self is great in it.
Meghan's amazing, like she should be movie star down.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Meghan being spiritually linked to Rachel McAdams feels so correct.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Yes, And at the time Rachel McAdams was my cousin
of the week. Here's a go, and so I would
say cousin of the week. And also because I do
feel we could play cousins. My cousin of the week
is Megan fay Hate and Drop. Who's your cousin of
the week.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
My cousin of the week is I did not really
see a moment of this, but it just just I
felt the cousin energy was Addison Ray showing up at
the Argust at Coachella. I was like, I love that
for her. Yeah, she's always going to be a cousin
you know, Yeah, she gives cousin in that. Like I'm
always like, she's got stuff going on. I don't know

(01:18:10):
about it exactly. You know her of course, you know
when I see the updates scroll on by, But like,
I don't know what she's going I don't know what
she's going on. My cousin Addison is doing things what
they are I couldn't tell you, Oh, she shot a
music video in Paris. But if you know exactly what
your cousins are doing right now, grow I don't know

(01:18:31):
what they're doing. But I will say, pep who are
close to their cousins, that could be and I don't
think so, honey for me. Oh frankly, you know who.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Else kind of was giving cousin when she came out
weight Weekend one by the Way, the Charlie set a
Weekend one of Coachella was Billy, Troy and Lord All
came out, which was only bested by Megan The Stallion set,
which saw Victoria Mone Queen Latifa and Sierra.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
They did goodies, good luck looking at that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
She finally stage that she spoke of. But Lord was
kind of given cousin energy. Oh that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Lord kind of gives cousin And you're one of Lord's
Vegas fans.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
I will say that, like, especially she announced her new single.
I saw that. I saw that so excited it would
probably be out by the time it's called. What was that? Yeah,
I can't know that way. Oh my god, you know,
I love that sentence.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
I get text from Lord. Look, Lord, because I signed
up for the mailing list. I love looking down on
my phone and saying that, Lord, Lord texted you my
new song.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
What was that? Out soon?

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Wendy William, Oh my god, look, and there's single art.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
She gave cousin energy and that she was finally for
the first time in a while, she was the elder
cousin in that in that lineup of people. Yes, she
was the elder. He was the elder cousin, and like,
you know, it's like that thing where it's like, yeah,
it's just like because she for so long was the
youngest in the entire family, and now that we're a

(01:20:09):
little bit older, We're like, welcome, welcome, Yeah, welcome in. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Well, by the way, I just pre saved what was
that on Spotify? It's probably out by now. Let me
put this out. But I'm really excited. I need we
need a powerful Lord era, absolutely, and I was gonna
say we have needed a huge song and pop that
ends with the word that not.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
I still think about the impact of why did you
do that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
I can't stop thinking about it. The one of the
titles of Joel's episodes, ye to me. How have our
thoughts on Stars Born sort of developed since that episode?

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Hmmm? I think the movie's even better. It's even better.
I'm sorry to say that. After Gaga hosted, I was like,
I need to fucking dig into this bitch once again. Yeah,
so good, And I just the first twenty minutes of
that fucking movie. The whole movie is take the Garden
of It took me. It took me to the Garden beat.
And I mean, she's so damn good, so good. Like

(01:21:05):
I forgot about the moment where they're at the bar
at the beginning. She was like, I'm here with Jackson Mane,
like I don't know what's going on, Like like the
way she right of like, I don't even know what's
going on right now. I'm like, that's so sweet. We
love Gaga, Love Gaga. Okay, what about you Stars Warn't
you know? I haven't revisited. I just talked about it
recently though, because I was talking about how she's so

(01:21:28):
wasted in Joker too, Like why cast her in that role?
And why do why do bad singing?

