Smells like Football SZN 2

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome back. It's a brand new episode. This has Laugh
with Me podcast with Jeremy Oh to buy how.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Joo joined to get you just crack yourself up?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I did sometimes sometimes pay who you ask. It's all
the time, but sometimes there's just like I'll do something
or I'll say something and it's just weird enough that
it'll make myself laugh. That one got me and it
was me and my head going give them a chuckle,
give them a chuckle. Then I laughed and then you

(00:51):
called me out on it.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I feel like that should be, you know, part of
the show. Laugh with me and then like underneath it,
you know, just like give them a chuckle.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Give him a chuckle. Well, we're joined again by a
giant in the transportation industry. You know him as a
football expert, a former multi time Fantasy football champion, the
former fifth speaker at Central. Have you you wanted darts before?

(01:24):
What give us? Give us? Give us a new like
what else is on the resume? I'm just I'm giving
all your accolades.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
First time guest, first time.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Guest on the pod. This is Sarah Clarson.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Everybody, I didn't want to come on until you you
finished a first hundred we did. That's how we knew
that the show had staying power.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
That's how we knew. And you're not the first person
to say that. We have a friend who has I
was like, hey, come on the pod. You have funny
stories like it would be it'd be entertaining. And you
say maybe when you get to.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
The episode blah blah blah, and like.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Okay, because you're such a get like I didn't know
like there was a line to get to you.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
But you know.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Whatever, Johnny only brings us the best guess to the
ones who want to be here. Here you are. We're
excited to have you, and we're here not just to
revel in the successes of one hundred episodes, which is
very difficult to get to. I don't know if you've heard,
but less than ten percent of podcasts ever even get there.
I'm pretty proud that we've got to a hundred and

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you were, what on twenty five of them? I mean,
you're you're on a good chunk of them. Maybe ten?
Did I overestimate?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
H No, I mean I think it's probably in that
fifteen to twenty.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
You're in that fifteen twenty range. To get to one hundred.
It's pretty cool. And then people say, all right, you
did it, you did it, j oh. Now what's what's
next after you get to one hundred, Well, obviously you
get one oh one, which we gave you. We gave
you episode one o one. Okay, so stop yelling, and
then this is episode one oh two. But coming very

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very soon to the Last with Me podcast YouTube page.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud to announce Laugh with Me
the animated series. Thank you, Johnny, Laugh with Me the

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animated series. The first episode the pilot starring myself Jeremy Odom,
starring Eric Larson, our guest here today, as he tells
us some of his stories from the pup tour when
you were on vacation in England. So this is really exciting.

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It's a different telling of the story. I don't know
if do you remember those stories? Don't give us the
stories now, let the people watch it. But do you
remember what you said?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Vaguely?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay? All right, So here's the thing. We have an
episode called Eric Goes to Europe. You could go listen
to that. You could listen to that episode and you'd
hear all the stories. Okay, maybe you've already listened to
it and you have heard the stories. Now you're gonna
hear those stories in beautiful color picture on YouTube. It's

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gonna be amazing. The artist who did the shoot, I
should give him a shout out, shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I what?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Am I what a jerk? I didn't even write down
here I am getting I remember going, hey, what do
you want me to call you on the show, and
he was just like, Alien designed? Alien Designed?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Is the artist?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Incredible animation. We've got some fun jokes within there that
you would never have heard on the pod because it's visual.
We may have an appearance by Cisco.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, famous from the Thong song I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Let's say that's a first one. Yeah. Called back to
the first one hundred episodes, Yeah, sixty of them. Of sixty,
sixty of them featured Cisco.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I don't want to give too much away, obviously, but
keep your eyes peeled. This animated series is coming. The
pilot episode and the episode two is actually coming right behind.
It is almost done. So would you really excited?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Would you say? I mean, I haven't seen any of
this animation yet. I mean, is this is this gonna
help me with the ladies. Yeah, it's am I tastefully
rendered in this.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, it looks just like you. It's gonna be you're tall, okay,
like that salt and pepper hair. You know, you've got
that dark and then you got that gray. So it's
gonna be like that salt and pepper and then you
know you've been known here. What are you drinking right now?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
No? Beer? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Beer, You've got that nice shapely beer belly going that
we all do, I do do. This is not a
new thing. This is at all us thing. You got
that going. But you're really tall, way toller.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Me great personality. So like this animated version of me,
great personality.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
There may or may not be a scene where you're
being in a beer. I don't know. I'm not who
am I to know? Spoiler alert spoiler alert, But it's exciting.
And then I will put out there that episode two
is it's a callback to a very traumatic experience that
I had that I do have in a episode that

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is I'm not going to tell you what the episode's about,
the animated episode two, but I will tell you what
the Laugh with Me podcast episode was called that the
story came from Okay, and then you decide if you
kind of can see where it's going. The episode that
the story has come from, it was called Pepper Spray
Attack Survivor. I don't know if you have heard that

(06:53):
episode or not, but it should be exciting. So there
you go. It should be fun. You got nothing to say,
you got nothing to say, You're like, I'm tall.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, I'm still still dealing with the fact that, yeah,
your listening audience is gonna think I have the dad
bod going on.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
They're gonna see the full you dude, They're going to
see the full Monty. So this is, uh, this is
pretty exciting. But yeah, I know we're excited to announce
the Laugh with Me animated series is coming to our
YouTube page exclusively and the pilot episode is coming at you,
like very very soon, so keep your eyes peeled for that.
And you know, I've obviously been working on that, but

(07:37):
also I've been working on some fantasy football drafts because
it's that fantasy football season and we had our big
draft here a week ago. We've got a league. Hot
tub in the end zone is the league name at
twelve of us, maybe you're nineteen, you're nineteen of the league.

(07:58):
The core of the league. It's been the same.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
You know, we've had guys coming go, we've had some
guys leaving then come back, but the core of the
league is the same, which is always fun when you
can have that kind of like stability. But no, we
get one of those live drafts where the guys get
together on a Saturday every single every single summer and
pick them. But it's turned into like a it's turned

(08:24):
into quite the deal. I mean year one was like, hey, everybody,
come over to my apartment and we got a cag
and we had it in my apartment, in my little
two bedroom apartment, and twelve plus of us were in there,
drinking beer, watching a Husker game, drafting like that's what
it was, right, It's turned into a day long eight

(08:45):
am first BEV golfing by nine, lunch at this beautiful lake,
and then go to the cabin, play beer, darts and
play your games until draft time, which is not the
leavening because apparently some people still have to work on
a Saturday. So it's quite the deal. Draft Day. You

(09:08):
survived it, Yeah, yeah, not by much, it looks like,
but you survived it.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, that might might have added a few more gray hairs,
So maybe that animated avatar is a little bit more accurate.
But yeah, we we poured our first beverage at at
eight am. I actually stayed at the draft location the
night before with some of the some of the out
of towners, and we are our gracious hosts had just

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served us as first beverage, and one of the guys
in there was just like, this is this is great,
but you know, where's your boat, Joe?

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Where the boat go?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
And that's why you got He's got the cabin, he's
got he's got the boat docked down there and lo
and behold, there was no boat, Joe.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Joe, So the boat is in the middle of lake.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah. So Joe didn't say anything. He just goes booking.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
It to the out to.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
The dock and it's just, you know, you can see
him kind of looking around, and so you know, we're
kind of half following him, you know, all of us
with our beverage in our hand, like a little confused
like maybe you know, maybe somebody, maybe somebody borrowed it,
maybe somebody you know, uh. And then Joe comes running
back up to the house. They've got an ATV. He
gets on this ATV and just buzzes off down the beach,

(10:29):
and so yeah, we're all like just sitting there like, well,
this is you know, this is some drama like this
could uh this could really this is a really tough,
tough look to start. Uh. So four or five minutes
goes by. Also, my phone starts ringing and it's Joe.
It's just hey, go, you know, go up stairs, go here,

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this is where the keys are. Get the keys and
come meet me, you know, at the bridge. So, you know,
we down our drink, We get in the car, we
drive up to the bridge is probably like four tenths
of a mile away from his house, and there's Joe
standing on the bank of the lake with uh the boat,

(11:11):
with the boat, the boat sitting right there. Luckily it
kind of beached itself on the sand pottom boat. So, yeah,
I went through a bridge tunnel, you know, probably twenty
feet wide, concrete like on both sides.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Do you think it like a bumper card through there?
Do you think it just I mean, it.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Didn't look like there was any big like scuffs or
any of that kind of stuff on there. But luckily
again you know, wow, But yeah, apparently the lift was
not engaged all the way. So we did not take
the boat out the other day. This is the blame.
The blame goes on somebody else.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
But thankfully, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
We would never be able to go back.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Well that's a heck of a way to start the day.
And then you guys rush to go deal golf with
us and meet up with me and Kyle. How'd you shoot?
We were in different I know we were playing scramb
uh scramble right that we were doing. Yeah, how'd you shoot?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
The driver was awful? Yeah, but my irons. Irons were
looking pretty good.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
That's kind of my day too. I learned if I
give a if I give a lean to the left
off the drive, I could do. Okay. It was never
the drive we would take.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
But it was.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
It was better. And then but then the iron play, Yeah,
I was all day. They were taking my shots.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
So one of the guys in my group, he came
in from out of town. Uh, his dad is an
avid golfer, and so Cody's just like, hey, I don't
I don't want to bring my clubs. I don't want
to fly him up there. Hey, we're only going to
golf nine. You know that draft morning don't want to
deal with it. So his dad's like, hey, I put
a bag together for you. So luckily Cody was hitting

(12:52):
the driver very well. Uh so we used a lot
of his drives on it because his dad gave him
a driver and two woods. The remainder of Cody's bags
was all ladies clubs, which I mean, Cody's a tall guy.
He's six foot yeah, so but yeah, he would go

(13:14):
out there, and then we agree, yeah, how.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Tall is his dad?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I think a little bit shorter.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Okay, that makes sense, but yeah, well he's club a
little more forgiving, so probably.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, so he was. He was really leaned down with
these ladies. And then the other thing too, is like
all these clubs are right handed and Cody is left handed.
So I love the fact that left hand are using
right handed ladies clubs. That was That was you know
one of our members.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
That's also to go for.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
It was fun, you know it was. There was a
couple of times where our group's kind of you know,
met up there.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah. I think I actually wanted to talk to me
about that. You you flip me off. I flipped you off, yeah,
like two big fingers like you were waving around dancing.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Do you remember what hold that was? I'm trying to
think mentally where I was at, like, maybe did something happen?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I think you're just being a dick.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Did I miss a putt?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
This seemed like happy? Yeah, you were dancing around, flipping
people off.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Was I in the cart or not?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
You were not?

