“Which Eye?” (w/ Lisa Rinna)

Matt + Bow welcome their new pal, noted pop culture icon and famous M&M Lisa Rinna to Las Cultch. The three talk about Lisa Rinna as Hollywood Rorschach, how Real Housewives can feel like professional wrestling, and learning to think out loud on reality TV. Also, the decision to return to reality TV with Traitors season 4, Rinna’s sartorial vibe in high school, and the culture that made Rinna say culture was for her: Dynasty. All this, first getting together with Harry Hamlin, watching her daughters become supermodels, where Lisa’s relationship with Andy Cohen stands today and how she looks back on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Let’s TALK about the husband and so much more. We’ll see you on January 7th for new episodes of Las Cultch.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (00:58):
Marire, Oh, I see you my own and look over
there is that the culture? Yes, Lost cultu ding Lost
Culturesa's calling.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's the day of days, It's the days of our lives.
Oh so can I tell you growing up, my mom,
Katrina Rogers, was an ABC soap person. So in our
house was General Hospital all my children and what was

(01:32):
the other one? No passions and also passions had like
witch craft, vampires and which.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah I'm forgetting the third one, but those those what
is it?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
One life?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
And so my intro to our guest was not soaps.
It was actually red carpet and hosting, which.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
As we now know, yes, I mean now they're they're
really dipping into like an interesting talent. But we'll get
into this later. But it's like Gabby wedding doing the
red carpet, the VMA's slave. Also, that is a hard
job and very hard. This is hard work and we
will get into this, into the nitty gritty. That is
a really good first exposure. My first exposure, yes, Ronica
Mars with the amazing, hairy Harry Hamlin, and that was

(02:21):
when I knew. I was like, there's something about this actor.
She is amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's one of those it's true pop culture iconography because
it's not just one thing, it's so many different things. Obviously,
our guest is a beloved, memorable fixture from the Real
Housewives of Beverly Hills and now has like I feel,
had this incredible new wind as like a fashion icon,
which always has been it was always true, but it's

(02:48):
truly walking in motion now and I think I could
call it the highlight of our awards show of our
lost culture is those culture Awards, particularly one moment, all
of it.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
But you know, in the moment I'm talking about. There
were several highlights, much like Kelly Clarkson's hair during the
first season of American Idol.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
You really just went there. And by went there, I
mean showed that we are millennial gay guys.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
But there were several highlights. I think one of the
most stunning streaks of the show was our guest truly
giving an embodied performance. This is where you go. That's right.
She's an actor, she is she knows how to play
in a heightened reality like this.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I thought Moore was on stage. I thought I was,
like many people thought to me, more on stage. We
had to make a big show out of announcing our
guest so that the audience could tell what was happening.
But I mean, I think there was just a lot
of you know, discourse and chatter. The next day and
in the weeks after about that being a particular highlight
of the show. Absolutely, she's an Icontrius of fashion legend,

(03:54):
she's an acting legend.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
We love her. She's a patron of theater. Because we
will get into this. This is our first meeting. Yeah,
oh yes, of course you told me about this immediately.
And podcaster as well. Let's not talk about the husband.
I listen to the pod.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's presented by Deer Media alongside Yes, Harry Hamlin. They
continue to be a very rich duo in love, in life,
in podcasting, and more and more.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
We're so thrilled to geez here, everyone give it up
for We're so happy.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
That was so fun to just sit and listen to. Well,
I I could have that every day. I would just
walk around like a queen.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
You should, like you should. But the thing is, there
is so much to talk with you about, about like
the impact that you've had in the entertainment industry, the
roles that you've played, both like you know, in terms
of acting and in terms of like functioning in this industry.
You are truly what it means to be like a

(05:02):
Hollywood man's day.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, thank you. I certainly have survived for a very
long time survived survivor. I think I've been in the
business now thirty six years.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Wow, But the word survive implies like perilies.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Damn, that's true. But this business can be like that,
you know it can. And I feel like I feel
like I'm still here, you know, because I am. I'm
still here and I've gotten to do so many great
things thanks to you. My last great thing I got
to do was truly one of the highlights. I'm not
even kidding.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
It won't be the final thing.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
No, it certainly isn't going to be the final thing
unless I'm dead.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
No, with the awards like you are, welcome.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Back, Oh great, fantastic. You're never going to get rid
of me at this moment. But that was so much
fun because again, I think when I went to do
my reality stint for eight years is just a very
long time there for a while, people tend to forget
that I'm an actor. Yes, that's how I began, That's
what I am, so to go and play those characters. Yeah,

(06:08):
dream come true. It was really fun. So thank you
so much.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And I will say, like, when when I think people
think you're you are like a little bit of a
roar shock. It's like, it's like you think of Lisa Renna,
and probably everyone that watches pop culture may think of
a different thing.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Is that your experience it is?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
And of late mostly is that damn eminem at least
one of those.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Feelings, your honest feelings about the eminem, because I imagine
it's complicated.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's complicated only because I think it's so weird, because
I literally did that campaign fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Ago, right, so with Joey Fatone? Who else was it?

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Joey Fatone and I were doing the red carpet for
the TV Guide network. Now who thought of that casting?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, but that's that's what I mean though. That's probably
when like you, I remember you on a carpet, I
remember you on a red carpet, like interviewing that was
like the Lisa ren I first, all right, that.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Lisa Reno was with Joey Fatone on the red carpet.
They came to us, paid us a good chunk of money,
from what I remember money. Do you want to be
an eminem? Wouldn't you want to be?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Absolutely? We would you would be like yes? But so
it does feel like an honor then, because I can't
look at that, and I amount that is iconic.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Oh, it's so. I mean back then I thought it
was iconic, and that was before social media, was before everything,
before the damn phones. Really, so the fact that it
came back fifteen years later on TikTok is what I
can't figure out.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, it's not up to us, it's not for us
to know it's not.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
It sort of isn't. I guess it's sort.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Of this thing lately that I think is happening, which
is it takes one person with not even a big platform,
with the right platform, to say I want to. I
even feel like that a little bit. With the Cultural Awards.
It's like some of the polls, like from like New
Culture and Old Culture, we feel like we're rolling the dice,
Like it's like, are people going to remember this reference?

(07:58):
And then they do do and it suddenly gets life,
you know. But I do think that's what we're living
in right now, Like, because the Lisa eminem is an
iconic image, if the right person puts that forth, we
can expect in twenty twenty five going forward that that
might just dominate exactly.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
But you don't think, but you don't think it's an
accident though, because it's like, on the one hand, there's
something totally let's say random about the eminem coming back,
but then on the other it's this very intentional thing
that you're in control over, which is, I'm going to
show up to fashion Week. I'm gonna dress in like
this Balenciaga to commemorate the Beunsliaga of like the last

(08:37):
whatever years. You are making choices in your own life.
And then on the parallel track is like, oh, the
internet just dug up this thing from fifteen years ago,
you know what I mean? Yeah, we're still playing the
Amsterdam episode of Housewives, you know what I mean? Yeah,
it will keep, it will keep working in tandem with
whatever you decide to do.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
And thank you very much and thank god. I guess right.
I think that's the beauty of it all. And it's
so funny to see my kids reaction.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
What do they think? What the girls think?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
You know?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
What?

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Can you imagine having me as your mom? I mean
you probably both can.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
But similar to you, and I went back and watched
your first episode in season five. I was like gonna
be like refreshed, did you is just in preparation for
this episode and the first I don't know if you
remember this. The first moment of the family is Harry
brings in a snake from the garden and Amelia and

(09:28):
Delilah are like, oh, get that out, and it's this
beautiful moment of family. And then when you're talking how
you're like, I'm never happier than when all four people
are under one.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
That's the truth. But you still feel the way that
way has not changed. Nothing's really changed, to be honest.
I think now that they're older, they're just seeing everything
is being sent to them, and you know, as mom,
you don't go, oh here, you guys want to go
watch Days of Our Lives or Melrose Place or whatever,
and so they're getting it sent to them now. And

(09:57):
I think they get a kick out of me, which
is you want your kids to get a kick out
of you.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well, also it's because it's they're probably now reaching the
age or approaching that time when like they can now
see you from when you were similar age to them.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yes, there's a lot of that, especially Days of Our Lives.
I mean that's the same age that Delilah is right now.
I did that, so it really truly is it's fascinating
and it's been so fun and I'm so grateful. I mean,
look what I've gotten to do for so many years. Yeah, yeah,
and it changes all the time, and it's because you.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Know, you know what the thing is.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
And this is why we were so enthusiastic about having
you at the Culture Awards and we're so excited to
have you here, is because you know, you're always going
to bring fun and I feel like we try to
center a lot of fun in what we do, and
I feel like when you arrived, you brought such a
great energy to the show and such different specific energies
to each of those moments, and it all ended up

(10:54):
in that moment of law Roach giving you the Outfit
of the Year award for Lisa whatever the fuck she wants.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I mean, come on, that to me was the highlight
of the show.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
That was your speech.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh like, your speech was the highlight of the show
because I felt like, and it happening on Bravo too,
I thought was so special because how about that?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
That wow?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
About that?

Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know what's funny?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Like we were putting this, putting the show together in
the edit, and obviously you know you were there.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
The show was long. We recorded for about three hours.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, but I said, you know what, all parts of
this Lisa in a speech have to be there because
I was like, you, people have to understand this is
going to really resonate with an audience that did know Lois,
that did see the girls grow up, that is going
to be happy to see you, like winning one of the.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Final awards of the night, even though they're silly awards.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
The still moment of recognission, I feel like it means
something for it to happen on that network.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
It certainly did, and I didn't expect it. This kind
of just came about, you know, and I was like, yes, yes, yes,
I'll do anything. And then you came up with the
skits that I would do, Like I had no idee
what I was going to do. I was just like, yes,
i'll do it. I don't care what I do, I'll
do it.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
She's walking outfit of the year, I'll do whatever.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
And so the fact that it's then on Bravo, how
full circle?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Pretty full circle.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
And I wasn't even ready for that full circle, do
you know what I mean? Like it came around and
I was like, oh, maybe I am ready for it.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, what were the misgivings? About it. Were there any.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Well, yes, there were a few misgivings because my last
moment on Bravo was not my finest hour. It was
it did not feel great to me.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
It just felt just murky. I wouldn't even say chaotic.
It was just like, wait, so we can't like as
an audience, I'll speak for us, like we didn't know
how to feelbout it because we're like, well, we don't
none of us can know what really happened about which
we don't have to talk about it. But it's like
there's no resolution for the audience or for you. Yeah,
but the way that we see Lisa brynnant this yeah,

(12:55):
true wonderful, prevalent figure in the Bravo verse, and then
you're just kind of like go away, and it's it's
there's a feeling of like unease there. And so I
I'm so grateful that you came back and did the
show because it just felt like there was a period
on it. Finally, that's what.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
It gave me, to be honest with you, to be
able to go back in that way in a in
a winning way, you know, I felt like a winner
as opposed to being booed on you know the stage
it probably Yeah, I have.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
To say I couldn't believe that that I happened and
we weren't there for that one. But but that felt
really like and you know, we talk oftentimes about how
like in times when it feels like you can't it's
like the things you love the most sometimes when you're
a fan of something are the things that you like
feel you can lash out on a little bit. And

(13:50):
with bravidiance, for sure, I was gonna say, it feels
even more intense. So it almost feels like they weren't
booing you as a human. They were booming you as
an extension and be to be part of the show.
But still you're up there a human being being sued.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
But you know, it's funny because I actually took it
as a good thing when it happened. Because to me,
even though I'm Lisa Renna on Beverly Hills Housewives, I'm
a character. I mean, you're not really getting to see
the full me, Like you see this much of me,

(14:24):
and you see me reacting off of other women being
crazy or throwing things at me, things that are not
necessarily in my wheelhouse in my day to day life.
So when I went out at first, It's funny because
I was standing in line with Erica. I had no
idea that was going to happen. She says to me,
they may boo you. I turned around. I was like,

(14:45):
what do you mean. She goes, they might boo you
just get ready. I was like, oh, I didn't even
think about it. So when they did, it wasn't like
such a shock because she had literally just said it
to me two seconds earlier, and my reaction was like, okay, cool.
In the back my mind because the wrestlers I used
to watch on TV, The Good Ones.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
One book, I was going to bring up wrestling, but
it's not wrestling though, because there is like some of
the conflicts are there's a layer of stagedness to but.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
It's real, real, real, Henny.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
It's real. It's not like the underticker the rock Stone,
cald Steve Austin walking out there like it's Lisa Renna,
It's Erica Jane. These are people who and and then
like the seasons that like proceed from that also are
informed by these moments, like a Bravo con this is
what happened, Like yeah, because that's the difference here. The
veil of between reality and the heightened version of reality

(15:39):
is very thin.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's very thin like that.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
But that must be that must affect you in some way.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Well, it's hard because if you come into it as
an actor like I did, Yes, it's different if you
come into it and you've really never done anything before,
like Sagery. She comes into it, she's done many other things,
but she's never been on camera showing her real life.
I think it's easier for someone like Dree than it
is actually for me to come in. And I can

(16:07):
see why in the very beginning, because you know, I
was up for the show in the very beginning and
Andy said, no, no actors. And I can see why
he said that, because as an actor, you know, we
view cameras and directors and producers and everybody differently than
if you're doing a reality show. And I'll never forget

(16:28):
I had a meeting with everybody because I wasn't so
sure about it at first, and the producer came in
and he said, I'm just going to give you some advice.
Think out loud. You need to think out loud, and
I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? But as
as an actor, I went oh, I need to think
out loud.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, I certainly did, do you know what I'm saying
an issue for you?

Speaker 3 (16:52):
But in my real life I never said how I
felt like. I mean, I grew up not being somebody
that was expressive that way. So at first it was
hard for me, and then of course it.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Just and there wasn't almost liberating there for a while.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's kind of like, because I remember when I started
watching Housewives, because there was a time in my life
where I was saying, just the one thing I know
I'll never do is I'm not going to watch the
Real Housewives, and then and then it was like, oh,
I remember one time. It was literally I was just like,
it just doesn't feel like it's for me, and I
put on I believe. The first franchise I watched was

(17:27):
New York and I put it on and I was
just like, wait, I feel like I get this. And
what I really felt like improved about me from watching
it was I wasn't scared to be like, hey, I
have an issue with what you just did and I
want to talk about it exactly.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
It actually exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
To not become a more confrontational person. But it made
me understand that conflict can actually not all the time
as we see on the show, but oftentimes it was
a result result be resolved and make people better and
make friendship stronger. For example, when you were first on
the show, you and Jury just could not see eye

(18:03):
to eye until you had that conversation in the.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
On the wheel in the wheel and that wheels the
wheel weird thing in the Vegas and.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Then it felt like you guys never really had a
major issue. Again, No, and that's.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
The beauty also of that show. If you can work
through things, which of course in real life you don't.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Do a whole lot right because you're not being forced to.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
You're not being forced to and being forced to. I
have to tell you, it was so uncomfortable. I am
somebody who does not like conflict, if you can believe it.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
No, it really it did help.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Me in many ways. It also helped me in my acting, Yeah,
for sure, because you really have to say how you feel,
you think about how do I feel right now and
express it. That's hard as a real person.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Of course. But I think what you innovated in the
show across all the franchises is I think you were
the first housewife to break the Fourth Wall and to.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Break a glass note and to break.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
A glass but thank god you did to make it
fourth wall and say I'm here to make a TV
that is the actor in you.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Ah, well, that's true, and I can't help that. I
was there to make good TV. I wasn't there to
make best friends. I wasn't there to get a fan
base to love me. I'm not one of those people
that go on Twitter and find out what everyone's saying
and then skew that so that I don't be you know,
don't have horrible people.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
You and I mean started at the same time, which
was interesting, and he's like no actors, and then he
brings on too at the.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Same time, which was quite brilliant to soap actors. I
mean we both came from soaps in a sense.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, we loved Ailien too. We missed her. Are you
connected with Aleens?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I do.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I mean I talked to her from time to time,
but you know, you don't work with people again, of
course you lose that little moment. But when I see her,
of course, I just she's one of the special ones.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yes, So one of the things that I feel like
is a symptom of being in this business is those
things happen, right. You book a job, you become close
with people, and then as a result of the job ending,
you do move on or you make new you know
friends and you know relationships and.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
New jobs and that purpose. It's so different in what
we do.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
But for a show like Housewives, where it is you're
performing as friends, but also it is real and you
are real friends. Have you kept those friends? Like are
you still close with not to say your allies on
the show, but the people who like had your back
on the show.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
I am yeah. Like this weekend I went to Kyle
Richards's daughters, Alexia Alexia's wedding. She invited me herself. Alexia
invited me, and I've known her since she was, oh
my god, a young girl.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
And to me, even though I don't see those women
all the time, I will go and support in love,
in friendship, in all of that, because whether we're trauma
bonded or what we are the bond, there is a
bond there. And I love a handful of those women.
I think you all know which ones. I don't even
think I have to tell you which I really do.

