October 26, 2025 • 50 mins
Host Jeremy Odem is BACK with a REWIND episode of the chart topping, world wide sensation, Laugh with Me Podcast! This week we look back to when Jeremy welcomed the Tiger King, Joe Exotic! Joe Exotic called into Laugh with Me from the Federal Medical Center in Fort Worth, Texas where Joe is serving a 21 year sentence. We also have the recap episode that came later that week when Jeremy and his brother, Kyle Odem, broke down all things Tiger King.
Joseph Allen Maldonado, is known professionally as "Joe Exotic" and "The Tiger King". Exotic is an established American media personality, businessman, former Chief of Police, magician, musical, model, actor, minister, politician, and world-renowned animal expert. Nominated for Emmy Awards in 2020 in America and four awards in Britain, Joe Exotic also won the Social Media Superstar Award in 2021. Find out more about Joe Exotic on his website joeexoticofficial.com
In this episode:
-Update on Joe's Pardon attempts
-Tiger King on Netflix
-Does Joe know he's a pop culture icon?
-Movie offers?
-Music career update
-Find love in Prison
-Thoughts on Doc Antle's prison sentence
-Kyle and JO break down the Joe Exotic interview
-Telling Joe he's been in prison for 2,503 days isn't appropriate to start the interview?
-Is Joe's Washington contacts any good?
-Joe Exotic wrote a book
-Any hope moving forward for Exotic?-AND SO MUCH MORE
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome back. This is Laugh with Me at podcast with
Jerey Ode. I'm your O, j O. And this is
a very special rewind edition of Laugh with Me the Podcast.
This is where we take some of our greatest moments
(00:37):
and we bring it. We bring it back. We want
to put it front and center. Maybe you missed it, Uh,
maybe you missed out on our major announcement that we
put out there on our socials this week, which is
we are joining iHeartRadio. So that being said, Johnny, we're
(01:03):
gonna have a whole new audience listening to us. So
we're gonna put We're gonna put out in front of
the people some things that you catch you up on.
What is exactly laugh with Me. Let's start with the
man behind the ones and twos that is Johnny Palermo.
Are esteemed producer, not a joke. He's very good at
(01:25):
what he does. He's been with us from the get
and then the man behind the mic himself, that's me.
I'm j O and Uh. We've been doing this for
a few years now. You can find us at the
tippy top of the iTunes comedy show podcast charts, but
you're here on iHeartRadio listening listening to the pod, and uh,
(01:52):
maybe you missed out that we had a very special
guest call us this past July from prison, the Tiger
King himself, Joe Exag. He called in just to kind
of update us on where he's at with his part
in which from all accounts shows, it disappears that there's
(02:13):
been no ground made on this. It does not appear
outside of the President has mentioned his name. We have
heard that he knows of the attempts for the pardon.
We do know this, and we know that there are
a lot of people and you'll hear about it in
the phone call, but there are some people in Washington
(02:34):
that have his back that are trying to get his
name in front of the President, and it does appear
that has happened, but pardon, full clemency, nothing like that
has happened quite yet. So he is still in prison
and actually quite ill, but he's working on a lot
of projects. And he gave us all the time that
(02:55):
he had, which I think, if I remember correctly, it
was thirteen fifteen minutes something like that that he was
able to make a phone call. So we are gonna
hear the full interview there with Joe Exotic you remember
him from The Tiger King the Smash Show on Netflix
from twenty twenty. And then just a few days later
(03:16):
on the Friday Happy Hour, my brother Kyle, he called
in to laugh with Me and we broke it all down.
We discussed the interview and gave some thoughts as well.
So you're gonna hear it all in one episode here
and again. This is a special rewind. This is specifically
for you iHeart Okay. This one is for all of
(03:37):
you new iHeart radio listeners that maybe aren't as familiar
with Laugh with Me. We're coming, I mean, we we're coming, okay,
and we've got the Tiger King with us. Fuck Carol Basket,
you know, you know Johnny with how further Ado? Here
(04:01):
is the Tiger Key calling in from prison, Joe Exotic.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Here we go. Hello.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at
any time. To accept this call, press five to block
this call, and all you may begin speaking now hear me?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Hello, Joe?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
How are you doing?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Sir? Man?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I appreciate your time and coming on Laugh with Me today.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Well, I appreciate you having men. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I just saw on your Instagram today's day two thousand
and five hundred and three of being wrongly imprisoned. Today
I just saw on Instagram today's two thousand and five
hundred and three of you being wrongly imprisoned. Oh there, yeah,
that's U days. That's crazy. I know you're you're working
(05:04):
on the part in and getting that just kind of
out there and hopefully in front of the president. Like
where are we at on that?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Well, you know, it's it's hard to tell because you know,
everybody thought it was going to happen in twenty twenty
and it didn't. So who knows what he's going to
do when he's going to do it. But last I
heard it was about a week ago. Left. I heard
it was supposed to happen sometime in the next three
to five weeks. But who knows.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Wow, So what's that process like? Is that something like paperwork?
You file and then you just you don't get updates.
You just kind of hope and wait.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Let's see, I had I had a pardon application filed
in his first term. And see, every time a president
leaves office, they deny them all, okay, So then I
had to file one for Biden and then on January
the twentieth the day year that one got denied, so
(06:02):
I had to file it again. So now I've got
another one in the US parton the Attorney's office, and uh,
it's it's just a matter of who he picks and chooses. Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So then do you have like some champions in Washington,
like anybody who's a fan of yours? And then is
maybe you know, I have.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
A Congresswoman Lauren Bobert that's out there stomping the pavement
for me. And I've got Congressman Eric Burwison, Joe Rogan,
Bayla White, Matt Gates, I've got, I've got, I got
some of the biggest names there is, you know, out
(06:46):
there shooting for this. But you know, you know how
Trump is. He'll do what he wants when he wants.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh absolutely, But you've got his favorites. I mean, you've
got the folks that's got his ear.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, and and the people that I have been you know,
telling me that it's coming our direct friends of Donald juniors.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So okay, yeah, I don't know if you remember the
movie Beatle Juice, but I know Lauren Bolbert's a big
fan of Beetlejuice. Oh yeah, yeah, you'll have to if
you ever get an opportunity to talk to her, ask
about beatle juice. Okay, Uh, do you think it's possible
that Trump knows about this and that he's just waiting
(07:30):
to use this as like a distraction and it's going
to help you, but it's gonna be used to distract
from something else.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Well, I know for a fact he knows about this
because he was confronted by Steve Steve Nelson from the
New York Post during a live White House briefing. So
Trump instead in my name and and then TMZ called
out Alice Johnson the other day on RULD television about
(07:59):
whether or not she's gonna recommend my pardon. So they
know me, they know who I am. Yeah, you know
that's what everybody says. He'll use it when he needs
to use it, you know, but right now, his best
opportunity to use it would be now to kind of
distract a little bit away from the Epstein stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, he could use the distraction for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, because you know, you know, when you when you
got Dan Bongino upset with you and Ash Patail upset
with you, that's telling the world that you're hiding something.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Hey, let's get you on the record right now that
you are not on the Epstein list.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Now, I don't even know. I didn't even know who
Epstein was until all of this hit the news. Well,
now whether or not Jeff Lowe is on the Epstein list,
and that could that could be possible, that could.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Be possible that that'd be what put him down for good. Yeah, well,
it'd be hard for Trump now to know who you were.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
In twenty twenty, Tiger King came out of Netflix. Thirty
four million people watched it in its first ten days
of release. Right you, unfortunately were in prison for all
of it. What do you even have a grasp of
like your stamp on pop culture? No, not at all, man.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah. The only the only thing that that I'm saying
out in the world is when I came back from
from North Carolina doing uh cancer treatment. They flew me
to Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And then they this call was from a federal prison.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
They drove me in an unmarked police car, uh you know,
down to Fort Worth and I was sitting in the
back seat, you know, and they were they didn't handcuff
me or anything, and I was just sitting on the
back feet of this this white car, and one out
of three cars that passed and slowed down and took
pictures way bright and it didn't matter if they were
(10:00):
eighteen or eighty. Uh. It was crazy how people recognize.
So I was sitting in the vacseat of a car.