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Why why cast lady to be a bad singer? Like
it doesn't correct, Like it seems like such a waste.
Like Gaga is a as a singular entity, will forever
be iconic as a musician, as a pop star, as
a as a as a person of the culture, and
as an actress. But I do think after seeing The Penguin,
you could selet Christine Chris Kristin Mili into any role

(01:21:57):
that Gaga has ever done. It would be, oh my
you are except for Starsborn, except for Starsbourn, except of course.
But wow, I know she was. I know you're close
personal friends now.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
No, no, no, but you just want Kristin Mili to
work more. We all want that. I just think she
is so brilliant. You guys just not wat I watched Okay, well,
she's amazing. But I mean I came on here and said,
sang the praises.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
That is the way you in this world where we
cannot sell anything that is not connected to an existing
I p like, that's the way you do it is
you sneak in like women's that the Penguin is not
a story about the penguin. It is about women stories.
Women's stories matter. They wrapped up women's stories in a
fucking Penguin piece of cheap to these boys that didn't

(01:22:54):
know what was about to hit. And Colin was amazing
and Colin and yes, no, and that's not to discount
colins performance, it is incredible as well. But like I
was so impressed with that show because you could have
never you could not know what Batman is and enjoyed
as And in fact, I had to convince many people
who were like, I don't want to watch a Batman show,

(01:23:16):
and it's not a Batman shows, it's a show about women. Yeah.
But can I say Gaga would have been great in Penguin?
She would have she would have No, No, it's true,
I maybe not better is that? Maybe that's not the
verbiage I want to say, But like I do think
that like you're seated for either of them. Of Christian Yes,

(01:23:40):
that's I think what I mean I wanted. I want
House of Gucci too, with Lady.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Like I can't get enough of I can't get enough
of House you know, you know best of the answer
House of Gucci.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Salmahayak.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Salahi will do the goofiest ship.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
She will.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
She is down to clown like I'm ready to do.
I don't think so honey.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
This is I don't think so mony. This is where
we take one minute to go off on something in culture.
Matt has something. He is ready and rearing to go.
This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many time starts.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Now, I don't think so honey. Not enough utilization of
the icon Salma Hayak in media across television, film.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
I would love to hear the album.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
We need salamahaiks Pino's debut album, by the way, House
of Gucci. We needed the lesbian scene with Lady Gaga
and Salamahayak. A'm saying and now, in the year of
War twenty twenty five, we needed that. I don't think
so honey that we didn't get it and they shot
it where's the deleted scenes? Bring back DVDs? That's another topic. Yeah,
I don't think so, honey. The Marvel movie they tried

(01:24:50):
to do with all of them, and they kill Samahayaka
right away.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Eternals, No, I guess not.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
I guess very very temporary.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
That set of eternal And I don't think so, honey,
that we talk about Salama Hyak in this casual way
you should be bowing down to Salma Hyak has impact
that we're not even understanding or recognizing, and we need
to change that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
I don't think so hard. And that's one minute, just
a little like astisk to you. I don't think so, honey.
Is that like? I don't think so, honey. Marvel changing
the line reading in the original trailer for the Eternals,
you can clearly hear Samahayak say and we've tired it.
I think we've talked about this on the pod before
Theos with you know, and she says it like that,

(01:25:36):
and then we go and watch the film. We sit
down for the film. Me and my life partner go
down and sit for this film, excited to hear the line,
and they changed it. They changed it to thanos. They
made her go back. They made her go back into
the ad R booth and say, Thanos, I've got some
I've got it. I don't think so honey, let's go this.

(01:25:57):
This is I was gonna do it, I think, But
I'm like, I got nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
This is Bowen yangs. I don't think Sowanny his time
starts now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
I don't think so many eightyr and this is coming
from an eightyr legend. I slay the ADR booth because
guess what I'm doing. I'm matching tone, I'm matching acoustics,
I'm matching lip flaps. But sometimes it doesn't need to happen.
Sometimes we stumble on our words and sometimes the audience
doesn't have to understand us. Sometimes you can just cut around.