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I was not in the car. I was dancing. Yeah,
that might have been target at. You know, yeah, that
might have been you know.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
That was that's your inner voice was saying the opposite
of give them a chuckle, a chuckle.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's wonderful. Well, golf's fun, but when you have a
full day planned aheadie, it's it's a lot. But yeah,
you know, by the time you get through all the
beer darts and beard darts is great. I don't if
anybody played beer darts fun game. Never just chuck a
dart in the middle of the field of a pile

(14:57):
of cans, because you will not get that dart back
ever again. Who knows where that dart has ended up.
It is gone. It was literally two feet in front
of us one second and then it's just gone.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah. So yeah, one of our guys. You know, because
as you're playing beer darts. You're throwing your empties in
the middle, and one of the guys decided, just for
whatever dumb reason, to throw a dart at one of
the empty cans.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Now he's a jerk. You think I'm a jerk with
the middle finger?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, I mean that completely absolved you, thank you, But yes,
it was. I imagine that would have been very humorous
for an outsider to come by at that point, because
there was just there are probably seven forty year old
dudes on their hands and knees crawling over this patch

(15:47):
of grass looking for a dart. Like the flight flew
off of it, so it was just the dart. The
ground was soft because it had rained, and we.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
This is a super old reference, but like, honey, I
struck the kids when like the parents are hands and knees,
you know, the Yeah, trying to look for the kids
in the grass Like that was us looking for this
dart everywhere.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
That's we should have asked, Joe, if you had a
magnifying should that probably would have helped.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Oh yeah, that was something. But we never did find
that dart. In fact, luckily one of our league mates
had not shown up yet was able to bring us
some darts. But holy cow, that was quite the search
looking for that dart. But yeah, and then our grand
idea was to just play with one dart and it's
like this this game. It just takes all the energy
out of the game when you're playing with one dart. Yeah,

(16:35):
now fun time. And then you actually draft, which is
always fun. I don't know a lot of a lot
of leagues, they they switch up how the draft order is.
Sometimes just randomized. Sometimes you have to earn it. Our
league is like you know how a lot of them do,
where it starts with the loser from last year and
all the way to the winner at the at the

(16:56):
bottom there to kind of start your draft. But we
we reset after round four, which is always a great
excuse then to have what our league enjoys, which is
a very long break. And when we take that break,
then we reshuffle the draft order again for rounds five
through fifteen. This year we has the new w W

(17:17):
two K game and it was like a randomized custom
players with all the league people and then a battle Royal.
It was so that was fun to see, you know,
oh here comes Eric, you know out and you got
to fight Stone called Steve Austin now.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
And you know whoever got thrown out, whoever's named character
got thrown out first. That became last pack, that became
last year, and so it was kind of dramatic to see. Yeah,
when then the wrestlers announced and your guy runs out.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
And the only thing I would have changed to that,
it's it's difficult because a lot of a lot of people,
most people were out of the match already before some
people even made it in the match. Like, I'd love
to see us all in a match start at the
same time and they go, but I know that's not possible,
but like, that's what I would like.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
To see, at least with only one coming in. It
allowed you to kind of focus in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
True.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
That and the fact that, for whatever reason, the random
character generator I mean made me a like a purple
turtle turtle LF Like, I'm not sure how that works.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
But but we've done some different things. We've had Coach
Gruden last year selected our draft order. That's fun to
watch what he had to say about us.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
You mentioned beer dart, so we've been doing that for
a couple of years. That's kind of become our official sport.
But we did a couple of years ago where our
hosts filled up balloons and then each balloon had like
a slip of paper in there. And so you take
turns throwing each member of the league, and you'd throw
a dart to hit a balloon and then it either
had a pick here's what number you're going to be,

(18:48):
or it had a shot, yeah, and which always.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Gets the get going. Yeah, that's a fun way to
do it too. We've done.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
The downside to that was but he was awful, Like
there were a couple of people that were just awful
at hitting him. And then I think your brother Kyle
actually hit like four shots in a row, like he's
actually hitting the balloons and each one is just like, Nope,
you need to do a shot.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Take a shot. Yeah, I just give me six.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'll take at this point, just please. It's
it's a long day, but it's fun.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
You take that break and then we kind of reshuffle
the draft order. It gives a little new excitement to
the live draft itself. But man, I'll tell you what.
So we start early, we're getting the beds going, and
then we're golfing, and then you got lunch, and then
you got the beer games, and then you know then
you got these big reshuffling of the rounds that you

(19:43):
may have to take all these shots and then you're
drinking beers and then we have to actually draft to
keep you fools organized. Is quite the task.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Why are you looking at me? You?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
I'm looking at you right now. It is quite the task.
I just want credit to me, honestly for this year
keeping it together and getting through the entire fifteen rounds composed,
because I know in years past I haven't been. That's
on me. Hand up, that's on me. But holy cow,
that's quite the deal.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
I think one of these years you and I are
going to switch roles and you do what I do
and I'll do what you do, and then we'll we'll
just we'll have a draft, should we do like a
Bizarro draft?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I don't know if this is such a good trade
for me, because what I what I like is just
when you start getting stressed out. I'm chief mediator, yes,
but I'm also chief instigator. Yes, you are, so probably
the most aggravating and the one that helps you know. Yeah,
the temperature have a shot.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I gotta talk about this.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
So like that's a very fine line.

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then you heard what we had to say about the AFC.
Now we're gonna talk about the NFC. So the AFC
is my bread and butter with being a Chargers fan,
as a Vikings fan, this is home base. You watch
a lot of NFC football, I do, uh, which means
you love Fox a lot of NFC on Fox. How
do you feel about that? Do you like Fox as

(23:59):
your home base? Like CBS?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean not a huge Joe buckfan. So now that
Joe Buck's no longer part of that Fox broadcast, so
I'm happier.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Let's let's quickly rank the broadcasters that do NFL games.
We didn't. I didn't tell you we were gonna do
this ahead time. In fact, I just thought of it.
So we're going to let's quickly, very quickly rank our NFL,
not broadcast teams, but networks that we like to watch
NFL games on. Okay, who would you say is like

(24:31):
the worst? And there's streamers in this. There's Peacock, there's Amazon, there's.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean I put any of those single one off.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
The NFL network generally isn't even a good broadcast.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Did you watch the Netflix games that they had last
year at christ Like those were awful? Those were bad,
Like not only did they have to they populate the
announcer desks, but then they also had to populate like
the pre and post game shows and there's just like
eight dudes and it's just like it was like Who's
who for like had gotten kicked out of the big
leagues of just hey, you're not entertaining enough.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well they had comedians, they just had people, you know.
But yeah, so but the visual is incredible. I will say, like,
just like I don't do you watch any of the
Apple TV and MLB games on Friday nights?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
No?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, the visual, like their presentation of an MLB game amazing,
The announcers awful. It's so bad that after the first
year they added the option where you could have the
home team's radio broadcast like be your audio. Oh wow,
So yeah, I'll listen to the Padres home radio broadcast

(25:38):
all day long if I don't have to listen to
these Apple fools.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
So that's and that's you know the Husker game that
was on last Thursday. Yeah, that was like an eye
opener too, because it was just like cat I always
forget how bad those like eighth string TV announcers are
for like college football.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
How's ESPN on a Thursday night week one? Not have
like give us something? It's a it's a prime game
on Arrowhead Stadium, it's a neutral site game. You know,
Nebrass is a big brand. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
There was two challenges that happened towards the end of
the first half. Reyola force a strip sack fumble. Uh
and then they had a the other team got the
ball after a kickoff and the guy caught it and
fumbled it. And the announced team was one hundred percent

(26:34):
wrong on both the calls. And it was just kind
of one of these like are you what are you
guys watching the same game?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
If he makes a football move, he made four steps,
like that's that counts? Like that he has possession of
the ball.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Four steps is borderline running? All right? So how about
let's ESPN some Monday Night football, CBS, Fox, and uh.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
NBC, NBC. So, now does the ESPN include like so
you got you know, Joe Buck yep, and Akman, But
does it include the Manning brothers, the Manning past?

Speaker 1 (27:14):
You could include that they have the Manning cast. Yeah,
because I I'll watch I'll watch Monday Football, I'll watch
the Manning cast. I don't watch the other one.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So I think i'd probably put it uh Fox, NBC,
ESPN and CBS is my my low my lowest broadcast one,
even though I think that Romo individually is probably my
favorite announcer.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
He's fun, So mine would be number one. NBC. I
think they do better in anybody presenting a.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Football game, well but Collinsworth every single time, Nobody in
the NFL does it better than him.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yep, I think, uh I like that, Like I don't know,
there's just something I like that. Uh So then sorry,
so NBC in the I'll probably give it Fox, and
then i'd probably give it I'd probably give it CBS,
and then i'd give it ESPN and then the streamers group.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I like the ESPN when they do the weird graphics, like,
I like that. They just have fun with it and
it's just the dumbest.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
We didn't oh in the cartoons. Yeah they like Yeah
a fox Stard do that too.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Uh, we didn't even add Nickelodeon. Uh or if you
count that into CBS's crew. But the Nickelodeon's kind of fun.
I don't I don't know that I could watch a
whole game that way, but it's fun to see highlights.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
CBS always strikes me as kind of like a throwback,
like their whole entire like how they do the scoreboards
and all that kind of stuff just feels very throwback.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
So CBS, it's funny you say that because they are
so like, like their history with the NFL is one
of the earliest, you know, as far as like broadcast
networks showing games. They lost their coverage when Fox outbit
them and then Fox you know, became what Foxes. That's
how they did with getting NFL, and CBS found their
way back in, but they lost the NFL for a while.