(21:03):
And I have dinner with them and you know, they
did want to film me, and I said no. I
did say no to the filming at the wedding because
I didn't feel that that was what it was about.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I was there, Oh, they were shooting the wedding.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
They shot it sort of a little bit. I mean
they had producer cameras there, which iPhones on steroids, you
know what I mean. But I felt, no, you're not
going to get me back that way. I'm going to
go and support my friend and her daughter and my
my other friends at this wedding. Yeah, I felt good
about that saying no, I'd love to come, but no,

(21:36):
you can't shoot me.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
That's what you're in control. That's that's what you were
saying earlier. I'm going to show you this much, and
it gets to be on your terms.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Now, see, when you're doing that show, it really doesn't
get to be on your terms, you know, and on
a lot of I mean, does it get to be
on your terms? On Saturday Night Live question right.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
On weeks where you're like, I've got nothing, the well
is bone dry, I still have to write a sketch
that probably won't be received. Well, then that's like docs
against me, you know, It's that kind of thing. This
is like I want to talk about soap acting.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh, because this is you guys have to be off
book on reams of paper of.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Forty pages, sometimes of dialogue forty I would have twenty
to forty pages of dialogue a day.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
How long did you do?

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Three years?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Three years of days?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Three years?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, so that's first job. Really, that's that's olympic.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
It's olympic. But it trains you. You know, if you
don't get the chance to go to Juilliard or you know.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yale, or do you get your education?

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Oh honey, you get your education. You learn how to
be professional. Because you've got forty people waiting for you.
You can't fuck around. Nope, You're like, you better know
your lines. And most of the time I would be
working with people that have been on the show for
years and years and years that used cue cards, because
that's how after being on the show for twenty five
years you got to It's very hard to learn, of course,

(22:54):
of course, so to learn how to act with somebody
who's looking over here while you're here was very difficult.
I could never do the que cards, so I had
to memorize my life.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Got it? I mean there is there's a common thing
among soap actors where Sarah Sherman said this when she
when she went on General Hospital, she was like, can
you guys cry on cue? All the actors go which I?

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Which I?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
They do?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
It's true, yes, and that's why I want Oh didro
Hall could cry out it? She'd say, do you want
left or right?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Which I is the title of that?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Which seriously so cut to when I had the moment
with the bunny on Housewives.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Oh my god, did you which I here?

Speaker 3 (23:36):
No, no, because I never could do it. It just
happened accidentally. I could never make that happen. But I
was so proud because I did it. But I didn't
really do it.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
But I did it, No, because you were living accident.
You did it with the camera that is. I think
it's it's.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Top five all Bravo images. Is just you glaring at
her with that.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Telling you the genius of their editing at times, I mean,
come on, and the crackling of the cellophane.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I actually just every time we go into the clubhouse.
We've been lucky to go many times, but this last time,
everyone where we where we went to go promote the
Cultural Awards, I was like, not only am I looking
at the bunny, I'm holding the bunny.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
She does crackle, she crackles.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
And the way that they did that in the editing,
it's so good. You know, I didn't plan that. I
went and got a present and instead of wrapping it,
they were like, do you want it in cellophane with
a bow? Yeah, Like, there's no planning to it.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
That's what butterfly effect, that's what that.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Is the magic. Anytime that can happen, that's the magic. Yeah,
you can't plan it. You're doing something actually good for
somebody or trying to and then it turns into this
meme that is never going to go away.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Really so, because I always feel whenever we have someone
on the show that's gone through the reality show process,
one of the things I think is the most interesting
is how it feels to see yourself edited into a character,
because they do have to do that, and of course

(25:10):
it's you, but it is there are edges they have
to give you depending on what they need season to season.
So leaving Housewives out of it because you move on
from Housewives and now we're going to see you on
the Traders, I wonder about, like what it was like
to I've obviously have that put to you and be like, look,
here's an opportunity to do the Traders. You know, it's

(25:31):
a fun show, but it's another opportunity for us to
edit you. So can you talk through what the process
was just without even getting into right now what happened
getting that offer and feeling like, okay, am I engaging? Well?

Speaker 3 (25:47):
First I said I do not want to do it. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
You said no, wow? Why?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Well, because I watched it and I thought it's enjoyable
to watch. I don't want to do it stressful?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Is that why?

Speaker 3 (25:58):
And reality? And really I just was quite ready when
I first when they were first like dangling it, I
was like, I love to watch it, don't want to
do it. Yeah, But then then people started to say,
oh my god, I think you'd be so great on it,
Oh my god, have you really watched it? And I'd
only watched a little bit of it. My agent's my managing.
All those people are like, I think you should do it.
I think it'd be the greatest thing for you, and

(26:19):
here's why, X Y and Z. So I kept getting
a lot of that, a lot of that, and listen
it's not like I don't. I will listen if it
starts to make sense to me and I can start
to go okay, I authentically can understand that. And so
because it's won the Emmy, Alan just won I think
his second Emmy, So you know, I know how that

(26:42):
kind of stuff works. So I'm no dummy to go right.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, it's different. It's a gameplay too.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
And it's a game, and so I did a lot
of talking and research and asking questions, and they were
very open with me at Peacock if you need to
talk to us, you know, because I wasn't sure. What
really made me go, you know what I'm going to do.
It is that it's a game. It's not real. So

(27:08):
you're playing a game, which again in my mind is
like I can be an actor playing a character in
a sense. It doesn't have to be like I'm not
going to go in and be mean to somebody right now.
For real, it's a game.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
You might have to be accusational, you might have to
try a trick someone into saying something, but it's a game.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
And I didn't see any cruelness or meanness in a
sense that you can see it in the housewifranchise.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I didn't see it interesting because then is the gameplay
taking pressure off of you as an actor? To go
I don't have to worry about making good TV in
the same way that I did on Housewives.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Well, you know, unfortunately, I always worry about making I
always think about making that unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
That's not unfortunately what I do.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
You know, it's in my mind. It isn't unfortunate, but
that's how my brain works. It's not like I'm trying
to make good TV.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
The producing gisation is not correct, but it's just you're
just thinking about how to be entertaining exactly.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Because I'm an entertainer. At the end of the day,
I consider myself an entertainer. Yes, right, yes, that's what
I do. So going in was terrifying. I have to
be honest, it was terrifying because number One, I'm terrible
at playing games. I'm just not a good game player.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Game night is not your night.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
No, I'm good at Uno, that's it, you know, the
Barlow God.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
It's a pretty hard game to master.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
But yeah, pretty good at Uno. But that's it. So
I'm not a master game player. I'm not a gamer,
which is usually the show's very stacked with gamers, and
those gamers know how to game man.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
And this season, this upcoming season, you look at the
cast like they did pick some fearsome Survivor winners.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Of Survivor, like big time winners of Big Brother. So
I think that is the part that scared me. It
was like, I'm going to suck, but okay, why not,
Let's go try it. And again, I always think, if
you can get a good piece of real estate on television,
take it, take it, you take it. And that's what
Lisa Renna thinks, like this was a great piece of

(29:12):
real estate offered to me, take it or leave it,
and I took it. That's basically it, because I know
I can I can do something with good real estate.
I can't do that much with shitty real estate, but
I can do something with good real estate.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Of course, it's an investment. And honestly, you must have
known Alan, right, you knows.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
No, I am so obsessed with him, talk about the
most professional, most awesome performer shows up, does his job
on time like wow, yeah, he's well yeah, and he
produces it also it matters to him. Yes, I can't

(29:54):
talk much about it. I love to but I was
so impressed with him. I don't even know if I
can say this, but I'm going to say it. Yeah,
when we do the round table, Sure, when Alan comes
in and it's such a big deal and they pipe
it all up and they get you all going, he
stands in the back the entire time, just standing there.
You don't see him on camera, but sometimes that goes

