"The Protagonist" (w/ Heather Gay)

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
You my own and look over there is that the
culture yess wow.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Loves culture ding dun't culture cult calling.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
You really spaced out your your syllables there, you know
I'm really thinking about the sounds I'm making and being
so intentional about them because I'm actually reporting to you
live from.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Grand Rapids, Michigan. Let's go. I'm in the home state
of one Henriko Perski and we are what rehearsing for
the Christmas in disbrator and celebrating Thanksgiving. You know, there
are some celebrations there definitely is breaking of bread.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh, my favorite thing to break, well, one of the
best things you can break, to be honest, Well, the
thing that you break and people are happy that it's broken.
And that's a role of culture. Number sixty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, bread, bread, that's the thing that you break and
people are happy that it's broken because everyone's going to
be full. The best thing to be outside of happy
parentheses generally, yes, I want to check in with my girl,
happy parentheses.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Generally, I couldn't be happy.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
She ate that. Yeah, let's talk about Wicked for Good,
a film in which you star. Fifth Billing. I said,
let's get the sagnam.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Let me demystify some things for everybody. So the way
Billing works with these things is not at all commendate
with someone's involvement. Important disagree hard disagree. It is a
it is a thing that are the wonderful brokers, the
people behind the scenes with these deals, and these contracts

(02:39):
work out on your behalf trust and believe. I was
not out here fighting for billing over my incredible co
co starts who inarguably do incredible, more important, more emotionally
resonant work in this film. Let's just let's just leave
that there. And I'm sorry if that pisses people off.
It's not my fault. It's just how the bits works. Okay,

(03:03):
Can I say something? Can I say something here? Can
I offer something back?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I can confidently say you were my fifth favorite thing
about the movie, So I'm fifth bills.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
But MICHELLEO and Jeff Goldloom are whatever, like seventh and eighth, right, Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Everyone knows about the with and the and the W
and the end are only given to people of great
esteeme like there. But basically, if you are and blank,
what they're saying is thank you for deigning to do this. Yes,
no matter what movie you're in, if you are in
the and Jeff Goldbloom in this case, spot it means
thank you king, thank you kidding. It's actually different culture

(03:39):
speak for thank you kidding, your name means thank you
kidding or and there's something very powerful about if it's
your name on the credit, and then what follows is
as the cowardly lion, oh absolutely period, or.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
As doctor Dilloman. Yes, And that's another cultural way of
saying thank you, King to Peter Dinklin and Coleman Domingo
one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I would say that with is also it's like the
silver Medal, Like if it's with Michelle Yo, it's like
thank you, queen, thank you, really truly thank you. But
also like you're in the cast, Jeff Goldbe occupies verified
air as the end, and the only thing more valuable
than that is of course and well yes, which is

(04:23):
of course and introducing oh, and introducing means we are
ready to really say something. So here's what I'll say.
There wasn't really that that we didn't get that in
this movie, but that doesn't mean there wasn't great esteem
in the casting. And when I say when I saw
you fifth Build, I did the math and I said

(04:44):
he was my fifth favorite thing. What were the what
were they? Four? Number one? Number one My favorite thing
is the sex slanket. That is number one. My favorite
thing and covering and to get the PG rating. You know,
they shot an alternate take where Jonathan Bailey's nipples were covered.
Let me tell you something. We got no nipple, We

(05:05):
got all slank it. I I log on and I'm like,
what did you want? Did you want quivering quivering Cynthia
Rivo's ALPHAbook green? Do you want her quivering with the
talent in front of her, dropping the towel like she's
Kate Winslet in Titanic. No, you need this to be PG.
It's wicked. You absolute freaks, You absolute freak. Also you

(05:25):
want to say thrust.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
This bitch has been living in a tree for the
past twelve Tige turns. She is cozy, she's comfortable, she's cold,
she's out, there's no infras.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
She's comfortable, she's comfortable in her skin, green, cozy with
who she is slanking Bin down, Bin out? Rewrite it Beyonce, No,
I'm saying. And then she topped pierrero pegged his hole.
You know what happened if Johnny had his way rewrite
the script? So that was number one.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
What an amazing premiere that was in New York. I
was so happy, you were there.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Oh my god, that was That was the biggest premiere
that I think I'll ever go to. It say, is
really so major? They I mean, they just they go
for it because it is a spectacle. Wait, can I
say my other top five thing to start? And then
you give me a BTS fact about all of them? Okay,
So one was a sex clanket. Two Ariana Grande and

(06:22):
Cynthia Arrivo at the Doors for Good. Into the Doors.
I swear I think of you every single time. I
really am powerless to that song and that moment because
I just think of you, my best friend, my best friend.
And I was sitting across the aisle from you at
the premiere and we were sort of a part and
I was like, oh, who can say?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
And I was because I was a couple of rows
behind you across the aisle, and I kept glancing over
at you during that song.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I didn't want to look back because I didn't want
it to be too emotional. I didn't want to.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
I don't want to very emotional for the both of us.
I love you so much. Okay, so that's the door. Oh, okay,
BTS quick BTS fact about that. Oh, there's there's a
lot of chatter about how that was quote unquote improvised
because that was that was said in that was maybe
in an interview in passing. So there's I guess that
let's just clear something up. There's no way to like
improvise that a shot like that right now. What I

(07:17):
think what is maybe being lost is that it was
found in rehearsals.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
And there's a couple of things get lost, so this
is this is understandable. There's a kind of a sort
of cost. So like being Ari Cynthia and John im
Chu and Alice Brooks, the amazing, amazing cinematographer. I think
they the four of them kind of found that together
and so I think somehow the word improvised got thrown
in and that just that just really confused people.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
So that that's actual BTS. Well, all I saw about.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
It was Arianna saying that there were certain parties and listen,
in filmmaking, there's always going to be certain party. It's
actually a rut of culture number nine and filming as
going to be parties, and certain parties wanted to scene
cut like after they saw a cut, and it was
fought for and eventually it stated in and I'm so
happy they did, because to me, that's that's that's the point,

(08:04):
that's the story, that's kind of the point, you know
what I mean. So that number three a little bit
of Ariana Grande peeking out during Thank Goodness, which I
think is a conscious choice. Yes, when all the confetti
freezes in the air and Arianna as Glinda has her
private moment, which, by the way, is one of my
favorite things about the entire Wicket score is that moment

(08:26):
in Thank Goodness. And I thought that part was so nailed,
like and I loved that the moment got so personal
that I think is a little bit of a nod.
A little bit of Ariana Grande came out in the
voice and the vocals. Yeah, like it wasn't as resonant
and performative. And she killed that And I'll put her

(08:47):
under my whole three like, she killed the entire movie,
killed the entire movie, killed the entire movie from the
second she heard she got the part until the second
she finished it.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
What did she say she was gonna take such good
care of her? And then number four, I'm gonna guess
no good deed, you know, no good deed.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
The fact that Cynthia can still you don't really get
how far she is pushing it vocally and how I'm sorry,
but no one else could do it like her, because
no one could take it to the vocal places it goes.
That song is also so difficult to learn to sing.

(09:26):
And I got to go with them again. Last night
we saw it again and we watched No Good Dean,
and we all just looked at each other and beamed
because that song is so fucking good and Cynthia, no
one can sing it like that and hold that stardom
on screen, nobody.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
And to end on a wide with the monkeys and
come co. In the background, they're just doing a lot
of a lot of space, holding space as it were
in that shot, and you can still hold the center. Yeah,
And I think a number five is me? Oh sorry,
number five is you?

Speaker 1 (10:02):
No? You were no, you wanted to slip something else
in there. No, I know what number five is because
I came here with my top five. I thought fifth,
build my top five. Fanny again, first of all, missus morrible.
I know that was improvised.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
That was well, that was improvised, and no one we
did not rehearse any of that.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Trust and believe did she just accidentally say missus horrible Brown.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Bless her heart. I fucking love you. She is incredible.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Give it.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Let's give it up for Bronwyn James.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Everybody. She to you're Fanny. I see you. I know
what it's like to stand next to this bitch on
his left at all times, and I felt represented.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
We switch sides every now and then, me and her.
Sometimes sometimes you and I switched side. You're just comfortable
on the right. You just want to be on the right.
Sure I know this about you. We that that was improvised.
She said, Missus, you cann't get you anything.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
This is horrible.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
And then of course I had to. I had to.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
I hadsus morrible. She married married.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Shout out Fanny to day. On the date of this recording, Sunday,
November twenty third, is the last performance of Caje Kennedy,
the Fanny in Wicked for the past three years on Broadway.
I got to meet her at a tight tea a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Was so to the best place. It's t t I
have never seen so many fannies than when t TI
is popping off.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Oh it's all fancy, but it was I got to
meet her then she's incredible, and then tonight it was
her last night on Broadway after three years of doing
over three years, so so amazing, so proud of you.
What work, what a work ethic, what a schedule, what
a talent?