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But yeah, they're like they do have that old that
old field, just like if ABC, if it if instead
of ESPN on ABC. If it was the old school
ABC Sports, it would feel like, yeah, nineteen nineties all
over again.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
You know that'd be That's an interesting question though too.
When you think about it, it's like, all right, well,
we both putting Fox up there, because hey, in the nineties,
that's when we probably were first getting it became. That's
where we have the nostalgia. It'd be interesting to talk
to like, you know, our dads and be like, hey,
which of these style ones you like better? Could be CBS,
Yeah it could be.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, Wow, that's interesting. This is actually an interesting topic.
We just off the Dome. This is riffing at its finest.
Are at the NFC. We're gonna start with the NFC South,
everybody's favorite division. You have some bad blood within this division. Personally,
I hope you don't hold that against the Saints when

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you're talking about them, so I know you don't like
them at all.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I don't hold it against him. I do hold how
bad of a team they are.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
You're going to hold that against them? Okay, that's fair. Okay,
So NFC South.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I think you've got to say that the Saints are
probably the worst team in football right now.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
The worst team in football and you're counting the Browns
in this. Yes, you're counting the Jets in this. Holy cow,
you're kind of the Raiders in this.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
So you would you say the Saints are front runners
to be the number one pick?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yes? Wow, yeah, they I mean just and the funny
the sad part is like part of it is due
to the quarterback uncertainty that they've got your car got hurt,
He's not you know, wouldn't be able to play this year.
But honestly, there are team's bad enough that even with

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Carr in the building, I don't think that they probably
move out of the bottom three. Like you're gonna You're
gonna spend a lot of bottom five podcasts sat about
the Saints.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
You know, I love talking about the bottom five, and
I love talking about the Saints. This is actually fun.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
They have, I mean, probably the worst cap situation and
they still got like two more years before they dig
themselves out of the cap hell that all the spending
Drew Brees years put them in. They had a good
run there about eight years where they just kept kicking
the bill down or down the road.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Okay, So, as a Vikings fan, as somebody who's never
experienced a super Bowl championship. Okay, would you give it
all the way to have those breeze years and then
be in salary cap hell to never be competitive again?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, I mean the the super Bowl made it worthwhile. Okay,
the super Bowl made it worthwhile.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I'd agree with you there, Just give me one one
super Bowl would make it all worth it then whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean once you got that, then you
can just kind of live off fibes for two decades.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Are you kid me? That's all I would live off of.
I'd be like, yeah, but remember when we want it.
This is why we're good as Husker fans, because we're like, yeah,
but we've got five naturals.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
If if the Vikings or the Chargers won the Super Bowl,
I think we'd both be in the same boat where
it'd be interesting the morning after the super Bowl waking
up and just looking at what we ordered the night before,
Like it would be posters, frame pictures.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Everything, like just anything you can give me, I need
it because that's my whole personality for the next five years.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, I mean, I do think it would almost be
one of those championship like you buy the T shirt,
like in a large and extra large, a double xcel,
a triple like just just in case, just in case,
in the future. I need this.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Because you will live that exact the quote the I'm
living fat and happy. You're gonna live happy for Yeah, Eric.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
You put on some weight. Nah, I'm just vibing ing.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, we won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Ye know, I can put on that much way, just
six or seven?

Speaker 1 (33:01):
How many friends would we lose when our teams won
the championship or were they just they know what they're getting.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, Well, I mean I think I've done a good
enough job of I've converted a lot of people to
at least partial Yeah, Viking fandom. Oh yeah, so I
think I'd survive it a little bit better than.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
You did it to me because when this was fifteen
years ago, when my son was born, you know, he
grew up, Vikings were our NFC team. You know, he's
there's pictures of him and his Adrian Peterson jersey and
little Viking shirts and yeah, he's a Chargers fan, but
we root for the Vikings too, and uh that was
something It's like, all right, Vikings win the Super Bowl.

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I mean I'm probably gonna go just as hard celebrating
as if it was a Charger.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
There's room. There's room now.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Will I cry? Probably not, because I didn't have that
emotional attachment of what happened. You you better cry, like
it's gonna be so emotionally like just this release then
just like if the Chargers win. When the Chargers win,
it's gonna hit me emotionally right all the growing up
a Chargers fan. I probably won't cry, but I will
be so happy when vikings for the Super Bowl. So

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there you go. We weren't even talking about the Vikings,
but here we are. The Saints. Yeah, they are trash.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Let's just good. Let's go ahead and move on to
the Panthers.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I like their offense. I'm gonna be on the record.
I think they have something there.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
See. Do you think that Bryce Young like he was
the later half of last year. Yes, he's that's the
quarterback that he's going to be.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I think he gets it. I think there was a
learning curve. They did the right thing by benching him.
They did the right thing by having Andy Dalton on
the on the team to to mentor him. He's really good.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
It's it's wild, like when is there another like redemption?
Story like that of just I.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Mean, there's not like you either you either flame out
quick or you just you just like Trevor Lawrence, just
just you start one day and you never look back,
and you either get it or you don't. I don't
know that he gets it yet, but he's still there.
Jared Goff either get it or you don't.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
And the other names that kind of came and it's
a totally different scenario. But Brady Roethlisberger. Neither one of
those guys was like that great the first year, but
they were champions.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
In fact, Roethlisberger they won despite him it.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, but they were champions, which gave him a long
enough leash that, Hey, they by the end of their careers,
they were like the top quarterbacks. But I don't think
you would have predicted that by seeing their film from
their first like two or three years.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
There's something to be said about not playing right away.
Peyton Manning. Would they get one win that first season?
They let him go out there and play football right led.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
The league and interceptions.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Exactly, and now he's a Hall of Famer. But like
there's Carson Palmer with the Bengals didn't play a snap
that first season. They made him sit, you know, sit
as QB two the whole first season, and then he
was the start of the next season. He had a
great career. I like, I think there's something to a
guy being sat down at times and being like, watch

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the game, watch it unfold, then go out there and
do it.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
That's and it's interesting just from I don't think. I
don't think you can do that anymore. I don't think
that you can consistently do that. I think so much money. Yeah, well,
and too much of an advantage, because having a rookie quarterback,
having them on that rookie deal is the most valuable

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thing in sports.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, that's a good point, because you spend that money
elsewhere in that salary cap.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, so you obviously you can do it either way, but.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
You lose a year of that window. Yeah, that's a
good point.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, what changed on the Chiefs from Patrick Mahomes and
those early the Super Bowl teams to where they are now, well,
paying him sixty million. You don't have that to spread,
you know, to get those good defenders, to keep that
Tyreek Hill contract out there.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
That's scary. What if he had played that first year,
Just if my home started year one. That's scary to
think they could have another Super Bowl. Anyway, back to the.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
South, now that we've gotten the Saints and the Panthers
out of the way, by talking.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
About other teams, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
So I'm probably going against the grain here. I got
I got the Bucks next in that one.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
The Bucks are definitely the favorites to win the division. Yeah,
backed by Baker Mayfield, who I'm He's my fantasy quarterback
this year. I've got big hopes for him this year.
The stacked, stacked with weapons around him, good culture, this
is a good football team.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
And this might be you know, because we did our
AFC show. I did my AFC rankings first, and you know,
I picked the Jags as a team that I was
a little bit higher on, mostly due to I like Cohen.
I like their head coach. Well, he's been the guy
that was the offensive coordinator for the Bucks. So I
guess that's probably the big question. You know, it'll be

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a big question here actually on the NFC when we
get to the Lions as well, is just hey, when
you have such an efficient offense that's run by it,
does it still run as well? Right when they're gone?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
That's their big question mark. So you think that no,
the answer is no, and that the Atlanta Falcons are
going to overstep.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
I think that they're in improvement mode. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
And do you think Kirk Cousins ends up being the
guy that takes them to the Promised Land? No, So
he's just gonna continue to collect checks.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
As I mean, he's done it better than he's done paybody. Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
What do you like about the Falcons?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
And I mean I like their offensive skill players. I
mean I think Bijon is arguably, I mean the best
running back out there right now. I mean he's right
in his prime.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Uh. And then I mean I like the the Drake London.
I like, why am I blanking on the QB's name
right now? Pay you? Yeah? You kept saying Cousins, and
I'm like, it's not Cousins, It's not Cousins.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Well because I still have like a saft spot for Cousins,
Like I feel like he's a good quarterback.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, And I'm like, why.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Why is that guy not I mean, look at how
much money he's making, why is he not starting quarterback?
But Pennis it's pretty freaking good and adds a level
of play that Cousins just isn't gonna give you.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
So the NFC South, they're also be playing the NFC West,
and they're going to play in the AFC East. So
I do think that both these teams, no matter how
it shakes out, for that number one. See, I think
both these teams a really good shot to make the playoffs. Okay,
but the Bucks will be the team that are playing

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the Lions and the Eagles, and neither of those teams
are going to be on the Falcons schedule.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Well, there you go. That could be the difference.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
So yeah, like I think when you're kind of looking
at this pecking order of the NFC, I mean, the
Bucks are are good, but they're not I don't think
in the same weight class as right, you know, the
Lions and the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Do you ever do the exercise where it's like you
take every team's individual schedule and you just go down
the line, all right, win loss win loss and lost
loss win win, when you know, and you kind of
get everybody's final records and just from looking individually, and
I'll get anything else. And then you take those and
then it's like, all right, here's the divisions, here's here's
if you're like done that. Actually, I find that interesting

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and I don't know if you can find any thing
from it. See if you were doing it like you
just said, if you were doing that and talking about
what you just said, I think you're right. I mean,
that's where you find Atlanta gets the advantage.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
And here's kind of my methodology on here, and we're
gonna get a little nerdy in here. But one of
the reasons that we've been kind of talking about what division,
what conference these guys are playing in, is a way
to kind of weigh that out. So if I was
looking at the Falcons or the Bucks and they're playing
the AFC East, all right, well, there's probably one team
that we know is better than those. Buffalo is going

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to be better. Ye, there's two teams in there that
we know are going to be worse. So it's probably
fair to say, you know, two and two, maybe three
and one out of there. Yeah, And that's probably a
little bit more realistic of saying like two and two
than like going through there. I'm just giving them a
win or a loss based on that, because you're going

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to end up with that dumb like every year, you
end up with that one where it's just like, well
they lost to the Dolphins, but then they beat the
Patriots and the Jets, right, all right, well you know
the Jets we expected, but you know, yeah, okay, we
didn't expect them to go to you know. So I
think you can kind of look at those other divisions
and you can get an idea, Hey, if I'm playing