(30:17):
on for an hour, an hour and a half, he's
standing there listening.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
I thought that was, well, it's pretty amazing, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Like, I think he probably takes it seriously as the
performer because it's he knows it's his job too. He's
the master of ceremonies and to speak, not dissimilar to
his iconic role as the MC and cabaret.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
He knows what it means to set tone.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Oh and does he set that tone? Honey? And I
think you had to. I felt that you have to
rise to that occasion also in your own way, like
everyone brings their own thing to it. And that is
what was exciting.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
I thought, I think you hearing you talk about him,
you would be an incredible host of a show like that.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Would be fun. It would be fun. Now that I've
watched great a great host do it. Yeah, because boy
does he deserve those emmys.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Oh yeah, absolutely. And you're in the drag Race family.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah you guessed that four three three on Logo.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
On Love.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I miss I missed her being a lube commercial, right,
you know what I mean? Like there, it used to
really be for the community.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
I mean at the time, nobody knew what.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
It was exactly.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
And of course I was like, you bet, you'll do it.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I'll go to the competition.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Ever, but I'd never seen like it.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Same thing though real Estate Prime real Estate on TV
and like you you will do good with that real estate,
no matter, and like that must mean that you thought
our little show was the same.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I knew it. Very honored, of course I knew it.
Look at it's the two of you.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Stop, It's true.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
I'm no dummy that way. I know those things.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Oh quickly. I have to say I caught up with
Eric Noam recently and he said that he had a
fabulous time. He really likes you. How has Lisa? He said,
Lisa's very good and he was very tight lipped about
it as well. You gotta be that's part of it.
Like whenever so.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I adore him.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
He's wonders.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I adored everybody actually good like everybody it.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Did, but he was the show like a good cast
because even the housewives they had chosen. I got really
excited because there's been a couple of housewives that I've
been saying for a while would be really good. You've
been one of them. Candace was one of them. Love
Candace Love. Just like there was a really good vibe
and energy around it. But I just wanted to ask,
because another big opportunity with this show is the fashion

(32:44):
and now you are you are, you know, an icon
in this regard. So how long were you planning looks?
How long did you have to plan looks?

Speaker 1 (32:54):
You have?

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I had a while. I had a while. I thought
about it for a long time because I, okay, you
got Alan. Yeah, Alan is the king of the looks.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Absolutely he is.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
He's it. Yeah, So I thought long and hard about it.
I could have brought fashion Renna in, I could have
brought Cotur Renna, and I could have brought all of that.
Didn't bring any of that in. Okay, Well, you're gonna
have to wait and see. You're gonna have to wait
and see. It's like a vibe that I put together
or that we put together that just felt like it worked.

(33:28):
We had a fitting and we just tried all this
stuff on and we just created outfits and we created
a vibe. There is a trader's vibe. It's nothing that
you've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Oh that's so exciting. I mean, so I have to
imagine that you and your stylists. It must be the
most fun.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
It is. It's the most fun. I love fashion and
expressing myself that way more than anything besides acting. Because
I can play characters. I can have so much fun.
And I'm not afraid. I'm really not afraid in fashion,
and I don't know where that comes from. I really
don't know why. I take the risks that I do
much more than most women would do, especially even most

(34:09):
women at my age. They just don't. They do the
same thing different. Well, they're afraid, right, It's just it's fear.
It's safer to like stay in your safe, you know. Lane,
I'm like, fuck that. I want to just blow it
out of the water. I want to do everything, and
I've had the time of my life, so it's fun.
Every time. It's different. It's just different. Every time you.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
So much like that in high school?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Like what like what what was your what was your
like sartorial vibe in like high school and being a
young person.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I wanted so badly to be that in high school.
But I grew up in a very very small town
in mer Medford, Oregon, and I was vilified for doing
it like I did at one time, and I was
so bullied that I was scared to death to do
it again. So I went back to like my you know,
short shorts, and.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Do you remember what it was?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
You were exactly I know exactly what was it? I
got my first Fogue magazine at sixteen. I forget who
was on the cover. I should remember that, but there
was a picture inside a girl wearing a sweater dress,
a burgundy sweater dress, buttons down the back. I don't
think anyone had ever seen that. Sure, brown suede pumps. Yeah,

(35:19):
back in nineteen you guys, I wore that. It went
down to San Francisco, we went shopping. I literally found
that outfit. I wore it, and no, ma'am uh huh
never again.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
So they were threatened, well, they were scared.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
They didn't know I look like her freak to.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
That because if she's rolling the dice, I might have
to roll the dice and I'm not ready to.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
No, whatever it was, it was too soon, too early,
too much, But it started then, it started even maybe
before that, I think.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
So then you withdraw I withdrew safe. At what point
do you venture back out?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Well, let's see, not too far, not too far from now.
I mean it hasn't been that, you know, think about
it Housewives. I was still pretty safe in Housewives. I
started with the wigs and wearing some.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
While you were on it. It did start to become
We're bringing glam on vacation.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Well, Erica Jane showed up definitely. Once Eric showed up,
we were like, oh. And then to Reach shows up
and we were like.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
They forced us, and they forced all of us to
step up. That's when it happened.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
It affected all the franchises. It did.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
It really did. So then my eyes opened up and
I thought, oh, and then I started wearing wig and
then forget it. Then it was just like, this is
way more fun than doing the same thing I've always done.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
You have one of the best spaces for wigs. Ever
you think you transformed. I'm always going to be on
record saying one of the worst because it's still me.
I think you can still tell that it's me.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
It works though, really well.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Wearing a wig, and especially a mustache, is it must
mustache transforms me? You become sort of domb top bowe,
which we all appreciate.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Wait say that again, dumb dom top bow domb top bowing.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
I got it now, Wow, I just flow it down.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Is really but basically like the wig of it all, like,
does it.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Looks it looks when you when you look like that?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Does it change you lightly? But I'm saying there is
something transformative.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
It's true. I agree, I agree. I look at myself
like who is that which I love? I love because
I want to be more than one, Lisa Rena, there
should be many, and there are, like they're all over
the place. You can pick which one you want.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
An eminem for cristisake exactly. Well, speaking of characters.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
We we were so excited when we found out, Uh,
the culture that made you say culture was for you
was we found out in advance this time. So now
we'll put it to you and we'll get into it.
At least Rina, what was the culture that made you
say culture was for.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
You dynasty and it's such a perfectnast dynasty.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Can I say that answer ties together everything about you,
all of it?

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Okay, there you go, there.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
You go right there? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
I do? I absolutely do. That changed my life.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
So fashion like being a like housewife and quote unquote
fighting yep.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Crab, you know, cat fighting, all of it. Who knew
that that was going to even be my destiny when
I was watching it? But think about it.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
But to talk us through the encounter with it at first,
whatever memories you have of just like tuning into that show, I.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Remember it was so life altering coming from the small
town in Medford, Oregon and seeing these iconic women, the
Glamor Crystal and Alexa, Alexis, Alexis, I was gonna say,
like such a christ come on. It was just so

(39:09):
visually exciting and then what they got to do and
the emotions and everything they were as women. We'd never
seen anything like it.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Of course, it felt like this like operatic thing where
you have an Alexis standing on a balcony and like
showing the fucking documents, you know, or was like Alexis
and the documents, the documents or Alexis and Diane Carroll
like saying Champagne has burnt like it's so.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
And the outfits, the clam like we had never seen
anything like it, and it embodied such fabulousness that it
was an escape, it was a challenge, it was it
was life.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
And you knew it was a heightened reality that it
was not on this planet. Because I'm gonna say, as
someone who grew up there, it took place in in Denver.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
That's right, because it took place in Denver.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
No one in Denver looked like that, no one. But
here's what I'll say.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
When you don't know, you believe it. You believe when
they said in Denver. Because I'm from Long Island. I
didn't know anything about Denver really until we met. You
just bought that as a glamorous place. I think because
you see the mountains in your mind's eye, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
It's like they sort of think of it as colorad, right.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
And if you thought Aspen, we didn't even know what
Aspen was after.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Wasn't as that I would have believed to get a
lot of real estate from.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I think people not knowing the difference between Denver and aspect.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I think so too, and leave it to Aaron Spelling.
I mean, really, come on, look what he's given us.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
But so then, like when you and I just keep
going back to this quote because I think it is
really defining for you in a way that is powerful.
Like when you when you think of making good TV,
like that's what you think of, you think of Dynasty
because that is the formative television and it's.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Also what I want to see. I think, yes, you know,
deep down I want to see another Dynasty, Like that's
the escapism that I think. If Housewives can get back
to that, it's it's become a little bit meet Sure.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Well, do you know when it got closest in them
in recent memory? And we talk about this scene all
the time is when you and Denise sat down at
the end of that season.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
And I know this was a.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Tough season, and I know that, like this is probably
a relationship that was meaningful to you at one point
and that makes it hard. But you guys really knew
what your assignment was when you sat down on that
couch and she said you're playing dirty and you said, ooh,
you're so angry. I mean, just the two of you
were were you were doing that and as yours.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
It's true, Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Must have been a weird thing because it's like, here
you are and she's obviously, like you know, has a
storied career in her own right, and like came from
you know, similar projects, and then you're both on this show.
It's a different five is a different flame. But you're
sitting there and you're on this couch and you guys
are both looking incredible and you're looking at each other
in the eyes, and you're doing this chess game, and