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Love you cache so so so cool. Well, congrats to
the whole team because the movie was a huge fucking hit.
Of course it was, of course it was. I can't
wait to see it be made into a theme park,
specifically in Epic Universe, which, by the way, is popping off,
filing permits, expanding grow. They said, they said, let's make this.
What are you seeing? I'm seeing things. Let's just say, like,

(12:05):
you know, I've had to go to my little coping mechanisms,
and you know that one of them is going on
like the theme park blogs and checking construction. Yes, it's
a soothing thing for me. I love this during a
stressful time and so a streffle book good.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Time, but like yes, stressed with good Okay, so you're
you're you're seeing the permits.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, I mean I think unfortunately they're gonna go go
kind of ham on Harry Potter, right, but we can
we can hope for some stuff I want to see
Zelda get built, and they have the rights.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, I think they're gonna wait for the movie to
come out and then and then see it because and
then the first the first look stills have been released
and it looks very very interesting, a lot of melding
of different eras of Zelda. You got Breath of the
Wild Zelda, like Zelda is in her Breath with the
Wild giche, but while Link is in his like Twilight
Princess Giche. It's very I think I think we're gonna

(12:56):
see something very new.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I guess Breath of the Wild would be what you'd
want to see, right, yes, because it's the most recent
and it kind of has the most feels the most
cinematic in a lot of ways, Like it's just the
scoring is very minimal.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's like, I think they can do really interesting things
with a filmed like a very Japanese but still Western
quote unquote, like amalgamation. Like there's something just so profound
about those games, Like I would really love to see
that be adopted. But maybe maybe that's too much to
ask because it is like a fucking seventy hour game,
and how can you distill that to two hours? But

(13:29):
we'll see that is very exciting. What else in the culture.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, I was just gonna say, like this world of
Veelda that you describe, Yes, would it be possible to
be on a boat that flies like a flying boat?
Could have? You know what I'm saying, because I think
that's what I want the Zelda ride to be. I
want to fly a boat through Zelda.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'm trying to think there is there are flying things
in just possibly it's very possible. Will you will fly
on a zonin device, which is it can be made
into a boat.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Do you think that if we dream it it's possible? Really?
Answer yes, but it depends. Oh, I hate trepidation with
which you respond, but I asked a question I should
have been prepared for world answers.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
My trepidation is not can cannot be held against your
your naivete My God, that sentence has never been more true.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It did not feel good to
say I have.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Thought of myself as naive for like all week.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Isn't that such a gorgeous name? Why are you naive?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Okay, So I'm I'm gonna speak on something I was
naive to think that I could just like post photos
of Razor and I and that people wouldn't be like, oh,
it's a hard launch. But I was just so excited
that I met the most wonderful person and I was
just like posting about my life and like then suddenly

(15:06):
it was like, uh, oh, just Jared. So I guess
I was naive because I wasn't exactly ready for like
any attention in that regard, because I didn't think people
would care.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
You're not thinking about that, You're not thinking about the attention.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
No, I was not. And so but now that it
is out there, I feel I do. I don't. I
recognize that some people listen to this podcast now as
it's gotten a little bit more popular and are just like, oh,
the guests or whatever, But like I do feel like
we've had listeners for a very long time, and so
I'm not just gonna like not bring up. Of course,
I'm definitely dating Fraser. He's definitely the best, the best,

(15:41):
and Bowen's met him. I love him so much, and
that seems to be the common refrain amongst all of
our friends, and so God's that, you know, I adore
the boy.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
He's wonderful. I love him.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
And also that will leave me to Bravo com because
this is the Heather Gay episode.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
This is the Heather Gay episode. Are true true Bestie.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Our true Bessie that we made in cam. But I
do want to say just some Bravo things because this
is because people are from Bravo listening, yes, or Bravo fans,
Bravo holics. I ran into Melissa and Joe from Jersey.
I think the Teresa thing is real. I think that
that is genuinely a thing that they're doing like off camera.
I don't know what changed. Congrats to Gia Judaie she

(16:25):
won Special Forces. I want to say congratulations. That does
not sound easy to me, the sentence blank one special Forces.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'm on my feet. I'm impressed. I'm impressed.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
And I met Dolores.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
You met Oh my god. You two are kindred spirits
and that is a wonderful a woman, a wonderful person, wonderful.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
She put her arm around me and she said, you
get me. And I was like, let me tell you
something I do. I was like, you remind me of
and she goes, I know all your aunts and cousins
growing up. She's like, I understood when you said that,
Like you really get me. I was like, I'm walking
arm in arm with.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Dolores misc Tanya, She's ugh or Traders Winner, Dolores ca
what was the thing that she and she did with
what's her face? It's like she got marched, like text
Dolores while she was talking to She texted Marge, Yeah,
something Jackie had said. Marge texted Dolores something Jackie had

(17:19):
said about her while Dolores was talking to Jackie. She
immediately was like, you said this in the most like, oh,
I wish I had that, and I will if that
if I am confronted in that situation, I.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Will I will pull it.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Dolores, she is DELI and I think I publicly on
video sort of like gawkeed at you or just sort
of balked at you saying that Dolris is your favorite
house stiff. I was like, Dolores and I and I
do take that back. She makes total sense.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
I think you were just surprised. The thing is like,
I'm so lived in with Dolores, I don't feel the
need to be like mentioning all the time, like, oh,
and by the way, I love Dolores, like Dolores is
my family and sometimes family business is private business. Yes,
like sometimes family but and I've been to raise my voice.
Sometimes family business is private business. My god, you're lived

(18:05):
in with Dolores.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I am incredibly lived in in center girl.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I literally when I think of you two interacting, I
see so much more than I think I see like
a travel show. Yes, I think I see you do it,
and I see I see real collapse between you and Angie.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I was texting her as I was watching her fucking
fingernail fall off or whatever it was on the yacht. Remember,
like when she was in she was in the costume
and like she like slammed the door in her finger.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I mean, yes, the pain it felt. I felt it.
I felt the painful. We are connected, And I texted.
I was like, Angie, this is the hardest thing I've
seen in a long time. Yeah, watching you in pain
like this is very hard on me. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
And she was very touched by that, and I think
we grew even closer.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Honestly, She's such a warm angel. Hmm, just like Heather Gay.
I will be on Watch what Happens Live with Heather Gay.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Their day is released or the day before Time, the day.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
The day before chen Shaw is getting released, and you
know it's going to be a topic, and I feel
like people are going to be watching that app because,
by the way, Salt Lake is fully on fire, incredible,
fully on fire. Bronwin is a favorite of mine. Yeah,
I have to say, like this stuff with her husband
is becoming really compelling to me. Absolutely, I'm just like,

(19:28):
I'm just like, I can't. I need to find.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Out where this goes with Todd, with the mom unfortunately
that mom.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Don't want to I don't want to comment on the
situation too much because it's it really especially after Bramacon.
It's like, these are people, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
And by the way, Bronwin one of the coolest people there,
like definitely very chill vibe, always looked really great. Ram
was one of the coolest people there. And also all
of the Salt Lake ladies are tens. I met Marisol. Ah,
I mean, come on, I got to see some of
my faves, ran into Gina my Long Island girl, Oh
my god, you and Gina Wendy being there was crazy.

(20:10):
And now there's even more. They're they're for credit.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Cards, aliases, it's really tough looking, good looking, good I see.
I feel for that. I feel for those children. Most
of all, I feel for both of them.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Two.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's well, this is our episode with Heather Gay. We
recorded this a little while back, so we are. You know,
Mat and I are not operating from a place of
being totally caught up to the below deck crossover what
happened with Meredith and Brittany on the plane, obviously, but
we are. We do mostly just like shoot the breeze
on can and just getting to know each other in

(20:44):
the last few months and how special that's been.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
We do love. Heather's one of us, you know what
I mean. Love Heather. She's a good time, she's a
good person, like she's a girl. She's just just yeah,
we love and we think you're gonna love this. You
just said the words Meredith on the plane, and I
got so stressed, reaching fumbling for my beta blockers, like
please know anything to calm myself. That's the kind of television.

(21:11):
We didn't even talk about pluribus next time, let me
catch up. Oh wait, say what you want to say.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
It is incredible. A lot of chatter about how it's
like doing the Vince Gilligan thing of having an amazing
Pilo or not. Not the Vince gillion thing. But it's
just like the thing recently where it's like things have
an incredible pilot and then they kind of like Peter
off and I'm like, that's just I think that's just TV.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I disagree. I think Plurbis keeps the.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Ball in the air in a very very cool way,
like I'm really interested to see where this goes, takes
big swings.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, one thing about it is that is not Vince
Gilligan's reputation.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I was gonna say that is not his at all.
Breaking ball did not like pop off with the pile
and then simmer Dan.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
That I would argue got better as it went. It
got so good I had to tap out because of stress.
And also better call Saul. I mean I was always
told like, oh, ray Seahorn, Ray Seahorn. For I was like,
I just wish that that our call Soul was something
that gave me a little bit of a chub, but
never sure. Plori booze, plora booze, ploody booze.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
It is very special. I'm really enjoying it. It has
something to say about, like a lot of things, you
can really graft on a lot of things about the
current day. Onto it anyway, enjoy it. We'll talk about
it when when, when you're caught up.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, we'll see you in a few weeks. We'll check
in again before the EO Y.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
For now, enjoy this episode with the one and only
Heather Day.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Look mare, oh, I see you my own and look
over there is that culture. Yes, wow, lost culture.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Ding dong. Lost culture is just calling It's a day
that's been in the making. Hm hmm. It's crazy to say, like, well,
we connected in the South of France dot dot dot
meaningfully connected in the South of France at a convention
and then cam con at CAMCN.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Cam camp Conry convention in cam That's right, and struck
up a true genuine friendship. And then she shows up
to the Culture Awards slays it. Crushed, crushed. They were
the most the biggest stars, the biggest stars in the room. Well,
Kristen Wigg does her comes in for rehearsal, she does
her thing. She you know, sees all these places, goes

(23:34):
to oh yeah, that's person's here, This prince is here,
freezes in her tracks. The Salt Lake City Girls are coming.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
I said, everyone except Whitney who's in Australia, touring in Australia,
just to let you know how big the lives have become.
They're touring in Australia, touring in Australia, at the awards, here, there, everywhere.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
I mean, this is a historic episode. Correct me if
I'm wrong, our first in person housewife in person, Yeah,
of a current housewife.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
We've obviously had hazwys On before. Yeah, this is breaking
new ground and I couldn't think of anyone better.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
No, because I think that we've been on record as
saying that Salt Lake City is the girl.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
She's the one John oliveryone Uncle Bert. Oh, and even
kind of espoused to the audience the ways in which
it is Shakespeare.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, you start seeing it a crossover. We actually, we
were just in Pete Town and we rewatched season two
what we can only call what goes down in the
Beauty Lab parking lot. Yeah, it doesn't stay in the
Beauty Lab parking lot. It's all over television in television history.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
But that is minute by minute perfect television.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I would agree, And it continued to be New York
Times best selling author of Bad Mormon and good time
girl star of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City from
the beginning very much, and I think that everyone would
agree very much. The protagonist of the show.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Mogul, Beauty Lapp and Laser m M, I'm dying to go.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Oh, we're going.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
I want to get an old therah treatment there.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
And actually I want a little bit of a console
on the episode. Oh yeah, I'm not scared of it.
I'm not scared of it either. Let's do it. This is,
I say fearfully.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
This is our truly dear friend. We love her, the one,
the only Heathery.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Cold.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
I am so honored to be on most coach. Never
thought this day would come, but I feel like a
final It's like important that it's happening now. I think
my phone is ringing.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well, what could what could I possibly be saying?