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the NFC North this year, that's going to be really
really tough to say that I'm going to go three
and one, just because there are three really good teams
in there, right and one of those teams is probably
going to steal one that they shouldn't have because it
just always happened. Yes, yeah, So that that's kind of
how I weigh it. I think that you get kind
of locked in if you're looking at a game by
game and like a fallacy of just like you're you're

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projecting out two months from now. Yep, Hey, how healthy
are this team? Like? Am I looking at it from
day one? I mean, we talked about the Bills as
a team last year that was looked at more like
a rebuilding and they turned out to be a juggernaut.
They're better, I mean, or the Vikings, a team that
was supposed to be nothing last year that ended up
being really good. Yeah, a fourteen win team.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
And I find myself when I'm looking at you know,
if I just look at Okay, here's the team on paper,
here's the divisions are matching up against, I could feel
like this team's fourteen to twelve team, you know, win team.
But if I'm going week to week to week for
each team and I'm looking at it, I find myself.
I get into these modes where like, well, yeah, but

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they're not gonna win like three in a row, so
they're gonna lose this one, and then they're stacking up
wins or losses maybe in places that wouldn't actually happen
on the field, but in my head, yeah, but they're
not gonna win six straight, you know, like look at
this stretch. Like I don't know, I just create these
storylines within At that point.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
The NFL network had they had a analyst last year
that did the Viking schedule like that, and he marked
wins and losses and it was it went viral in
like the Vikings chat groups because he was he had
him going like four and thirteen as opposed to you know,
and it's just like well, you just you look awful
on this.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
But yeah, it's well last year was the year like
Vegas even had their win loss total super low. Yeah,
and it's like they were coming off of twelve wins,
fourteen wins something like that. Like there's no way they
have that kind of drop, and there you go, they did. Not.
All Right, the NFC South, you got the Falcons taking
the number one spot. NFC you going to do the West? Sure, okay,

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NFC West.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
This is a very tough one.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
This division is always tough, Yeah, because very even teams.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I feel like the Rams are probably the best team
in there, but I think you can make an argument
for any of the other teams winning this division. I've
got the Cardinals at that number four spot. But it's
like I feel like they're going to be a decent
team again, Like they've got talent, Like they're a very
balanced team. They've got talent on the defense, they've got

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talent on the offense, Like they've got exciting players on
both sides.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
So fourth place in this division, what do you think
they're What do you think their win total could be?
Do you think it could be over seven and a half.
Do you think they fall into like six just because
of substance.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
This is the division that I have have marked down
as being like this year's NFC North. I feel like
this is a division that could send three teams to
the playoffs, right. Yeah. The biggest reason is so NFC West,
they're playing the NFC South very winnable games and the
AFC South extremely winnable games on both sides. And that

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was I mean, the Vikings, the Lions, and the Packers
last year all feasted off the AFC South.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Well, gamblers out there. This is the division to look
at the win loss and take the over. There's an
opportunity here. I love that.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
But yeah, I think I mean, Cardinals aren't a tough
spot though, because it's like they've had Kyler Murray, they've
had success there. I mean obviously they had of Marvin
Harrison junior last year. Like they've got some pieces around them.
But like you kind of it's bad to have an
average quarterback, Like that's a bad spot to be in.
It's a bad spot to be extending. You know, Kylage

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that that's where he I don't think he's proved that
he's elite. I don't think that he's proven that he's
a top ten quarterback.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
He's certainly not elite. He certainly has the talent to
be elite at times.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Like if you paired him in a bit, I mean,
if you paired him with a really good defense, could
he be like a Russell Wilson, you know, like Keat
was classic, Because I mean that would probably be the
comp for him. I mean short like big playability.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Right, but if you put him on that Seattle team,
the Russ oh Man, that'd be a heck of a
heck of a squad. Yeah right, he kind of has
that same playable as Russ. He's I like Kyler Murray.
I picked him this year in fantasy to back up
Baker because I'm like, I.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Think two of your big put a put a flag
in it, the two quarterbacks, so we know that you
got Baker Mayfield Kyler Murray.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
And like they weren't guys I invested a lot of
like high draft picks on him. I just they are
guys in key spots that I'm like, I think I
need to rely on them. I think I will be
able to. I see Kyler having a really good season.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
And I mean those two, for as far as fantasy
are really complimentary to each because you'll be able to
play the matchups.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Sure, yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Like you're not having to take the bad weeks. You're
not having to take you know when they play. Hey,
you might sit Kyler when he's playing this at Seattle, right,
and I'll.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Be able to do that those Bakers playing at New Orleans, yeah,
or against New Orleans. All right, So the Bucks, which
I'm gonna guess, I don't know who you pick next.
I'm gonna guess that you picked.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I thought this was one that I went back and forth,
so I picked the Seahawks as number three. They got
an amazing defense. I mean, the question is is like
if you Gino Smith was their quarterback. You see, is
Darnold a net gain or net loss on that?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I don't know's he's.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
If.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Here's the thing, it's a loss if he's the same
because they made the switch to get better. So even
if he's the same as Gino there behind the ball,
so they need him to be better. Yep, I don't
know that he's better, so that he would probably take
the under.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
And then you're thinking about it too. The other big
trade that Seattle made so they got rid of Metcalf. Yeah,
I mean, they've got Jackson Smith in there, but Cooper Cup.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Cooper Cup beyond the time, beyond his prime. There's a
reason he's not in Los Angeles anymore. I mean, they
loved him there. Just think of all how much production
he was. He was the guy. He was the reason
Matt Stafford could do Matt Stafford things. He was the reason.

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I'm gonna give nobody else credit. I'm giving it all
to Cooper Cup because he was just always open.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
When when O'Connell came to coach the Vikings, that was
like the first thing everybody's talking about, is he's going
to turn Justin Jefferson into Cooper Cup.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
And why not? You know that, why not?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
That was a cop that you could make at that time.
But that was also five years ago.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yeah, I don't know. You think Cooper Cup takes a
big step back and it really impacted.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I mean, I Cooper Cup was just an accessory to
the Rams last year and he was not one hundred
and twenty catches Cooper Cup. He was hurt. He was
hurt too. He was hurt. But even when he came back,
like he's not the same guy. Yeah, he was not
able to headline the show anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, so I would agree there Seattle. I think there's
question marks with San Francisco as well.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, and not so much like.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Because the players on the field are still really, really.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Good, so San Francisco. So I flipped back and forth
on this one. The one thing that probably decided me
on the Niners is that, based on their strength of
schedule is the easiest in all the NFL.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
That helps, all right, that helps a lot.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
So, yeah, they've got an easier schedule. They finished, you know,
they finished. Did they finish last in the division last year?

Speaker 1 (50:16):
The Niners?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, yes, yeah, So they've got that easy schedule where
they get to a like even you know, we talked
about the Thunderdome of the NFC North of having to
play those, they don't have to play the Lions, the
Packers of the Vikings, like that's going to be the
other three teams in that division that are playing those,
you know.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
But they have to stay healthy and they haven't been
able to do that. They have to overcome injuries to
their best guys. Rock Party has done an incredible job
of playing quarterback with a cast that's constantly moving in
and out. I mean credit to him. Maybe that's why
they love him so much, because he could just make
things happen in a way that I've only seen Philip

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Rivers be able to do.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
You Rockabola, you can rock them behind them.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
We got to ask them. But yeah, if they stay healthy,
I mean, sure, the Niners could probably win this division.
But I got no faith in that. I got no
faith in their training staff keeping those guys on the field.
It's the schedules an interesting thing because I didn't know that.
I didn't realize they had the easiest.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, it's wild too to think about, just like Christian McCaffrey,
I mean that experiment. Obviously, the Niners traded for him
like two years ago, like he had a full career.
It felt like in Carolina, like he's twenty nine and
you know, normally you don't see speed guys like that lasting.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
You get to thirty, it's over.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, So you know, I think that's probably the biggest
piece of me, especially with Debo gone. Yuke's not going
to be ready to go at the beginning of the year,
like they're banking on Kittle, and yeah, it's gonna be
a big Christian McCaffrey, like carrying that offense.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah, and I don't want to give you my entire lineup,
but Kittle is on my team as well for all
the reasons you just named. I think Kittle gets the volume.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Well, he's good. He's good for like two games a
season where he gets like three touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
But I, well, I'll take those. But I also think
he's going to be a volume guy all season because
I think he's just gonna have to be. So I'm
I put a lot of I did this year with
Kittle what I was hoping last year was going to
be with Kelsey as far as my strategy.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah. Meanwhile, in the Beer Hazy rounds, I think I
just picked the tight end that was at the top
of my sheet. It was available, Yeah, and then I
think I was pretty mad about it later on. Did
you fall asleep with the draft or that's that's unsubstantiated.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
All right, we'll see what's happened there. All right, Well,
that only leaves the Rams.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
That leaves the Rams winning the division. And this is
also assuming injury luck because you're hoping that Stafford plays
the whole season.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Was he debating retiring I feel like he was.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
So he wasn't debating retiring, but he was looking for
a last payday, okay, because remember he was threatening to
hold out, That's what it was, because he wanted additional time.
But at the end of that contractor so they gave
him permission to go seek a trade and then yeah,
then they came to terms pretty quickly after that was.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Going to take Matt Stafford. At this point, he's done
it all. It's over. You know, it's either you give
it one last run with the Rams because you're comfortable,
which that's the best spot for him.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
It is.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
It is just the best spot for him.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
It's it's so tough because you know, you you kind
of mentioned earlier the AFC's your bread and butter. You
you you're used to those teams where I'm used to
the NFC as somebody that Vikings playing the Lions with Stafford,
like I always dissed and poop pooed on Stafford, Like
I felt like Stafford Cousins was like that they're on

(53:53):
that same tier. Yeah, So it irks me to no
end that he went to this Rams situation, which is
perfect for him, coach, perfect for him, like the Cooper cups,
Puka Nikua's like perfect for him, and then he won
that championship, and now it's just like, God, he still
annoys me. He's annoying, but I can't I can't make
an argument. I can't tell you what's the straight face

(54:14):
that he's in the same category as a Kirk Cousins anymore.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I enjoyed watching him on Thanksgiving Day with the Lions.
I thought he was a big enough star quarterback to
be like, all right, the Lions could win today, even
on those bad teams.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Well, you know, especially those bad teams when it was
just him and Calvin Johnson's and it was just like.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Just airing it out.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, Colvin's gonna go for one hundred and eighty and
two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Because they're going to put on a show for the
biggest audience they're going to have all season on Thanksgiving Day.
I really enjoyed that. Now he's with the Rams, I
don't enjoy watching him because it's a perfect fit for him,
and he's just annoying his head and.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You're just probably you're probably reminded of the Rams so
much when you see the Charger Stadium and just thinking
about the fact that you know, you guys are just
kind of roommates. Yeah, it's their roommates. But the Rams
got the master bedroom with the attached bathroom.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, we're like cohabitating right now, and it's annoying. So
like Forbes, he always does like the evaluations at the
beginning NFL season like most, and it's like the Chargers
completely ditched their fan base and went to LA to
continue to be one of the bottom valued teams in
the NFL. Like, what are you doing? You're in La.

