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October 24, 2025 40 mins

Flame Monroe and Bobbi Clifford dive into a dynamic discussion blending humor, politics, and cultural reflection. They explore the current state of the White House, the implications of presidential pardons, and the ongoing government shutdown’s effect on everyday Americans. The conversation expands to address the complexities of crime and policing in America, the human toll of war, and the internal challenges faced within the Black community. With their signature wit and insight, Flame and Bobbi emphasize accountability in leadership and call out public figures who neglect their responsibility to uplift their communities. 

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
We're flame, we.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Say she if you watch your coffee time the baby
you know the name Flame, my bro also known as
my ro Flame. Come in with last and come in
with you love loundes. Baby, you better catch it when
you can't drop a knowledge from fatherhood to politics, shouting
now comics, just paying homage.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
What's up tips?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
You know she raised shot towns on speaking to the.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Grown a second year.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
We're gonna laugh, cut him and kicking and at the
end we leave it with just a lifted spirits.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
But you want to revisit, so your first second listen,
young folks are your list? Oh folks that we dig.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Hey, no fish, do what you do? Y? No this
do what you do?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Hain't no kiss you what I do?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Hey, this is the media playing my role and welcome
to this week's episode of Left and I Produce over
here playing games with y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
The damn Aaron. We are happy to be here with
you this week.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Please welcome in the last week it was her birthday, girl,
how you feel to be in the oh? Hello, welcome
to my co host Bobby Clifford. Lady you know makes
a noise to fabulous Bobby Clifford. If you say in
my age, I will kill you. My sister, every waitress,
every person we walked up to, she got balloons bigger
than me. If you can imagine in the he said.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
You people suck.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
I'm not as embarrassed of my age, but I don't
go and wear a T shirt that hasn't on it.
For the love of God, I want them to think
I'm thirty five.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Listen, Bobby, turning turning ninety is a milestone. You should
be embracing that.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, you're three months older, so you must. You must
be ninety in a quarter.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Ninety looks good on me, damn it. Ninety looks good
on me and on you. Yeah, Bobby, So listen in
the news and the weird day lay y'all.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
But I'm telling you right now, yesterday, it's been hectic
and back down the road Saday this weekend. But before
we get into all that, I want to say, the
injustices in this country are so in our face. You
know this new generation letter holler, you playing in my face,
You playing in our face. Trumpet is playing in our
face with these pardons and with these he set it.

(03:01):
Everybody free. George Santos, who clearly lied to become stay sending.
They kept him there just to dishovel and blocked people
from getting into to hold the power to hold the key.
Went to prison for seven years, and they just pled guilty.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Let's but don't forget that he played guilty.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
It wasn't was disrespectful to seniors on the on the
floor that in his constituents ship, and his sentence was
just commuted by Trump. Seven years and now her he
got a government job. Meanwhile, we're in the middle of
a government shut down.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Is that what you have to do. I still don't
have a job and we're coming up on eight months.
For the love of God, another reason I don't want
my age shown. I'm telling you I don't want agism.
But let's get back to this lipstick wearing lip gloss,
wearing full.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
And now he wants to have a foundation where he's
over children. I am a full trans woman, and I
say what he did in his past, and I'm not
knocking his drag, but the way that he lies to
get with you continues to lie.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
He is exceptionally creepy.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
If I was you, I wouldn't beware, I would be
aware and say no, not around my kids.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
That's just my figuon.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
What were you going to say, Bobby, I was just
gonna say, just the arrogance of them, as you was saying.
Mitt Romney literally said to him he should be ashamed
of himself to back up, because he was right up
front to get a get a handshake from Biden, and
he should have been embarrassed. You know, all of this
had come out and he was clearly guilty of all
of it, and you think he would sit in the
back or not show up, but nope, he was right

(04:30):
up front, shaken, glad, handing with with President Biden and
and with his own side. When Mitt Romney said something
to him, you know what when your elder says something,
and not elder even being he's older, clearly he is,
but he's wiser. He's been in he's been in the
system for song. He was actually the governor of Massachusetts
years and he's telling you, he's guiding you and telling

(04:53):
you what you don't you don't back talk him. He
says to them, you know, right, well, we could he's
a full well the fact that he did this, this
and the cryptocurrency guy that I'm going to kill. His
name Jangpeng Zau. He also today commuted his sentence, and
he's pretending he supposedly he has also the ties to

(05:15):
TOMP industry or the family, and he's pretending he has
no idea who he is. He said, a lot of
people suggested that I do it, So I did it,
But I don't know him. Not guilty people, do you
know what I mean? Like people who play like why them?
There are plenty of people who could be let go
because our guidelines have changed on sentencing or they didn't

(05:35):
do anything horrible or do whatever, but people who were
actually guilty, and you're in eh whatever taking people early.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
The mere fact that he said, so many people were
asking me to do it, so I did it. You
are you supposedly are the most powerful leader in the world,
and somebody can tell you. So enough of y'all tell
him to jump off for breeze. Are you gonna damn
do it?