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Angie cuts and us take up the phone. You take
up the phone, pick it up and put it on speaker.
Put on speaker.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Hey, Ange Oh she hung on damn so wishy washy
that one.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Listen, she probably pans. She's on right now.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
She probably realized that, and we want her onto for
the phone call.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Angie k is an incredible friend, an incredible housewife, also
recommended before the Sizzle reel by me ran on my
behalf and I recommended her year after year until she
finally was on there.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Which was what season three they brought her.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Reason two, they revisited and she came on as a friend.
Season three she was a friend, and then night full time.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, yeah, but you knew from the beginning.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Yeah, she represents such a huge part of Utah and
of Salt Lake City specifically, yeah, the Greek community. And
she has been exactly who she is since she was
fifteen years old, sitting like reverse on her desk in
mister Carter's math class, like with a scrunching on top
of her head, entertaining all of us not knowing a
single answer to a single math problem, and me being

(26:30):
so glad I was in a lower math class so
I could just have fun and make friends and still
pull in a.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, but this was the same math class.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
You're saying, yeah, yeah, this is tenth grade mister Carter's
math class.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
But then clear this up, because wasn't the narrative on
the show that you guys did not get along in
high school? No.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Start on the show was that she hurt my feelings
by coming on the show as Lisa's friend and Jen's friend.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
And that as real.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
And so when she so, the first scene I had
is like I don't like her and I'm not going
to accept that. And so then we like that, you
know what, we you know, the true nature of our
relationship superseded kind of all of that show bs. You
know that happened. It's a weird thing.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
You know, hell, I mean it was a great moment.
Like we were getting ready for the Cultural Awards. It
was the night before, and I was really racked with nerves,
and I remember Melissa and I went back to the
hotel and I look across the lobby and there's Heather
and Angie coming in from like, I don't know where
you guys have been. You guys have been out the
night before the Cultural Awards, Ida cackling, laughing, looking like

(27:36):
peas in a pot. And I was like, see, we
haven't really seen this version of Angie and Heather on
the show. Yeah, And then to watch it in real life,
I'm like, oh, this is like a part of the
show I want to see. Yeah, like the two of.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
You, I think you will see more and more of it.
You know because as as like the friendships change and
evolve and deep in like we just are more comfortable
like not hurting other people's feelings by hanging out all
the time, you know what I mean. It's just it's
just the nature of it, Like it's deepened our relationship
in a way that is really like important to someone

(28:09):
at this phase of life for me, you know what
I mean. Yeah, to have a high school friend. I've
noticed that she's fifteen years old.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, the picture you paint of her is so visceral,
like sitting on the desk with the hyph pony like
you doing, in white.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Stripe gap rugby shirt, collar popped.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Rugby strit So she's so of the current time in
that in that garb, but so like doesn't doesn't that
like I wonder how you do with that, you know,
refraction of Oh my god, this is someone I've known
since fifteen. Also, we're on TV together representing something about
Salt Lake City, and there's just all this other stuff
and and you guys just have to like perform a

(28:46):
version of yourselves in a way that like is authentic,
but also like you need to like draw some connection
to like that younger self of you like that that
that younger version of you.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah, the younger version of us. And I think that's
what makes it so fun and and deepens our friendship
is because you could put us at said nothing, we're
going to be doing the same bitch, you know what
I mean. Like when we're together, we're kind of it's
just that energy feeds off each other. And like I'm
always performing. I've been performing since I was in kindergarten,
you know what I mean. Like everything's more fun if

(29:19):
it's a big performative.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I think you're putting the hard tea on kindergarten.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Well, kindergarten because the way it spelled kindergarten. I'm the
best selling author.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
What did that feel like when it not only when
it came out, but also like when Bad wom Room
went on that best seller list. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, Bad Mormon. The book has been for sure, like
the greatest jewel of all of this experience, and not
only because it felt great to like write my story
and process all that. I mean, it's so cathartic, it's
so therapeutic, and it was just it felt like an
incredible privilege to revisit that and like kind of honor

(30:07):
the girl I was then and like that. I was
in a position now to look at it with perspective
because I tell people a lot. They're like, oh, when
is he going to leave the church or when is
she going to leave the church, And I'm like, it's
not leaving the church. Is like, it's like leaving who
you are. And the only way I've seen it happen
for people like me is if something bigger comes along, right,

(30:30):
something bigger comes along that offers you more than what
you've always counted on, because that's kind of you know, ambition,
the human spirit, like the drive to exceed, and like
Housewives came along and offered me more than I ever
anticipated I could have, And the book gave me the
opportunity to explore that. And so the book has been

(30:51):
my great connector. I meet people on the streets. It's
what they love. They resonate with it. It's we're doing
a documentary about it, you know, it's like it means
so much to me. And I was posing for an
ad where I had to hold it and so I
was just kind of like reading it laughing out loud.
I love every word. I'm so proud of it. And
like I hope it outlasts me for one hundred years.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yes, I think your story, I think you talk about
leaving the church being this like developmentally important, the most
important thing in any Mormons developed, former Mormons development as
they leave the church. Is kind of like you're defining
thing as like a boundary breaking person. Right, It's like

(31:35):
you broke like the boundary was the church for a second.
You broke out of that. Then you're, you know, in
order to define that, though, you have to get in
the boundary first, right, and so like whether that's like
housewives whenever you you know, however long you do that,
at some point you will break out of that boundary.
But it requires getting in the boundary first, and it

(31:55):
requires sitting down to like write the book, you know
what I mean? Like that is part of that is
the action of like breaking out of whatever box people
have put you in.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
That's exactly how it happened when I was first approached.
I couldn't even read the email saying write a book
called bad Mormon. I mean, I shut the laptop. It
was just so I would never have put my name
my face on anything derogatory about the church or about
who I still wasn't sure. I wasn't, you know. And
then just through time, like you start to like recognize

(32:24):
that boundary becomes less oppressive and like less defining of
your options in life, you know, And like now I
couldn't think of a better title, you know, I wanted
to be a good Mormon. It was very hard for me.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's an incredibly sticky title, you know what I mean,
Like bad Mormon is a title you just don't forget
and you get you not only are you explicitly saying
what it is, but also as you read it, you
discover like it's about self judgment, which is like so
much and it's really I guess it's kind of similar
to coming out of the closet, right It's like for me,
you do that way, and then I think there's like

(33:00):
a perception of like, oh, this person left the Mormon Church.
They left you know, scientology, they're coming out of the closet,
they're leaving a marriage, et cetera. Good for them. That
is when the work really starts, because that's when you
find out who you are. And I feel like one
of the really compelling things about the first really few
seasons and ongoing of Salt Lake City. Housewives is of

(33:23):
course it's fun because it's a housewiveschise, franchise in franchise,
and this house franchise, youm it's in this bespoke place,
Salt Lake City, which we hadn't really explored before. But
what was the most compelling thing was I think, especially
you you're you're watching, you find out who you are,
you know what I mean, like seeing your limits, even

(33:45):
with alcohol, with going out, with doing all these things.
It's all it's really very fascinating, and I wonder what
you get watching it back.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Well, in a way, I feel like I got back
what I felt reality TV gave to me when I
was living in such culture bubble. You know, My bubble
of culture was so intact that like it took a
lot to penetrate that, and reality television as a married
woman was the first time that I saw examples of

(34:14):
women that weren't Mormon dutiful wives. Like that's how inclusive
my world was. And I think that it's like watching
people live their lives out vicariously. And I've said it
a few times, but like there's that scene when camera's
in the back of the limo with whatever, you know,
I don't remember his name now because he's nameless. But

(34:36):
she says, I want to divorce Simon Simon. She's like,
I want a divorce, and like I heard her say that,
it penetrated my heart and I thought, oh my god,
that would feel so good to say, Wow, I'm watching
a woman say something that I could never say. I
could never even think it. And like, watching that just

(34:57):
became a way to like, you know, suddenly see beyond
the world that you were expected to live in forever.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
But that was what kind of like chipped at the
Veneer for you was was reality television.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Yeah, well, oh so the whole point to get back
I forgot I got so distracted, is that, Like that
gave a lot to me.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
So when I had the chance to be on the
show and be a housewife, like I knew that like
no matter ugly whatever was coming, like I was just
going to put it all out there because I wanted
to put out into the media that gave back to me,
you know what I mean, contribute to the forum. That
gave me what I needed. What I needed was vulnerability,

(35:36):
authenticity and just women speaking unfiltered and so on the show,
I felt an obligation to the audience, to reality TV
as a genre, and to you know, my own opportunity.
Like I'm here, I'm not going to like take it
from someone else. That's going to be real, you know
what I mean, And I'm just going to do it.

(35:57):
And that's like kind of the sacrifice. Like but it's
so humiliation abounds, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Well, I mean, of course, like like putting yourself out
there is is quote unquote like humiliating in some fashion, right,
Like even we experience a degree of that. But it's
like to have the books plural, even Good Time Girls
a really sticky title you can't forget.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Especially because of it popping up on the show one.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
But I think with the books that is such a
I mean, it's it's the way I feel about the
podcast in a concurrent sense of like a show like
S and Now, where it's like I'm in service of
something else in an ensemble and it's it's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
But then having the podcast with my best friend is
like a fucking lifeline because I'm like, oh, I get
to like make sense of things with someone I love
one on one. We bring in people we love, and
that is I'm sure in some sense more isolated what
the book is probably.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Yeah, absolutely, and it's in it's in, it's it's in
your zone, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
But in terms of the genre reality TV, like you
know at this point that like the show and what
you've contributed to it is the peak of it, Like
it is the best reality TV maybe ever.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
I really thought a couple of times show house size
of Salt Lake City in generally the.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Whole house types of Celic City. No, I think that
it's like it's like the Housewives of Salt Lake City,
I think stands out And I don't know if you
can really feel that, because it probably you understand because
like there is like a buzz around it and you
can just see. But sometimes, like when you're when it's you,
you can't really tell what it is that's hitting because

(37:36):
there's this weird like what's like dysphoria almost about like
what is like actually in the world and what is
my algorithm telling me? But like we're out here on
the outside of it, being like Salt Lake City feels
different because it tells a new story. You know, a
lot of the other Housewives franchise. I think that what

(37:58):
the issue is with some of them. Is it feels
like we're not telling new stories. Yeah, sometimes it feels
a little bit repetitive. With Salt Lake City, it's like
a couple of things. These are women that pass the
ball where it's a true ensemble, and it feels like
we're hearing a new stories. And I think that that's like,
like I don't recognize any of the stories being told

(38:19):
on this franchise.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
And Gosha Baby, they were even playing a game with
Angie k and Demi Levado. I want to watch it happens,
live it where it was you know, Angie or Demi
picking like from each of the cast, like most likely
to do this, this, that, and they just had all
of your headshots and just even above the nose, above
the nose. I was like, these are indelible people. They're iconic,

(38:41):
recognizable women, and we salute the contribution.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's cast in a way that has to be sometimes
frustrating when you want to rip the throats out of
your cast members because you know that it's like a
cast that kind of can't change, Like sorry, problem, we've.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Tried, you know, we can't We've you know, we all
think that we can evolve and change realthing for improving
and we just are exactly who we are, and there's
so much comfort in that to me. You know, like
I love people that are awful and people that are great.
I love all people, you know, but I just like
when they show up and I can know what to expect.