(55:28):
They just they completely botched that whole thing. What a mess?
What a mess. So now the only thing they can
do is win a Super Bowl to change that. I
mean that's just there they did and everything else they
could do. Now, you go win a Super Bowl, it
changes everything. But you don't, and you just continue to
be the Chargers. So it just sucks.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I was enjoyed, Uh did you bring that up? I
always enjoyed the Bill Simmons when he'd write about when
he moved to LA from the Northeast, and he was
just like, they'll never support a football team because there's
just you can still go to the beach in December,
Like they don't need to go to live and die
off of a football team, Like but San Diego would

(56:08):
live and die for that team. They love that team LA.
I mean, if anybody's making headway there, it's the Rams,
who already had the history in the La Metro.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, the you had that, they have, the Lakers, the
history with the Lakers. I mean, they're just there's just
teams that they're You just look if you really looked
at all of the big brands, the big teams that
LA is supposedly supposed to root for. There's a lot
already before you added the Rams and the Chargers, because

(56:38):
you've got UCLA, USC, the Clippers, the Lakers, the Dodgers,
like the Angels, the Kings. You just go on and on,
and I haven't even got into the women's teams. Like,
there's just so many teams. And then you added the
Rams and the Chargers and the lot and most of
them still root for the Raiders. So then what do

(56:59):
you do with that? What a mess? Anyways, I digress.
You would talk about the North and you want to
save them for last.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
I think we should probably save them for last. I
have a feeling that we might go along on.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Yeah, all right, let's talk about the East.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
So East, no surprise. Number four I've got the Giants.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Probably no different than last year, right there, just kind
of be the Giants.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Russell Wilson, Yeah, I mean he's I still think he's fun.
Do you still find him fun to watch?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
No? But I never really enjoyed him.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Okay, because I really enjoyed him in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
I he from the time that he played with Wisconsin
and one of the most embarrassing Husker losses came his hands.
And then it seemed like the Vikings would always draw
that and those defenses this would be like the Jared Allen,
Kevin Williams, you know defenses, and they would can him

(58:01):
except for like three plays. There'd be like three plays
where he'd just be like running figure eights in the
backfield and all of a sudden he would throw the
perfect spiral to somebody thirty yards down the field and
it's just like, this play doesn't work unless he's able
to extend it to a fifteen second play against one
of the best pass rushes that we've like. It just

(58:22):
seemed like he was always good for just those pulling
it out of his butt yeah type of plays. So
it was so frustrating the year the Vikings Stadium fell,
the old Metrodome got too much snow on it and
the ceiling collapse. That was when we played the coldest
playoff game, and that was against Russell Wilson, And that

(58:43):
was another one where it was just there was only
one touchdown score by Seattle and it came out of
nowhere third quarter, the only play that we weren't in
position to stop.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Do you have fond memories of that season? I know
the end was brutal, that that game was on it own,
just heartbreaking because of all the circumstances, But do you
have fun memories of that season? Because it's like Brett
Farv and you get the It was just interesting how
the dome collapse from all the snow, and then there
was still the excitement from being the NFC Championship game

(59:16):
leadyear before, and then you know the last run with
Farv and then you've got those that that Monday night
football game on a Tuesday. I don't know. There was
just so many moments from that year. Randy Moss was
that the year Randy Moss came back to the Vikings.
Like Yo, there was so many moments from that season.
How do you now my way past it? How do

(59:37):
you like remember it.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
And I do. I remember the just the circus, Yeah,
Like it was exciting to have your team be the
most exciting because I topic on every single show.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I vividly remember the week to week of that season,
just like what's next?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
This is awesome?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
No you don't remember?

Speaker 2 (59:59):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Okay, all right, the Giants at the bottom. We can
both agree on that. The next one's probably if it's me,
it's the Cowboys. I picked the Cowboys. I think you're
gonna say Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I got the Commanders at this next five.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Oh that's a big drop back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yeah, oh boy, I just don't. We kind of talked
about this of the AFC episode of just if you're
looking at the team and what's improved and what's declined,
Like I think the example that we gave was Denver,
and everybody's just like, well, their defense is going to
be even better? All right with their defense was already
like it was already great, So how do you project

(01:00:40):
like that it's going to be better? And so that's
the tough part for me with the Commanders is Jane
Daniels electric highest, like the fourth down conversion rate that
they did last year highest it's ever been in the NFL.
Do we think that that's going to continue? Do we
think that they're still going to be able to pull
those wins out? Like think of the Bears the Phail

(01:01:02):
Mary where the guys like yelling at the crowd and
out of position and ends up like batting the ball
into The Commanders needed that, like to win that game.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
That changed their entire momentum, Like you know, do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
We expect them to or the Chiefs we said, like
do we expect them to win those close games again?
And good point, this is another team that I think
kind of fits into that mold of last year. Coming
into the season, nobody was talking about the Commanders like
they didn't have depth of talent anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
They caught everybody by surprise, and they they showed out
to be pretty exciting at times, like to your point,
look what it took to beat the Bears, And yeah,
you got to expect them to really to take a
next step really pound Bears, and I don't know if
they could.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
And so that's where it's just like, all right, are
we fooling ourselves into thinking like, hey, this will be
a top twelve offense again this year? I mean, their
big addition was bringing in Debo. What's I mean, what's
he got left? You know, they re signed Terry McLaurin,
which I think was the right move. But he's not

(01:02:11):
He's not a spring chicken. He's not you know, a
fourth or fifth year wide receiver. He's been in the
league for eight years now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
But he's a guy they were probably counting on going
into the year. Hey do you need that production? So yeah,
resigning him and not having being forced into a trade
situation that was big.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
So that a lot of these reasons are why I
have the Commanders a little bit lower.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
So I've got to think now the Cowboys, Yes, because
there's no chance you've got the Eagles at the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Okay, yeah, yeah, no, I put the Cowboys in here,
and I'm probably I think Dak's a good quarterback. I
think ce d Lamb is a good wide receiver. Yeah,
I think Pickens could be an improvement there, but I think,
I mean, Dak being healthy is going to be the
big variable. Now. Obviously losing Parsons is going to hurt
that defense, but they've still got a really really good secondary.

(01:03:01):
They still match up, you know, pretty well with a
lot of teams and I think with that offense you
can bank on it. So I'm probably going a little
bit more with I'll take the veteran Dak over. You know,
Jaydon Daniels getting doing even better than he did last year,
last run with dak if I mean, if the Cowboys

(01:03:22):
missed the playoffs, I think you could make that argument. Yeah,
you can't tell me that Jerry Jones didn't make that
trade of Parsons to get those two number ones without thinking, hey,
I've got four number one picks now in the next
two years. Is that enough to get you know, if well,

(01:03:43):
assuming Arch Manning looks better than he did on Saturday,
is that enough?

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
You know Arch is gonna be Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
What other team do we have? Also, it's like this
where it's just like you're looking at Jerry Jones and
you're like, how many years does he have left? I know,
like he needs to win? Like now, yeah, there aren't
very many other NFL teams here, just like oh this
owners get Like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Did you watch that Cowboys doc on Netflix?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I haven't. I haven't yet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
You really need to. It's so good, it's very It
just reminds me of that bullstock that that got us
through COVID in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
So good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
But Jerry, you can just see that energy of the
nineties he had in his eyes and then now you
know he wants it. You can see in the interviews
now he wants it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
But oh, I mean he's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Old, he's tired, he's been through it. You know. It's uh, well,
it happens to all of us. It's gonna happen to
all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
It's it's got a big parallel to to like the Yankees,
like when Steinbrenner passed, that's great, and his son took
over like his son doesn't spend like the fathers, And
I know that That's one thing that they pointed out too,
is that Jones's son has taken over more and more
responsibility and he's very like fiscally could like he's not

(01:04:59):
wanting Michael Irving, he's not wanting to make like big splashes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
What do you think he's been worrieding about the padres
with Peter Sidler, who's willing to write the check for
what it takes. And then he dies and then his
brothers are like, hey, we have to run a business here,
and I'm like, oh no, you doubt the business comes
when you win. It all will come when you win.
I will buy so much merch just win.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I mean we've already if they committed to you know,
I'm going to be dropping a couple of g's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Just just win. Yeah. But anyway, Yeah, that's so true, Jerry,
on a different level than the Suns, because the Suns
they what have they got thirty years they hope to
have running this thing. So yeah, they they're playing the
long game for sure. All right, Well that leaves the Eagles,
which we're talking about the world champs. You got to

(01:05:50):
figure they're going to run it, try to run it back.
That's tough to do because the schedule's tough. They're everybody's
favorite to win. There's Vegas is favorite to win the
Super Bowl. Had you agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
I don't think that they're I wouldn't put them as
my favorite to win the Super Bowl. I do think
that the AFC teams that we went through yesterday, I mean,
I think Buffalo and the Ravens would be a lot
tougher outs for Philly than the Chiefs were last year
in the Super Bowl. I do think that they're the

(01:06:26):
best team in the NFC.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Top down best team.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Ye. Yeah, I put them above the Lions. Yeah, and
obviously I mean they're Rams and the Falcons by the
division winners. Yeah, I just don't they So they're going
to have to prove it here in the regular season
two because you know, we kind of talked about those
other divisions they're playing. They play the NFC North, so
they'll play all three of the NFC North's teams, and

