"We ❤️ Our Customers" (w/ Demi Lovato)

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, hey, hey, or should I say ho ho ho?
It's me Matt Rogers And in the words of another
Christmas icon, it's time. I'm back with my new nationwide tour,
Matt Rogers Christmas in December. Yes, it's time to remember
when Christmas is. I'm hitting the road all of December
with Henrykoperski and the whole band performing my album Have

(00:24):
You Heard Of Christmas, along with a bunch of other
little surprises. So if you're in La San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Philadelphia,
d C. New York City, Boston, Toronto, Chicago, or yes, Orlando, Florida.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I want to see your gorgeous ass.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Go to Matt rogersofficial dot com or head to my
Instagram at Matt Rogers though and hit the link in
my bio. Until then, stream the album, get your look
together and get ready to deck the damn halls at
a venue near you Christmas in December. You in my
heart XO XO, Santa Boy, Look.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Marire, Oh, I see you, my ow and look over
there is that the culture? Yes? Wow, lost culture.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Ding dong, lost culture calling.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
What do you think is in the air right now?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Fall fall?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Spooky season for sure?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I haven't been spooked at all. Can I say that's
not been a part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I think we're about to get spooked though.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
We're about to go to New Orleans for our friend
Joel Kim Booster's bachelor party.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Did you know it's New Orleans gay Halloween weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
I think someone new, someone in the group new, Otherwise
they wouldn't have picked New Orleans for that week. I
think this is all very intentional, not certainly, not on
our parts. We're just along for the ride.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's targeted. It's targeted.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
But here's the thing about gay weekend vacation. It just
so happens to I faced this in Peedetown two because
it's like the thing about New Orleans and also Pete
Town is well, maybe more New Orleans than town, but
they talk about the food in New Orleans, and so
I'm really gonna want to center your gumbo, your begnets, begnets,

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your and more.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
And more, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Food. And then at the same time it's like a
gay Halloween weekend, you know what I'm saying. It's like
you don't want to necessarily be full of the bula
bass when you're trying to shake that ace.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, I want that's really good?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I want a bullet to get me in the bass?
You want to you want in your base?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well, bullet in bullet in my base is Oh my god,
Ratitui would love this song. But I have to say
he wouldn't because that's not his name.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
That's not which do you remember finding that out? Holy fuck?

Speaker 4 (02:59):
That was when you knew that that movie was for adults.
There wasn't it was to.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Go firing on other cylinders. Well that's that.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
The title is a peasant vegetable dish and not the
cute little mouse. Yeah, like that was when they Pixar
went this one. This one's a thinker and yeah, and yeah,
we're gonna we're gonna trick the kids into the theater
with these little mice and the posters him, you know,
surrounded by knives against the door. I don't remember that

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ever happening in the movie. Then it becomes a whole
treatise on art and the joy of cooking and romance
in Paris. So right, A tu wee doesn't have any
I would say cage in New Orleans food in it?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Can I tell you something I've never seen it?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Are you serious.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't really What can I come out of?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Are you serious?

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't really watch the Disney movies. I don't watch
the Disney movies. I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
There not a part of my culture that I can.
I don't do that. I go I I I don't
do the Disney films.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Are you no? One not like? I don't?

Speaker 5 (04:10):
You know?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I don't watch the movies. I like to go on
the rides. It's a cost conception. What was the last
you saw? We'll get this in today's episode of the podcast.
We have Demi Lovato on famous Disney star, very very
remy from Ratitude narrative, used to be a Disney star

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is now for gay adults, very remy narrative. But in
this episode which you're about to hear, this is really
just a little appetizer if we're going with the Remy
meal metaphor, which we are for a gay adults, for me,
when I go to when I go to f cot
remys for gay adults, sure it's.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
This gay adult I should and we should just also
clear up bulla basse is a French stew and it's
not Cajun. We also must be we're gonna get reamed
by the cooks out there.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Oh no, reamed by the cooks. I don't hate that side.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
This weekend. You fucking fags a chef to fuck me?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh, I would love a chef to fuck me. You know,
have I ever been fucked by a chef? No, let
me think about that while I am I was gonna say.
Demi Lavado mentions the movie Soul. In this episode of
the Disney movie Soul that maybe was the last like
Disney one. No, I did see that. I remember leaving
being like, eh, okay, well.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
That came out during COVID, so you left the room,
you left the room that you watched them. And when no,
I mean I watched it.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I remember I watched it in my La apartment and
I was just like, ey, this one wasn't really in
for me.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I kind of need, like I kind of need either.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
One of two things, like a lot of music or
a big gay villain who dies in like an overdrawn way.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I've talked about this on the show.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
If you don't give me either one of those things,
it's like not the Disney movie for me, but it
is the Disney movie for Demi. Levada, which she says
in the episode, and I'm so happy for her for
that reason. Then the new album.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
You know, I'm very happy for the new album, for
for her and for myself. I'm happy for everybody, I
really And I think this is a moment we're not
playing here. I think this is a moment for the
culture where if we do right by this album, we're
not being like paid to say this, Like, if we
do right by this album as a culture, as a community,

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we will be okay.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I genuinely believe that.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
And let me tell you something. They try to pay
us to say things and we always say no.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Actually tea besides the ada, besides the ads.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Besides the ads that we're paid to stay by the
way I try to tell us.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
They just try to tell us, and sometimes they do
and it works in the ads. But first of all,
any ad you get for like the military or for
some quote unquote agency in this fucking country of ours
is not something that we ever put on the show.
And we actually do have a connection every week and
we do like bring it up to the fucking top.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Brass, Oh take this off. Oh yeah, if you're bringing
out like an ad for the air force on this podcast.
Please let us know.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Wait a minute, we will. We will fly right in
as it were.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, I wanted to say something, but what do you
want to say? Nothing, Well, I'll tell you later. Oh see,
see what we're not being authentic?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
No, no, this is between this is between, this is
between me and Mint. Oh yeah, we're having a big
Demi era, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well, I'm saying, if we do right by this album,
it's not that deep out this Friday, October twenty fourth,
you will really really be happy. I think I think
we will be dancing during spooky season. There will be
something to really bring the community together on Halloween, no
matter what the community is, no matter how you.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Listen to me, my lips, your lips take me to
the core. Risks, I kiss for fun, It's fun to kiss.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Lyrics, lyrics, music and lyrics, A movie starring h Grant
and Drew Barrymore. Also, the things that this album excels
at music and lyrics, I really think you'll enjoy.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Well, it's actually so crucial that an album will excel
at both music and lyrics. Actually, really culture number nine,
it's actually so that album excel at the music and lyrics.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
I would say this one does it in spades. Oh yeah,
any other updates. I think we are really loving this.
We've done this a couple of times in the past
where I think with the Cape Lynchet episode, we did
a little thirty minute chunk up top of just my
sister and I to keep things up to date.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
And I really dig this. I really like this.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Well, I basically like, I was really excited today because
it's a it's a very fall day and I sort
of got to dress in this new fall away because
I don't know if you know by looking at me,
but I clearly went to the Red Hook Flea.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
You know what I mean. They sell zip up Massoni
vests at the Red Hook Flea. Look at this. Can
you just get into it? You look amazing.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I saw it and Melissa was like, I think you
need that, and I was like, I don't know. Now
take me to the chorus.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
You look like you're about to.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Be a really handsome, three character, three episode arc on
Succession if that show was still.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
On, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I do feel a little bit like what Jeremy strong
Like would wear outside of the boardroom in that show.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yes, yes, style icon by the way, he looked amazing
this weekend.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
At By the Way, so did you. But I didn't
even really know what that event was. And it was
like a fashion event.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yes, they were trying to make it sort of like
a West Coast version of another famous museum gala, The Man. Yes,
but I don't want to compare to I know, I'm
not really.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I do I want to compare, okay, But truly, what
a fun night and some looks were turned. Nicki Campbell
had Nicki Kmbell had a fun, starky thing to say
about my ownident. It felt like a dream come true.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Nicki Cambell is constantly saying I'm in the wrong color,
and what I want to say to him is that
color color productive? Oh so here, I'm sorry, but he
recently said something was good that was bad, and I'm like, see,
it's subjective.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Nicky Campbell is really helping me get back to that
place that I took for granted during the Fashion Police era,
where I'm like, I disagree with this opinion and that's okay,
and this actually applies to every kind of thing in life.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Hopefully I'm actually gonna bravely say what I thought was
bad that he thought was good and a lot of
people are talking about it, and I do think it's culture,
and I do think it's gay culture, and so I respect,
I respect the parties involved for creating gay culture with this,
and I do think it's smart for the movie. But
what Alexander Scarsguard just wore to the It was like

(11:03):
a white almost halter top and like black leather pants
with Yeah, he looked hot, but that that top didn't.
That top didn't look right on him.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
I disagree, but see you disagree. I looked amazing, It
looked incredible.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Maybe I'm wrong because then actually I did look at
Then I looked at again like two days later, and
I was like, okay, I mean it is working. Like
I am a little horny chest. Yeah, I definitely had
a chubb. But I was like, is that Alexander scars Guard,
especially him being so fluid or is that the look?
And I don't think it's the look. I think I
think he was very sexy in spite.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Of the look. Hmmm. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
See, that's like, that's where I come in on it.
Let me let me pull let's girl up, pull it
up again, because I'm in discussion. I just don't know
about the way that the top looks.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Are you looking at it? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
It's it's yeah, it's giving, it's giving, like donal Karen,
I think the darts. I think the dark. It's not
a dart, but it's like I think like the way
that there's a stitching like up along, up and down.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Is God?