(01:26:24):
You lose the whole damn line EIGHTR. Sometimes I don't
mind it, but sometimes they count you in and they
sink it in wrong. Sometimes it's just sometimes it's humiliating.
You see, I don't want to see my fuck ups
up close. And maybe it's okay to sit with that.
Maybe it's okay to not go back in the booth because.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
You know what, I like Sandra Bullock Rumbull with five seconds.
I'm not gonna voiceover in general, and ADR is my
one safe space. But now I'm ready to let that
go because I don't think it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
And that's one minute.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
I also, I've never notice it exactly every single time,
and I I'll go into do ADR and I'll be like,
I'll see what the issue is and I'll be like,
so I think it's better to do obvious ADR over this.
It's something about the post process that I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
And when eight R is obviously it drives me. Sometimes
it's necessarily you get moments like Dans.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
You get, first of all, who's to say it's not
actually pronounced yeah, a different gaalxy American that they did
that well, it is like I think that they saw
because there was like a little bit of it was
a little viral for that reason, and I think that
they were like, this is a serious film, Okay, that

(01:27:49):
is ridiculous. First of all, here's what here's my question
do we think And this is my question to you
someone who's seen Eternals. Was her performance in the moment
where she said tanos like so stunning that they felt
like they had to use the tono's take, And maybe
she said Danos eight other times, but they just didn't
like those takes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
I don't know, gives a brilliant I mean comedic. I
think is Sama is like independently wealthy in a way
that like she the reason we don't see Salma is
because Salma does not want to be seen, doesn't need
to need to work. Yeah, yeah, she She picks and
chooses the weirdest things, like that Black Mirror episode she did. Oh,
I love that. It's so incredible. It's so incredible, But
like you, I'm sitting there watching it and I'm like,

(01:28:31):
how did they get her? How do they get her?
I think it's an opposite thing. I don't think people
go to her enough.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
And people just assume that she's comfortable. Yeah, I think people.
I think people should roll the dice more on Salma.
I think filmmakers need to shoot their shot with Salma more.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
She is, like she's so willing to do big like
big take, big comedic swings, big character choices like lastar
nominated actress. Yeah forget incredible, incredible, thirty rock legendary, like
one of the best of all time guest stars, reoccurring
guest stars on that show. Huh. And she was one

(01:29:08):
of the best press and almost I would say all
of his girlfriends stuntcasted girlfriends on that show. Falco. There
was another one.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
There was.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Elizabeth Banks Yeah, and then Lachlan's mom Emily right, yes, yes, yes, bones,
Avian Bones, yes yes bones. I just want to say,
I know this is cheating, but like I have been
here in a while. The other two I didn't think
so honeys that were going to do other than one
is a I don't think so many people who text

(01:29:42):
their email address or phone number in this not in
a separate text to make it easily copy and pastes.
That is texting etiquette. One O one. As far as
i'm do not send me your email addressor phone number
in the body of a large block of texts so
that I cannot get to it and I have to

(01:30:03):
do my instagram dms. Instagram ms are especially are hard,
you know, and it's just like I I cannot stand it.
I was like, now I have to I have to
do this manual. You've changed my behavior, Thank you, thank you.
And the other one was people who say, wow, that
really made me laugh the group chat, because you are
upending the entire ecosystem of haha, l o l ha.

(01:30:26):
You've now you've now downgraded. No, now it's an impact.
You've really pulled the curtain. And I'm seeing like, oh
with that that pithy thing that I said, that got
four haha reacts on the chain. How do you feel
about this?

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
How do you feel about these two words? Actual law?

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
You've broken this the illusion? I say, actual law. It's
and the thing is, what does law mean? What does
lam does mean? Should this episode be called actual law?