(01:06:51):
they also play the AFC West, so they're also going
to be playing the Chargers, the Broncos, and the Chiefs.
So like, if there was an argument to be made
that hey, they're they're gonna fall off or that they
won't get you know, number one seed, I think that
that's it. Is that all right? You know those six
teams that I just listed off, you know they go

(01:07:11):
three and three on those. I mean that might be
enough room for Hey, if the Commanders are better than
they were last year, or if the Cowboys the Cowboys,
or you know, it could lead to you know, the
Lions or another team just having that record and pushing
them on the number one seed. And I mean that's
such an advantage there really is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
The Eagles last season, you wouldn't say we're world beaters
from the get No. They turned into a really good
team that just got hot at the end, and then
it was just matchup wise, they were the better squad
every time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
And we're only I mean coming into last year if
we like I feel like, if we went back and
listened to this episode last year, we might have put
Siriani hot seat and said that he's probably like a
coach that could get fired midseason. But they were bad
two years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Believe that. And actually, if we were to actually go back,
I've had this idea, I'll just I'll pitch this idea,
so now it's out in the world and somebody could
take it. But I've had this idea. Or we do
a podcast for a year. We'll do it fifty two weeks,
We'll do fifty two episodes but not air them, and
then the next year we start to air them a

(01:08:23):
year later, and you could go back and listen to
last year's news events from that week you get what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Yeah, and just be like, when did that happen? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
And if that was the if we had actually done
this pod and we were listening to it, because I
distinctly remember Syriana having to like defend himself. Remember he
had his kids up at the press conference after the
WHO and they were like, you're using the presses like
you're using your kids to as a shield and all
this stuff. And he was under some pressure. He was

(01:08:55):
under some pressure. And then they made a trade. Was
it the Aj Brown Trader?

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Was that the year? Uh? No, Yeah, they've had Aj
for I know they made.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
A trade and then and then things started to roll. Yeah,
but there he was under some He was under some
pressure there early on, and I remember his kids being
a thing that the press wasn't happy about and whatnot.
But if we did that, Pod, I know we would.
This is something we would have talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
It's one of those things too where that they the
Eagles have kind of moved into. You know, we both
get I think excited for the draft. You know, at
least watch like the first night. But it's kind of wild,
just like they've become that new team that everybody gushes
over there like draft picks, and it is I mean
it's pretty I mean Roseman like he's very very good

(01:09:41):
like what he does, but it does feel like we
give everybody that he picks or any players like the
benefit of the doubt. Oh yeah, but I think so
they're bringing back and I don't have this in front
of me, but I believe that bringing back most of
their offense. But they've got like seven tributors like on
defense that have all left. Like their secondary is not

(01:10:03):
that great.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
They signed a running back or we signed a running
back that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
So that's Barkley. Yeah, yeah, I think I think you're
kind of projecting out that that offense is probably going
to have to be a top tier offense again.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
And I don't want to be a hater, but Barkley
is not going to have as good a season this
year as he did last.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
No, I think that's just yeah, that's Kerry count that's math.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
That's just how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Yeah. Yeah. Plus I don't have him on my fantasy team,
So I mean, if one of us had on our
fantasy team, you know, we might give him the benefit
of the doubt, might give him a benefit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I just want to say, you mentioned Draft night. We
spent it at Hooters watching the first round. That was fun,
So shout out Hooters. If we want to do some
kind of like sponsorship dealers, we we're down. But no,
we we spent out Hooters. That was fun and it
was fun to see other people in the restaurant with

(01:10:56):
like their team. It was not it was interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
It was a very eclectic like group there was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Yeah, so that's always fun and you can get around
people all the teams and because normally you go into
any place like that and it's like specifically, all right,
you're wearing Viking stuff because we're probably watching Vikings game. No,
I'm wearing charge of stuff. Yeah, the Chargers are part playing.
But this was like, it was pretty random. It's draft night,
there's thirty two possibilities, so so it was it was
a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
My cousin, one of my cousins, lives in Fargo, North Dakota, big,
big Vikings fan, but he went to the draft and
the reason I kind of thought about this the draft
this last year was at Lambeau. Yeah, and so he
sent a snapchat of kind of him doing the like
three sixty to show like the big screens, and I
just I laughed so hard when I saw it because

(01:11:44):
it was just this Packers fan like right in front
of him, just nonchalantly like doing the like flip off
like while like scratching his head like the entire time,
and it's just it's just like, that's hats off to you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Good sportsman.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
I love that every time. You know, we don't need
to get physical. I don't need kicked in the sins,
all right, chiefs fans, I don't need kicked on the
shens and that when I'm in line at the porter potty.
But little finger fingers here and there when you're doing
the pictures. That's fun. You were talking about. Oh we're
just you're talking about Fargo. Just one quick thing about

(01:12:19):
your your vacation. You were just on you were playing
black jack. You play black jacket in the bars. You
didn't talk about this last episode when we were talking
about your vacation. I find that so fascinating. Was it
the same type of vibe as in when you were
in a casino? Was it different altogether?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Like I mean, these are just like regular bar, but
they have like two like blackjack tables, like just just
sucked into the back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
So is there like a dealer sitting waiting like at
the casino or do you have to go to the
bar and be like I'd like to play black chain.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
There was there was a so that's the thing. The
bar itself cannot run the game, so it's charity. It's
all charitable.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Okay, So I get it now because you were saying, sure,
I thought that just the proceeds went to them, but
they're running the table.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
They're running the table, So yeah, the bar can't run it.
So the bar can't run its own gambling.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
So it could only open from from this time to
this time. Then, I mean, it can't be open.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
So most of the places that I've you know, I've
only been to a handful of them that have it.
You know, I haven't been to every bar in RD
to kind of say that this is like normal, but most.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Of the one something you want to do, are we
hitting every bar?

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
I mean, this this could be our fifty two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
This could be the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
We could we could each week, we could do a
different North Dakota bar. We might need to move to
North Dakota.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I think we're I think I think we're moving.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
But most of them, it felt like, would have kind
of like a pit boss type person and they like
two people that would rotate in and out, so you
kind of have the dealer that was gone, the pit
boss that's kind of paying attention, you know, garden the chips,
watching that stuff, and then you'd have another person and
they would rotate, you know, every thirty minutes or so.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Okay, so when you're when you're in a casino.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
I did a lot of gesturing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
It's a I know, this is why we need to
get the video going so people could see the arms moving.
This is an episode that maybe needs to be animated
so that they the cartoon is just a just a
flailing like a little wavy tube man. He's just kind
of moving like that. Kind of funny. So at a casino,
the vibes. You can run a table one hundred vibes.

(01:14:24):
It's not always about the cards. The dealer can change
the vibe, like when a good dealer you're rolling and
then it goes a break and then the new dealer
comes up, the break dealer, and then it's just flying
through guards and you're like, I gotta.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I haven't run into any turbo dealers, all right. And
also there's limits on the tables, so I want I
want to say that the ones that I went to,
they you couldn't bet more than twenty five dollars on
a hand.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Okay, all right, so there's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
So it's like and a lot of them were like
two or three dollars tables. Yeah, So I mean, which
to me is awesome. That is awesome because that means
that I could bring, you know, two hundred bucks and
I could probably play for a long long time. Probably
the reason that we didn't talk about it is because
I did not win, and I did not play for

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a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
I did not play for a long time. Okay, So yeah,
normally when you come back with a big win story,
I mean, it's legend all right. We got one division left.
It is the most important one. It is the NFC North.
We already know you're Vikings fans, so we already know
they won't be at the bottom. But the town on
the field proves that as well. I got it, and

(01:15:35):
I got a hunch the Bears are going to be the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Team in the Yeah, Johnny, can we get some applause?

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
And yeah, Johnny, come on, give it something, Johnny. Can
I just give a shout out to Johnny real quick?
This guy again, This guy, he he's available anytime we
need him. He is willing to sit and listen to
everything that we say and just make sure he never
speaks up. He never speaks out of turn. He's a

(01:16:05):
great producer. In fact, I would say he's one of
the best in the industry. He is somebody that, when
it's all said and done with, laugh with me. He
is somebody that is under valued and underappreciated in this industry,
in this business. So I just want to give credit
where credit's due to Johnny for his producing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
This is a because I think in episode one hundred,
I don't think you mentioned him at all. Yeah, even
though he's been there since episode one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
He has and sometimes sometimes it's about me. Can I
just put that out there?

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Well, there was also a good like dozen episodes I
feel like where he was pretty close to losing his job.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
He really was. I did actually have a different producer
for a few episodes, and I brought him back because
he's core. You know, I need him. I need him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Oh had to wait eighty three episodes to get his
first gratitude in the first one hundred Here we are,
Here we Are episode.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
I do hope to hear that someday he'll earn the
right to be able to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
That day's not today, No, I mean with this animated
series coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
So I will will he show up on the animated
series before he speaks on the podcast I have?

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
I have the answer to that, and I will say
Johnny does make an appearance in episode one of Laugh
with Me the animated series. He is actually in episode one.
So the answer to that is, yes, Johnny makes an appearance.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
So, I mean, let's be honest, who's better looking animated
between me and Johnny?

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
All right, here's what I'm gonna do, because I'm pretty
sure I took a picture of like a screenshot up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Won't you just say me?

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
I'm gonna let you decide.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Oh yeah, the year better look?