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Man?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's the big and it's just the copound Bobby and
they just banging everything that they're shoveling it. But they're
shoveling it, and I'm telling you, they shovels are big,
and it's just it's so scary to me because when
you think about the situation there that we are in
right now under this Trump administration, and you see all
these no Kings protests that we had this past Saturday.
Ooh yeah, there were millions of people out of the

(06:23):
street in so many different states and countries.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Seven aeria seven seven.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Many have those no Kings A voted Trump or B
didn't vote at all.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
They don't gather that information. But that's a good question.
Twenty seven hundred of those rallies. So and that's another
thing that was fipped about at first. Mike Johnson has
to come forward. These are people who love America and
because we don't have kings, they want to keep they
want to hold everything at bay, you know. They want
they want the systems to be that are put into
place to be put into place, and not three hundred billion.

(07:01):
I can't even think of the ballroom. I was gonna say,
dance room being built, the east wing of the People's
House being torn off and being privately funded winklink. But
I have to say when they showed and we're getting
off topic for a bit, when they show the pictures
of the east wing being torn off and all that

(07:21):
rebark coming up. That kind of did a little something
to me. It really bothered me to see that's where
the first ladies were, That's where the colonnade. When people
do people do tours and whatnot and they come in,
that's the like the lobby that they would come into.
It was historic and to tear that off, And the
historians and preservationists are saying to him, you are going

(07:45):
to overshadow the actual house itself, which you never do.
You're gonna see this big it's gonna look like an
arena hanging off of the house. And he still is
going ahead with it. And I think why he feels
he has the right to go ahead with it is
because it's privately funded. Even though he's saying that he
wants to sue the DOJ now for two hundred and

(08:06):
thirty million, and that maybe some of that I think
I said three hundred billion before it's three hundred million.
Got folks, I'm sorry, I mislaid you that maybe that
two hundred and thirty million that's our money. He'll pay
with that. Remember he was privately going to pay for
all of it.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Well, allegedly, it was supposedly illegal for him to do
to tear down any part of the do any construction
on the White House unless he got approval from some cabinet,
which he did not. But I'm like, illegal to who
because if they take it to the Supreme Court, he
already got them, so illegal to who, Which is why
he does what he does, because he knows there will

(08:43):
be no consequences. What Kamala Harris said, he will have
unhanged power and y'all giving it to him. Wait, I
saw the demolition of that too.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
It looks crazy because we never think about the White House.
Who would have ever thought that the White House would
be changed at all? It is, It's been that way
were so many centuries. I mean so many hundreds and hundreds,
I mean hundreds of years, and y'all a madman in
there could loose and do whatever you want to do.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
The biggest, the biggest, my understanding, is the biggest changes.
Because his his supporters are coming forward and saying, oh, no,
there are things that happen all the time, even under
President Obama. And they said, yeah, like new plumbing went
in infrastructure, not the building. Under under Truman, Truman and

(09:30):
his family actually had to move out, and they said
The reason he had to move out is because it
wasn't structurally sound. They were condemning it. So they went
in and actually for his entire term, second term, they
had to live at the Blairhouse, you know, across the street,
because they were shoring things up, making it safer. There
were big changes that were made under Jackie Kennedy. Her

(09:52):
her platform she stood at was updating the White House,
updating it, new wallpaper, flame, refinishing the furniture, refinishing the
banisters like that, not tearing or moving walls. That hasn't
been done. And I don't know, nobody seems to come
forward that I can see so far about it being illegal.
We assume because it has to go through Congress because

(10:14):
of money. But he doesn't have to do money. But
he's supposed to go through the preservationists and all of
that stuff. If it's not written in stone, and you
complain to it, he's going to try it just to
get away with it. And he keeps saying, for one
hundred and fifty years, everybody has wanted this ballroom, and
each living president has come forward and saying we didn't
want it, we didn't want it. Now do I think