(42:08):
so it's like you're getting to actualize this thing.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
But it's also.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Personal exactly, which made it so difficult, complicated, super complicated.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
It's one thing, if you're playing a character, you can
go home. I was home, so I.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Was.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
But you know that's what was so complicated. And that
scene went on for good two and a half hours.
You saw how much of it. Yeah, I don't even know,
really really complicated. You know, I wouldn't I wouldn't wish
working with any of my friends again, Yeah, in a
situation like that, right, because I don't think it behooves anyone,

(42:45):
It didn't serve any of us, right, I don't think ultimately, Ultimately, no,
it's better if you don't know people. Yes, of course
they want you to know people. So I feel that
that's sad that we get into that situation on that show.
And again I go to, you know, I know how
to make a good show, and and that's my I'm
going to do that. Yeah, And then if your friendship

(43:08):
gets in the way of that, which you've seen mine
has a few times, it's just really sad, you know,
at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I mean, this is where like the boundaries start to
you know, be so undefined. But the corollary to that
is that you are able to have this beautiful, loving,
wonderfully collaborative relationship with Harry now a podcast like yeah, yeah,
but that's that's how you know, Like it's yeah, there's
no mechanism that's like flawed within you. It's like, you
know how to have a meaningful, loving relationship with something

(43:37):
that you work with, Yes, with Harry.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yes, And it's just it's it's disappointing when that doesn't
work out. But that's life, baby, you know, sometimes it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Sometimes it doesn't, And and you can never be in
someone's head like I always sometimes think like, oh, I
wonder if they walked away from that scene thinking well,
we just know that even though whatever, but.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Like, oh, it definitely wasn't that well and then and
then over time things reveal themselves and it's like you
never really do know what people are going through, which
is you know, a sad reality about all of that.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, truly.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
What I love about you and Harry's relationship is that
it feels incredibly authentic through the screen and now also
on the podcast because on the podcast you can just listen.
I listened to the episode when you had just come
back from from Traders, and I was like listening, and
I was like, I don't know this to be true,
but I was like, I bet she's not telling him

(44:30):
what happened in like even behind closed doors.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Oh not. At that point, he hadn't heard anything like
you have to be careful too, like how much because
he watches it also because he doesn't want to hear
about everything. Yeah, And it also doesn't translate. Yeah, it
doesn't translate very well when you're not there, when your
partner's not there and you've gone through a really intense experience.

(44:57):
Because it's intense. I think anybody that you talk to
that's gone.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
It was the hardest thing you've done.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
You believe that it's challenging. Yeah, it's super, super, super challenging.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I would say for me, I feel like The Traders
is like it's going to be so exciting and I'm
just like so excited for it. But just to talk
about the podcast a little bit more, because I really
do feel like you and Harry are like such a

(45:28):
stand the test of time thing. And what I really
love about you guys is it does feel like, still
to this day, you're like into each other.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, I would say we are. I would say after
thirty three years, it's not crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Always was it? What was it? What was the vibe
at first? Because he's Harry Hamler.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
I mean he's Harry Hamlin. He was Harry Hamlin at first,
and I was I was just starting and so I
was a little bit starstruck. Huh when I first met him. Well,
of course, you know, it was like it's Harry Hamlin.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I think people in our generation don't really ununderstand that
he was a big deal.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
He was like a brad pitt Ish.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah, I mean it was, you know, on a huge
show that was watched by thirty million people. You know,
La Long was watched by thirty million people. There are
three networks at the time, so it was this huge show.
He'd been the sexiest man alive, he'd been in Clash
of the Titans. He was really a big deal. And
I was just like, oh no, no, no, I just
didn't even see myself in that position at all. So

(46:27):
it took a minute. And he had just been divorced.
It's just getting divorced, so that's not a real like
ooh yeah, I want.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
That, sure, sure, So then cared about was like the
initial sort of like the courtship.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
The courtship, well, it was all fucked up really. That's
why it's so interesting that we ended up staying together
because it wasn't like love at first sight. It wasn't
like it was complicated. It was fraught and it took time.
I mean, we didn't get married for five and a
half years.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Now. Was that because it was it was happening at
a bizarre time in Hollywood. Is this like small town
is like? Is No?

Speaker 3 (47:05):
It was just he was fucked up by his marriage.
He s gotten out of it. Timing wasn't great and
he'd been married twice, you didn't want to get married again. Like,
I wasn't the stereotypical mother archetype that he usually would
go for. So at first he was like, well, you're
not what I'm used to. So it was challenging. We

(47:27):
did not come right together. We fell in love. It
took time we became friends first, Like he tried to
get me to go to Aspen for Christmas and I
said no, I was.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Like, too serious.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I don't know you. I'm going to go home to
my parents in Oregon. Most women would go to Aspen.
Like could have been good for me in a sense. Maybe,
I don't know, but it was authentic to me. It
was just like, ew, I don't really know this guy.
I mean, he was cute, he's gorgeous, but yet I

(48:00):
was leary. At first. I was literally he drove.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
A Porsche yeah, yeah, and he was a little.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Too likes maybe well, he was slick and he was
gorgeously and he was a big star at the time,
and I just wasn't used to it. I was just like,
I don't know. And then I got to know him.
He called me every day for two weeks while he
was an Aspen Wow, And that's when I got to
know him and thought, it's a really good guy.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I guess this is what we're asking, like, yeah, you know,
the beginnings of it obviously tumultuous. But when you're talking
about then we fell in love, what was that like?
It was the calling every day from asspan, Like, like,
how did you get to know each other? Because that's
what that's what like laid the foundation for all that.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
That's it talking on the phone because we didn't have
anything else. You just had the phone. Yeah, there's no
cell phones, there's none of that. You just talked. We
would call me and we would talk, and we got
to know each other over a two week period. I
think he called every day, God love him.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
And then when he came back, I said, he asked
me out to dinner, and I said yes, And then
it just blossomed from there because there was a sense
of connection over I like who you are, and I
think you felt the same about me. You'd have to
ask him, and so it blossomed from that. Now, Yes,
he's always been hot, and that's always helpful. When you

(49:16):
have two people that two people that are attracted physically,
it's helpful because down the line, you know, that's the
first thing you start to devalue people. That's what happens
in a relationship. It's very easy to do. They bug me,
this is you know, and so we're very cognizant of that. Also,
like if that starts to feel like it's happening, we'll

(49:37):
go to therapy. I feel like we work on it
because it's not easy.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Do you do therapy as like upkeep or do you
do regular therapy?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Both depending, Like right now we're in therapy because I
just feel we both were like, let's do it right now.
We've kind of grown in separate directions doing a lot
of things. We need to come back together.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
So helpful and I'm not afraid to do that.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, I would imagine too that.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
It's also like when your kids not only grow up,
have become super successful and busy, like then.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
You're empty nesters.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Do not only.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Empty nesters, but also like empty nesters and like what
they're doing it?