Speaker 1 (12:05):
He is such a hot Okay, you know what I forget?
I said he looks amazing. He does look amazing. Also,
could do no wrong. I mean, he's is he number one?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
God?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
You go on Google images of Alexander Scar's Guard and
it's really a treat. It's actually really culture number four.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
You go on Google Guard and really really a treat.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
And I know, I'm sure a gem of a human
being as well. Good enough for.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Jack McBrayer enough well, they're like iconic besties. I know,
Jack McBrayer, come on the pod Fred Runner for best
five hands down.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh yes, that man is a vibe. He's really good.
He's really fun. I really enjoy him. I must. I
just have to say that.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
We shout outs. Really, I'm sorry. While you were doing that,
I was still feeling the free song about Alexander Scar's
Guard run through my head, which was I should make
him my phone background.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
But I think that's a bridge too far. Why is
that because I'm like a grown man? Well look at him? Okay,
So a couple of things.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
First of all, yeah, congratulations on another amazing banner week
on The Today Show with Jenna Oh thank you.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
You were fabulous. As always, a lot of a lot
of hot, hot, hot employees on the staff crushing on
my friend Matt Rogers.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Really didn't you. You guys had a whole thing where like,
oh oh no. She was saying that her one of
her mom friends was like, I like Matt Rogers.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I have a crush on Matt Rogers. I thought it
was this I there, it was someone on staff. Okay,
they would know it was a professional. It was.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
It was like her former assistant was texting her current assistant.
I wish Matt Rogers was straight, which is such a
kind thing to say when you're a straight woman. No,
I really do. I take that as a compliment. But
then she was saying that she was around a bunch
of mom friends who were saying they like me on

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the show, and I mean, like, I love going and
doing the show. I just don't think they're gonna want
to pay anyone to do that job.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's my thing.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Is Everyone's like, when is it going to be official?
I'm like, I'm not thinking of.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
It like that.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, I think there are a lot of factors surrounding
this that are out of our control.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yes, in this area to speak whatever we will, we'll
edit there.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
But I also want to say really quickly, I have
to commend the work a friend of the pod Brick Ashley.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I have been wrapped in her in her storytelling. Oh
my god.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
When it comes to the Osepho scandal of it all,
I don't think we have to spend too much time
on this, but it is, it is really I am
thinking about this situation a lot, very very very very
unfortunate for a lot of reasons. If you don't know,
one of the real houses, the Potomac Windy of Cepho
and her husband, Eddie Ocepho are allegedly in this sort

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of insurance fraud scheme that.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Is just just super unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
They apparently allegedly staged a burglary, reported these goods stolen.
They then return these allegedly stolen goods to the retailer
before the burglary allegedly took place, and then when he
was seen on social media with a piece of jewelry
after the burglary.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, they were arrested.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
They were arrested on multiple counts of felonies and other misdemeanors,
but all relating to insurance fraud. And this is the first,
I guess guest of our show that's been arrested for
felony crimes. I really hope this is some kind of
mistake that can get cleared up. But also I don't
think they go out of their way to make a

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full blown public arrest, like especially one that's as public
as this without there being something I will say that
makes me saddest about this is it's just well, yes, obviously,
but also like we saw them try a lot of.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Ways to make money, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Like she came in with this full blown you know,
identity as a professor, as someone who is very well educated,
you know, famously four degrees.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know, she also.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Had a has a career as a commentator, a political commentator.
She was trying to do a talk show, She tried
to do a home essentials line. There's now the weed business.
Like these are people that we saw try many different
ways to make money, and I don't know how successful

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those were or how things look on the outset, but
I just think it's really sad that people that are
as smart as this, or as accomplished as this, and
as that presented as such. You know, different types of
people felt that they needed to do something like this,
and I really hope that. I'm just I'm rooting for

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their innocence. And I think the whole thing is really
sad because I'm a doctor Wendy fan. And the final
thing I want to say is I blame Gazelle, I
blame j Oh.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I absolutely blame Gazelle and Robin.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I blame Gazelle, I blame Robin, I blame Ashley.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I blame them all.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Oh, Ashley Darby remains one of the dumbest people to ever.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
You posted that story of her being like, so I'm
going to the White House Correspondence dinner. And it's not
really a partisan thing. It's like, I mean, kind of is.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
When you, oh, according to who Ashley? According to her?
I guess in that moment on one of our great
great minds.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
I'm sorry, I go for I go for how stupid
these specifically these two people are, and it is sad that,
like whatever, I also root for Wendy.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
That's all. That's all I'm gonna say. I wrote for Wendy.
I think this is so shocking and so unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
For what what whatever happens, whatever the truth is, I mean,
none of it is right, but there's so many things
about this that are wrong. But I just think I
just think, you know, on a human level, it's like
you never it's just it's it's just a terrible system
that we live in, right that like motivates this kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
I just think, how the fuck did they think they
were going to get away with it?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
If that's what they were doing.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Amex doesn't play. Insurance doesn't play no, Like insurance will
come after you anything above what what like four hundred dollars,
five hundred dollars?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
No like that.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
The charge was insurance brought over three hundred dollars like
anything above that?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well it was so basically they claimed up to four
hundred and stolen goods because that was what their insurance
policy like require they claim, if you know what I mean. Like,
so even that just like barely getting over that little
you know, it's just all of it feels all of
it feels a little too dumb, which is why I'm

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hoping it's there can be something else that comes out
that clears them, just because I'm so devastated for they're
very young children, they have adorable family. Yeah, and you know,
I've always been I've always been a Wendy fan. But
then you know, who the fuck knows? We don't really,
we don't know these people.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
I mean, Brian Morland did a great breakdown on his
Housewives bulletin on Vulture, just like the tears of lying
that happens on Housewives, and I think just that just
happened in real life, but like this is the most serious.
I mean, it goes from like simple misunderstandings to like
you know, embellishing the truth all the way down to

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like criminal things right and.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Late.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Like the recent examples of this are perhaps this Wendy situation,
certainly the Katie Janella of it all on OC and
you know, classically Monica Garcia, like like they're like there's
there's just the thing, but the thing at the root
of all this is just not being able to reconcile,
like the real life versus what is being shown on TV,

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like the gilded exterior of what you want to show
on a television show, which is different than social media
where you can just control things. You are handing over
the edit to people that are not out there to
make you look good.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, I mean that's I guess, Like I think that's
what's the darkest about it is.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
It's just like.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Clearly like what was motivating them was like material stuff.
And at first I was kind of like, well, at
least this is a crime that doesn't harm anyone, you know,
like Genshaw's crimes like explicitly harmed people, Like so it's
and then I was thinking, yeah, but I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
It harmed their kids.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
I know.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
That's the thing that sucks is like the only people
this harms are your family. I thought about her mother,
like because she's got like, you know, like a tough
relationship with her mom. She was really having and hanging
about leaving her job as a professor. Her mother is
a Nigerian immigrant, Like she even wrote a book about
this experience, Like this is like a hard working, like

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very smart woman who tried a lot of things, and
it almost made me feel like oh God, And even
Whitney rose like opening up on salt Lake about her
business failing, Like, I do think there's some there's some
layer that's being pulled back now about because it did
feel like about four or five years ago there was
like this Housewives resurgence again, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Like I felt like.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Salt Lake doing so well and being in headlines and
then like you know, Bravo Khan exploding the way it did,
Like it felt like an industry again that was really
motivating these entrepreneurial attempts by the women. And one dark
side of that is that a lot of that is
going to fail. And so I think that it's honestly

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saving Whitney on the show because it felt like that
cast was getting so crowded for her to come out
and be like, hey, I I'm gonna be really honest
about this, like I did not succeed and she and
she was not shy at the time about being like
Justin lost his job. I'm putting everything into this. So

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then by the same token for her to now come
in and be like, hey, all that stuff I said
that was real. I really did sinkle out of my
stuff and it failed.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, is like making her, it's, you know, kind of yeah,
it gives her this really new thing to play with.
I don't think we've seen a lot of this in
the Housewives franchises. I think she's honestly about failure. I know,
it's actually it's it's very refreshing. We've always rooted for Whitney.
Here love Whitney. We love Whitney and especially loved her

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conversation with Brittany the Haunting.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
But can we say we love Brittany, But Brittany like
we are all Whitney in that moment, shaking you being
like you absolutely cannot date this man any further. If
your daughter is saying it's a hard line in the sand,
like you you cannot, and then the next step, but
she's like, we are back together, Brittany.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Brittany, if you're listening, we say this with just love.
I know you've been probably getting so much, you know,
caustic feedback from just the public, and that is that
is an awful sensation, and that is completely disorienting. Telling
you how to be a parent, we are we are
not necessarily here to do that, but we were here
to tell you in a situation like this, where one

(23:28):
thing is deleterious of the other. It seems like dating
Jared is really harming in a potentially permanent way your
relationship with your children, that's all. And it's going to
be documented, yes, and that's that's even more painful.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well, but you know what, though, she got to show
at fifty four below she's going the Luanne route.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
I love it, but been genuinely so talented. I'm not
to say that Luyanne isn't.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Here's the thing about Luyne. She's a star. I've seen
that show two times. I don't know if i'd call
her a vocal talent, but I would call her a star.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Oh an icon And I took down my post where
it was Bravo MG posting about how Luyne was cast
as the cowardly Lion. I took it down because it
was taking jabs at her quote unquote male voice. And
I was like, Okay, I don't want to do that. Well,
I mean yeah, I mean like like I don't want
I don't want like to like public. I don't know
like however she feels about that. I don't want that
to be You're.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Being sensitive about a comment about someone's gender. Vocal tamboer
that could that. Yeah, I mean that you're being sensitive.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
But it's the tambo.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Luyne has a man's voice, is a well trod I know, and.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't
want to keep grooming a well trod path. So I anyway,
but we're just saying we love Luwayne as well.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
We're just saying.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
One thing I'm saying about you is you're always grooming
the path of the untrodden.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I'm grooming a new path.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
You're always grooming. That's what I always say about But
when he is always grooming, I see him out your rooming.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yes, yes, yes, well.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I've been getting so I remember when I told you about.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
That allergy around my eye? Yes, how is it expelling?
You know what it is.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's just that I can't use any like makeup or
anything that's like scented. I guess I have to use
all clean products. I don't know when this happened. Late
right now, I kind of like I have to say, like,
this is my office. So I'm in my New York apartment,
and I'm really happy when I put my desk because
the light is really I'm so satisfied to have good

(25:23):
zoom lighting in here.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
And also like, we used clean makeup this week for
some stuff that we had to do, and I'm like, okay,
thank god, I'm not breaking out around my eyes because
that is frustrating when something with your skin rears is
stufthly head, it's I don't think so honey coated.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Also, take the fragrances out of make a period right?
Why I never got that unless if hey, if you,
if you love your fragrance scented makeup, let us know why.
We would love to get some perspective on this.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
What if I just started wearing white diamonds by Elizabeth Taylor?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Here we go, talk about Elizabeth Taylor and your.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
New such light Diamonds and Lovers of Forever? Can I
tell you why? Okay, So just to briefly touch on this.
If you don't like the song Elizabeth Taylor, two things,
it's fine. I'm not gonna get intense about it. One,
I just wouldn't want you around like my kids, Like
I wouldn't trust you, like I think you should go.
I think you're you're I wouldn't. I don't trust you.