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
All right, yeah, just some questionable style decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Style yeah, okay, all right, Well there's Johnny yeap, So
he is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
So that? Yeah, I forgot that he had the broccoli
hair like that for a while he did.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Yeah, there you go. That's a little Johnny.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
So go back to football.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
We're talking about the NFC nor the Bears trash what
So do you like? Do you like Caleb Williams? Like
do you think he's going to be the quarterback next year?
As like, all right, he's our guy, let's move forward.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
I mean, I do I think that he's he's somebody.
I feel like it's going to be kind of like
Trevor Lawrence. We talked about, ye, hey he's got a
really long leash because we knew coming into the league
that hey, he was going to be super you know, talented. Now,
the report's coming out of training camp preseason, all those

(01:19:02):
like not real positive. No, it does not sound like,
you know, Ben Jhonson the new head coach, It does
not sound like he's having a great time installing this
Detroit offense in.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Isn't it interesting because the report's coming out of it
last season was that he was going to be a
world beater and look out for the Bears. Because I
bought into it. I'm like, well, the Bears are real,
Like I love Kileplins. And then Week one I instantly
was like I was so wrong, Like on this very podcast,
I was preaching the Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
And I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
It's so weird how it flipped from one year to
the next.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Well, and so we brought up the Commander's Game, you know,
that was the Bears were four and two at that
point and they won one more game for the rest
of the season where the Commanders that was like the
first one where it was just like holding on. They're like,
you know, so maybe there is a bizarre world where

(01:19:59):
all of a sudden it all comes together, like they
win that game like they should have, and it all
comes together for Kleb and we're sitting here like, oh
they were eight and night.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Yeah, they could win the division.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
They could win the division, like because they do have
I mean, they've got o'doonsay, they've got DJ Moore, like,
they've got talent on that offensive side, they've got a
talented defense. Their defense is good, like they should be
a team that plays competitive in that division.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
So over under six and a half wins.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
So they're playing the AFC North and the NFC East,
So I think I'm gonna go under.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Okay, Okay, I actually the number actually is six and
a half for them, and I'm pretty sure the favorite
on the betting right now was under, So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
It just I mean, they've got six games the Lions, Packers,
and Bikings, and they did take one from the Packers
last year, yes they did so, but they got swept
by the Vikings and the Lions. And it's probably pretty
safe to say there's gonna be some more losses that
are in there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Well, it gets interesting once you get past the Bears,
because I am going to just assume you and I
are on the same page that Detroit's the favorite to
win the division. I mean they are forced to be
reckoned with right now, which leaves the Packers and the Vikings.
A week ago, I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Know what my answer was, I had a different right now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
What do you think right now with after the big
trade that the Packers had, how do you get sitting.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
So right now, I've got the Vikings sitting at that
number three spot, and that's I think. Yeah, a week
a week ago, I had the Vikings over I think
I had the Vikings over there, and I was I
was upset about basically, I mean, the Packers are getting
a lot of love, Like they're getting so much love
out there, and it's no pun intended with their quarterback

(01:22:02):
also being then, But that was that's a That's a
tough one to figure out for me, because last year
the Packers went one in five in the division. They
lost to the Eagles, like they lost to every playoff
team that they faced in the regular season. So to
say that, hey, the Packers are going to win the

(01:22:23):
division all right, what's changed on their lineup that's going
to cause them to win it? All right? So you
know they bring in a lot of draft buzz about them.
Matthew Golden, yep, all right. Well, I mean they had
their big the notes that we probably had last year
for these guys were that they have like three number
two wide receivers yep.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
And that didn't change.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Yeah, that didn't change. And I don't know that Golden
moves that needle. Maybe maybe he is a world beater,
but like wide receivers is the same as every other position.
We don't know going in if they're going to be
a great wide receiver, if they're going to be a
bad one. You know, the famous one with Jefferson was
like the fourth wide receiver taken in his class. Yeah,

(01:23:04):
and can but you don't know. And I mean the
Packers have been living in that same world where they've
been picking a lot of these wide receivers in day two.
Hey I love this pick, well, all right, but he
doesn't turn into like what you want. So it was
really tough for me to see them making this big
swing where all of a sudden they were beating Yeah,
maybe you beat the Vikings with like a rookie quarterback,

(01:23:24):
maybe you know, you steal one from Detroit. But where
did they prove that they could do that last year?
And they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
They did not.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
But obviously, I mean bringing in Parsons h makes a difference.
It makes a difference, and it like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
That was my thing a week ago. I was saying,
what did they possibly do that would tell me they're different?
And I did like their draft as well, and I
like their change of direction because they don't always draft offense.
You know, I don't know why I said offense like that,
but I did say it. I was hoping you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
You'd call that out but I'm too offended.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Yeah, but there was nothing there. Then they make this
trade for Michael Parsons. I'm like, ah, right, that's a
move that thirty one other teams didn't make. Like that's
a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Yeah. And I mean, like the analytics on Parsons showed, like,
I mean, he has had like the best win percentages
against like those left tackles, Like he has had an impact. Honestly,
looking at some of the ESPN science and I'm using
quotations around science, but like seeing those win percentages, it

(01:24:34):
kind of reminded me of like the talk around like
a Dominkance sue right where it's just like, hey, this
guy is so physical that you pretty much have to
put two offensive linemen on him every single time. And
so it does become kind of a force multiplier when
you can put somebody at the top of your rush
pecking order, because then that means that, hey, your second

(01:24:55):
best rusher now doesn't have to face a double team,
or your guy you work ounting on going into the season,
he's now going to have more free looks. The defensive
tackles are going to have more free looks. Like that
is going to help on every level, because I don't
think that the Packers, I mean, they're their defense two
years ago was bad. Their defense last year was okay,

(01:25:17):
but they're I mean their secondary has I mean, here
Alexander's gone. Like their secondary is not the world beaters you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Were telling me, because to your point, you know, you
want to get better in every phase of the game
every season. You want to see improvement. To your point,
you were telling me, the Vikings, if we're a top twenty,
top twenty five defense this season, we're a playoff team,
like we're that's good enough because the offense is going
to be Yeah, Brent Butter, right now, the Packers just

(01:25:47):
took what was a mediocre to okay defense to what
could now be maybe a pretty good one. Yeah, that's
the difference. You think that's enough to make the jump
where it's like, all right, we have a clear two.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Yeah, and I do, because I mean the argument for
the Packers being a playoff team, of the argument for
them making that big jump is just, hey, Love was
hobbled at the beginning of last season. He's healthy. Now
he's got golden he's improved his wide receiver corp. They
still got Josh Jacobs, like you, great running back, good
offensive line, so you know, you get those pass rushers

(01:26:29):
like in there, and it really plays well to taking
some of that stress off of the offense. And hey,
if that offense can get off to a fast start,
I mean, look at what the Vikings did last year
with like the Flores's defense. Well, how many of those
games did the Vikings come out and score ten to
fourteen points? They had a lead in the first quarter,

(01:26:50):
and then that pass rush could just pin its ears
back and just rush the quarterback. So you can make
that argument here with Green Bay that hey, one hundred percent,
he's going to help cover up their bad you know,
their okay secondary just with that additional pass rush.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Now, there was a report that came out today from
Adam Schefter that said that Micah Parsons is going to
need some kind of like injection or something for pain management,
and he's gonna need it possibly as early as like
week one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
I mean, this fits with Packers culture. I mean, they
got a lot of druggies, they got a lot of
problems with drugs at that team.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Did you watch the Brett Favre?

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
That is what I was referencing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
I love it, a lot of a lot of that's
funny Midwest babe.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Moral weakness on that team, Yeah, I don't see how
anybody could truly be a fan.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
And well, the Packers and the Vikings, It truly is
a story of the trade. So the Vikings are probably
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
So I've got the Vikings as that that third Yeah,
and it's probably, I mean, it makes sense. It's it's
all about that uncertainty at the quarterback position. Do I
think that? And maybe this kind of goes into our other
conversations of just hey, do you buy the spike right,
you know, the offense is not going to be better
than it was last year. Like I I there's there's

(01:28:12):
no if I saw a breakdown that was kind of
talking about your your friend of the pod Justin Herbert.
He has the best rookie seasons of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
He's dating Madison Beers. Now, are you familiar. No, he's
doing okay, B B E R like Beers like b
E E R s.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
He's a guy like from the family that invented beer.
I mean, that's that's big catch.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
That's impressive. Yeah, he's a guy. You know, he's an
eligible bachelor. He's living in southern California. He's got that
wavy hair. He's QB one on America's favorite team. I mean,
look at this guy. He's living. He's love and life
and he loves chess. He's become a huge chess player.
That was actually how they got outed as a cup

(01:29:00):
as there was a picture of them together at a
chess tournament in La.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Do you so you've played chess before?

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
I have against you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Do you think that you could beat Herbert?

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
I don't think so, so thank you for the honest.
A year ago, he was not a chess player, and
at training camp one of his linemen or some one
of his teammates challenged him and he got beat. And
he has dedicated the last year to becoming like an
expert at chess, and he goes to tournaments and so he's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Like, really, okay, yeah, as opposed to us that would
play like once a year on.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Yeah, yeah, we're a different breed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
But he became a spectator sport at the New Year's
parties just because like your wife Kyle Kyle also, like
they would watch and they would just be like, you
guys are so dumb, like this is really like yeah,
they would just criticize both of our playing. I'm just like,
are you just trying to make this the longest game?

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
We're just sit there chatting while we're No, he wants
to become like the player. But anyway, I digress.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
So he had one of the best rookie seasons of
all time. Okay, he did not have Donald numbers from
last year. You know, Donald had thirty eight touchdowns, right,
So I think it's it's a fool's Errand to say
that McCarthy's going to come in and sure have and
do that if he's Justin Herbert. I think the Vikings

(01:30:23):
are like a static.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
If he's just In Herbert, the Vikings are Super Bowl contenders.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Yeah, yeah, you know, because the Vikings have made They
picked up a center and a right guard that were
both like top of the lists this year. They're getting
back Darrisaw, their their stud left tackle. Like they should
have a much better offensive line. They've got wide receivers.
Well after Week three, they've got a wide receiver room

(01:30:50):
that's probably best in the division, ye arguably.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Best in football. I mean they're just stacked.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Yeah, so you have a lot of that stuff going
you have. They brought in Jordan Mason from the forty
nine ers to be that secondary.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Back, and I think that's an underappreciated move. I like
him a lot, and he's a good fit for Minnesota
too for what they do. I think he's gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
And then on the defensive side, I mean you've got
that same type of defense. You've got Flores coming back.
He's still toxic, you know, from sueing the league and all,
but he's feisty.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Yeah so, I mean he's gutsy, He's going out there, dudes, job,
He's not worried about other things, not worried about the
next job, because he only has this one right now.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
And that's so when you know, you compare the Vikings
to the Packers, I mean the uncertainty is McCarthy like,
can he step in and do that? Because it's the
same way that I said, like, hey, the Packers defense
wants to play with the lead. They want that offense
to give them the lead. They want to send Parsons

(01:31:56):
in there to bowl rush them. That's the same thing
Flora's defense wants. So if you say, like, hey, the
wheels are going to come off the biking season this year,
it's because that offense isn't scoring regularly enough and Flores's
defense is having to deal with more rushing and they're
not able to take on the quarterback. They're not able
to beat ballhawks and intercept and go for fumbles and