What So it's going to be kind of if I'm
making out of here alive, it's going to be kind
of crazy because you know, I've never been prepared for
this kind of notoriety.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well no, and it's hard to even accliment yourself back
into society anyways, and you're going to come out of
out of it one of the most popular people in America,
you know.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
You know, though, I wish President Trump would understand the
fact that when I, you know, before I this all happened,
you know, my my big thing was fixing little kids
faces with operations smile. That was that was my favorite fundraiser. Wow,
and fading the homeless, Okay, And I just wish he
(10:51):
would understand that. If he would, he would be honorable
enough to just let me go home the platform that
I do have out there, the amazing things I could
do to fix more little kids' faces and take care
of more homeless people would be phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, yeah, you'll have the opportunity to do ten x
one hundred x times better, you know, good than what
you have before.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So, now you've been in your your ultra popular in America,
do you get like offers? I mean, is there been
movie offers? I mean, I guess there's got to be
people wanting to tell your story even further.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Well, I have I have three good movie offers on
the table now, but nobody wants to do anything. And
left him out. Okay, you know because because Tiger King
was filmed while I was in prison. Okay, I didn't
film for Tiger King, all right. They took all of
my footage that I was filming for my reality show
(11:54):
and used it without me knowing it. I never saw
Tiger King until about six months ago.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Holy cow. So wow, I guess I didn't realize that
all that was after you'd already been put in prison.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
I thought, Yeah, I was arrested in September seventh of
twenty eighteen, and they filmed that through eighteen nineteen and
early twenty.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So all those interviews and all the testimonials from your
staff and your family and friends, that was all after
you were already put in prison.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
That was all after I was already putting in prison,
and the producer Eric Good of Tiger King paid. We
have videos of him now paying them very large sums
to cash to talk shit about me and make that show.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, holy cow, so you were It's.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Pretty sad I didn't get a dime from Tiger Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I was gonna say you didn't get paid at all?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Then? No?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
None.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So do you own the name Tiger King?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Then I do own in the trademark, But it takes
money to hire lawyers to sue anybody. You know what
I'm saying right, That's why everybody, everybody on the internet
is selling Joe exotic stuff and there a damn thing
I can do because I'm broke.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Oh man, what about the music? I mean you your
music came out before prison. Have you were you able to?
I guess I'm sure more people were streaming your music.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I do get some royalties from my music now. But
see what happened while I was in prison is instead
of Tiger King, the people on Netflix doing the right
thing and working with me to do everything, they've done
everything the cheap way, and they got some clown out
(13:38):
there named Vince Johnson to claim that the music was his,
so they paid him, and then it took me three
years to sue him. I just got done last March
in Florida, suing him because I finally found a lawyer
that would do it pro bono and I took him
to court and won a judgment. You know. So now
(13:59):
I've got a court order proven that the music is mine.
But you still have to soon Netflich. You have to
see the producers and health. BBC even has copyrighted some
of my music. Everybody, everybody has taken advantage of Joe
being in a in prison and not being able to.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Fight for myself once you're out.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Oh you bet, you bet, you bet? Yeah, yeah, I'm
going to keep some lawyers fully.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Employed, so they were the past.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
It's from a federal prison.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Over the past six years or so, have you been
writing new music?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Like?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Is that on your radar?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Two? I you know I have. I kind of had
a bad mind blocked there for a while. Yeah, uh
that you know, I've got married and you know, he
got out of prison and he got deported to Mexico. So, uh,
my music writing capabilities have came back, you know, politicip
(15:00):
RACI anxiety, I guess, yeah, but I've I have wrote
some uh and you know, and I'm not gonna lie
see anybody. Uh my people, my my girls out in
the world. I send them the songs and then I
guess there's a very awesome music AI program out there,
(15:22):
yep that has put the words in the sound to
it until I get out so I can sing of myself.
But yeah, they're they're apparently all on iTunes.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
The uh AI abilities right now are insane.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Like it's pretty scary.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It's very scary.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
TV that they've showed on TV of what people are
making Trump too, pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Uh have you performed at all, like for your for
your fellow inmates or the guards or anything. No, no, no, yeah,
I don't blame you. So you remarried and you said
he got out and then was was he immediately deported?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
He was? He got out on May the seventeenth. He
was supposed to have a detention hearing on the nineteenth,
and the US government picked him up on the seventeenth,
and they dumped him in Mexico on the eighteenth, and
he didn't even get a good to his hearing.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Holy cow, man, Well, you're you're certainly one of like
the rare people that have ever found love like that
in prison.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I would have to imagine, you know, it's it happens.
You know, you can't pick when, where and who and
why when it happens. But he's amazing, and I can't
wait to get out. I intend on going to Mexico.
And you know, just like I've I've had in the
(16:49):
press several times. Trump, let me out of here so
I can go to work and buy one of your
five million dollar gold cards so I can bring him
back to America.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Your fellow castmate on Tiger Tiger King, Doc Annial, he
was just sentenced to a year in prison.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
It's pretty pretty crazy, is it.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Would you call that karma? It's just kind of a
matter of time for him?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Well, I would, I would call it. I mean, not
not as much karma as you know. Uh. I'm ashamed
of the government of you know, because he muggled and
trafficked human beings, okay, in order to pay for those
expensive animals to make a living and live like he lives.
(17:41):
And and that just goes to show you that the
United States government, they want to bitch about all the
illegal immigrants in here and the trafficking and everything, but
they just showed an example of a man that was
smuggling human beings to profit for himself. Only got a
year and Joey exonicas in here for twenty one. Right, okay,
(18:06):
so so go figure that out.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Oh so before, long long before, years and years ago,
when you were taking your zoo on the road for
like petting zoos and showcases and whatnot, Right, did you
ever come through Nebraska?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I did many times, many times. We did some shows
in North Platte, Uh, Nebraska. God, yeah, we did a
lot in Nebraska.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, I'm I'm I live in Omaha, Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And I was just very curious. I thought that would
have been a pretty cool show, if you know, if
that ever came through.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
But you know, I did. I did my magic show
on the road in front of probably a total of
four or five million people. And uh and I still
get letters from people that weren't I show eighteen twenty
years ago that were little kids that are growing to
hand their own family. Now, Hey, Jeremy, this thing is
(19:06):
gonna hang out any second, because it just beats. I
want to thank you so much for having me kill
everybody to get on joey'soniccofficial dot com. Look at the evidence,
do some shopping. Help me out because the lawyer bills
are stacking up. But Hill, somebody out there. I send
my love, George sends his love, and.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
There we go, Joe exotic.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That was fun.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He seems like he's in good spirits. Honestly, doesn't he
sound like he was in good spirits?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Johnny?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I mean, he sounded like a guy that he obviously
has been long enough. He kind of gets the deal.
He's acclimated. But he's fighting, you know, he's fighting. It's
crazy to me that he was talking about he has
no idea just how popular he is. I mean, it's
(20:00):
you know, I've had family. You know, they're inside, they
come out and it's you know, it's different. You gotta
get used to being around people again, being able to
just kind of move around. Oh, that would be so hard.
And then he's gonna have the whole world wanting to
talk to him, you know. And he's a showman, right,
he was a showman for many, many years, even before
(20:23):
any of any of this. Right, he's used to that,
He's used to talking in front of people. And being
on stage and being the center of attention. But it's
been so long and so secluded for so long. I
did want to ask him about his health. I mean,
he did mention that he was in for cancer treatment
in North Carolina. Yeah, I know, that's one of his
(20:45):
biggest fears. I've read in press clippings that one of
his biggest fears he's gonna die in prison before his
sentence ends. And he just wants to do good out
in the world. Man, Joe Exotic, that was exciting. We
had the Tiger King here on laugh with me, Johnny,
good job. I just want to tell you publicly, you
did good, buddy. But yeah, you heard him. You can go.
(21:06):
You can find his instagram, Joe Underscore Exotic, all kinds
of stuff on there, and then Joe Exotic Official dot com.
It sounds like that's the website, so let's actually let me,
let's Johnny, let's pull that up so that we know
we got it right and Joe, Yeah, Joe Exotic Official
(21:31):
dot com and uh, you can know exactly what's going
on with the case. It looks very updated. It looks
like we're getting new FBI information on there. Any and
basically anything you would need to know about Joe. Oh, well, wow,
(21:52):
we got we can shop all kinds of stuff here
to help him out. Boy, the Joe Exotic underwear, that
might be what I what I get. I want to
help my guy out, Joe. If you listen to the episode,
thank you so much for coming on the show, and
you're welcome back anytime before or after you get out.
(22:15):
This is exciting, Johnny, Johnny, Joe Exotic, do not go anywhere.
We're not going anywhere. Okay, we might be done with
the Tiger King, but we're gonna break it all down.
Kyle's about to call in and discuss all things Joe Exotic.
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that's why I told my family. First first thing, I
first thing, if you remember, like, because I know you've
listened to the episode, and I thought, and I just
saw it literally seconds before he called. I saw on
his Instagram it said day two thousand, five hundred and
(25:35):
three of being wrongly imprisoned, and I thought, okay, well
this is it's on his Instagram. I don't think he's
running the Instagram, like I don't you know, I and
I he kind of made that clear because he had
no idea what I was talking about. But it is
clearly but it is his official Instagram, And I thought,
what a way to kick off the conversation with You've
(25:58):
been in prison for two thousand and five hundred three days.
