December 1, 2025 • 49 mins
Flame Monroe and Bobbi Clifford reflect on a quiet Thanksgiving before diving into the tragic Thanksgiving Eve shooting in Washington, D.C., and the political and media responses surrounding it. They explore conspiracy theories linked to the Epstein case, transparency issues in government, and the public health controversies sparked by RFK Jr.’s claims about vaccines and autism. The hosts also touch on the emotional impact of public scrutiny, drawing parallels with the personal struggles faced by prominent families like the Kennedys.
Shifting into civic awareness, Flame and Bobbi break down financial transparency in politics, the economic realities affecting everyday Americans, and the importance of holding public officials accountable.
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Speaker 2 (01:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:04):
We leave it with just a lift you spirits, but
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Speaker 3 (01:10):
Did it good?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:14):
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Speaker 4 (01:16):
Cain't no pleas do what I do?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And no, hey, hey hey, this is comedian Flame Monroe
(01:42):
and welcome to episode number seventeen of Laugh and Learn.
We are glad to be here. We are glad you
guys are here to joining us. It is a day
or two after Thanksgiving. Thank you guys. I hope you guys.
Thanksgiving was wonderful. That you guys are with family, that
you've got a chance of fellowship and e Fred n
Ask speaking of fellowshipping and Fred dising. Please introduce my
(02:04):
co host to the show. Very gorgeous, Bobby Clifford.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You were picking on my bangs a minute ago. You
don't mean gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Did you get your chuffy your turkey stuff for Thanksgiving?
Because you damn sure'll need your turkey stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah, you're too fresh. We had a delicious My sister
always does an awesome job. She does it from nuts
to bolts, and it was delicious. It was super quiet
this year, and you know what, I think I needed it.
This has been a really tough year. So I feel
like I keep saying that year after year it seems
like they get a little tougher.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
But it was very nice. How about you? You cooked?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I did cook, and I'm with you, Bobby. It was
a very quiet Thanksgiving. We had nobody come over, but
all my children went home. We prayed, we thank you,
told God. We were saying for The food was delicious,
by the way, you know, And when I say my
whole family, I'm thinking my kids, a lb, my partner. Yeah,
but we I sat at the dinner table this year
and listened to my adult children have a conversations. Oh
(03:05):
my god, it was like, these are not the kids
I raised. I don't know who these monsters are. Good Lord,
that was funny to me because I don't know if
I've ever just sat and didn't talk and just listen and.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Ooh the things you can learn.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
The things they have learned fro oh my God Jesus.
But other than that, y'all, we hope you guys had
a predath festive Thanksgiving. I know you in the mid Midwest.
It is cold and it is snows. Y'all. Just stay
safe if they were wrapped up, because it's crazy out there.
But let's get to the get to the get to
the Boby Clifford. Where are we starting? Where are we going?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Oh, let's start. Let's start at the most uncomfortable, because
I know makes me sad. The DC shooting.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
The DC shooting which happened on Thanksgiving Eve, I.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Think it happened jee before before, Yeah, because I think so.
There were two people shot.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
There was a young twenty year old and then there
was a twenty four year old, a female and a male, respectively,
and the female died on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, Bobby, she has a name. We want to say
her name.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I know, I'm trying to zip down to it.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I'm sorry, My notes are huge this time, and I
am trying to zip down because I had that at
the bottom, but I'm thinking, I don't want it to be.
It's Sarah Beckstrom. She was twenty and Andrew Wolf was
twenty four. And he looked like he was a young
kid who grew facial hair because he could and he
thought it made him look older.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And he's still fighting for his life. God bless him.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
So and the terrorists they killed him.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
The murderer was shot him, shot him, not killed him,
shot him. He's not killed her and shot yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, sorry.
Was not pardoned by Donald Trump. But was They overlooked
him when they brought him in. They didn't vet him
the way that he should have been vetted.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And when Trump was faced with that for the way
he attacked that reporter who is highly educated, exceptionally intelligent woman.
I'm telling you, I'm trying to think her name. It
lose me right now, Bobby she is. I think she's
the Harvard graduate.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Oh yes, it's going past me too. I wasn't looking
at that eight or alive. But that's that's when you
have a reactive brain. That's what you always do. You
don't take a pause, and you don't do a beat.
He thinks that it was attacking.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It wasn't reactive. It was you knew that she cornered you,
and as opposed to you taking the not even a
high road just to say, oh, I'm not sure you
attacked this woman in such an ugly fashion. And you
know what I don't like, Bobby, is it Katie Rodgers?
Is her name?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I believe that's how I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like the fact that as a report I'm a professional.
Not only am I professional, I'm an adult person speaking
to another adult person, no matter what her title is.
You don't talk to me like that. And I don't
get a chance to reply back to you because I'm
telling you right now, I understand that I'm going to
lose my position. I won't be invited back to the
White House. But who wants to come back to be
put in a box like this? This was It was
(06:22):
so barbaric, Bobby, and I was like, oh my gosh,
So you guys just can't say anything back to this
grown man talking to you like you're his kid.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
No, not if it's negative, None, if it's negative towards him.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But he doesn't like so the Originally you have to
remember that this is one of the people that came
back when Biden brought everybody back from Afghanistan, I believe
that was operation ally welcome and he was vetted.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
The vetting probably wasn't enough.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I think any president, President Biden, if Kamala Harris was
the president, if it was Obama, if it was Trump,
any president, it wasn't going to go well. This was
going to be a poop show bringing these people back, regardless.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
We didn't. Trump gave us a date that we had
to meet. We didn't have enough time.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Of course, you know, the terrorists who were taking over
weren't going to extend that time.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So he came over. One of the things that some
of the Afghani.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
People that came over with them, some of their leaders said,
is you know, Biden was very good at making sure
that people got vouchers and home and et cetera, et cetera,
but they didn't have healthcare or mental health care because
we're having trouble with our own stuff. You know, that
wasn't a priority for people. And you know, we don't
(07:40):
know if this guy had PTSD, if he was radicalized
while he was here because of course everybody thinks you're
going to come and the streets have made of gold
in America, right, and then they come over and they realize,
you know, in order to live a good life, you
could work thirty two jobs in eure Rope all the time.
But for that that news castor to a journalist to
(08:02):
ask appropriate questions. And then under he was revetted under
the Trump administration, and nobody flagged him. You know, he
wasn't he wasn't flagged, so people were keeping an eye
on him. And that was under Trump as well.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And he just instead of him saying no, and what
I just said to you, we needed to do a
better job. We're going to have to do. But he
ate her alive.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And so and she works for the New York Times.
Let me give you some background on this very highly
qualified news reporter, extremely overly qualified news reporter that had
to put up with this foodishness from the person that
y'all put in the office. Because I didn't vote for him,
I voted for her. She is a University of Washington
graduate with a double major in English and Cinemamedia studies.
(08:48):
She also has a a another degree. I want to say,
it's from Princeton where she got her what comes after
the bachelor's.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Degree, you're master's.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yes, So this woman is highly qualified, overly qualiti hat
and he has talked to and he called her stupid,
and he called hers stupid and what a stupid question, Bobby.
I was watching that in real time and I was like,
oh my god. She held her I respect her, she
(09:21):
held her composure. She whoa but but you know how
they used to have that thing on MTV where they
had to pop up bubbles over what the people were
thinking of saying. If she had a pop up bubbles
over her head, I know she wanted to say, you
fat clapp she did.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I mean some of the stuff he says, it just
keep it on the inside.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
And it is a reactive brain. It's not it's not
a he doesn't you ever watched well Biden. They called
him old and and people used to pick on the
cadence of the way President Obama spoke. It's because they
paused for a moment before they spoke. They didn't just go,
They paused God their thoughts together, and then moved forward.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He doesn't do that.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And since he takes everything like a person with the
reactive brain does. Personally, everything is a shout out against him.
She was asking a valid question. She wasn't tearing him
down because, as I said, I don't think there's anybody
who thought that getting out of Afghanistan was going to
be easy clean. We could have done so much better.
But you know, this is one of my casualties. There's
(10:24):
another guy they're looking at as well, expectfully.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But respectfully as a journalist. Not only was she allowed
to ask the question, it was a question that we
as American people wanted to know. We had just we
had just lost a citizen, you know, a woman was
killed and the other guy is in the hospital currently
fighting for his life. So of course we're going to ask,
especially when this has happened under your watch. You're the president.
(10:50):
You love the screen there every day. So but then
you get in a hissy fit and take your diaper
all fully loaded and throw it at people just because
you're agreed. Yuck. He is. I mean, this is.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
They're going to have to vet a lot of people.
Maybe they'll get the people that are some of the
help that they need to. But this this guy laid
in wage he shot them both in the head, I mean,
he had to be one hell of a shot. He
worked with the CIA when he was when it was
in Afghanistan. He's moved here. He's got five children here.
They live in Washington State. He had to drive from
Washington State all the way down to so we had
a long time to plan this. He was, they said,
(11:28):
working by himself. It appears that there wasn't. It wasn't
like he was part of a sell. This really was
just him. But you're going to be some kind of
disgruntled to shoot a twenty year old kid in the head.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, was he or was he
not a Republican Republican supporter.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't think I saw.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm not sure. Don't quote me on this, but I
believe I saw on the news somewhere that he was
a Republican supporter. And so many of them are jumping ship,
turn and run and looking the other way or looking
behind them now because a lot of things that happened,
you know, he this, this was very tragic in America.