(10:34):
that we probably need a ballroom. He is probably right
because they put up tents, and I'm my only complaint
with the tent is not because it's a tent and
there's a huge cost that goes up with putting them
up and down. I think the Secret Service probably loses
their mind because how do you keep heads of state
safe and like materially like you know, so I get it,
but it does it have to be as opulent. It

(10:56):
looks like like a casino. It doesn't look like it
should be, you know, attached to the White House. It
would be smaller.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
He's well, he's orange and guardy, so of course he's
going to work Golden guardy. And I'm like, what is
he need dance hall for a bill so he can
do Milk the Cow because that's his dance. Look when
I say milk the cow, he has milked that cow
because he is suing everybody and they're paying him from
from A from CBS to to to this person to that,

(11:25):
and they are paying him by and he is making
money Like I'm like, well, how much.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
Damn buddy, do you have to have? Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
They just oh boby YouTube. His YouTube settlement is supposed
to go towards it. That's what he says when they
get the YouTube settle and why is he mad because
they took his and they settled. I can't believe they
settled because they took his platform away from him after
the riots. They should have because he was talking crazy.
Anybody should that was talking crazy. If you remember, Biden

(11:53):
got in trouble during COVID for halting some speech, and
he was he because he was trying to stop a panic,
and that sow YouTube was trying to do stop people
from panicking. Was it maybe free speech that was taken.
I don't know when you look at it. We were
during a historic and I'm not protecting Biden. For protecting Biden.
If it had been Trump, I would have said the
same thing. We had a historic pandemic and we were

(12:17):
trying people were not to remember, they were buying all
the toiletet I mean, they were doing crazy stuff. So
to take down things that would make people where the
information was changing so quickly, just like the vaccines had
to change so quickly because we were keeping up with
whatever new information was coming in by the second I
saw to get it. But this, I don't guess.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
This is macular for a many you said something, I
reb doing the pandemic. I still never got the logic.
Why don't you know to tell all the toilet paper?
What was that about?

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Who has so afraid they was gonna Yeah, there was
going to be a run. I think what people were thinking.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Of or they were going to have the runs, is
that it.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Is absolutely because well some people on COVID that was
so some people got that head cold and others got
a horrible like dysentery. But no, I think it was
more they probably figured we could make food, or you
could grow food, or remember in the beginning we had
no idea. They told us give us two weeks because
they didn't know. And then when they started looking over
at China, what was happening over there? And let's you

(13:20):
know it was it was very bad over in China.
I think that's what people. People just get nervous and
they buy the essentials like, well, you grew up in Chicago.
You no one knows this better than you. When a
snowflake was coming, when the weathermen said a snowflake was coming,
go to the grocery store. What was gone? The milk,
the eggs, the bread, Like they were not going to

(13:40):
make bread anymore, Like where were you putting the bread
out in the snow to freeze it? Like you weren't
going to be able to eat it all. But all
of the essentials are always gone. So I don't know
if it was if it was over that. But anyway,
at January, after the January riots or whatever you want
to call it, I can see them taking this platform
away until we got thing straightened ou when we found

(14:01):
out what was going on. Anyway, they're giving him twenty
three million dollars. He originally said he was building this
ballroom out of his real estate proceeds money he had made,
not money he was suing for people. Why doesn't he
take us proceeds and hand them over to each girl?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
If you don't knock it off with all them lives,
all this man does just tell us what they say untruth?
They call them untrue, they're lies. What the what do
you think that the different the price changes because the
richer you are, they're caught untruth. And when you pour
their lives, a lie is a lie where it's a
white live, black lab brown live, real yall yellow lie.

(14:39):
And so he lies to the people, but they believe
every damn things he says. So I don't even know
what it said about that they and all of this
crazy and all of this happened, all of these distractions
just because y'all will not, you will do anything not
to release those Epstein files at this point, the way

(14:59):
that they're showing us in America, even if they released
those Epstein files and his name was on there and
he did horrible shit to young women, under age girl nerds,
and I'm saying horrible with where you could hear, you
could read the allegations, and it was just the porable Bobby.
They are so blinded by his charm or whatever whatever
he has.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
I believe that they will say, Okay, yeah, it just happened.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
But I do too. That's why I don't understand why
he doesn't. His people, everybody we're not saying. Although Marjorie
Taylor Green, I don't know if she's having a midlife
crisis or she's having an epiphany. Right when she started
combing her hair, I think that she kind of she
kind of stimulated some of those some of those brain
model follicles. But she but his people, I truly believe