(26:23):
And two you're not thinking of it as a Matt
Rogers character.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Oh, if you think of it as a me character,
you're gonna think Elizabeth Taylor is one of the great
songs of the American of the Global songbook. And if
we had to make the list again, it would be
in the top fifty. People don't understand her mind on
Elizabeth Taylor. They're not understanding her mind.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Would you say that the way into the album in
general is to think of her on this album as
a character.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, it could help, it could help.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
No, But here's the thing, like people are I think
now the dust has kind of settled about it and
people can start to talk about this album like human Beings,
Fate of Ophelia, Elizabeth Taylor, Opallite, father Figure, the first
four tracks, that is unreal, Like, that's really good. And
then I have the same complaints about eldest daughter that
everyone else does. But then we're back with Ruin the Friendship,

(27:21):
and Ruin the Friendship is classic Tailor, classic tailor.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
I you know, I had a really crazy delayed moment
with both Midnights and now in the last couple of days.
Ever more, you were always right. I should never I
should never doubt you. We might not be synchronized in
our opinions. But I will I will maybe meet you
at some we will intersect in them at some point.

(27:47):
Who's to say that I won't move past it just
to hear you.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Finally got on board with like a song like Maroon,
which is so good.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I never said Maroon.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
What song were you not feeling? For a Minute's Lavender Hayes.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, for some reason, I never I wrote off Lavender
has is like not one of her best openers on
an album.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
It's a Remy thing. It's you just had to grow up?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Fuck you wait, what what does remy mean?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
It's a Remi radite. I know I used to be
young and for kids. Then one day he fucked.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I don't understand mim and Midnight.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
No, the production of Lavender Hayes goes so hard anyway,
it's we're having Jake Shane on the show next week,
and we did a full episode with Jake way before
Life of a show Girl had come out, so we
don't even talk about it.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
It's a wonderful time capsule. That's a fantastic episode. This
is a fantastic episode.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Anything else before we throw it over to our conversation
with Demmy, Well, I love I did want to say,
speaking of the pop girls, I loved you grinding on
Sabrina and I did just want to ask you, like
for any bts when you when you and Sabrina were
sort of rubbing your private parts on each other all day.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
For comedy, Like, how did you break through the awkwardness
of that? Was it ever upward? Are you guys texting
a lot?

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Now?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Would are we going to see a bowen straight and
act itself? In real life? You and Sabrina Carpenter would
be an incredible power couple. I actually think that thank you.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Really?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
What makes you say you're like the Barry Keyogin of
gay guys?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
You're not?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
You kind of are actually you kind of are interesting.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Like I started off doing little smaller supporting roles and
then and then I and then I really found like.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Adam Gala getting a ViBe's Oscar, congratulations on your vibees Oscar.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
You know what was very very keyogan of me was
was was mister LORDI and I reconnecting on the flight
back to New York.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's really good. And so that's that's very very no.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
And and now I'm running I was running around my house,
my apartment today fully naked, and I did feel like
Barry at the end of Burn, a movie that I
might someday also come to really enjoy.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I think Saul Burn, like, looking back, I probably was
too hard on that. It's it's for it's fun. I
can't wait for weathering heights.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
I can't wait for weathering heights. I want to say that. Yes,
even with Life of a show Girl, even with a
lot of recent releases or not so recent releases, like
I think there's a latent period of like wait for this,
to wait for this to like congeal in the culture before,
Like I don't come out with like a rush to

(30:34):
take anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
No, it's just stupid because because honestly, like everyone's so
crazy when it first comes out. Like I also, just
like I said, like I've said a million times, it's
just not why music exists so that people can raise
to have a take on it. Even like the Swiftologist,
who I've been watching a lot of, like because that's
where I'm very smart. He even waits like he does
his like his like immediate reaction and then he.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
It was he waited two weeks for his Showgirl.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, and his Ultimately, his opinion is that Life of
a Showgirl is mid, and I even think that might change.
I don't think it's mid. I think there's I think
there's one song. I don't like canceled at all. I
just I don't like I don't like content about cancelation.
I don't like like. I just don't like any I

(31:21):
don't like talking about I don't like the word canceled like.
I just don't think it's it's it's not forward thinking.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
I think Taylor might be aware that this is her
album that she will leave behind as the one where
it was like that was her out our most chronically
online because the rest of the world was too Like
there's something that I think is true about her earlier
work that is more timeless because it is not it
was not as online because we weren't as a culture.
I think because the culture is bad, we have bad

(31:50):
reactions to work that is about the current moment, and
therefore people have really strong reactions to it. And I
think this album, I think this makes sense in about
a year which I think all of the like every
every like sticky piece of work does like at some
you know, after a certain lead period, where are you
going to say.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
I think it does make sense already, because I actually
think like I think whether or not like you like
the explanations, because she has given a couple which you
could argue like should you be able, should you have
to explain things people to get them? But like the
first verse of Eldest Daughter, she was like, no, I'm
intentionally speaking in a way that people speak online because

(32:31):
it is like me trying to fit into something that
I can't. And then when the song progresses, by the
time you get to the bridge, which is like, actually
a really beautiful bridge, it's actually a really good track
five bridge when you stack them all up together, that's
actually me speaking the way I really speak, because I'm
not trying too hard. So basically she's come out and said,

(32:52):
if the first verse sounds like it's trying too hard,
that's by design. Now people can have their opinions on
that whatever, But I do I think it speaks to
a larger thing about the album, which is she didn't
write a million songs. She probably wrote like these twelve,
maybe a few more, And she said, you know what,
I'm gonna fucking go for it, and I'm gonna be
messy and I'm gonna have people talking, and certainly there

(33:14):
are some things in here that like relate to her peers, Charlie,
you could argue Olivia with.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
The father Figure of it all.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I actually think in the in the movie that she
you know, had in theaters, like she pretty directly not
she doesn't outrite confirm that it's about Olivia, but she.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Was on both sides of this dynamic.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
She says she's been on both sides of the dynamic.
And she also like goes out of her way to say,
we interpolated Father Figure by George Michael and the song
Father Figure, and we were in communication with them the
whole time, because that's what you do when you interpolate something,
and it's great and that's the right thing to do,
which to me is directly speaking to the concerns about

(33:58):
the Olivia Rodriguo and why Taylor Jack and Saint Vincent
have writing credit on a song like Deja Vu. So
to me, it's like, not only is she not only
is that what this song is about, but she wants
people to know which is a choice, and like, you know,
like that, certainly that's gonna be polarizing, but I think

(34:18):
that's the point of life of a showgirl is I
think she wants it to be messy. She said she
welcomes the chaos everyone's takes online. Like I think she
wanted this to be like a chaotic, messy like pop
star showgirl era. Whether or not you thinking achieved that
is up to everyone's individual opinion, But I think the

(34:39):
album does make sense in that way.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
I don't know what her intention is with performing these
songs live, because she has not done that.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I have no idea, and she says she has no
plans through which I don't know if I believe, But.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
I think this is there's something interesting about just letting
these live on the album, on on the track and
not have, like have any sort of life beyond. But
what I think is her be'st music video maybe ever,
which is ver Aphelia.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I actually and I think the song is really good,
and I just think, I just think you're being disingenuous
if you don't listen to the first four songs, like
I understand as the album goes on, like people have
their differing feelings, I both agree disagree on certain levels,
but like she opens this album so strong, I love
the fant of Ophelia a lot of Gaga sounds.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
I'll even say to me if he listens to be like,
oh I get it that anyway.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I not on Mayhem though. I like we when we
because we did we did our fresh listen of Mayhem together,
like yeah, that was the best, but that that album
straight through first time, we were like, oh, this.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Is this is one of her best.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Well, that's the.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Album of the year for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
But you know what other album I really like, which
kind of came out in the midst of all the
Life of a Showgirl stuff, is Olivia Dean's album.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
That is going to have a really big movie.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
I think in all the vocal in the vocal categories,
we'll do very well at the Grammy's.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I think, oh, I think Olivia Dean, like man I
Need deserves to be the song that takes over, Like
I think that, Oh, I want to see Olivia Dean
nominated for Best New Artist. I want to see Olivia Dean.
I would love to see that album get Love. I
think man I Need Well, that could be a Record
of the Year Song of the Year nomination, Like a
song like that, like because she wasn't like she was

(36:32):
some huge name, but I will say I remember a
few years ago, maybe it was two years ago at Coachella.
I was walking by the Goldbi tent during the day
and Olivia Dean was performing and I was like, we
have to stop. And she sang a song called the
Hardest Thing, which I ended up streaming a ton and
there was something really special about her. So watching her
get this moment the music video for Man I Need

(36:53):
is so she's like so in her stardom, it's like
it's like a little bit more of like an activated adele.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
She will be on SNL as the musical guest right
the week after nominations are announced. I think her team,
her label is probably expecting a very impactful showing in
the nominations, so that nominations voting, our awards voting, whatever

(37:20):
is this is parlaying very nicely.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I might really want to go to that show. What
date is that?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
November fifteenth?

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Okay, I'm at Bravo Con. That's gonna be a good one.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
It's gonna be a good one. Wow. We covered a
lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
We did a lot and so basically I just wanted
to get on here with bo because I feel like
I know that we're doing a lot of guest episodes,
and I just wanted to touch base because so much
has been happening and I want you to.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Hear our voices.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
But we do have an amazing episode with Emil Laudo
right now, who is amongst the you know albums that
we're really enjoying. Also shout out Lowly Young and I
hope she gets well, yeah, because her album is fantastic too.
But yeah, this episode with demis a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Enjoy ding Dong Lost culture.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Is this calling a figure of lore in the Lost
Coach universes?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Here truly truly a figure of lor.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
She has the number one song on the Great Global Songbook,
our three hundred song we've ranked the three hundred best songs.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Ever, what do we always say our grand parents had
somewhere over the rainbow, our grand children will have cool
for the summer. It's it's a rural culture summer number
one's it might as well be number one. She did
place in the Iconic four hundred list of four hundred
most iconic people for our four hundred episode anniversaries. She
beat out Elmo, she beat out Martha Stewart. I believe yeah,

(38:54):
And I think she beat out. Holland Taylor just edged out.
Holland Taylor just edged out and was one of it
was Carrie Fisher one forty nine, Demi Levado one fifty
This Hallowed Ground. I wonder if I don't, we're gonna
bring our guests in a second, because oh it's not
that deep, Like literally it is deep to us though,

(39:15):
because I was telling our guests we had the link
to the album in Pee Town and they just they
just told us they could see the streams of people
listening to the links they sent out, and they were like,
you guys were running up. I was like, no, it's
it was serious.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
I was to first, and then I immediately was like, no,
why would I be ashamed of think they could see it?
I was like, they could see it, Oh my god.
It's like it's like when someone can look at your
emails or text it's like vulnerable. When someone can see
the number of times you've play much in their potations
with what you've done, probably HiT's different. It's and honestly,
it's so deserved.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
We've been a fan like from the jump, and it's
gonna be a huge Demi era.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
So let's talk about it. October twenty four in just
a couple of days. Please welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
Hello, Hello, I'm so happy to be here.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
We're so happy you're here.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Did you know of like the place you hold in
our podcast?