We hate to see anybody lose their lives, especially oversaw
my sastage. But speaking of jumping and running, jumping ship
(12:09):
and running and not looking to trying not to look back.
Hit one of his very favorites, Marjorie Taylor Green, has
turned ran pulled a tail between the legs with a
bleached blind, bad bush body, and ran for the heels
to try to get away from all the mess. Because
the walls of Jericho are going to come down, and
they're going to come down as sooner than we think
(12:31):
I think.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
So we're seeing, we're seeing the cracks so and I
just looked. I can't say what his pied. Just to
finish up the other one, the political affiliation he was on,
they call it humanitarian parole. In April, uh, the Trump
administration gave him, granted him asylum, you know, whether he
needed extended asylum. But we're seeing, we're seeing Marjorie Taylor Green,
(12:55):
we're gonna the other. The other person we're seeing is
that have that have come right out? Trump was speaking
to did you did you hear this Tim Walls? He
was he was something in response to Tim Walls about
the Somali population that is in Minnesota they have the
highest Somali population one point one percent uh of their citizens.
(13:18):
And he called he called Tim Walls the R word, well.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
For people.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Oh, I know, you know, I hate that word. It's
like the N word. I don't I'm not saying it.
It's what my sister Teresa is. What people would call
my sister Teresa retarded, and so they say it as
an insult. For people who have a special needs child,
it is like saying the N word because you're doing
it to belittle, to bully, and to bring somebody down.
You don't ever mean it as something nice. And so
(13:50):
the the we know this jerry mandering, this request to
jerry manders. So Indiana has a I don't know if
I'm going to pronounce this gentleman's name. It's a state
senator that would have been voting on jerry mandering. His
name is Bohassek, Michael Bohasseck, and he has a downs child,
and he says he doesn't have my vote, and there
(14:10):
are two people that have already come forward, and he's there's.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Everybody's starting to see this.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
As we talked about last week, little cracks, nothing big,
but he's losing the Madrie Taylor Greens. There are a
couple of more people like that. He's losing people on
the state level that he needs to vote for whatever
his cousins are. And when you talk stupid and you
say these filthy words, and you belittle people, and you
you call journalists miss piggy or piggy when he is
(14:37):
far from speut. He ain't no six foot three, two
hundred and thirty pounds, As I said, that's where Chris
Cromo is. And if you put the two of them
side by side, they don't look anything alike in their physiques.
I think we're starting to see little by little, she's
leaving in January. I hope to god we have some
good news about who replaces her.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I am, I am not I am.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
That's presidential? Is that word presidential? To call some of
the R word, that's that's a You would expect a
president of any country to use that language with somebody.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Well, we're not. We're not talking about the president of
any country. We talked about Donald Trump in this country. Uh.
And they knew what was coming long before it came,
because his first term he made fun of somebody with
a handicap publicly, and they laughed, they mocked, they laughed
when Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul was attacked. So nothing, nothing
short of ridiculous surprises me. But the fact that Tim
(15:39):
Wallas has to deal with this, and what does the
one point one percent of some aliens have to do
in Minnesota have to do anybody? Don't nobody want to
live in cold ass Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well he attacked right back. I loved it.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
He said, you know what, they've done, nothing wrong. These
people have they're they're active people, you know, within my community.
And he says, she's Donald. You know what, I think,
he said, You've coming out a lot with a lot
of these statements, you know, in crazy talk. I think
that the MRI that you had that people and people
did a whole article on this guy. So so that's
who's reporting as well as news station. I think that
(16:14):
the MRI results that that we're done in October need
to be released so that people can see them.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Oh he's outraged.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh yeah. I think back to Marjorie Taylor Green because
I don't want to get off of her yet. I
believe the reason that she championship is because it's because
she knows that inside of trading and all of the
stuff that they've been so called accused of, when those
walls come coming down, they're going to point the fingers
of blame especially if you're still in sit in a
sitting seat to come after you. And I think she's
(16:44):
removing herself because that that she saw that in her
district she wasn't going to win, that that her her
numbers are not what they thought they were. So because
you wanted sentence, Look, her pullout game is amazing right now, well.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
She says, And I believe this.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I do absolutely believe this, because she remembers she's on
the far right right. She is saying that she's getting
death threats because due to all the chaos its in
the Republican Party. I believe that we talked about this
last week. I said, I actually worry for her.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I don't I don't think.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
It'll be Trump or Trump sanctioned, right what we don't
even to allude that it's like Steck Dad. But it
will be some crazy like the person who shot Charlie Kirk.
It'll be some person who gets something crazy in their
mind and and goes after her or her or her kids.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
So I sort of see it, and I think.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
That you are right, she'd get the death threats. Yeah,
I believe that the threat threats are death threats are
real because I'm sure, Desmine Kracking gets them all the time.
Absolutely says you have to beef up your security and
how and watch the way you move in the words
that TJ and keep your head on the swivel. You
have to watch the way you move. But it's not
that and you you're very much right about that point, Bobby.
(17:58):
It is going to be one one of his cult members,
one of his crazes that he didn't put out a
dog WHI was so loud, and they don't. They can't
distinguish reality from fantasy, and they will go in so
like you said, and do something drastic. That is the
saddest part about this country, because that is what's happening,
all of this foolishness. And then you just mentioned somebody's
(18:20):
names as you brought him up. I want to mention
that about Charlie Kirk because there was alleged a trans
woman out and they got a whole site, not just
on the transite but on a lot of different sites
that he with all his spiel of hate and gaze
and this, and that he had spent about twenty in
the access of twenty or eighteen thousand dollars between eighteen
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to twenty thousand dollars on research and transporn and one
person he communicated with the day before the day he
was assassinated. I'm like, so they all like a little
T ANDD this, and here's my thing. You seem to
hate the thing the most that you're going after in secret.
(19:02):
You hate it out live, but you love it in private.
It's kind of messed up. Did you haven't seen that story, Bobby?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
No, I haven't. I have to.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Some of the stuff they put out, it's like, you
can't believe half of it, but even the fact usually
there's a kernel of truth somewhere.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
But no, I haven't.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I haven't heard it. But it's all of it.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I find find half of these conversations absolutely exhausting.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Meanwhile, have we seen any more Epstein files come out?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
My friend? Are you watching that? That's not you're not
going to see those because the way they the way
they just set it up when him hot with the
Trump scream and released the files. Now I got to
go back to Pam Bindy and said he's going to
say that there's something in there. So it's still open.
It's an open case. Yes, you never have to be released.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, so you get that you got that exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Run. My conspiracy theory is the only way those Epstein
files will ever be released is when Jeffrey Epstein is deceased.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
You are a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That is my theory. I do not believe that Jeffrey
Stein has left this place because I do believe somebody
else besides Gilaine Maxwell knew bad list and I think
they get the yellow envelope and say in case of
my death, it's just saying in case of my real death.
Because I'm not believing, I'm not buying it. And on
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that note, we're gonna take the commercial and run to
Epstein out and we'll be right back. Okay, and we're back.
Do you see, Clifford that I.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Didn't even and I didn't even get to put my
bikini on.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Could you imagine it's not needed over there? I heard
they need you to.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Oh Jesus, there'll be a luck coming at them. For
the love of God, I would have loved to have
been a fly on the wall.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
As I had said last week for the Mamdannie meeting,
it looked like a love fest, like a bro fest.
They do say that President Trump is very charming on
a one on one. You know, I heard Bill Maher
when Bill Maher went and he said, on a one
on one, he's fine. You know, we were busting each other.
He says, he still insults me, but he's appropriate because
that's all like he thinks. That's like almost like an act.
(21:21):
Not that he thinks he's any great president or anything.
But I saw them like jousting with the journalists there,
and Trump was pat in his back, and so he
must think either Mum Donnie has some sort.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Of juice or I don't know, but I would have
loved to have been there to hear what they were saying.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I have a very different take on that. I believe
that he's a he's a whining little person hiding behind
a big office desk. But when face man to man,
face to face, you have to not bow down, but
you have to whimper. Because we already know that Dommy
(22:01):
ain't no punk by the mouth. He can go at
it face to face if it's not scripted for Trump,
I don't. I don't think that Trump if somebody hasn't
said it to him or wrote it for him, I
don't think that he had the wits or the chop
or the intelligence to go toe to toe with Mandami,
so he figured, if we're gonna do this publicly or
I fight, let's just get along. It was it did
(22:21):
say face to me for America. But I don't think
that it was genuine, Bobby, This is my opinion. I
think it was very stage so that it won't look corrupt.
So do believe that my hold on. I also do
believe that Mandami wants to be in the in the
good circle of Trump as opposed to being in a
(22:41):
bad circle of Trump because it will help his plight
as he becomes a new mayor of New York. But
do I believe that it was genuine? Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
So hey, no, no, I think you just have to
respect each other.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I heard a lot of talking heads, well not really
talking heads, so media and stuff like they were tearing
them downie down, and I'm like, no, I don't think
like when Setterman went down to Mara Lago, go and
see what the other side has. I think it's a
smart smart play. Doesn't mean that you have to be
best friends. And I agree with what you're saying to
a point. And this is why where I differentiate. I
(23:19):
think you're gonna you'll go along with what I'm saying
or understand what I'm saying. Other than Zelensky. He certainly
tore him down in front of everybody, and Zelensky will tan.