(39:17):
Consistency is key, and I think Salt Lake City brings
these consistent personalities because we're authentic to who we are.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah. I think my favorite moment from the premiere, and
we were commenting on this, was when Whitney Rose admits
that her business failed. And it's that is because as
a housewife, there's all this like modern expectation and you know,
Salt Lake City Housewives. I remember they did that book,
like not all Diamonds and Rose and Salt Lake Housewives

(39:44):
isn't even in that because of how new it is
in the grand scheme of things, Like it's this like
post Housewives Housewives show where all of you come in
and like are expected to not only hit the ground
running as like entertaining pop culture figures, but also business people.
You know, if you do it correctly putting in air quotes,
you have something outside the show for you. And I

(40:04):
thought that her sharing that it did not go well,
especially when such a huge part of her narrative when
she was starting it was how badly it needed to
succeed because Justin had lost his job at the time. Like,
I think that that was a really important moment, because
I do think you guys are at a point where
it could go in the direction that is like, we

(40:25):
know what we've got here and so let's continue to
produce it, or we know what we've got here and
what makes us special is the authenticity. And that felt
like an authentic, real moment of for being like, Hi,
I failed, let's talk about it.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Yeah, and Brittany, don't bring it up five minutes into
the RV trip, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
I mean Brittany's being herself too. Everyone's being as.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Exactly, which is why it works. And I think that
there we really something that's unique about Salt Lake City
is that we really are all each other has like
and I don't know, I can only speak for my self,
but being on the show doesn't have a lot of
currency in our community, Like not at the grocery store,

(41:07):
not at the mall, not amongst our closest friends and family.
They really don't talk about it. They don't acknowledge it,
certainly with me. They don't talk about the book, you know,
they don't talk about this like they just talk to
you about your children and like innocuous things like probably
with Whitney at soccer and with Lysia it's Henry, you

(41:27):
know what I mean. But they don't give us any
currency for the fact that we are on this show
that is such a hit and that has changed our
lives so fundamentally, And I think part of that keeps
us like you know, tight and humble, and I mean humble,
but tight, and it makes the show that much more

(41:48):
important and our stories that much more kojent because it's
you know, it's all contained.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, you have this memory of Angie high pony and
green rugby shirt. What is your memory of us going
to be going forward?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
As you go?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Oh, I've known Mountain Bone for fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, what's the image?

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Listen, guys, Can's lions.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Which we all can't remember a specific one because we
were so turned.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Well, I mean, listen, I can remember.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Can I take what I know mine and I'll say
it it's me. I remember I was over with a
couple of the Summerhouse people. I turn around. I see
it's you sitting on a bench crying, and Bowen is
on his knees in front of you, glasping your hands
like this, and you guys are having one of the
most emotional moments in human kind history.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
And I was kneeling and.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
You were talking about how it had been your first
time in can since your Mormon mission, and you were
talking about that a lot during depressed that we were
all doing together. That's wild. That's all places in the world.
That's where they sent you as someone that's then supposed
to be like well behaved. Yeah, one of the horns

(43:02):
most gorgeous places in the world. And then that you
randomly for this thing later, years and years later, when
your life is totally different, you're also sent there on
a different mission, which is to tell your new life story.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Yeah. Crazy. And that's like I thought when I was
there as a Mormon missionary. I thought I was of
the world, you know, this worldly, bilingual, you know, change maker.
And I thought I could never be this happy because
I was so indebted in the service of others. My
testimony of the Church was so strong. I was doing

(43:37):
the Lord's work. I was ruining people's lives and it
was for the right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
You were incredible Mormons.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
I was. I was so I thought, I am this
is who I was born to be, and I could
never be happier. And at the same time I was
miserable and it was so hard, and it was soul
you know, gutting, and I to come back there now
and feel like the same person, the same enthusiasm, the
same ambition, the same zest for life and for the people,

(44:05):
but to be there on terms that were authentic to me,
it just felt like how how how did I get
this opportunity? And that's what I was weeping to bowen about. Yeah, yeah,
that is like I'm here, I'm here, You're here, and
who gets to do that?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I mean, I think you were also just exhuming all
of these things that maybe you had forgotten about. I
remember you very distinctly telling me while I was kneeling
to you, you were like, I think that was when
you were like, we would have to get like the
Church told us for these missions, that you would go
into people's houses and within one minute beyond your knees

(44:42):
with them and pray like it had to be that.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
It's like the salespersonraining that we trained. We trained, we
had conferences where we trained. We'd walk up and say,
if they opened the door to us and said, you know,
these two v mean missionaries, you know in T shirts
and full dresses, we have a message of hope and
love for your family, can we come in? If they
said come in, we grabbed their forearm and said, can

(45:04):
we offer a prayer and.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Knelt down within one minute or five?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Was it wonderful?

Speaker 4 (45:09):
One minute? Within one minute?

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Get on the ground, they said, because.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
And they said, like most people when you kneel, they're
like gonna kneel. That's just human nature, and most kind
people in the world are never going to turn down
a prayer. Sure, officers, offer us a prayer, throw us
a prayer, bone, be on your way. But then you
kneel down with them and you pray with them that
they will be open to receive the message that you're

(45:34):
about to give them. And it felt highly manipulative, but.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
It's also at the same time, I mean, yes, just
the intention is maybe manipulative, but then if you're describing
like just offering a prayer to someone, there is like
it's it's so dissonant. There is like there is a
kindness to this.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Of course, there's a kindness in love, but like, why
make them kneel? Why why do it in a way
that we know as a tactic to get us to
stay there longer and to in effect shame them for
churning us out.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Because I'm sure that what they're arming you with is,
of course these skills, but what's behind it is the
fact that you genuinely believe that what you're going to
do is better their life, change their life. So that's
an induct their family. Yeah, that's that's you being indoctrinated
in something that's not you manipulating, it's simply acting.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Yeah, and that's and that's where that's why I find
the church so fascinating, and the culture that comes out
of the church that fascinating. And the fact that I
had three daughters that I was training to be that
exact version of me, and now one's living on the
Upper West Side of New York City. Ones at the
University of Miami in a sorority I don't even want
to party.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, yeah, no, you don't go to You're not a
sorority girl in University of Miami.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
And not raging exactly. And then I have my freshman
daughter at U Tampa and like none of my friends
kids have even left the state of Utah, and a
lot of them are married. So I have I'm an
anomaly in my neighborhood and in my community. And Angie
is one of my true friends from call from high school.
That is, I mean, think of that. You know, like

(47:14):
everyone else we know is married with and some of
them are grandparents already.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
So that's what you're saying, Like, that's what tightens you,
That's what humbles and titans.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
There's not a lot of people like us in our
community I at all. Not a lot of women business owners,
not a lot of women entrepreneurs. The highest brand you
can get at our Norse from is rag and Bone.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I love Rag and Bone and I.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Love Citizens of Humanity, But sometimes the audience wants us
to show up in more, and we love an audience.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
I do want to ask about that too, because again,
like Salt Lake City being relatively new, even though it's
in its sixties, and it still feels like it was
born after the creation of what a quote unquote real
housewife looks like is et cetera. What that image was
born and into you know, television's television watching communities heads.

(48:04):
So when you show up and the nicest store in
your north Strom rack is the Rag and Bone, which
is really for men, right, don't they really? They just
kind of make more it's more. Yeah, yeah, so they
weren't even helping so gender, Matt, what I'm saying is
just like the the Opportunity Shore, but also expectation to

(48:25):
be as glam as Erica Jane, Like what goes on
there when like you collide with the other housewives that
has to be so intimidating. Of course I'm talking about
like Girls Trip, but also Bravo con and like watch
it Happens live and just like you know, showing up
as a housewive, how did that feel? How are we
interacting with that?

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Well? For me, it was like, I mean I did
everything in a Stretchyesara, every confessionals either stretchy Zara or
Macy's or Dillard's. You know, work prom fifty percent off
for my first season and that's like this set the
stage of life I was in. Also the clothes that
fit me, So I mean I felt like I was
doing the best I could and I admired I had

(49:04):
such a fandom and respect and like knowing how hard
it is to like just do all of it. You know,
these there's not a lot of women over forty thriving
and doing these types of things. So like these are
the first mentors in my life, Like the first women
that I saw get divorced and thrived that I saw

(49:25):
not have six children and still have a fulfilling life
and not talk about casual sex. I mean, I know
this sounds naive, but like this is the world I
lived in, so everything to me was like I mean,
I didn't feel threatened. I felt like, you know, take
me with you, ye show me the way, inspired and

(49:45):
just yeah inspired for.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Sure, it showed you another run and honored.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
But I'm also embarrassed but honored. You know, you don't
want to bring them down.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I think, like because you talked about this and while
we were in can like on a panel, and I
think you were just saying, like I saw housewives and
it broke the mold on what women my age could do,
what the possibilities were, And you're so I think that
is going to be true for a while for.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Every woman in America.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
You know, it's like every woman who maybe is a
single mom or you know, an entrepreneur or like just
is juggling all these quote unquote unconventional things, especially in
a very conventional, conventioned place like Utah or you know,
in the Mormon Church. Like you're talking about something very
powerful about television and media. And I think you've like

(50:37):
taken that mantle so well, and I think that is
I think that is why people really kind of like
are drawn to you as a housewife and they say
that you are the protagonist of Salt Lake because because
you understand, as it were, the assignment. My memory of
you is hold on is this phone background that I
still have Heather get smoking a cigarette? That is you

(50:59):
in a red girl, A good time girl.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
I said, I'm going to smoke and I'm going to
drink when I'm in can this time.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
We almost got you to hook up with that guy, remember,
but then we found out he was gay.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Well they always are with this the redheaded. I wept
because I'd never been thrust on a man's shoulders like
that you were.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I did the whole time.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
I was pure joy.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
You do we not have the most we had?