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yeah they are, they're doing it. Thank God, they're out
there doing it major way they are, And we're so proud.
I mean, it's you know, listen, that's what we are
the most proud of is that I think that whatever
we did, because you know, as a parent, you don't
know what you're doing, You really don't. You just do
the best you can to be there for your children
and give them the best upbringing that you can. But

(50:42):
you don't. I mean, come on, our parents who knew
what they were doing. Seriously, like, we're all lucky to
still be alive, and.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
God love you do realize that at some point, I think,
now I'm my dad's age when he had me, and
I was like, that's interesting thinking about myself having a
kid right now, and that's like you know of someone
that I it's it's.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Think about it, like, God love them, God bless them,
and God loved them. And then listen, we have to
figure out what happened to us, and then God forbid
what those poor kids are going to have to go
through in their own therapy. How we have, you know,
helped them, but how also we have given them you know,
bad habits. Who knows it happens with everybody, but both

(51:24):
of us, Harry and myself, feel that whatever we did,
because we really don't know what we did, we turned
out some good humans, good human beings, kind, compassionate, good girls.
And I'm very proud of that.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
They do. They remain really close.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
They do now, they weren't for a minute. Those girls
can fight, you know, girls can love and then hate
each other.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Difference again three years. Yeah, it's just that Goldilocks zone
where like they love each they love each other forever.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
But also, oh we went through a couple of years
and woo, yeah, very uncomfortable. But now they're very close,
back together with their sisters, you know what I mean,
but super supportive of each other in this business that
they're both in, which can be very tricky.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Is it still very very competitive?

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Yes, more than ever.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I just I guess I never really That world is
still in no foreign Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Well it's foreign to me too, to be honest with you. Well,
I love it and I just jumped right into it,
of course to kind of watch it all and manage
it all. And but I don't know that world. It's
a vicious world, actually vicious. And it's about how you look, honey, periodiod.
But at the end of the day, it is about

(52:37):
who you are. It is about your personality. It is
how you work with people and how well you work
with people. Because if you're to choose from you know,
ten gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous women. Do you want to work
with a cunt? I don't know if I can say that,
but I just like, do you want to work with
a cunt? Or do you want to work with somebody
who's really cool and game and kind?

Speaker 2 (52:57):
You go so and sometimes it's funny too, like when
you real like I've been watching there's the new documentary
on HBO Max about supermodels, and which one if there's
one with Isabella Rossalini actually might have not seen that.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
A polinea porscope I believe is on it. It's got
Jerry Hall.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, it's good, it's and it's really it's it's talking
a lot about the aesthetic changing. Like it's like from
from when modeling kind of started, like in the forties
when it was really just like women, you know, trying
on clothes just so, and then it became more about
like attitude, energy.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
The lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yes, individuality in terms of the way you present the clothing,
which leads into you know, the Victoria's secret of it
all and like the et cetera. But it's just really
interesting how personality, you know, like with Naomi Campbell, she
has her reputation as being someone that's like always late,
a diva, gonna throw something, But then it can't really

(53:57):
be true because she's had the most last.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
In career of almost anyone all the entertainment industry.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Right, I know. So it's like, I know, it's really
interesting to watch, I have to say.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
But I think for you, you get to enter this
space with ease, I would say, because you have a
point of view already. And the reason we all have
fashion as actors is because you are playing a character.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Again, not all the.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Models understand that. You have to find a way in
that way. Yes, it might not be playing a character,
but you already have a built in mechanism and be like,
I'm gonna put the clothes on, I'm gonna be someone else.
I'm gonna be Petro Pascal and to protect you, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
That was your favorite of the looks to wear at
the Cultural Awards.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
So hard to choose because I loved every single one
of them.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Besides that, you want what was that? What was that?
Was that? Archivalrell the carpet.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I did some random it's it's a name. I couldn't
even tell you right now. Stunning, It's so fun, right,
scup really was on the red carpet. I love it.
I think Pedro was my favorite at the end of
the day, I do. I mean I love Timothy also
because it was so fun to embody the vibe that

(55:15):
I thought was him. I had so much fun. I
went for it.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
I did.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
I was like, I'm going to be these characters. It
was so funny backstage getting ready because I was very particular.
It had to look a certain way, and they wanted
to throw like this kind of strange Gautier on me,
and I was like, no, it's not right. And so
I ended up drawing on the one for Timothy because
the one because his was pretty sparse, and the one

(55:40):
they had it was sick. And I was like no, no, no,
no no, And the makeup boarders didn't want to hand
me the pencil and I was like, no, you have
to just let me do it. And I just did it.
And then it worked out. I had to do it.
The right had to be perfect.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Well, you have to be you to subconsciously feel comfortable.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
That's right, otherwise you can't come out as fully as
you did.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
I remember like we were we were like putting it
together and It was in the script that the first
one was gonna be Demean Moore's yellow coat and the substance,
And I remember you came out looking so exactly like her.
I was like, is this the right first one? Because
it looks like to me? I was like, are people
going to know that's Lisa Renna?

Speaker 3 (56:20):
That's right there?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
That I was like, I was like, is it.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Should we switch it because or should we have it
come out like so that people can really establish because
the culture rewards just so I say this with love
for us. It's so dumb that like it's like it's
anything could have been, anything, could have.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Been at any Yeah, I was like, are people going
to think that's to me? Because it looks like to me? Right?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
But then like, honestly, I'm so happy because it landed her.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
It just worked.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
I'm telling you, I didn't established what the joke was
it did.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
It just worked?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
And you know it's funny because I didn't know what
I was going to be doing, right, And then I
went to go do Traders, and.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Then I come back from Traders.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
I'd just come back, and when i'd come back, they
told me what I was doing. So when I went
I knew I was going to be doing, but I
didn't know till I came back, and I'll never forget
getting the visuals and screaming out loud. I was so excited.
It was like one of the first things. I was like,
this is like a dream country. I loved it so much.

(57:28):
And of course Tom was the first image.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
It was actually, did you do you know? You must do?
You know? To me, I know her?

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Yes, I mean I don't know her. I know she did.
Come on, when that happens, you go, okay.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah, thank god And Pedro commented on the patre One too.
I certainly did he did.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
It was such a thrill waiting for comment from timoth Ay.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
This was freedom, honey. I could just go and play.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I will say. The only thing that was cut out
after some pushback was you and the Pedro outfit kissing
Andy Cohen, and that was the special moment that we
got on camera about. Unfortunately we had to lose from
from the broadcast. I know, but it was a very
important it was to be there. I know, at the
end of the.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Day, everything happens for a reason, and at the end
of the day I was okay with it all. Because
I did it there we had that moment. It was
kind of a nice power play switch that I came
up with at the very I don't even know how
I came up with that at the last minute. We're

(58:44):
I mean, we're good, you know, I mean we're I've
been good with Andy. I'm good, You're good, and then
you're you know, you're not good, and you're good. I've
always been pretty good with Andy, Like, I'm not afraid
to say, you know what, I didn't like that you
just said that to me on your sure on your
show that we just did on your radio show, and
he'll be like, oh, I thought you really liked that,

(59:05):
and I was like, no, I didn't, and here's why.
Or he'll say to me something criticism and I'll take
it and I'll be like, you know, you're right. So
we have that relationship.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Conflict and resolution. But that's something that you learned from
the show. I certainly did, and that's something that you
can both handle as adults.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
I think so and Andy and I I think always
have been in on the joke in a sense. I
have respect for him, and I think he has respect
for me, and so we have that mutual respect that
over that pre succeeds or what's the.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Word of seeds or supersede, superceeds.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
That's the word supersedes all the bullshit because the rest
of it's all bullshit. At the end of the day, anyway.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
It's a long life, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
It's like it is you're going to.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
See him at like your daughter's wedding or something. Well,
if he's lucky.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I feel like, but I also feel like the thing,
the thing, the thing with like your relationship with him too,
and like and I feel like you you and like
the whole Housewives of it all, which is why the
Bravo thing with the Culture Awards felt so good, is
because it does feel like you're done with all of that,
and it feels like something that's like in your past
is a completed thing at least being a housewife or yeah,

(01:00:15):
you know. And I feel like there's this, oftentimes this
idea from the fan community which is like, oh, they
want to come back, or they must want to come back,
like like as if it can't be a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Conscious choice to leave that show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
But I feel like with you, you've shown that, like
and obviously from being such an industry figure for such
a long time, like this was a chapter.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
It had its ups.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
And downs, and that is going to be what it is,
and it's learned from and now you're moving forward. And
I feel like a lot of the fan community almost
doesn't know what to do with the fact that someone
might not want to come back and be a real house.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
It's true. And you know, I have great affection even
though it's a difficult show to do. I have great
affection for those eight years and what it brought to
me and what it brought to my career and how now,
which is very interesting, I'm doing like endorsements and things
that have to do with the things that I said