Even though he's a tiny little man in stature, he's
a huge man and personality. He went toe to toe
with Trump and he was tearing him down when he
was at his weakest, which I think, again, I can't
(23:40):
stand a bully flame.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I just I can't stand Trump knew that them and
them down.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
And that's the right there, and Vilensky knew in order
to save his country sometimes you have to take a
different road. So I think that's the only reason. Selinsky
didn't show cowardice. But he didn't show the monster that
he And when I say monster, I mean that in
a great way because the curates courage and his love
for his country, his patriotism is unmatched. But he knew
(24:08):
that his country would have suffered had he came in
and matched energy with Trump, So he he didn't bow down,
But he just didn't come in and swinging like we
know he would do, because he knew there was a
bigger fish to fry. So those situations are very different.
But with Mandami, he got New York behind him, even
the ones that don't like him, because he still won't.
(24:30):
I don't know Bobby I liked. I like Mandami's tenacity,
but I think that he showed himself in the foot
with too much progression too fast. If you understand what
I'm saying, you know, if you cooking a pot of soup,
or if you're cooking a pot of soup, you don't
take all the ingredients with the cans unopened and throw
that shit in the pot. You patiently put what goes
(24:53):
in as needed. Think that he's moving a little too
fast with his progression, and he's going to scare New
York because because what I know about New Yorkers is
they are very comfortable with familiarity. You can bring change,
but you can't bring change in a day. It has
you have to let it grow on New Yorkers, and
New Yorkers will stop your dating you attracks and say no,
(25:14):
we don't want it. So you've got to sladity and slow,
like when you deflat with verge and you got to
go a little slow. I think he's moving a little
too fast and it's going to be a detriment to
his career.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
And do you know why that is inexperience. He's a
thirty two or a thirty four year old kid, I
don't know which. He doesn't have enough experience and exactly
this isn't this is his first big boy job. So
do I think he's savvy?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I think I think he.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I would have liked to have seen him in that
position in ten or fifteen years, be it under secretary,
be something less than learn the ropes from the ground up,
learn how to be a Joe Biden statesman. You know,
Joe is in there in his late twenties, and he
was the junior and he just listened and he was
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like a sponge and he took it all in. He
didn't start out trying, you know, wanting to be the president.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
At that age, you're gotta be you gotta be a
little you're gonna be a little less down and you
kind of make your chops.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
And I find a lot of young kids today, like
the millennials and the Gen zs, they just don't.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Realize they won't make your chops. Yeah, well they won't
incident gratification because that's what the Internet has afforded them. Yeah,
but it's going to be interesting to see. I'm glad
it was an amicable meeting. Let me say that for us,
for us, for us to see as opposed to something explosive,
because just like we see it, other countries see it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yep, and I and I believe that too. We can't
take anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I actually I appreciated that they both put their big
boy pants on that day and they went in and
they just I'm sure both.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Of them left.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
The woman went asshole, but they didn't have to do
it in front of us, because I just don't know
how much more our country can take.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Speaking of how much more we could take r F. K.
Junior and his vaccine and autisdam philosophies. You know, Bobby,
it might have been credible to think that had it
come from a doctor or a medical professional, somebody who
actually took the time to study that for years. And
but this is coming from a guy who eats raw
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food India, Oh my god. But this is coming from
somebody who is just flying all over the place talking crazy,
you know, and his own family has come out against him.
It's one thing when somebody else come out against you,
both in your family. But I cannot believe that the
CDC is upholding is just because this man was pointed
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to this position. This man makes the decisions for our country,
not for just the people in Washington or the statesman,
for everybody. And you're inexperienced. So what you're gonna do.
You're gonna just take everybody out on a theory, on
a I think I'm right, I think I can. I
think I can work. When you had little train, they could,
but the damn sure they will work when you put
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some shit in my arm that ain't working for my body,
or don't put it in.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I saw it's a beautiful piece that that was done.
I believe.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
In The New York Times, Tatiana Slashburg, Carolyn Kennedy's daughter
had a baby a year and a half ago, and
as she delivered, you know, they take blood and everything
your dad, so you know, you know that they kind
of make sure you're in.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Tiptop shape before they send j home.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
They noticed her white bloods and this has this is
the direct relation to what you were just talking about.
Her white blood cells was kind of kind of crazy.
They found out that she has a terminal cancer. She'll
be gone within a year and a half. That was
her her life expectancy. This is after delivering a baby
she has that she says in the piece, she hasn't
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even been able to hold or touch her baby because
you've germs. Other people have taken care of it. So
and she only had a two or three year old son,
so it's like hers are gone to her. Her fear
is that her cousin has stripped all of never mind
the autism theory that he has, that he said he
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didn't have it any longer and he wasn't going to
bother and now we know as of last week, the
CDC took the the correlation between the two down that
it was false that she and she has been blessed
that she has money and she can afford care and
et cetera, et cetera, that he has stripped billions and
billions of dollars from because she is a very rare,
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super rare less than two percent of the cancer that
she has have this because this some sort of weird
gene that's happened, have taken the research away and she said,
so this's not even for my cancer. There's not even
any more work that's being done right now through the
government helping it'll it all be like private donations and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And so she's still using dying.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
She's still trying to use her platform to bring down
her cousin to say, you know, we've got to start
thinking about this. Look, we put him in a piece
of a place of power, and she's got this amyloid cancer.
I mean, it's devastating. I feel so bad for Caroline Kennedy.
That poor girl has gone through so much. You know,
both parents dead, lost the brother in an accident. Her
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kids are everything. The other the other son, as we
talked a few weeks ago, is going to be running
for a seat in Congress.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
We'll see what happens there.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
But I thought, oh my god, I'd love to see
his response when he sees his family members talking against him.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Does it hit him, affect him? Does he go maybe
I'm made mistake or does he just like, just like
what I see, just keep pushing forward.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
But you know what, his wife stands by his side.
I appreciate that she does stand by his side whatever
decisions he makes. I watched her on the view a
couple of weeks ago, and she is right to die
with her husband, which I think is important. But I
think once the walls of Jericho starts coming down, I
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am hoping that when the leader leads that all of
his cronies are taken out immediately with him, because it
won't do no good if he's gone. But they still
have the decision making powers, especially to control our health,
our insurance, our housing, our medicaid, because they'll still be
there in those positions, and who knows how long before
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their loyalty will stay even after he's gone. Because that
Mike Johnson and Bondi and Pateail and Gno him and
Heick said they got their head so far up in
the up in the ring, good guy, I don't think
they can breathe.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
No, I don't think so either. Trump was supposed to
come forward with a healthcare proposal last week. I did
see him on Air Force one. They were just showing
it on CNN just before I came on here where
somebody was asking about the ACA subsidies, and he said,
while we might have to extend the subsidies, remember he's
gonna change everything.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
He said, but you know I'd rather not.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I'm like, well, he mustn't have much of a healthcare proposal,
or it might mustn't be viable.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well, I know that they were working with medicare.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
He did not the first term either, he did not have.
He kept saying he had, I have, and I have,
and we're on the table. Were and talks and that
is his selling point. He talks loud, talks around it,
talks to enough to appease his base, and never answers.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
One question asked to him, Well, he has a concept
of a healthcare of a health care product. He just
doesn't know anything else.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It will be all because at this point it will
be all fantasy anyway, because according to his records, his
doctor in the White House says that he's two hundred
and twenty four pounds. Girl, if you don't knock it.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Off, Yeah, no, he's he's far from I mean yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
And I don't know how that Joe Biden used to
release all of his everybody, it's just sees he rails
against the regular It has been the custom for fifty
years to put forward your medical records.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
He doesn't. And all he eats is McDonald's cheeseburgers. That's
him showing us, not anybody else showing us.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
So I don't know how I'm with Tim Wallas Let's
see those MRI results from from October.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
No, no, no, let's see those those taxes that you
never released. Let's see the stole has that's never going
to come out. Yeah we still. Let me go back
to the taxes. We never got the taxes.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Because he doesn't and everybody's that's another thing.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
That's they say, you don't have to it's just custom
but it's if it's customary, everybody else has done it.
What is the big deal if you are so rich
like you say, And that's the problem he's not. He's
not probably on paper is lucrative, is he is? He
wants people to believe.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Oh hell, I'm not buying that, Bobby, them sad dudes
from all these tears and all these foreign policies, enemies
that Oh, listen to me when I tell you, we'll
never know how sweet that potty is. But you better
not that that honey Pott is overflown with abundance.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Now since he's been in and since he was voted in.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
But while he was going through all of it and
people were collecting the money for his cases, I don't know,
you know, he had that look of kind of fear
that he was he was going to have to start
dipping into his own money.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
You know, I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
It doesn't, it doesn't. Yeah, all I know is that
they came out with the economy, that Bureau of Statistics
came out and they said things are not cheaper. They're
like three and a half percent higher. And Trump was
saying that, oh my god, how cheap the Thanksgiving meal
was going to be.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
It is down so much.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
And Purdue University found out that wholesale turkey prices were
up actually seventy five percent. What was cheaper we had
it here in our area, We'll say there were six
different grocery stores, and the grocery stores themselves were trying
to sell a meal for people. Now, did it have
all of the fixings, No, but they were selling meals
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for forty dollars. So you could get the turkey for
fifteen and then you know, but you got like potatoes,
a green vegetable dressing.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And rolls.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
But you didn't have sweet potatoes and this and that
and the other. But they put a meal together in
the grocery. To the head, it wasn't. It wasn't as
prices are down.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I'm just very happy that they release snapped so so
many people because everybody was so suffering about the holidays
like this one day. So I was glad that people
were able to have their minds at ease with that.