(15:45):
that his bass, regardless of what's in there. Unlike Prince
Prince Andrew who had to give up his title. He's
no longer the Duke of York or whatever he was,
and it vigorously denies that he had anything to do
with it. But they know to separate themselves. But his
mega folks, not necessarily the rest of the Republicans. They're

(16:05):
still going to believe. It's not gonna make a difference.
He can grab them by the pussy, he can stand
in the middle of Broadway or wherever the hell the
Wall Street or whatever the hell he said, shoot people.
He could do whatever he wants, and they still make excuses.
Do I think that that the doj I'm not. I'm
not going to say under the last administration, the people

(16:26):
that were there for the last administration kind of went
after after Trump Moore because he can't keep his mouth shut.
Even we'll talk about the papers that he had that
was surrounded by Mara Lago. Had he just been transparent
and open, that never would have happened. Just like for
Pence it was squashed and for Biden was squashed because
they cooperated. Do I think yes? But do I also
think he did everything that he was accused of?

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I think so I just think if it were anybody else,
it kind of would have won away, just like if
it was Hunter Biden, it would have would a wigh
if it wasn't wasn't him, but not enough to be
to be suing for two hundred thirty million and all
the other crazy stuff.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
That Bobby, did you just say the p word? Oh
my god, did y'all hear the White lady say the
pea work?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
You said Prince Andrew was the Prince of or the
Duke of He looked like the Duke of Pork.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Oh my god, he's so thick.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
So when he was young though, God was he had
he was a good looking him and Prince Andrew those
were the good look on.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
But those Epstein files hold a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
They may hold a lot of names, and they may
because the women that have been coming forward. If you
go and read some of the personal stories on you
you can google some of them stories. Some of the
things that were done to us underage girls was just
it was disgusting. But I'm like you, Bobby, they are
so fanatical with their support, like a call for him

(17:43):
that I'm telling you it would make a difference. I've
actually seen a man physically say on TikTok on one
of those folk platforms that Trump could shoot somebody dead
in the face and he would steal absolutely, so, you know,
And I'm like, y'all don't have daughters, y'all, don't have sisters,
y'all don't have nieces, y'all don't understand what girls could
go through, because I don't think they will care. But

(18:03):
those girls have been caught out those whole stories. So
at this point, I'm like, just releasing their files. Your
base gonna follow you anyway.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
I know.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
And I'm so it's not I'm so sick of talking
about it, flame, I'm sick of it. I mean, it
was it horrible what happened to those girls.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
It did.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
I think they're for the most part, other than the
girl you know who had killed them herself, I think
they're not over it. But I think they're ready to
move on too. Like, whatever you're gonna do, do, you're
not gonna get any money or get anything from it.
Unless you do you sue Epstein himself, you know, like,
and you might get something from that, but you're never
gonna get anything from Trump or any of the other people.

(18:39):
It's time to sort of get over it, release what
you have. Have to remember, this was supposed to be
the most transparent administration we were going to get. Meanwhile, the
out of the Pentagon, all sorts of media people left
because there were new rules that were put in. You

(18:59):
had to have everything that you talked about vetted, and
they said no way. So CNN like a whole all
of the biggies walked out of the Pentagon and they
were replaced with all of the far right wing crazy people.
So we're gonna we're gonna really everything that you read, guys,
really vetted yourself and see if you can, because plenty

(19:20):
of people, all the people that left, they were there
for twenty twenty years. Some of them they've been in
the Pentagon, I guess for over sixty years. But you're
really gonna have to vet stuff because the information that's
gonna come out of the airs or as anything with
the Department of War, We're not gonna it's gonna be
very sugarcoated, gonna be super super stito And what is
our Who does that remind you of? What country?

Speaker 5 (19:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Just like the country. I heard somebody today say that
the more they look at the plans and the more.
These plans for that ballroom are developed. They look like,
and I'm going to get the room wrong. There's some
special ballroom that's over in Russia that's attached to uh,
the Kremlin or whatever, and they where that that's what
they're being They want to make sure it's inch for
inch because remember it was going to start out sixty yards.