Speaker 6 (40:09):
I do. I have heard the clips and I've seen
the support and it just makes me feel so loved
and I was like, I have to show my love
right back. So here I am, and I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
We're so happy. Number one.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
So that's like, of all the songs, I guess we
did that when what was that? Like twenty twenty twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
One was the real Lablet songbook.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
I don't think any song is unspeeding cool for the
summer at this point until your album.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
Thank You, You're so sweet, thank you.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
The fact that you're releasing this album as like a
fall fucking like dance moment is so major because I
feel like fall gets like neglected and overlooked as like,
oh yeah, like do all your moody shit in the fall,
But you're giving us something hyped up.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
We're still going out. Yeah, just because it's fall doesn't
mean we're not going.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Out to dance. Yeah there's a coach check.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Yeah, Yeah, I do feel like Fast was more of
a like a club song, and then here All Night
is a little bit more emotional.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
But but yeah, but here All Night is emotional while
it's like it's it's very much giving, like dancing on
my own and like you're saying something like like really
emotional and painful. But then the music and like the
whole like I mean, like the whole aesthetic of it
is like fuck, but like no, you're you're dancing to
this song about me like being fucking crashed out about

(41:28):
my own yea, yeah, now yes, but like that's like
the duality and it is that deep.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
Sometimes it can be that deep for sure, but I'm
I'm just like the album title for me, it's not
that deep. It's all about like I'm I'm not taking
myself too seriously as an artist anymore, Like I'm just
having fun and I wanted a body of work that's
really reflective of that, and I feel like I really

(41:54):
accomplished it with this album.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
So when you're like sitting down to do a new
record or when you feel like it's time, are were
you thinking at first, like I really want to have
fun with my next project, or were you like, let's
just see what happens, and it was fun, like what
came first, the chicken or the egg.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
Well, originally, I'm such a fluid person that, like I have,
I've tried on different genres of music throughout my career,
and my last album was a rock album, and so
going into the I going into the next album, I
was like, Okay, I want to continue the rock stuff.
But as I started writing the rock album, I was like,

(42:33):
I can't really, like I'm running out of things to
write about because I'm so happy right now. There's only
so many rock songs you can make, like happy rock
songs that you.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Can make it.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
Yeah, And so then they today was bad and that's like,
that's exactly how I felt. So I was like, I
need to like switch directions, Like it's not resonating with me.
I'm not angry anymore. I'm not in this like a
deeply emotional place anymore like I was when I made
my last album. And so I started trying on different
sounds and I what landed was when I got into

(43:05):
the studio with my producer Zone and he had made
this beat in the car in the uber on the
way to the studio and was like, yeah, I just played.
I just made this track, do you want to hear it?
And I'm like, yeah, turned out to be fire. It was.
It turned into a song called Frequency.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Oh, like you really went off on that.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
It was that that's the one.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I mean, you repeat all of them because the album
hits so hard, and then you just go back and
started again.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Us in Pete Towns.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Frequency is a standout thank you.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I do that so well.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
Thanks, and that song set the tone for the rest
of the project.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Frequency was first.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
Frequency was day on first. I would say it was
when the album really took flight. Yeah, and when I
when we did Frequency, I was like, oh, we're onto
something and I want to chase this sound. And it
was new for me. It's different. It's so different than
anything I've ever done before, and I'm just I'm having

(44:06):
so much fun with it. I'm having so much fun
in my life. I'm in like such a great place
and I wanted my album to be reflective of that,
and so I made a very fun dance pop album.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
I mean, at this point, I think You've earned this
idea about you, which is like Demi Lovado is like
one of our great chameleons, Like musically right, like, but
I feel like it maybe took a while for people
to realize that because I feel like going from confident
to tell me you love me was like okay, we're
like we're really in this like nice, great bodied like
R and B sound, and then you go into all

(44:39):
the other and then holy fuck is like obviously departure
and then now to go into this genre. I feel
like it must be a little overwhelming for you because
you can do it all. You can do so many
things with your voice, Like what like the options are
kind of overwhelming, I would say, right like it's good,
Like like what makes you think like, oh, this is
what I want to chase beyond the fact that, like

(45:00):
your producer sends you this track which he produced in
his car, don't produce and drive but.

Speaker 6 (45:04):
No, no, no, he was in an uber he was
at the wheel making that say he was at the
wheel to make it more.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Kid, even uber driver is gonna hear that sick track
and be like, hey, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
But what what? What?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
What tells you?

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Like, what is that feeling that you have as a songwriter?

Speaker 6 (45:23):
What inspires me at the time is what I chase
And that's why I've I've fluctuated over the years with
different genres. Johns got to know it, but like, I
really chase what's inspiring me in the moment, and so

(45:44):
when I when I made my rock album, I was
really influenced by rock music. And at the time when
I made Sorry Not Sorry and Tell Me You Love Me,
I was really inspired by more R and B music,
and this project, I was really inspired by the pop
girlies and that's what I chased and I'm really happy
with it.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Was that like a result of seeing everyone else kind
of having because last year was such a crazy moment,
like from the top to the bottom of the year,
just felt like everyone was having fun again. Like, yeah,
which of your peers, Like are you inspired by mostly
or like when you're going into this album?

Speaker 6 (46:20):
Well, first off, I was really inspired by Kesha for
this album.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I'm just sure.

Speaker 6 (46:25):
I'm such a fan of hers, but she's also like
side note, she's such an incredible human being, Like I
just I fuck with her so much. She's so great
And she was actually the one that was like you
should get in the studio with Zone because they did
joy Ride together and amongst other songs, but that was
the one that, I was like, wait, this is fire,

(46:45):
and so she was like, you should get in the
studio with zone. So I did and that's what ended up,
you know, and I was in the zone.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
When you're hearing a track like that, like he plays
you this track, I just think, if I'm Demi Lovado,
I'm like, how do I figure my voice into it?
Because you're so known for what you can do with
your voice, and I feel like, when you hear a
track like that, mm hmm, is that that must it
must be a fun challenge and obviously you conquered it,
But I guess my question is how do you figure
your voice into something like that? Because you hit the

(47:16):
chorus and your voice is huge in the chorus and
then you're like, your ad libs are sick. But I
just can't imagine hearing that in the track when you
first heard it.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
Yeah, I didn't. I definitely didn't hear like a big
vocal moment. When I first heard the track, I heard
the talking verses and the sexiness. But then as we
started making it, we were like we should chase like
a kind of Britney vibe in the pre choruses. And
then and then when it hit the chorus. I I

(47:44):
one thing about me is when I'm in the studio,
I'm like, where's my vocal moment? Like, yeah, I want
to have fun on the track, but like, where's my
vocal moment? Because that's what people know me for and
that's what I have fun singing. So that's yeah, that's
where hundred we're.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Going to take a break. I think we have a possible.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
Yes, thank you, And that's the tea. That's the tea.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
What was working with our good friend, our Sisterland.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
One of our best, the best.

Speaker 6 (48:25):
He's so talented and he's so fun. That's the thing
about working with all of his songwriters on this project
was we had such a great time in the studio.
Every day was full of laughter. And I think that,
you know, translates onto the album, Like I mean, obviously
you're not going to listen to a song and laugh,
but you can tell that we had fun making it.

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And and Leland opened up his studio to us and
goes down there, which I've actually he's opened it up
many times. Like I just did a face on playback.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
There is familiar.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
He's wanting to do that for such a long time.
He's like I want to have like listening parties here
and like the whole thing. So I'm happy it happened
me too.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
It's such a cute place. But he's so talented and
I love working with him.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
He does bring such a spirit of fun, I think
because like he works them on like all these different
kinds of projects like in film and TV, especially with
drag Race, where it's just like he's not afraid to
be like whimsical and it to have like of course, it's.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Like you're listening to it and it's like this is serious, but.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Then like I don't know even the way that you
deliver the verse in that song and also kiss, like
you have to be stepping away.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
From the mic sometimes being like I'm giggling like it's
I was gonna say, kiss your giggling.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Like you might not laugh at the songs, but I
feel like you you are engineering these moments. We're listening
at home going like whoa, that was great, Like ha ha,
I'm laughing because like I don't expect that like this.

Speaker 6 (49:59):
It's such what a simple lyric. I kiss for fun.
It's fun to kiss, and guess what it is not
that deep.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
No, it's not very simple that we run into out there.

Speaker 6 (50:11):
And it's so it was so fun to sing. I
was having the time of my life in the studio.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
I feel like, you're able to make something like this.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
You're you're able to make a dancy poppy album like
this in context to other albums where you have obviously
gone deep and so therefore, but if you're staying in
the depth, it's relative, right, Like, if you're staying in that,
then it's not deep because it's just on one like dimension.
But if you're doing something fun, it actually makes the
other stuff more meaningful in retrospect, right, it makes this

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thing more meaningful.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Right, you know?

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, you and I share end Bow one as well,
but like our number ones are Kelly Clarkson love Kelly
feel like I was, like, I wonder when we asked
her the culture question, like what was the culture that
made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 6 (50:52):
If it would be Kelly, I was going to say
American Idol. I was going to say American Idol.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Consider this the question, so American Idol, Like, go, how
did it affect you?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Like, what was it about it that made you?

Speaker 6 (51:05):
American Idol made me dream? It gave me a sense
of hope and possibility that if Kelly Clarkson, this girl
from Burlason, Texas, could make it on American Idol and
have people voting for her every week, which I was
one of them. If she could make it, then I

(51:25):
could and it gave me hope and I had so
much fun watching the show. She's so talented and she
was my first idol. Yeah, I really think she was
my first idol.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
It made something extra that you were also in Texas
then at the time, yes, so like yeah, it's like
it's completely close to home where were like literally like, oh,
if she can do it, I can do it. Yes, exactly,
and it was people like and you were learning about
music as you were watching it at home, like this
is like this week we're singing all songs from like
Gladys Knight and the Pips and then like exactly how
you learn about this?