But nothing is cheaper. You go to the grocery store,
you're a regular consumer just like me. Everything is higher,
and everything is going higher as we go along, from
the place of plane singers to a pase of water gas.
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Everything is crazy. And we knew what was coming because
we are paying for the brunt of this administration's mistakes,
and they are making quite a few on our watch.
But guess what, we can make a change. We can
make a difference. The primaries are coming. They trying to
Jerry Man and set that shit up. But I'm telling you,
those jerry managerent laws are getting slapped even when they
(36:12):
get when they got stopped in Texas, I knew we
had a chance. I say, damn it, we got a chance.
But Bobby, you gotta vote, you gotta you can encourage
it all the time that these these primaries will make
the difference of the changes in your life and all
the change that he has made. That y'all don't like that,
y'all have heard publicly that have not went into effect.
(36:32):
Get your ass to the pose and make sure that
they don't go in fake by voting against everybody who
did not vote for you, You voted for a person,
put them in that seat that was supposed to be
your mouthpiece. They mouth is closed when it came to you.
They're eating and you and not but you put them
in office. The decision is yours and.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
That's the truth, and that is the truth those any
of the changes his BBB, it doesn't go into effect
until the January after the elections. So you're not feeling
the pinch yet now. And he's talking about making changes
and whatnot. That's because we're screaming, we're unhappy, and he
wants to try to keep including his own base because
(37:12):
they don't have any more money than us.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It's not like it's filtered through to them. Yep, yep.
You know the one thing I haven't seen. I haven't
seen that that these motivations on that big ballum.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Oh listen. I don't know if I like the fact
that they were able to change the landscape of the
White House, but that's my own person me. I don't
even know why somebody would give this president who's only
going to be in their temporary whether he whatever they do,
he's only in their temporary. So what the next president's
gonna do? Switch it back? That is what y'all had
(37:45):
to look at, because the next president may come in
and say, no, I love the tradition, So what we're
gonna pay another two hundred and fifty million dollars to
switch you back? No, his intention, his mind, if y'all
paying attention, is to never see or leave this place,
not standing up and definitely not without a fight. He
(38:05):
gave you that the first term that he wasn't leaving.
So I don't even understand why we put ourselves back.
And sometimes Americans, some of you Americans, and I'm saying this,
and this is all nationality is. If you voted, especially
gainst your own common best interests, some of y'all look
like you are gluttons for punishment. You knew what was coming,
yet you still voted for it, because hey, what it
(38:26):
was a woman, it was a black woman, it was
a woman of color, or you just like the way
that he spoke with all this authority, even though everything
that he said was wrong, ridiculous, gonna be ridiculed, but
he spoke he a man, he's a man's man, and woo,
that man's man was quite expensive. Just go round. I'm
just saying that I'm a man's man. I got tits,
(38:47):
but I ain't gonna see you wrong.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Well, I mean we needed if we really wanted to
be generous, we really needed a ballroom.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Do we need one at this time?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Do we need to have outside people paying for it
so that it just seems it seems unsavory, It seems
like a conflict of interest.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I don't know. Do we need one? Is big? When
you involved other people, he could have almost taken it
off his place.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Given it to people that had one that was a
normal size, not this monstrosity.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I'm surprised to hear you say that you are such
a traditional traditionalist from the time that I've known you,
Why would you allow somebody to change the White House? Bobby,
the landscape.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
You can add, not necessarily on that part. Put it
in the back where none of us can see it.
Make it reasonable. This is bigger than the White House itself.
You've got to have a side. I mean, we have
a tent.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I'm thinking of security flame to be quite honest with you.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Never mind they're worrying about girls feet going down their heels,
going into the going into the the grass or whatever's
under the tent. I don't care about that, But I
am thinking about you get a lot aheads, the dignitary
that are inside a tent, I don't know how safe
they are. I mean, we need a ball or a
bigger ballroom, but not the way that it was that happened.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It needs to.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Blend with the building. You don't tear a whole wing off.
That is so important. I felt a certain way whenever
I saw the wrecking ball I don't know. That was
like it's like a family home being torn down in
front of me. That really bothered me. So, I mean,
do I think that we needed a Do we think
we needed a ballroom?
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I do.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I think it should have been handled. It should have
been invented the way any type of construction is done.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
And architects who have the White House's interests in their
best you know, in their best interest, should have been
the ones that made up plans, not somebody that is
you know, under Trump's thumb, where he's making it twice
as big as the White House itself.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's it's going to look like the stupidest addition you
ever have, those that the enable it. Somebody puts an
addition on it's bigger than the high looks.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Ridiculous, and not to tear the east wing where the
with the first ladies always go.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
The reason he has some I think the reason he
had a private contract to come here because there will
be all kind of tunnels and k's and back door
and hatches and underground railroads and everything else that we
will never know about. That's why he had private contract
to come in, hopefully a private contractor shut up flame
on r. Don't you say that. Don't you dare say that.
(41:14):
I'm just saying I was thinking about wasn't his name
that they from Chicago, the monster that they still can't find,
the teamster. I was just hoping, yeah, yeah, Hafer, yeah
yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
And my best Boston in my best Boston.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Why I'm going with this, y'all know I was going
with that. But anyway, that's why. But Bobby, it's guardy
and my problem is not that he built it. My
problem is that they allow him the permission to build it.
Everything has to be certified or everything has to go
through channels. They're not giving him any of that.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Didn't know, He's just he just going ahead and had
the guard damn working ball come in. He didn't ask
any of the right the right departments in siri.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
He doesn't have to, but everybody has. You don't put
everything guard. He keeps going on, how it's not going
to cost us anything. Do you know how much it's
going to cost us to try to pick off all
the gold paint he put on everything inside the inside
the White House.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
You look behind you like, oh my god, it's like Versailles.
It's not. It's not the look that we wanted.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
We left.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
You know, our forefathers left the country to get away
from the opulence and the and the Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
So now you're contradicting yourself. But now you just contradict yourself.
He said, you don't like all the gold, all the accedents.
He made no hold on. But then you're talking about
the ball room. Girl. We did need We did not
need a new ball room. We needed to fix our economy.
We needed to make sure that people can eat and
have good health care. We did that. Money could have
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all of that money could have went somewhere. They're not
even throwing big lavish parties like that. When he had
the inaugural ball or whatever. The same amount of people
that's on this lab right now was on there, four
of us. It is it was unnecessary. It is over
the top of disrespect to Americas and a slap on
our face, right in our faces, and we are allowing
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it's what happened. That is my biggest issue. It's not
what he can do, it is what we're letting him do.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
It's it's I do think we needed a ballroom, a
reasonable book, not what he's putting in.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
You know, it looks like it's down at Marolaco. That's
not what we want.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
I wanted to match the inside of the White House.
The White House is simple, everything's white, clean. Chris, I
do think that a ballroom, As I said, started it
by saying.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I don't know if the timing was right. At some point,
we do need one. Do we need one the size?
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
We don't need a thousand people because we don't have
a thousand people parties, but we do need whatever the
amount of.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
People that are stuck outside and a tent, you know,
the people.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
It's like when you go to a wedding, and you
know you're not really valued when you're stuck by the
toilet all by the kitchen door. Those people we need
to bring them in. If that was for an extra
two hundred and fifty to three hundred seats, that's all
we needed. And we don't need the golderly, I mean,
we just just keep it simple, stupid, and you know,
keep the money down.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
There was a business decision with the size of this ballroom,
and you just said it. And when you said it
hit my mind that the bigger the ballroom, the more
people that can attend, the more million dollars per person
checks he's going to get. Because it is going to
be astronomical money to attend those dinners. And in order
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to be a part of you, you want to be
in the know. You got to be in the loop.
You will come up with that money some kind of way.
Oh it's about to be oh, handover fist the overflow.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
No, I agree with you. I agree.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, the decisions that we make, it has to come
from you all. I'm telling in the words of Bobby,
I'm encourage you all. Get to those poles. Make these
mid terms look like let's make history in the mid
terms best, so many people are at these poles to
say no, we don't want this. They said no. Let
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us as the country say no more. They said no.
We said no more.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
They said no.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
We said no more, because I'm telling you, this is
petrifying to think that the rock. It's not the rock
rolling down the hill. This is the boulder. You can't
get away from it. You can't even go in the
nook and granny, it's gonna pull you out. So they
said no, we said no more. I'm telling you because
we were in trouble. I'm sorry, by where were you going? Baby?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (45:29):
No, no, that was that was that.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I just I was going to say, I haven't seen
anything else on.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
I was calling it the intimidation when the six Democrats
were actually probably speaking to the Venezuela bombings, you know,
make sure that we're vetting and whatever else they feel that,
you know, the like the poor national guy that are
being forced to go to cities. If they they said,
if you get in an order that's illegal, go to
your jag officer and have them vet it for you
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before you go.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
And now he's got the FBI. You know, first he
said it was sedition and and hanging is the is
the response. And then he backed that up.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
And then they're going after poor.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Kelly because he is a retired Navy man. Oh I
bet you they're going to try to mess with his pension.