(20:06):
I'm making that up, everybody. I have no idea. Now
all of a sudden, because that special Russian room is
six hundred we're growing at two six hundred yards, you know,
like we're going to that same That's why the price.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
Has gone up.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
You never put an addition on a house that's bigger
than the actual house itself. It makes no sense because
then you look at it and you go which one
is the addition in which one? And everything is so
stinking gold.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Well, the best line you say, best line you said
was that makes no sense, think about the source or
who's doing it. Here we go because none of it
makes any sense, Bobby Clifford, and I mean none of it.
The crime crackdown is happening in Memphis. They have a
thousand of the rest so far. I knew Memphis had
a lot of crime going on, but so do a
lot of inner cities in this country. I hate to

(20:50):
day try to put it on anybody, any certain kind
of color, whatever, because most people who can miss a crime,
who can make crimes against each other, mostly their own nationality.
It is white on white, black on black, Asian on Asian,
you know, Latino on Latino. Those are the majority because
those are the neighborhoods you live in, so you cover
it what you see, so you will mostly commit crimes

(21:12):
in your own people that look like you. That's why
they make it such a big deal when it happens
to somebody that doesn't look like you. But I'm glad
that they are cracking down on a crime. I don't
want to I say, I'm going to say this. I
don't like the way they're doing it. I see all
these videos on social media of the police being excessive,
doing excessive force, not only with women or with men,

(21:33):
but I see them actually doing it with children, handcuffing children,
slamming them to the ground. That is just they got
the green light to go, Bobby, and they are on tin.
And it is very frightening the situation we live in.
And if you have children and if you're driving yourself
and you a personal color baby, please because I'm not
gonna even say that because I've seen them be harmful

(21:55):
Caucasian people. So right now, it just depends on what
kind of day the officer happened. It's mostly people of color,
but it just depends on what kind of date this
officer has happened.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I think it also. I think what's happening is and
I don't know this is just a Bobby Clifford guest.
I think they're ramping them up before these these uh,
before these takedowns so much that the adrenaline on these
guys and women, it's off the charts. You know, they've
got the move, We've got to do this, and these
are the goals, and you know, and look who's looking

(22:26):
at us, and look who's looking for us. So I
think that's I think that is part of what's going on.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, Bobby, and with that, I think this whole Ukraine Russia,
because he said after he went and supposed to be
a ceasefire, which they're still they're still striking, they're still
still Oh yeah, ain't no, ain't nobody stopped nothing. All
that was just for show and tale that was a
pomp of circumstance that they're still shooting that he was

(22:56):
supposed to have a meeting with Vladimir Putin, President Pudia,
which then he says, Larry Putin, cancel a meeting, will
pulled out. I don't believe that that was ever a meeting.
I think it was all underplay for the overplay, just
to appease the American people publicly.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
That's what I believe.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
But he's saying it's him, he's it didn't feel right.
He said, just as a feel right, and I don't
think we're going to get a lot out of it.
So I canceled, and I'm thinking, you didn't cancel. Putin said,
he's not good, he's not going to talk to you.
But I do. He actually is correct in saying that
he wasn't going to get what he wanted. Because he
is right. Maybe he's actually finally seeing he did on

(23:34):
their two top oil manufacturers are distributors. He puts sanctions
on them this week. Finally, we should have done that
right at the top. Remember this was this is dragon
on over nine months. He was going to have it
solved within twenty four hours. It's not that easy. If
you know, everybody would have done it was if it
was that easy. So but he is, but I mean,
we've got we've got problems. I was very disappointed to

(23:55):
see that he's not giving. He says it because it's
because of a learning curve, But he didn't give. Zelenski
came over and met with him and for the tomahawks,
and he said no, which I'm a little disappointed. I
think if they if Russia had a few tomahawks sent
their way, you know, this might be over quicker.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
I mean, it's just this wars is my philosophy on
World Wars stupid because there's always innocent people, Okay.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Lose collateral damage.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
Like these boats speak.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I was about to go segue right into the speaking
of collateral damage. They are just shooting both over in
that area. And these are not even both with drugs.
These are some of these that are just fixing out,
making them live it.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
He thinks it's legal though, flame He says he does
feel that the US even though it's international waters, And
I'm like, really, did you hear what you just said
international water because they're drug boats and he says, you know,
they do have guys that are fishing off them. But
they have five engines. This is not a press conference.
I heard him saying this, and I'm thinking his people
have to stop them. I I don't know if this

(25:01):
is what they're selling him, but they've got somebody has
got to clear. You know, we'll end up in a war.
Wars are stupid, and well we're gonna end up on one.
Columbia's pissed. We already stopped our humanitarian age to them,
and now we're we're shooting everything out of the out
of the seas, including two of their people that they
said actually were only fishermen.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, it is uh my bears think of that by
and that just because because they can get away with
I think a lot of this is I'm just going
to push the envelope until I see.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
How far I can push it.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
I don't want to see when somebody decides to swing,
because the pegdulum swings back, and he is pushing the pendulum.
Butty to the limits with that.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
With our enemies, but even with you just said it,
You just said it, it's the truth. He he That
is his personality though, and I'm not making excuses for him.
He is a disruptor. He is going to and everything.
He's going to push and see what he can get it.
He did in business we talked about, you know, I
think goes back in the nineties when he was building
one of his buildings and he brought people from another