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
What? What about this? I'm laughing? I love, I love,
I'm laughing. I'm laughing. It's like all of it though,
it's just sort of like, oh, that took me out?
Did it take you out? Did it really? That took
me out? I'm laughing? Is general use, so many use

(01:31:17):
cases for it. If you're actually lolling, say it applies
if you're just lolling, you know, for for etiquette purposes. Great,
I'm laughing is the way I'm laughing. You, I promise
you I really am. Like if I say I'm laughing,
I promise you I really am. Haha emoji or haha
whatever reaction thing. I can't promise that I'm haha.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
I can promise that I I can wrap that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
I did think it's fun. Yeah, it's an intellectual exercise.
The haha react.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Yeah that made me laugh. I don't like I'm laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
I'm laughing. Yeah, Wow, that really made me laugh. Fuck
you Yeah. And I of course I have actual law.
I have friends who do real grin RG. No, I'm
so sorry they're fans friends anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
They're God what about Ball, Well, it's still it's like going.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
It's the cycles are moving too fast, Like we had
Chucky for just a brief moment and now he was.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Never Hubs is apparently the new one Hubs Hubs.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
It's it's it's how you refer how Jen Alpha is
referring apparently to people that they have crushes on, and
correct me if I'm wrong. I believe it's it's yeah,
it is associated with that word. But I this is
this is direct intel from Maya Rudolf about her fourteen
year old I see so like it could just be

(01:32:43):
whatever in l A. I haven't done the research or
you know, I haven't asked Edgeball. I really are people
are people?

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
He does I'm doing it. Wow, I just burst out.
I just burst out laughing. Well, I mean, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
The same sort of over the top like nonsense as
rolling on the floor. Sorry, get off the floor, off
off the floor, rolling around filthy. Okay, now I'm ready
to Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
So after two I don't think so honeys here's Joel's
real I don't think so honey. This is Joe Kimbushers.
I don't think so honey. As times us now, I
don't think so honey. Singing competition shows. I'm talking about you,
American Idol. Guess what, American Idol. You did it on
the first try. You found her.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Okay, hang it up. We don't need you anymore. We
do not need the voice, We do not need X factor,
We do not need America's got talent, two fine singers
for us anymore, because guess what, there is no monoculture.
There is no monoculture, and your gig, your little playbook,
only works if everybody's watching, and no one is watching anymore,
not all of America. Okay, there are two many questionions.

(01:33:55):
These are professional karaoke competition shows with a cash prize
at the end, and that's okay, that's okay. Sell them
on that, promise them a career. Do not promise them
that the stars, because many of them will not be stars.
They will end up as the third replacement on Broadway
of a B tier musical. Okay, it's job a BET
tier musical. I guess I don't want to take away

(01:34:16):
jobs from people. But I'm just saying, let's frame what
you are appropriately, and that is a karaoke companies to
show with the prize cash prize.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
And that's one minute. Okay, Edge, I just stood up clapping.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Edge. Edge suck, Edge suck. But I would like to
say for the reg and I told you this before
the record, I am watching, I'm still watching, I'm watching
American Idol, I'm watching the Voice. I'm watching it all happen.
Amazing talented people come through there. But the fact of
the matter is is that no one is famous anymore.
It is like so crazy it makes me honest, it

(01:34:53):
makes me laugh when people, as an insult, are like
I don't even know who this person is, and it's
like no one else there is not there is not
one person, there are not There are very few people,
I should say, right that everybody knows. Yeah, like it
just doesn't exist. And in a world where that doesn't exist,
and it's so fractured that like, you can't you couldn't

(01:35:14):
create another Kelly Clarkson, right, you couldn't, like and the
reason why, like it did, it was successful up until
a certain point through you know, we got Fantasia, we
got Carrie, we got Jennifer Hudson, et cetera, Clay, but
like that was still back when we were talking at
the Water Schooler about television and there's just no monoculture anymore,
and that only you could only create a stars like that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
But when there is a monocle, you know what's funny
is like, who technically is an American Id'll find is
Benson Boom.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Yeah, I found that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
The only reason he's as famous as he is is
because he quit abruptly. So he he was on American Idol.
He gave this insane audition, like this amazing audition, and
Katy Perry was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Literally like, do you want to win this show? You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
If that's what you want, you can win the show.
And then he like made it to I guess like
the live rounds or whatever, and then was abruptly gone.
I think because someone got in his head and was like, yo,
if you want a real career.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Don't stays to the live shows, do not. Yeah that
that that happened recently with another contestant, a young girl
who was giving like a Taylor Swift, like the Air Apparent,
and like by the time she made it to the lives,
she was out because of the contracts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's one other thing that is a problem with
this is that like you're locking these people into things

(01:36:35):
that like maybe not necessarily help them. Yeah, do you
listen to this podcast? I watch it? I listened to it.
Was do you watch I listened to it. There's a
lot of holes in your story already. I listened to
it when it for me, it's a touchdown for me
and my friends. Okay, I don't listen to it when
it's stars. You don't listen to it when it's starts.