In hindsight, that sucks, right, Like why if you're.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Wants to hear that, thanks for reminding me.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
If you've been in prison for twenty five hundred days,
you probably don't want to be reminded of just how
long you've been in there.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
No, He's like, yeah, and it's been awful everything on
one of them.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Thanks Jeremy Glad. I called you.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I know, I felt so bad. I instantly was like,
that was a mistake, little way to kick this off.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I got the vibes that he didn't even know what
Instagram was. He was like, oh, that what they put
up there.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yep, all right, well I guess I've been in here.
I don't know it till you.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
That's fair because he was picked up in twenty eighteen,
and who knows. I mean, I'm sure he didn't even
have an Instagram then, so, you know, he obviously was
on top of some things online because he had an
online TV show, you know.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
He did, he was on the internet, but his choice
hold on his own thing. Yeah maybe all right, So remember, no,
I never heard this guy until Netflix.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Okay, I know so and me too, like I've and
much like probably most of the people in the world
had never heard this guy until twenty twenty when the
Netflix show came out, but it locally, you know, in
his like in his world, he had his online show
(27:31):
where he would read Carol Baskin's diary and and update
people on what they kind of documented a little bit
of that.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Back.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, so he's he wasn't unfamiliar with the Internet, and
he wasn't unfamiliar with like memes and and things in
that you know sense. But he probably has no I mean,
he even said he has no clue how big he is.
But he has no clue the like the world of
social media today and just kind of how it wraps
are our world.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know, Yeah, no idea, but here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
So he made a big impact, right that was the
whole thing. Whole world's talking about it. Yeah, but now
it's gone.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Right, But he's like, okay, listen to him.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
He's like, yeah, when I get out of here, I'm
gonna buy one of them. Okay, let me back up.
He's like, I got no money to see these people.
I got no money to do any of this, right right.
And then he's like, when I get out.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I'm buying one of them Trump.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Five million dollar gold cards so I can move my
husband to America. It's like, homie, you have five dollars, Like,
where are you getting this five million dollars?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So that goes back to like I was telling him,
you know, it's like, dude, thirty four million people watched
The Tiger King on Netflix in the first ten days
of release, and they had a season two. How many
documentaries do you know get a season two and a
season three?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So on there's a season three.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, it's not really about him, it's about it's about
that guy doc Annel that that just got sentenced to
a year in prison for animal trafficking and he's in
you know, the first two seasons. But it's more about
like his world. But still the brand itself. Oh yeah,
he hates all those people. But but yeah, like I
(29:16):
think he's banking on I get out of prison. I
have incredible value to my name, or at least he
believes he does, to the point that he can sell,
you know, certain rights to stories. Or he says he's
got three awesome movie deals right now on the table,
(29:39):
but he needs to be out in order to make
this deal work.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, but he's not out. So he's been in there
for how long do we say.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
So he's been in the years? Yeah, more than that.
He's been in since twenty eighteen. He's on a twenty
one year sentence.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
How far back is twenty five hundred days? Okay, so
twenty eighteen. So you got a while, guy, like, what
do you Who's this is wild? He's gonna, yeah, We're
gonna make a movie when I'm eighty.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't know, man, Well, playing is kind of a whack.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
That's if you're basing it on. He's gonna service twenty
one years.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Here's the thing. We've got the pardon situation on the table,
where he feels that he was wrongly accused, that there's
a lot of evidence out there now where the witnesses
are backtracking the things that they said in Core or
on the record, and that the president is going to
give him a full pardon and he's gonna be out.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yeah. Well, first of all, that was one of my
favorite parts of the thing.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I feel like.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
He here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
He thinks that he's innocent.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Like, if you watched that thing, you know his feelings
on Caroll Basket.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
He straight up is hiring folks to kill her.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Yeah, Sayaly, He's like, he's like, yeah, I'm gonna get pardoned.
Proceeds to name off the worst folks in the world
and he's like, yeah, they're.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Gonna get me out of here. It's like, dude, you
are what is happening right now? What is happening?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
He does have like the ear of the Core people
that you would think of when you when you think maga,
you know, do.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
You think that's real though? Do you think like people
are actually like those people? Do you think they're like,
we got to get the tiger king out. That's just
what this comes down to.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Well, it's tough. Who knows who knows how like active
they actually are in you know, you only get the
president's ear for what seconds probably if you do, you know, yeah,
and then is Joe Exotic the name that comes up
when you do have his ear, But they definitely get
asked about it, Like you can find press clippings of
(31:46):
you know, the press asking these very people about Joe Exotic,
and they are certainly aware of what's going on, but
that doesn't mean that they're actually actively you know, working
on the behalf of the Tiger King to get him
a pardon.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
No, and are they asking that in the year of
our Lord twenty twenty five, right, maybe twenty twenty maybe
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Did you catch my beeal juice joke?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I was like lost on the bild, like I don't
know anything about it. Okay, you were like, you're like,
she really likes beal juice, and he did. It was
now he was like, okay, I get paid.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I did not think he would get the joke, so
it wasn't necessary. It wasn't for him. It was for
the audience. But so Lauren Bobert she a couple of
years ago, she was on a first date and she
went to see Beetlejuice the musical, and she may or
(32:47):
may not have been caught doing something inappropriate to her
first date while she was watching the show.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Now that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yeah yeah, all right, now knowing that and now he's
just like, Okay, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah so man, that's uh yeah, So that's I never
thought he would get it because you know, he's probably
the amount of information he gets, I mean it's very minimal, right,
I would think.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
So, I don't know, we got to do an investigative.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
How do they get?
Speaker 5 (33:23):
How much TV can they watch to day? How can
they how much can they read? What's going on in there?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
That's a good question. I mean, he wrote his book.
He has a book. I didn't talk about the book
on the pod, but he does have a book out,
and what do you do?
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Well?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I just I knew I had limited time. So that's
the other thing. I didn't know how much time I
was going to have with him. I just knew I
had until they cut us off. So it ended up
being fifteen minutes. I didn't know I had fifteen minutes.
I thought I could have seven, I could have eight, Like,
I didn't know, right, I just knew it wasn't going
to be a lot. So I had a list of questions.
(33:58):
I wanted to get to his and as I could,
I wanted to ask follow ups where appropriate, But I
also knew I had limited time, so the music, to
me was more important to talk about than the book.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, you turned to the music. What's that all about?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Have you you? His music is a big part of
the of the documentary Tiger King. Yeah, So I was
just so interested of is he writing more music? Is
this something he wants to do outside when he gets out?
Is this something he performs inside for his for I
almost said classmates, for his for his inmates, like for
(34:36):
maybe for the prisoners, Like is this something he's doing
and he's entertaining the masses inside? I mean it sounds
like that is a hard no, but oh no, oh no, Yeah,
I just I was intrigued by it because I just
imagine sometimes, all right, it goes back to Seinfeld and
the finale, the Seinfeld finale where they end up in prison,
(34:59):
and then the very like the very last scene, Jerry's
doing stand up, you know, for that's fair for the population,
And I'm just like, do entertainers do that? Like is
r Kelly performing you know, like in prison? And they're
just like I can't wait for this week's our Kelly concert.
(35:19):
You know, like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
We just found out that's a definite no.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
And you did you hear his answer that you're like,
you're writing new music. And then he goes on this
thing and then when he comes back, he's like, actually,
I'm writing it and send it off to my girls
out there and they just put it.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
In the AI and it does the music and the vocals.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
So like this dude's writing like three lines of words
and he's calling that writing music nowadays?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
What's happening? I know?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
AI just think of the kind of stuff he could
get out there right now if he was out and
he had AI to do a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Oh my gosh, that's a scary thought.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh he'd be a monster, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I want some Carol Baskin songs. We gotta get that gone.
I'm ready if the world is ready.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I think if I hit the hell kit chip part
like all right. So I asked him about Doc Annel
and he was very open about how that guy's getting
what he deserves to an extent. He's only got one years.
He's like almost jealous of it, you know, he only
got one year, whereas Joe Exotics in there for twenty one.
But like, it does seem like the people around him
(36:29):
that were in that documentary Tiger King, they were all
involved in something. Yeah, and they're all starting to now
it's just all kind of catching up to him in
one way or another. Man, I'm interested to know of
Carole Baskin, who seems like the cleanest of the bunch,
but there's all that rumor and innu window that she
killed her ex husband, So who knows.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
She definitely killed her husband. She's definitely a terrible person.
Here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
When you're dealing with folks who own actual tigers, everything
is sketch.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
No part of their life is all sketch.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, that's so funny story. So I had, you know,
I'm doing research for the for the interview, So I'm
watching Tiger King, right and uh, Branden he comes in
and he sees that there's like these people that just
have tigers, and he's like, holy cow, you can do that?
Is that the guy you're to talk to? Can we
get tigers? And I'm like, we are not getting tigers,
(37:23):
Like this is not a thing. Did you not catch
the part where he's calling from prison, Like this has
not happening, dude.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I love You're like, you guys are just having an interview.