I bet you.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
I admire I admired John. I am Mark Kelly. Yeah,
but I admired Kelly. Give me to Finasty and his
courage to speak up as the as the patriot and
as the American citizen, especially after what happened to his
wife and he served his town. I love when he
showed all of his awards when Trump called him a
counter and he just showed all of his service awards
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for him being in the military so many terms and
fighting for this country so that somebody like Trump can
sit in a position like that that I thought that
was pretty brilliant when he did that though, that was
a priceless You know how they say a picture is
worth a thousand words, that was about ten million words.
I thought that was pretty boss. Okay, And on that noted,
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Hey, no this do what you do?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I know, peas do what you do?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Cain't no pleas do what I do?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And no, hey, hey hey, this is comedian Flame Monroe
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and welcome to episode number seventeen of Laugh and Learn.
We are glad to be here. We are glad you
guys are here to joining us. It is a day
or two after Thanksgiving. Thank you guys. I hope you guys.
Thanksgiving was wonderful. That you guys are with family, that
you've got a chance of fellowship and e Fred n
Ask speaking of fellowshipping and Fred dising. Please introduce my
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co host to the show. Very gorgeous, Bobby Clifford.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You were picking on my bangs a minute ago. You
don't mean gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Did you get your chuffy your turkey stuff for Thanksgiving?
Because you damn sure'll need your turkey stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah, you're too fresh. We had a delicious My sister
always does an awesome job. She does it from nuts
to bolts, and it was delicious. It was super quiet
this year, and you know what, I think I needed it.
This has been a really tough year. So I feel
like I keep saying that year after year it seems
like they get a little tougher.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
But it was very nice. How about you? You cooked?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I did cook, and I'm with you, Bobby. It was
a very quiet Thanksgiving. We had nobody come over, but
all my children went home. We prayed, we thank you,
told God. We were saying for The food was delicious,
by the way, you know, And when I say my
whole family, I'm thinking my kids, a lb, my partner. Yeah,
but we I sat at the dinner table this year
and listened to my adult children have a conversations. Oh
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my god, it was like, these are not the kids
I raised. I don't know who these monsters are. Good Lord,
that was funny to me because I don't know if
I've ever just sat and didn't talk and just listen and.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Ooh the things you can learn.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
The things they have learned fro oh my God Jesus.
But other than that, y'all, we hope you guys had
a predath festive Thanksgiving. I know you in the mid Midwest.
It is cold and it is snows. Y'all. Just stay
safe if they were wrapped up, because it's crazy out there.
But let's get to the get to the get to
the Boby Clifford. Where are we starting? Where are we going?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Oh, let's start. Let's start at the most uncomfortable, because
I know makes me sad. The DC shooting.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
The DC shooting which happened on Thanksgiving Eve, I.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Think it happened jee before before, Yeah, because I think so.
There were two people shot.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
There was a young twenty year old and then there
was a twenty four year old, a female and a male, respectively,
and the female died on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, Bobby, she has a name. We want to say
her name.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I know, I'm trying to zip down to it.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I'm sorry, My notes are huge this time, and I
am trying to zip down because I had that at
the bottom, but I'm thinking, I don't want it to be.
It's Sarah Beckstrom. She was twenty and Andrew Wolf was
twenty four. And he looked like he was a young
kid who grew facial hair because he could and he
thought it made him look older.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And he's still fighting for his life. God bless him.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
So and the terrorists they killed him.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
The murderer was shot him, shot him, not killed him,
shot him. He's not killed her and shot yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, sorry.
Was not pardoned by Donald Trump. But was They overlooked
him when they brought him in. They didn't vet him
the way that he should have been vetted.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And when Trump was faced with that for the way
he attacked that reporter who is highly educated, exceptionally intelligent woman.
I'm telling you, I'm trying to think her name. It
lose me right now, Bobby she is. I think she's
the Harvard graduate.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Oh yes, it's going past me too. I wasn't looking
at that eight or alive. But that's that's when you
have a reactive brain. That's what you always do. You
don't take a pause, and you don't do a beat.
He thinks that it was attacking.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It wasn't reactive. It was you knew that she cornered you,
and as opposed to you taking the not even a
high road just to say, oh, I'm not sure you
attacked this woman in such an ugly fashion. And you
know what I don't like, Bobby, is it Katie Rodgers?
Is her name?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I believe that's how I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like the fact that as a report I'm a professional.
Not only am I professional, I'm an adult person speaking
to another adult person, no matter what her title is.
You don't talk to me like that. And I don't
get a chance to reply back to you because I'm
telling you right now, I understand that I'm going to
lose my position. I won't be invited back to the
White House. But who wants to come back to be
put in a box like this? This was It was
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so barbaric, Bobby, and I was like, oh my gosh,
So you guys just can't say anything back to this
grown man talking to you like you're his kid.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
No, not if it's negative, None, if it's negative towards him.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But he doesn't like so the Originally you have to
remember that this is one of the people that came
back when Biden brought everybody back from Afghanistan, I believe
that was operation ally welcome and he was vetted.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
The vetting probably wasn't enough.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I think any president, President Biden, if Kamala Harris was
the president, if it was Obama, if it was Trump,
any president, it wasn't going to go well. This was
going to be a poop show bringing these people back, regardless.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
We didn't. Trump gave us a date that we had
to meet. We didn't have enough time.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Of course, you know, the terrorists who were taking over
weren't going to extend that time.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So he came over. One of the things that some
of the Afghani.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
People that came over with them, some of their leaders said,
is you know, Biden was very good at making sure
that people got vouchers and home and et cetera, et cetera,
but they didn't have healthcare or mental health care because
we're having trouble with our own stuff. You know, that
wasn't a priority for people. And you know, we don't
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know if this guy had PTSD, if he was radicalized
while he was here because of course everybody thinks you're
going to come and the streets have made of gold
in America, right, and then they come over and they realize,
you know, in order to live a good life, you
could work thirty two jobs in eure Rope all the time.
But for that that news castor to a journalist to
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ask appropriate questions. And then under he was revetted under
the Trump administration, and nobody flagged him. You know, he
wasn't he wasn't flagged, so people were keeping an eye
on him. And that was under Trump as well.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And he just instead of him saying no, and what
I just said to you, we needed to do a
better job. We're going to have to do. But he
ate her alive.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And so and she works for the New York Times.
Let me give you some background on this very highly
qualified news reporter, extremely overly qualified news reporter that had
to put up with this foodishness from the person that
y'all put in the office. Because I didn't vote for him,
I voted for her. She is a University of Washington
graduate with a double major in English and Cinemamedia studies.
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She also has a a another degree. I want to say,
it's from Princeton where she got her what comes after
the bachelor's.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Degree, you're master's.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yes, So this woman is highly qualified, overly qualiti hat
and he has talked to and he called her stupid,
and he called hers stupid and what a stupid question, Bobby.
I was watching that in real time and I was like,
oh my god. She held her I respect her, she
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held her composure. She whoa but but you know how
they used to have that thing on MTV where they
had to pop up bubbles over what the people were
thinking of saying. If she had a pop up bubbles
over her head, I know she wanted to say, you
fat clapp she did.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I mean some of the stuff he says, it just
keep it on the inside.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
And it is a reactive brain. It's not it's not
a he doesn't you ever watched well Biden. They called
him old and and people used to pick on the
cadence of the way President Obama spoke. It's because they
paused for a moment before they spoke. They didn't just go,
They paused God their thoughts together, and then moved forward.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He doesn't do that.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And since he takes everything like a person with the
reactive brain does. Personally, everything is a shout out against him.
She was asking a valid question. She wasn't tearing him
down because, as I said, I don't think there's anybody
who thought that getting out of Afghanistan was going to
be easy clean. We could have done so much better.
But you know, this is one of my casualties. There's
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another guy they're looking at as well, expectfully.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But respectfully as a journalist. Not only was she allowed
to ask the question, it was a question that we
as American people wanted to know. We had just we
had just lost a citizen, you know, a woman was
killed and the other guy is in the hospital currently
fighting for his life. So of course we're going to ask,
especially when this has happened under your watch. You're the president.
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You love the screen there every day. So but then
you get in a hissy fit and take your diaper
all fully loaded and throw it at people just because
you're agreed. Yuck. He is. I mean, this is.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
They're going to have to vet a lot of people.
Maybe they'll get the people that are some of the
help that they need to. But this this guy laid
in wage he shot them both in the head, I mean,
he had to be one hell of a shot. He
worked with the CIA when he was when it was
in Afghanistan. He's moved here. He's got five children here.
They live in Washington State. He had to drive from
Washington State all the way down to so we had
a long time to plan this. He was, they said,
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working by himself. It appears that there wasn't. It wasn't
like he was part of a sell. This really was
just him. But you're going to be some kind of
disgruntled to shoot a twenty year old kid in the head.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, was he or was he
not a Republican Republican supporter.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't think I saw.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm not sure. Don't quote me on this, but I
believe I saw on the news somewhere that he was
a Republican supporter. And so many of them are jumping ship,
turn and run and looking the other way or looking
behind them now because a lot of things that happened,
you know, he this, this was very tragic in America.
We hate to see anybody lose their lives, especially oversaw
my sastage. But speaking of jumping and running, jumping ship
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and running and not looking to trying not to look back.