(26:06):
country over and then ended up not he climbed bankruptcy
and they didn't get paid and they couldn't get home.
But he wanted to see if he'd get away with it.
I bet if he was pushed and told that he
had to at least pay passage, he would have done it.
But because he wasn't forced to, he just wants to see.
That's sort of he wants to always test the guidelines
and maybe historically somebody will look back one hundred years
from now and say that's the way to go. But

(26:29):
that's not the way we do things here. I'm used
to I'm used to people being statesmen and getting along
and working together, and I'm not used to this type
of administration. I don't care for it. And it's not
because it's Republican. It's a personality thing.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
I am at the point of throw away all the administrator,
throw away all the government, and re said it's all.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Just with both sets. I get I'm missed with ours too.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yeah, he's gage to me.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
I do think that when if we ever did anything,
that you'd be a cap an age limit and a
time limit, sitting in a position for sixty years. We
watching you follow the part, we watching you stumble, we
watching you freeze, and mis bakhon, Yeah, it's been time
to go.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
No, I agree. I think, well, maybe I'm going to
add something onto that, not just an age limit, because
there are people that age very differently. But Bernie Sanders
is as sharp as attack right now as he was
he was when he was forty. But I think that
you have to have certain accomplishments. You can't come in
and put your your awes in a seat if you're

(27:35):
not going to do anything. And I'm going to go
back to even a lot of the names we've just
mentioned in this podcast today. You know it's Marjorie Taylor Green.
What have you actually done? And not just her? There
are plenty of people other than right now her kind
of speaking out. But you should have to have a
set of accomplishments. What have you done for your people?
Like right now, I am so pissed we're in day
twenty three. Maybe it's twenty four because twenty was on Monday,

(27:58):
Tuesday twenty one, No twenty three and the government shutdown.
What are the people We've hired them to fill seats?
They have not because they are not they are not
in house, they have not they have not sworn in
that Arizona congresswoman, so she's not doing anything for her
people in Arizona and they're all closed down. Am I

(28:20):
do I understand where the Democrats are coming from as
far as wanting to have subsidies for the healthcare, I do.
I don't like the finger pointing both ways. Each one
says like, if you speak to anybody on the GOP side,
it is the Democrats side. If you speak with the Democrats,
it's but why can't you sit down? I don't think
it's as far as maybe you don't come to an

(28:40):
actual agreement. But I do think and I think Trump
should be involved as the president. I do think you
sit at least in a room and start to have
a conversation, not thirty seconds at the end of another meeting,
but in actual conversation about what the subsidies are. Do
I think that people who are making three four hundred

(29:01):
thousand dollars shit should be able to have the subsidies.
Maybe not, maybe they have to pay the full freight.
But people who are making under one hundred thousand, I
don't know, have it back and forth, have a have something?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Do you not have a com You can't have a
conversation When the kids won't play well in a sandbox,
the Republicans will not come to the table. Mike Johnson,
bitch has released all of them just to go run
a muck. So you can't eat with yourself. So no,
you can't win when you don't have nothing to fight.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Well, they don't even have to have Johnson there, like
if you have grown ups actually growing.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Up, they don't even have Well, as long as my
Johnny doesn't call them back into the chambers, they don't
have to come.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
It's too because he had that.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
You just said it, yeah, but you're right, so they don't.
You just said something has to come. But they could come.
They could say, I want to represent so I live
in Massachusetts. I want to represent the people of Massachusetts.
You want to help support your people in California. Let's
sit down and just have a conversation and see what
we can get done here. I don't care if you
do it at a steakhouse, but have some sort of

(30:00):
conversation and work together. You and I grew up with
with such statesmen. You know, we've talked about a million
times where they did battle and drew blood on the floor,
and then they all went out for a drink after
or went out for dinner and kind of hashed things out.
So when they when they were in for the vote,
you know, I was going to vote on your whatever,
and you were, even though it's not what I wanted,

(30:21):
and you were gonna you would make a concession of
vote on my whatever, and then people would actually win.
So maybe maybe go back to six six because they're
getting a paycheck and and get some work done, and
you should they should feel guilty. This is like the
layoff like me, but they're actually getting paid their full
salary and their full benefits. This is bullshit. Don't maybe