(01:36:56):
I don't listen to it. Listen to the Gaga episode.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
I have listened to the Gaga app so obviously, so
there's lots of holes, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
And I listened to the Kelly I listen. I guess
for me, I was did the Kelly corson I was
what two years ago? The thing was, I listened when
there's stars that I know matter to YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
M So did you listen to that dropped?

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
That dropped today? I watched her. I don't think so,
honey collapse to her as a scholar of the form,
I think it was a fantastic I don't think she
did great.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
Yeah, and you did great, and you did great, and
I did great today everybody did. This was a wonderful
return to form.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
I was gonna say, people will harald this as a
return to form. We're back, Yeah, I mean, like, listen,
I've listened to the Cold episode.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Nineteen times, white, No, no, no, the recent one.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Yeah, the Reason Friends, I literally we said we were
trapped in a burning Man exit line for about eight
hours and we only had the podcasts that were already
downloaded on our phones to listen to. We went back
and listened to it again.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
I forget about that as a thing people can do,
Like people can have favorite episodes of a podcast. Is sweet,
Like I we have that, Like we listened to that one.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Yeah, we revisit Meg's episode constantly. That was what I
got to buy your car? Yeah, yeah, we visited I
Feel like people a new classic in the Gabby Windy episode.
That one is great too. But like I think like
it makes me sad sometimes because I want to be
tactile with my sisters. I want to be I want

(01:38:35):
to want to be in the room. You want to
be in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
You want to be with you want to be just
had her on my podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
She was amazing. She's just great great. That was really good.
And again I did listen to that one too, But
it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
It's lots of holes and maybe that's the title of
that lots of holes. No, but we have we have
actual lull. We have lots of holes, and we have
riding on the brown line. Maybe right on the brown line.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
That feels the best, Joel, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Well, what else would feel the most sol is to
plug his project.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Oh yeah, so you can listen to Bad Days that
comes out every Monday. I think I want to say
every Monday, uh or Tuesday. Somebody comes out every it
comes out on a weekly basis. Matt's been on. I
haven't gotten bone yet, I haven't landed my wife. You
can watch Love Hotel every Sunday at eight Central, following
Real Hoss Atlanta on Bravo, not on anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Wait seven Central, but following Atlanta, I might have gotten around.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Maybe it's or maybe I got maybe it's not following Atlanta.
Maybe it's lead into Atlanta. It's just on Sundays. But
it's just on Sunday. It's got to be following it.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
But if I'm programming Bravo, I'm putting it on after it. Yeah,
so catch that. The show is fucking fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
It is. I want to see. It's going to be.
Really it's very different from anything that they've ever tried
to do. I think it's you know, obviously I'm biased,
but I think it's it's it's a compelling watch and
you'll see these ladies in a very different light from
their respectives.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
And wait, it's it's Shannon, gizl Ashley and them. Okay,
so I like one of them some of the people.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
I like one of them. The thing is, you'll get
your life watch you. It will take you out. Yeah,
and you'll be on the floor because I'm laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Matter watching it's writing the Brown line, period period.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Unless we'll discuss, and then let's discuss. I want I
want to support my sister writing on the Brown line.
What else? And then yeah, I guess like loot will
be out later this year, and other things to be
continued to be continued.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
We and every episode with a big old song.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
I'm sorry I forgot about this.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Oh lots of holes.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
The stars aprightly shine.

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
The it is the day, the night I've got You
made it your own, carry under what everyone by.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Last.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Culturacis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players
Inheart Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yek,
Executive produced by Anna Hasnier and

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
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