Hit one of his very favorites, Marjorie Taylor Green, has
turned ran pulled a tail between the legs with a
bleached blind, bad bush body, and ran for the heels
to try to get away from all the mess. Because
the walls of Jericho are going to come down, and
they're going to come down as sooner than we think
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I think.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
So we're seeing, we're seeing the cracks so and I
just looked. I can't say what his pied. Just to
finish up the other one, the political affiliation he was on,
they call it humanitarian parole. In April, uh, the Trump
administration gave him, granted him asylum, you know, whether he
needed extended asylum. But we're seeing, we're seeing Marjorie Taylor Green,
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we're gonna the other. The other person we're seeing is
that have that have come right out? Trump was speaking
to did you did you hear this Tim Walls? He
was he was something in response to Tim Walls about
the Somali population that is in Minnesota they have the
highest Somali population one point one percent uh of their citizens.
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And he called he called Tim Walls the R word, well.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
For people.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Oh, I know, you know, I hate that word. It's
like the N word. I don't I'm not saying it.
It's what my sister Teresa is. What people would call
my sister Teresa retarded, and so they say it as
an insult. For people who have a special needs child,
it is like saying the N word because you're doing
it to belittle, to bully, and to bring somebody down.
You don't ever mean it as something nice. And so
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the the we know this jerry mandering, this request to
jerry manders. So Indiana has a I don't know if
I'm going to pronounce this gentleman's name. It's a state
senator that would have been voting on jerry mandering. His
name is Bohassek, Michael Bohasseck, and he has a downs child,
and he says he doesn't have my vote, and there
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are two people that have already come forward, and he's there's.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Everybody's starting to see this.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
As we talked about last week, little cracks, nothing big,
but he's losing the Madrie Taylor Greens. There are a
couple of more people like that. He's losing people on
the state level that he needs to vote for whatever
his cousins are. And when you talk stupid and you
say these filthy words, and you belittle people, and you
you call journalists miss piggy or piggy when he is
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far from speut. He ain't no six foot three, two
hundred and thirty pounds, As I said, that's where Chris
Cromo is. And if you put the two of them
side by side, they don't look anything alike in their physiques.
I think we're starting to see little by little, she's
leaving in January. I hope to god we have some
good news about who replaces her.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I am, I am not I am.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
That's presidential? Is that word presidential? To call some of
the R word, that's that's a You would expect a
president of any country to use that language with somebody.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Well, we're not. We're not talking about the president of
any country. We talked about Donald Trump in this country. Uh.
And they knew what was coming long before it came,
because his first term he made fun of somebody with
a handicap publicly, and they laughed, they mocked, they laughed
when Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul was attacked. So nothing, nothing
short of ridiculous surprises me. But the fact that Tim
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Wallas has to deal with this, and what does the
one point one percent of some aliens have to do
in Minnesota have to do anybody? Don't nobody want to
live in cold ass Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well he attacked right back. I loved it.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
He said, you know what, they've done, nothing wrong. These
people have they're they're active people, you know, within my community.
And he says, she's Donald. You know what, I think,
he said, You've coming out a lot with a lot
of these statements, you know, in crazy talk. I think
that the MRI that you had that people and people
did a whole article on this guy. So so that's
who's reporting as well as news station. I think that
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the MRI results that that we're done in October need
to be released so that people can see them.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Oh he's outraged.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh yeah. I think back to Marjorie Taylor Green because
I don't want to get off of her yet. I
believe the reason that she championship is because it's because
she knows that inside of trading and all of the
stuff that they've been so called accused of, when those
walls come coming down, they're going to point the fingers
of blame especially if you're still in sit in a
sitting seat to come after you. And I think she's
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removing herself because that that she saw that in her
district she wasn't going to win, that that her her
numbers are not what they thought they were. So because
you wanted sentence, Look, her pullout game is amazing right now, well.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
She says, And I believe this.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I do absolutely believe this, because she remembers she's on
the far right right. She is saying that she's getting
death threats because due to all the chaos its in
the Republican Party. I believe that we talked about this
last week. I said, I actually worry for her.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I don't I don't think.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
It'll be Trump or Trump sanctioned, right what we don't
even to allude that it's like Steck Dad. But it
will be some crazy like the person who shot Charlie Kirk.
It'll be some person who gets something crazy in their
mind and and goes after her or her or her kids.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
So I sort of see it, and I think.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
That you are right, she'd get the death threats. Yeah,
I believe that the threat threats are death threats are
real because I'm sure, Desmine Kracking gets them all the time.
Absolutely says you have to beef up your security and
how and watch the way you move in the words
that TJ and keep your head on the swivel. You
have to watch the way you move. But it's not
that and you you're very much right about that point, Bobby.
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It is going to be one one of his cult members,
one of his crazes that he didn't put out a
dog WHI was so loud, and they don't. They can't
distinguish reality from fantasy, and they will go in so
like you said, and do something drastic. That is the
saddest part about this country, because that is what's happening,
all of this foolishness. And then you just mentioned somebody's
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names as you brought him up. I want to mention
that about Charlie Kirk because there was alleged a trans
woman out and they got a whole site, not just
on the transite but on a lot of different sites
that he with all his spiel of hate and gaze
and this, and that he had spent about twenty in
the access of twenty or eighteen thousand dollars between eighteen
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to twenty thousand dollars on research and transporn and one
person he communicated with the day before the day he
was assassinated. I'm like, so they all like a little
T ANDD this, and here's my thing. You seem to
hate the thing the most that you're going after in secret.
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You hate it out live, but you love it in private.
It's kind of messed up. Did you haven't seen that story, Bobby?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
No, I haven't. I have to.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Some of the stuff they put out, it's like, you
can't believe half of it, but even the fact usually
there's a kernel of truth somewhere.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
But no, I haven't.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I haven't heard it. But it's all of it.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I find find half of these conversations absolutely exhausting.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Meanwhile, have we seen any more Epstein files come out?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
My friend? Are you watching that? That's not you're not
going to see those because the way they the way
they just set it up when him hot with the
Trump scream and released the files. Now I got to
go back to Pam Bindy and said he's going to
say that there's something in there. So it's still open.
It's an open case. Yes, you never have to be released.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, so you get that you got that exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Run. My conspiracy theory is the only way those Epstein
files will ever be released is when Jeffrey Epstein is deceased.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
You are a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That is my theory. I do not believe that Jeffrey
Stein has left this place because I do believe somebody
else besides Gilaine Maxwell knew bad list and I think
they get the yellow envelope and say in case of
my death, it's just saying in case of my real death.
Because I'm not believing, I'm not buying it. And on
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that note, we're gonna take the commercial and run to
Epstein out and we'll be right back. Okay, and we're back.
Do you see, Clifford that I.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Didn't even and I didn't even get to put my
bikini on.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Could you imagine it's not needed over there? I heard
they need you to.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Oh Jesus, there'll be a luck coming at them. For
the love of God, I would have loved to have
been a fly on the wall.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
As I had said last week for the Mamdannie meeting,
it looked like a love fest, like a bro fest.
They do say that President Trump is very charming on
a one on one. You know, I heard Bill Maher
when Bill Maher went and he said, on a one
on one, he's fine. You know, we were busting each other.
He says, he still insults me, but he's appropriate because
that's all like he thinks. That's like almost like an act.
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Not that he thinks he's any great president or anything.
But I saw them like jousting with the journalists there,
and Trump was pat in his back, and so he
must think either Mum Donnie has some sort.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Of juice or I don't know, but I would have
loved to have been there to hear what they were saying.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I have a very different take on that. I believe
that he's a he's a whining little person hiding behind
a big office desk. But when face man to man,
face to face, you have to not bow down, but
you have to whimper. Because we already know that Dommy
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ain't no punk by the mouth. He can go at
it face to face if it's not scripted for Trump,
I don't. I don't think that Trump if somebody hasn't
said it to him or wrote it for him, I
don't think that he had the wits or the chop
or the intelligence to go toe to toe with Mandami,
so he figured, if we're gonna do this publicly or
I fight, let's just get along. It was it did
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say face to me for America. But I don't think
that it was genuine, Bobby, This is my opinion. I
think it was very stage so that it won't look corrupt.
So do believe that my hold on. I also do
believe that Mandami wants to be in the in the
good circle of Trump as opposed to being in a
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bad circle of Trump because it will help his plight
as he becomes a new mayor of New York. But
do I believe that it was genuine? Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
So hey, no, no, I think you just have to
respect each other.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I heard a lot of talking heads, well not really
talking heads, so media and stuff like they were tearing
them downie down, and I'm like, no, I don't think
like when Setterman went down to Mara Lago, go and
see what the other side has. I think it's a
smart smart play. Doesn't mean that you have to be
best friends. And I agree with what you're saying to
a point. And this is why where I differentiate. I
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think you're gonna you'll go along with what I'm saying
or understand what I'm saying. Other than Zelensky. He certainly
tore him down in front of everybody, and Zelensky will tan.
Even though he's a tiny little man in stature, he's
a huge man and personality. He went toe to toe
with Trump and he was tearing him down when he
was at his weakest, which I think, again, I can't
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stand a bully flame.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I just I can't stand Trump knew that them and
them down.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
And that's the right there, and Vilensky knew in order
to save his country sometimes you have to take a
different road. So I think that's the only reason. Selinsky
didn't show cowardice. But he didn't show the monster that
he And when I say monster, I mean that in
a great way because the curates courage and his love
for his country, his patriotism is unmatched. But he knew
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that his country would have suffered had he came in
and matched energy with Trump, So he he didn't bow down,
But he just didn't come in and swinging like we
know he would do, because he knew there was a
bigger fish to fry. So those situations are very different.
But with Mandami, he got New York behind him, even
the ones that don't like him, because he still won't.