He's like telling us stories whatever. It's like, this call
is that's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
I debated. I'm like, do I take that out? Like,
do I edit that out? Or is that kind of
like sets the tone for what is actually like because
there is a reality to this, Like he's you know,
he's a reality TV personality of sorts. Yeah, but but
there is reality to this. Where is the the consequences
of his actions that we saw unfold, you know in
(38:03):
twenty twenty with the Tiger King, are why he is
where he is right now?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Oh yeah, No, that was great. That was great.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
And you gotta understand, when you hire somebody to kill somebody,
you're going to jail. And not only are you going
to jail, you're gonna be in there and you're gonna
be somehow sad that somebody else got a lesser sentence.
You're just gonna completely ignore that you hired a human
to kill a human and be like, well, that guy
only got a year.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
What is going on here?
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Right?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah? And so and one of the guys, it's uh,
I forget his name, but he's in the documentary and
he's one of the people that worked for Joe at
the zoo. But it's that guy, you know that they
kind of chronicle like that he you know, allegedly paid
to go down to Florida wherever and try to kill Carol, right, yeah,
(38:51):
And one of his stances right now is that that
guy allegedly lied, you know, in his and his testimony
or whatever. And that's some of the facts. But I
was when I was reading about the case, he also made,
uh pay, I don't know if he made payments or
(39:12):
offer to make payments to somebody to go do this
murder for hire to and undercover FBI like agents. So yeah,
what even if this guy, Yeah, that's tough. That's tough.
So I don't know what more he has, and I
don't know what kind of lawyer like team he's got
because that's not cheap, right, So, well, he.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Has five dollars, so his lawyer team cannot be very good,
although they could be doing the game where like they're
actually great lawyers because they know at the end of
this thing, hopefully they'll get paid.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So you never know, you never know. But here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
It's really not fair that he's in there for twenty
one years because he's just fixing babies faces. So he
does that's just fixing babies faces. I don't know why
they're broken, but he's fixing them.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
That's the part that a lot of people we are
forgetting is that he did do a lot of good,
and he did this way before any of the criminal things.
He was fixing babies faces, you know, helping families that
couldn't afford that kind of medical procedures. And then he
also fed the hungry quite often.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Set on Carroll Baskin, cut her up.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
No, no, she's still alive. So that's the he probably
would do more of the good. You know, when he
gets out of prison.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
I would think he was just what are you gonna
do out of prison?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Fix more babies faces?
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Okay, all right, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
It's smart on his behalf, though, to just if that's
the question, you know, what are you gonna do to
get in prison and then instantly hit the the goodwill
things you did before, you know, like, that's that's fair.
I gotta get the job done.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
That would have been awesome. That had been a great answer.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Actually he was, you know what I didn't know what
to expect. I didn't know he's been in there a
long time. At this point, I didn't know if we
were going to get a beaten down you know, he's sick.
You know he's in a special treatment facility for cancer
right now. So I didn't know what we'd get or
(41:19):
if we get a guy that was hopeful energet egge
and just kind of felt like the day is coming
soon when when he's gonna get released. I was happy
I got the opportunity to ask him if he's on
the Epstein list. That was good. We got that out
of the way.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
That was hilarious. I don't even know who is.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
All he knows is that that name is in the
news and it's not good for Trump. That's all he knew.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
It is not good, Sir.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Oh Man, What a what a day?
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Though?
Speaker 1 (41:54):
He's man, it sucked because like the call just abruptly ends,
right yeah, and then I'm like, well, dang. I was
enjoying talking to him, like I need more time, Like
where'd you go? Like I just I was left wanting more.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Well, in fifteen years, you gotta sit an alarm. Fifteen
years from now, when he's out, you gotta be like, Joe,
you're my guy. We talked, let's talk for longer.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yep, do this.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I did email him after and I was like, hey, man,
you need to call in and you want to go
back on laugh with me. You let me know you
are back. Like that was that I didn't get enough,
you know.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Exactly exactly. I like when you're like, you know, we
find out he's remarried or whatever, and it's like, that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
You fell in love in prison.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
He's just like, yeah, it happens. You don't know where
it's gonna we love's gonna hit you.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, sir, we don't know what happens in there. We'll
tell us. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I missed it that his his new husband was released
from pre in and then immediately deported. Like I must
have missed that whole thing. So then I go back
after and I'm reading about it. Sure enough, it's he's
he's in Mexico and he's doing the work for Joe.
He's trying to get Joe pardon and get the word out.
(43:15):
And then and Joe I've even seen he's willing. He's
like Trump doesn't want bad people in America anymore. Great,
I'll buy my own ticket. I'm heading to Mexico. Like
he's ready to go.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, pardon me, and I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah. Yeah, he's uh, he's. He's pretty honest about it,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
He is. He is. I liked it. I liked it.
It makes me want to check out his book. He's
an interesting guy.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah like that one. Oh so, what I was saying
about the book is, uh, he he wrote it while
he was in prison, and he used his thirty minutes
of computer time a day in order to write the books.
So it was quite the process.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
But that's at least that's what you know, he said.
So he he has. Yeah, so he's got a book out.
I don't know anything about it other than he's got
a book and he used his thirty minutes a day
to write it. That's all I know.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
That's that's the info you gathered this book.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
All you know. That's all I know. But we should
learn more about it for when we have the follow
up interviewer years in fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yes, I like it. I like it. Oh yeah, you
I need to know.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
Did you not hit up Carole Baskins Instagram and just
shoot a message and be like, hey, I got this
podcast if you would like to come on.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
You know what, that's a hell of an idea. That's
a hell of an idea.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
That's what I bring to the table here.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I think I think I should have you know what,
And you know what's great about Carol? She's gonna have
more time. Oh yeah, and right, so yeah, you know what,
great idea, Kyle, I am going to hit up Carol
Baskin and uh now that's that's kind of my goal
is to care of.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Go away down here, you know, taking on the world. Yep,
one one Netflix star at a time.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
That's right, that's awesome. Can you imagine thirty four million
people watching your watching your show, your life and like
the first ten days of a release about it, Like,
that's insane, that would be crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I wouldn't I would crumble.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
I would curl into a ball and never come out
of my house again.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Like how many hundreds of millions by now have seen
this story and everything they know about you is this?
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
It is wo it really is.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I can't even think like that. I can't even think
that big. That's crazy. Gosh, we gotta.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Get a Netflix show, we really do what what would
we call it?
Speaker 2 (45:54):
We'll figure it out. Just to dudes, all right, it's
not about it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Two dudes. All they do is talk about the Tiger King.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
All right, we'll come up with a better names.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Oh yeah, yeah. It turns out they put a lot
of work in the TV shows like they don't just
come up with it on the fly during a podcast.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I thought it just kind of happened. I was I
was wrong. Today's the day I learned, folks, I got smarter.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Uh Joe exoticofficial dot com. If anyone listening wants to
find out more information about him or even to donate
because he's he's using the money that he raises from
the website to help with his own expenses inside and
then also to help with awareness to help get that pardon.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Do you hate that book on there?
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I think you can.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Can you get an autographed book on there?
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I highly doubt it.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah, you have to smuggle it in sign us smuggle
it out.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
It's the whole process. If you don't guy I don't know,
maybe maybe find a guy I don't know. There's always
that guy inside that could just get things.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
This is true.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Maybe there's a guy that can bring in books, get
them signed, get them out.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
You know, I got we gotta find out about it.
We gotta figure out how to do this. If he's
not doing that.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Just sink how much money he can make if he
could actually figure that out. Because you're lawyer, like, you're
gonna buy the book, right, I'm probably gonna buy the book.
If that's the case, I gotta I gotta check it out.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
We're all in now, all right.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Final thoughts on the Tiger King joke, zak on laugh
with me.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
I freaking loved it. I did not know what to expect.
I think I told you.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
I was very frightened when I first sawt load onto
my phone.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yep, it was awesome.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
I kind of want to go rewatch the Tiger King.
I want to see how that goes down. Gotta see
him get not pardoned, Gotta see him put in his time,
get out, go to Mexico, buy some sort of weird
gold card for money that he doesn't have, and then
get back.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
I want to see how all that works out. I'm
invested now, I'm invested.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
There you go. Joe's got a new fan in Kyle
all from his call in on laugh with me. I don't.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
It's like a curiosity, okay, not a fan.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
All right, that's fair, you know, I didn't. I don't
think I fully understood that the the video coverage was
from a mostly footage that he was having filmed that
Netflix purchased or the producer's purchased and then did the
interviews and testimonials at things after he's in prison. I
don't think I when I watched it, I understood all that,
(48:42):
and I don't think I grasped that even after. But
then when he's talking about it, we'll shoot and I
go back and watch, like the first couple of episodes,
I'm like, Okay, this is like a whole different spin
on it. Now knowing that all these people are talking
about him, knowing that he's in prison right now.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah, yeah, I never thought about that either until he
said that.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
It's like what, so then you gotta think.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
About who who did he put in charge of his estate,
and that person obviously signed something to.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Just release all his stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
They sure did.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
It's not good. It's a it's a big, crazy mess.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah it is. Well, that's that's the South. That's the South, baby,
you know, that's the South.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
That's what we're doing in the sub Eric knows about that.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Eric, Yeah, he knows all about that. He's uh, he's
as far north as you can get right now though.