(01:01:14):
on that show, right that became moments. So I'm like,
thank you, wow, Kachin Kuching. Like it just keeps moving
on because people enjoyed that, they like those moments, they
get a kick out of it, they're entertained by it.
So at the end of the day, it was a
great thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
It was the investment, it was the real estate. You
took your time in that lot, you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Yeah, and it runs its course I think for everyone,
and it's kind of you know, it's gonna they'll come
a day for everyone, even for Kyle Richards. Do you
know what I mean? When you've been on from the
beginning where you have to make the decision do I
continue or do I take a risk and go out there.
It's very hard for most housewives to do that, you know,

(01:01:56):
because it is a steady gig.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, that's the thing too, is its works a check structure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I know what my fall is going to look like
because I've been doing this right and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
There's something really comforting and also challenging if you've been
doing it for a long time, you know, to get
excited about it. But at the end of the day,
I wouldn't change a thing. I wouldn't I wouldn't change
a thing. I would do it again. Oh, I wouldn't
do it again right now, you know what I mean?
Like it's part of my history, it's part of just
like Veronica Mars, just like melrose Place and days of

(01:02:29):
our lives. Like everything I've done has brought me here,
and it's exciting to see what's next.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
We're talking about this with our other guests, but it's
like the through line comes into view after the fact,
which is always weird.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Really does isn't it true?

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Dynasty is like the perfect origin spot for you where
it all connects to everything that comes after. I will say,
just before we do it on things soony, I will
bring it back to our first meeting, which was I
was in We mussed. It was intermission for Sweeney Todd.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
I remember like it was yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Waiting for my friend Hunter, and I was just like
on my phone, just like downstairs in the bathroom, waiting
in line.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
We were in the line where I'd come out of
the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I was waiting and then you had come out of
the bathroom. And then and then I get to tap
on my shoulder and I look up and I go
I was like, oh, it's someone maybe wanting a picture
or something. I look up and my jaw dropped. It
was Lisa looking so chic and a Prada bucket house,
big shades, huge covered shades, looking studing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Oh my god, no, I was Lily like, dressed down,
I'm going to the theater, you know, bringing Prada.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
You're dressed down with wearing Prada. And I was like, oh,
I'm just such a fan.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
And I just.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I remember it like it was yesterday, and anyway, it
was just to see.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
You and to meet you in person. I'm such a
huge fan. Are you kidding your genius?

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Stop? At least you are stop.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I was so I was like, oh my god, I'm
meeting the Oh my god. So we had the same moment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
We had the same moment, and so I wanted to
because you're a fan of theater. I love it, love it,
love it. I think we got to see you back
on the boards against them. Yeah, can we see you
back on the boards.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Yeah? You know what I thought of the other day.
I'm not sure I could do it. I'm not sure
it would even be in my capacity at this point.
But you know what came up? The MC in Cabaret,
which is usually played by a man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
A man. How did it come up? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
It just popped into my head.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Oh, that it would be cool for you to do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Someone was talking about like the different ways in which
you can take that role, and someone said that it
wouldn't be out of a question for the for a
woman to do it. I was like, that would be
really interesting. I think there was even someone who said
they were they wanted to do it, and then they
ended up playing Sally Bowles.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
I'm losing it right now. I mean not to not
to put this out there and like put pressure on anybody,
but Lisa Rinna as Mary Todd Lincoln.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Oh, I've seen it. I can't. I thought of that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
That would be a pretty good fit. I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
It really could. But it's a hard role, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I think you could do it really hard?

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
You remember I forty pages of dialogue and day on
on days of our lives.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Oh my god, will I be going back to Broadway?
I might be just my day?

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
This this is the origin.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Oh, it always starts somewhere starts. That's not a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
You never know, You never ever ever know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
If you're listening, you know, they don't cast it. They
don't cast it. I'm sure they have a heavy hand
in deciding anything else to talk about before we do.
I'm trying to think, why have anything you want to
say about Ronica Marris? Oh my god, just I mean,
what a stacked show between obviously Christians be first after me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Yeah, and Harry kills her. Harry kills her.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Harry kills her, kills her.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
So you probably have like I would imagine that, like
you get people coming up and they hear they come,
you can different what they're going to say. And then
when they say Veronica Mars, that has to be a
special like I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Like that one. I like the Veronica Mars and the Entourage.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
You have.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
To somehow YouTube it. See it. It's really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Probably HBO Max has it, probably definitely memore see it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Just it's not a big it's it's not huge. It's
memorable though, it's a memorable. It's a memorable memorable episode
for sure. I will say I get to be really sassiny,
are you kidding? I just had Amelia. I can't remember
how old she was. She was very young, and my
agent at the time was like, you have to do

(01:06:41):
this and it's really it's really nasty and quite saucy
and all of it. And I was a new mother
and I was like, I can't do this. There's no way.
I mean, now, of course I wouldn't, I'd be like
fine here, but at that time, I was like, I
just can't do this. It's like I'm too vulnerable. He's like,
you're doing it. I don't care what you say. It's
entour and you're doing it. And so I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Wow, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
So that was a time when like we had HBO
on demand when I was when I was younger, and
I remember my parents would leave. My parents would leave,
and like I would like mainline Sex and the City
and then just kind of like Sex and the City
for boys. So clearly I was not that into it.
I was like, I want to watch this other thing.
But I peaked it on some episodes. I used to

(01:07:29):
think Kevin Connolly was hot.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
They were all pretty good, and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
They were so nice. It was gray, it was fun.
It's just it's super rauchy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Okay, so it's time we're transiting into I don't think so, honey.
This is our one minute segment where we take that
long to absolutely tear something up in culture.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Mine. It's a throwback, but it's it's relevant. Okay, this
is okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so
many his time starts now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
I don't think so, honey. Years ago, my parents took
me to Los Angeles, California, after I graduated college. I
had never been there before, and we went on a
celebrity homes tour in one of those jeep safaris, and
the guy was from New Zealand and he was riding
us down.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
By the Beverly Hills Hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
And I don't think so honey that he almost killed
me and my family trying to track down Adrian Grenier.
He said, it's Adrian Grenier from Entourage.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
And this is my sort of New zeal And. He
gundam as hard as he could, flying through. He literally
pulled up next to this car. It was not Adrian Greneer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
So what I want to say is, I don't think
so honey to any of these people out there on
the roads with families of four in the back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
They don't know who Adrian Grenier is. Okay, first, I
want to say that. Second of all, you can't kill
me trying to see Adrian Greneer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
You can kill me trying to run down seat like
I don't know at the time, like he was like
justin Biba, it was all about Bieber.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
I can't die trying to track down Adrian Greneer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
From Entourage, not with my one precious light, real or fake.
And that's one minute I'll never forget my first trip
to Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Wow, did you buy the map?