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I don't know Bobby I liked. I like Mandami's tenacity,
but I think that he showed himself in the foot
with too much progression too fast. If you understand what
I'm saying, you know, if you cooking a pot of soup,
or if you're cooking a pot of soup, you don't
take all the ingredients with the cans unopened and throw
that shit in the pot. You patiently put what goes
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in as needed. Think that he's moving a little too
fast with his progression, and he's going to scare New
York because because what I know about New Yorkers is
they are very comfortable with familiarity. You can bring change,
but you can't bring change in a day. It has
you have to let it grow on New Yorkers, and
New Yorkers will stop your dating you attracks and say no,
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we don't want it. So you've got to sladity and slow,
like when you deflat with verge and you got to
go a little slow. I think he's moving a little
too fast and it's going to be a detriment to
his career.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
And do you know why that is inexperience. He's a
thirty two or a thirty four year old kid, I
don't know which. He doesn't have enough experience and exactly
this isn't this is his first big boy job. So
do I think he's savvy?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I think I think he.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I would have liked to have seen him in that
position in ten or fifteen years, be it under secretary,
be something less than learn the ropes from the ground up,
learn how to be a Joe Biden statesman. You know,
Joe is in there in his late twenties, and he
was the junior and he just listened and he was
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like a sponge and he took it all in. He
didn't start out trying, you know, wanting to be the president.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
At that age, you're gotta be you gotta be a
little you're gonna be a little less down and you
kind of make your chops.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
And I find a lot of young kids today, like
the millennials and the Gen zs, they just don't.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Realize they won't make your chops. Yeah, well they won't
incident gratification because that's what the Internet has afforded them. Yeah,
but it's going to be interesting to see. I'm glad
it was an amicable meeting. Let me say that for us,
for us, for us to see as opposed to something explosive,
because just like we see it, other countries see it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yep, and I and I believe that too. We can't
take anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I actually I appreciated that they both put their big
boy pants on that day and they went in and
they just I'm sure both.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Of them left.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
The woman went asshole, but they didn't have to do
it in front of us, because I just don't know
how much more our country can take.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Speaking of how much more we could take r F. K.
Junior and his vaccine and autisdam philosophies. You know, Bobby,
it might have been credible to think that had it
come from a doctor or a medical professional, somebody who
actually took the time to study that for years. And
but this is coming from a guy who eats raw
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food India, Oh my god. But this is coming from
somebody who is just flying all over the place talking crazy,
you know, and his own family has come out against him.
It's one thing when somebody else come out against you,
both in your family. But I cannot believe that the
CDC is upholding is just because this man was pointed
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to this position. This man makes the decisions for our country,
not for just the people in Washington or the statesman,
for everybody. And you're inexperienced. So what you're gonna do.
You're gonna just take everybody out on a theory, on
a I think I'm right, I think I can. I
think I can work. When you had little train, they could,
but the damn sure they will work when you put
(28:03):
some shit in my arm that ain't working for my body,
or don't put it in.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I saw it's a beautiful piece that that was done.
I believe.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
In The New York Times, Tatiana Slashburg, Carolyn Kennedy's daughter
had a baby a year and a half ago, and
as she delivered, you know, they take blood and everything
your dad, so you know, you know that they kind
of make sure you're in.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Tiptop shape before they send j home.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
They noticed her white bloods and this has this is
the direct relation to what you were just talking about.
Her white blood cells was kind of kind of crazy.
They found out that she has a terminal cancer. She'll
be gone within a year and a half. That was
her her life expectancy. This is after delivering a baby
she has that she says in the piece, she hasn't
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even been able to hold or touch her baby because
you've germs. Other people have taken care of it. So
and she only had a two or three year old son,
so it's like hers are gone to her. Her fear
is that her cousin has stripped all of never mind
the autism theory that he has, that he said he
(29:11):
didn't have it any longer and he wasn't going to
bother and now we know as of last week, the
CDC took the the correlation between the two down that
it was false that she and she has been blessed
that she has money and she can afford care and
et cetera, et cetera, that he has stripped billions and
billions of dollars from because she is a very rare,
(29:31):
super rare less than two percent of the cancer that
she has have this because this some sort of weird
gene that's happened, have taken the research away and she said,
so this's not even for my cancer. There's not even
any more work that's being done right now through the
government helping it'll it all be like private donations and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And so she's still using dying.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
She's still trying to use her platform to bring down
her cousin to say, you know, we've got to start
thinking about this. Look, we put him in a piece
of a place of power, and she's got this amyloid cancer.
I mean, it's devastating. I feel so bad for Caroline Kennedy.
That poor girl has gone through so much. You know,
both parents dead, lost the brother in an accident. Her
(30:15):
kids are everything. The other the other son, as we
talked a few weeks ago, is going to be running
for a seat in Congress.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
We'll see what happens there.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
But I thought, oh my god, I'd love to see
his response when he sees his family members talking against him.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Does it hit him, affect him? Does he go maybe
I'm made mistake or does he just like, just like
what I see, just keep pushing forward.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
But you know what, his wife stands by his side.
I appreciate that she does stand by his side whatever
decisions he makes. I watched her on the view a
couple of weeks ago, and she is right to die
with her husband, which I think is important. But I
think once the walls of Jericho starts coming down, I
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am hoping that when the leader leads that all of
his cronies are taken out immediately with him, because it
won't do no good if he's gone. But they still
have the decision making powers, especially to control our health,
our insurance, our housing, our medicaid, because they'll still be
there in those positions, and who knows how long before
(31:23):
their loyalty will stay even after he's gone. Because that
Mike Johnson and Bondi and Pateail and Gno him and
Heick said they got their head so far up in
the up in the ring, good guy, I don't think
they can breathe.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
No, I don't think so either. Trump was supposed to
come forward with a healthcare proposal last week. I did
see him on Air Force one. They were just showing
it on CNN just before I came on here where
somebody was asking about the ACA subsidies, and he said,
while we might have to extend the subsidies, remember he's
gonna change everything.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
He said, but you know I'd rather not.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I'm like, well, he mustn't have much of a healthcare proposal,
or it might mustn't be viable.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well, I know that they were working with medicare.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
He did not the first term either, he did not have.
He kept saying he had, I have, and I have,
and we're on the table. Were and talks and that
is his selling point. He talks loud, talks around it,
talks to enough to appease his base, and never answers.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
One question asked to him, Well, he has a concept
of a healthcare of a health care product. He just
doesn't know anything else.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It will be all because at this point it will
be all fantasy anyway, because according to his records, his
doctor in the White House says that he's two hundred
and twenty four pounds. Girl, if you don't knock it.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Off, Yeah, no, he's he's far from I mean yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
And I don't know how that Joe Biden used to
release all of his everybody, it's just sees he rails
against the regular It has been the custom for fifty
years to put forward your medical records.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
He doesn't. And all he eats is McDonald's cheeseburgers. That's
him showing us, not anybody else showing us.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
So I don't know how I'm with Tim Wallas Let's
see those MRI results from from October.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
No, no, no, let's see those those taxes that you
never released. Let's see the stole has that's never going
to come out. Yeah we still. Let me go back
to the taxes. We never got the taxes.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Because he doesn't and everybody's that's another thing.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
That's they say, you don't have to it's just custom
but it's if it's customary, everybody else has done it.
What is the big deal if you are so rich
like you say, And that's the problem he's not. He's
not probably on paper is lucrative, is he is? He
wants people to believe.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Oh hell, I'm not buying that, Bobby, them sad dudes
from all these tears and all these foreign policies, enemies
that Oh, listen to me when I tell you, we'll
never know how sweet that potty is. But you better
not that that honey Pott is overflown with abundance.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Now since he's been in and since he was voted in.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
But while he was going through all of it and
people were collecting the money for his cases, I don't know,
you know, he had that look of kind of fear
that he was he was going to have to start
dipping into his own money.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
You know, I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
It doesn't, it doesn't. Yeah, all I know is that
they came out with the economy, that Bureau of Statistics
came out and they said things are not cheaper. They're
like three and a half percent higher. And Trump was
saying that, oh my god, how cheap the Thanksgiving meal
was going to be.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
It is down so much.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
And Purdue University found out that wholesale turkey prices were
up actually seventy five percent. What was cheaper we had
it here in our area, We'll say there were six
different grocery stores, and the grocery stores themselves were trying
to sell a meal for people. Now, did it have
all of the fixings, No, but they were selling meals
(35:05):
for forty dollars. So you could get the turkey for
fifteen and then you know, but you got like potatoes,
a green vegetable dressing.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And rolls.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
But you didn't have sweet potatoes and this and that
and the other. But they put a meal together in
the grocery. To the head, it wasn't. It wasn't as
prices are down.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I'm just very happy that they release snapped so so
many people because everybody was so suffering about the holidays
like this one day. So I was glad that people
were able to have their minds at ease with that.
But nothing is cheaper. You go to the grocery store,
you're a regular consumer just like me. Everything is higher,
and everything is going higher as we go along, from
the place of plane singers to a pase of water gas.
(35:50):
Everything is crazy. And we knew what was coming because
we are paying for the brunt of this administration's mistakes,
and they are making quite a few on our watch.
But guess what, we can make a change. We can
make a difference. The primaries are coming. They trying to
Jerry Man and set that shit up. But I'm telling you,
those jerry managerent laws are getting slapped even when they
(36:12):
get when they got stopped in Texas, I knew we
had a chance. I say, damn it, we got a chance.