(30:45):
say the biscuit word.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Oh lord, please don't group probably only don't don't revisit
the biscuits.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Please ride it. Yeah it is. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I don't And that's that's why I feel like most
Americans wake up every day like I don't know, Because
you don't know every day is I don't know. America
has never been like this in my lifetime.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
I know.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
I hope it never is again.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't And because we if we have one, because
I don't know, you know, we are so unshue of
everything that's going on in this America because they are
letting somebody who clearly write in your face, is doing
things that is not only illegal according to so many
paperwork or constitution and documents, but you act like you're
afraid to speak up because like you got something on

(31:28):
you and Trump Mu's got some on everybody. Because when
I tell you, they like roaches when you turn the
light on in the kitchen, then like they all scattered
when you walk in the room.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
I don't know what that power is, but it is
whoa Jesus. You know what I would like to get
you by. I like to get to fan the flame
real quick.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Well then we can end with that. Even you you
fan it all you want. I don't know the subject,
so I'm going to count on you.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Well, this is me.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
This is my personal synopsis of sand the flame from
a black person's suspective in this under all the racism
that we're living through right now, speaking about Stephen A. Smith,
who is an ESPN commentator who went hard who goes
hard in on his own people. He went hard in
on Michelle Obama, first Lady Michelle Obama, and recently he

(32:16):
went hard in on Congresswoman Jasmine Crofield, who right now
is the bulldog of politics to me, and we damn
show needed is coming from the Democratic Party. But he
is so dis disparaging as a black man to see
him discredit a black woman, you were a black man
from a black woman. And it's not even about the
race car, it is about the respect car. She has

(32:37):
worked hard to get to the position that she's in,
just like Michelle Obama. Did you know she kept her
head high, She carried herself like as you would say,
as a dignitary, as a states woman when she was
in that position of power. And for you to sit
your rooty poodass on your platform where you have a
huge platform because ESPN pays you say everything they want
you to say that, but you can't attack a certain

(32:59):
group of people people, you know, he showed his cowardice
when Lebron James stood up face to face with him
on the court. Although Lebron did not physically attack him.
You could see he stood there because he knew the
cameras were watching. But the apologies and the excuse ass,
Oh yeah, I didn't mean it like that. It is

(33:19):
so disparaging as a person with a penois that you
can walk around with no pride, no dignity for your people,
just for a check when I tell you to sell
out his real Bobby. Now recently he went back and
made a his sass apology because he got so much backlass,
especially from the black community. But I'm gonna tell you

(33:40):
just what you do. You turn your back on him,
You turn your back on him, and I promise you
his shit. He will change his tone because he has
tap dance for the Master for quite some time, and
he is more than an Ocebobby And it just hurts
to see that, Which is why I think that when
people outside of our culture, outside of our race, see
that we destroy each other, they feel like they get

(34:01):
a pants where y'all do it to jail so we
could do it too. He is a prime example of
that to me. And I don't give dunk the other day,
but I'll give asshole of the years to Stephen A.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Smith. Okay, that was my fan.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Of Plank, so I see him. So I'm gonna give
it to a from a white woman's perspective. I don't
know him.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Are you sure you a white woman?

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I am. I'm gonna say it to my best Boston accent.
I am a super super white woman. I see him
on on News Nation. Uh, Chris Cuomo has him on
a lot with Bill O'Reilly, So he's sort of the
Democratic voice. Uh, Chris is the Independent, and Bill obviously
is the is the Republican. I see him be fair.

(34:42):
I've never heard him say anything about Jasmine Crockett, so
I can't. Now I'm googled and like googling it. When
we're off, I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to whatever he said.
I don't find him. No, I don't know anything about
Lebron James or any of that either, because I don't
follow the bus at the base the basketball look at
I almost called to the baseball. So I'm gonna I'm
going to have my ears parked up and I'm going
to kind of listen to what he's saying. I don't

(35:05):
know if he's what you started to say is, and
I wonder if he just doesn't I'm not going to
say identify if he's not speaking for if he speaks
for the collective, and he doesn't think of his own
race first, and I'm wondering, you know, I don't know.
Now I'm going to see if I can be in
tune to it, because I just haven't really paid attention
to it all that much. I am amazed at how