Speaker 1 (51:27):
We got back and were exhausted for a week. I
took us a month.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
He went straight to Beyonce in Paris.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Stop trying the cultural awards. You have to imagine we
were in the middle writing the Culture Awards.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Can we talk about the cultural awards? Culture? What's our
time frame?

Speaker 1 (51:48):
The culture Awards?

Speaker 4 (51:49):
You guys changed, it changed Awards shows forever.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Stop that.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
It's like it's the chapel roone of award shows.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Show the chapel, having you guys there amidst all of
what was happening. What I loved was all the.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Throwaway shots to me having the time of mine.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Absolutely love to use that, you know when I well,
you know what I knew. We kind of did something
there at the end of it, Like we're walking back in.
We had taken a moment to ourselves after the show,
and we're walking back in and we see the one
and only Mary and she is in this red sort
of becloaked scouted with her gloves and she turns to

(52:35):
us and she said, I enjoyed myself, And she said,
my husband said, you better know who they are. She goes,
and I do know who you are, Matt and Bowen.
She goes, we need to have a picture. I was like, yes,
we do. The fact that Mary asked her that that.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Was bestone upon you. I've known her for years, never
have I received such honor.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
She it was like she was throwing us some bread
as docs. I was like, wow, it was.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Like Queen Elizabeth looked over and that.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Was not a common thing for her to do, right. No, Yeah,
that's incredible the fact that. But then it's so funny
because in the edit, I was doing the edit of
the show, and of course we're looking for audience cutaways,
et cetera, And almost every time the audience was cutting
over to you guys. What I loved was how seriously
mariyam Cosby was looking at everything. She was just like
I don't know. It did take her like a second,

(53:22):
I think, to register what was happening. And then at
some point we did win her over. But I was
just like, you win everything went.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Over and like it was an incredible, incredible experience.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Oh, thank you for doing it, for doing.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
It, like it should happen every year and I want
third row seats.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
To try. Oh mean, my god, what is your favorite
show on Bravo?

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Like?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
What is the what? I have two questions, One before
we ask you the real question, who is the housewife
that made you say Housewives was for you as as
a real Housewives fan? And is there a show on
Bravo besides Housewives whatever that's your fave.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Tamra perhaps as you mentioned earlier.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
I mean, that's interesting, but like no, because Tamra terrifies
me that that moment was so raw and I just
really appreciated her for it. But like, honestly, I know
that said Housewives could be for me. It never occurred
to me, even until the final call sizzle reel, It's
still never occurred to me. But honestly, I would say

(54:27):
Vicky gun Wilson, Oh wow, Vicky Gunbilson, because I feel
like I feel emotional. Isn't that she just was herself,
you know, and was just obnoxious and in the best
way of course, and like got a lot of crap,

(54:49):
you know, had to overcome a lot, but just like
showed up, had a great business, was proud of who
she was, was proud of what she wanted, and her
relationships went after it got it.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
You know.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
The hole Dawn thing was so painful, but I related
to it. I could see and I just think I
just think Vicky's story is pretty remarkable and she deserved
you know that. When she was in that mustard colored
velvet dress. I don't remember what she was mad about,
but I'm on her side.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, you know the thing about it, she.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Was mad about she she did serve that show.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Well, you know what I mean, I think she should
still be on it, but that's just my opinion. But
the thing about Vicky is she was It's like we
say often, she was always herself. She was always herself,
and it's great that she was like the og of
the oc really the first real housewife because she it's

(55:43):
it's kind of like when Kelly Clarkson won American Idol,
they hit the jackpot, like Vicky Gunilson being the first
real housewife really the family. They hit a jackpot because
there was yeah, there was a model for what this
show was and the kind of person that it revolves around.
And she is Orange County, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Like and you saw how housewives kind of evolved or
you know, and it's it's it's changed my physical appearance
and like the way I show up to stuff and
that you just you see how the process like changes you.
But like you know, I just it's never I've never
thought of that before, but that's just what came to
me in this.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
But I bet you recognize yourself more when you look
in the mirror now.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Oh for sure. Absolutely absolutely, Like I feel like I
like am in my zone and I am so proud
of the girl that like had to overcome so much
more to get me here. Like you know, I look
back and I think the courage and like the guts.
Like also, everyone hated me and was so mean to

(56:44):
me season one and two. You know, they thought, who
is this dummy, Let's let's oust her.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
You know, she doesn't the round just like the cast
cast you felt you felt like they were not rooting
for you.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah, was that jealousy because you I thought it was like.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
I'm not going to be seen with her, Like I thought,
like this is beneath my level of socialization of panache
and image, and so yeah, it was really really hard
for me season one and two.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
It's really interesting because I remember like after season one
was season one was a success, especially, like and it
really snapped in in the last few episodes and it
was kind of a little bit you guys realizing there
was something off with Jen and then obviously season two
it becomes a pop culture phenomenon. But I remember watching

(57:37):
that and it was very clear in those reunions that
people had seen themselves depicted in a way they didn't expect.
Like I think that probably a lot of people did
expect to look like the protagonist of the show, which
was clearly. I mean, and everyone's incredible and in their
function on the show, but I do think you are.
Your story speaks exactly to why a franchise exists in

(58:01):
Salt Lakesity. Yeah, and I think that that's kind of
just an undeniable, just narrative choice.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
Yeah, so that had to be humbling for people, surprising
and bad way to a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Yeah, yeah, but you were someone with who came into
the show with self knowledge, which which might not have
been said for your castmates, and that was probably something
that set you apart, but also like was very i
don't know, like a little bit weird for them. I
think you probably just like were ahead on that potentially

(58:34):
hopefully that's how that's how you look at it in hindsight.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Well, in hindsight, I just think like I never thought
I would be there, and they never thought I would
be there, and then when I was there, everyone was
just like what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (58:42):
You know what I mean, Like in terms of casting
at all, Yeah, wow, yeah, you know, I don't want
to make this. I don't want to relate this back
to myself, but like I relate on this level of
Like I never expected to be on a show like SNL.
I would always watch I was obsessed with the show,
watched every week. But I was like, you know, what
would be a dream to be a writer? And it
was and it was great, and then it took like

(59:05):
an audience or maybe like some coworkers, sometime you'd be like,
oh yeah, Bowen's here, you know. But like there's something
about sticking with it and staying and whether or not
you went over the respective people you at least like,
you know, you kind of appreciate the things that are
intact about yourself. Like I like, I would not say
you've changed very much since you've started on the show.

(59:28):
You've been yourself.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
You know.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
I just think I'm seeing more now, which is a
good feeling, a good feeling, but also sad. You know, yeah,
that there's so many things that keep people from seeing
who you really are.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Wow, and that's that's really really interesting. And how how
in a way it's like when there's a camera on
you and almost like it emboldens you to like say
this thing, like you do get the sense like across
the franchise is like a lot of people started in
marriages on the show that like clearly weren't working, And

(01:00:02):
a lot of people say, like, oh, they went on
the show to get a divorce. Maybe not consciously but unconsciously,
but it's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
An opportunity, it's a lifeline, you know. Like I was
at the darkest, saddest point in my life when the
show came around. You know, I was in a business
that was failing. I was trying to build it back up,
and was it failing? Well when I bought it, it was, yeah,
like it was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
I started out every day like a thousand dollars in
the red he had taken out like a hard money loan,
was some offshore person I couldn't even contact, you know.
I was just so I had to like build this business.
And in building it, I met a lot of people.
And that's what connected me to like casting, because I
knew a lot of these you know, hot girls get
an injection.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, true.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
But the business was a success and that's where I
really started to like pull myself out. But like to
be on television, that was never you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
In the plan, Yeah it was, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
In the plan it was. It was just like it
wasn't even watching Degrassi Junior Highs, like you know, ten
year old thinking. You know, if you don't get it
as a Nickelodeon kid, you're never going to get it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Of course, you know what I mean. Of course. So
do you still watch everything on Bravo?

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Yeah? I watch everything and I love all of it,
and I really love I love Southern charm, I love
below Deck, I love Captain Jason, and I love Captain Carrey.
And I did Blowdeck Adventure with Captain Carrey.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
I was going to ask you about what it's like
to be on Below Deck Adventure.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
It was so fun, it was incredible, It was totally incredible.
We went to Norway, you know, sod the Fjords, like
things you would never see from land or even on
a screen saver on your laptop.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Wow, this is real and not just I know sometimes I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Just like this looks just like my screensaver. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
I didn't see a lot either growing up, like I like,
we had like a working class family on Long Island.
So now that I get to my adult life and
get some gold places like Can, it's like, yeah, so amazing,
And you do take it for granted because there's so
many people that don't have even if they dreamed it,
don't have agency access ability to go to all those places.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Yeah. I mean my first international trip was as a
traveling companion for a little person that needed help like
with their luggage and stuff, because I wanted to see
the world.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Where'd you go?

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Can not can?

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Sorry?

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Cantcuon?

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Can't COONa? Interesting?

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Cancun?

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I probably similar?

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
And can Can? I wept on the white sand beaches
of can Kue.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Do you never want to come back? I want to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I'm I going to come back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
You know, you just have this angst and this like
desire for a bigger life, but your circumstances there's just
no path to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
See it well. And then like your parameters change as
soon as you have a kid or three kids.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Yeah, like big mistake, huge, don't do that. I'm like,
you know, I mean I just graduated. I'm an empty nester,
I can say it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Yeah from the way. Gosh, how does that feel incredible?