Speaker 6 (51:57):
I learned about Gladys Knight through Kelly Clarkson on American God.
I think it must be so hard to be on
one of those singing competition shows where you have to
learn a new song every week. Yeah, like it must
be so challenging. But she did that, Like she really
did that and I'm sure most of the songs that
she sang she already knew, or at least it felt
that way. Yeah, And I just think she's amazing.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Were you like writing your own songs, because, like, I
think what kind of gets not lost? But I feel
like what people don't realize is that, like you were
writing your own CDs, you were like selling them in
your neighborhood when you were growing up. Was you know that? Yeah, coach,
Oh that's so cute.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
It was in Child Star I was you directly right, Yes,
it was like so charming. It was like the whole
family talking about like, yeah, DEMI would like sell her
CD for ten dollars.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
And I would.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
I'd go around the neighborhood and I'd sell my CDs
in order to like pay for vocal lessons, pay for
vocal lessons, but also pay for the beauty pageants I
was in because those were not cheap.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Right.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
Yeah, And God, but I worked, really, I've been working
hard for a really long time, even as a kid.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, I think that's why it's so great to see
you having so much fun with this and doing something
that's clearly like I don't know, I bet you can
look back to when you started out on Disney Channel
or whatever, and you if you Sometimes I wish I
could reach back to my younger self and it's like,
check out this thing you did from now you're like, oh,
I'm having fun in the future. Yeah, yeah, like thank god.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
Yeah. I mean I think that it's a combination of things.
I think it's the place where I'm at in my
life today. It's also the team I have around me.
The team that I have, like it never feels like work.
Like I did probably eleven interviews today and it didn't
feel like work because in between interviews I'm joking and

(53:45):
I'm laughing with my team who's so supportive and they're
fans of the work that I'm creating. So it like
it just feels it just feels so fulfilling. And yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Was gonna ask, and I texted him this morning. I
was like, do you think it's okay? If I asked?

Speaker 4 (53:59):
I mean, like about like what it's like working with you,
like like Brandon Creed. Yeah, I was because I've gotten
to know him through like just like hanging out with
Ari or like hanging out with or something like he's
just like I think he is, and like whether or
not I aske him because I was like, I don't
know if you feel okay being like a discussion point.
But I feel like he like is obviously getting his
shine as a manager. But I feel like he's doing

(54:20):
something really special and focused with all of his clients.
I feel like I want to ask, like, what your
relationship is with him, because it feels like you guys
are like unlocking something together. It is so authentic but
joyful but cool, but like all of these things and
still you and still.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
I think what's so great about working with Brandon is
not only is he such an incredible manager, He's killing
it right now.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Look at his roster.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
I mean like every day he's posting something new from
one of his artists and I'm like, yes, that's my manager,
go yeah. And but also working with him is he's
given me so much insight and like he's so brilliant
and so so you know, he has led me in
the right directions and he set me up with the

(55:04):
right people who have helped me create such an incredible
rollout for this project that feels different, more different than
anything I've ever created. And I really have him to
credit for that.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yeah, the album cover was something I wasn't expecting because
it's you, like a little bit distant, surrounded, and I'm
just thinking about like how it's a perfect album cover
because it's like the center is like unmistakably you, but
there is a community there. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like,
can you talk about the album art?

Speaker 6 (55:30):
Yes, So the album art was shot by Daniel Sachen
and it was actually we shot it on the day
that I shot the fast music video sick.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Oh by the way, love thank you you think so
Galvin I throw the destruction thank you.

Speaker 6 (55:43):
Well, we wanted to capture that on the album cover too.
So there's all this chaos around me, and it's no
secret that I lived this very public life. I'm on
display twenty four to seven, and you know, I'm naked
on the album cover holding a dry cleaning bag, and
so it's showing me in a very vulnerable state but
unfazed by the chaos. And something also that's really nice

(56:05):
is that there's the we heart our customers on the
dry cleaning bag. It's like, that's an ode to my fans.
This album is for my fans. We hurt our customers,
we hurt our levatics, our customers. And then lastly, if
there's one thing about me, if there is a photo,
I will lock the fuck in.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
And that I locked in on that smiling serving?

Speaker 6 (56:28):
Are we smiling or serving? We're always serving?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Do you ask yourself that in the beginning of the
day for you, like sometimes I wonder, like, you know,
how early does it start?

Speaker 6 (56:39):
It depends on how early the photographs are being taken.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Period.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
If there is a picture outside of my bedroom when
I first wake up in the morning, I will serve yes, yes,
glamor not ye.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
A little known fact that I was so gagged by
when I was in high school was I was obsessed
with Desperate Housewives And.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
That's your sister.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yes, that is what little Solise?

Speaker 6 (57:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's my little Yes, that is amazing.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
I this should be known in culture. I think, like
that's like Demi's sister.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Yes, yeah, oh my god, Madison so cute. This is
showbiz royalty in this family.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Damn yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
It's truly so like when you when you were like
growing up and like you see her on a huge show.
Were you protective or were you supportive? As like a
mixture of both.

Speaker 6 (57:31):
I think at the time I wish I had been
a little bit more protective, to be honest, because that
role was I think really challenging for her at such
a young age, and I think I had been distracted
by my own stuff going on, unfortunately, and so I
live with some regret in that aspect. But also, there's
only so much you can do as a fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen year old, right, You're.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Not like a hardened veteran of the business. You're like
starting out in.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
Your own I was starting out too, and my family
and I were new to this industry, and we just
happened to both get opportunities that were really big for
the both of us at the same time, which happened
to move us all out to LA And Yeah, I
think I do have a little bit of regret because
I think it was a difficult role for her. You know,
there was a lot of scrutiny in the show about

(58:15):
her body, and I hate that, but I think, you know,
she's so strong and she's so amazing that she turned
out so great, and you know, I'm so proud of her.
She did incredible work on that show.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, she was very, very memorable on it. Yeah, we
all remember, like extremely talented, like she's very galvanized in
the scene.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
And yeah they were, Yeah, they bought the relationship Eva,
But I feel like it's the saying where I hope
you don't carry that regret to heavily because it's like
it's like it's like the airplane mask role.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
It's like you have to take care of yourself before
you take care of her.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I have like an interesting
perspective on it today, Like we talked about it in
my Child Star documentary and she opened up and was
vulnerable with me then, and I think that in that moment,
that's when I realized the effect of the show had
on her. And so but I've always been protective over her.
She's my baby sister and she always will be.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
I mean, just to speak on the documentary of it all,
like not even just child Star, but I feel like
the fact that you have gone through all of this
just development on yourself is so amazing because you are
one of the only pop girls who, like is honest,
You're willing to go there, like you've done the work

(59:35):
of like self examining, and not a lot of people
do that publicly, and like like whenever people document like
my struggles. I'm like, oh wait, this is this is
a little too much, not even that it doesn't even
compare to you, but I'm just like, this is a
weird feeling, and I feel like the fact that you've
been so brave and doing those things is like, is incredible.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
That's why people root for you.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
Thank you. Honestly, I had a decision that had to
be made when I had gone to treatment for the
first time. I had this very public outburst and when
I was eighteen, and which I talked about in some
of my documentaries, but god, there's so many I always we.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Watched the person together, Yes, but it's because of this
very thing. It's because there is no bullshit with you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
Right And in that moment, my manager at the time
asked me, like, do you want to be public with
what you're going through or do you want to sweep
it under the rug and not talk about it, which
you have a right to both. You don't have you
don't owe anybody anything. But I was like, I didn't
have a role model at thirteen that was speaking up

(01:00:38):
about eating disorders, and I was like, I need to
be that role model for someone else. Like it was
this responsibility that I was willing to take on because
I wish that I could have had that growing up,
Like there were older actresses that had come out and
talk about talked about having an eating disorder, nobody that
I could relate to at thirteen, especially at the time

(01:01:00):
when the beauty standards were you know, very very dangerous,
and so I wanted to be that for other people.
And that's kind of the catalyst for why I've been
open about all of my struggles is in that moment
when I made that decision, it set the tone for
the rest of my life of like, you know, I

(01:01:21):
want to help people, and the best way that I
know how is sharing my personal experience with them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I feel like also too, when you talk earlier about
like I sat down and like I couldn't even write
angry or sad songs if I tried, Like this is
the way I'm feeling. I'm feeling happy. You can even
hear in your voice, like just the way you choose
which notes it's like incredibly emotional and like also very characterized,
like you can't lie in your music, it feels like

(01:01:49):
And one of my favorite songs is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
In my Head on the new album.

Speaker 6 (01:01:55):
At my husband wrote that song, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
He did, brilliant because it's like it's it's this incredibly
like honest thing. And also the way you've chosen the melody,
I could do anything on that, Like it's almost like
you're like like arguing or someone or like kind of
like rationalizing, and it's in the melody line in a
way that feels so honest. So and then when on
tell Me You Love Me, which is I think my

(01:02:22):
favorite album of yours, Decidentists one, like the way you
choose when to be powerful, when to descend, when to
like have like a moment that trails off. It's just
it's all really rooted. And I can tell like you
listening to like the best singers, the most honest emotional singers,
and so I think you didn't really have a choice

(01:02:44):
but to be honest, because yeah, it's in your art.

Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
I grew up singing to very soulful singers. So I
grew up singing to Aretha and Whitney and Christina and Kelly,
and they all had soul in their voice, and that's
what drew me in as a child, was like, oh,
there's like depths there and I don't even think I
was conscious of it, but there was just something that

(01:03:09):
made me feel what they were singing about so deeply
that I was like, that's just what I want to like,
that's the kind of vocalist I want to be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, do you have like an unsung hero American Idol contestant,
like someone from way back that you're like, oh, this
person was someone like because Kelly obviously famously, but like
I always look back and like, it's so crazy, we'll
just jump out of my mind from that age when
you remember it everything, But like tanis Kimberly Locke from

(01:03:39):
season two, Like Kimberly lock remember.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
She released a single afterwards and actually is about we
performed it at our Cultural Awards too years.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Oh my god, amazing the year after the summer at
our Culture Awards exactly at the point, okay, but where
were you going to say, Kimberly lo I wasn't like
it was.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
Really season one that did it for me. After season one,
I was like, Okay, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Nice, I'm doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
Yeah. I was still young. I still watched, but it
just didn't have the choke hold on me that Kelly's
season had. But there were incredible vocalists on all of
those seasons and there still are.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
That's the thing is like you check back in and
now there's so many of them. We take it for granted.
But like America's got talent has incredible people that come
through the voice. Obviously, sometimes I put on the voice
and I'm like, these I can't believe this is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Even a live vocal in this blind audition.

Speaker 6 (01:04:28):
You know who has one of the best vocalists or
one of the best vocals from American Idol period is
Adam Lambert. Oh, he's on an unsung hero. He's a hero,
but like his voice is just insane.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, he is one that He's also one of the
most expressive, and he never even shied away from being camp.
I remember one time he's feeling good in a white
suit and he like descended the stairs and he was
so like he wasn't like out gay at the time,
because it was still weird at the time in the public,
but he was announcing himself so much. And I remember

(01:05:02):
the next day I went to school and some girls
were talking about American Idol and I kind of like,
you know, shuffled over and a couple of them were like, yeah,
my mom didn't want to vote for.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Him anymore after that performance, and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
I was like, Wow, how far we've come. Yeah, that
like so many artists can express themselves like however they want,
because he was on the biggest show in the world
at that time with that crazy expressive voice, so emotional,
and he also was himself yeah, and made it really
fun to get.