(35:26):
knowledgeable he is for an athlete. You know, I don't
And that's probably awful of me to say. I don't
think of athletes really getting into the politics and you know,
in world events and all of that stuff. And he
certainly has his finger on the pulse. So you made
me aware of something you're not going to pay attention.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
No, No, he's not an athlete. And at the level
that he that, I'm sure he has ten thousand writers, working,
producers doing everything. So please don't make it like he's
the smartest and the most knowledgeable all the work, you know,
kind of like you do all the work over here
and I just show up. He got people doing the work,
and so that that that's a that's a that's an

(36:04):
easy past. It is not that it is that there
is no pride in who he is as a man.
It shows to me it looks on the out and
I know you on the houseide looking in. But it's
so disparaging to think up a black man sitting that
high with a position of power, speaking so reckless about
his own people, especially a black woman it speaking. And
he's unmarried, which which is not a surprise.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Was he ever married, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
But if she got away, good for her.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
So yeah, I just I think he was just I
think it was just uncalled for. It was so tacky
and he's spoken its great professional and he's making all
this money, make the money, but do you In the
scripture it says, for what does the profit of the
man to gain the whole world? To lose his soul?
His soul is completely gone. He could be the richest

(36:52):
man on the planet. And it pours. At the same time,
we got another one in, We got another one them
sitting in the White House.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Now I have to go. Let's because I don't know.
I don't think any of us should tear us up
in order to make you elevate yourself, should tear people down.
You might say no, you know you don't agree with them,
or sometimes you just keep your mouth shut, especially if
it's somebody that's trying to elevate other people, you know,
maybe just not pointed out or deflect to speak to it.
I'm gonna have to go look and see what he did. Now, Now, Nosy,

(37:22):
where are you? You're going back? You're going back on tour?
Aren't you not to interrupt?

Speaker 4 (37:26):
You?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Looking yesterday? Am I leave out back on the road.
I will be in Biluxi, Mississippi on November the eighth
with Tivinany Hattish Tour Tiffany Hattish Funny Fields Too, and
November the ninth, we will be in Birmingham and Alabama. Monday,
November three, I'll be in Atlanta and Lives Atlanta the
Restaurant and Show Barb. I'm hosting my own show there
from fave to nine. It's a battle. It's gonna be

(37:47):
a great show. Some surprise guests. Get your tickets on
EVN Bright and I do got a new YIG, a
new R and B tour coming up. But we're talking
about Oh. As the time goes on, I'll tell you
guys all about it. Thank you guys for the support,
thank you guys for sharing. Left learn We're about to
guard oners some new fans because I'm going to Mississippi
and I'm going to Alabama, and I always talk about
me and Bobby on Laugh and Learning, so we always

(38:07):
get new supporters. We actually to share with your free
ads and your family because politics is politics. As you
can see, it ain't changing, if anything, is getting more dangerous.
But you can follow me on all social media platforms
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Speaker 1 (38:25):
And Learn podcasts on Instagram, Clifford Bobby on Instagram, on
Facebook and TikTok. I am Bobby Clifford, and I'd like
to also mention just keep calling your congresswoman, keep calling
your congressmen and your senators, and especially if you're a Democrat,
because what I'm still not hearing, and I don't know

(38:46):
if you are flame, is there's a lot of finger
pointing on both sides, but I don't hear anybody coming
up with an actual direct plan. So so and so
is awful. Okay, So how are you going to make
it better?

Speaker 5 (38:56):
What is you?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
What are your ideas? Let's start demanding the ideas because
the mid terms are around the corner and if they
don't have I have stuff sketched out. We weren't going
to be nowhere. Yeah, well we'll have a ballroom on
the other side of the of the or a basketball
court in the front of the in front of the
White House.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Next.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
We're going to make some changes.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
And as always moved to do as updated as we
can over here on the Laugh and Learned podcast. Please
download us on Black Effect I heart Spotify, Apple, Amazon
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Speaker 5 (39:29):
Thank you so much. The model has not changed and
we will not change. Here are left a learned.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
We are not trying to get you to change your mind.
We are only trying to get you to use your
mind because why Bobby, Because.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Your mind and your vote are a terrible thing to waste.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
You gin of your vote. Mid terms is coming real fast, y'all.
You know they're trying to make sure you are registered
and ready to go, because I'm telling you right now,
all that marching for No kings was cute. March your
ass to the polls. Yeah, make sure that we get
friends and to make sure we get our country back.
This is flame mo row that is Bobby Clifford. This
is Black Effect, This is Laugh and Learn, and we

(40:05):
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Speaker 4 (40:10):
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