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
It's my rumer. I love it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Yea? Was that was that true in Can? Or it
was still? No, it was animal still and kicked it off.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Kicked it off?

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
An went went to Tampa or what?

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
No, Annabel went to Tampa two weeks after I got
home from cam. Wow, that like can kicked it off
for sure?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
And now it's like I'm being like totally intentional about it.
We're really working hard. I know you've both recommended me
to Rya. I'm still on the wait list.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Wait what I recommended you?

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Sam Lansky's put in a word to like the CEO.
I have every person Andy, everyone's working on it. But
there's something about my age group. Oh give me my
emotional stability. I don't know, but ry emotional.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Stability as a prerequisite for Rya. I'll tell you that much,
at least among them the gay men.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
I'm not online. I'm just like that would be my
first Foray. But I am being totally like, I want
a date now I don't. I didn't want to do
it and I was a mom. It's just it's a weird.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
What's a good first date for anyone out there that's
listening as.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
In a group, like at a dive bar, like yeah,
and like having a vibe and then for sure going
home together.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah, yeah, you want to. You want to have your
your one night spend there. I do know you're.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Vibe asking me this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
It's for the people who lost coach, which they are they?
Are they out there?

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Are they?

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Honestly, a lot of Katie's out there have said, you know,
my boyfriend will sometimes just have you guys on because
they'll have indoctrinated them in the ways of lost culch.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
It's how to look smart.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Okay, let's ask you the question, Heather Gay, what was
the culture that made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
So? I have like a ten thousand of them, obviously,
because every time I listen I think of one. But
when I was thinking about this one, I was trying
to remember like the first moment that really kind of
penetrated the bubble of the culture that I was raised
in because it was very, very inclusive. I don't know
how to explain I was a bubble boy, were it?

(01:05:01):
I only knew people of my kind and that believed
and thought. I thought the world was flat. No one
told me different. Everyone reinforced it. And I had one
friend and we're still friends. Jessica Miller shout out. She's
a good time girl. She her older brothers picked us
up and brought us home from school one day, which
I don't know how or why my mom allowed it,

(01:05:22):
but it did. It happened, and they played violent fems
Blister and the Sun in the car and I was
probably in like third grade.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Yeah, And what was the feeling? What?

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Every part of me lit up? You know what I mean?
I understood none of it, and I understood all of it,
and like it it changed, like my chemistry, and I thought,
what is this song? What?

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I know?

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Like knowing I wasn't supposed to be hearing it, and
like I can never un hear it. And I came alive.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
You had a mini awakening, a mini awakening.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
And then we went to her house and her brother
sir himself a cup of peppermint sknops with ice. He
was about sixteen in the short classxteen years. You can
have a sip, You can have a sip of you.
I of course refused it because I'd already listened to
violent fens like the first time that I had independent
income and like the ability to go through the cassette

(01:06:18):
tape you know at whatever the store was called at
the wall back then, it was like I like sought
it out. I thought it was like illegal bootleg stuff
like that wasn't allowed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
So what was the typical music that you were listening
to with the Osmond's, Like I.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Mean Osmond's of course, but like Simon and Garfunkel, you know,
my parents had great taste in like family music, classic things. Yeah,
I loved, But then I got turned onto Indigo Girls
and Dar Williams and Sean Colvin and like I just
kind of had like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
A deep orient on Colvin.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Sean Colvin?

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Wow, so is that? How are you listening to that?
In secret?

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
Once I started working on I was fifteen at Teddy
Bears Frozen Yogurt and I always had discretionary come to
buy music.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
He was just talking about how he's in Utah or Colorado.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
What were your Colorado years?

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
My Colorado years? I left in eighty nine. Oh wow,
So I was it was Teddy Bears and it was
Golden Swirl frozen yogurt.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
So you were a froo.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
I used my experience at Teddy Bears to leverage a
lead employee position at Golden Swirl, which I yeah, entrepreneurial
about it always always yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
I connect with this. I remember my song was the
Roof by Mariah Carey and it was just about like
the rain hitting her skin on the roof while she
made out with who we found out later was Derek Jeter,
and that that was her sexual awakening. And I believe
I was eight or nine listening to it, and there
was something about it that I didn't need to really
understand it to understand it, you know. And music is

(01:07:52):
special like that, Yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Think it is, and like and when it comes from
a source and you think it's like another world, like
there is another world and realm that exists that I
have not yet been introduced to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
And I want to And how are people even thinking
to express themselves like this exactly?

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
Because it never would have occurred to me?

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Right, But that song in particular, did the brother tell
you who? Like who the violent thims were?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
What this like?

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
I just like it happened it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
That song is clear and and occluded, you know what
I mean, It's I just understood it. I don't know
I felt it like awakened me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Okay, I wanted to Yeah, you wanted to stay in
the sheet. You know, things about stains in the sheets.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
I don't even know why.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
You know they were eating dinner and bed all over them.
That's what it was.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
It could be a million things. Let's not ask questions.
Just listen and feel the music.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
But it's you know what it is, It like that
song and very in particular. We say this word a
lot serrated unforgettable. Basically it's like there, it's it's it's rough.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
I understand srated exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
You know what I mean, lots of right serrated. You
you know you've had to cut through your life absolutely, Yeah,
I love that answer because it's private, you know what
I mean. It's like it's like a very private, explicit,
illicit thing and just had to rub against everything you

(01:09:35):
had been told about like the way you should feel
and just that as the culture that made you. How
their guys say culture was for her is like you
can you can feel the memorability of that and like it's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
It's tangible like this, I'm not going to be able
to be who I'm expected to be. This is going
to be harder than you know it's quite queer. Oh,
I feel I have like I feel like I feel
like I write from a queer perspective. I really do
like I feel like my books have quite a queer perspective.
If I'm allowed to say this appropriate.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
You are it's about it might be queer.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
I'm only fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
You're breaking out of a boundary, breaking out of something
that you know someone else has sort of like boxed
you into, and now you're in control of. Well, I'm
going to get into the box because that's part of
my process, that is part of my identity. Is an artist,
a writer, you know, all of these things, a public figure,
all these things should be you know, I think are

(01:10:32):
already driven by that idea.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I'm being a little like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Well, I'm totally with you. And in terms of culture,
I mean, think of your podcast and speaking on culture, Like,
isn't there something like fascinating about the fact that, like
I came out and like my only mentors of culture
are housewives, Like these are the women that like I
am figuring out how to be, how to form my
life after. I mean, think about when you came out,
like you have to like think of who who what

(01:10:59):
kind of person am am I going to be, And
I have no examples of that. I know, I knew
no divorced women thriving with their own business is none.
And so now it's like, and I see women now
that have overcome and have resilience. Erica Jane is a
huge inspiration to me. The way that she is just
like it reinvented and she's you know, I just admire that,

(01:11:19):
like the tenacity, the resilience, the grit, Like it is
not hard, It is not easy out there and it
is not easy to come back from like people being
really horribly cruel. You know, I feel it's still shining.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Yeah, I feel like also when you went on Ultimate
Girl's Trip one of and that was a hard season
to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
It's so hard because you realize quickly that you're a
guppye in the fish bowl. And I didn't come in
thinking like I really did come in like a family
excited to make fun TV with these incredible dynameters. That's
how I feel about it. Like for me, the creative
process of it is like I am a theater kid.
I grew up doing road shows and family performances and

(01:11:59):
talent shows, and like I was a pianist, Like this
is like what I love to do. So like it
seemed fun, like we're gonna have theme nights and dinners
and we're gonna all give each other shade and laugh
and like you don't understand or expect kind of the
menacine or the meanness of it. And I I really learned.
I mean that's when I became really close with Alexian Marisol.

(01:12:22):
So there, like I was with them on Sunday at
the Miami game, like we are close. I love Alexian Marisol.
They are the real deal. And they they defended me
right out the gate on that trip, and they also
gave Whitney hell for not you know, supporting me, like
they were true, true friends. And so I think those
types of dynamics give everyone an opportunity to kind of

(01:12:44):
show their true colors.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Yeah, I mean, there's the mistake that I'm going to
say as a non housewife, but I'm gonna I'm gonna
kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
You could be one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Soa there's a miss So there's a mistake housewives make
what I think Giselle's guilty of constantly, which is like
it's it's the way that like some people think, like
meanness is funny by default, especially like when like when
guys like flirt with you, like they're like they kind
of like neg you a bit, like they're mean to you,
and you're like, wait, no, that's not that's not not

(01:13:14):
as charming or that's not winning anyone over the way
you think it is. And I feel like Gizelle and
a certain subsect of housewives do that where they're like,
let me be let me just be nasty and cruel
and then like let me drum up this like inane
drama with like this class zul Bottle. It's like who
that was so lame? It just also wasn't fun to watch.
Do you think she would have been kinder to you

(01:13:35):
if the cameras weren't rolling? And has she been kinder
to use.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Something totally kind of me off camera? There's some moms
with three daughters, you know, like she's she's like, we
had fun, didn't we?

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Then like did we?

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
We did not have fun?

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Ma'am. I mean, I had like a really nasty comment
about our friend Joel Penis size and then.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
It was racist. It was racist, but it was it
was just.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Like not cool, and then we were checking in with
him and he was like, no, I thought we were
totally great. Just like kind of an example of someone
who's one way and then another, which I sometimes wonder.
I'm like, do people think we can't tell, oh, we
can't tell? You know? Well? But then again there she
is a success on the show year after year, clearly
they keep her, but she's I don't know's she's a

(01:14:17):
success in her little fiefdom.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
She's a success and a very limited capacity, like no
one outside of like this fandom specific to Potomac gives
a ship.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
She makes things happen, which is what I think.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
So I also think honestly, she's incredibly beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
She's very beautiful, and definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
She's intoxicating on screen to me, like she can be
saying mean things. I'm just like, I mean, I I
want and the green eyed vanted that. I just fall
for the green eyed vand it quite a bit, which
sometimes messes with me too, because I'm like, I should
be prettier.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
I always know Diamond doesn't pretty people everywhere, doesn't doesn't
really work on.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
It actual.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Ewhere. It's I always want. I always try, like even
with the ones that I'm on record year after year,
like it's just because people act like themselves, you know
what I mean? Like And I guess you kind of
learned that after a certain point, and even when you
go back to shoot Salt Lake season after season at
a certain point, this is now the sixth season that's airing,

(01:15:21):
I bet you've arrived the fact that, like you know what,
this person is just always going to be themselves. When
do you stop trying?