What Yeah, he's like vacationing in like North Dakota or something.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Oh damn. Yeah, that's tip of the tip of the
earth there.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah. So all right, well, thanks for calling in and
giving us your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, thanks for calling. Get more, get that Carroll basket. Yeah,
I'll do the recap. I'll do the recap. I'll answer
the phone.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
It'll be great, awesome. I'll work on it right now.
Are seated later f
Welcome back. This is Laugh with Me at podcast with
Jerey Ode. I'm your O, j O. And this is
a very special rewind edition of Laugh with Me the Podcast.
This is where we take some of our greatest moments
(00:37):
and we bring it. We bring it back. We want
to put it front and center. Maybe you missed it, Uh,
maybe you missed out on our major announcement that we
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we are joining iHeartRadio. So that being said, Johnny, we're
(01:03):
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we're gonna put We're gonna put out in front of
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What is exactly laugh with Me. Let's start with the
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Are esteemed producer, not a joke. He's very good at
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what he does. He's been with us from the get
and then the man behind the mic himself, that's me.
I'm j O and Uh. We've been doing this for
a few years now. You can find us at the
tippy top of the iTunes comedy show podcast charts, but
you're here on iHeartRadio listening listening to the pod, and uh,
(01:52):
maybe you missed out that we had a very special
guest call us this past July from prison, the Tiger
King himself, Joe Exag. He called in just to kind
of update us on where he's at with his part
in which from all accounts shows, it disappears that there's
(02:13):
been no ground made on this. It does not appear
outside of the President has mentioned his name. We have
heard that he knows of the attempts for the pardon.
We do know this, and we know that there are
a lot of people and you'll hear about it in
the phone call, but there are some people in Washington
(02:34):
that have his back that are trying to get his
name in front of the President, and it does appear
that has happened, but pardon, full clemency, nothing like that
has happened quite yet. So he is still in prison
and actually quite ill, but he's working on a lot
of projects. And he gave us all the time that
(02:55):
he had, which I think, if I remember correctly, it
was thirteen fifteen minutes something like that that he was
able to make a phone call. So we are gonna
hear the full interview there with Joe Exotic you remember
him from The Tiger King the Smash Show on Netflix
from twenty twenty. And then just a few days later
(03:16):
on the Friday Happy Hour, my brother Kyle, he called
in to laugh with Me and we broke it all down.
We discussed the interview and gave some thoughts as well.
So you're gonna hear it all in one episode here
and again. This is a special rewind. This is specifically
for you iHeart Okay. This one is for all of
(03:37):
you new iHeart radio listeners that maybe aren't as familiar
with Laugh with Me. We're coming, I mean, we we're coming, okay,
and we've got the Tiger King with us. Fuck Carol Basket,
you know, you know Johnny with how further Ado? Here
(04:01):
is the Tiger Key calling in from prison, Joe Exotic.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Here we go. Hello.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at
any time. To accept this call, press five to block
this call, and all you may begin speaking now hear me?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Hello, Joe?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
How are you doing?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Sir? Man?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I appreciate your time and coming on Laugh with Me today.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Well, I appreciate you having men. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I just saw on your Instagram today's day two thousand
and five hundred and three of being wrongly imprisoned. Today
I just saw on Instagram today's two thousand and five
hundred and three of you being wrongly imprisoned. Oh there, yeah,
that's U days. That's crazy. I know you're you're working
(05:04):
on the part in and getting that just kind of
out there and hopefully in front of the president. Like
where are we at on that?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Well, you know, it's it's hard to tell because you know,
everybody thought it was going to happen in twenty twenty
and it didn't. So who knows what he's going to
do when he's going to do it. But last I
heard it was about a week ago. Left. I heard
it was supposed to happen sometime in the next three
to five weeks. But who knows.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Wow, So what's that process like? Is that something like paperwork?
You file and then you just you don't get updates.
You just kind of hope and wait.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Let's see, I had I had a pardon application filed
in his first term. And see, every time a president
leaves office, they deny them all, okay, So then I
had to file one for Biden and then on January
the twentieth the day year that one got denied, so
(06:02):
I had to file it again. So now I've got
another one in the US parton the Attorney's office, and uh,
it's it's just a matter of who he picks and chooses. Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So then do you have like some champions in Washington,
like anybody who's a fan of yours? And then is
maybe you know, I have.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
A Congresswoman Lauren Bobert that's out there stomping the pavement
for me. And I've got Congressman Eric Burwison, Joe Rogan,
Bayla White, Matt Gates, I've got, I've got, I got
some of the biggest names there is, you know, out
(06:46):
there shooting for this. But you know, you know how
Trump is. He'll do what he wants when he wants.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh absolutely, But you've got his favorites. I mean, you've
got the folks that's got his ear.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, and and the people that I have been you know,
telling me that it's coming our direct friends of Donald juniors.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So okay, yeah, I don't know if you remember the
movie Beatle Juice, but I know Lauren Bolbert's a big
fan of Beetlejuice. Oh yeah, yeah, you'll have to if
you ever get an opportunity to talk to her, ask
about beatle juice. Okay, Uh, do you think it's possible
that Trump knows about this and that he's just waiting
(07:30):
to use this as like a distraction and it's going
to help you, but it's gonna be used to distract
from something else.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Well, I know for a fact he knows about this
because he was confronted by Steve Steve Nelson from the
New York Post during a live White House briefing. So
Trump instead in my name and and then TMZ called
out Alice Johnson the other day on RULD television about
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whether or not she's gonna recommend my pardon. So they
know me, they know who I am. Yeah, you know
that's what everybody says. He'll use it when he needs
to use it, you know, but right now, his best
opportunity to use it would be now to kind of
distract a little bit away from the Epstein stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, he could use the distraction for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, because you know, you know, when you when you
got Dan Bongino upset with you and Ash Patail upset
with you, that's telling the world that you're hiding something.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Hey, let's get you on the record right now that
you are not on the Epstein list.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Now, I don't even know. I didn't even know who
Epstein was until all of this hit the news. Well,
now whether or not Jeff Lowe is on the Epstein list,
and that could that could be possible, that could.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Be possible that that'd be what put him down for good. Yeah, well,
it'd be hard for Trump now to know who you were.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
In twenty twenty, Tiger King came out of Netflix. Thirty
four million people watched it in its first ten days
of release. Right you, unfortunately were in prison for all
of it. What do you even have a grasp of
like your stamp on pop culture? No, not at all, man.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah. The only the only thing that that I'm saying
out in the world is when I came back from
from North Carolina doing uh cancer treatment. They flew me
to Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And then they this call was from a federal prison.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
They drove me in an unmarked police car, uh you know,
down to Fort Worth and I was sitting in the
back seat, you know, and they were they didn't handcuff
me or anything, and I was just sitting on the
back feet of this this white car, and one out
of three cars that passed and slowed down and took
pictures way bright and it didn't matter if they were
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eighteen or eighty. Uh. It was crazy how people recognize.
So I was sitting in the vacseat of a car.
What So it's going to be kind of if I'm
making out of here alive, it's going to be kind
of crazy because you know, I've never been prepared for
this kind of notoriety.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well no, and it's hard to even accliment yourself back
into society anyways, and you're going to come out of
out of it one of the most popular people in America,
you know.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
You know, though, I wish President Trump would understand the
fact that when I, you know, before I this all happened,
you know, my my big thing was fixing little kids
faces with operations smile. That was that was my favorite fundraiser. Wow,
and fading the homeless, Okay, And I just wish he
(10:51):
would understand that. If he would, he would be honorable
enough to just let me go home the platform that
I do have out there, the amazing things I could
do to fix more little kids' faces and take care
of more homeless people would be phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, yeah, you'll have the opportunity to do ten x
one hundred x times better, you know, good than what
you have before.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So, now you've been in your your ultra popular in America,
do you get like offers? I mean, is there been
movie offers? I mean, I guess there's got to be
people wanting to tell your story even further.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Well, I have I have three good movie offers on
the table now, but nobody wants to do anything. And
left him out. Okay, you know because because Tiger King
was filmed while I was in prison. Okay, I didn't
film for Tiger King, all right. They took all of
my footage that I was filming for my reality show
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and used it without me knowing it. I never saw
Tiger King until about six months ago.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Holy cow. So wow, I guess I didn't realize that
all that was after you'd already been put in prison.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
I thought, Yeah, I was arrested in September seventh of
twenty eighteen, and they filmed that through eighteen nineteen and
early twenty.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So all those interviews and all the testimonials from your
staff and your family and friends, that was all after
you were already put in prison.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
That was all after I was already putting in prison,
and the producer Eric Good of Tiger King paid. We
have videos of him now paying them very large sums
to cash to talk shit about me and make that show.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, holy cow, so you were It's.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Pretty sad I didn't get a dime from Tiger Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I was gonna say you didn't get paid at all?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Then? No?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
None.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So do you own the name Tiger King?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Then I do own in the trademark, But it takes
money to hire lawyers to sue anybody. You know what
I'm saying right, That's why everybody, everybody on the internet
is selling Joe exotic stuff and there a damn thing
I can do because I'm broke.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Oh man, what about the music? I mean you your
music came out before prison. Have you were you able to?