Speaker 6 (01:05:29):
Go exactly always himself.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Didn't win, and I wonder would he have won five
years ago today? Who knows, Like maybe.

Speaker 6 (01:05:36):
Yeah, maybe he was that No, his voice is just
it's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Yeah, I was asking about the I brought up the
CDs earlier because there was a moment in Child Star
that like really gave me pause where you know, you
were talking about, uh playing these songs they'd written for
Exacts and they were like, yeah, nuve we're into and
that kind of was let's play you up with these
producers and songwriters, which you know you did with the

(01:06:03):
plom like you succeeded in that regard of like working
with others as a collaborator of grade.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Skill to have, but that it chipped away, like this competency.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
Confidence that I had went out the window for a
period of time and even today sometimes I'll go into
the studio and I'm like, is this a good idea
or like and I rely on my co writers a
lot to say, like, you know, do we need to
fix this lyric or is it good? And they give
me their opinions, which is why I love co writing,
Like I love the collaboration of like having the input

(01:06:35):
of other people and having their brilliant ideas come to
the surface, because I really think if you want to
create the best body of work that you possibly can, like,
it's good to have feedback. But when I was fifteen,
I went and played my my demo basically for my
manager at the time, and it was it was really

(01:06:55):
unfortunate because he he wasn't mean about it, just there
wasn't like a positive reception on what I was writing.
It was like, oh, okay, but let's get you in
the studio, and I was like, oh, I've I used
to be the type of artist that would sing and
like play my guitar and sing until six in the morning.

(01:07:17):
Like my dad would be getting up getting ready for
work and would be like, DEMI go to bed, stop singing,
and I would just be in my room and I'd
be like, you know, a little manic, but your creative exactly.
And and I stopped doing it at that age, and
I started second guessing myself. And I think it's something

(01:07:39):
that has because that happened at such a young age,
it's still embedded in me a little bit, Like there
is some self doubt when it comes to my songwriting.
Not my vocals. I know I'm that bitch with my vocals,
but like you know, with the songwriting, it was it
definitely put self doubt in my head, which was kind
of sad.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
That is devastating to hear because it is something that like,
I don't know, we relate to this on like a
performance like comedy level obviously, yes, and like it's just
this thing that like and like if you've read the
artist's way, like she talks all about like those first
people who like snuff out that thing in you are
devastating and it's going to take you a long time

(01:08:21):
to get over it. But I feel like I bring
this up too because Brett Leland was telling us like, oh,
Demi comes into the studio, she's a fucking beast, and
like she knows what she wants, she knows how to
like construct a song. She knows how to songwrite, Yes,
and like, I hope that in making this album you've
kind of like keeled up.

Speaker 6 (01:08:38):
I was gonna say that this album was really healing
for that part of myself because there were days when
I was in the studio and I came up with
the hook or I came up with this and the
concept of the song, and like, I really do have
a vision, and I had a vision with this album,
But there were also days where I'd come into the
studio and be like, I have no idea what to
write about today, Let's just wing it and we come
up with something great and frequency there was that wasn't

(01:09:01):
like a concept that I came into the studio with
of like we need to write a song about this.
It was just the I matched the vibes of the
track with the lyrics and we came up with something great.
So yeah, I think it has been healing for me,
as like recognizing my worth as a songwriter has shown
through on this project.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Love it? What about live? Are we hitting the road?
You don't have to reveal, but you could.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
There's nothing set in stone right the second, but there's
definitely playing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
We were talking earlier, we were all listening to it
for the millionth time, and people that were hearing it
for the first.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Time were like, when is it going on tour?

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
It's like one of those things if it does feel
a lot like I remember we saw we saw the
Sweat tour at Madison Square Garden and it felt like
the place was gonna flip over. Now it was like
music like this that's like this type of sound and
that type of space. You just can't recreate it anywhere now. Yeah,
like especially when you can like attach an amazing hook

(01:10:01):
to it like you have and thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
It's going to be really sick live.

Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
I haven't toured in three years, so it's time, and
I definitely want to. I miss seeing the reactions of
my fans, face it on their faces when I play
their favorite songs and the emotions that they, you know,
convey when they're sitting in there, when they're standing in
the audience and and I sang Skyscraper and the tears

(01:10:27):
flowing down their faces, Like I really do miss that connection.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah, you know so many hits.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Do you have one?

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Do you have one where you're like, okay, this one,
here we go and then by the end you're.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Like, yeah, that one it used.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
To be give your Heart a Break. But when I
got back on stage, I started playing it again for
the first time. I would say, like a couple of
years ago. I hadn't played it in so long because
I was just like, I'm tired of this song. And
you're allowed to change your lives show and play songs
that you want to and take out songs that you don't.

(01:11:03):
But I when I performed that for the first time
in years, the reaction was so great that I was like, wait,
I love this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
You forget what it felt like? Yeah, because then the
element of like surprise and nostalgia kicks in and you're like,
oh my god, I remember all the words to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
It's formative.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
It brings you back to a time when you were like,
you know, and.

Speaker 6 (01:11:26):
It's a crowd favorite, so like I love seeing their
reaction too.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, what do you think you're channeling
while you sing? Let's just talk about like the vocals,
like do you do you feel something like passed through you?
I love it when like and it doesn't have to
be true, but I love it when certain singers and
vocalists are like, oh no, I'm like I'm connecting with
something high or lower whatever, or I'm I'm like playing
a character, Like, is there is there anything qualitatively true

(01:11:52):
about this when I'm in.

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
My flow stage?

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
Absolutely, There's something that comes over me and with ad
libs and new high notes that I didn't think about
before when I recorded the album that like I can't explain,
but a lot of times I get into my head
when I'm performing because I am such a perfectionist. So
like if I'm out of my head, absolutely, but when
I'm in my head, I'm not channeling so hard.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
It's so hard because I say, like, is there a
way to translate that to like the songwriting experience, which
it sounds like there was, like you were like in
these flow states in the studio coming up with the hooks. Yeah,
it's just the thing you can't force, which is kind
of the sucky thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
But like the like the.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Flow state is like the number one like thing that
human beings chase the most across all cultures.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
It's like this feeling of like losing track of time.
It reminds me of.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
The movie Soul. Oh yeah, you know, like that's what
I chase with music, and the second that it stops feeling.
Like the movie Soul, I have to put a pause
on it, you know what I mean, I have to
reconnect with the music.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Yeah, that is an amazing movie that that is about
that exact thing.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
Yeah, I love that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Just ao about how music just kind of like is
this like is like the way that like our lives
kind of like get constructed or like they frame our
lives in a certain thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Yeah, you know, it's the most incredible thing that human
beings are capable of doing and sharing. I think is
music like the way that you can just like that's
be Ernest McGee over here, but like it's true, like
the way that I mean, it really can change things.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
It transcends lyrics, our language, It transcends language, Like you
don't I could be listening to a song that's in
a different language, but I can. It'll make me weep
if it's the right chords and the right emotion behind it,
you know what I'm saying. And it's it's so beautiful
how universal it is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
You have this moment on let You Go, which is
the synth after at the end of the chorus, like
just like again we were vibing in p Town, like
I'm on the deck, like I have my like shades
not on like those I remember those. I was kind
of feeling my like Demi and then just that sin

(01:14:04):
that was like that is really special.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Who found that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Like, Yeah, that sone is brilliant. Do you ever come
in like singing things and hearing things that you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Are absolutely yea.

Speaker 6 (01:14:17):
Sometimes I'll I have my my voice notes on my
phone are just like there's got to be a thousand
of them, and sometimes it's just like the like that
will turn into a synth or it'll turn into a song,
like I'm not sure what it, but like sometimes I'll
just come up with something like that and it'll be
on a voice note and my phone just felt.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
So intentional that part of the song. It feels like
it feels like one of those lines that you that
you really remember. It was very classic.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Good you know what I mean. It makes me have
that there is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Something a little bit retro about the way that synth
sounds too, that sort.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Of yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Do you say you had listening parties at You've already
had some of the fan and experiences.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
Yes, I've had two fan play back.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
How are they?

Speaker 6 (01:15:01):
God? It was so much fun. It was so fun
to see my fans, like they got up and danced,
you know and kiss on here all night on Fast
and then they really like took in the other songs.
And watching them take it in was you know, it
was really impactful for me because I made these songs

(01:15:25):
from such a vulnerable place and here they are connecting
with them and it's resonating with them, Like it makes
it all worth it. Being that vulnerable in front of
you know, all these people, like it just makes it
worth it. And and yeah, seeing their emotional reaction to
it was awesome. But also like seeing them have so
much fun was also amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
Like I wonder, like who it's more rewarding for, Like
not that it's like that it is more warring for
one particular group, but it's like it's just as rewarding
for you and Zone and Leland and everyone who's worked
on this album. To see how people like this is
your first test audience. Really, it's the first time you're
seeing people respond to it. Yes, and it is telling

(01:16:08):
you it's a lot of information for you, Yes, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yeah, And so it's valuable for you.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
It's all that It's valuable for me because I get
to see, like, what are the fan favorites, what are
the ones that they're going to go crazy for at
the show that I need to do something a little
extra for and or is there a song that I
want to put out as a single because it's in
demand with the fans? You know what I mean. It's
like that information is very valuable to me as an artist.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I not to be like the tell Me You Love
Me to stay on here, but that album is again
up until now my favorite. You and Williams in the
video for tell Me You Love Me, you were acting
down and you forget that like thank you camera, acting
like you really could give like more presence in it

(01:16:53):
than you do. Is that something that interests you?

Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
Because I like so insecure as an actress?

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Really yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
Because I really great and dropped in Thank You. I
feel like I took a break for so long from
acting that I'm like scared to get back into it.
And I've had offers and I have acted. I did
an independent film called Toe last year or Yeah last year,
and then it came out at Tribeca Film Festival this year,

(01:17:21):
and and it was it was fun. It was like
I dipped my toes. It was a small role. I
dipped my toes back into acting and I had a
lot of fun with it, and it was something that
I think I want to do, but like I just
have to, like I don't know, I feel like I
need to do acting lessons or something.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
It's the perfectionist thing again. Yes, yeah, are you what's
your sign?