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
Well, I'm a I'm never going to stop trying to
stop you just a court just to just like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
You never you never even stop.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
Trying with Jen No and Jen is Jen was you know,
a course and a friend. And I love people, I
sometimes say brain on fire, like I love friends where
they keep me on my toes and like everything they
say is interesting or pelemic or you know, just challenging.
And I don't know if that's just trauma or what.

(01:16:00):
I don't know what that's about. But like, there is
a part of me that thinks I can be good
enough to this person that they will change and like
me eventually or treat me well eventually. I believe I can't.
You could a therapist could tell me that's never gonna happen,
and be like I can like I can love them
through what I can't and I know I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
But your your view of friendship is that it allows
for the challenging stuff, the polemics stuff, the stuff where
you're like, this is not like there's no such thing
as like this is not how a friend should talk
to me necessarily, Like is that what you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
Like, well, it's just like I know they're horrible, but
they're hurting, Like, I'll get the cage, I'll get the
cage animal, I'll show them that they can trust me
as long as they're I'll get them to treat me well,
as long as they don't hurt you.

Speaker 6 (01:16:43):
I think that's what frustrated that. It's that is the
thing I think as a fan watching the show with you,
Heather Gay is we just want you to know you
you deserve better of friendships too, like you fought so
hard in all these acpects of your of your life,

(01:17:05):
and that I do think there is something with female
friendship where you want to believe some of these women
are going to treat you better. And I remember with
Jen because obviously you know we're fans for the record,
well we wish that you would so with Jen, though
I mean, when it felt like you kept making excuses.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
For her and you know, kept up a certain ruse
with Jen. Now she's gonna be really pretty soon. How
are you feeling about that?

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Just not really feeling anything, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Will you make a call?

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
Oh no, I don't think. I think that I have
closed the door on that for good reasons, you know,
and like but never, I mean, I don't know what
the future holds. But like, I also feel like kind
of my whole arc on Housewives, like, you know, maybe
Jen is coming back, you know, and that's my perfect exit.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
How you know, how possible do you think that is
that she comes back? Well that I never think of Well,
first of all, they're they're both different questions. But how
possible do you think it is that she comes back
and returns to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
I mean, I think as viewers of reality television, we
know that it's an absolute possibility. I mean, I think
is I think is human beings on the planet Earth
know what television is about. Ridiculous to say that it's
not a possibility, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
And then in turn the idea of you than leaving
the show.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
It wouldn't be gen related, but it would just it
would just be the timing of everything.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Sure, sure, I mean, so then you're saying that you've
closed that chapter on Jen that like you are you are,
you're someone who is generous with friendship. You allow for
a lot, but then when it's done, it's done.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Yeah, it's done. It's done for now for me, okay,
But of course I have no idea where it's at
for Jen and what's on her side. And I'm so
you know what I.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Mean, because I'm trying this back to like you having
to like permanently in some way, permanently say goodbye to
luck to the people in your past from leaving the church,
like you are, you have, you have a model for this,
and that's that's that's a good that that's a good
way to move through the world in some cases, like
you say goodbye to people in your life with some permanence.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
Yeah, and things tend to get better. And so I'm
I'm that scared me for a long time, but it
doesn't scare me as much anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
That's a huge moment in life is actually realizing, you
know what, I'm going to be okay without this person,
and I could be okay without these this person, like
because sometimes it's because when you are indoctrinated in what
you what you are understanding to be like empathy and goodness,

(01:19:54):
it's like once you let that go, you can like
people are harder. People are the harder. Yeah, Like that's
the thing, It's true. Yeah, And so I think that's
why it's like it's harder to understand, but you do.
You can understand it. As a viewers, it's like you
are someone who cares a lot and we can even

(01:20:16):
see that and feel that from you, even knowing you
as well as we do, which we went on one
sick vacation and we've hung out an award show where
we get to say it's real, guys, it's really just
because you want to know what like, we do consider
you a friend because we can tell how much you
genuinely care and that comes to the screen. It really does.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
I love the show, I love the women I have.
It has changed my life forever, and it's like an
incredible privilege to do what we do and to like
have access and to like be and can parting with
you guys like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
You can take.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
You know what I mean. And it was really it's
just like there's I just feel like, I don't know
how my life could get better.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Yeah, that's really, that's wonderful. One last question before you
move on to I don't think so, honey. Were you
guys having fun together at the Culture Awards, Like were
the Salt LA Housewives? Were you guys able to put
things to the side.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
At least that, Yeah, we're the queens of that. We
had the best time. Plus when we're on top and
we're there and everyone like, yeah, it felt like we
were the biggest stars.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
And were so wonderful to us.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
I mean, you think we're going to bicker about no, Yeah,
like we I mean there is genuine love there on
my side for all of them. You know, they have
changed who I am. They have shaped who I am there,
they are why I'm here and who I've become, which
is crazy, you know, because so much of my life

(01:21:41):
was shaped by such different forces. And so, yeah, we
had the best time. Like I laughed, I cried, I wept.
I'm not even gonna say it was better than cats
because it and it was. It was just like everyone
had such a good time. And did you guys hear
how Angie harassed gold Blew?

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
No, what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
Well, I will tell you that. Like, she had good intentions,
but her presentation was awful. She went up to him
and said, my daughter loves dinosaurs. Will you make her
a video?

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
I mean, if only he knew, I was probably, but
then she bad pedaled and made it all make sense.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
But I was like, that's not your line. You have
to I think did he made a beautiful video?

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Am?

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
Oh my gosh. And his wife they were great.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
But I think Jeff and Angie are on the same
brave wing wavelength of reality. It's curious people who just
you know, are you know just She's like, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
She likes oh, absolutely, it's a specific dinosaur. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
It was just like they were off to the race,
two characters talking you and I'm telling you, like, it
made my heart leave out of my chest to see
you guys like having fun together.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
I hope we see more of that on the show
this season. So before we go, honey, what's what's the
come on the season?

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
To come on the season. There's a lot of really
really fun fun laughter. We have a lot of fun.
We wear a lot of costumes. We are into our themes.
You know, you do see us go on a yacht
with Captain Jason. It is a jam.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
It really is hot, so hot, so.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
Hot, and it's just a battle of me be Britney
obviously miserably.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
We have to say Brittany has definitely stepped into her iconography.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
Listen, Brittany should know that she may have a short
game on the opp but I've got a long game
and is in a few months. She should beware. You know,
I have history with Captain Jason. I plan to, like,
you know, lean in on that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
I'll know where the party.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Is absolutely and I just think there you'll see some
growing pains in some of our friendships. And I think
that it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
You know, I go to Greece. We go to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Greece ofa and we that's the best moment. I mean,
Greece was spectacular. And there's a moment where were on
a hill with one of Angie's family members and I
felt like I was on vacation, like I forgot.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
That I was, you know, working as it were, we
never say work.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
We forgot that we were on a girls trip friends
in Greece.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Yeah, right, exactly, all.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Right, well we forgot the scene saying I know I
do admire how people on all the shows are like
not you never said the show, it's the group. Well,
when we were not never the reunion well in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
In New York, New York.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
But you know what a lot of the dramas cand
of be is. When we were at the last Culture.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Awards, stop, are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
An audible gas.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
An audible gas from our executive producer. There's drama post
Culture Awards.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
Well, depending on how well this get said, it is
sure I will say if we s so a lot
of things went down inter group.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Are they going to cut to the Culture Awards and
a flashback?

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
I hope they can do my very best to make
sure they do. Oh, oh my god. I don't know
if you know who I am, but receipts prooved, Oh
we know mine screenshots and I believe a lot of
it's on footage at the lure.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
All I want is for at re union someone to
go to someone else. You owe me an apology for
what you said at the Cultural Awards, for what you
did at the Culture Awards. We were at the Culture
Awards and you were disrespectful.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Bloom listen, Jeff Goldbloom's just the tease. We have three
or four storyline, things that happened there that will come up.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
So you were disrespectful to what ben Platt was singing.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
You got into it with her introduce Lisa to a
couple of people she didn't recognize. Listen, here's what we'll say.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Here's what we'll say if there are cutaways to the culture.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
If the Culture Awards is mentioned in any you know,
explicit way, you will be getting a recurrent yearly invitation.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Is that all it takes inventive.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
I'm just kidding, is for literally the Cultural Awards to
come up, and then me and Bowen come out and
gowns as friends of and sit at the end of
the couch, just both I think, And then I go.

Speaker 6 (01:26:18):
You owe me an apology, and I say, you're a
friend of.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
From across from no Man's land all the way when
you're sitting on the end screaming on each other. I
wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
She was so missed so much, I know, and like
we were all text well not all. I was texting
her the day before and saying, listen, just you know,
go off your phone for like forty eight hours. It's
gonna be real painful.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Missed you. You would definitely miss.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
And she was so phenomenal in this first episode.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
She really was.

Speaker 4 (01:26:50):
It was like, but if you had been there, it's
like she's in Oliver First.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I've lost my entire fortune. Yeah, you know it was
like that. There was something about the fortune. Yes, yeah,
at one.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Point she said fortune. I think they softened it, but
it was like, fortune is gone.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
I do. Fortune is one of my words. I like
to say my fortune. I love fortune. Say you know
has a great fortune, fortune of beauty.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
That's why we use fortune.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
All right, we gotta do. I don't think so, honey.
It's time to get our giggles out about things in culture. Okay,
so this is our sixty second segment where we take
exactly that amount of time one minute to rent and
rail against something in culture. I have a thing. I've
realized that something that I never thought i'd have to.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Do is going to be something I will gotta do. Okay,
this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as
time starts now, I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Don't think so, honey. I think I have to learn
to ski. I've started seeing someone who's and it's a
big part of this person's life, and I feel like
it was already a big part of my sister's life,
and I thought this was a good thing to bring
up on this episode because I don't think, so honey,
me skiing ever before this, I really do feel like

(01:28:05):
I'm gonna get hurt. And what I really don't think,
so honey, is an injury at this point in my life,
Like who needs a torn al at thirty five? You know,
I don't think, so honey, that being I'm told it's
quote unquote fun. I'm told it's quote unquote easy to do.
In the beginning the bunny hills, I know those sound
kind of simpler because a bunny is a very simple animal,
the way it hops, et cetera. But the thing is like,

(01:28:26):
I don't know about me and my coordination. I'm a
six foot one man second, not known for my dexterity,
and but I would say, you know what I'm saying,
It's like I was never good at like the surfing,
and this, the snowboarding or whatever side second is so
new to me. I will try. I don't think, so honey, though,
if I get really hurt, you have to pay for it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Oh oh, and how did I get you?