I guess I'm sure more people were streaming your music.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I do get some royalties from my music now. But
see what happened while I was in prison is instead
of Tiger King, the people on Netflix doing the right
thing and working with me to do everything, they've done
everything the cheap way, and they got some clown out
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there named Vince Johnson to claim that the music was his,
so they paid him, and then it took me three
years to sue him. I just got done last March
in Florida, suing him because I finally found a lawyer
that would do it pro bono and I took him
to court and won a judgment. You know. So now
(13:59):
I've got a court order proven that the music is mine.
But you still have to soon Netflich. You have to
see the producers and health. BBC even has copyrighted some
of my music. Everybody, everybody has taken advantage of Joe
being in a in prison and not being able to.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Fight for myself once you're out.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Oh you bet, you bet, you bet? Yeah, yeah, I'm
going to keep some lawyers fully.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Employed, so they were the past.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
It's from a federal prison.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Over the past six years or so, have you been
writing new music?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Like?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Is that on your radar?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Two? I you know I have. I kind of had
a bad mind blocked there for a while. Yeah, uh
that you know, I've got married and you know, he
got out of prison and he got deported to Mexico. So, uh,
my music writing capabilities have came back, you know, politicip
(15:00):
RACI anxiety, I guess, yeah, but I've I have wrote
some uh and you know, and I'm not gonna lie
see anybody. Uh my people, my my girls out in
the world. I send them the songs and then I
guess there's a very awesome music AI program out there,
(15:22):
yep that has put the words in the sound to
it until I get out so I can sing of myself.
But yeah, they're they're apparently all on iTunes.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
The uh AI abilities right now are insane.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Like it's pretty scary.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It's very scary.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
TV that they've showed on TV of what people are
making Trump too, pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Uh have you performed at all, like for your for
your fellow inmates or the guards or anything. No, no, no, yeah,
I don't blame you. So you remarried and you said
he got out and then was was he immediately deported?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
He was? He got out on May the seventeenth. He
was supposed to have a detention hearing on the nineteenth,
and the US government picked him up on the seventeenth,
and they dumped him in Mexico on the eighteenth, and
he didn't even get a good to his hearing.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Holy cow, man, Well, you're you're certainly one of like
the rare people that have ever found love like that
in prison.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I would have to imagine, you know, it's it happens.
You know, you can't pick when, where and who and
why when it happens. But he's amazing, and I can't
wait to get out. I intend on going to Mexico.
And you know, just like I've I've had in the
(16:49):
press several times. Trump, let me out of here so
I can go to work and buy one of your
five million dollar gold cards so I can bring him
back to America.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Your fellow castmate on Tiger Tiger King, Doc Annial, he
was just sentenced to a year in prison.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
It's pretty pretty crazy, is it.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Would you call that karma? It's just kind of a
matter of time for him?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Well, I would, I would call it. I mean, not
not as much karma as you know. Uh. I'm ashamed
of the government of you know, because he muggled and
trafficked human beings, okay, in order to pay for those
expensive animals to make a living and live like he lives.
(17:41):
And and that just goes to show you that the
United States government, they want to bitch about all the
illegal immigrants in here and the trafficking and everything, but
they just showed an example of a man that was
smuggling human beings to profit for himself. Only got a
year and Joey exonicas in here for twenty one. Right, okay,
(18:06):
so so go figure that out.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Oh so before, long long before, years and years ago,
when you were taking your zoo on the road for
like petting zoos and showcases and whatnot, Right, did you
ever come through Nebraska?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I did many times, many times. We did some shows
in North Platte, Uh, Nebraska. God, yeah, we did a
lot in Nebraska.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, I'm I'm I live in Omaha, Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And I was just very curious. I thought that would
have been a pretty cool show, if you know, if
that ever came through.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
But you know, I did. I did my magic show
on the road in front of probably a total of
four or five million people. And uh and I still
get letters from people that weren't I show eighteen twenty
years ago that were little kids that are growing to
hand their own family. Now, Hey, Jeremy, this thing is
(19:06):
gonna hang out any second, because it just beats. I
want to thank you so much for having me kill
everybody to get on joey'soniccofficial dot com. Look at the evidence,
do some shopping. Help me out because the lawyer bills
are stacking up. But Hill, somebody out there. I send
my love, George sends his love, and.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
There we go, Joe exotic.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That was fun.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He seems like he's in good spirits. Honestly, doesn't he
sound like he was in good spirits?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Johnny?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I mean, he sounded like a guy that he obviously
has been long enough. He kind of gets the deal.
He's acclimated. But he's fighting, you know, he's fighting. It's
crazy to me that he was talking about he has
no idea just how popular he is. I mean, it's
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you know, I've had family. You know, they're inside, they
come out and it's you know, it's different. You gotta
get used to being around people again, being able to
just kind of move around. Oh, that would be so hard.
And then he's gonna have the whole world wanting to
talk to him, you know. And he's a showman, right,
he was a showman for many, many years, even before
(20:23):
any of any of this. Right, he's used to that,
He's used to talking in front of people. And being
on stage and being the center of attention. But it's
been so long and so secluded for so long. I
did want to ask him about his health. I mean,
he did mention that he was in for cancer treatment
in North Carolina. Yeah, I know, that's one of his
(20:45):
biggest fears. I've read in press clippings that one of
his biggest fears he's gonna die in prison before his
sentence ends. And he just wants to do good out
in the world. Man, Joe Exotic, that was exciting. We
had the Tiger King here on laugh with me, Johnny,
good job. I just want to tell you publicly, you
did good, buddy. But yeah, you heard him. You can go.
(21:06):
You can find his instagram, Joe Underscore Exotic, all kinds
of stuff on there, and then Joe Exotic Official dot com.
It sounds like that's the website, so let's actually let me,
let's Johnny, let's pull that up so that we know
we got it right and Joe, Yeah, Joe Exotic Official
(21:31):
dot com and uh, you can know exactly what's going
on with the case. It looks very updated. It looks
like we're getting new FBI information on there. Any and
basically anything you would need to know about Joe. Oh, well, wow,
(21:52):
we got we can shop all kinds of stuff here
to help him out. Boy, the Joe Exotic underwear, that
might be what I what I get. I want to
help my guy out, Joe. If you listen to the episode,
thank you so much for coming on the show, and
you're welcome back anytime before or after you get out.
(22:15):
This is exciting, Johnny, Johnny, Joe Exotic, do not go anywhere.
We're not going anywhere. Okay, we might be done with
the Tiger King, but we're gonna break it all down.
Kyle's about to call in and discuss all things Joe Exotic.
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that's why I told my family. First first thing, I
first thing, if you remember, like, because I know you've
listened to the episode, and I thought, and I just
saw it literally seconds before he called. I saw on
his Instagram it said day two thousand, five hundred and
(25:35):
three of being wrongly imprisoned, and I thought, okay, well
this is it's on his Instagram. I don't think he's
running the Instagram, like I don't you know, I and
I he kind of made that clear because he had
no idea what I was talking about. But it is
clearly but it is his official Instagram, And I thought,
what a way to kick off the conversation with You've
(25:58):
been in prison for two thousand and five hundred three days.
In hindsight, that sucks, right, Like why if you're.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Wants to hear that, thanks for reminding me.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
If you've been in prison for twenty five hundred days,
you probably don't want to be reminded of just how
long you've been in there.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
No, He's like, yeah, and it's been awful everything on
one of them.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Thanks Jeremy Glad. I called you.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I know, I felt so bad. I instantly was like,
that was a mistake, little way to kick this off.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I got the vibes that he didn't even know what
Instagram was. He was like, oh, that what they put
up there.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yep, all right, well I guess I've been in here.
I don't know it till you.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
That's fair because he was picked up in twenty eighteen,
and who knows. I mean, I'm sure he didn't even
have an Instagram then, so, you know, he obviously was
on top of some things online because he had an
online TV show, you know.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
He did, he was on the internet, but his choice
hold on his own thing. Yeah maybe all right, So remember, no,
I never heard this guy until Netflix.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Okay, I know so and me too, like I've and
much like probably most of the people in the world
had never heard this guy until twenty twenty when the
Netflix show came out, but it locally, you know, in
his like in his world, he had his online show
(27:31):
where he would read Carol Baskin's diary and and update
people on what they kind of documented a little bit
of that.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Back.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, so he's he wasn't unfamiliar with the Internet, and
he wasn't unfamiliar with like memes and and things in
that you know sense. But he probably has no I mean,
he even said he has no clue how big he is.