Speaker 6 (01:17:40):
I'm a Leo? Okay, yeah, or Leo's perfectionist.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
I know, I don't know about them as perfectionists.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
I was gonna say, it's like it feels like a
like a Leo or like like a Virgo Jason or
Leo thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Okay, do Virgo in your chart somewhere. I feel like
this is just.

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
Maybe I did my chart one time and then forgot it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
No problem.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Scorpio, which is like easy for us to remember.

Speaker 6 (01:18:03):
I know I'm a double Leo.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Okay, Yeah, that's a lot of that's.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
A lot of les.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
I got a lion on my hand, yeah, really beautiful.

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
A lot of tattoos I do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
What's what's the mystery? It was?

Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
I feel like I went so hard on tattoos at
such a young age. But I'm like, I wish I
had been more selective with my tattoos, but there are
ones that I really love. My most recent one was
this says I love you more. It's my mom's handwriting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
My mom and I say the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
Yeah, it's so funny. My mom and I will be
on the phone and like we'll go to hang up,
and right before someone hangs up, I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
It's like we have to say we have the acronym
l M.

Speaker 6 (01:18:46):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
It's almost like a.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Conversation can't really be over unless that's been typed.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
You know, we're so close to my mom and I
I'm so close with my mom. She's such an angel.
So yeah, I got that tattooed, and that was my
most recent one because.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
I feel like your husband, your husband is tattoo so.

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
He has tatted the fuck out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, iad someone.

Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
No, it's just like had a little bit. I wish
I'd thought more about it rather than getting all these
impulsive tattoos.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
But you know, do you have any Well maybe you
won't want to share this, but are there any tattoos
that like, whenever you look at it, you're like, oh,
it's a person.

Speaker 6 (01:19:29):
I have one and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
You're like's never gonna not remind me.

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
I know I have one that's like that, and it
is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Honestly, it's almost kind of nice because I remember I
only have three small ones, but in preparing to get them,
I probably you too. It's kind of like, Okay, you're
gonna look at this forever, like are you going to
regret it? It's weird like even the ones you regret,
you think warmly about the time that you got.

Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
Yeah, like it was still a cool story. But behind
the tattoo that I got. But do I wish I
didn't get a matching tattoo with someone?

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Yes, you have to be sure about matching tattoos, just
for little culture number twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
No, I think have to tattoos.

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
But I think you don't do it. I think it's
like cursed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Yeah, the idea of matching tattoos. Yes, I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
I don't like matching tattoos. It's just like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Because it bitenes you to someone. It's almost like a
contract or It's just like I.

Speaker 6 (01:20:23):
Just feel like every time I've like I've gotten two
matching tattoos and it just didn't end up well. So
like rule of and then I've had like ex boyfriends
get my name on them and that didn't work out,
and so I just feel like real of them, Like
it's just not a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Okay, yeah yeah, I think yeah, make it a law.
We've been talking about getting a matching one.

Speaker 6 (01:20:44):
I don't know, maybe you do like a variation, like
like me and Matthew Scott. If me and Matthews be
my best friend, yes, friend, yeah who you guys know,
and if we were to get imagine tattoo, Like we've
talked about getting like a little bat or something for Halloween,

(01:21:08):
Like if he got a bat, I would get a pumpkin.
Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like something a little
like a variation where it's not like so yeah exactly,
but he really.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Is your writer or I I feel like he's been
in every era, every era.

Speaker 6 (01:21:23):
We are so close. I am obsessed with him. I
don't know what I would do without him. He's my
heart and soul.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
You need that person too, Like it's just like that
you can be truly honest with yes, Like like we
need to step away from a second, like even in
a small community of people that I do trust like
you need your person.

Speaker 6 (01:21:42):
He is my person that Like before Jordan and I
got together, I would call in the middle of the
night and be like, hey, I'm lonely and like you
don't have to say anything back, but I just need
to express like how sad I am right now. And
he would be there for me in the middle of
the night and be like, let's talk about it, and
like that's the kind of friendship that everyone needs.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
I think you are so incredibly lucky to even have
that thing, because there it's not that I don't even
love my sister, but it's like I'm like, I'm not
gonna bother me now with this. Like we've all had
these lonely moments at night where I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Like, yeah, well you can.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
I know that. It's like careful what you wish for, girl,
I'm wishing. Oh I love that. But it's like that's
a that's a really hard thing to find.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
He's just mad because I used to call him years
ago when I used to wait tables and I would
I would get off my shift and we'd have a
couple drinks after work and I'd call him to call
me an uber because I wouldn't download it on my phone.
I didn't think it could download. So whenever he thinks
of me and the concept of calling later at night,
he's like, oh he needs an uber. Well that was
a decade ago, when I'm much more together.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Now we've all grown up. We're past it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
I have a lot of amazing friends in my life,
but I have this core group of best friends and
I mean I could list them off, but they're just
like they're I had so many bridesmaids in my wedding
because I have so many close, close, close best friends,

(01:23:07):
and that support is just like what gets me through life.
Like I just I love my friends so much.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
That wedding was fucking chic.

Speaker 6 (01:23:17):
Thank you. Oh my god, did me look so handsome?
One I do?

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
And you look at how you like Emanate what you
talk about him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Well, you've always had one of the best smiles. I'll
never forget when when I first saw you, my first
thought was like, oh my god, that girl's smile is I.

Speaker 6 (01:23:36):
Used to be really insecure about my smile. I used
to joke that it eats my face because it's so big,
and it like just like takes over and no.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
It's like it's such a it's it's like you really
carry the light when you smile.

Speaker 6 (01:23:47):
So you really do. I've learned to appreciate my smile
because there were times where I wasn't smiling and that
was sad. And now I'm like, you know, like you
tell me, that's just what I was talking about. I
appreciate that too.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
So yeah, I mean that's that's I guess what's so
great about like the phase of your career that you're
in and what other people, like other people that we've
all watched for now going on like twenty years and
because we're like a little bit older than you, but
still like that was like our generation of like you know,

(01:24:24):
personal we watched on TV and then transitioned into this
new stage of the career. And I think like we do,
like as fans of yours, share like a knowledge of
everything you've been through. And that's why it's like to
see you having fun is like a huge gift because
I always remember that girl I first saw smiling and

(01:24:44):
so like it's just great to see you smile again
about your husband and about this project. Yeah, because when
I think of you, I think of a huge like
smile that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
Thank you, thank you, the us that's so sweet, Thank
you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
This is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Wait, how do you feel?

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Is not something she decided?

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
I didn't decide, and I was like, where did that
come from? It was kind of confusing to me. I
was like, are you an addict or are you like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
An alcohol don't it's some sort.

Speaker 6 (01:25:22):
Of but I've embraced it and I've learned to love it.
But at first I was like, huh because it looks
at the beginning of like stand names. Yeah, kind of
when everyone came up with it, I was like, I
think I was like I was in treatment and they
were like, yeah, your fans are calling you levotics now,
and I was like, wait.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Are they reading?

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
Are the reading?

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Is this coming from a nasty place? Because it's not
the right time.

Speaker 6 (01:25:49):
It's not the right time. But I came out and
everyone had like a stand name and I and I
was a sign run and I was like, I'll take
it whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Remember Kelly is a calibrity.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
No. It was terrible, what so this is how you
know that? Like I was in deep because one day
like the Kelly Clarkson message boards.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Yes, I was a little gay child. Hi, my my
name is Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
But they were like, we're Calibrity.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
This isn't the Callibrity group.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
And even me at the time, who would have done anything.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
I was just like, I don't like this.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Hold up, yeah yeah yeah, but Levtic we can make
peace with.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
I mean, is there really a good fan base? Navy
is really monsters, little monster you should.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Get to a vote.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
You should for now they're called Levats, But like everybody like, well,
I don't know. I think, like you guys, I'm gonna
give you options and then you guys come up with
the right one, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
I don't know. I think it would make a lot
of people upset.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Yeah, we adjusted to the name Levatic years ago. We did.

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
That's what everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
No one wanted to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Like, what do you mean, no one said mething. We
could have been called the the I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
But what's the Navy thing? The force? The force?

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
We keep adding going too hard on military names.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
So everybody, you don't have to be Marine in selected
all them. You can be Levons. Okay, Well, I think
it may be time and you're gonna need it because
we're gonna transition into I don't think so, honey. This

(01:27:27):
is our sixty second segment on this podcast where we
take something in culture that bugs us, that bothers us,
and more and we absolutely let it rip.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
I have something.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
It's the season and I'm starting to see something pop
up again and I want to put it to bed
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Okay, you have your phone on here, so I think
you should time all the time. Okay, so this is
well you say, you say the key, this is Matt Rogers.
I don't think so, honey. As time starts now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
I don't think so honey. Anyone making fun of me
for pumpkin spice. You're ten years late on this read. Okay,
basic girls drink pumpkin spice. Thing happened already.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Now you sound based.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
I am still here. I'm still queer. I'm still the one.
I've always been a pumpkin spice person. And yes I
do get it in a frap, and I know that
makes it more basic. But I don't think so honey.
Your comments penetrating me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
I rubber glue, babe. I don't think so honey.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Anyone telling me anything about pumpkin spice, whether it comes
in the form of coffee, whether it comes in the
form of muffin, It honestly is the best flavor.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Come for me. Apple cmon beats it, Apple beats it.
Blueberry get lost.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
I'm sorry, but this chocold that blueberry flavor has on
you know, culture. No, it is about pumpkin spice. And
I think we fucked up by making it seasonal. It
should be all year round. Then it would be amazing thing.
I mean, wouldn't have this nightmare of every season.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Oh, here comes the basic pumpkin spice girl is again. Yeah,
here I am and I don't think so, honey. And
that's one minute.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
My god, that was so good. How do I tell
that you?

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Are you doing in your own way?

Speaker 6 (01:29:00):
My god, I'm intimidated now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
But do you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Are you a pumpkin spice person? Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Come on, something that has only been able, the only
way that's been able to save SNL writers some nights
when we write on Tuesdays, A fucking pumpkin spice rappuccino.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Yeah, come on, it makes you happy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
The endorphins are soaring when you're drinking one of those.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
Yes, and it's delics so good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Everybody, everybody cut it out and I.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Just it's like, you know, we just got our little
first nip a fall and already like people taken to
their stories like it's the first time anyone's ever said this. No,
I'm like, I've I'm true to this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Quickly we forget You're You're not new to this, You're true.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
No, I've been down here, out and proud and I'm sorry,
but I still sam Okay, are you ready?

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
I am ready? Okay, this is Bone Yang's I don't
think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
We didn't have a song of the summers when Fast
by Debbie Levada was right fucking there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
You me the eye line?

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
How dare you?