(01:32:16):
do all the fun stuff that made him so watchable
last year. Like that's how the season could go back.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
So normally I like to take the opposite approach of
you and then like debate you because we just that's
what we do, right, You and I were just ingrained me.
But I'm going to agree with you and back you
back up that with something the JJ McCarthy we're just talking.
I forget what quarterback we were talking about, but I
think there's value to quarterback sitting for a while and

(01:32:45):
just watching the NFL happen around him, so we can
learn and get and the game can slow down for him. Well,
he unfortunately had that for him last season because of
the injury, so he spent an entire season learning the
game from the sideline knowing he's not going to be
on the field. I think there's value to that. So
I think that's gonna help. But here's why the whole
season hinges on him. Last season or last season, the

(01:33:08):
Vikings eighty percent of their scoring came through the air.
If JJ McCarthy isn't the guy, yeah, they're screwed. So
I'm backing up what you're saying. It all hinges on
JJ McCarthy because that defense needs to be playing with
the lead and that offense needs scoring to happen through
the air, and it did last year. And if this

(01:33:30):
guy isn't the guy, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
My, they said JJ McCarthy is the first quarterback taken
in the last in the first round the last twenty
five years that did not take like a single snap. Yeah,
I believe that in the regular season. I believe it
so every other like even Mahomes. Mahomes sat for a year,
but he still took snaps like you know. But yeah,
not being able to practice, not being able to do that,

(01:33:54):
and I know, I mean the puff piece writers, you
know for ESPN al that I mean they've focused on Hey,
McCarthy was doing notes for the QB room him and
him and O'Connell still had their weekly meeting where he
would get tested on the playbook that he would do this.
You know, Darnald wore VR goggles for like certain like
or VR on his helmet and McCarthy was able to

(01:34:16):
see what he was seeing. But again, none of that
is a substitution.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
There's not the real pressure being hit and slammed in
the ground. But not real pressure. If you don't get
the rid of the ball right now, you know the
drive's over. I mean, yeah, nothing substitute's the real thing.
But to be able to have the headset on, listen
to everything happening, get the familiarity with that, to be
in those meetings and learn because sometimes there's the pressure

(01:34:43):
of all right, I have to work and I'm working
and I'm the starting quarterback on any of the field,
and I'm worried about eight different things. But when you're
just sitting there learning, you know, like when you're an engineer,
you're in class learning how to be an engineer. You're
not out building buildings, you know. And so I think
there's something to that, I think, and I hope he

(01:35:05):
I hope it shows because I do think it worked
for Carson Palmer.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
That's who it was.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
You were talking about Carson Palmer with the Bengals back in
the day. They wouldn't let him step on the field
that first year, and I thought that was awesome. He
hated it, but then he had a great career.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
I thought there was something to that. But anyway, the Vikings,
I feel like they've got everything in front of them.
It just falls on that quarterback position and see what happens.
The Lions, they're the favorites to win the division, as
they should be. They're in that window. Jared Goff's a stud.

(01:35:42):
Do you not like Jared Goff.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
I'm not a huge Jared.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Goff h but yeah, he's good for this system.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
YEP. I mean there was a reason that the Rams
traded him out for.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Stafford, but it has worked out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
For the Lions. Yeah, so we'll see. I mean that
the Lions can kind of keep that that offensive magic
that they have with the previous.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Because Evans at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Yeah, they lost both their coordinators, so they lost their OC,
they lost their DC here this last year.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
So to me, that puts all the pressure on the
head coach. Yes, at this point. Anybody who has a culture,
anybody who has a system that's built strong enough, which
every head coach says they have, right, that's why they
get hired. Anybody who has it, you're gonna get guys.
They're going to promoted out next one comes in. This
is our system. If he's right and it works, they're

(01:36:30):
gonna they're gonna be They're gonna win the division. They're
gonna be Super Bowl contenders. Again. If he's wrong, this
thing implodes fast.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
So this is a big this is a big do
or die season for the Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
So and it's it's wild to think about the fact
that so the Lions last year had the worst injury
luck on defense. They lost more starters, more players last
year on defense than any other team in the NFL,
but their offense was one of the healthiest in the NFL.

(01:37:05):
So they lost, like, I mean, David Montgomery was probably
their biggest injury and he was the second string running back.
So you would think that their defense would be healthier
this season, that their defense should be able to hold
it together. But you know, I mean, you would expect
that offense is probably going to have more hurdles to
go through with a new offensive coordinator, and can they

(01:37:26):
keep keep that going?

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I am actually when it's just
looking at the talent, looking at the teams, and it's like,
all right, Lions, Yeah, they're going to win that division.
They're Super Bowl connenditors. This is it. But then when
you like deep dive into it and it's like, oh,
they lost both coordinators and that's a big red flag.
Because the head coach is still new ish. We haven't
seen this from him yet, we haven't seen the big

(01:37:48):
flip of his assistant. So yeah, this is exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
And we've mentioned earlier in this episode. You know, forty
nine ers easiest schedule, right, they're playing the last place schedule,
So the Lions have the toughest schedule in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
Makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
So, I mean, in addition to having two games each
against the Packers, Vikings, and Bears in their own division,
they've got the Eagles, they've got the Rams, they've got
the Bucks. They play the AFC North, so they've got
the Ravens, the Bengals, the Steelers. They play the East,
so they'll also have Commanders and Cowboys in there, like

(01:38:25):
they've got a full dance card.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
So hear me out? Are the Lions A team then
makes the playoffs but as a wild card, and Vikings
jump ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
I do think, I mean, so the Vikings became they
made history for having the most wins fourteen win team
to be wild card. I would say, I don't see
any team in the NFC North winning more than twelve games.
I think twelve's probably like the top that any of
these ken can go. But yeah, I think that it's
within the realm of possibility that you could have an

(01:38:58):
eleven win team. When this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
All right, so we've got Lions winning the North, Falcons
winning the South, Rams winning the West, and the Eagles
winning the East. Not talking wild cards, would you say
the winner out of the NFC is probably gonna be
a division winner? Do you think a wild card can
take that right now, if you're looking at it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
I mean, it would be tough like not to take
the chalk pick of the Eagles just because they've got
they've got the least amount of unknowns, like I think.
I mean, I think, yeah, the winner of the Lions
packers and vikings, Like if one of those teams comes
up head and shoulders above that rest of that division,
I mean think you could make the argument that, hey,

(01:39:44):
they'll be NFC champion contenders. But all of those teams
I think have bigger question marks than the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Yeah, the all the schedule things you just brought up,
and then remembering the coordinator things, that's enough for me
to not say the Lions are favorite. It's the got
I mean the Eagles obviously right now look like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Yeah, I don't think anybody wants to see the Eagles
one seed and have to go to Philadelphia January. I
think that's a Yeah, it looks tough.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
It's gonna be fun. Remember, not everybody that made it
last year makes the playoffs this year. It's just it's
just how it always works. So it's a lot of
these teams that were looking at and it's like, how
could they possibly lose? They're not going to make the playoffs,
which is to me that's what makes the NFL fun
but and frustrating at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
But yeah, and yeah, that's what kind of again, those
schedule inconsistencies from year to year. Yeah, Like I don't
think I can't talk about that enough, just being an
NFC fan of the fact that that whole, the whole
division was buoyed by the NFC West and AFC South,
and the fact that both the Lions and Vikings went

(01:40:58):
seven and one against those those you know eight teams
like that led to the great records, and you know,
Commander's team, how are they going to look playing a
second place schedule versus a last place schedule. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
It's football, baby, and week one we've got this week,
We've got Eagles, Cowboys on Thursday night, Chargers Chiefs on Friday,
before that full slate on Sunday, and I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
I gotta wait. I gotta wait till Monday night though,
to see the Vikings Vikings. That's gonna be a.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Don't let the Bears, don't don't let the Bears start.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Want to know, I've been on the record of saying
that nothing like nothing will destroy my buying on the
season more than if the Vikings look that bad against
the Bears is.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
Being played Chicago. Don't lose the Bears week one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
So it's like that that's the one thing that's going
to be very, very strange. Some huge Vikings fan love Sundays.
I like them playing at that noon slot. Yep So,
Vikings Week one, Monday night football, Vikings Week two, Sunday
night football against the Falcons. Week three, they'll host the

(01:42:20):
Bengals at noon, but then they play their back to
back there Ireland and London games. So for weeks four
and five they'll be playing at nine thirty in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
That's a lot of change.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
And then they have a bye week.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
And then sometimes like people will say, like all of
the fluctuation and routine will be tough for a rookie
ish quarterback, right, but that might be good. He's constantly
having to like just focus and like that might be
actually the best way to start a season. Don't get
caught routine and then it changes. Yeah what I it
just always changes. That's your routine now. But that's actually

(01:42:54):
not bad that bad thing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Yeah, this is where I can talk myself out of
the Vikings though, because I'm like that that's a that's
a that's a tough schedule, you know at the beginning,
but that's probably their easiest stretch because when they come back,
they have the Eagles and Ravens back to back and
then the Lions and the Packers, and it's just like
there's like a four weeks from hell in there. So
it's just like if you guys start two and three
or god forbid one and four, like it's it's gonna

(01:43:20):
be a long process to get it righted.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Yeah, well it all starts this week. Eric, Thanks for
your breakdown.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
We did it. We talked football for good three hours
in the two episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
This was a marathon session.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
This was a good one. You can hear all the
Dallas episode one on one, the AFC from on Laugh
with Me. You can hear all.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
The NFC.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Just this episode one oh two, and you can also
hear each individual division on the Bottom five podcast feet
So this was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
I really hope, from the bottom of my heart, like
I hope that you don't invite me on the bottom
five to talk vikings.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Can all right, here's my promise to you. I will
only invite you on the bottom five if the vikings
are going to be on it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
How about that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
Either for you to defend why there shouldn't be or
why they should be.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
That could be a three hour podcasts in itself.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
That'll be fun. Yeah, absolutely all right. You can find
you can find us on any of the social Instagram
x Facebook, YouTube, laugh at Me podcast you can. You
can listen to the shows on YouTube, Spotify and Apple.
And don't forget, we've got the animated series laugh with Me.

(01:44:53):
The animated series is coming very soon. That you got
to described to our YouTube page and uh, it's gonna
be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
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