But he has no clue the like the world of
social media today and just kind of how it wraps
are our world.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know, Yeah, no idea, but here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
So he made a big impact, right that was the
whole thing. Whole world's talking about it. Yeah, but now
it's gone.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Right, But he's like, okay, listen to him.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
He's like, yeah, when I get out of here, I'm
gonna buy one of them. Okay, let me back up.
He's like, I got no money to see these people.
I got no money to do any of this, right right.
And then he's like, when I get out.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I'm buying one of them Trump.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Five million dollar gold cards so I can move my
husband to America. It's like, homie, you have five dollars, Like,
where are you getting this five million dollars?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So that goes back to like I was telling him,
you know, it's like, dude, thirty four million people watched
The Tiger King on Netflix in the first ten days
of release, and they had a season two. How many
documentaries do you know get a season two and a
season three?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So on there's a season three.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, it's not really about him, it's about it's about
that guy doc Annel that that just got sentenced to
a year in prison for animal trafficking and he's in
you know, the first two seasons. But it's more about
like his world. But still the brand itself. Oh yeah,
he hates all those people. But but yeah, like I
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think he's banking on I get out of prison. I
have incredible value to my name, or at least he
believes he does, to the point that he can sell,
you know, certain rights to stories. Or he says he's
got three awesome movie deals right now on the table,
(29:39):
but he needs to be out in order to make
this deal work.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, but he's not out. So he's been in there
for how long do we say.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
So he's been in the years? Yeah, more than that.
He's been in since twenty eighteen. He's on a twenty
one year sentence.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
How far back is twenty five hundred days? Okay, so
twenty eighteen. So you got a while, guy, like, what
do you Who's this is wild? He's gonna, yeah, We're
gonna make a movie when I'm eighty.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't know, man, Well, playing is kind of a whack.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
That's if you're basing it on. He's gonna service twenty
one years.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Here's the thing. We've got the pardon situation on the table,
where he feels that he was wrongly accused, that there's
a lot of evidence out there now where the witnesses
are backtracking the things that they said in Core or
on the record, and that the president is going to
give him a full pardon and he's gonna be out.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yeah. Well, first of all, that was one of my
favorite parts of the thing.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I feel like.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
He here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
He thinks that he's innocent.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Like, if you watched that thing, you know his feelings
on Caroll Basket.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
He straight up is hiring folks to kill her.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Yeah, Sayaly, He's like, he's like, yeah, I'm gonna get pardoned.
Proceeds to name off the worst folks in the world
and he's like, yeah, they're.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Gonna get me out of here. It's like, dude, you
are what is happening right now? What is happening?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
He does have like the ear of the Core people
that you would think of when you when you think maga,
you know, do.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
You think that's real though? Do you think like people
are actually like those people? Do you think they're like,
we got to get the tiger king out. That's just
what this comes down to.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Well, it's tough. Who knows who knows how like active
they actually are in you know, you only get the
president's ear for what seconds probably if you do, you know, yeah,
and then is Joe Exotic the name that comes up
when you do have his ear, But they definitely get
asked about it, Like you can find press clippings of
(31:46):
you know, the press asking these very people about Joe Exotic,
and they are certainly aware of what's going on, but
that doesn't mean that they're actually actively you know, working
on the behalf of the Tiger King to get him
a pardon.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
No, and are they asking that in the year of
our Lord twenty twenty five, right, maybe twenty twenty maybe
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Did you catch my beeal juice joke?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I was like lost on the bild, like I don't
know anything about it. Okay, you were like, you're like,
she really likes beal juice, and he did. It was
now he was like, okay, I get paid.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I did not think he would get the joke, so
it wasn't necessary. It wasn't for him. It was for
the audience. But so Lauren Bobert she a couple of
years ago, she was on a first date and she
went to see Beetlejuice the musical, and she may or
(32:47):
may not have been caught doing something inappropriate to her
first date while she was watching the show.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Now that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yeah yeah, all right, now knowing that and now he's
just like, Okay, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah so man, that's uh yeah, So that's I never
thought he would get it because you know, he's probably
the amount of information he gets, I mean it's very minimal, right,
I would think.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
So, I don't know, we got to do an investigative.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
How do they get?
Speaker 5 (33:23):
How much TV can they watch to day? How can
they how much can they read? What's going on in there?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
That's a good question. I mean, he wrote his book.
He has a book. I didn't talk about the book
on the pod, but he does have a book out,
and what do you do?
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Well?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I just I knew I had limited time. So that's
the other thing. I didn't know how much time I
was going to have with him. I just knew I
had until they cut us off. So it ended up
being fifteen minutes. I didn't know I had fifteen minutes.
I thought I could have seven, I could have eight, Like,
I didn't know, right, I just knew it wasn't going
to be a lot. So I had a list of questions.
(33:58):
I wanted to get to his and as I could,
I wanted to ask follow ups where appropriate, But I
also knew I had limited time, so the music, to
me was more important to talk about than the book.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, you turned to the music. What's that all about?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Have you you? His music is a big part of
the of the documentary Tiger King. Yeah, So I was
just so interested of is he writing more music? Is
this something he wants to do outside when he gets out?
Is this something he performs inside for his for I
almost said classmates, for his for his inmates, like for
(34:36):
maybe for the prisoners, Like is this something he's doing
and he's entertaining the masses inside? I mean it sounds
like that is a hard no, but oh no, oh no, Yeah,
I just I was intrigued by it because I just
imagine sometimes, all right, it goes back to Seinfeld and
the finale, the Seinfeld finale where they end up in prison,
(34:59):
and then the very like the very last scene, Jerry's
doing stand up, you know, for that's fair for the population,
And I'm just like, do entertainers do that? Like is
r Kelly performing you know, like in prison? And they're
just like I can't wait for this week's our Kelly concert.
(35:19):
You know, like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
We just found out that's a definite no.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
And you did you hear his answer that you're like,
you're writing new music. And then he goes on this
thing and then when he comes back, he's like, actually,
I'm writing it and send it off to my girls
out there and they just put it.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
In the AI and it does the music and the vocals.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
So like this dude's writing like three lines of words
and he's calling that writing music nowadays?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
What's happening? I know?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
AI just think of the kind of stuff he could
get out there right now if he was out and
he had AI to do a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Oh my gosh, that's a scary thought.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh he'd be a monster, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I want some Carol Baskin songs. We gotta get that gone.
I'm ready if the world is ready.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I think if I hit the hell kit chip part
like all right. So I asked him about Doc Annel
and he was very open about how that guy's getting
what he deserves to an extent. He's only got one years.
He's like almost jealous of it, you know, he only
got one year, whereas Joe Exotics in there for twenty one.
But like, it does seem like the people around him
(36:29):
that were in that documentary Tiger King, they were all
involved in something. Yeah, and they're all starting to now
it's just all kind of catching up to him in
one way or another. Man, I'm interested to know of
Carole Baskin, who seems like the cleanest of the bunch,
but there's all that rumor and innu window that she
killed her ex husband, So who knows.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
She definitely killed her husband. She's definitely a terrible person.
Here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
When you're dealing with folks who own actual tigers, everything
is sketch.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
No part of their life is all sketch.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, that's so funny story. So I had, you know,
I'm doing research for the for the interview, So I'm
watching Tiger King, right and uh, Branden he comes in
and he sees that there's like these people that just
have tigers, and he's like, holy cow, you can do that?
Is that the guy you're to talk to? Can we
get tigers? And I'm like, we are not getting tigers,
(37:23):
Like this is not a thing. Did you not catch
the part where he's calling from prison, Like this has
not happening, dude.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I love You're like, you guys are just having an interview.
He's like telling us stories whatever. It's like, this call
is that's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
I debated. I'm like, do I take that out? Like,
do I edit that out? Or is that kind of
like sets the tone for what is actually like because
there is a reality to this, Like he's you know,
he's a reality TV personality of sorts. Yeah, but but
there is reality to this. Where is the the consequences
of his actions that we saw unfold, you know in
(38:03):
twenty twenty with the Tiger King, are why he is
where he is right now?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Oh yeah, No, that was great. That was great.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
And you gotta understand, when you hire somebody to kill somebody,
you're going to jail. And not only are you going
to jail, you're gonna be in there and you're gonna
be somehow sad that somebody else got a lesser sentence.
You're just gonna completely ignore that you hired a human
to kill a human and be like, well, that guy
only got a year.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
What is going on here?