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
We did the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
It was I'm telling you what we did that, you know,
those tacky like Safari jeep cars.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
We got in one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I was mortified because I was like, oh, God, like
me thinking at some point maybe I'll be one of
these people, Like I wouldn't want.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
To like hunt them down. My parents wanted to go.
And actually it was kind of interesting Aguilera's house it
used to be as Osbourne's house.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Like I was like, oh, that's interesting. Then when we
almost died, you were I was like, get me out here.
And the guy wasn't even Adrian Greneer gosh, but I
Matt Rogers almost died in a car trying to find
and we're.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
So happy you've lived.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Yeah, really good full circle. To bring that together.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
With the ento very Hollywood yes, bringing back the very
very good, very good paparazzi culture.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
I've got a bit of a throwback as well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Okay, this is a hard one, by the way, you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Know, it's very hard, especially when we get from the heart.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
So it's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Oftentimes we'll do like two or three in the day
and it becomes really difficulty.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Believe Ultimately you do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I find always have something to complain about it. I
think you do all right, So this is bon yangs.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
I don't think so, honey. At times, I don't think
so honey.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
That they have since closed the restaurant where the Amsterdam
trip happened on the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Beverly Hills episode.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
That is a historical site that is next to another
historical site, which is the Anne Frank House. But anyone
who goes to Amsterdam now cannot go to the site
of the restaurant and where Lisa're gonna broke the glass
and wave in front of Kim Richard's space and Kyle
and Kyle Flatt and we need to re enact the
Kyle fleeing scene when you're in Amsterdam.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
That's like what we as game and want to do
in this day and age. We can't do it anymore.
And now you go to the n Frank House, it's
a bunch of teens with their little harvedboards loitering by
the river. We it could have been overrun with gay
men and gorgeous women wanting to see that historic site,
that amazing moment in housewives history. It's just gone. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
We need we need to commemorate and landmark these places
or else we will lose history. Second, and history is
the only thing that we have or else it will
repeat itself or rhyme and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
That's one minute.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Wow, it's closed. You used to be able to do
and Frank House and that in one day, and now
now you can't. And now you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
I have people sending me like the area, yea, that
it is, but it's not there. It's not there, the
area or something else is there? Now I know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Have you seen the uh the like asmr whispered.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Genius, So genius. It's one of the funniest you know,
I enjoy these things. I will never not enjoy this.
It is so funny to me. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
It is some of the greatest television ever made. That
didn't even know we were making it, does you guys?
It was five minutes we sat down, It happened five
minutes later. You don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
So wait, that was a quick scene.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
No, we came into this restaurant to sit down. You
would think that we had been sitting there for.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
A long time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Got your drinks, We sat down, and five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Later that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
That's the editing, because they catch all the talking heads,
they cut the confessionals.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
We sit down and boom, the whole conversation starts. I
mean it took a minute to get to the glass.
I we didn't have drinks even, I mean I think
they brought them as we were talking. You didn't see them.
But when I sat down five minutes later, that whole
conversation started. And I would probably say ten more minutes

(01:12:55):
in so fifteen more minutes. I was across the table.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
And I always wonder, like, do they take your food
order beforehand?

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
They do now they didn't. Then they used to take
it like a couple of days before. I don't think
the food ever came at that point, Like that year
of the show, you never ate there's no food gift,
Like there might be food, but you're lucky. Hence the
you know, most of the drinking. I hadn't even had
a glass of wine. I was not drunk, but they

(01:13:27):
worked you up. Oh, it didn't take long. It was
already building though.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
It's the kind of thing that you know, she was
vibing me on the plane. We already had like really
like it was bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, And I'll never
forget because she's like right here, like she's pretty far.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Let's talk about the hut.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
When she started in on that, I was already in
your jet legs. Of course you're jet legged. I'm not
going to blame it on that, but you're like jet
lag and you're not at your you know best. But
I'll never forget her. Just like poking and poking and
me thinking to myself, Okay, that's it. And I remember
flying across the table and stopping myself mid lunch and

(01:14:10):
this is what I said. And most people have never
heard this. I said to myself, if you touch her,
you're going to jail in Amsterdam. You're in Amsterdam.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Yeah, remember, And so then I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Pull back and I had so much rage that I
picked up the glass and smashed it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Yeah good TV. Did you just see her at Alexia's wedding?

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Nope, she wasn't there. But I've seen her and we
have like worked through I've worked through most of it
with most of them, because you have to. I don't
want to carry that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
You're a human being.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
We're all humans. Were doing the best we could at
the time. Whatever. But I've already had that. I've worked
through it with Kathy Hilton. All is fine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
It feels like that must have gotten calmer because it
all come down between Kathy and Kyle.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Yes, yeah, and that's where it all began.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Are you okay with Garcela or is that kind of
in the past too? Now? Wow, here we go. This
is Lisa Renna. Do you have something?

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
I said almost everyone?

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Yeah, she's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I feel really sad about this, the Sutton and Garcela
of it all. At the end there, I was really
that didn't feel great.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Two people I knew before. See, it never works when
I know you before about it, Denise Sutton, garcel.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
That's a bummer.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Didn't work with the people that I actually knew, and
well I knew Kyle before.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
So that worked. Yeah, Okay, there are exceptions.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
I'm going to try one. I don't know if I
are going to do great. I don't know if I
actually have it, but since we're on Amsterdam, I'm going
to go down a road there, Okay, Okay, I'm gonna
try And what do I say first?

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
I don't think so, honey, And then I'll play you
in the clock. This is Lisa Reyna's I don't think
so many her time starts now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
I don't think so, honey. We're in Amsterdam and we're
going around and we're walking around and yes, there are
sex clubs and there are women in the windows and whatnot.
And everyone is like, hey, let's go into this because
I want to see a woman shoot a banana out
of her vagina. And I'm like, I don't think so, honey,
but I had no choice. It was like two in
the morning, and so we go downstairs into this cave,

(01:16:20):
into this club and I'm already I think I've already
done the broken glass part and I'm already traumatized. And
they're like, yes, you really need to see this. This
woman shoots a banana out of hergina.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
I don't really need to see it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
And sure enough, this way it takes a little banana.
It's not even a big banana. It's this little banana
and she somehow shoots it across the room over vagina.
And I never, honey, needed to see that ever in
my life.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
I can't get it out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Of my mind. And I wish I said, no, fuckers,
I'm not going to see the banana come out of
the vagina in Amsterdam. And that's that. No, thank you, honey.
Ever again, that's Erica Jane the producers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Oh yeah, this was pre she would have been ready
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
She would have. It was I was a group of us.
We were bored. We weren't even filming of the cameras.
Down the cameras, do go down, get down. We went
down and Aspen and they went down here for the
banana shooting out of the vagina.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Yeah, well that would have been good to see. It
would have been great to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Have been actually very exciting. There wasn't, no, honey, you still.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Think about it, which is tough. It's like it's like
a stress stream that you're gonna have.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
I should never have seen it. I should have closed
my eyes and said, no, damn, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Well you're stronger because of it. You are no regrets.
You said, no regrets from that time, and that includes me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Well, I feel like I've seen a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Yeah, this has been such a joy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
It's like so excited. I was like, I can't wait
to come and play with the boys because that's I
feel like it's just so easy with you. And thank
you again for the Awards show. It was the time
of my life. It changed a lot of things. Just
so you guys know, I'm going to tell you. My
agents were like, I'm telling you that show has has
raised your your value and everyone is calling they love.

(01:18:20):
I was like, that's you nice at this point, that
is so thank you, thank you well listen, I know
you gave me the opportunity and I just had fun
doing it. So thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
We have enjoyed you in all of your forms in
this entertainment industry. Watching you now getting to meet you
is so fun and we're just like so happy to
meet you. And I don't know if I told you this,
but our best friend Jared years ago was walking in
Frieman Canyon and he would always run into you, and
he had a dog, and I guess Harry went down

(01:18:53):
one time to pet the dog and he Jared said
to Harry Hamlin, hey, congrats on the sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
And I always thought that was the funniest thing ever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I was like that Harry Hamblin now like superstar Harry
Hamlet is now being congratulated about the sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
It's the truth, he said. People stop him and say
where's Lisa, And I love your sauce and congrats on
the sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Yeah, okay, we love the sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
You can I'll send you the sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
I love bolon as.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Okay, Well there's bowlon as. Now there's Marinara, there's vodka sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Now there's four I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
And he just got into Gelson's. Come Colations, got into Gelson's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Yeah, Gelson breaking through in Hollywood. I mean, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
I'm gonna go there, got into thirty Gelson's. So it's beginning.
Is that the name of the sauce Harry's Famous. You
can get it at Harry's Famous dot com or Amazon
right now until you can get it in Gelson's and
then god knows where else.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
And we didn't even get into QVC. Lisa, that's best.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Next time we have watch listen. We have a lot
to say. I obviously have much. I could have ranted
on that. I could rant on a lot of things,
but we'll be good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Let's not talk about The Husband is a podcast presented
by Dear Media, Thank you and Harry Hamlin.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
It's really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
If you miss watching those interactions on TV, you can
hear them every week in your ears. And do you
know when The Traders comes out?

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
It's January.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
That's what I love about Traders too, is it premieeres
right after the New Year.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
And it always Yeah, Yeah, we're starting, our can start. Yeah,
just you wait. I'm well, Jan you wait.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Every episode with the song come Home Babe, Why don't wait?
To pay the town and all that jazz rude monies
and docks down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
And all that as and if you want to hear
more of that, you can see Chicago on Broadway.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
It's not going anywhere, Followers it lost culture. Reacis is
in production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players in iHeartRadio podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yeg, executive
produced by Ana Hasnia and produced by Decor Ramos, edited
a mix by Doug Bain and our music is by
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