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
She's giving you incredible vision, vocals and completely serving kunt
while chaos is around her, explosions and more.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
You were being fed a feast.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
That was nutritious, ethically made.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
Gorgeously performed, and still you're like pushing your plate away, going,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
We didn't get served dinner tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Second given something so premium, and now that it's the Fall,
and now that this album it's not that deepest coming out,
this is your second chance at redeeming your little mind
and understanding that you've been given something incredible. Fifties stream
it now October twenty fourth, or whenever this comes out,
do it today.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I'm telling you you won't regret it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
It's got banger after banger and it ends in one
perfect battle that ties the whole album sonically together.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
And we are so lucky to have Demi la Vado
here on our podcast. That's one minute.

Speaker 6 (01:30:49):
Yeah, that was amazing and also that was mine.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Wow, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Your version?

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Do your version? Care?

Speaker 6 (01:30:57):
Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Yes? This is Demul. I don't think so howney, your
time starts now.

Speaker 6 (01:31:02):
I don't think so honey. There's no song of the summer.
What are you talking about? Not only that I release fast,
thank you very much, but there's so many incredible songs
that came out this summer with all the pop girlies
having their moments. I mean, you've got a Della Della
who I stand so hard. You've got Gaga, You've got Sabrina,

(01:31:26):
You've got Tate McCrae, You've got Kasha, You've got Kim Petres,
you've got Kate Pantherss. You've got all these incredible, incredible artists.
And that's just like the tip of the iceberg. I
could keep going about how incredible these pop girlies are
and so inspiring to me. But what do you I
think there's you get stuck on. Everyone has brain rotten

(01:31:48):
now and they can't think past the thirty second tik
talk mark, which I totally relate.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
I want to talk to but five seconds.

Speaker 6 (01:31:56):
But there was Songs of the Summer, and if you
are looking for one, just streams as.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Yeah, so honey, that is Demi Levado tearing it up.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
Like I was gonna say, like, oh my god, you
not you lifting up all these girlies, Like that's so
special and beautiful.

Speaker 6 (01:32:14):
Well they deserve their shine.

Speaker 5 (01:32:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Also, you know what like Fast incredible, like man Child incredible,
Like no one really talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
No Broke Boys as the song of the s.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
And even like when people online make those lists of
like here's everything it could have been, and it's like
this this list, it's like No brook Boys isn't even
on any of that. I'm like, did it come out
too soon?

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
As it came out?

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
Yeah, technically came out on She's album last year, which
maybe people are there's no cutoff, there's no cutoff.

Speaker 6 (01:32:42):
Cool for the Summer came back ten years later with
a Vengeance.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Yeah, here we got I was paying a speed up
version too, and people.

Speaker 6 (01:32:49):
Loved it, so like there's no time limit on this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
No, you have had like one, are you like aware
that sorry Not Sorry is the best drag racelip think
of all time?

Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
Like, no, I'm aware, I'm fully aware. I gagged just
like the.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Way that they were tearing themselves apart.

Speaker 6 (01:33:06):
It was so fucking good.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
Yeah, and then they ended up being the top two, right,
But it's like they they're not able to do that
unless you supply the vocal thank you, you're motivating them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
To fucking do that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
I still go back and watch that performance.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
I mean, let's just say this, A lot of my
friends are looking forward to my drag performance of Here
All Night based on what I do.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Yeah, because it is like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
What I was I doing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
I was like running and going and then like I
have to see one of these days into some look
that references or does not reverence who knows, but like, yeah, no,
that song is like it's built into the track and
I'm like I was looking at So Brett played it
for us. We were working on our award show and
he's producing songs for it. He was like, I can

(01:33:54):
play you the single that I Think is going to
be the single. It wasn't decided yet, but I can
play it for you guys once we're like sure it
and so listening to it, I was just like you
really gave the Queen something to chew on here. There's
so much like movement in it and energy into it
and like stings that yes, fun, Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:34:12):
It's so fun to sing like I can't wait to
perform that one live.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Yeah, I know I'm excited about that because you have
not performed a live yet. No, yes, fresh out. See
it's weird because like we've had the album now for
several weeks, so already I'm like off book on a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Oh god, I know that we know the words. It's
it's been in the that thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
This is going to be a monster.

Speaker 6 (01:34:34):
I'm so excited about Kiss.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
That has to be a single?

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
Right, well, I never know because like sometimes it's like
at least it used.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
To be in the old days.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Maybe you agree as being one of the girls, like
it felt like if you put out two singles that
were really up tempo, the third one like had to
give more of like introspective ballad moment, especially when you're
you and can serve that you it's I guess you
don't feel I'm gonna tell.

Speaker 6 (01:35:02):
Y'all the next single when we're off the air, and
I want to hear your thoughts kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
It could be so many things. So excited, Yeah, I think.

Speaker 6 (01:35:12):
I think I have my my next single planned, but
there's also a moment for what the fans really want.
We're trying to like figure out what that looks like. Yeah,
so we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
It's good that you're not being rigid about it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:27):
Then yeah, I'm really not Has.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
That ever happened in the past, Like where one song
because I have to tell you, I put on my
story the other day just tell me you love me.
I was like this album, like revisit it just because
I was revisiting it, and the number of people that
responded being like daddy issues, Oh my god, Yes, that
song has its gripts and people, even all these years later, like,

(01:35:51):
have have the fans response ever fully.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Dictated a single choice?

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Yes, Yes, has happened.

Speaker 6 (01:35:58):
Yes, I would say, like give your heart a break?
Really really that one too, Like I didn't actually want
to release that as a single. I was like, it's
a cute pop song, but like I don't know that
I want to go and promote give your Heart a
Break as like my single, like you have to do

(01:36:18):
all the time, you have to do it all the time.
And I was like, I don't know that I feel
super strongly about this, but the fan reaction was really great,
and so we were like, let's try it, and it
ended up being my first like big radio song.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
So really glad that I went with that one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
Sometimes it's worth it to listen to I guess what
a lot of people who are essensibly going.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
To be the people listening are.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
Yeah, but daddyish is though. I mean, no one's ever wailed,
no one's ever wailed on the word therapy.

Speaker 6 (01:36:49):
Insane to I have to go back and listen to it.
I haven't heard it in so long.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
You'll be proud of yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:36:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
It really was.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
It's like you don't expect it to go there either,
and so when it does, you're kind of like, is
that thing we said earlier? Of like I'm laughing because
I didn't expect that to be the hit, but also
like yeah, real real, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
We all have them, we got them. This has been
a spectacular episode.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
It's over, no no.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Keeping you because you're going to watch what happens like right,
I am. That's gonna be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
We do okay, okay, okay, quick thoughts, quick thoughts. I
hope some dreams going into the thing we have tonight.
As of this recording, uh, this new season have been out,
we'll have been out, but we have not seen them yet.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
What do you what do you? What do you think?

Speaker 6 (01:37:39):
I I love all of them. I have my opinions about.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
All of that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Of course, do you keep them to close?

Speaker 6 (01:37:46):
To keep them close to my chest? I don't want
to be mean, but like we have opinions. You know,
they're they're you know, yes. But I will say that
I met Meredith Marks at the Paper Magazine party. She
was so fab is gorgeous, gorgeous, love her. And I'm

(01:38:09):
meeting Angie k tonight, which I'm we are so excited
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
To tell Angie that you were with us today. I
will because actually her first watch for Mappens Life was
with her, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
And it was a really special woman because she was
so nervous and I was just there to like just
kind of like calm her down, and like I think
we've formed like a lifelong connection.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
She's like, I'm so happy you were my first time.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
She's going to be so excited to you.

Speaker 6 (01:38:33):
I'm so excited. I feel like I hope she's wearing
her sunglasses.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Yes, yeah, I think it's a high probability.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Amazing, incredible, tough to be both an Angie Stan and
Emeritith Stan because you know you're like but those are
the reason those two work as like rivals is because
they're just equally beloved and you are just kind of
like they're both iconic.

Speaker 6 (01:38:57):
But I feel like no matter who's fighting, like I
have a different favorite every week, you know what I'm saying,
Like it changes, you know what I mean. And they're
and they're all fighting with.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Each other, and it's like five episodes in a row.
I'll be like, I'm Whitney Rose. I'm running so hard
for Whitney Rose. And then there'll be a sext episode
like Whitney Rose see, and then the next episode will
be like Whitney Rose Lover Lover. You'll see now that
you because we've met them a few times, because we're
around the same stuff, like often with the Bravo and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Yes, they're amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
Once you meet them, it becomes incredibly hard to form
like a critical opinion of them because that's my friend.

Speaker 6 (01:39:32):
Yes, Like, now I feel like I'm going to have
this connection to them, and I can't say my opinions
that I may have had when I first watched the show,
you know what I'm saying. So yeah, I'm That's why
I don't want to like say any of my opinions
that I had, because I don't you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
So I'm sure Andy's going to ask you about them tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
He will.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
I think they also understand that they're like they're they're
being put on the spot, and like we don't hold
it against them. I've said things in the past about
certain half sites who like have since been like, oh, totally,
it's fine, Like I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
We're on a TV show, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
So that's good. I mean, it was like the start
of a beautiful relationship we now have with Lisa Rena.
One time we were on watching What Happens Live and
they were asking about Rinna and I was just like,
I wish she wouldn't do this, this, this, And she
got in the DMS and she was like, hey, I
didn't like that comment, and I was like, Lisa, I
only made it because I feel like I know you
pera socially and I apologize.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
I was like, you are right, I was out of line,
et cetera. She came to our Cultural Awards crush. Now
we're friends. She's been on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:40:32):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
So it had a happy ending. Thank you for staying these.

Speaker 6 (01:40:35):
Extra just to get out like yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
You need you need to get married at the time
you brooks Marks.

Speaker 6 (01:40:42):
Oh my god, I need I need a track suit.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
I met brooks too.

Speaker 6 (01:40:47):
He was so sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Yeah he's great.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
But that track shoot is comfy. And for my gig
guys out there, it like lifts and it like it
like gives you like it's really it looks good in
your ass's saying brooks Marks knows something. I guess that'll
be my last thought. If we love you, congratulations, love
you two.

Speaker 6 (01:41:05):
Thank you for having me. This so so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
We end every episode with a song, the song of
the Summer.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
I want to go fast, I wanta go hard, I
wanna go anywhere anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
And if you want to hear that song much better
and a single go forth, Bye Bye, yay.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
Lost Culture Reach This is the production by Will Ferrell's
Big Money Players and I Heart Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang,
executive produced by Anna Hasby and produced by Becker Ramos.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
Edited and mixed by Doug Bame. And our music is
by Henry Murski

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