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Right?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah? And so and one of the guys, it's uh,
I forget his name, but he's in the documentary and
he's one of the people that worked for Joe at
the zoo. But it's that guy, you know that they
kind of chronicle like that he you know, allegedly paid
to go down to Florida wherever and try to kill Carol, right, yeah,
(38:51):
And one of his stances right now is that that
guy allegedly lied, you know, in his and his testimony
or whatever. And that's some of the facts. But I
was when I was reading about the case, he also made,
uh pay, I don't know if he made payments or
(39:12):
offer to make payments to somebody to go do this
murder for hire to and undercover FBI like agents. So yeah,
what even if this guy, Yeah, that's tough. That's tough.
So I don't know what more he has, and I
don't know what kind of lawyer like team he's got
because that's not cheap, right, So, well, he.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Has five dollars, so his lawyer team cannot be very good,
although they could be doing the game where like they're
actually great lawyers because they know at the end of
this thing, hopefully they'll get paid.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So you never know, you never know. But here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
It's really not fair that he's in there for twenty
one years because he's just fixing babies faces. So he
does that's just fixing babies faces. I don't know why
they're broken, but he's fixing them.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
That's the part that a lot of people we are
forgetting is that he did do a lot of good,
and he did this way before any of the criminal things.
He was fixing babies faces, you know, helping families that
couldn't afford that kind of medical procedures. And then he
also fed the hungry quite often.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Set on Carroll Baskin, cut her up.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
No, no, she's still alive. So that's the he probably
would do more of the good. You know, when he
gets out of prison.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
I would think he was just what are you gonna
do out of prison?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Fix more babies faces?
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Okay, all right, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
It's smart on his behalf, though, to just if that's
the question, you know, what are you gonna do to
get in prison and then instantly hit the the goodwill
things you did before, you know, like, that's that's fair.
I gotta get the job done.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
That would have been awesome. That had been a great answer.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Actually he was, you know what I didn't know what
to expect. I didn't know he's been in there a
long time. At this point, I didn't know if we
were going to get a beaten down you know, he's sick.
You know he's in a special treatment facility for cancer
right now. So I didn't know what we'd get or
(41:19):
if we get a guy that was hopeful energet egge
and just kind of felt like the day is coming
soon when when he's gonna get released. I was happy
I got the opportunity to ask him if he's on
the Epstein list. That was good. We got that out
of the way.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
That was hilarious. I don't even know who is.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
All he knows is that that name is in the
news and it's not good for Trump. That's all he knew.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
It is not good, Sir.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Oh Man, What a what a day?
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Though?
Speaker 1 (41:54):
He's man, it sucked because like the call just abruptly ends,
right yeah, and then I'm like, well, dang. I was
enjoying talking to him, like I need more time, Like
where'd you go? Like I just I was left wanting more.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Well, in fifteen years, you gotta sit an alarm. Fifteen
years from now, when he's out, you gotta be like, Joe,
you're my guy. We talked, let's talk for longer.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yep, do this.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I did email him after and I was like, hey, man,
you need to call in and you want to go
back on laugh with me. You let me know you
are back. Like that was that I didn't get enough,
you know.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Exactly exactly. I like when you're like, you know, we
find out he's remarried or whatever, and it's like, that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
You fell in love in prison.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
He's just like, yeah, it happens. You don't know where
it's gonna we love's gonna hit you.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, sir, we don't know what happens in there. We'll
tell us. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I missed it that his his new husband was released
from pre in and then immediately deported. Like I must
have missed that whole thing. So then I go back
after and I'm reading about it. Sure enough, it's he's
he's in Mexico and he's doing the work for Joe.
He's trying to get Joe pardon and get the word out.
(43:15):
And then and Joe I've even seen he's willing. He's
like Trump doesn't want bad people in America anymore. Great,
I'll buy my own ticket. I'm heading to Mexico. Like
he's ready to go.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, pardon me, and I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah. Yeah, he's uh, he's. He's pretty honest about it,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
He is. He is. I liked it. I liked it.
It makes me want to check out his book. He's
an interesting guy.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah like that one. Oh so, what I was saying
about the book is, uh, he he wrote it while
he was in prison, and he used his thirty minutes
of computer time a day in order to write the books.
So it was quite the process.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
But that's at least that's what you know, he said.
So he he has. Yeah, so he's got a book out.
I don't know anything about it other than he's got
a book and he used his thirty minutes a day
to write it. That's all I know.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
That's that's the info you gathered this book.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
All you know. That's all I know. But we should
learn more about it for when we have the follow
up interviewer years in fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yes, I like it. I like it. Oh yeah, you
I need to know.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
Did you not hit up Carole Baskins Instagram and just
shoot a message and be like, hey, I got this
podcast if you would like to come on.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
You know what, that's a hell of an idea. That's
a hell of an idea.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
That's what I bring to the table here.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I think I think I should have you know what,
And you know what's great about Carol? She's gonna have
more time. Oh yeah, and right, so yeah, you know what,
great idea, Kyle, I am going to hit up Carol
Baskin and uh now that's that's kind of my goal
is to care of.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Go away down here, you know, taking on the world. Yep,
one one Netflix star at a time.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
That's right, that's awesome. Can you imagine thirty four million
people watching your watching your show, your life and like
the first ten days of a release about it, Like,
that's insane, that would be crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I wouldn't I would crumble.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
I would curl into a ball and never come out
of my house again.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Like how many hundreds of millions by now have seen
this story and everything they know about you is this?
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
It is wo it really is.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I can't even think like that. I can't even think
that big. That's crazy. Gosh, we gotta.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Get a Netflix show, we really do what what would
we call it?
Speaker 2 (45:54):
We'll figure it out. Just to dudes, all right, it's
not about it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Two dudes. All they do is talk about the Tiger King.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
All right, we'll come up with a better names.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Oh yeah, yeah. It turns out they put a lot
of work in the TV shows like they don't just
come up with it on the fly during a podcast.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I thought it just kind of happened. I was I
was wrong. Today's the day I learned, folks, I got smarter.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Uh Joe exoticofficial dot com. If anyone listening wants to
find out more information about him or even to donate
because he's he's using the money that he raises from
the website to help with his own expenses inside and
then also to help with awareness to help get that pardon.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Do you hate that book on there?
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I think you can.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Can you get an autographed book on there?
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I highly doubt it.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah, you have to smuggle it in sign us smuggle
it out.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
It's the whole process. If you don't guy I don't know,
maybe maybe find a guy I don't know. There's always
that guy inside that could just get things.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
This is true.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Maybe there's a guy that can bring in books, get
them signed, get them out.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
You know, I got we gotta find out about it.
We gotta figure out how to do this. If he's
not doing that.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Just sink how much money he can make if he
could actually figure that out. Because you're lawyer, like, you're
gonna buy the book, right, I'm probably gonna buy the book.
If that's the case, I gotta I gotta check it out.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
We're all in now, all right.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Final thoughts on the Tiger King joke, zak on laugh
with me.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
I freaking loved it. I did not know what to expect.
I think I told you.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
I was very frightened when I first sawt load onto
my phone.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yep, it was awesome.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
I kind of want to go rewatch the Tiger King.
I want to see how that goes down. Gotta see
him get not pardoned, Gotta see him put in his time,
get out, go to Mexico, buy some sort of weird
gold card for money that he doesn't have, and then
get back.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
I want to see how all that works out. I'm
invested now, I'm invested.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
There you go. Joe's got a new fan in Kyle
all from his call in on laugh with me. I don't.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
It's like a curiosity, okay, not a fan.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
All right, that's fair, you know, I didn't. I don't
think I fully understood that the the video coverage was
from a mostly footage that he was having filmed that
Netflix purchased or the producer's purchased and then did the
interviews and testimonials at things after he's in prison. I
don't think I when I watched it, I understood all that,
(48:42):
and I don't think I grasped that even after. But
then when he's talking about it, we'll shoot and I
go back and watch, like the first couple of episodes,
I'm like, Okay, this is like a whole different spin
on it. Now knowing that all these people are talking
about him, knowing that he's in prison right now.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah, yeah, I never thought about that either until he
said that.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
It's like what, so then you gotta think.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
About who who did he put in charge of his estate,
and that person obviously signed something to.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Just release all his stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
They sure did.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
It's not good. It's a it's a big, crazy mess.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah it is. Well, that's that's the South. That's the South, baby,
you know, that's the South.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
That's what we're doing in the sub Eric knows about that.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Eric, Yeah, he knows all about that. He's uh, he's
as far north as you can get right now though.
What Yeah, he's like vacationing in like North Dakota or something.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Oh damn. Yeah, that's tip of the tip of the
earth there.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah. So all right, well, thanks for calling in and
giving us your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, thanks for calling. Get more, get that Carroll basket. Yeah,
I'll do the recap. I'll do the recap. I'll answer
the phone.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
It'll be great, awesome. I'll work on it right now.
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