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
And I don't think so honey, rebettal to that I
don't think you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Can't want Yes, this will count is yours and then
we'll go to me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
No. You probably came in with the topic.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
No, and I was panic is gonna make you guys?
Now I've got one.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Let's ta okay, okay, this is Heather Gaze. I don't
think so, honey. Oh, I caught another historic episode. We're
going out of order. This is Heather Gaze. I don't
think so many her time starts now.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
I don't think so, honey. Matt Rogers using I need
to learn to ski as a ploy to let us
all know about his Mars press and the fact that
he might need some extra help on the hill. Also,
I don't think so, honey, Away for him to say,
I'm gonna need a lot of support. Don't expect too much.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
I have to pay for it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
Yeah, Like he's doing everything he can to make sure
he gets some hot ski patrol guys to guide him
down the bunny iron, a saana and a hot rub.
This is gonna be harder than it looks. I don't
think so, honey. Matt Rogers pretending that he's scared about
getting hurt to ourn acl when you're over a fifty baby,
your body is in great shape, and all you want

(01:29:51):
is for us to tell you you're not gonna get hurt.
You're a natural athlete. You're gonna be a stats Also,
surfing has nothing to do with skis a boardy neither.
So your plight is unheard and like you're gonna be
just fine, and wow, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
I just need to shut the fuck up.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
I don't think I don't want to get hurt this body.
It's the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
You are so good at skiing.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
You are honestly, I didn't know if this is a joke,
the episodes from Utah. I don't just moonlight there. I
am so bowen. I'm just an Eskimo Ski Club Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
I was so.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
I was a Keystone guy. I was a Keystone boy.
We still go there.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
You were beaver Creek veil.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
I love beaver creeking veil. I need you guys to
hit the slopes. I would have loved that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
Okay, go on and I will absolutely do anything together.
Did you see us weeping together.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
The way that I saw you? Guys absolutely connect? Think also,
can I can I just share a little thing that
happened in that same gazebo.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
Please.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
So I'm over on the side with with Amanda and
Sierra from Summerhouse, who are both perfect and so Kyle
just stunning. And so we had been hanging out a
lot with Amanda but Sierra because because we were all
doing the like Amazon or something. So it was finally

(01:31:18):
they were all linked up, and so DJ Kyle Cook
was doing DJ Kyle Cook cool boy stuff out there
opening up the Ludicrous. So Kyle comes in and he's
amped because he just crushed. He's like he was just
acting like he was like a kid on Christmas. I love.
It was awesome, So like, dude, it was so great, dude,

(01:31:40):
and then Ludicrous's person starts the opening. DJ starts playing,
so Kyle's like, we gotta go, we gotta go, and
then like Kyle runs off, a bunch of people follow Kyle,
and I'm like, okay, we're gonna go, and Amanda goes,
I haven't even gotten a new gless of wine. Can
we take a second. And Sierra is still sitting and
she's like, I know, And I realized this is my

(01:32:01):
moment to be cool in front of Sierra Miller, so
totally against my personality. I'm usually running after Kyle Cook.
So I go, I go in front of and Amanda.
I go, yeah, like why are we running? And Sierra
goes yeah. For a second, I was like doing drag

(01:32:24):
to be cool enough, and then I like got to
sit down and like talk to them for a second
and I was just like hell, yeah, I did it.
And then a half second later, AKA, now I'm like uncool.
But I saw my second and of course then you
heard yeah, and I was like out there. But then

(01:32:45):
we had such an amazing see you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
You got on their level as like like you you
got a code switching.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
Icon, You're talking to a Mormon house spywitch. It's all.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Yeah, it was. It was, truly it was. It was
a good moment for me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Lots happened in that because a lot goes down on
the gazebo.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
I was spread of man, loved it, loved it all. Okay,
so I've lost the phone, it's fallen under Okay, I'll
do quick.

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
He left out of one bowen yanks.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now,
I don't think so, honey. Of the fact that I
did not wait to get my first botox at Beauty
Lab and Laser.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
I got it done at the German.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
And I really genuinely was holding out on the next
time I go to Salt Lake City, whenever that will be,
I will get my first okay, botulism and join talks
talks talks. I'll get my first talks in my face.
My guy's a minimalist, he says. I say, I have
to raise my eyebrows and express myself for work. He says,
I'll go minimal This shit is crazy. Thirty seconds, I'm

(01:33:47):
I'm I'm new to this. You look amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
You seem so surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
This is this is?

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Do I do? I?

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
I seem so surprised. Can I what's my range? I
don't know about this. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm to
really ease up on it. I try it. Maybe not
for me all the time, maybe now and then in
like the summer when I'm like, oh, like, I'm you know,
I want to look dewey. But I should have waited
to go to Beauty Lab and Laser. A sight of
five second history television culture history. I'm sorry I did

(01:34:14):
not go and be a patron to your business.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
How they're gay.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
Compored for life, and you look perfect, and that's one minute.
I will say, it looks great, raise.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
Your eyebrows for me, and now make an angry face.
This is my.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Elevens are still there?

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Who advised him?

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
See, my dorm says he'll only ever give it, So
I have it in between my uh, your eleven brows?

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
You're eleven? Yeah, but my it's actually the triangle of sadness.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Okay, so I have it in my triangle of sadness,
I suppose. But my dorm says he'll never give it
to me on my forehead because my brow is too prodounce, uh,
flat and thick. What do you think about this? And
I'm worried about my own grimys.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
When a guy says to me that he'll never give
it to me in the area I have asked, I
usually break up them. Oh oh my god, that works
for botox, that works for same, that works.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
For well, you know what he says to me. He goes,
well he's gonna do We'll do your elevens. And then
he goes and maybe a little bit over here, he's like,
but I'll never do your forehead because I don't want
your you're you're proud because he wants me to be
expressive as an actor, which of course, but then I
was like, but what about my understunde?

Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
I am not expressive as an actor. I cannot even
lift a muscle on my face. I don't know if
I'm smiling or crying or shocked and have Do you
not feel my you feel it all?

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
We feel it all?

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
Then not do not fear the needle, fear the furrowed
lines that will aid you prematurely well like vulnerably.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
The only thing I'm really like, not good about is
like just my bags under my eyes and like the
like the wrinkles under my eyes are here. He goes,
you are a candidate for a lower bleffo, and I
was like, oh what.

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
A lower bleffo?

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
A lower bleffo, a lower bluff oplasty. So now I.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
Just think there's something sexual that only Duram said.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
I gave him on the slopes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
But I need a lot of help coming down the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Mountain and I need a bleffo stat geez. But yeah no,
now now just bleffo is something in my vocabulary. I'm
telling everyone, Well, you know I'm a candidate.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
You know you can give you ask ask the housewives saying,
have you had an upper left upper blaff or lower bluff?
We just say bluff b L.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
E P A P. So when I go to Bravo,
I'll just say bluff LB.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
I'll do a U bupper bluff. Anyways, well, Heather, I
think we should take Matt to kay ski weeek or something.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
For sure, I'm on board.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
Would be left to coax you down the mountain. No
torn a c l on my watch.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
I will be so good at the app ray part.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
That's the only thing that matters, is.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
The funnest part. But you have to do the it's
it's it's interesting. You do have to like suffer through
the actual to make the upper even more enjoyable.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
Yeah, you have to feel the cold in order to
enjoy the hot exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
I get it. Okay, Well much in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Listen, guys, Saltlake City, I am your hostess. All the
wives are your host is.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Well, we're gonna have to do like a couple of
days with you, a couple of days with Ann.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
We'll just do an airbnb and we'll I'll bring them
all in one by one. I'll make sure that they,
you know, kiss the ring before they're allowed to become
before they're invited.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
So Angie, Angie's first ever Watch What Happens Live was
with Bow and Yang.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
And she was so she was like nervous, she was nervous.
She was so nervous. And she still thanks me to
this day for making her feel at ease. And that
was that a time when I didn't know how to
feel about Angie because she was so new to being
an official housewife, and I was like, I don know,
like I love Meredith, Like does what does this mean?
Just the sweetness was so apparent. I was like, Oh,

(01:37:50):
she's she's just an angel on this earth. I can
already tell you just have no choice but to be
nice to this person.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Yeah, she's love.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Shauna left over there and then and you know, we
just about it. She gave me her number. She's like,
you were invited anytime.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
She's I mean, she's wonderful. She also has a sliced
tongue of great shade, which we should not despair, if
we should honor equally. I love it. I mean I
forget she has the range eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
I think it's actually an All.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
Timers are all timers, they really are.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
My daughter loves dinosaurs. Can you make a video?

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
Yeah, my daughter loves from his face.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
She's a great communicator.

Speaker 5 (01:38:34):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
We can see how expressive you are.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
You are one of our great vessels of pathos and joy.
You experience it all. You reflect the human condition back
to us as we watch. Heather Gay, thank you so
much for coming on our humble podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Yes, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
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Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
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Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
We end every episode with the song thank you for
being a friend. Travel down the road. I'm back again.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Your heart is true. You're a pel and a confident.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
I actually said friends in a confidant.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
Am I allowed to join in? Or is that like?

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
That is perfect?

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
And if you're a part.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
In battle, every one you knew.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
You get me and the corn and tas would.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
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Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yet,
executive produced by Anna Hasbier and produced by Becca Ramos.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
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Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
Yeah,

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