But Bobby, you gotta vote, you gotta you can encourage
it all the time that these these primaries will make
the difference of the changes in your life and all
the change that he has made. That y'all don't like that,
y'all have heard publicly that have not went into effect.
(36:32):
Get your ass to the pose and make sure that
they don't go in fake by voting against everybody who
did not vote for you, You voted for a person,
put them in that seat that was supposed to be
your mouthpiece. They mouth is closed when it came to you.
They're eating and you and not but you put them
in office. The decision is yours and.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
That's the truth, and that is the truth those any
of the changes his BBB, it doesn't go into effect
until the January after the elections. So you're not feeling
the pinch yet now. And he's talking about making changes
and whatnot. That's because we're screaming, we're unhappy, and he
wants to try to keep including his own base because
(37:12):
they don't have any more money than us.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It's not like it's filtered through to them. Yep, yep.
You know the one thing I haven't seen. I haven't
seen that that these motivations on that big ballum.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Oh listen. I don't know if I like the fact
that they were able to change the landscape of the
White House, but that's my own person me. I don't
even know why somebody would give this president who's only
going to be in their temporary whether he whatever they do,
he's only in their temporary. So what the next president's
gonna do? Switch it back? That is what y'all had
(37:45):
to look at, because the next president may come in
and say, no, I love the tradition, So what we're
gonna pay another two hundred and fifty million dollars to
switch you back? No, his intention, his mind, if y'all
paying attention, is to never see or leave this place,
not standing up and definitely not without a fight. He
(38:05):
gave you that the first term that he wasn't leaving.
So I don't even understand why we put ourselves back.
And sometimes Americans, some of you Americans, and I'm saying this,
and this is all nationality is. If you voted, especially
gainst your own common best interests, some of y'all look
like you are gluttons for punishment. You knew what was coming,
yet you still voted for it, because hey, what it
(38:26):
was a woman, it was a black woman, it was
a woman of color, or you just like the way
that he spoke with all this authority, even though everything
that he said was wrong, ridiculous, gonna be ridiculed, but
he spoke he a man, he's a man's man, and woo,
that man's man was quite expensive. Just go round. I'm
just saying that I'm a man's man. I got tits,
(38:47):
but I ain't gonna see you wrong.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Well, I mean we needed if we really wanted to
be generous, we really needed a ballroom.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Do we need one at this time?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Do we need to have outside people paying for it
so that it just seems it seems unsavory, It seems
like a conflict of interest.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I don't know. Do we need one? Is big? When
you involved other people, he could have almost taken it
off his place.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Given it to people that had one that was a
normal size, not this monstrosity.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I'm surprised to hear you say that you are such
a traditional traditionalist from the time that I've known you,
Why would you allow somebody to change the White House? Bobby,
the landscape.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
You can add, not necessarily on that part. Put it
in the back where none of us can see it.
Make it reasonable. This is bigger than the White House itself.
You've got to have a side. I mean, we have
a tent.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I'm thinking of security flame to be quite honest with you.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Never mind they're worrying about girls feet going down their heels,
going into the going into the the grass or whatever's
under the tent. I don't care about that, But I
am thinking about you get a lot aheads, the dignitary
that are inside a tent, I don't know how safe
they are. I mean, we need a ball or a
bigger ballroom, but not the way that it was that happened.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It needs to.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Blend with the building. You don't tear a whole wing off.
That is so important. I felt a certain way whenever
I saw the wrecking ball I don't know. That was
like it's like a family home being torn down in
front of me. That really bothered me. So, I mean,
do I think that we needed a Do we think
we needed a ballroom?
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I do.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I think it should have been handled. It should have
been invented the way any type of construction is done.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
And architects who have the White House's interests in their
best you know, in their best interest, should have been
the ones that made up plans, not somebody that is
you know, under Trump's thumb, where he's making it twice
as big as the White House itself.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's it's going to look like the stupidest addition you
ever have, those that the enable it. Somebody puts an
addition on it's bigger than the high looks.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Ridiculous, and not to tear the east wing where the
with the first ladies always go.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
The reason he has some I think the reason he
had a private contract to come here because there will
be all kind of tunnels and k's and back door
and hatches and underground railroads and everything else that we
will never know about. That's why he had private contract
to come in, hopefully a private contractor shut up flame
on r. Don't you say that. Don't you dare say that.
(41:14):
I'm just saying I was thinking about wasn't his name
that they from Chicago, the monster that they still can't find,
the teamster. I was just hoping, yeah, yeah, Hafer, yeah
yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
And my best Boston in my best Boston.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Why I'm going with this, y'all know I was going
with that. But anyway, that's why. But Bobby, it's guardy
and my problem is not that he built it. My
problem is that they allow him the permission to build it.
Everything has to be certified or everything has to go
through channels. They're not giving him any of that.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Didn't know, He's just he just going ahead and had
the guard damn working ball come in. He didn't ask
any of the right the right departments in siri.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
He doesn't have to, but everybody has. You don't put
everything guard. He keeps going on, how it's not going
to cost us anything. Do you know how much it's
going to cost us to try to pick off all
the gold paint he put on everything inside the inside
the White House.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
You look behind you like, oh my god, it's like Versailles.
It's not. It's not the look that we wanted.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
We left.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
You know, our forefathers left the country to get away
from the opulence and the and the Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
So now you're contradicting yourself. But now you just contradict yourself.
He said, you don't like all the gold, all the accedents.
He made no hold on. But then you're talking about
the ball room. Girl. We did need We did not
need a new ball room. We needed to fix our economy.
We needed to make sure that people can eat and
have good health care. We did that. Money could have
(42:46):
all of that money could have went somewhere. They're not
even throwing big lavish parties like that. When he had
the inaugural ball or whatever. The same amount of people
that's on this lab right now was on there, four
of us. It is it was unnecessary. It is over
the top of disrespect to Americas and a slap on
our face, right in our faces, and we are allowing
(43:07):
it's what happened. That is my biggest issue. It's not
what he can do, it is what we're letting him do.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
It's it's I do think we needed a ballroom, a
reasonable book, not what he's putting in.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
You know, it looks like it's down at Marolaco. That's
not what we want.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
I wanted to match the inside of the White House.
The White House is simple, everything's white, clean. Chris, I
do think that a ballroom, As I said, started it
by saying.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I don't know if the timing was right. At some point,
we do need one. Do we need one the size?
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
We don't need a thousand people because we don't have
a thousand people parties, but we do need whatever the
amount of.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
People that are stuck outside and a tent, you know,
the people.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
It's like when you go to a wedding, and you
know you're not really valued when you're stuck by the
toilet all by the kitchen door. Those people we need
to bring them in. If that was for an extra
two hundred and fifty to three hundred seats, that's all
we needed. And we don't need the golderly, I mean,
we just just keep it simple, stupid, and you know,
keep the money down.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
There was a business decision with the size of this ballroom,
and you just said it. And when you said it
hit my mind that the bigger the ballroom, the more
people that can attend, the more million dollars per person
checks he's going to get. Because it is going to
be astronomical money to attend those dinners. And in order
(44:27):
to be a part of you, you want to be
in the know. You got to be in the loop.
You will come up with that money some kind of way.
Oh it's about to be oh, handover fist the overflow.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
No, I agree with you. I agree.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, the decisions that we make, it has to come
from you all. I'm telling in the words of Bobby,
I'm encourage you all. Get to those poles. Make these
mid terms look like let's make history in the mid
terms best, so many people are at these poles to
say no, we don't want this. They said no. Let
(45:00):
us as the country say no more. They said no.
We said no more.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
They said no.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
We said no more, because I'm telling you, this is
petrifying to think that the rock. It's not the rock
rolling down the hill. This is the boulder. You can't
get away from it. You can't even go in the
nook and granny, it's gonna pull you out. So they
said no, we said no more. I'm telling you because
we were in trouble. I'm sorry, by where were you going? Baby?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (45:29):
No, no, that was that was that.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I just I was going to say, I haven't seen
anything else on.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
I was calling it the intimidation when the six Democrats
were actually probably speaking to the Venezuela bombings, you know,
make sure that we're vetting and whatever else they feel that,
you know, the like the poor national guy that are
being forced to go to cities. If they they said,
if you get in an order that's illegal, go to
your jag officer and have them vet it for you
(45:55):
before you go.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
And now he's got the FBI. You know, first he
said it was sedition and and hanging is the is
the response. And then he backed that up.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
And then they're going after poor.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Kelly because he is a retired Navy man. Oh I
bet you they're going to try to mess with his pension.
I bet you.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
I admire I admired John. I am Mark Kelly. Yeah,
but I admired Kelly. Give me to Finasty and his
courage to speak up as the as the patriot and
as the American citizen, especially after what happened to his
wife and he served his town. I love when he
showed all of his awards when Trump called him a
counter and he just showed all of his service awards
(46:35):
for him being in the military so many terms and
fighting for this country so that somebody like Trump can
sit in a position like that that I thought that
was pretty brilliant when he did that though, that was
a priceless You know how they say a picture is
worth a thousand words, that was about ten million words.
I thought that was pretty boss. Okay, And on that noted,
we want to thank you for joining us here at
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Speaker 4 (48:11):
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Because your mind and your vote are a terrible thing
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Okay, there we go. We got it out. We had.
We had to choke it up out of it, y'all,
Bobby and choked in quite some time. But some man, please,
come and choke Bobby and then give for a job. Oh.
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I'll take a job, but the choking I can go
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